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Excerpt: "The real winner in Wisconsin on Tuesday was not Gov. Scott Walker, but Big Money. And the real loser was not Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, but democracy."

The Walker recall election in Wisconsin was bought by Big Money. (photo: Teamster Nation)
The Walker recall election in Wisconsin was bought by Big Money. (photo: Teamster Nation)



Walker Spent 88% of the Money to Get 53% of the Vote

By Peter Dreier, Reader Supported News

06 June 12

 

ere's a headline you won't see, but should: "Scott Walker Spent 88% of the Money to Get 53% of the Vote."

Political pundits will spend the next few days and weeks analyzing the Wisconsin recall election, examining exit polls, spilling lots of ink over how different demographic groups - income, race, religious, union membership, gender, party affiliation, independents, liberals/conservatives/moderates, etc - voted on Tuesday.

But the real winner in Wisconsin on Tuesday was not Gov. Scott Walker, but Big Money. And the real loser was not Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, but democracy.

Walker's Republican campaign outspent Barrett's Democratic campaign by $30.5 million to $4 million - that's a 7.5 to 1 advantage. Another way of saying this is that of the $34.5 million spent on their campaigns, Walker spend 88% of the money.

Walker beat Barrett by 1,316,989 votes to 1,145,190 votes - 53% to 46% (with 1% going to an independent candidate).

Here's another way of saying that: Walker spent $23 for each vote he received, while Barrett spent only $3.47 per vote.

But the reality is even worse than this, because the $34.5 million figure does not include so-called independent expenditures and issue ads paid for primarily by out-of-state billionaires (like the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and Joe Rickets), business groups, and the National Rifle Association, which were skewed even more heavily toward Walker. Once all this additional spending is calculated, we'll see that total spending in this race could be more than double the $34.5 billion number, that Walker and his business allies outspent Barrett by an even wider margin, and that he had to spend even more than $23 for each vote.

In other words, business and billionaires bought this election for Walker. The money paid for non-stop TV and radio ads as well as mailers. There's no doubt that if the Barrett campaign had even one-third of the war- chest that Walker had, it would have been able to mount an even more formidable grassroots get-out-the-vote campaign and put more money into the TV and radio air war. Under those circumstances, it is likely that Barrett would have prevailed.

Pundits can have a field day pontificating about the Wisconsin election, but in the end its about how Big Money hijacked democracy in the Badger State on Tuesday, and how they're trying to do it again in November.



Peter Dreier is E.P. Clapp Distinguished Professor of Politics and director of the Urban & Environmental Policy program at Occidental College. He is the co-author of "Place Matters: Metropolitics for the 21st Century" and "The Next Los Angeles: The Struggle for a Livable City." He writes regularly for the Los Angeles Times, The Nation, and American Prospect. His next book, "The 100 Greatest Americans of the 20th Century: A Social Justice Hall of Fame," will be published by Nation Books in the spring.

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+54 # Barbara K 2012-06-06 09:36
Our elections are being hijacked by the Millionaires who want nothing but to control, rape, and pillage the rest of the country. So what are we going to do about it? How can we stop them? We better find a way or kiss democracy good bye. Don't ever vote Republican, they are already stealing all they can.
 
 
-19 # JackB 2012-06-06 14:50
Divine Barry has been traveling around the country on the public's dime raising funds. If one can believe the media (a risky thing to do) he will (or has) raised over a billion dollars. Romney is not expected to have that much. Soooo - will our election be hijacked by those who want nothing but to control, rape, and pillage the rest of the country. So what are we going to do about it? How can we stop them? We better find a way or kiss democracy good bye. Don't ever vote Democrat, they are already stealing all they can.
 
 
+75 # MEBrowning 2012-06-06 09:37
What I find profoundly sad about the Wisconsin election outcome is how easily the average American voter can be hoodwinked into voting against his/her own best interests.
 
 
+31 # LeeBlack 2012-06-06 09:38
Thanks, Citizen's United.
 
 
-14 # dquandle 2012-06-06 13:04
Don't forget to thank the DNC and Obama, without whose constant support this never could have happened.
 
 
+5 # paulrevere 2012-06-06 14:38
I contend that if the allegiance of the DNC, DLC, DCCC and o were to the left, they would not have failed to notice how deeply important the defeat of Walker is/was to WETHEPEOPLE in general.

