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Simpich writes: "If reporters like Sanchez would take a few minutes out to review the court record, they'd realize that Bradley Manning was very selective in choosing the documents that he released to Wikileaks."

Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning. (photo: New Republic)
Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning. (photo: New Republic)



Manning Chose Documents for Release as Selectively as Snowden

By Bill Simpich, Reader Supported News

12 June 13

RSN Special Coverage: Trial of Bradley Manning

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ournalists like Raf Sanchez of the Daily Telegraph claim that NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was more selective in his releases than Pfc. Bradley Manning. With no evidence, Sanchez claims that Manning "at some point simply threw open the box and hoped for the best." Yes, Manning released 700,000 documents, but that was not simply a data dump. It is the quality and nature of the documents that has to be analyzed.

Snowden has revealed two highly secret NSA surveillance programs, with the promise of more to come. Ellsberg points out that Manning's documents were at a lower level of classification than the Pentagon Papers, which exposed Johnson administration policy decisions on Vietnam. Manning's documents focused on war crimes and corruption at the ground level. His revelations about the Tunisian government led to the Arab Spring. Ellsberg says that Manning's exposure of American war crimes led to the Iraqi government refusing to grant American troops immunity and ensuring the total withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq.

If reporters like Sanchez would take a few minutes out to review the court record, they'd realize that Bradley Manning was very selective in choosing the documents that he released to Wikileaks. Manning also knew that Wikileaks would exercise good judgment in catching anything he might have missed. Wikileaks was very careful in reviewing the documents again and redacting appropriate passages that might endanger individuals. Wikileaks asked the US government to go through the leaked documents to make sure that no innocent people were identified, but was rebuffed. No one has shown personal harm due to Manning's revelations. Even Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates called the effect of WikiLeaks� releases on U.S. foreign relations "fairly modest," as every government in the world knows that the American government "leaks like a sieve."

I remain stunned by how the traditional media has ignored the opening statement of Bradley Manning's defense counsel, David Coombs. A good lawyer doesn't say anything during opening statement that can't be proven. If you go out on a limb and can't make your case, you lose your credibility. Coombs is a very meticulous attorney. Coombs told Judge Denise Lind that Manning was highly selective in the documents he chose for release. "He had access to literally hundred of millions of documents as an all-source analyst, and these were the documents he released." Coombs stated that Manning selected information that he believed could not be used against the United States or by a foreign nation. (Transcript, 6/3/13, pp. 78, 87)

There is the "Collateral Murder" video, with its gunsight footage displaying civilian adults and children being attacked by men in an Apache helicopter who laughed as they committed cold-blooded murder. Manning knew that Reuters had lost two journalists in this incident and had made an FOIA request for a copy of the video, and that the United States had lied in its response two years later by indicating that no copy of the video was available. (Transcript, 6/3/13, at pp. 80-81).

There are the Afghan War logs/Iraq War logs, kept by the soldiers after clashes with enemy forces. These clashes were known to the other side and were hardly secret. Coombs said that the logs chosen by Manning never contained the names of intelligence sources, and that the information that he provided was all "stale" as it was more than 72 hours old. (Transcript, 6/3/13, pp. 78-79)

On the State Department cables known as "Cablegate," Manning knew that these cables could not contain intelligence sources and could not have key sensitive information. He also knew that the information in these cables tended to be unclassified. (Id., at p. 83)

On the Guantanamo Bay files of detainee interrogations, Manning knew that they contained no intelligence sources, but rather biographical information.

Yesterday I spoke with Nathan Fuller, one of the key journalists covering the Bradley Manning case over the last three years. Fuller agreed that Manning had been highly selective, and referred me to the June 10 edition of a blog written by "Tarzie". Fuller and Tarzie have done a great job teasing out this story, and deserve credit.� Tarzie's analysis is provided here:

