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Ding Dong the Wicked Witch Is Dead

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Written by Richard Kane   
Tuesday, 24 May 2011 23:58


I was intrigued by the title comparing of bin Laden with a Wicked Witch. The idea of bin Laden casting spells suddenly intrigued me. I am considered very inconsistent by both opposing capital punishment in all cases, yet supporting the exuberance at Ground Zero following bin Laden's death, though I would have cheered louder under certain circumstances if bin Laden had remained alive. The idea of war and peace having something to do with good and evil spells gives me new insight. That good karma spreads and bad karma spreads, like waves in a pound, I believe, but never dealt with before.

Everyone agrees that the worldwide celebrating when the Chilean miners were rescued was only for the good, but World War II's end was in part celebrated by drunken sailors ending up fighting with each other. I fully support the squirting of champagne.

Michael Moore in his important in depth remarks, said Hitler's death wasn't celebrated, however neither was earlier reports of bin Laden's demise. What if Hitler was killed, with his mistress and her family watching and verifying it to the world? Interestingly, I can't remember anyone cheering when there was a picture of the captured Saddam with a thermometer in his mouth, nor during the lynch-mob type trial and execution of Saddam where the anger didn't change to applause as the body fell. Cheering is more evident when a courtroom verdict is read than when an executioner pulls the switch. Cheering as someone dies is very rare except that one jingle about the wicked witch.

Bin Laden had reality booby-trapped where every time an al Qaeda member committed suicide rather than captured it was victory. Think of (compared to the massive haul when bin Laden was discovered) the small bits of information an al Qaeda member protected by (in the reality they created) �heroically� crashing a bomb-loaded truck into a US military base gate in Britain. To me the bad karma is not the cheering at Ground Zero but the hindsight interpretation that the major reason for the cheering was that a bad man was shot in the head.

It was amazing that bin Laden's plans to have the the CIA claim that he was unarmed and not booby-trapped, to make his follower think of it as the last final insult to a dead martyr, but the helicopter crash clearly gave him plenty of warning.

Come on all you glum peace activists, who used to cheer every inch toward peace, even as with Gandhi and Martin Luther King, negotiated with leaders in pursuit of peace. Far more recently, a peace group met with the then head of Pakistan, but today peace websites and publications are ignoring Afghan President Karzi's calls for mediators,
http://www.peaceproposal.com/power4.html
India is a rare exception,
http://tribune.com.pk/story/167929/indian-pm-backs-afghan-peace-talks/

Think of all the antiwar cheering, if in late April, Armed Service Committee head Carl Levin said some event made it easier for us to get out of Afghanistan. This then followed by Rep. Cliff Stearms, who was a firm hawk, sudden opposed the Afghan War,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/cliff-stearns-bin-laden-afghanistan_n_857630.html

Come on now, bin Laden's evil spell is broken. Since bin Laden left computer and other documentation lying around, we don't need to argue over whether the only way to get information is canceling civil liberties. A follower would be canned for such a mess. Bin Laden claimed that the only way non-Westerners could prevent their culture from being insulted, slandered and overwhelmed by the West is by a policy of total ruthlessness. I thank the Arab spring, President Obama's patience, and the amazing helicopter crash where no one was hurt and changed reality around in a significant way.

The Navy Seals couldn't come in through the windows due to a helicopter crash. Let's cheer that they risked what looked like almost certain death when they run up the long entrance way that seemed like it was designed to be flooded with gasoline. Thank you America to consider it is better to risk a Navy Seals life preventing innocent children from being hurt, than to attack from the terminal of a computer desk, with a drone.

If bin Laden were kept alive, and if that had lead to a new way of dealing with evildoers like the Nuremberg trials were supposed to do, I would cheer even louder. If bin Laden kept alive would mean in the future the US would attempt to replace drone strikes with arrest attempts. And if such attempts spread elsewhere. Such as if French and Qatar Navy Seals attempted to take Gadhafi alive with the help of percussion grenades, like the Spanish police tried with the Madrid commuter-train masterminds, who promptly blew themselves up killing a Spanish police officer in the process. The attack by France and Qatar could be immediately followed by a US warning that if the arresting officers all die, or were held for ransom, US cruse missiles would follow. If Qadhafi tried to avoid killing them while avoiding capture, even better. I would cheer the new universe that was beginning to unfold.

