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Boardman writes: "There are those who would have bombed or invaded Iran years ago to make sure there would be no Iranian Bomb, and their voices are getting louder again."

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. (photo: unknown)
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. (photo: unknown)


Who Wants War With Iran?

By William Boardman, Reader Supported News

22 February 13

 

Major powers meet with Iran on February 26 - with war on their minds?

here are those who would have bombed or invaded Iran years ago to make sure there would be no Iranian Bomb, and their voices are getting louder again as another day of high level talks approaches. Even though Iran's Supreme Leader has spent years forswearing nuclear weapons, which he calls a "crime against humanity," skeptics demand proof that there's nothing to worry about.

The Iranian nuclear program, whatever it may be, is the only item on the agenda for the seven-nation discussion in Almaty, Kazakhstan, on February 26, and cautious optimism has been expressed by participants, including the United States, Russia, and Iran. Known as the P5+1 because the group includes the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States) plus Germany, the group is called the E3+3 in Europe.

Perhaps the clearest framework for understanding what the Iranian nuclear development program might or might not be is to keep in mind that the most intense claims that Iran is building nuclear weapons come from the region's undisputed nuclear-armed state, Israel. Much like Iraq's Saddam Hussein playing cat-and-mouse with WMDs he didn't have, Iran has cooperated with weapons inspectors only to a point of uncertainty as to whether the program is or is not military.

Iran is one of the 190 countries that have signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, which allows for non-military development of nuclear power, nuclear medicine, and other nuclear applications. Iran claims it has the legal right to enrich uranium as part of its civilian nuclear energy program.

Iran also claims that it has met its obligations to the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), although in 2005 the IAEA, in a vote with 12 abstentions, found Iran in non-compliance over its enrichment program (but even the Congressional Research Service was uncertain whether "non-compliance" constituted a "violation" of the treaty). The dispute had continued ever since, with IAEA inspectors getting inconsistent access to Iran's nuclear infrastructure. During 2012, four IAEA reports continued to provide inconclusive indications of a possible Iranian nuclear weapons program.

Israel Rejects Nuclear Transparency

Israel has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty and is a presumed nuclear power, along with other non-signatories who have nuclear weapons: India, Pakistan, and North Korea. In 2010, the IAEA sought to bring Israeli nuclear facilities within the safeguards of the IAEA, with only limited success, as Israel did not reveal all its facilities and has not yet done so. Estimates of the Israeli nuclear stockpile vary from 75 to 400 warheads, with 200 thought most likely, which Israel could deliver by missile, aircraft, or submarine.

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has suggested more than once that Israel might act alone against the perceived Iranian nuclear threat, telling the New York Times in November:

"If someone sits here as the prime minister of Israel and he can’t take action on matters that are cardinal to the existence of this country, its future and its security, and he is totally dependent on receiving approval from others, then he is not worthy of leading.…

"I am not eager to go to war…. I have been creating very heavy pressure, and part of this pressure comes from the knowledge some of the most powerful nations in the world have that we are serious. This isn't a show, this is not false."

Netanyahu first called for an attack on Iran at least as early as 1992, when he said the Iranians were only three to five years from producing a nuclear weapon. But warnings like that are much older, going back to the 1970s and concerns that the Shah of Iran might arm his police state with nuclear weapons.

In Jerusalem on February 12, Netanyahu again threatened Iran:

"They have to know that if the sanctions and diplomacy fail, they will face a credible military threat. That is essential, and nothing else will do the job, and it is getting closer…. This has to be stopped for the interest of peace and security for the entire world."

Iran Denies Nuclear Weapons, Rejects Transparency

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has often denied the existence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, as he did in 2008 during an interview with NBC anchor Brian Williams, when he also questioned the utility of nuclear weapons as a source of security:

"Again, did nuclear arms help the Soviet Union from falling and disintegrating? For that matter, did a nuclear bomb help the U.S. to prevail inside Iraq or Afghanistan, for that matter? Nuclear bombs belong to the 20th century. We are living in a new century ... Nuclear energy must not be equaled to a nuclear bomb. This is a disservice to the society of man…."

On February 10, Ahmadinejad, whose term as president ends in a few months, indicated Iran's willingness to discuss its nuclear program in bi-lateral talks with the U.S., adding, "You pull away the gun from the face of the Iranian nation, and I myself will enter the talks with you."