Point of fact, they could have pressed with money and talent to defeat that creep...AND THEY DID NOT!!

One cannot fail to ask, to shout in utter frustration...W HY DID YOU NOT RESPOND TO SO HIGH A PROFILE OF CRETINOUS STRONG ARM REPUBLICAN'T VISCIOUSNESS?

A win for the left there would have put the 'd's and o in the drivers seat.

Personally, I think they believe that letting Wisconsin sink will create more fear on the left and thus a better turn out for the sellout o and crowd.
 
 
+4 # RMDC 2012-06-07 04:59
I don't understand the lack of support from Obama and the DNC for the people of Wisconsin. It goes back to Obama's failure to support the Wisconsin protesters a year and a half ago. Why did he not go to Wisconsin and make one of his great speeches to the crowds assembled in front of the state house? Obama is a great campaigner. Why did he not seize this moment.

The only answer is that Obama takes liberals and progressives for granted. After his election he has focused all of this energy on winning the support of republicans and moderate independents (the Reagan democrats and centrist republicans).

Obama could have lent his fund-raising ability to the recall Walker movement. But he didn't. He threw union supporters under the wheels of his campaign bus.

Republicans are organized nationally. They have created the conditions in which local politicians win elections with out of state or even foreign money. That's the game that politics now is. Obama is very good at this game, but he chose not to use his political capital to help in Wisconsin.

I predict that this huge mistake on Obama's part will cause him to lose in November. He has given the republicans a huge momentum and a huge understanding of how to mobilize people to vote against their own interests. The republicans will not let up their campaign; they will escalate and overwhelm Obama.

I just don't know why Obama and the DNC does not see this.
 
 
+43 # SundownLF 2012-06-06 10:11
So here's the aftermath of Citizens United. What we feared and worked against. How bleak our future looks...After all, as goes Wisconsin, so goes the rest of the country. Dark days, indeed!
 
 
+35 # Reyn 2012-06-06 11:26
Don't be ridiculous. Yes, this is a very unfortunate thing -- and I, who donated to the recall effort and reached out to all my WI friends am saddened by it.

And then you get up instantly, dust yourself off and go forward, ALWAYS FORWARD. They cannot win in the long run unless we let them. They are on the wrong side of history and they will lose - unless we give them the victory.

That's what we did in 2010 -- how many Democrats do I know who went "oh, Obama didn't do what I WANTED, it makes no difference, I'm not voting." -- I'll give you a hint, I can't count them on my fingers and toes. What was the result? The "Republican sweep" of 2010.

WAKE UP people. You NEVER win by giving up or pessimism or stopping. FORWARD. EVERY TIME, after every defeat and after every victory. ALWAYS. Stop grumbling, start organizing and fund raising for us for November, stop grumbling about Obama and start working for him. Leftward movement in the party needs to come from INSIDE THE PARTY, the same as Rightward movement in the GOP did. It doesn't happen because we take our marbles and go home. It never did, it never will and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong but self-destructiv e. Those are facts.

Sunday I will be on a national strategy call for Rob Zerban in WI CD1 who has already dusted himself off and now is going on to his own race against Paul Ryan.

Who will stop playing pitty party and be there with me?
 
 
+13 # michelle 2012-06-06 13:11
Thanks, really thanks for this post. You are right. We cannot just roll over and play dead although that is just what I felt like doing this morning. Horrifying so many of our citizens can be bought by the 1%. I imagine a New Age Oliver Twist where the Oliver goes up to the Koch brothers and says, 'please sir, can I give you some more?'

You are right and this no time to be depressed. I called and volunteered to work for two local democrats. One is at the state level and one Congressional candidate. If each of us reading your post can volunteer even a couple of hours a week we might just take it back.

Thanks again for reminding me that I am not powerless.
 
 
+14 # jimyoung 2012-06-06 11:27
Quoting SundownLF:
...How bleak our future looks...After all, as goes Wisconsin, so goes the rest of the country. Dark days, indeed!

Feels like what Sherman thought at Shilo where he said simply: "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" After a puff of his cigar, Grant replied calmly: "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though." makes me more determined than ever to do everything in my power to rein in my old party (nothing like the party that Lincoln and our Washburn relatives founded).
 
 
+20 # Craig Jones 2012-06-06 10:13
Demand a hand recount just to verify the results.
 