In one of his chats with Adrian Lamo, the man who ratted him out to the government, Manning described the trove like this:
260,000 state department cables from embassies and consulates all over the world, explaining how the first world exploits the third, in detail, from an internal perspective �
� there's so much � it affects everybody on earth � everywhere there�s a US post � there�s a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed � Iceland, the Vatican, Spain, Brazil, Madagascar, if its a country, and its recognized by the US as a country, its got dirt on it. (Source: Wired)
Clearly Manning felt, correctly, that the whole trove was the story. As a whistleblower, he had the choice of selecting a handful of scandals and thereby telling only an arbitrary fraction of the story (with a commensurately smaller impact), or releasing the whole trove unedited so that journalists and others could crowd-source the big picture. In light of the trove�s size, telling the whole inside story of American imperialism was just not compatible with the kind of meticulousness with which Snowden credits himself. Manning�s documents also had a far lower secrecy classification than Snowden�s; most were not classified at all. In other words, it�s simply not fair or substantive to compare Manning to Snowden in this regard.
Nevertheless, comparisons are being made and, despite the particular challenges of the project Manning undertook, he still compares well. Listed below are all the items provided by Manning that Wikileaks published, along with remarks about their sensitivity. Where warranted, I have quoted Manning�s trial statements regarding his thinking at the time about the impact of each leak:
1. Reykjavik13 � a diplomatic cable suggesting that Iceland had sought the United States� help in resolving a dispute with the United Kingdom over the UK�s use of anti-terrorism legislation to secure payment by Iceland of the guarantees for UK depositors. Since this is a matter that involved neither US intelligence nor military, Manning obviously had no reason to believe it put anyone at risk.
2. "Collateral Murder" � the military�s gunsight footage from a Baghdad air strike on a group of eleven mostly unarmed people, including two Reuters journalists whose cameras were allegedly mistaken for weapons. Eight people were killed, rescuers were fired upon and children were injured in the attack. There is no national security argument that can be credibly made against the leaking of a video that documents war crimes, particularly one documenting an incident that happened three years before Manning leaked it and which had already been covered in several news accounts.
3. Afghan War Logs/Iraq War Logs � a collection of SigActs, records created by US military regarding Significant Activities, including civilian deaths. Here is what Manning said in his court statement about their sensitivity:
In my perspective the information contained within a single SigAct or group of SigActs is not very sensitive. The events encapsulated within most SigActs involve either enemy engagements or causalities. Most of this information is publicly reported by the public affairs office or PAO, embedded media pools, or host nation (HN) media.
Although SigAct reporting is sensitive at the time of their creation, their sensitivity normally dissipates within 48 to 72 hours as the information is either publicly released or the unit involved is no longer in the area and not in danger.
4. "Cablegate" � leak of 251,287 State Department cables, written by 271 American embassies and consulates in 180 countries, dated December 1966 to February 2010. Manning�s remarks:
I thought these cables were a prime example of a need for a more open diplomacy. Given all of the Department of State information that I read, the fact that most of the cables were unclassified, and that all the cables have a SIPDIS caption [denotes a cable is appropriate for widely sharing within an interagency audience], I believe that the public release of these cables would not damage the United States.
5. Guantanamo Bay Files � a collection of Detainee Assessment Briefs (DABs), memos giving basic and background information about a specific detainee held at some point by Joint Task Force Guantanamo. Manning�s trial statement indicates, once again, that he carefully considered intelligence and national security risk:
Reading through the Detainee Assessment Briefs, I noticed that they were not analytical products, instead they contained summaries of tear line versions of interim intelligence reports that were old or unclassified. None of the DABs contained the names of sources or quotes from tactical interrogation reports or TIR�s. Since the DABs were being sent to the US SOUTHCOM commander, I assessed that they were intended to provide a very general background information on each of the detainees and not a detailed assessment.
In addition to the manner in which the DAB�s were written, I recognized that they were at least several years old, and discussed detainees that were already released from Joint Task Force Guantanamo. Based on this, I determined that the DABs were not very important from either an intelligence or a national security standpoint.
Any discussion of the alleged recklessness of Manning�s leaks must also include the reminder that prior to the publication of the State Department cables, Wikileaks� Julian Assange sent a letter to the U.S. Department of State, inviting them to "privately nominate any specific instances (record numbers or names) where it considers the publication of information would put individual persons at significant risk of harm that has not already been addressed." Harold Koh, the State Department�s Legal Adviser, rejected the proposal, stating: "We will not engage in a negotiation regarding the further release or dissemination of illegally obtained U.S. Government classified materials." Despite the State Department�s apparent lack of urgency, Wikileaks redacted the names of sources and others in potentially vulnerable positions before publishing. Unredacted cables were only published after a security breach by a Guardian writer necessitated it. (Source: Wikipedia).
Similarly, Wikileaks offered to allow the Department of Defense to review the War Logs for potentially risky material, but this offer too was declined. (Source: Salon).
Considering the nature of the leaks themselves, the care with which Manning considered the military and intelligence risk of each document set, and the way both the US State Department and Department of Defense declined to review the leaks and thereby vindicated Manning�s risk assessment, it should come as no surprise that not a single injury to, or death of, U.S. military or intelligence personnel can be attributed to his extraordinary whistleblowing.
In other words, Manning�s alleged recklessness is pure legend, a lie told again and again to minimize the real significance of his disclosures, to foster fairy tales about his emotional instability, to justify both the hideous treatment he has received at the hands of the U.S. military and the disgusting extent to which he has been smeared and trivialized by the few reporters and pundits who even bother with his extremely consequential case.
It is unfortunate that the indoctrination to which we have all been subject with respect to Manning has apparently infected Snowden too, a remarkable whistleblower in his own right. One hopes Glenn Greenwald, who has been Manning�s most vocal high-profile advocate and who is now instrumental in making Snowden�s leaks public, will give him an opportunity to possibly reconsider or clarify his position.