Ahmadinejad's superior, Iran's clerical Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, gave a foreign policy speech in February 2012 in which he said much the same thing about nuclear weapons as he had said before:

"The Iranian nation has never pursued and will never pursue nuclear weapons. There is no doubt that the decision makers in the countries opposing us know well that Iran is not after nuclear weapons because the Islamic Republic, logically, religiously and theoretically, considers the possession of nuclear weapons a grave sin and believes the proliferation of such weapons is senseless, destructive and dangerous."

Not being able to confirm reality, in either Israel or Iran, American and European policy makers tend, unquestioningly in public, to trust the former and demonize the latter. And now as the world enters the fourth decade of fear-mongering about Iran's "nuclear weapons program," some are ratcheting it up again in advance of the Kazakhstan meeting, with front page stories that start like this from the February 13 Washington Post:

"Iran recently sought to acquire tens of thousands of highly specialized magnets used in centrifuge machines, according to experts and diplomats, a sign that the country may be planning a major expansion of its nuclear program that could shorten the path to an atomic weapons capability."

If that assertion seems to have a familiar ring, perhaps it's because it's so similar in structure and content to what then-President Bush falsely stated, in his 2003 State of the Union address, now known as the infamous "Sixteen Words":

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Washington Post Works to Create Crisis

On February 14, under a headline about "the Iranian nuclear crisis," the Post re-hyped the apparent 2011 order of "ring-shaped magnets" from China as a setback to the "Western-led effort to slow or halt Iran's nuclear development" - even though the Post had no idea if the magnets were ever delivered or whether they were actually for centrifuges with a benign purpose.

Taking the Post reports apart on Consortiumnews.com, Robert Parry drew attention to details buried in the story that contradicted the breathless lead - that the centrifuges were old, that Iran had long since told the IAEA of its plans to build 50,000 of them, and that they were not some "major expansion of nuclear capacity."

Parry notes that the sole source for the magnet story was a private entity called the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), whose head is David Albright, and that

"Though Albright insists that he is an objective professional, ISIS has published hundreds of articles about Iran, which has not produced a single nuclear bomb, while barely mentioning Israel's rogue nuclear arsenal….

"The articles not only hype developments in Iran but also attack U.S. media critics who question the fear-mongering about Iran."

Albright has hyped the threat of weapons of mass destruction before: in 2002, when the Bush administration was lying the country into a war against Iraq, claiming that Iraq had "a clandestine nuclear weapons effort" as well as "chemical and biological weapons" - none of which was true. As Parry sums it up:

"A decade ago, Albright and the ISIS were key figures in stoking the hysteria for invading Iraq around the false allegations of its WMD program. In recent years, Albright and his institute have adopted a similar role regarding Iran and its purported pursuit of a nuclear weapon, even though U.S. intelligence agencies say Iran terminated that weapons project in 2003."

And Who Decides What Is Necessary?

In his 2013 State of the Union address, President Obama dealt with Iran in a single, misleading, and threatening sentence:

"Likewise, the leaders of Iran must recognize that now is the time for a diplomatic solution, because a coalition stands united in demanding that they meet their obligations, and we will do what is necessary to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon."

Since 1979, the United States has waged a long twilight war against its former puppet state with no apparent understanding of why Iran may still resent the U.S. for overthrowing Iran's elected government in 1953 and imposing one of the world's nastier police states on 70 million people. There is credible evidence that the U.S. has not only imposed economic sanctions that are tantamount to acts of war on Iran, but has also colluded in assassinations of at least five Iranian nuclear scientists as well as in cyber attacks on the country's infrastructure.

Secretary of State John Kerry suggested on Valentine's Day that if Iran's nuclear program is peaceful, Iran should have no trouble proving it. He urged the Iranians to make "real offers and engage in real dialogue."

Both the president and the secretary of state are lawyers, and are aware, most likely, that they don't have enough evidence of Iran's "nuclear weapons program" to show probable cause to obtain a search warrant from any fair court, never mind an indictment.

That suggests, to use Obama's words, that perhaps "what is necessary to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon" might be to stop attacking them.