 
+18 # Saberoff 2012-06-06 10:15
What do mean "..trying to do again in November"? They WILL do it again in November, and they WILL keep doing it until the United States of America comes to its senses and realizes we are bought and sold on the corporate chopping block, and we are the closest thing to a Fascist state since Mussolini invented it.
 
 
-47 # Skeeziks 2012-06-06 10:27
This is what the U.S.A. is all about.
"Walker Spent 88% of the Money to Get 53% of the Vote" Live with it you prgressive liberals cry babies. Live with it. Dog eat dog...Yum. Yum.
 
 
+35 # MEBrowning 2012-06-06 12:18
No, Skeeziks. This is NOT what the USA is all about. The USA should NOT be about buying elections. The USA should NOT be about spreading fear and misinformation in order to garner votes. It should NOT be about suppressing the opposing side. And stop with the name-calling, already! Nobody's crying except for our country, which has pivoted 180 degrees in the last 30 years. If you can't see the creeping spread of fascism in this country, you're part of the problem. Dog eat dog, indeed.
 
 
+11 # Sophie 2012-06-06 13:09
You are really sick--get some psychiatric help. People like you do not even know what a democracy is supposed to look like. The only one who will be "eaten," are the wingnuts who voted for Walker.
So incredibly stupid.
 
 
-32 # BostonPundit 2012-06-06 10:33
I don't get this article at all. For a professor, let alone a "distinguished" one, it is amazingly sloppy and misdirected.

First, let me say that I am NOT a supporter of Walker. I had mixed feelings about the recall. On the one hand, given a chance, employers have shown that they will exploit workers and on the other hand, with unchecked power, union bosses get extortionate in demands and live high off the hog. BTW, Romney's company, Bain Capital, was investing pension and union money in an ironic twist.

But I digress.

The good perfesser goes from $34.5 MILLION to adding three more zeroes and making it $34.5 billion. He then says that billionaires bought the election.

One may lament that rich people contributed to one campaign or the other.

But, how did democracy lose? Here was the essence of democracy at work. An elected official subject to recall and he was able to keep his seat because more people voted for him than for the other guy.

Perhaps what we should do is say that the object lesson for all candidates is focus on raising enough money to get more votes than the other guy.

No, professor, this was a victory for democracy. 53% of the people, i.e., more than 50% said they wanted Walker to stay.

What don't you get about that? Should we change the rules to say that when the perfesser disagrees, 47% is enough to effect a recall?

Get real.
 
 
+21 # James38 2012-06-06 12:02
Dear Mr Pundit:

You say "this was a victory for democracy". You are simply, ridiculously, wrong. Advertising works. Many people are more impressionable than analytic. What we see here is a hugely disproportionat e imbalance in simple funding that drove major numbers of the impressionable folks into the Walker camp.

Had the funding been even nearly equal, the election would have reflected the will of the people much more accurately.

Your willful ignoring of this obvious fact just brands you as an ideologue of the teabagger stripe. Quibbling about the obvious simple error where 'million' got changed to 'billion', and your cutesy spelling of "perfessor" is just further indication of your devotion to using propaganda instead of honesty.

You obviously have no regard for democracy at all. Winning by any sort of manipulation is what you respect. Democracy requires a modicum of honesty and respect for others, even your opponents.

We desperately need to repeal the "Citizens United" ruling. That blatant power ploy obviates the meaning of the Constitution.

This whole mess just shows how incredibly hard it is going to be to elect decent people to any office. The rich and their corporations will stop at nothing to continue their drive to establish a total dictatorship of the wealthy in the US.

Elizabeth Warren also is in serious danger from the same flood of corporate money.
 
 
-10 # BostonPundit 2012-06-06 13:13
James38

"Ridiculously wrong"? Really? What is your basis for saying this? That you think people succumbed to advertising or simply are impressionable.

Okay, so people did not "succumb" to advertising by the Democratic party candidate? Or is it that 47% or so did "succumb" to the Democratic candidate's advertising and 53% did not?

Respectfully, the problem with your post, aside from being angry and rude, is that there is no factual basis on which you can rest your arguments.

For example, you are not in a position to say, as you nevertheless do, that votes for one candidate or other were cast by those who were more impressionable than analytic[al]. (I assume you meant analytical, not analytic.)

