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Weissmann begins: "Over the past several years, the American government has encouraged, tutored, and funded nonviolent destabilization efforts and color revolutions from Burma and the countries around the former Soviet Union to Venezuela, Iran, and Egypt. Most of the local activists involved had righteous grievances and deserved international solidarity. But, American and allied European interventions pursued their own interests and agendas ..."

Spring Mobilization to End the Vietnam War, San Francisco, 04/15/67. (photo: API)
Spring Mobilization to End the Vietnam War, San Francisco, 04/15/67. (photo: API)



Occupy This: Learning From the Dark Side

By Steve Weissman, Reader Supported News

22 November 11


Reader Supported News | Perspective

 

Occupy Wall Street: Take the Bull by the Horns


"Maybe I ought to spend more time promoting changes here in the United States because we're going in a direction that doesn't look good for democracy in our own country."

-- Col. Robert Helvey, US Army (retired), Peace Magazine, Jan-Mar 2008


ver the past several years, the American government has encouraged, tutored, and funded nonviolent destabilization efforts and color revolutions from Burma and the countries around the former Soviet Union to Venezuela, Iran, and Egypt. Most of the local activists involved had righteous grievances and deserved international solidarity. But, American and allied European interventions pursued their own interests and agendas, whether to extend control over oil, gas, and other natural resources, secure oil and gas pipelines, expand NATO into Eastern Europe, or privatize local economies.

Drawing a distinction between local movements and foreign intervention remains crucial. But, Occupy and Indignado activists can learn as much from the foxes as from the hens and roosters. Many are already learning the important lessons.

Col. Robert Helvey was clearly a fox. As a former military attaché in Burma working for the Defense Intelligence Agency, he was among the first in his world to see how to use nonviolent conflict in pursuit of Washington's global ambitions. You'll find the story in "Robert Helvey's Expert Political Defiance" in Peace Magazine, and my controversial "How Washington Learned to Love Nonviolence."

Helvey took his inspiration from Professor Gene Sharp, who greatly expanded on the pragmatic, post-Gandhi approach that student movements stumbled into at Berkeley, Stanford, and other hotbeds of 1960s activism. We tended to see non-violence primarily as a pragmatic choice of tactics, though at times we thought more strategically. In the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley, for example, many of the graduate students and teaching assistants clearly saw in advance how a massive sit-in could lead to a strike that would close down the university, and how that would push a majority of the faculty to come down on our side against the administration. With that in mind, we chose our tactics, timing, and outreach to faculty members.

Gene Sharp went much farther and deeper. On the tactical side, his "198 Methods of Nonviolent Action," remains a classic to which we should add as the movement creates new forms of struggle. On the strategic side, Sharp and Helvey went even farther, reformulating "strategic nonviolence" as an ongoing strategy to promote major political change, such as bringing down a government.

At the heart of their approach was Sharp's rediscovery of a basic truth that the French anarchist thinker Étienne de La Boétie explained in the 16th Century, and that the Arab Spring, the Indignados, and the Occupy movement are bringing to life. No tyranny can endure if large numbers of people simply refuse to go along with it.

As a career military man, Helvey added a precise strategic sense to planning extended nonviolent campaigns. The best descriptions I've found are in his 4-day training of Serbian activists from OTPOR and in his book, "On Strategic Nonviolent Conflict," which was funded in part by the United States Institute of Peace, an agency of the federal government.

Helvey's language, at least in print, can seem stiff and his approach more appropriate to military staffs than to movement activists. But we need to learn from his insistence on having clear objectives and a strategy, and in following Sun Tzu's teaching in "The Art of War": "Know your enemy, know yourself."

Helvey's students from Serbia knew their enemy by name, which made strategic planning fairly straightforward. The question was how to build a movement that could bring Milosevic down. In addition, Washington and its allies contributed bombing raids, propaganda broadcasts, and other forms of psychological warfare.

Occupiers face a much tougher situation. Overthrowing a tyrant is relatively easy compared to bringing down a tyrannical system, especially one that we have not yet named. Are we fighting against global finance, as suggested by the original name Occupy Wall Street? Or are we fighting against the warfare state, the giant corporations who game tax systems around the world, the student-loan system, or all of market capitalism?

If we cannot agree on who we are fighting, we will never create a workable nonviolent strategy to defeat them.