William M. Boardman has over 40 years experience in theatre, radio, TV, print journalism, and non-fiction, including 20 years in the Vermont judiciary. He has received honors from Writers Guild of America, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Vermont Life magazine, and an Emmy Award nomination from the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

 

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+77 # Barbara K 2013-02-22 10:12
Absolutely no war with Iran. We don't need to be involved in another war now. We are still trying to mend our economy as it is. The Rs want a war with Iran at the expense of the sick and elderly. If the Republicants want a war with Iran, they can take their own families to fight it and pay if all for themselves, and leave us out of it. We sacrificed enough, it is time the Rs do some sacrificing.
 
 
+13 # robcarter.vn 2013-02-22 20:29
Its just American Jews and hoarding 1% like OWS argues. They all want wars to enrich US Corp more. But there is UK, France, Iran, Pakistan, India and North Korea with Atoms so are you going to war them one at as time after all you yanks have only bashed up and raped 65+ Nations in 60 years to help overpriced economic crashes?
 
 
+6 # Anarchist 23 2013-02-24 13:09
robcarter.vn: I would like to take exception of the phase 'It's just American Jews'. To say the 1% is perfectly just and covers all bases because Good and Evil are Equal Opportunity employers. I have many Jewish friends; not one of them wants war with Iran. But anyone can choose to join, what I think is acceptable to say, the Evil of the 1%.
 
 
+68 # Yakpsyche 2013-02-22 10:22
Its all just a huge fake. Beat the drums of fear. Be afraid, very afraid. Then you will go along with our plans. Atom bombs! Very bad! Evil! Kill, kill, kill. But its all fake.

Any war with Iran is really motivated by the desire to control the oil, benefiting the US petrochemical companies, the Saudis and Israel. We brought Iraq to its knees. The goal is control and influence over the whole area. Bring down Iran and there is no more competition for the Saudis, no threat of the oil going to China instead of us, and no more serious obstacles to the Israelis doing what they want.

Its not pretty, but you can't meet those goals by stating them openly, so a pretext had to be found. Here it is.
 
 
+49 # WestWinds 2013-02-22 11:10
#Yakpsyche:
The oil isn't going to the US or China or any other specific country. When all oil is pulled from the ground it goes on the commodities market so the fat cats can speculate (gamble) on and with it THEN it goes to specific countries (who have bid on it). The US has so much oil it was giving it away to China (to keep their economy tied to fossil fuel). Getting oil is only part of the pretext of war. The real goal is cheap labor forever; in other words, global domination for the purpose of slave labor. This is the big picture that PNAC and the rest of those like groups are after. They want perpetual slave labor and they want it out of US too. Have a good look at any feudal manorial system; this is their model. They want to take us back to the eleventh century where we are running around with a metal collar on (or an injected barcode chip) that contains a tracking device. What do you think all this "Security State" business is all about? Plainly put, they want us working for nothing, having nothing, being nothing, and having no say in anything.

It's amazing to watch people ignore what is exactly in front of them.
 
 
+14 # WBoardman 2013-02-22 12:45
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....
 
 
0 # fliteshare 2013-02-22 18:59
Excellent point.
But I see an upside. The remainder of Humanity is then free to work for Humanity. Lets not forget, all goods and services are derived out of labour and nothing else.
Neither do I need to worry about wasting my labour. Because I will refuse to work for those "chipped" and thus under financial control of parasite-class.
 
 
+2 # NOMINAE 2013-02-23 19:00
Quoting fliteshare:
.....Neither do I need to worry about wasting my labour. Because I will refuse to work for those "chipped" and thus under financial control of parasite-class.


I recently saw an article with a photo of a new "drone". This one is the size, shape, and capability of the common mosquito. It even has a "stinger". This drone, like others, is flown by a human pilot. The "stinger" can be used to inject nasty things into the "target", but the DESIGNATED intent of the "stinger" is precisely to IMPLANT RFID chips, subcutaneously, into the targeted individual.

That this drone is now photographed, means that it has been "out there" for awhile. I'm certain no one called the news cameras for the "Debut flight".

While I have to admire the bluster and bravado inherent in a statement such as "I will refuse to work for those 'chipped' and thus under control of parasite class" , that may all be easier said than done.

The government has been pushing for years now to get all medical files online. All bank accounts are already online. One of the "advantages" of a "harmless" subcutaneous RFID chip is said to be that, once it is tied to all records, you can't access ANY of your "stuff" (bank & medical accts, etc.) *without* the chip. The "tracking" chip".

So, never say "never".

We need to change the game ! The "old system" is not dead, but it IS slowly cannibalizing itself as a result of it's own greed.

To THAT I say: "Bon appetit" !
 