You characterize your conclusory statement that "had funding been even nearly equal, the election would have reflected the will of the people more accurately" as an "obvious truth." Just who are YOU to tell us what the will of the people of Wisconsin is other than as reflected by their votes?

Putting aside the epithets - calling me an ideologue and of the teabagger stripe (neither of which is based on any fact since you don't know me and both of which are false) - isn't it obvious that you are being entirely emotional and impressionable rather than grasping the obvious fact that the candidate whom you favor LOST?
 
 
+11 # MEBrowning 2012-06-06 13:56
BostonPundit, there were numerous reports yesterday of voter suppression in Wisconsin, as there have been in other critical states in the recent past (Florida, Ohio, others). Students, minorities and naturalized citizens are increasingly being "purged" from voter rolls. In nearly all cases, these are voters who lean Democratic. That ploy alone may have made the difference in Wisconsin yesterday, and it is one reason many of us do not believe the will of the people was actually upheld in that state.

Yesterday in the NY Times, I read a comment from someone in Alabama who argued that it's the Democrats, not Republicans, who have all the money, citing as examples the usual suspects: Bill Gates and George Soros. Where do you think he got that notion? He also suggested that it's the Democratic Party that's trying to keep the middle class down. That misinformation found its way into his brain, presumably through constant messaging via radio, TV, and other channels. That takes mega-bucks. He apparently didn't bother to do any legwork or research on his own, just spouted it all back. That's what happens when you throw millions and millions of dollars at ignorance. The same type of mentality exists all over the country, including in Wisconsin. So yes, thanks to Citizens United, Americans for Prosperity, American Crossroads, the Tea Party, and the miserable Koch Brothers, it *will* be harder to elect honest, decent people for any office from now on.
 
 
-3 # BostonPundit 2012-06-06 15:02
MEBrowning

Some of your points are reasonable. I don't know about voter suppression in Wisconsin, but if it happened, it is a criminal offense and should be prosecuted.

Without actual numbers, it is pure speculation to say that there was in fact voter suppression, and if so, the extent of it. The margin of victory was almost 172,000 votes. One would have to know if that many votes were "suppressed" and if they had not been, would all of those people have voted and, if so, for whom?

The statements of one ignorant person that the Democrats have all the money are, indeed as you say, a reflection of the great dumbing down of the country by propaganda. Hence, people who have no prospect of inheriting more than the exemption of $2 million are outraged by estate taxes because the Republicans have succeeded in calling them estate taxes.
Fox News has become a vehicle for right wing propaganda and the right wingers will say MSNBC is a vehicle for the left.
Fox is more successful in retaining its true believers (from what I can tell but I don't have facts and figures to back me up).
Citizens United is a whole another matter. It is not something that can be "repealed" as James38 wrote. It is a Supreme Court decision. Congress can pass another law that may or may not survive constitutional challenge. Or we can amend the constitution. Until then corporations and rich people can use money to broadcast their views.
 
 
+1 # MEBrowning 2012-06-06 16:17
Just out of curiosity, BostonPundit, which of my points did you consider unreasonable?
 
 
-3 # BostonPundit 2012-06-06 20:16
"Students, minorities and naturalized citizens are increasingly being "purged" from voter rolls. In nearly all cases, these are voters who lean Democratic. That ploy alone may have made the difference in Wisconsin yesterday, and it is one reason many of us do not believe the will of the people was actually upheld in that state."

You jumped from anecdotal reports to speculation to certainty. That is logically not reasonable.


"That misinformation found its way into his brain, presumably through constant messaging via radio, TV, and other channels. That takes mega-bucks. He apparently didn't bother to do any legwork or research on his own, just spouted it all back."

You cannot know this to be a fact. It is speculation.

"That's what happens when you throw millions and millions of dollars at ignorance."

You cannot know if the Alabama fellow was misinformed by this means or reached his conclusion on his own. It is not unreasonable for a person seeing Soros and Gates contributing to "liberal" causes to say there is money on the left. It IS unreasonable for him to say ALL the money is on the left.

"it *will* be harder to elect honest, decent people for any office from now on."

The supposition that people elected by the "other" side are not honest is not reasonable"
 
 
+2 # James38 2012-06-07 04:03
Dear Pundit:

Yes, many people are impressionable, and yes there was some Democratic advertising. However you are again ignoring the effect of the hugely disproportionat e amount of money spent on Walker's side. Considering that, I would guess that without the Citizens United distortion of this election, the outcome would have been neatly reversed, at 53% for Barrett.

