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Sanders writes: "The American people should not be fooled by the misinformation that will be spread at these 'grassroots' gatherings backed by some of the most powerful Wall Street, insurance, and corporate CEOs in the country."

Senator Bernie Sanders is interviewed by a Reuters reporter, 11/28/06. (photo: Reuters)
Senator Bernie Sanders is interviewed by a Reuters reporter, 11/28/06. (photo: Reuters)


Don't Let Wall Street Billionaires Destroy Social Security

By Sen. Bernie Sanders, Reader Supported News

08 September 12

 

eptember 7 is an important date for New Hampshire. On that day, Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson will kick-off his 2012 national campaign to cut Social Security and other vitally important programs with a "town meeting" with a town meeting at St. Anselm's College in Manchester at 5 p.m.

The American people should not be fooled by the misinformation that will be spread at these "grassroots" gatherings backed by some of the most powerful Wall Street, insurance, and corporate CEOs in the country.

The goal of these "town meetings" is to convince the people of New Hampshire and the rest of America that the only effective way to address the deficit crisis is to balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, the children the sick and the poor.

Don't believe it!

First, let us never forget how we got into our current deficit crisis.

In January of 2001, when Bill Clinton left office, this country was enjoying a very healthy $236 billion SURPLUS projected to increase in the coming years.

Under President George W. Bush and his fellow "deficit hawks," the United States went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and "forgot" to pay for the wars which will end up adding some $3 trillion to our national debt.

Under George W. Bush and his fellow "deficit hawks," the wealthiest people in this country were given huge tax breaks which cost $1 trillion over a 10-year period. There was no offset for those tax breaks. They were simply added to the deficit.

Under George W. Bush and his fellow "deficit hawks," an overly-expensive Medicare prescription drug program written by the insurance and drug companies was signed into law. This program, which explicitly prevented the government from negotiating lower drug prices with the pharmaceutical industry, was not paid for and will end up adding some $400 billion to our national debt over a 10-year period.

Now, having run up huge deficits, our born-again "deficit hawks," on behalf of their billionaire allies, want to cut Social Security to save money.

What's wrong with this picture? First, despite Wall Street and right-wing misleading rhetoric, Social Security, which is funded by the payroll tax, has not contributed one nickel to the deficit. Second, the Social Security Trust Fund today, according to the Social Security Administration, has a $2.7 trillion surplus and can pay 100 percent of all benefits owed to every eligible American for the next 21 years.

Why should we vigorously defend Social Security, prevent any cuts and, in fact, make sure Social Security is solvent for the next 75 years? The answer is obvious. In these highly volatile economic times, when millions of Americans lost their life savings in the 2008 Wall Street crash, Social Security, through good economic times and bad, has paid out every penny owed to every eligible beneficiary. In other words, it is a guaranteed benefit and that promise has always been kept.

In the 77 years since President Franklin Roosevelt signed Social Security into law on August 14, 1935, the retirement and insurance program has been one of the nation's most successful anti-poverty programs. Before Social Security existed, about half of America's senior citizens lived in poverty. Today, less than 10 percent live in poverty. Further, Social Security provides much-needed assistance to people with disabilities as well as widows, widowers and orphans.

Let's be clear. The deficit and national debt are serious issues, but we must not balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor. This would not only be immoral, it would be bad economic policy.

While our billionaire friends may not like them, there are much fairer ways to reduce the deficit. At a time when the wealthiest people in this country are doing phenomenally well and their effective tax rate is the lowest in decades, the top 1 percent must begin paying their fair share of taxes. At a time when large corporations are enjoying record-breaking profits, we have got to eliminate the huge corporate loopholes which result in a massive loss of federal revenue. At a time when we have tripled military spending since 1997, we must take a hard look at a bloated and wasteful Defense Department.

To keep Social Security's finances sound in the future I have introduced legislation - identical to a proposal that President Obama advocated in 2008 - to apply the payroll tax on incomes above $250,000 a year. Under current law, only earnings up to $110,100 are taxed. The Center for Economic Policy and Research has estimated that applying the Social Security payroll tax on income above $250,000 would only impact the wealthiest 1.4 percent of wage earners.

While we often take Social Security for granted, we must not forget that Social Security today is providing dignity and security to tens of millions of Americans at very modest administrative cost. It is a program that is working and working well.

Now is the time to defend Social Security against billionaires, right-wing Republicans, and some Democrats who want to cut this program. Let's send them that message in New Hampshire on September 7.

 

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+38 # MidwestTom 2012-09-08 20:13
According to Dr.Spellman, an economics professor at University of Texas (the Spellaan Report), the first two QE's failed because the money went to the banks, and they simply kept it and invested it. In his latest newsletter he suggests that "helicopter" money, which is sent directly to the citizens is the only way to restart the economy.

I would think that one of the best ways to achieve that wold be to increase SS payments. We are simply creating the mony anyway, and feed ing to the bankers is just plain wrong.
 
 
+23 # mdhome 2012-09-09 05:25
I don't often agree with Midwest Tom, but there is some logic in that, an increase in SS would get fed directly into the economy instead of hoarded outside of it.
 