 
+3 # NOMINAE 2013-02-23 18:37
Quoting WestWinds:
#Yakpsyche:
The oil isn't going to the US or China or any other specific country. When all oil is pulled from the ground it goes on the commodities market so the fat cats can speculate (gamble) on and with it THEN it goes to specific countries (who have bid on it). The US has so much oil it was giving it away to China (to keep their economy tied to fossil fuel). Getting oil is only part of the pretext of war. The real goal is cheap labor forever; in other words, global domination for the purpose of slave labor. This is the big picture that PNAC and the rest of those like groups are after. They want perpetual slave labor and they want it out of US too. Have a good look at any feudal manorial system; this is their model. They want to take us back to the eleventh century where we are running around with a metal collar on (or an injected barcode chip) that contains a tracking device. What do you think all this "Security State" business is all about? Plainly put, they want us working for nothing, having nothing, being nothing, and having no say in anything.

It's amazing to watch people ignore what is exactly in front of them.


Wow, as much as it breaks my heart to say so, my people, the above post is correct in EVERY aspect. EVERY aspect.

We are in need of change that we haven't even imagined yet.
I applaud the work being done at OWS.
 
 
+27 # wantrealdemocracy 2013-02-22 12:35
It is not really about getting the oil, it is about any nation that has oil that threatens to sell their oil for anything but the American dollar. That is the reason for most of these illegal wars of aggression that our nation is involved in, but Iran is different. "Who wants War with Iran?" Israel! and Israel has great control of the government of the United States. They want war against Iran and thew want US to fight it.
 
 
+14 # Akeel1701 2013-02-22 15:53
Totally! and IMHO Israel has it's 'member' so far up America's "jaxxi" that the US is afraid to say or do anything that Israel doesn't like!
 
 
0 # The Voice of Reason 2013-02-25 11:44
So ... here's a thought: abolish the fuel economy, and there's no need for war. Cars are designed to waste fuel, and everything else runs on fuel, so the fuel sellers win. They are more evil than anything you can imagine. "For the love of money is pure evil."

Humans need mobility, we don't need to be taxed $20 every 100 miles. But we keep ponying up every time gas goes up like it did 50 cents last week, and no one complains. Fuel should be cheap and available. We should put the Oil Criminals and the crooked politicians they own in prison. ez pz. We should just say no to price hikes. Then you'll see war. We could call it The Pigeons Revolt.
 
 
+18 # Mrcead 2013-02-22 11:05
Please. Nuclear weapons are indeed so 1980's. Computer hacking is much cheaper and more effective and I do believe Iran has boasted having the second largest hacker army in the world and they certainly are motivated enough to use it.
 
 
+11 # Douglas Jack 2013-02-22 11:07
How to stop the next war through connecting with ourselves. Colonialism is the common institutional (school, church, media etc) indoctrinated worldview of the USA, Canada, NATO countries & Israel. Colonialism & all of its linear 2-dimensional technologies being imposed do not arise from the knowledge, experience & intelligence of 3-D people & biosphere. Colonial countries all have dysfunctional life-destroying economies, which rely heavily upon plunder & control of others in order to make up for these shortfalls. Imperial-colony can't control their aggression as it is found in every aspect of their existence. As colonists we can't simply "mend" our present 2-D economy. www.indigenecommunity.info

Its absolutely important that each of us reconnect with our 3-D 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') ancestry & knowledge of the biosphere. Its essential that; we understand the perversion-frag mentation of our worldview, which arose from the invasions of our indigenous ancestors from everywhere on earth. Listen here to this recent interview on Montreal FM radio CKUT of Aymara-Jamamadi -Apurina elder Roberto Zuazo for deeper sides of being human in a 3-D biosphere of intense bio-diversity. The interview starts about 4 1/2 minutes into the recording. http://archives.ckut.ca/128/20130219.11.00-12.00.mp3
 
 
+17 # reiverpacific 2013-02-22 11:46
Oil?
If you think it's gettin' expensive now, imagine what it will be like with the Straits of Hormuz blockaded, a bit like Nasser did to Britain, France and Israel after the Suez crisis, in response to their "victory" doing them huge economic and diplomatic damage in the rest of the world and eventually forcing them to retreat with their tails tucked up where the sun don' shine.
History is obviously no teacher to those short-sighted warmongers in the United States of Amnesia.
Let them choke on their own false bile!
Iran's theocratic regime needs to be left to collapse under the forces of the young freedom-seekers arrayed internally against the Mullahs; Ahmedinijad is just a mouthpiece for them and in his last term anyway.
And remember, sanctions never hurt the ruling classes and leaders, just the people as in Iraq, where the death of 500,000 children was pronounced "Worth it" by none other than the hallowed Madeline Allbright (Or as I called her at the time, "Madame I'm-Allright").
 