But don't despair. The movement is just beginning. It has brought the question of economic inequality to the forefront. And it has created real and virtual spaces where we can raise the hard questions and come together to find the best possible answers.

So, what do you think? Who exactly are we fighting against? And how do you see a nonviolent strategy to defeat them?


A veteran of the Berkeley Free Speech Movement and the New Left monthly Ramparts, Steve Weissman lived for many years in London, working as a magazine writer and television producer. He now lives and works in France, where he writes on international affairs.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

 

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+59 # pernsey 2011-11-22 14:43
I think OWS is protesting against the corporations control of our government so they have to pay their fair share of taxes. Higher taxes on the millionaires and the rich, and for Wall street to uphold the law and to be accountable and for upholding the regulations on them and to make them pay their fair share of taxes, and for jobs so there isnt such a great divide between upper class and middle class.

To end huge corporate lobbying, that is controlling our politicians and government right now. To put the government back into the hands of the people. I think it all ties together, Corporations and wall street controlling the politicians through lobbying billions of dollars to get laws passed so they can operate as they please for higher profits, less jobs, and low to no payment of taxes. Its not just one thing its the culmination of all these things.

WE THE PEOPLE want our country back and our voices to count and be heard again...we are the 99%!!

OCCUPY OCCUPY OCCUPY!!!!
 
 
+48 # Texas Aggie 2011-11-22 17:16
It isn't just taxes that is the problem. That is just one of many sins the 1% have committed and that need to be addressed. There is also the way they have bought government to allow them to pollute, to allow them to gouge people, to allow them send jobs overseas with no recrimination, to allow them to take public goods for themselves, and the list goes on. Basically, the object of OWS is to rein in the 1% so that they follow the same rules as everyone else. When that happens, then society will have changed.
 
 
+20 # pernsey 2011-11-22 18:08
Quoting
It isn't just taxes that is the problem. That is just one of many sins the 1% have committed and that need to be addressed. There is also the way they have bought government to allow them to pollute, to allow them to gouge people, to allow them send jobs overseas with no recrimination, to allow them to take public goods for themselves, and the list goes on. Basically, the object of OWS is to rein in the 1% so that they follow the same rules as everyone else. When that happens, then society will have changed.


Yes I agree, I did mention way more then just taxes. I think I said all of that, I think we both agree on the same things. A more even playing field.
 
 
+27 # Capn Canard 2011-11-22 15:04
I see it as a strategy that does work, and the major function is to increase awareness of the reality of the situation. It is that simple... the only thing that is stopping it is ignorance and awareness is exactly what those techniques are countering. We have an MSM that has done a average to below average job of spreading awareness. The education system does a much better job, but this direct action with learning by doing seems far more effective.
 
 
+19 # AndreM5 2011-11-22 17:19
Objective(s), strategy, tactics. It sounds militaristic but a movement needs all three. "Occupy" is a tactic, we can all envision many desirable objectives but focusing on just one or two is better. That leaves the need for a comprehensive strategy but this will need leadership. The poor Egyptians turned to the Army and are getting screwed in return. The Tea p's allowed the Kochs to take over and they were buried. Dems have little or no standing to exert leadership altho the Prez could if he would, but he can't so he shan't.
 
 
+47 # Cactusman 2011-11-22 15:17
I think we need to fight to change the paradigm of endless growth on a finite, overpopulated planet. It's fueled by debt and ever-increasing consumption and is plainly not sustainable on multiple fronts.

In biology, nothing grows forever. Rapid growth occurs when organisms are young and immature, as our nascent economy of the 1800s did. Then, as the adulthood stage is reached, growth either stops altogether (as in most animals) or slows drastically (most plants). Attention turns from merely increasing the organism's physical size to other matters, which in other species is mainly reproduction, and in humans also includes pursuits such as art, leisure, creativity, and spirituality. Just growing physically for its own sake is either cancer or obesity, and we must accept that there are limits to growth the way we've been defining it for decades.

Understanding that the paradigm itself is sick is what will change the focus towards sustainability and a kinder, more humane future for everyone. Greed and corruption will cease to thrive in such a system of interdependence , which of course should be balanced with individual independence as well.

I know this is a big issue to bring about. But you start eating an elephant one bite at a time, and this is one place we can start discussing this. Our survival depends on it.
 