However if bin Laden kept temporarily alive led to nothing new, a lynch-mob styled trial as with Saddam, and 9/11 victims in further pain by arguing with each other over how bin Laden's punishment should proceed, I cheer this scenario did not follow his apprehension.

Near the end of World War II, US GIs were amazed to see Germans cheering. Some when the war ended packed their bags and headed home. Instead of being held for insubordination, the orders to stay for a while were changed. If the Taliban felt secure enough, they could declare a unilateral cease-fire and see if US war-heroes would be held for mutiny.

Ironically in and near Abbottabad where bin Laden was hiding all these years, bin Laden didn't sponsor creative terror attacks that might lead to any house to house searches. In fact he didn't direct much in the non-tribal areas of Pakistan in order to not tip off where he was hiding. So ironically the one area of the world where al Qaeda doesn�t have to watch their backs is anywhere near where he was hiding. His wife said they were in or near Abbottabad since 2001, meaning the 2005 video tricked the US as bin Laden sicked the US on to tribal Pakistan. He probably taped the 2001 video in front of a cave, then headed for urban Pakistan before releasing it. Obama thank you for your patience. Please give all detainees probational amnesty, Put a listening bracelet around their necks, and a tracking harness around their ankles and a siren that goes off when the two alarms are over six feet apart, and then let them out of custody.

Wars all over the world end in negotiations except wars the US fought, with the UN nominally in charge, the Korean War armistice didn't give negotiations a good name. The peace movement needs to respond to Afghan President Karzai's call for negotiators. Ask Karzai, Obama and the Taliban to state their minimum war demands. Hamad Karzai had asked the Saudis to mediate between his government and the Taliban, but the Saudis demanded that the Taliban denounce bin Laden before they would get involved, who is again looking into the matter? However real movement to encourage peace in Afghanistan is occurring in India,
http://tribune.com.pk/story/167929/indian-pm-backs-afghan-peace-talks/

In the past US Congressional reps. went to Syria and other countries to talk peace. A Congressional Bill demanding minimum goals be announced before any more funds are appropriated would make more sense than the current no more funding in six months bill.

For a change, if the US conspirator theorists are right, it would be good news as well. I am intrigued by the possibility of trains being derailed was a plot actually hatched by the CIA. Imagine an al Qaeda bragging about not getting caught when it turned out that freight trains, with a cadaver at the controls. I I would cheer a conspiracy where President Obama was quietly watching them since he became President, quietly placing listening devices everywhere they went until there was no way to stop the overthrow of the Yemeni government without being exposed. If freight trains kept derailing in the name of national security I would say brilliant, a much better idea than in the name of national security Churchill letting Coventry burn, so as not to tip off the Nazis that the West was listening to their secret code correspondence. Or Roosevelt letting Peal Harbor be a surprise to the sailors there so the Japanese could note that the aircraft carriers they were after were missing and call off their invasion of Hawaii at the last moment.

Today it's good news at every level including conspiracy theory!

The accusations that Obama and the Seals killed a helpless old man further breaks the spell that bin Laden was a Rambo character. A relative threatening to sue in US courts contrasts al Qaeda diehards at Guantanamo never asking for a bourgeois western decadent civil liberties. I wish the peace movement would cheer Chris Stearns peace statements, but the good karma is so overwhelming that this may end up good news as well, if only one former public hawk whether Bush, McChrystal, Rumfield, or Rice asked for sensible limited goals in Afghanistan the amazing karma could spread further.

Not long after the USSR left Afghanistan, warlords fighting led to a greater death-rate, then during the Soviet attacks. Limited goals might be better opportunities toward peace than US troops just suddenly leaving. One of the former hawks could suggest a US demand only that the Taliban leave Kabul alone, only slowly assuming jurisdiction like China is slowly still doing in Hong Kong. With Chinese peace keepers at the city of Kabul's borders. The Taliban could answer they want compensation as well or perhaps rent, and if savvy say no compensation necessary if Iranian, not Chinese, peacekeepers guarantee the peace.