We can and should rely on lawyers like David Coombs, journalists like Nathan Fuller, and bloggers like Tarzie, who have been following this story for years. We should challenge those who offer facile opinions in the Manning trial without having done the necessary preparation. Everything indicates that Bradley Manning � like Edward Snowden � did his homework.

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+58 # jlohman 2012-04-26 09:29
Maybe we could get our troops out of countries where they do not belong, and shut the TSA down! But oh, the defense industry wouldn't like that and they fund the politicians!
 
 
-6 # John Locke 2012-04-26 17:34
There is a solution, But no one wants to hear it...STOP FLYING! drive where you are going!
 
 
+4 # Rick Levy 2012-04-26 19:56
Quoting John Locke:
There is a solution, But no one wants to hear it...STOP FLYING! drive where you are going!


That's a neat trick if you're going abroad.
 
 
-6 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:00
Simple: Don't go abroad!
 
 
+3 # tingletlc 2012-04-27 11:56
Unless to defect.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2012-04-27 08:14
I don't know why you got thumbs down for that. In fact, it's the only solution. If people aren't willing to bite that bullet, all the complaining in the world is a big fat waste of time and hot air.
 
 
-1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:01
Billy I can tell you why...it is common sense, thats what is missing here...
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2012-04-28 12:52
John Locke, I will disagree, it isn't common sense that is missing, it is GOOD sense.
 
 
-1 # Capn Canard 2012-04-28 12:50
John Locke, good comment, it is the only sure fire way. Hard to understand why people give you a thumbs down.
 
 
+77 # nirmalandhas 2012-04-26 09:35
All TSA officers should be screened for mental disorders...
 
 
+45 # burner 2012-04-26 09:53
The TSA officers will one day learn how they were duped with all these 'terrorist' and security details, just so the govt could pass more controls, someone look up about the shoe bomber who was not allowed on the airplane in holland but then a US govt official intervened and accompanied him to the plane and past security; this was witnessed by a prominent lawyer from Michigan who was brave enough to speak up. I agree that these TSA officers are mentally deficient and just trying to show their 'power'.
 
 
+60 # Dion Giles 2012-04-26 10:11
I was checked at LAX not long after someone had tried to explode a bomb in a shoe on an aircraft, and there was heightened alert. None the less I was treated with good humour and respect while they made sure there was nothing funny about my shoes. America has strong democratic traditions and it was bound to take time for full-fledged fascism to be built up after September 2001. From Bradmeyer's story and many other similar events, normal airport security has evolved into gratuitous bullying by human garbage, and the fascist plague has spread like a runaway infection to engulf the USA and even spill into the rest of the world. This, along with colonial wars, appears to have been the objective of the false flag atrocity at the Twin Towers. Airports like Wichita really need picketing with demands for bullies to be fired and travellers to be respected.
 
 
+31 # Adoregon 2012-04-26 11:15
This is so far beyond the pale as to be surreal. If U.S. citizens had any guts at all they would rise up in protest at such an affront.

Power corrupts... Czech this:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110920121608.htm
 
 
+30 # Billy Bob 2012-04-26 11:21
These people are out of control and need to be reigned in.
 