 
+28 # futhark 2011-11-22 17:13
Cactusman, as a fellow biologist, I totally agree with you. Population growth starts as an exponential "J" curve, leveling off as an "S" curve, and, as resources are depleted and wastes accumulate, becomes an "inverted U" curve. The last is the "Big Crash".

My latest epiphany, which I in no way claim is original thinking, is that highly organized systems, be they organisms, corporations, or national economies, create internal order and stability by exporting disorder into their environments. As they grow, the disorder gradient between inside and outside becomes steeper and increasing amounts of energy must be used to keep exporting more disorder (measured as entropy). The exported disorder takes the form of plundered resources, exploited workers, and environmental pollution.

We need social leaders with some understanding of biology and thermodynamics in order to create viably sustainable economic systems. Scientific knowledge is NOT optional for politicians in this day and age.
 
 
+14 # Cactusman 2011-11-22 18:44
Thanks for your perspective, futhark. I hadn't quite seen it that way but there are definite elements of truth to what you say.

As a biologist, you'll also appreciate the analogy that sometimes complex species, such as orchids highly dependent upon one insect for pollination or predators that can only feed upon one prey, face a double-edged sword of survival. The advantage to specializing that far is that your fate becomes extremely reliably dependent upon another organism, to the point where you both need each-other to survive. The flip side is: due to that co-dependence, if either one of you changes or your environment does, you become that much more vulnerable to extinction.

Today's modern technological society has become so complex, and reliant upon the perfect coordinated functioning of multiple arcane systems that it can be damaged or destroyed with only minor changes in the flow of money, energy, labor, materials, etc. It is evolutionarily complex and miraculous in some ways, and extremely vulnerable in others.

We should diversify and build in redundancies to hedge our bets against failure. It's not as efficient and some won't make as much money, but it's more stable and more of us will remain functional in the event of stressors. More than one basket for all of our eggs, so to speak. Nature does this too. We should follow that.
 
 
+8 # AndreM5 2011-11-22 17:34
That sounds like Gerry Brown during the 1979 (?) Prez primaries. "Era of Limits" I think it was and I think he won 7 in a row but not the nomination.
 
 
+37 # Buddha 2011-11-22 15:19
Yes, the Occupy protests have a difficult job putting "the enemy" on a bumper sticker. But do not mistake that to mean that those at these protests aren't 100% aware of what we are fighting against. In my experience, the people at the protests are very politically aware, know how all three branches of our government are bought-and-paid-for, how big money through election campaign finance donations and lobbying controls the policies implemented by our government, almost always contrary to the will and benefit of the people. But that "facelessness" isn't a bad thing, just because it means it will be a long campaign. It is just up to those aware to unplug more and more people around us from the Matrix, get them to see the truth even if right now they fight through the blinders the 1% have put on most Americans. So far we have had success, discussion about income/wealth disparity and the power differential it spawns has finally entered the public discussion, something thought impossible a few months ago. And the violence against protestors by the police are waking up Americans who may not even support the protests to what is really going on, how tenuous our Freedoms are in this country, how dangerous the militarizatin of our police forces is and how much danger Homeland Security and the Patriot Act really are going forward if we are to not fall into a totalitarian State...
 
 
+20 # mwd870 2011-11-22 16:36
Buddha's reply covers who and what the 99% are fighting. As to nonviolent strategies to effect change, support movements such as GET MONEY OUT. The system is corrupt; without the bribes, better laws might be enacted.

Write to people with influence to support positive change. Pressure Congress. Find and elect candidates who want to see our government working again. The Occupy Movement is creative, so there may be unconventional, nonviolent ideas we haven't thought of yet.

Someone wrote that it took 30 years for wealthy right wing conservatives to destroy democracy in our country. The system is so entrenched, new members of Congress could be susceptible to the same corruption. So we are back to GET MONEY OUT.
 
 
+25 # jamminon 2011-11-22 15:41
We are fighting against a system where government policymakers are on sale to the highest bidder. All other mischief and conflicts of interest arise from that. Overturn Citizens United, restrict candidate advertising by outside groups, promote public financing of campaigns to give people who don't take bribes a chance, ban lobbyists from Washington DC, promote massive internet-based feedback from constituents to their representatives on specific issues, etc.

I.e. Give the average guy a bigger voice, and the wealthy and powerful a smaller voice.
 