 
+8 # charsjcca 2012-09-09 05:36
Tom: I suggested to the Obama group that we need a Domestic Marshall Plan. What heard Thursday was that we need to fix the middle-class. Not everyone in America is middle-class, have never been. So what is to happen to those under-served. The infusion of cash into that sector is the answer. I am convinced that the Obama administration does not know how to embrace those who have been characterized as under-privilege d. They only understand the concept of 'best and brightest' which is nothing more than an elitist propaganda campaign.
 
 
+18 # Celeste 2012-09-09 10:23
Essentially, although the 2008 bailout was "sold" to the American public at the bargain price of $700 billion, through covert forms of Qualitative Easements, something closer to several trillion dollars actually changed hands.

With those obscene sums, every under-water mortgage could have become a national asset with homeowners allowed to remain in their homes (thus maintaining home values, across the board while also securing a property tax base). My point is that the bailout should have transferred all that valuable real estate and established it as part of a national asset bank. Instead, the banks got the $ AND the real estate and everyone else is left to pick up the tab. First, through the actual money delivered to the very culprits who engineered the bubble, and second, in the form of diminished home values. And STILL this ilk thirsts for more blood.

By creating (courtesy of Koch Brothers think tank logic) the illusion that Social Security is broke, a pretense is put in place that calls for agencies of correction. This is precisely the approach used to gut the U.S. post office and privatize its considerable assets. A similar approach is being directed at public schools.

As recent articles by Matt Taibbi expose, the ethos of the hostile takeover is operating on Steroids. Any PR used to dress up the grand heists is like passing out cognitive Opium to the naive masses.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-09-09 17:05
WELL SAID!
 
 
0 # SOF 2012-09-12 13:29
New report about foreclosures: http://www.nationofchange.org/report-blames-big-banks-800000-preventable-foreclosures-1347456250
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-11 11:53
Quoting MidwestTom:
According to Dr.Spellman, an economics professor at University of Texas (the Spellaan Report), the first two QE's failed because the money went to the banks, and they simply kept it and invested it. In his latest newsletter he suggests that "helicopter" money, which is sent directly to the citizens is the only way to restart the economy.

I would think that one of the best ways to achieve that wold be to increase SS payments. We are simply creating the mony anyway, and feed ing to the bankers is just plain wrong.


The problem, Midwest Tom, is not that we are "creating money" but rather that we are creating money as debt instead of printing it debt free (as, for example, Lincoln did during the Civil War or the colonies did prior to the American Revolution). Unfortunately we have given up control over the money supply to the private banks so that all money at this point is essentially created as gov't debt (issuing treasury bonds which are IOU's and thus create debt -- principle and interest). The answer is to create genuinely publicly owned financial institutions and have the federal government take back the power to issue money debt free. In fact, instead of loaning the banks more than the total amount of the current US debt the government could have used this money to pay off the debt in its entirety which would immediately save us nearly 1/2 a trillion dollars in interest payments every year.
 
 
+34 # ganymede 2012-09-08 20:23
Thank you, as usual, Bernie. Attempting to dismantle Social Security will definitely be the straw to break the camel's back. There will be a revolution fo seniors. Fortunately, the Republicans are going down to ignominious defeat this November, and the political climate is going to be almost forever altered. This is the last gasp of the corporationists and their frightened, slavish, low information and quite ofter, racist followers. The second four years are not going to be like the first four frustrating years - the rightwingers are going to get off our backs and be sent into exile for four years or until they evolve into normal human beings.
 
 
+11 # szq5777 2012-09-09 05:05
ganymede:
HEAR!HEAR!Well said!
 
 
+23 # robniel 2012-09-09 07:14
I'm a long way from Vermont, but I like what Bernie Sanders stands for and have contributed to his re-election campaign.
 
 
+9 # warkovision 2012-09-09 14:02
Quoting robniel:
I'm a long way from Vermont, but I like what Bernie Sanders stands for and have contributed to his re-election campaign.

I'm just a lowly free lance musician and way away from Vermont too and I contribute to Bernie as well because I feel like Thom Hartmann that Senator Sanders is America's senator. Weneed more like him.
 
 
+11 # Independentgal 2012-09-09 07:54
They'll have to be sent into exile for more than four years. It probably takes a while for brainwashing to be cured -- and it's those folks who keep the right wing in charge.
 
 
+2 # Celeste 2012-09-09 10:24
I wish I could support your Utopian vision.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-09-09 16:53
As of today, the republicans are projected to easily keep control fo the House, and will probably win back the Senate with a majority of about 52 votes. Repugs with 52 votes will be a lot more productive for right-wing loony ideas than Democrats ever could have with the 60 votes they had 4 years ago.

I expect to see right-wing bill after right-wing bill quickly passed through both Houses of Congress constantly, and the only thing preventing those bills from becoming law will be IF Obama is in the White House and IF he's willing to stand in their way and use his veto pen.

Otherwise, as wildly unpopular as conservative ideology is right now, don't be surprised if, once again, the right-wing neo-nazis get every single thing they want for the next few years.
 
 
+1 # Observer 47 2012-09-09 20:59
Sadly, I believe that your scenario is the much more likely one.
 