The US may suddenly remember that it gives a small stipend to the relatives of an Taliban tribal leader who was urging the rest of the Taliban to accept negotiations until he was mistakenly bombed as a terrorist, and is giving a lot of blood money to the relatives of robbers shot by a CIA contact, and the US might on its own look around for other people who would never have been targeted if the US had prior knowledge that bin Laden was nowhere near by.

President Lincoln lessened the wounds of the Civil War by granting mass pardons. If the incredible lack of terror continues in the US and Europe, the US needs to grant probational amnesty to all, implanting listening devices not torture. The UN could accept Gadhafi's lying peace proposals if he would wear listening monitoring devices. Some day soon John Lennon's �Imagine No more War� may follow the National Anthem at sports events with people calling John Lennon a predictor of the future. There is no sign that the march toward bankruptcy and currency collapse from too much military spending is over, except gold and silver value as a hedge against currency collapse is constantly dropping in value. Incredibly silver now has only utility value.

Again Bin Laden as a supper smart Charles Manson implanting Helter Skelter on this planet made one mistake, he never expected the US to get him in such a way that the people he inspired would think he didn't have murder-suicide devices. Thank you again Arab spring, Obama, karma and blind luck.

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+23 # RMDC 2014-12-23 13:42
While I agree that we don't want dead cops, it is also true that a cop who goes to prison for shooting a black kid will not live very long. So he'll probably a dead cop anyway. Still I think the cops who kill African Americans should go to prison and take their chances.
 
 
0 # backwards_cinderella 2014-12-24 05:13
you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
 
 
+10 # Radscal 2014-12-24 14:53
I agree that murderous cops should go to prison, but I wonder about your presumption of their fate. Do you have any evidence that police officers who serve time in prison are likely to be killed?

In all of the cases I could find of cops being convicted and sent to prison for murder, the victim was white. But none of them were killed in prison.
 
 
-1 # Chop chop 2014-12-26 06:40
http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/24/how-liberals-put-black-america
 
 
+36 # PABLO DIABLO 2014-12-23 14:12
THANK YOU Carl for a reasoned plea. We are ALL in this together. We need NOT fight each other.
 
 
+28 # ljslotnick 2014-12-23 14:20
Would the editors of the NYC tabloids even consider printing a piece like this...or an abbreviated version. Would the Times even consider?
 
 
+19 # dyannne 2014-12-23 16:40
Thank you, Carl. My hope is that your voice and those like you - I have heard others on NPR make similar arguments - will be heard by those who are operating right now on thought-less gut reactions. I have a friend on FB, normally a reasoned person, but she lives in NYC and she is not thinking straight on this issue. It feels like those like her are inciting themselves into a frenzy. They can't see the reality of the situation because they are so upset. And on and on it goes. Hopefully, they will calm down soon and listen to reason, which is the only way we're going to survive this.
 
 
-33 # lewagner 2014-12-23 19:41
Still "Sandy Hook".
Nobody will do any research on it, just keep on quoting Anderson Cooper and the grinning -- excuse me, GRIEVING -- parents about "Sandy Hook".
It's just sickening.
 
 
-33 # futhark 2014-12-23 21:48
Thank you lewagner. The whole Sandy Hook incident appears to have been a hoax perpetrated on the American people. Investigate it yourself. No one died there. The officials were all wearing color-coded FEMA tags. Someone ordered Port-A-Potties delivered in advance to the school. There were signs on campus directing the participants to sign in. Many of the same "witnesses" appeared on CNN weeks later as "witnesses" to the Boston Marathon bombing under different names. Find out what professional school safety and security expert Wolfgang Halbig has to say about this incident.

http://www.sandyhookjustice.com/

You can't rely on government officials or propaganda organs like CNN to be telling the truth since 9/11 and Saddam Hussein's WMDs. They have an agenda and it is not in the best interests of your liberty, truth, or justice to accept uncritically the version of events they are propagating.
 