 
+13 # WLawpsh 2011-11-22 16:07
Dear Steve Weissman:
I suggest we're fighting against those Americans who by "adhering to their [the United States's] Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort" commit treason contrary to the treason clause of the Constitution. Persons who for their own power, prestige and profit persist in playing "The Great Game" of imperialism are "Enemies." Their success to date has terminated the existence of the United States as a constitutional democracy under the rule of law and that is the only right to exist that the country claims; or can claim pending a duly processed constitutional amendment. That, at any rate, is what the Mahican and Mi'kmaq Tribes have argued and substantiated as a matter of law alone in the [recently revised] "Justice as Truth Legal Argument" at their Website "Might Is Not Right."

As for "a nonviolent strategy to defeat them," why not give the rule of law a chance? True, it has not done much to prevent imperialism and its wars and genocides before now. But still, is it reasonable and fair to count it out before having given it every opportunity to function? At the moment it is the only viable candidate for establishing in practice the constitutional intent of Justice, Tranquility, defence, Welfare and Liberty.
 
 
+24 # MainStreetMentor 2011-11-22 16:23
Forgive me, but … I don’t believe we’re fighting a “who” … I believe we’re fighting a “what”. In fact I believe we are confronting several “whats”. The largest of these is most probably GREED. Another is LUST FOR POWER. A third perhaps is CONTROL. There are other “whats” also. There are prominent, easily identified embracers (as individuals or groups) of these “whats”, and many are residents of Wall Street, while others live within the melded confines of the military-industrio-complex … and their “mules” live on K-Street as lobbyists, and … their enablers live within our Congress. Within all of these are the “steerers”, (who turn attentions from the necessary to the irrelevant), the “pavers”, (Fox News is a good example – they laydown the roadway of propaganda on which the “steerers” direct the propaganda. Then of course there are the propagandists themselves, who fabricate, misdirect, misconstrue and just plain lie – then cause it to be spewed forth by the political “criers” in Tea Party Controlled Republican Congress.
 
 
+1 # Tom Hastings 2011-11-22 16:26
Weissmann writes as though these grassroots movements are tools of the West. Too bad they can't decide and act for themselves. Like the ones who overthrew Shah, Marcos, Ben Ali, Mubarak and so forth? Steve, Steve, Steve...if the government of the US is accidentally on the right side of some issue occasionally, do you recommend a kneejerk opposition to that side? Guess what? Interests coincide sometimes. This crosscuts a different way than you seem capable of understanding. It's not left-right, Steve; it's violent-nonviolent. Gene Sharp put in his time as an inmate for refusing induction in the US armed services and devoted his career to helping to understand and proliferate the use of peaceful methods of change. Your ongoing misread of him and his work is nothing short of slanderous. Would you rather have seen Slobo stay in? A bloody revolution? Your allegiance to these dictators is flabbergasting. Personally, I'd support a slight twist on Malcolm X: by any nonviolent means at our command--applied to the brutal ones of any nation.
 
 
+8 # Billy Bob 2011-11-22 17:24
"It's not right-left, Steve; it's violent-nonviolent"

That, to me, sounds like two different ways of saying the same thing.

In fact, you sound pretty left-wing to me. Don't worry. It's not a naughty word.
 
 
+13 # jamminjames 2011-11-22 16:35
The #1 thing we must fight for is getting the big money out of elections. Until we do this, all the other issues are moot, no real change will happen. Until we can elect leaders who will represent US, rather than the moneyed elite who pay for their campaigns, we will not have true democracy. Therefore, I say this is the main issue for the new movement to focus on. And it will take a revolution (hopefully non-violent).
 
 
+3 # Karlus58 2011-11-23 09:39
Getting the money out means having elected officials who will do so. Before we get the money out then, we must get alot of politicans the boot...that must be the prime objective.
 
 
+19 # Richard Raznikov 2011-11-22 16:41
I was also at Berkeley during the FSM and remember it well. Occupy is distinctly different because it is diffuse and because it is nationwide (or worldwide). But I think it shares some things, too. One is that it provides a place to gather for many people who need to see that they are not alone. That's empowering and encouraging. Another is that it provides an opportunity to educate people who are attracted by the attention the events and demonstrations command.
The evolution of events at Davis are a perfect example in a small context. A couple of hundred students participated in a scene where cops assaulted some of them with pepper spray. This was so crazy it brought worldwide attention. The student response was both nonviolent and brilliant (the silence which greeted the chancellor as she walked to her car), and that generated thousands to the next demonstration.
This is how a movement can be built.
With the FSM we had specific demands. Occupy must not try to develop specifics, despite media types or pols arguing that this is necessary. The movement can keep growing organically if it is not narrowed or directed to specific political purposes.
Thanks, Steve, for your work. We're still out here and we still mean it.
 