 
0 # Celeste 2012-09-10 10:46
It makes one hope for climate upheaval as a form of salvation! Seems like it's that or a backwards march into a Christian Theocracy given that 50 million are committed to End Times and/or a Holy War in the Middle East.

P.S. Thank you for the earlier "Nod."
 
 
+33 # angelfish 2012-09-08 20:35
Let's send them the message on November 6th! We will NOT go back, we will NOT surrender our Freedom to Choose, we will NOT turn this Country over to the Gazillionaires who want to run it like their own, private Cash Cow! The Free Ride is OVER for the Mega-Wealthy! Register! Help Family, Friends and Acquaintances to do the same, GET appropriate I.D. for your State, and GET to the Polls on Election Day! Oh yes, and never, EVER vote ReTHUGlican!
 
 
+7 # lollie 2012-09-09 07:24
I would vote twice if I could. But that would be voter fraud.But, thanks, well said and true.
 
 
+32 # X Dane 2012-09-08 21:05
I hope people do not fall for these snake oil salesmen. Bush tried. I hope we are ALL wiser.
We certainly need to work at saving medicare, and it will NOT be easy. We must have some statesmen and women, preferably retired so they are not beholden to any moneyed interests. They should A S A P get to work on solving that problem.

But NO way should Wall Street be involved, and neither should Paul Ryan.
Keep him as far away from Medicare and Medicaid.. We need people with BRAINS AND HEARTS
 
 
+17 # James Marcus 2012-09-08 21:19
The 'Mis-informatio n' (accidental) has become, all too often, 'Dis-informatio n' (deliberate).
Between the two, we actually 'know' very little, these days. What is True, Actual, Real...is deliberately misrepresented, or obscured in clever ways, to influence the Public or prevent the Truth from being known.
...For good reason. Much of 'the Truth' is pathetic, reprehensible, malfeasant, embarrassing... ...
 
 
+11 # dick 2012-09-08 21:52
They do only what we LET them do. We have them outnumbered 309 million to a few thousand. We richly deserve anything we let them get away with. Young people & older people with SPINES are going to have to have a SHOWDOWN with that .001%. Obama has taught us that lying, cowardly, double dealing politicians will not do it for us. He issued Wall St. a Nixon pardon BEFORE his team's fake "investigation. " People still want to believe in liberal sounding politicians so they won't have to take risks, make sacrifices. But our Freedom Warriors in the Civil Rights Movement & the Feminist Movement & the Farmworkers Movement knew only they could MAKE it happen, come hell or high water. And it's harder now.
 
 
+4 # geohunt1 2012-09-09 08:13
#dick: So who are you going to vote for this year? I know it is two evils, and we have to choose one. Obama is evil because we still have Gitmo, we still have legalized torture, and on and on; but what would we have with Romney? At least as bad as Mussolini and Hitler fascism. So, #dick, who are you going to vote for this year?
 
 
+27 # Kiwikid 2012-09-08 21:59
So lets get this straight. The social security money is already there? Already in the bank? Guaranteed enough to last until 2034? And the superich want to dip into this to pay their bills? A bit like a parent breaking open their kid's piggy bank in which they've deposited their paper round earnings, to pay for their own drug habit. Have I go this right? How can this be?
 
 
-17 # Robert Cohen 2012-09-08 22:30
What Senator Sanders is saying about the so-called Social Security Trust Fund is misleading.

Athough the "Fund" nominally contains a large surplus, that collateral is in the form of bonds representing principal and interest that are owed to the government by itself.

That debt has been incurred because, in previous years, Social Security receipts from insurance payments always exceeded expenditures for benefits. So each year when there was a surplus, the excess income was borrowed and diverted to fund expenditures for unrelated government purposes. The government annually issued bonds -- often referred to as IOUs -- to the "Fund", equal to the amount borrowed that year, plus interest on the cumulative amount it had borrowed in previous years.

Nowadays, since Social Security annual expenditures are exceeding income from insurance payments, the "Fund" is experiencing a rising deficit, which has to be met by liquidating some of the bonds. The only way to liquidate the bonds -- backed only by the "full faith and credit of the United States" -- is through a combination of government borrowing from the public and use of available federal revenues. Doing so contributes to the federal deficit.

Thus the bonds are actually superfluous, since the government is both debtor and creditor. The situation is analogous to raiding one's piggy bank, spending the money, and issuing IOUs to oneself for the amount borrowed, plus interest..
 
 
+6 # Kiwikid 2012-09-09 10:18
Hang on a minute, Robert. Are you telling me that if I deposited with a bank over many years, and they lent out my money to other people, and when I came back and finally wanted to draw down my money and it wasn't there (because it had presumably gone to others who were more worthy) that I'm now plum out of luck and not really entitled to that money? Seems to be what you're saying. Have I got that right? If that is so, then Bernie Sanders is not being misleading at all - it is you who is trying to throw up the bull dust. Or are you living in an alternative universe where up is down, and wrong is right?
 
 
+4 # Robert Cohen 2012-09-09 14:21
Dear Kiwikid,

Thank you for writing. Please allow me to explain how a bank operates and how Social Security operates.