 
+46 # RMDC 2012-04-26 11:23
This can't be about security or keeping anyone safe from terrorism. This is about training the american people to submit to every sort of intimidation and humiliation that the government wishes to give it. It is about making people afraid of the government. If they speak out or show any resistance, the TSA will increase it control and hostile treatment. You have to be quiet, cooperative, and silent in order to make them go away.

Too bad that we don't have any leaders in congress who would put a stop to the TSA by legislation and defunding. We don't need any TSA. As things exist now, any terrorist who really wanted to bomb a plane still could. TSA is only about harrassing, terrorizing, and intimidating ordinary americans or foreign travellers. A real terrorist could get around them with very little problem.

Why do our elected officials allow this to continue. They should all be voted out in 2012.
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-04-26 18:13
I agree with everything you said except the last sentence. What makes you think firing every elected representative wouldn't mean they'd be replaced with someone worse?
 
 
0 # RMDC 2012-04-27 04:24
Billy Bob -- you are probably right but it is just so hard to imagine someone worse. I'm having trouble these days imagining someone worse than Obama. I know Romney is worse than Obama but I just cannot reward Obama with another vote for his bad performance.
 
 
-7 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:03
RMDC: exactly the point! and we don't really know if Romney will be worse!
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2012-04-28 12:54
It hasn't gotten so twisted that it looks like something from Terry Gilliam's "Brazil".
 
 
+27 # jwb110 2012-04-26 11:35
If someone said that they would shut down the entire airport if my daughter was not restrained, I fear I would have called their bluff. There may be a child molestation suit here. Even in a DOctors office there are rules regarding female patients being unattended with only a male doctor in the room. A Nurse should be in attendance. No child should be unsupervised while being patted down by any agent if a parent is present.
 
 
+22 # Richard Miller 2012-04-26 11:39
I never did trust little girls....they grow up to be big girl and head organizations like the Dept of Homeland Security.
This woman is from my state and if it was my grand daughter, one of these fat ass TSA Employees would have ended up in a trash bin. We don't treat our children as terrorists in Montana. And we do not expect it from any other state.
 
 
+13 # Glen 2012-04-26 13:54
Quite right, Richard. I'd be willing to go to jail to put an end to such treatment of children.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-04-26 18:14
If you want to enter a plane they'll take you up on your offer.

The best thing we can do is boycott air travel. The airline industry can't survive on business travel alone.
 
 
+2 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:05
Billy: that is a very astute comment! Bravo to you!

I don't fly anywhere now, I drive if it takes me a week to get there...
 
 
+27 # qasee 2012-04-26 11:57
'The TSA says its officers followed proper procedures'; Right, on how to be a wacko pedophile.
 
 
+9 # Billy Bob 2012-04-26 18:15
Time to get rid of the procedure, huh?
 
 
+12 # humactdoc 2012-04-26 12:02
The TSA does not hire for good judgement and critical thinking skills. My experience with many front line TSA employees is that they memorize the rules and apply them without critical thinking, i.e. they are robots. But, I have also dealt with some supervisors that have and exercise common-sense judgement.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2012-04-26 18:15
Good cop / Bad cop.
 
 
+1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:11
humactdoc: Look granted we need security at the airports but they have the means of doing that without the physical pat downs... I mean get real explosives can be seen even in underwear today... and they can see through walls... certainly a physical pat down today is unnecessary!

but it has also been going on in the court systems now for years and there are no pat downs there!
 
 
+15 # Regina 2012-04-26 13:07
Why is it that employment in TSA attracts such vicious people as those who terrorized a 4 year old girl? Why does the management in TSA hire such cretins? What training do they get in people skills, separate from their procedural details? TSA is a federal outfit and we're paying for these creeps!!!!!
 
 
+11 # Billy Bob 2012-04-26 18:16
That kind of job will only attract that kind of person. Plain and simple.
 
 
+4 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:12
Just like law enforcement attracts a certain type of person...thise that will follow orders
 
 
-9 # fbacher 2012-04-26 14:37
The TSA has a difficult job to do and the procedures they follow are prescribed to them. They have a lousy job.

The question for us, is all of this really making us safer? Are porno scanners useful when you can shove a weapon up a secret, undisclosed body cavity like drug runners do?
 