 
+19 # Working Class 2014-12-24 12:43
You are one sick puppy Futhark. You are reading and listening to sources of information who have you feeding off your own feeling of insecurity. There are real kids who died at Sandy Hook and by the way we have had 42 school shooting this year alone in the US. Just for the record I am a gun owner and avid shooter, so I am not anti-gun. I am pro-mental health. Get yours checked.
 
 
+13 # Radscal 2014-12-24 15:04
I don't claim to know what all really transpired in the Sandy Hook case. One thing that has troubled me since the day of the tragic event was that the police never permitted EMTs to enter the school.

My wife was a pediatric critical care nurse in Oakland, CA for almost 2 decades, and the thought of all those children, shot and bleeding out without any emergency medical professionals being permitted to try to save some is both heartbreaking and shocking.

Finally, more than an hour after police knew the shooter was dead, the Medical Examiner's Staff went in and simply declared each and every one of them dead.

The police knew the shooter was dead within 10 minutes of first arriving on the scene. The school was taken off lockdown and the children allegedly evacuated within a half hour. And yet, medical workers were not granted access.

That is troubling, especially to anyone who has experience in emergency medical care.
 
 
+6 # Buddha 2014-12-24 16:55
As someone with training in emergency care, you should know that in cases like this, EMTs and paramedics are not allowed into the scene until the area has been deemed to be secure of further threat. Police knew a shooter was down, but still have to secure the area in case there may be multiple shooters. In the meantime, wounded themselves were evacuated to receive medical care. Why do Americans always put on the tinfoil hats?
 
 
+7 # Radscal 2014-12-24 19:16
As I wrote, it's my wife who has that training and experience, not me.

The police considered the scene secure enough to let hundreds of children walk down the halls, out of the building, through the parking lot and down the street, and yet refused to let medical staff in.

At the Aurora Theater scene, EMTs were allowed in even while the police were searching for the shooter's accomplice that many witness/survivo rs reported seeing.

For that matter, why are there no photos or videos of these hundreds of children walking to the Fire Station?

We all saw the one famous photo of a dozen or so kids in the parking lot, but that's all.

"Why do Americans always" believe whatever the corporate media tell them to believe?
 
 
+5 # lewagner 2014-12-24 19:39
""Why do Americans always" believe whatever the corporate mediate tells them to believe?"

Thank you!
I have another question. Why do so many of these comments sections have comment rating numbers that don't show how many pluses and minuses, but only the running total?
 
 
-2 # Radscal 2014-12-24 20:44
Yeah, what's up with this change to only showing either the up votes or the sum of ups and downs?
 
 
-4 # lewagner 2014-12-24 19:36
They tore the building down, and EMT's and paramedics had STILL not been allowed into the building. The very name of the company that did the hazardous material cleanup of all the gallons of blood is secret information, for Christ's sake. Why do Americans always believe the ridiculous government stories?? Do you even know that Anderson Cooper worked/works for the CIA? Read his Wikipedia page.
 
 
+2 # skylinefirepest 2014-12-24 23:32
As a current medical responder and fireman in N.C. it is sog for some medical intervention as soon as a "small area of safety" is established...t o take hours to clear an area is not professional and costs us victims.
 
 
+4 # lewagner 2014-12-24 19:32
You do mental health diagnoses right over the Internet? And you saw the "real kids" who died at Sandy Hook right on your TV. Get your own mental health checked, dude.
 
 
+23 # fredboy 2014-12-23 19:54
The NYPD press conference was disgraceful.

Totally ignoring the police gang murder of an innocent, unarmed man who was not breaking the law--and the fixed grand jury that refused to indict the killer cops.

And ignoring that raging injustice could set off extreme anger.

When the grand jury refused to act, I knew they were going to get cops hurt or killed. And they did.

Time to face the music. Bad cops have ignited national rage.

And NYPD and Giuliani, don't castigate the public or protestors as the enemy. You are just making the situation worse--and shredding any semblance of respect we once had for you.
 
 
-14 # The Buffalo Guy 2014-12-23 21:39
Quoting fredboy:
The NYPD press conference was disgraceful.