 
+23 # amye 2013-02-22 12:42
Same old folks screaming about the same old stuff! We cannot be this stupid to believe them again. Why would you believe proven liars?
 
 
+12 # RMDC 2013-02-23 04:05
I'm afraid that americans and their cowardly media are this stupid and vicious. Viciousness comes from stupidity. The war mongering and imperialist elite who run the US/Israel have the power to create public opinion in favor of a war when they are ready. They will "shock and awe" the world with lies when the time comes. All this is just laying the groundwork of propaganda.

The meeting will probably fail because "diplomats" will sabotage the talks as they always do. This will add to the case that Iran is intractable. In reality, Iran is perfectly willing to satisfy all the demands of the US, except for its right under law to develop nuclear energy and conduct nuclear research.

The American people are the stupidist population on earth. THey will believe what they liars tell their media to tell them.
 
 
+10 # cafetomo 2013-02-22 12:50
Gas isn't even five bucks a gallon, you pansies. Where else is an eighteen year old from West Virginia supposed to find work? Our military industrial complex faces cutbacks, just when blowing up hearts & minds is turning into such a growth industry. Wars always run on credit anyway. We'll be leaving something for our great-great-gra nd-kids to remember us by.

And so making friends, like last time.
 
 
+20 # mjc 2013-02-22 12:56
The question is asked...Who Wants War With Iran? and the most obvious answer is Israel. But of course Israel has never admitted to having nuclear weapons of its own or welcomed the IAEA in its country and it does seem strange that they are so gun ho for the US to help them SHOULD they decide to take out the sites in Iran where nuclear weapons are supposedly created. The question should be put to Israel: Why are you so determined to keep Iran from having nuclear weapons? Iran, formerly mostly Persia, has not attacked a single nation in about 200 years and the last warfare they engaged in was to defend themselves against Iraq. If Israel can be counted on NOT to use nuclear weapons of their own, surely Iran can. But it is one more piece of evidence of making words pave the way to violence that has nothing to do with world peace or prosperity.
 
 
+6 # DurangoKid 2013-02-23 09:46
What sort of war with Iran does Israel want? How about one led by the Great Goomba, Don Americano and his NATO crew? Short of that, Israel is just an irksome squeaking from somewhere in the Middle East. I think Israel's claims against Iran would hold a bit more weight if Israel joined the NPT and allowed inspectors into all if its nuclear facilities. Kind of like they're demanding of Iran. Not holding your breath on that one?
 
 
+16 # DurangoKid 2013-02-22 13:04
More to the point, the US demands global hegemony. Iran is notable for having refused to bow to the world's biggest mafia don. Ever notice how Pakistan and Israel might get a scolding now and then but Iran is the great global threat? Imagine what would be said of Iran if it carried on like Pakistan or Israel. Oil is important but it is secondary to fealty. The Don has decided to beat on Iran and the stick of choice is their purported nuclear "capability" regardless of what they are in fact capable of or intending to do. So, what will the 1% do? There's a lot of hemming and hawing. War with Iran wouldn't be nearly as easy as Afghanistan or Iraq. And then there's the issue of China. Best not to rile them up over something of so much bluster and so little substance. Looks like Don Americano isn't quite the goomba he wishes he were.
 
 
+22 # barbie 2013-02-22 13:10
George Bush went to war with Iraq to get the oil, he and Cheney and Rumsfeld can't go out of the country because they are war criminals, we have to make sure this never happens again.
And Bush never paid for that war, and we are still paying for it. It is time for a revolution. We need to make sure our young people are never sent to die for lies. Maybe we need to bring back the draft, that way, the rich young kids will be out there revolting against wars.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2013-02-24 14:24
Hmm ... Revolution? And what better excuse for the 1% and their police/homeland 'security'/ military toadies to use to lock up any protestors, or those they are having trouble controlling?
 