If you willfully ignore the effect of Walker spending 88% of the money on this election, your conclusions are flawed.

In your subsequent post, you say "Citizens United is a whole another matter. It is not something that can be "repealed" as James38 wrote. It is a Supreme Court decision. Congress can pass another law that may or may not survive constitutional challenge. Or we can amend the constitution. Until then corporations and rich people can use money to broadcast their views."

You are correct to say my choice of words was inaccurate, but I stand by my obvious meaning. Your stance on "Citizens United" is simplistic and legalistic, and I reject it totally.

Rich people will probably find a way to "broadcast their views", but allowing corporations to act as "persons" means allowing the real individuals who control corporate funds to operate as "Super Persons". The Supreme Court is supposed to interpret the Constitution. In this case they have done their very best to obviate the whole meaning of the Constitution.
 
 
-2 # BostonPundit 2012-06-07 12:54
James38

No, I am not ignoring the effect of spending, disproportionat e or otherwise, merely pointing out that one cannot jump to conclusions based on that one factor alone. You admit as much when you say that you "guess" that the outcome would have "reversed" in favor of Barrett. But, as you say, that is merely a guess.

My conclusions are not flawed. I have merely stated that democracy is all about who gets the most votes. And in that sense, it worked. You and others argue, without empirical proof, that money caused the votes to swing in favor of Walker. I point out that this means Barrett did not either take the time to raise as much money, make as effective a pitch, or engender as much passion as the other guy.
You and others resort to epithets and name calling. One can look at the thumbs up and down tallies and get a sense of the bias of people on this board. Maybe the voters of Wisconsin were merely voting thumbs up and down as the readers here.

I'll respond re Citizens United separately as I have few words left.

Regards, BP
 
 
-3 # BostonPundit 2012-06-07 13:04
James 38
Regarding Citizens United, first, I have a question. Have you actually read the decision, meaning all the opinions?

The First Amendment does not state that free speech is restricted to individuals. It prohibits Congress from abridging the freedom of speech or of the press. It is not unreasonable to say that "speech" is peculiar to humans and not institutions, but there is a longstanding tradition of treating corporations as citizens.
It is not unreasonable to say that since corporations do not vote, they should not have a role in campaign financing.
But what about on matters that affect their businesses or the marketplace in general?
These are not easy questions and glib answers don't help.
I personally think that we need much more stringent limits on campaign financing. It makes no sense for a candidate to spend $500 million on a job that pays $400K per year plus perks. But that tells you there is so much more at stake.

This may be a flaw in our system with which we have to live because so far, suggested cures impinge on the fundamental system of democratic government.

You are entirely correct that those who control corporations get to spend the money. Perhaps the solution is to pass legislation stating that if a corporation is going to participate in election matters, it MUST spend as much money on expressing the viewpoints of ALL shareholders and not a select few.
 
 
+2 # Sophie 2012-06-06 13:19
Right on, James38.
 
 
+5 # Sophie 2012-06-06 13:18
You need to get real. Obviously, you have never attended college (or high school) because you can't even spell "perfesser." Whatever. So, it's perfectly fine to allow millions of dollars, much of it outside monies to buy Walker his recall. Barrett was outspent 7.5% to 1%. Buying an election is what Citizen United has enabled the wingnuts to do--courtesy of the recent wingnut leaning SCOTUS. Do you even know what elections looked like before Citizens United? And, then there are the electronic voting machines which have been hacked in the past in certain counties, of certain states--such as Florida and Ohio. Go to BlackBoxvoting. org to read the truth-- People like you will destroy this country by your willful ignorance and stupidity.
 
 
-8 # BostonPundit 2012-06-06 14:13
Sophie

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative post.
Perhaps you are correct that I never attended college or (high school). Perhaps not. I suppose to some it may be inferable from my writing whether I did or not. Yes, I did spell "professor" correctly in my initial post - twice. Look it up.
I am concerned, however, that you obviously never comprehended math if you did attend a math class in either high school or college.
You write "Barrett was outspent 7.5% to 1%." Well, perhaps it's not just math skills but comprehension skills that are deficient.
Actually, Professor Dreier already wrote that Walker spent 88% of the money. Based on $30.5 million out of $34.5 million total, that is close enough for union work.
The perfesser also tells you that Walker had a 7.5 to 1 advantage. But you have apparently mistaken a 7.5 multiple with "percentage." See what going to high school and college gets you? It confuses the heck out of the majority of your brain cells.
BTW, the perfesser was not entirely correct, it is a 7.625 to 1 multiple. But close enough for gummint work. Beside, who am I, someone who never went to high school or college in your estimation, to carp about stuff like that?
Facts are tough, eh? Barrett lost. Get over it. On to the next election.
 