 
+1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:14
fbacher are you suggesting a more invasive screening of passangers to inspect those body cavities?
 
 
+15 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-26 16:08
Dominate, Intimidate, Control-isn't that the new slogan for Homeland Security? 911,911,911-if the people would just wake up and look at the physics of the thing-jet fuel does NOT burn 'twice as hot as nuclear fuel'-it is jet-grade-i.e. purified kerosene-a hydro-carbon-if it could melt the steel in the Twin towers in less than 2 hours-why did steel workers need blast furnaces? Why did Giuliani have to send the conveniently broken to 20 foot lengths of steel from the Twin Towers to China and their blast furnaces? Either look at 911 Truth or enjoy your police state because the 911 Myth is the sole reason that you are undergoing this vilification with its abolition of your Bill of Rights!!
 
 
+2 # Capn Canard 2012-04-28 12:56
Anarchist 23, stop making sense...
 
 
+24 # Richard1908 2012-04-26 17:43
I have made this comment before, but people like me in countries other than America can hardly believe the grotesque nature of so much of your so-called security. Why are Americans accepting of this police-state behaviour? And has your country gone stark raving mad?
 
 
+10 # disgusted American 2012-04-26 21:56
Richard1908,

Americans are a complacent lot. Some like to rant and rave on blogs but don't get involved past that, but most are totally clueless or willfully ignorant.

Airports I've passed through in Europe don't do any of this. You put your stuff in the tray and pick it up after if goes through the xray thingy and that's it. And you don't have to remove your shoes and walk on filthy, unsanitary floors and then put the shoes back on.

Only in Amerika. Teaching people to line up, take orders and keep their mouths shut.

Get a good look at the attitude of the TSA jerk in the photo above. Wouldn't you love to slap this creep's face?
 
 
+5 # Regina 2012-04-26 23:38
Yes, stark raving mad. It's the Republican syndrome.
 
 
-1 # John Locke 2012-04-27 10:16
Regina I thought Obama was a Democrat. This is all happening under his watch...
 
 
+11 # CTPatriot 2012-04-27 03:24
To answer your question, see Germany Circa 1933 and read the book, "and they thought they were free".

You might also read "1984" by George Orwell. I'm pretty sure that is the instruction book that has been used since at least 2000 here in Amerika.
 
 
0 # Daniel1 2012-04-26 22:02
I have flown in and out of hundreds of airports all over this country (I have been in every state at least once and in more then 30 of the more then once) and I have never been groped nor treated rudely in any way. Now that is not to say that this does not happen. but once you show that you are willing to work with them to a point, they dont become defensive and in fact most of them are quite friendly. The bad apples like in the above story need to be removed ASAP but for the ones that try and do their jobs in a professional manner, they should be thanked.
 
 
+1 # Vermont Grandma 2012-04-27 21:51
I too have been fortunate in flying out of US airports. However, my good fortune doesn't mean that children and elders are being maltreated by TSA personnel all across the country. Of course a 4-year-old in an unfamiliar location who is treated rudely and aggressively after running to give her grandmother a hug will CRY, and be frightened. Any TSA employee who doesn't understand that shouldn't be doing this kind of job. Nor does this kind of conduct lead to children being confident that people in uniforms are likely to be helpful. Bad practice by TSA staff means our policemen and women have a harder job down the line...
 
 
-10 # MiddleAmericaMS 2012-04-26 22:10
This seems really overblown. Terrorize? Really?

So anytime an adult tries to control a child is that terrorizing the child too?

Come on RSN, you're better than this.
 
 
-5 # linda155 2012-04-27 08:37
Dumb observation -- the child was told to wait with her grandmother. Why didn't her grandmother comfort her and explain the situation to her? Why did the grandmother allow the situation to get out of control?
 
 
+3 # Vermont Grandma 2012-04-27 21:56
Excuse me! This piece doesn't say that the child was told to wait with her grandmother, but rather that she must sit down and be re-screened following her brief contact with her grandmother. There's no indication that the grandmother was allowed by TSA to do anything relating to the 4-year-old. Clearly the TSA personnel could have simply and calmly spoken with the little girl, drawn her mom over, and kindly asked her to go through the metal detector again. Problem solved, no one traumatized, no child screaming. It was not the grandmother who ALLOWED the situation to get out of control, but TSA personnel who were immediately out of line and out of control. For someone to threaten to shut down an airport if a parent is unable to get their traumatized 4-year-old under control, they've really lost all sense of perspective. And are demonstrating that they haven't the slightest ounce of creativity in dealing with little ones.
 