Totally ignoring the police gang murder of an innocent, unarmed man who was not breaking the law--and the fixed grand jury that refused to indict the killer cops.

And ignoring that raging injustice could set off extreme anger.

When the grand jury refused to act, I knew they were going to get cops hurt or killed. And they did.


fredboy, your posting is a good example of what our problem is in this country.In the 2nd paragraph you say he wasn't breaking te law but he had multiple priors for the same infraction...se lling loosies. And for the grand jury to act, they would had to find them at fault and they didn't.
Then you call it a raging injustice. Well if you start with that extreme anger, and the grand jury didn't, it follows that you would presume injustice and would only see what you wanted to see. And calling it racism stokes the flames even higher. I could ask why there isn't any uproar over Dillon Taylor, an unarmed white boy shot & killed by a black cop in Utah. That cop wasn't indicted either. The real problem isn't race but that we put guns in the hands of cops and depend on them to keep the law using their own judgement. You can mitigate this problem but it will not disappear because of the poor gun control in this country. And cops don't take chances. I remember a plumber being shot & killed by police when he crawled out from under a house where he was working. OOPS wrong guy.
 
 
+17 # Buddha 2014-12-24 17:04
And your post really shows what is wrong with America, total ignorance combined with certainty you know what you are talking about. No, a grand jury's responsibility isn't to determine "fault" or guilt, it is to determine if there is enough evidence to warrant the case being brought to trial, a very low bar to be met provided you have a DA who wants the case to go to trial and a grand jury that takes their responsibility seriously. This is why something like 99.9% of cases a DA takes to Grand Jury get that indictment, as has been said before a DA if he wants can indict a ham sandwich. But what we see in Ferguson and NYC and Ohio, over and over across America, is how DAs DON'T want cases against their colleagues the police to go to trial, and how easy it is to fix the Grand Jury process to achieve that constant exoneration of police.
 
 
-12 # arquebus 2014-12-24 17:45
If the innocent man you refer to was Garner, he was breaking the law...he was resisting arrest. Last I looked, that is illegal. If the arrest is not valid, the place to resolve that is in court not the street.
 
 
+13 # lewagner 2014-12-24 19:41
He was talking back. That is not an offense to be summarily executed for, except maybe in Nazi Germany or the old USSR. Or in modern day America.
My father fought against fascism in WWII. I'm sure as hell not going to start supporting it now.
 
 
-1 # ctcarole 2014-12-24 11:12
We need to be careful when we use the word "justice." Many, or even most, of those protesting and calling for justice are really calling for conviction and punishment. The grand juries that have heard evidence and called police justified in this recent spate of killings felt they were giving justice. If Darren Wilson, for instance, went to trial and was found innocent, would protesters consider that justice? When George Zimmerman was found innocent at trial, did that satisfy protesters? Let protesters stop asking for justice and start demanding conviction. At least their intention will be clear. Justice is in the eye of the beholder. Conviction and punishment aren't.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2014-12-24 15:15
Had there been actual trials where the physical evidence and witness testimonies would have been analyzed critically, then we'd know how the public would have responded.

Since there weren't, you're just hyping your fantasy.

These are not a "recent spate of killings." I find no evidence that the rate of police killing people (specifically black males) has increased this year. For some reason, the corporate media has made them "news" this year, and that is an interesting phenomena.

The Zimmerman case was not a police killing. Still, though many of us feel that the case was bungled, and justice was not served, there were not the types of protests you berate after the verdict.
 
 
-1 # ctcarole 2014-12-24 16:01
Radscal,

I agree with your comments about actual trials but disagree that people would be satisfied with anything other than conviction. I brought up the Zimmerman case because protesters are still calling it no justice (as you just did). I'm not sure what you mean by "hyping my fantasy." All I said was that people are calling for justice but will not be satisfied with anything less than conviction and they should say what they mean.
 
 
+1 # Radscal 2014-12-24 16:04
I didn't pretend to know how people would have responded had there been trials. You are the one who writes what you imagine would have happened to be factually evident.

That is hyping your fantasy.
 