 
+22 # aljoschu 2013-02-22 13:52
Obviously, the focus of this council is completely off:
"Iran is one of the 190 countries that have signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferati on of Nuclear Weapons, which allows for non-military development of nuclear power, nuclear medicine, and other nuclear applications."

It is time for the USA and Israel to sign that treaty. Why are we all focused on Iran? This is absolutely hypocritical. It is the bullies trying to exclude the weaker kid from the sandbox. Ridiculous.

Iran is a theocracy - agreed. But Israel is also carrying religious symbols in their flag and emblem. Whoever prefers to worship other symbols has a problem there, as we all know. And an atheist would not become president in the USA in a hundred years.

So get off Iran's case. They have the same right to the bomb as anyone else - as long as Israel and the US are not signing the treaty. The rest is military darwinism.
 
 
+1 # heraldmage 2013-02-24 13:56
The USA is a signatory it just hasn't upheld its obligation. Which is the obligation of every nuclear armed nation to dismantle nuclear WMD, not to provide nuclear tech to non signatories & not to develop new nuclear weapons.
Th USA has done all of the above.
If there is a nation that is in violation of the NPT it is the USA.
 
 
0 # heraldmage 2013-02-24 14:09
Isn't over 30 yrs of USA sanction enough?
Just because Iran's natural resources are owned by the people and the profit's are used to fund the government and the needs of the people Iran is an enemy.
Of course the USA will also not forgive Iran for throwing them out taking over the USA embassy so the USA couldn't interfer in the development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Once the the government was formed and everything approved by the Iranian people they released the hostages.
BTW just recently Iran discover another reserve of Uranium so it has the 2nd largest reserves of oil, Natural gas & uranium, It also has gold,silver and other precious metals. All owned by the people.
Now you know why USA corporation are willing to make USA tax payer fund another war so they can increase their wealth at our and the Iranian peoples expense. But the Iranian people are not going to give up their democracy, the USA imposed brutal dictator is still fresh in the minds of the majority of Iranians.
 
 
+18 # nancyw 2013-02-22 13:57
The big American bully beating a hairy chest hollow of a heart.
 
 
+14 # geraldom 2013-02-22 16:19
It is my strong belief and opinion that the real reason why the U.S. wants to attack Iran is the very same reason why we attacked Iraq under the Bush admin, for control of their natural energy resources, or should I say our energy resources which just happens to be under their land, not their nuclear ambitions, although, if I were Iran, I would probably attempt to develop nuclear weapons like North Korea did just to keep us off of their backs.

The U.S. has had an armada of war ships sitting off the coast of Iran since the Bush admin and Obama, when he became president, reinforced that armada with even more ships. How would any of you feel if the powers to be had a military force not just sitting in front of your house, but actually surrounding it just itching to attack you for control of your property and your possessions? What would you do under such circumstances? You would do what you can to defend yourself under such a predicament, would you not?

What I find so ironic is that the very countries that obtained their freedom and their independence and their sovereignty from Russia in the early 1990's when the Soviet Union broke up, turned around and gave up that very freedom and that independence and that sovereignty to the United States and joined America's puppet army in Europe, NATO, to fight our wars for us, to lose the precious lives of their own citizens for causes that only help the U.S. and the large multinational corporations.
 
 
+8 # Activista 2013-02-22 16:49
most intense claims that Iran is building nuclear weapons come from the region's undisputed nuclear-armed state, Israel....
...Israeli nuclear stockpile vary from 75 to 400 warheads, with 200 thought most likely, which Israel could deliver by missile, aircraft, or submarine... made in Germany - deployed in Persian Gulf - Straits of Hormuz ...
It is NOT OIL - old NYT propaganda to cover Israel.. We could get oil from Saddam for much lower cost then we do now ..
IT IS Apartheid State of Israel ..
Article is very factual ... US, bankrupted by militarism can not afford Iran War ...
 
 
-12 # tahoevalleylines 2013-02-22 17:33
Biblically, the straight scoop in found: Genesis 12; Psalm 83 & Isaiah 17. Note modern identities of players shown, as do strategic think tanks. And don't think prophecy in not fulfilled, "self fulfilling or not"!

Not one of the learned and esteemed writers above would even consider suffering the inconvenience of returning American transport/distr ibution to the circa 1950 railway based model. Even knowing oil consumption could be drastically reduced, no such change of US transport policy could be considered.