 
+2 # Michael_K 2012-04-27 11:42
I suspect that "the consent of the governed" is about to be very dramatically withdrawn very soon!

If I were Janet or one of her goons, I'd be busy planning my exile/political asylum in some country with no extradition agreements.
 
 
+5 # Not_a_Dim_or_Rethug 2012-04-27 11:47
"Brademeyer said she has filed an official complaint about the incident, and TSA said any complaint would be followed up by a customer service representative, who would give Brademeyer a response."

Customer service representative? A customer is one who VOLUNTARILY engages in a transaction, usually monetary, for a good or service. Fliers are not "customers", they are victims of TSA. More 1984 Speak from our fascist government.

(Note to NSA snoop reading this: Fuck you. Get a Life.)
 
 
+3 # Michael_K 2012-04-27 12:00
Quite right. Occupation armies don't have "customers".
 
 
+5 # Michael_K 2012-04-27 11:49
BTW... I hope you all realise that NONE of this TSA nonsense has anything WHATSOEVER to do with combating terrorism. It's a very cynical ploy to exploit people's fears. Fears promoted by governmental exaggeration and hystrionics. No self-respecting terrorist "pro" wohld stand on line for TSA screening. Not unless they planned to take advantage of the prodigiously expanded killing field provided by the TSA, right there, accumulating several plane loads of victims bottle-necked in the main hall, BEFORE security!
 
 
0 # colvictoria 2012-04-28 19:52
This makes my blood boil! This whole thing with the TSA is a complete joke. 911 was an inside job and there is plenty of proof out there by architects and engineers in the 911 truth movement. The Pentagon and the MIC were all involved and I am sure the sole purpose of the attack is to have the American people on board to go in and start a war in the Middle East. I don't believe for one minute there were any terrorists or any planes. Very clever of the Pentagon to drop intact supposed foreign passports of these "terrorists" onto the ground where nothing else seemed to survive.
I agree with other posts here. Drive,take the Amtrak, or take a Greyhound bus if you have to travel. Do not submit to these horrendous invasive, mind control, fear instilling practices.
 
 
-1 # Daniel1 2012-04-29 15:09
Puh-leaze, the 9-11 "truth" movement has been discredited so badly that they dont even admit to existing anymore. And how strong were they beliefs that the most ardent supporters were Van Jones (a disgraced former member of Obamas administration) Jesse Ventura (a former wrestler and Gov who himself became disgraced when he claimed to be in combat with the Seals, and yet his DD-214 and his military history folder clearly shows that he never left the US, so who was he in combat with?) and Alex Jones, a disgraced "scare pimp" who claims that there are FEMA prison camps all over the US and under what used to be Ft. Ben Harrison in Indianapolis In, a place that now has factories and apartment buildings and sewer/water lines going well over 300 feet into the ground with no evidence of any POW camp. Again how strong can your "inside job" beliefs be when Popular Mechanics completely destroyed your argument in one report. My MOS was demolitions in the Military and I know for a fact that I dont have to destroy a metal beamby explosives to bring it down as you claim, all I need do is heat it and it loses rigidity and strength. The weigh of the upper floors does the rest. And they found parts of the WTC well over 15 blocks away so building 7 was well within the path of the majority of it. Not to mention the video tapes from the gas station across from the Pentagon have been released and they clearly show a plane impacting. Busted for the umteenth time.
 
 
0 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-04-29 06:43
Attn: Covictoria, 9/11 was an inside job only to the extent that Cheney was part of a fallout shelter drill that morning and lied about where he was. And previously CIA agents who did their jobs right were demoted not advanced. There are many terrorists attacks around the world including the blowing up of top CIA officials by a terrorist whose cover was turning in al Qaeda members earlier to be killed by the US. Al Qaeda's goal for the US is to hasten bankruptcy thus corporate headquarters of contractors are never touched unlike US embassies. Al Qaeda doesn't want anything that would lead to a US draft because it is a cheaper way to fight. The sadist fact is that if the US did something to lessen greatly the march toward bankruptcy al Qaeda would try to make the US spend money like water again.
 