The federal government regulates banks, and guarantees the safety of deposits, up to a certain maximum. And the banks have to invest their deposits in a safe way, by requiring collateral. In contrast, Social Security, rather than having to invest any surplus premiums in low-risk collateralized investments, is legally able to immediately expend any surpluses for unrelated Treasury purposes.

If a bank employee or trustee were to allow diverting depositor funds to risky investments that are not collateralized, they could be prosecuted. Worse, if a bank employee were to divert investors' funds to his/her personal use, he/she could be prosecuted for embezzlement.

Yet Social Security trustees can legally borrow, then expend, rather than invest, Social Security funds, as Congress dictates, for unrelated federal spending. The only collateral or protection for those borrowings is the Social Security bonds, protected only by the "full faith and credit of the United States".

During the big fracas over the imminent need to raise the debt ceiling, Obama publicly warned that if Congress failed to raise the debt ceiling, Treasury would probably have to reduce current Social Security payment-checks. If there were really $2.7 trillion sitting around, there would be no danger that that could happen.
 
 
+9 # Kiwikid 2012-09-09 15:46
I understand, Robert. Thank you for further clarifying what I was coming to see. This only confirms how iniquitous your system is - it effectively allows Congress to steal from the fund to pay off other debts, to reduce already low taxes on the rich, and to bail out too-big-to fail banks. When the fund is exhausted its the intended beneficiaries, those who have paid the premiums over the years, who end up carrying the can. If anyone thinks this is high moral ground behaviour your country has a serious problem. Dipping into the fund in the first place should never have been allowed. As you suggest, no one else would be allowed to dip into trust funds in this way. Lawyers in my own country go to the wall for such behaviour. I wonder which politician in your country came up with that one? I'm sure they would argue that at the time they always intended to pay it back. They still need to. The American people need to ensure that those politicians who think they're under no obligation to do so will find themselves at the end of the dole queue after the next election.
 
 
+4 # Robert Cohen 2012-09-09 19:04
Dear Kiwikid,

Thank you for taking an interest in, and commenting on, the intriguing U.S. political system from down under.

To comment a bit further: Despite the odd way the Social Security system operates, it has up to now greatly benefited all parties, including workers who suffer health setbacks and retirees, especially the long-lived ones.

During most of its years, this system, akin to a Ponzi scheme, experienced annual surpluses, which have been a bonanza to the politicians. Those surpluses provided them with some spending money they could use to fund their favorite federal programs without having to raise taxes, reprogram existing revenues, or increase the deficit. Alas, this shell game is now over, and the politicians need to incur the pain of finding revenues to fund the growing annual deficits in Social Security, caused both by increasingly fewer workers per retiree as the population ages, and increasing longevity of retirees.

Sadly, the U.S. population is rather uninformed about what's going on, largely because of their being dumbed down, propagandized, and misinformed by the corporate media and by many politicians in Congress and the White House. The latter are being legally corrupted by money-in-politi cs, turning the USA into a corporatocracy. Their corruption is the central cause of why we have a dysfunctional Congress and for its inability to deal with pressing national issues on behalf of the 99%.
 
 
0 # SOF 2012-09-12 13:40
So we're saying that even tho there was objection and protest when SS fund was allowed to be used as General Fund, and the people were assured that SS Security money would be paid as any other debt, the guarantee for that was "The Faith and Credit of the United States" which actually means nothing.?!
 
 
+6 # Celeste 2012-09-09 10:32
Money itself is an illusion with its worth only as good as the credence persons place in it. Gold on the other hand, has held value for many centuries.

With big money purchasing the politicians (from both camps) who in turn gave a nod to deregulation (the decimation of Glass Steagall under Bill Clinton) and allowed the graft known as Derivatives & Swaps to spread to the point that it's now alleged that 40% of our nation's economy is vested in "Finance," money has indeed morphed into the GRAND illusion.

Because our government makes deals with the Fed to print money, you are correct that it acts as both debtor and creditor. As has been shown both by Ellen Brown and the Bank of North Dakota, were the government to work this arrangement with "itself," rather than through a private entity like the Fed, it would shore up a huge surplus in the form of interest $. Instead that profit goes to the privateers.

END THE FED!
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2012-09-11 12:00
Celeste, I am a huge fan of Ellen Brown who at this point is the leading public intellectual in the US on public banking and the money supply. Her book, Web of Debt should be widely read.

That having been said though, she has never called for a return to the gold standard and those that confuse the issue of ending the fed (with which i agree completely) and creating genuinely publicly-owned financial institutions and having the gov't take back the power to print money debt free has nothing to do with the gold standard which is simply a distraction.
 
 
0 # WestWinds 2012-09-08 22:52
No comment.
 
 
+40 # James Smith 2012-09-09 03:22
Another point is, if religions were not being given a free ride on taxes, it would be an additional 71 billion dollars annually of tax revenue. That would handle social security, the health care plan and pave a few roads, too.

I deeply resent having to subsidize religion by paying taxes they, like any other business, should be paying.
 
 
-16 # RightForAReason 2012-09-09 08:36
You honestly think 71 billion solves a 15 Trillion dollar problem? That is less than half of one percent. No doubt yet another fine math wizard from public schools.
 