 
+14 # John Locke 2011-11-22 16:48
The Occupy Movement is drawing notice to the failure of Capitalism and its control over governments, not just ours but globally. They see the transition from a democracy to a police state of corporate control, in short Fascism, which was so popular during the 1930's and 1940's. There is no doubt democracy is dead in America and for that matter in the UK as well. there is simply a multitude of issues that Must be addressed, however tha main issue is the corruption and corruptive influence Wall Street exercises over our government. The answer is not a simple one, and the change will take time... it will require a constant watch to insure that we the people control government and not the other way around. The system is broken and it will take a tremendous effort to restore us to what we were intended to be, but first we have to address Wall Street, and the inherent corruption of the Banking system, in short Congress Must reinstate its obligation to coin the money of the US and take it away from the banks through the Federal Reserve, which is neither Federal or a real reserve.
 
 
+25 # Nel 2011-11-22 16:49
The enemy is faceless but it's main weapon is quite evident: controlled mass media. Which basic propaganda slogan is: "The USA press is free."
Let's occupy the press and allow voice to all, "extremists" included.
 
 
+16 # bonniect 2011-11-22 16:54
When my husband worked for the FAA and stayed in during the strike and had to cross picket lines and was threatened by striking controllers, he saw his duty as honoring the oath he took not to strike against his government. Then the "Private Contactors" took over and guess who they were....don't know?...Well they were retired FAA management who saw an opportunity to capitalize and profitize on their behind the scenes knowledge and political favotoritism and loyal employees like my husband were totally screwed! They took over as the FAA was Privatised and they offered significantly less pay, more hours and no supplies! Fortunately my husband was eligable for an early retirement, which he didn't want, but took so he wasn't party to this horrible debauchle. Fo many years, the safety standards declined, but the powers that be never really did anything about it. As for these courageous people Occupying Wall Street and elsewhere, I fully supprt them and their ideals. We're done! It's over. Powers that Be, you are outted! Find a "high road" way to conduct business or stop and let the people who care about the future of our country and this planet take over. It's not all about you! Blessings to all...
 
 
+12 # seefeellove 2011-11-22 17:09
Economic injustice = Wall St.
The root of our political, justice, and educational systems is diseased by a few misguided, disconnected people who forgot or never learned the beauty of interdependence , an interconnection based on equity and a preservation and cultivation of the sacred in all. I wonder if we are destined to know our true selves shaped by a universal consciousness that realizes what we do to Earth we do to ourselves, where all of us will finally experience how fragile life is. We seem to be like a small town or a large family where individuals can no longer get away with their transgressions. When we see "them" as us with wisdom and kindness the actions we take within each moment will guide us toward an enlightened society. We need a caring economy where all voices are heard. One strategy is keep speaking your truth and to listen with respect while seeing others as yourself, educating each other, comparing notes, ridding ourselves of competition and aggression, gratefully and fearlessly giving and receiving with reverence for life and impermanence.
 
 
+9 # tekkiguy 2011-11-22 17:42
In the current electoral system money is the single most important factor in success. This has debased and corrupted our political system. Most Americans know this and want reform.
However, most current office holders have their positions because they were able to raise the enormous amounts of money required for a winning candidacy. As a result, most elected politicians now (correctly) believe that their political survival depends on access to this money. In fact, as long as getting elected requires the enormous expenditures that it now does, elected officials will always be indebted to the sources of that money. The fact that big business, the military, and the rich nearly always get the legislation and political favors that they want is a perfectly rational and necessary consequence of the way that elections are financed. Even when a public-spirited president or member of congress gets elected, the large majority of our so-called representatives still do the bidding of the powers that put them in office and prevent any real reform
 
 
+6 # scherzo 2011-11-22 18:43
When a culture loses its vitality, a desperate stress is put on the not-self as individuals look outside themselves
for the nourishment we can no longer find within. Values,which came from intangible intuitions, from feelings too
subtle to be verbalized or analyzed, cannot be found,appear to have been illusions. At a certain moment in the
process of loss--the devolution of being-- attributes like'good', 'powerful','merciful','just', 'wise' are withdrawn from God and shifted to the supremely inflated sign—-the
God-Child of western civ—-MONEY.
 