So we will arrive the hard way- Israel shall be constrained from pre-emptive action. The dominoes line up like so: Syria hits Israel as a last gesture. Egypt, maybe some others jump on the bandwagon, hitting Israel a few hard blows. Iran joins in, -why not?

According to The Institute For Strategic & International Studies, things deteriorate in one of two ways: Israel, not hurt bad, trades blows tit-for-tat, and everyone goes home with a bloody nose and some scrapes. Iran lives.

OR

ISIS worst case goes like this: One or more of the countries mentioned in Psalm 83 uses WMD on Israel, with massive casualties, Tel Aviv is hit hard. No weak response, Israel may put Damascus off the map (Isaiah 17). If Egypt gets too enthusiastic about things, who knows- Aswan High Dam might be breached, per ISIS war scenario. And Iran? Reckless Mullahs should expect massive retaliation.
 
 
+7 # Activista 2013-02-23 01:40
Syria hits Israel as a last gesture?
Did not Israel hit/bombed Syria MANY times before?
Israel faces repercussions of air strike on Syria | World news ...
www.guardian.co.uk › World news › IsraelJan 31, 2013 – The "silence of the international community about Israel's bombing of Syrian sites in the past encouraged it to carry out the new aggression, ...
War on Iran is going on ALREADY - it is Syria - by ANY means - like TERRORISM ..
Syria car bomb explosion kills 53, injures 250 - Press TV
www.presstv.ir/detail/.../syria-car-bombing-kills-53-injures-25... – Syria car bomb explosion kills 53, injures 250 ...injured in a powerful car bomb explosion FSA - US/alCIAda, Saudi terrorists in Damascus.
... the same ideology of 911 NY bombing
 
 
+10 # rockieball 2013-02-23 06:18
So in Genesis the Hebrews who were a nomadic tribe invades Egypt and today write it off as a friendly migration ordained by God. In Psalm 83 it's a conspiracy against them and used as a reason for a preemptive war (sounds like Dick Cheney was alive back then). Isaiah uses the excuse of people not believing in the Hebrew religion to go to war. Today's religion is tomorrows mythology. The world would be better off without the Hebrew, Muslim and Christian religions. They have used the name of God to cause more death, pain and destruction than anything else and will continue to do until the people wake up and realize it's the 21st century not the 500AD. Religion has fought education and science because it supplies answers to the religious superstitions of the past. Tel Avie, Iran did not exist then. The Hebrews have used the name of God from the time of Joshua as an excuse to invade, destroy and kill, drive out of their homes anyone who does not believe as they do. So have the Christians, Muslims.
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2013-02-24 14:26
Iran = Persia, and before that Susa.
Let's stick to facts, please.
 
 
0 # karenvista 2013-02-23 21:04
We have built and paid for Israel's very effective "Iron Dome." What chapter and verse is that?

They are better armed and better protected than any possible enemy-and, of course, they still have us to fight their wars for them as fast as they can dream them up.
 
 
+1 # mjc 2013-02-24 12:45
The idea that any nation in or around the Mediterranean or Israel could hit Israel without SIGNIFICANT horrible war, including nuclear weapons which Israel has, is just plain nuts or off-one's-rocke r optimistic.
The world powers, even China and Japan, should be moving toward worldwide restriction on nuclear confrontation of any and every nation. If Iran isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons, then certainly Israel should not be either, nor Pakistan or India...OR the United States. The protection of ourselves and our progeny should be reduction of nuclear weapons but not focused on one country like Iran.
 
 
+6 # handmjones 2013-02-22 18:29
My fear is that our attacks on the various parts of the Muslim World will lead to solidarity. Then we are opposed by a huge, wealthy and nuclear armed force who probably have the balance of justice on their side.
 
 
+13 # RMDC 2013-02-23 03:56
"Much like Iraq's Saddam Hussein playing cat-and-mouse with WMDs "

Iraq did not "play cat and mouse" with anything. This is false. It was only what the American media said at the time. Read the UN inspector's reports. By 1997 they had discovered and destroyed 98% of Iraq's prohibited weapons. That's what the report said and that is what was found (or not found) in Iraq. Saddam told the truth; the Americans (esp. the Bush regime) lied. Don't repeat lies. They become history when you do.

There is no negotiation going on. The US will always move the goalposts so that it is impossible for Iran to agree to anything. This whole process is a build up to war. That's all it is.
 