 
+9 # Billy Bob 2012-09-09 17:02
Yeah, if we really want to lower the debt we need to cut military spending DRASTICALLY and RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH DRASTICALLY.

GOOD CALL. This time you're right for TWO reasons:

1. We need to gut military spending
2. We need to raise taxes on the rich a whole hell of a lot.

If we actually want to lower the national debt rather than just paying it lip service we MUST do both of those things.

Thanks!

P.S. You're right about 3 things! We need to spend A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT MORE on our public schools too!!!!

GOOD IDEAS!!!
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-09-11 12:04
Quoting RightForAReason:
You honestly think 71 billion solves a 15 Trillion dollar problem? That is less than half of one percent. No doubt yet another fine math wizard from public schools.


The Fed "lent" more than 15 Trillion to the private banksters (something only discovered due to Sanders and Kucinich pushing for Fed audit language being included in Dodd/Frank. Had this money been used to fully pay off (repurchase)the US debt we would now be saving more than 1/2 a trillion dollars a year in interest payments. We could then have used this money to reinvest in a huge national public works program to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and build a new 21st century one (including high speed rail, a "smartgrid", energy efficiency retrofits on all public buildings to start with, etc.) which would have put everyone back to work in the real, productive economy, and put us back on a progressive economic course.
 
 
0 # SOF 2012-09-12 13:56
It doesn't matter how small a part of the debt it is. The churches have become a problem. As the current flap over a movie ridiculing Islam proves. If religious institutions are contributing money to campaignes and preaching politics they not apolitical, and their income should be taxed. And/or they should play by rules and regulations demanded of other tax exempt institutions.
 
 
+13 # Celeste 2012-09-09 10:38
There are a number of compelling ideas in the Progressive ideological toolkit. The problem is that those with "the power" marginalize these solutions if they allow them to be made visible in media at all.

On the list:

1. Raise the Social Security cap to $250,000 as Bernie Sanders wisely suggests.

2. Add a Tobin (or Robin Hood) tax to Wall Street transactions

3. Penalize corporations that off-shore their profits or deploy disingenuous tax shelters

4. Cut back the MIC by 50% and close some of the estimated 1000 bases that exist all over the world

5. Tax wealth at a higher level than 15%

6. Re-institute the Estate Tax

7. Give the public back a share--like 10% of its air waves so that bona fide political candidates do not have to put their souls in hock (to deep pocket interests) to share their platforms with the public
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-09-09 17:08
ALL GOOD IDEAS!
 
 
0 # Celeste 2012-09-10 10:49
I think we are "compadre" spirits. Peace, my friend.
 
 
0 # seeler 2012-09-10 08:55
I think you've misread Sen. Sanders' proposal. He would eliminate the social security cap on income exceeding 250k. This keeps the cap on income between 110 and 250. This allows cover for Pres. Obama on not raising taxes on those who earn 250 or less. Sen. Sanders' proposal would not eliminate the 75 year actuarial deficit in Social Security.
 
 
+2 # dkonstruction 2012-09-11 12:09
Quoting Celeste:


On the list:

1. Raise the Social Security cap to $250,000 as Bernie Sanders wisely suggests.

2. Add a Tobin (or Robin Hood) tax to Wall Street transactions

3. Penalize corporations that off-shore their profits or deploy disingenuous tax shelters

4. Cut back the MIC by 50% and close some of the estimated 1000 bases that exist all over the world

5. Tax wealth at a higher level than 15%

6. Re-institute the Estate Tax

7. Give the public back a share--like 10% of its air waves so that bona fide political candidates do not have to put their souls in hock (to deep pocket interests) to share their platforms with the public


A good start to which i would add:

1) make it more expensive to invest outside the US than inside

2) force US based corporations to pay US prevailing wages abroad if they outsource jobs

3) Implement a national public works project rebuilding our infrastructure and make all contracts subject to Davis-Bacon prevailing wage laws

4) Create publicly owned financial institutions and have the gov't take back control of issuing money debt free

5) give workers control of their union pension funds to invest in things like affordable housing instead of turning these funds over to wall street money managers
 
 
0 # SOF 2012-09-12 14:01
More good ideas too. Thanks for adding to Progressive list.
 
 
+30 # Barbara K 2012-09-09 04:10
Don't let Romneyhood and his billionaire gang fool you. We know that the King of the Liars Club cannot be trusted. We need to show them that we are not going to sell our country to them, it is OUR country. We intend to keep it that way. DON'T Vote Republican at any level, the results will be devastating.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
The alternative is the loss of our country to those out to buy it.
 
 
+8 # Independentgal 2012-09-09 07:56
Well said!
 
 
+2 # Observer 47 2012-09-09 21:13
Our country has been lost for decades, Barbara, and re-electing Obama/Biden just puts a better face on the situation. The U.S. was bought and paid for long ago, and if every single Rethuglican in government were to be defeated, the results would not be less devastating than if the Rethugs win. If the current Rethug incumbents were thrown out, the ugliness would simply be more well-hidden, and the downward spiral would be less obvious. But since no one in government---in cluding the President---is actually running the country, it's six of one, half dozen of the other, with the disaster either more or less blatant. If you think it would be sunshine and roses if every Rethug were defeated, you don't know what's really going on in this country.
 