 
+4 # CandH 2011-11-22 18:51
"So, what do you think? Who exactly are we fighting against? And how do you see a nonviolent strategy to defeat them?"

If these comments here are reflective of "who people think we are fighting against," then we're doomed to fail. Occupy Wall Street-all public-traded corps, worldwide, run the place(s.) Period. Didn't we just learn that 147 Int'l Corps control everything worldwide? With a small list of global elites owning that 147 base. And there are 9 sectors of the economy that collude (1-MIC,2-medical,3-finance/ins/banks,etc,) as the "second tier" control under that. In other words, keeping deliberating and educating people about their nemesis, because that is obviously not getting through (per these comments.)

How to fight that broad base of a nemesis? Now that's the $800Trillion question (the amount of black market derivatives that constitute all value in the world today.)
 
 
+13 # Cactusman 2011-11-22 20:01
The way you fight it is to change the terms of debate, to decide to operate on a different note. You take some of the good that the system has brought us, and try to return to basic life-affirming values that have held true for generations at the very same time.

It's a delicate dance and it varies from nation to nation, regionally, and individually as well.

You grow a garden amidst the wreckage of the vacant trashed out urban lots if that's where you find yourself. Eventually the beauty of what you're doing will move others to join you. And little by little, your understanding changes to something positive and you alter the trajectory of those around you.

Don't forget that the tip of a pyramid is held up by its base. The power lies lower down at least as much as it does up top. Those $800 trillion in derivatives mean nothing if we won't cooperate with the system. Or if we harness its power for common good.

A handful of Occupiers have already changed the terms of debate for the better. This only took a few weeks, actually - amazing! And most of us haven't even really awakened to rebuild America yet. Just wait and see - the seed has germinated and the growth of the foliage will apply great pressure to the restricting prison walls.

It's a big job, but we can do it. Life will find a way. ;-)
 
 
0 # CandH 2011-11-23 08:25
I feel like I just stepped into one of Bush's religious organized, disneyesque pep rallies, which is fine for some, but not all. Many people just want to get to the truth, determine maladies, find solutions, and work towards that end. We call them realists I guess, who aren't swayed or convinced by superfluous and superficial arguments to real, hard, and difficult problems.
 
 
+6 # Texan 4 Peace 2011-11-22 21:50
No, "147 Int'l Corps" do NOT "control everything." Start making a list of things and spaces they don't control (starting with your own mind), and I think you'll see the list is endless.
 
 
+2 # CandH 2011-11-23 08:17
No, no, no.... See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Think positive. Smile and the world smiles with you. Um, we are all talking about Wall Street, hence the name Occupy Wall Street, n'est–ce pas?

Catherine Fitts, former HUD admin, explains who these global elites are, funded by US black budgets and the recent '08 bank bailout. Here's the link. It's a dousy, chock full of honesty and no delusion about reality, so I'd rate it for the audience as "NC-17 in truth:" http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/74988. Movie Inside Job is truthful too.
 
 
+1 # CandH 2011-11-23 09:15
Here's another link to a story by a well-known LeMonde journalist in London Marc Roche, regarding Goldman Sachs networked influence in European Central Bank (& Greece Central Bank who assisted Goldman SAchs with accounting anomalies to hide their debt:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNlnpn0Jvk&feature=player_embedded
 
 
+1 # CandH 2011-11-23 09:54
I said here's another link, because my other posts, previous to this one, weren't allowed to be shown, and this has happened 50% of the time. FYI--The message is very controlled here, with a foxnews style "stay on messaging" situation happening, and often fluffy and superfluous in nature at that. (not unlike huffpost, which is very, very controlled as well.) Let's see if this one makes it through...
 
 
+13 # epcraig 2011-11-22 19:04
We know we are on the surface of a finite planet.
We are attempting to apply an expanding economy on this finite planet.
Democracy cannot continue unless it reins in the economy.
Allowing monopolies to control discourse is corrupting the discourse.
 
 
+6 # mcav 2011-11-22 19:29
Did someone circulate talking points? Why is the lack of an agenda such a widely heard rebuke to the OWS movement? Movement between civil rights, feminism, and anti-Vietnam protests didn't stop their progress! War, corporate power and government corruption are huge issues on their own; what do they have in common? With or without a specific agenda, OWS needs to continue.
 