 
+5 # Activista 2013-02-23 10:27
"there is NO negotiation going on. The US will always move the goalposts so that it is impossible for Iran to agree to anything. This whole process is a build up to war"
yes - would add that sanctions hurt/KILL civilian population - weak - children .. like in Iraq.
 
 
+10 # indian weaver 2013-02-23 05:43
War is the best way to make a lot of money for everyone related / involved with the Amerikan Wehrmacht. War is money first of all, which is rationale enough to be attacking innocent 3rd world nations for no reason, other than the money. The Pentagon is a fully fledged laundromat, its washing machines designed (read: corruption / revolving doors for military contracts) for $trillions of our dollars is "war", well - anyhow, any way and excuse to kill / torture / terrorize / maim / burn innocent people worldwide is fine. It's only the money, honey, we mean no harm... When one understands it is about money and personal wealth, then consider the obstacles to stopping this country from continued attacks on others for no reason other than the money. rots of ruck.
 
 
-15 # moafu@yahoo.com 2013-02-23 06:31
You think the voices are loud about stopping Iran from having nuclear weapons?!

JUST WAIT TIL THE HAVE THE BOMB AND YOU WILL HEAR A LOUD PRES. A-MAD-IN-THE-HE AD
SHOUTING AGAINST THE U.S. AND ISRAEL !!
 
 
0 # Rehmat 2013-02-23 08:20
The P5+1 has been continuing its charade under Israeli pressure which doesn't want any other nation in the region to acquire "nuclear capability" - because that would make Israel lose its "bully" status.

Iran gave away many of its rights to carry out its nuclear research under NPT. However, the Zionist mafia is not chasing Iran for its future nuclear bomb - but Tehran's support for the anti-Israel resistance groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizballah.

http://rehmat1.com/2009/12/13/israel-behind-us-iran-nuclear-conflict/
 
 
+2 # Walter J Smith 2013-02-23 17:07
It is difficult to say who is more paranoid about the Iranians having a bomb, while none of them have the slightest concern for Israel's chronic lying about Israel's nuclear weapons: The President of the US, The US Congress, The Washington Post, or Israel.
 
 
+4 # NOMINAE 2013-02-23 19:37
Who wants war with Iran ?

The self-same crowd that wanted war with Iraq:

1. The International Oil Companies.

2. The U.S. Congress backing the International Oil Companies.

3. Israel

4. U.S. Neocons backing every breath Israel takes.

AND, like the "WMDs" that never existed in Iraq,
and the attack on destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin (which started the heavy part of the Vietnam War, and which we now likewise know NEVER EVEN HAPPENED"), ............

This crap about Iran and the Bomb is exactly that. Crap.
Whether they do or don't have one is not even the point.
It, like the WMDs in Iraq, is the EXCUSE, not the CAUSE.
Can't they even invent an EXCUSE they haven't JUST TRIED ?

If we were *really* in such a "sweat" over a "rogue" nation with a nuke, North Korea would now be a part of the Arctic Circle. N. Korea has TOLD US that they plan to nuke us, (as soon as they develop a big enough sling-shot), and we are *perfectly* O.K. with THAT !

Oh...... did I overlook the fact that North Korea HAS no oil to GRAB ? Yeah ..... that, and the fact that Israel does NOT feel "threatened" by North Korea ? And that Iran is NOT a "protectorate" of China like N. Korea ?

Hey, maybe I'm catching on. Yeah.... I see, it's all starting to make "sense" now !

Our government has been manipulating the public via FEAR for so long, we are BOUND to get "burned out on it" someday. So what is Iran ? Code Purple Terror Alert ? Yeah ..... RIGHT !
 
 
-1 # Activista 2013-02-24 02:21
Kerry and Friends of Syria - Ankara, Cairo, Riyadh, Abu Dhabi and Doha ... get more money to terrorist .. 2 year war on Syria is proxy war on Iran. Israel can not afford to bomb Iran with its back exposed.
I have serious doubt that Syrian people (majority supports Assad) will be so easily defeated by alCIAda as Reuters War propaganda claims each day ...
 
 
+1 # Guy 2013-02-23 19:41
The Americans and their masters,the Israelis,are using the same old tricks,insistin g that the Iranians prove that they are not trying to build a nuclear bomb.This is impossible to do,if you are not indeed trying to build one,you can't prove a negative.The Zionists know this so the war mongering goes on forever and keeps the attention away from the genocide presently going on in Palestine.
 

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