 
+29 # BlueReview 2012-09-09 04:34
The first time I heard of George W. Bush's plan to privatize Social Security was right after the financial crises was making itself felt in 2008. It NEVER seemed like a good idea to me--take, what? hundred of billions of dollars?--give it to a bunch of people who'd already run their own businesses to the ground by their own stupidity, and let them bankrupt this country again? And then we, the American taxpayer, can bail their greedy butts out--AGAIN?

Yeah, I'm sure Wall Street would just LOVE to get their hands on all that "free cash." Oh, don't worry, America, a melt-down like that couldn't POSSIBLY happen twice in one lifetime! How much did JPMorgan Chase 'lose' this year alone?

I'm not an economist, but at least I can balance my checkbook every month--which is more than these Wall Street "smart guys" seem to be able to do.

Robert Reich has referred to what Wall Street does as "casino capitalism." Makes sense to me. Hey, give me a bunch of money--say, $100,000--and I'll go to Vegas and lay it all down on one hand at the blackjack table. Oops, sorry, lost your life's savings--but I lost my own savings too, so you'd better pony up some more dough, 'cos I'm "too big to fail."
 
 
+13 # mdhome 2012-09-09 05:36
NEVERR give your savings to the gambler, professional or not. Wall Street casinos want money to throw away? go ask Mitt or his buddy Sheldon Adelson.
 
 
+6 # lysechrist 2012-09-09 05:19
With all the lies being tossed around like a volleyball from one side of the court to the other, how does the average person do research to find out the real truth for themselves?
 
 
+16 # walt 2012-09-09 05:20
Bernie Sanders is absolutely correct.

The Republicans and their big money backers would love to "privatize" whatever government money they can get their greedy hands on. Just look at what happened when Americans shifted to 401K plans for their retirement. Look too at the privatization of prisons and the horrible private health insurance we see. When corporate structures assume any government responsibility, the goal shifts to profiteering, not serving the needs of the people.

Social Security has been and continues to be a solvent and well-run government program. Americans should demand that these vulture capitalists stay the hell out.
 
 
+19 # Eliza D 2012-09-09 06:03
Thank you Mr. Sanders for once again bringing sanity and common sense to the Senate. What in the world was the rationale for not applying social security taxes to incomes above $110,000? Only that Congressional representatives would pay less on THEIR bloated salaries. This has gone on for too long, is outrageous and needs to be corrected. And Dick,please stop blaming ordinary citizens. The amount of political skullduggery out there is mind numbing, and most working people, especially with children,y simply do not have access to the mountains of info out there or the time to sift through it.
 
 
-14 # dick 2012-09-09 06:36
With Obama's eager support, the Fed has given trillions to Wall St. tp play with. It was Obama who chose not to separate B/M (Billionaire/Mi llionaire) tax cuts from middle class tax cuts when he had the clear opportunity. It is Obama who has "doubled down on Trickle Down." Helicopter (Sprinkler, Geyser Up) would be better, but far & away the best would have been MASSIVE public-private infrastructure spending. Guaranteed INVESTMENTS in the future. GUARANTEED Energy Savings. GUARANTEED Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. GUARANTEED restructuring of McMansions in default for better marketability & energy savings. ObamaDems WANT to preserve the B/M tax cuts for their rich pals, but want to pretend they don't to manipulate the Base. ObamaDems are NOT the answer; they are Betrayors.
 
 
+22 # BlueReview 2012-09-09 07:54
Quoting dick:
It was Obama who chose not to separate B/M (Billionaire/Millionaire) tax cuts from middle class tax cuts when he had the clear opportunity. It is Obama who has "doubled down on Trickle Down." Helicopter (Sprinkler, Geyser Up) would be better, but far & away the best would have been MASSIVE public-private infrastructure spending.


You're ignoring the fact that the Republicans in Congress were holding unemployment benefits hostage to keep those tax cuts from expiring, and have been obstructing any jobs bill he's proposed.
 
 
-6 # Celeste 2012-09-09 10:45
I am new to this site and I can see that mentioning where and how both parties conspire to support policies favorable to major corporations wins negative votes. Today when I added a like to these individuals, the number jumped by an increment not of 1 but of 4. Something is not right when this takes place. I won't mention the 3 names where I viewed this phenomenon, as I am not sure the censors will allow this comment at all. I just gave you a like but it added to the negative sum!
 
 
+9 # Kiwikid 2012-09-09 11:52
I struggled with that at first as well, Celeste. What is happening is that while we're reading/writing etc, others are reading and marking red or green. When we eventually do so, the numbers refresh, so that our positive or negative may be outweighed by a number of others who have also marked their view while we've been on the post.
 
 
-3 # Celeste 2012-09-09 12:59
That may be the answer. Although I've seen it operate on another site where I have very well-founded reservations about a group that always seems to see these increments. Notable is that some of its unofficial members have expressed backgrounds proficient in I.T.
 