 
+7 # loveandfeeling 2014-12-24 12:49
Excellent article. Truly articulates the feelings I have had over the weeks since the protests have started. Really points out the double standard of law enforcement and tries to help them and their supporters make the connection between themselves and those seeking justice. Well done.
 
 
+3 # a1231321o 2014-12-24 17:19
The police have tasers, mace and guns to disable or maim an unarmed suspect. If they shoot to kill an unarmed suspect, then they are willfully and consciously committing murder. Police do not have to shoot to kill just take out their knee caps then what are they going to do?
 
 
-7 # arquebus 2014-12-24 17:50
You've seen too many movies. Bet you even believe that one shot from a pistol will send the target flying across the room. Sometime get a toy pistol and let someone just walk rapidly across a room...see how well you do just keeping the sights on his knee.
 
 
+10 # lfeuille 2014-12-24 17:51
Quoting a1231321o:
The police have tasers, mace and guns to disable or maim an unarmed suspect. If they shoot to kill an unarmed suspect, then they are willfully and consciously committing murder. Police do not have to shoot to kill just take out their knee caps then what are they going to do?


They are trained to shot and kill. I think it is time to reevaluate that training along with teaching them not to draw their gun unnecessarily. If they are too scared to be in their assigned location without a gun in hand, they should not be cops.
 
 
0 # Floe 2014-12-25 17:34
There should be a total retraction by the NYPD on the stated wartime revenge they have deigned in the aftermath of the two NYPD shootings. They should be considered enemies of the people until that occurs.
 
 
-2 # Floe 2014-12-25 17:37
Isn't it always progressive leaders that are assassinated? I can't recall ever hearing of a Conservative getting assassinated. Cops are Conservative but I'm referring to leaders.
 
 
-1 # banichi 2014-12-25 18:09
Thank you for this article. I have been watching the news and the positional arguments on all sides with little hope that a sane voice would speak up - but maybe it would eventually. So again, thank you.

The roots of the problems here go back generations, not months, and tracing those roots would take more time and space than is allowed here. It comes from the divisiveness inherent in the 'us versus them' that is the core of the issues at this time. And the disintegration of the application of the law even handedly to all citizens, regardless of color or economic status.

What most of the people are missing, who line up with the position that the police are justified in shooting blacks - or anyone, for that matter - when they are unarmed, is that they are afraid of the real possibility that if this 'us versus them' mentality continues, it will not neglect them, either. They won't be immune to such sanctioned violence. This is the potential end result of the degradation of our rights under the Constitution and Bill or Rights. These rights of citizens apply to all of us; white, black, anyone - or they can be abrogated at will by anyone who has been given the power to do so. As the police are who swore their oaths to 'defend and protect'; as the NSA, CIA, FBI, SCOTUS, Congress, and the Administration swore the same oaths.

This divisiveness enhanced by 'security' excuses that override the oaths, will destroy our democracy. Is doing so. Remember.
 
 
-2 # Sage 2014-12-25 19:31
 
 
+1 # Chop chop 2014-12-26 06:39
http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/24/how-liberals-put-black-america
 
 
+1 # banichi 2014-12-26 14:23
Quoting Chop chop:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/24/how-liberals-put-black-america


Wow. Ugly. But reality of history often looks that way when brought into the present.

And who was it that first said that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it?

Any aliens who show up in invisible starships to assess humanity's suitability to be allowed out into the rest of the galaxy would most likely conclude that we should be contained on this one planet to see if we manage to avoid self-destructio n from sheer willful stupidity. That's assuming such aliens don't have a vested interest in helping us along to said self-destructio n. Who knows?
 
 
-1 # RICHARDKANEpa 2014-12-27 01:37
I'm glad for your first paragraph. However everyone is leaving out that that the Sandy Hook murderer was enslaved day and night by the video game Call of Duty and so was the school murderer in France and the attacker of the Youth Camp in Norway.

Also must cops are veterans taught to shoot first and think later in Basic Training video games
 
 
0 # rradiof 2014-12-28 20:44
Hot town. Pigs in the streets. But, the streets belong to the people. Dig it! Over and out.
 

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