 
-2 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-04-29 07:52
If you googles "year old terrorist" one will find sites as young as five. Al Qaeda however is interested in bankrupting the US encouraging us to spend money like water. Embassies are targets but not corporate headquarters of contractor firms And al Qaeda does want to scare the US into a draft a cheaper way to fight
 
 
-4 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-04-29 08:27
A Qaeda trains kids as young as five as terrorists, remotely detonated terrorists include many who are mentality and physically changed.

One bit of good news is only the US likes football not soccer, so our football stadiums haven't been suggest to attack like a group of people watching a TV screen in Pakistan
 
 
+1 # colvictoria 2012-04-29 19:44
@RichardKanepa our US history clearly demonstrates how it has treated children. How many Native American babies slaughtered in all its wars against Natives? What of the African children who died on those slave ships on their way to the colonies? How about all of those children who died in the US war against Mexico? Do I need to go on with Vietnam, Korea,
Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, all wars in South America,current ly the Mid East, Libya, Sudan, Congo etc.....
Our infant mortality rate is nothing to brag about. Last I heard we were right next to Poland's. How about pedophilia running rampant as well as missing children and kids being sold into sexual slavery?
How about how we treat children with "behavior problems"?let's just drug them to death why don't we? Let's just dumb down all of those poor Black and Brown kids who attend public school by vaccinating them with toxic chemicals that ruin their developing brains. Let's feed them USDA food laced with MSG, hydrogenated fat, high fructose corn syrup & pink slime so they become obese and develop diabetes. Let's bring crack cocaine and heroine into our neighborhoods along with the guns so kids can kill each other and end up as part of the PIC. I hear private prisons are raking in the profits. Since there are no jobs lets have our kids join the MIC and come back in body bags after serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Al Q v/s USA on how it treats children? I'd say they are both atrocious!
 
 
-4 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-04-29 09:03
Quoting Adoregon:
This is so far beyond the pale as to be surreal. If U.S. citizens had any guts at all they would rise up in protest at such an affront.

Power corrupts... Czech this:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110920121608.htm



Adoregon,

I am glad you did some research . However research Al Qaeda trains children as young as five as suicide bombers, and also remotely designated suicide bombers that includes the mentally and physically challenge, Actually I was amazed by the number.
 
 
+1 # Adoregon 2012-04-29 12:10
I did Google: Al Qaeda trains children as young as five as suicide bombers

To exploit children like that is beyond imagining to most people. To screen for children packing explosives shouldn't be too difficult given the technology in use at U.S. airports. With their small body mass, any anomalies should show up.

However, the TSA needs to use some discretion as does Israeli security . Terrifying innocent children (in the name of security)is hardly better than corrupting innocent children to unwittingly perform hideous acts.

The crushing irony in all of this is how 9/11 and its fallout has resulted in an increase in fear and a loss of privacy and freedom. The fact that the actions of the (not "our") corporate controlled government has provoked peoples without sophisticated military technology to strike out at us as a society is never discussed. Creating and exacerbating a situation like this is a set-up to give free rein to global surveillance and repression.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
or
http://essays.ssrc.org/10yearsafter911/the-psychology-of-terrorism/

Now think Dresden.

And so it goes.
 
 
-2 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-04-29 22:30
 
 
-2 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-04-30 08:05
I got a flash of insight. Al Qaeda is so confident of US bankruptcy that it doesn't want to waist bombs on us, The underpants bomber was small change worth of explosives, and I just realized by using a dud they didn't even have to sacrifice the death of one reciter since the underpants bomber just sacrificed his I don't dare try to use a dirty word again on this blog.
 
 
0 # carolsj 2012-04-30 17:30
There are some things left out of this story that would clarify exactly what was going on. Why did Grandma set off the alarms? Was she actually carrying something that did it? Was racial or ethnic profiling involved? Are grandmas and little kids routinely considered terrorism suspects? There was no teddy bear. Where did they think the kid hid a gun? The whole thing is unbelievable. Maybe the agents were bored. Not enough real terrorists around.
 
 
0 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-05-02 09:52
Again Google suicide bomber with every ago starting with five and every sect of Islam except Sunni with Al Qaeda suicide bomber and with the word soccer.

Were the celebrants with knives and sticks celebrating a soccer match in Egypt al Qaeda in Disguise?
 

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