 
+4 # pbbrodie 2012-09-09 18:50
I am way more than proficient in IT and have a degree in Computer Science. I worked in the IT field for more than 30 years. I can guarantee you that the explanation given to you, that as you are reading, many others are voting both negative and positive votes and all you are seeing is the updated total when you make your vote, is absolutely correct. There is no conspiracy and as you can see, as many others have that made your same comment, they do not block your comments, even when your comments accuse them of a conspiracy.
 
 
0 # Celeste 2012-09-10 10:58
Noting a curious anomaly is not the same thing as demarcating a conspiracy. I will make my own determinations, thank you. I know what I have been witnessing.

Those who do things like manipulate election vote counts also do their best to lend them the imprimatur of legitimacy. It happens to be a fact that Left-leaning sites attract paid informants and/or observers. You're probably one of them. Go ahead and call that a conspiracy, but Homeland Security certainly has the funds to invest in this type of thing. Or do you wish to say that it's just my imagination that Cass Sunstein recommended this approach, or that a huge data bank facility is being built in Utah, or that phone conversations and emails are being read under the rubric of fighting terrorism?

Wrong era to argue your case, Sherlock.
 
 
-1 # Observer 47 2012-09-09 21:19
That happens to me, too, Celeste. When I add a "like" to someone who's getting negative comments, the negative number increases, and vice versa.

Every time anyone criticizes Obama or the Dems---that is, tells it like it is---the negative marks mount up. People just will not see that the Dems are the problem as much as the Rethugs are. They're ALL bought and paid for!
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-09-11 12:13
Quoting Celeste:
I am new to this site and I can see that mentioning where and how both parties conspire to support policies favorable to major corporations wins negative votes. Today when I added a like to these individuals, the number jumped by an increment not of 1 but of 4. Something is not right when this takes place. I won't mention the 3 names where I viewed this phenomenon, as I am not sure the censors will allow this comment at all. I just gave you a like but it added to the negative sum!


Celeste, welcome to the cite...one of the problems you will soon discover (if you haven't already) is that there are far too many on this board that believe that "progressive" equals an uncritical supporter of the democratic party or that if one is critical at all of dems that one must be an evil rethuglican. It is a sad commentary on the state of progressive thinking
 
 
+2 # Observer 47 2012-09-09 21:26
You're right, dick. Obama is in the corporations' pockets as much as those on the other side of the aisle. The new political ads with Bill Clinton, who says that tax cuts and DEREGULATION "started this mess," make me want to scream. It was Bill Clinton who signed the legislation to abolish Glass-Steagall, so technically, HE allowed the mess to happen. It's totally beyond me how he can possibly have the nerve to make an ad decrying deregulation. I guess he and Obama are counting on the public's short memory and lack of information. No question, Dubya was as evil as they come, but Big Bill played a large part in the debacle as well.
 
 
+1 # Celeste 2012-09-10 11:06
It's straight out of Orwell and the dis-information ministry. Alter the historical record, or Official Narrative, and these "we create our own reality" types think they can alter what ACTUALLY took place. The short-attention span memory theater IS what they rely on to pull off the graft. High paid grifters they are, with no respect for life... as noted by the spreading of war and ecocide in the place of efforts to stem both and protect the living sphere and all sentient beings within it.
 
 
-27 # JGross001 2012-09-09 07:01
Well, the lefty view of Social Security has little to do with reality. No surprise there. We send money to the government to "fund", this system, they spend it right away, and Bernie talks about a "trust fund". It's gone, people. Social Security has to borrow money to make its payments. They lie about inflation (if you don't eat and don't drive, it's not too bad) so they don't have to raise their payments to really match the real cost of living. Bernie says it's all just fine, no worries, and you guys lap it up. Of course it has to be changed, and republicans will have to drag the lefties, kicking and screaming all the way, to get it done.
 
 
+22 # BlueReview 2012-09-09 07:49
Quoting JGross001:
Well, the lefty view of Social Security has little to do with reality. No surprise there. We send money to the government to "fund", this system, they spend it right away, and Bernie talks about a "trust fund". It's gone, people. Social Security has to borrow money to make its payments. They lie about inflation (if you don't eat and don't drive, it's not too bad) so they don't have to raise their payments to really match the real cost of living. Bernie says it's all just fine, no worries, and you guys lap it up. Of course it has to be changed, and republicans will have to drag the lefties, kicking and screaming all the way, to get it done.


If "it's gone, people"--why are the Republicans so eager to give it to the banks to "manage"?
 
 
+2 # Independentgal 2012-09-09 07:58
You are wrong on so many levels, but you're very wrong about inflation. That has been low.
 
 
+1 # pbbrodie 2012-09-09 18:55
How about offer up some facts to back up your completely ludicrous comments? When has Social Security ever borrowed a single dime? It is more like the Social security Trust Fund has been borrowed in the form of government bonds and those holding the bonds don't want to pay it back.
 
 
+1 # Observer 47 2012-09-09 21:29
Of course, the fact that Dubya siphoned off Social Security funds to pay for his warmongering agenda wouldn't have anything to do with the program's not being solvent in perpetuity, would it?????
 
 
+7 # frank 2012-09-09 08:37
Perhaps the main reason the rich, Wall Street, and the Republican Party are pushing for social security privatization is for them to achieve substantial stock market profits.