 
+8 # in deo veritas 2011-11-22 19:35
The centrasl goal has to be the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. Otherwise the banksters cannot be stopped from reckless deriviatives, playing both commercial bank and investment bank roles that have ruined our economy. HR1489 must be passed or we are finished. FORCE the slugs in Congress to pass it or all the demonstrations and protests will be futile.
 
 
+5 # mwd870 2011-11-23 06:56
Good point. Reinstating Glass-Steagall should be one of the main goals.
 
 
+7 # PaineRad 2011-11-22 20:03
We have a million villains, but almost all of them are merely symptoms of the core problem.

The core problem, the cancer, that has overtaken the America and the world we want can be summarized in one or two words: BIG or with a little more precision, BIG Money. Everything else is a consequence of BIG and the influence and power that comes with BIG.
 
 
+5 # dollbock 2011-11-22 20:19
There's plenty of injustice, corruption and basically evil behavior to feed protestors for years. But what are we FOR? What is the path forward that will lead to a world that works for our children and grandchildren? Without sustainable everything, politics, business, environmental policy, etc. there will not be a future where hope and creativity will thrive. We need to become sustainabLISTAS and sustainabLISTOS ! Listos?
 
 
+4 # cecilep 2011-11-22 20:47
check out habitable zones at
http://habitablezones.blogspot.com/
"greed and bleed"
 
 
0 # jimyoung 2011-11-23 08:25
Yes, take Ronald Reagan's National Endowment for Democracy tactics to streets of America. I prefer methods they chose to use through State Department/USAID/NED subunits of the International Republican Institute and National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, though I find IRI concentrates far too much on business interests, spending almost nothing in countries they don't find advantageous. They appealed for far more private money as the end of the Bush administration approached. I don't know, but suspect the IRI approach was much more short term, on-sided, advantage for our country (business interests, anyway)than what I would hope would be a better balanced and more sustainable set of partnerships through NDI activities.
Samples of foreign IRI propaganda would seem laughable if tried here, but perhaps citizen group developed issues on the model of PBS "By the People" events like "What Next California" with 400 citizens spending 3 days coming up with questions for expert panel discussions, would provide focal points for non-violent group tactics to bring to wider public attention. Perhaps the honest and ethical Wall Street insiders, will help overcome the propaganda and power of the anarchical capitalists Hoover complained about, and help us with better knowledge based critical thinking we can demand from Wall Street, lobbyists, and political machines.
 
 
+3 # 1984 2011-11-23 10:17
OWS should proceed to call for strikes. There had been a movement several years ago to strike say, Exxon. No business would be felt. Getting accounts out of the big banks is another excellent strike and should continue to be pushed. Strike against products of evil corporations. These strikes should not be done at the same time. Rather, they should each be done for,say a week or so. Then strike another, then another. Then return to the first company, e.g. Exxon and strike again. Strike focusing on only one company/bank at a time will enable and encourage more participants than if it is done against multiple targets at once.

I agree with those who feel it is not necessary for the OWS to make isolated specific demands. To do so makes them seem like an isolated group The 1% already used this tactic when it attempted to marginalize the protesters.

The word "consumer" by the way, is from the word "consumption" i.e.TB. I agree it is not a sustainable economic system.
 
 
+6 # sokolowmus 2011-11-23 11:20
Another important issue I'm not seeing in these comments: Wall Street must be prevented from doing their crazy derivative schemes and Glass Steagall must be restored, along with more regulations preventing the crazy speculation that caused the 2008 crash. The type of business they (Wall St. & banks) are doing is relatively new and it's disastrous for the world economy. Few understand it, but nothing was done to prevent a recurrence . Now instead of a real estate bubble they're creating a commodities bubble, and it will wreak havok unless they are stopped by sweeping regulatory reforms.
 
 
-3 # Robt Eagle 2011-11-24 09:07
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

... Abraham Lincoln
 
 
+5 # liz4peace 2011-11-24 11:20
You ask what we can do to defeat the "dark side". How about focusing on overturning the Citizens United decision as a first step to introducing some sanity to our election process. MovetoAmend.org and other groups are encouraging grass roots actions on the Jan 20 anniversary. This is something concrete, feasible, and trans-partisan that I think the 99% can agree on.
 

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