I understand that the top 1% of our population owns over 40% of equities. With privatization, millions of social security contributors would invest hundreds of billions of dollars into the stock market each year. The US stock market could appreciate 5% to 10% annually just based on these contributions. The rich would profit the most since they already own much of the market and Wall Street would make $billions from fees and their own trading.

Could privatization be a get-even-richer scheme for millionaires and billionaires?

Also, it is too risky for the average person to put social security contributions in the same basket with their personal investments, IRAs, 401(k) and their company’s pension funds (if they have them!). It defies the basic principal of investment DIVERSIFICATION . Social security funds should not be put into the stock or even the bond markets.
 
 
-20 # RightForAReason 2012-09-09 08:40
Social Security is a government sanctioned Ponzi scheme. It pays out 3 times more than it takes in. As an investment, it has an abysmal rate of return. It is paying 2012 benefits based upon 1935 life expectancies. The math doesn't work. Politicians prop it up because Seniors vote. My kids will have to pay for my parent's bills. Politicians also love that they can drop an IOU in the box when they raid its funds. It is not, and has never been self supporting, and it gets worse every year.
 
 
+5 # Kiwikid 2012-09-09 10:31
"Quoting RightForAReason:
Politicians also love that they can drop an IOU in the box when they raid its funds."
Kinda says it all. Along with the JGross001 post above, it is becoming clear to me that these people seem to have lost their moral compass. How can borrowing from a fund and then refusing to pay it back because they cannot afford it be ok? Your bank would never allow you to do this.
 
 
+10 # Celeste 2012-09-09 10:51
Just curious: Do you feel the same way about the ponzi scheme composed of all the billions lost on war? How about the millions upon millions given to corporations for essentially off-shoring their job base? Then there's the matter of the lesser tax brackets enjoyed by the very well-to-do.

It is an odd mentality that focuses more on taking the money away from aging widows who have nothing else to keep them from homelessness, rather than upon the obscene wastes that go to war, graft, corruption in high places and Wall Street's (should be criminal) way of creating vast profits (out of nothing in the way of product or genuine labor) to thereby skim.

With priorities like yours, your best friends are probably sociopaths.
 
 
+9 # Kiwikid 2012-09-09 11:49
Yes, Celeste, its the same mentality that says its okay to gut workers' superannuation funds and then declare bankrupcy or on-sell. Its the same mentality that says that banks always have first 'suck of the sav' when a construction company is in trouble - workers and subcontractors can flap about in the breeze while all assets are sold out from under them (this happens where I live - seems to be the same in the US - the wealthy set up the rules to protect their own interests at the expense of all others). Just goes to reinforce that golden rule - "the one who has the gold makes the rules."
 
 
+9 # Celeste 2012-09-09 13:08
The recent piece by Matt Taibbi was an eye-opener for me in terms of defining what a hostile takeover (or its theoretical more benign equivalent) consists of. Only in a nation where Disaster Capitalism came to be the law of the land would these types of activities pass snuff or qualify as legal! The Koch Brothers, the chemical companies, Big Energy, Big Pharma, and their think tank clearing house, ALEC, have so bent the law to serve the trespassers that not only does a mature individual like myself find it difficult to recognize the nation I was born to (or resonate with due to its current vulture-like values); but I shudder for those who never knew of a more just, sane, and humane time and therefore have no comparison. For them, graft, corruption and leaders making war on false pretenses IS the norm. Then, too, there's the great moral lapse of leaders doing nothing to mitigate what radically escalating climate changes will soon mean and deliver. Those concerns put the election circus into perspective.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-09-11 12:16
Quoting RightForAReason:
Social Security is a government sanctioned Ponzi scheme. It pays out 3 times more than it takes in. As an investment, it has an abysmal rate of return. It is paying 2012 benefits based upon 1935 life expectancies. The math doesn't work. Politicians prop it up because Seniors vote. My kids will have to pay for my parent's bills. Politicians also love that they can drop an IOU in the box when they raid its funds. It is not, and has never been self supporting, and it gets worse every year.


As Senator Sanders continue to point out...simply raise the cap on paying into Social Security and it is solvant for the next 75 years...problem solved.
 
 
+2 # Mannstein 2012-09-09 18:01
And after these Pigs have defaulted on Social Security they will come after what is left ie 401Ks, IRAs, and people's saving accounts.
 
 
0 # John Steinsvold 2012-09-09 18:32
An Alternative to Capitalism (since we cannot legislate morality)

Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: "There is no alternative". She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.

I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm

John Steinsvold

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."~ Albert Einstein
 
 
0 # Observer 47 2012-09-09 21:41
Your essay is a capsule synopsis of Ernest Callenbach's "Ecotopia." If we could eliminate the "me first" and the "more stuff" mindsets, the no-money society might work.
 
 
-1 # seeler 2012-09-10 07:39
So, Sen. Sanders, you know the numbers and haven't included them? If you had your way, and earnings were taxed for social security on income $250,000+, how much of the 75 year actuarial deficit would be erased? It's not 100%, is it? What is it, 25%? 30%? How are you going to make up the difference? Or would you rather pass this along to another generation to pay for?
 

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