 
+6 # Pancho 2012-06-06 14:33
Here's how democracy loses. Tens of thousands of students may have been kept from the polls as their residence changed at the end of their semesters.

If people didn't believe what they see on TV, we wouldn't have had Countrywide, Ms. Cleo, Lipozine and all those other scamsters and hustlers that come into our living rooms on the tube. They want what they see, and if the Kochs pay for their stooge Scott Walker to be on telly 24/7, they'll eventually believe the nonsense that they're hearing.

The bills that made it more difficult for legitimate, qualified citizens to vote, "Real I.D." and all that other crap, came from the Koch-supported American Legislative Exchange Council and were dutifully passed by ALEC's bought off (98% Republican) members.

You're beefing about a misplaced decimal or a typo while you're endorsing this worst contortion of the process since women, blacks and Indians were prohibited from voting in the 19th Century.
 
 
-5 # BostonPundit 2012-06-06 20:22
Pancho

You are not paying close attention.

You seem to believe that television advertising is the sole cause of major problems. Duh!

I wasn't beefing about misplaced decimals or typos - I thought the beefing was about my spelling of "perfesser" where I had clearly spelled "professor" correctly. The million to billion transition was not a typo - it is repeated in the article.
My reference to the "multiple" vs "percentage" was simply showing up an ignoramus who glibly asserted that I had not gone to college or even high school when she displayed ignorance about fundamental concepts.

The real problem here is that people who don't like the outcome make the leap to the conclusion that those who voted for the other guy are imbeciles or were bought or influenced by disproportionat e spending.

Maybe they really agree with Walker.

If so, the proper course is to try to change their opinions rather than accusing them of stupidity, dishonesty, corruption, or worse.

The vitriol here against people who try to have reasonable discourse is astounding.
 
 
+35 # Chuck H. 2012-06-06 10:41
The Supreme Court opened the bottle and the genie is on the loose.
 
 
+16 # keziahs 2012-06-06 10:46
Sad day for Wisconsin and 99% of Americans when 72,000 votes determine and define the future because of big money and the greedy 1%. This should be a wake up call for voters to not rely on television advertising but instead to become fully engaged on issues which determine the future of this country.
 
 
+3 # peace2012 2012-06-06 11:40
I have you a thumbs up, but unfortunately something is wrong with the website and it cancelled it out ot zero.


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+18 # Eliza D 2012-06-06 10:55
I'm so angry at the people of Wisconsin who voted for Walker out of schadenfreude towards unions and all their alleged perks. The real perks are going to Jamie Dimon and all his cohorts and our fellow citizens are just too ignorant to see the big picture. I guess we will all have to suffer for a longer period now, as benefits are reduced and salaries stagnate or plummet. Oh, to have Plato's government of philosopher kings! Yes, Sundown, it seems like a solar eclipse.
 
 
-15 # dick 2012-06-06 11:19
Like it or not, The Majority of actual VOTERS won. After the Great
Recession struck, Democrats gave no VILLAIN to BLAME (Obama's bankster buddies) & no workable response. Obama's TRILLIONS for Goldman SACK$ Trickle Down was one of the worst decisions in American history. Not so much TARP, but the EASY Monet that followed. Obama's Stimulus was a pathetic joke of a fraction of the TRANSFORMATIONA L Plan needed. Obama had election mandade, HUGE progressive majority in House, filibuster proof majority in Senate. He TOTALLY blew it. Discredited Party. Discredited Keynes. Handed America over to the T-Party & Kochs. Utter betrayal.
 
 
+15 # James38 2012-06-06 12:09
dick, you are singing the same tune as bostonpundit. See my comment answering him. It applies fully to you.

As to your nonsense about the Obama mandate, that is propaganda. Not that Obama is perfect, but he has been stymied from the beginning, and actually only had a clear majority in Congress for three months in the summer of his first year. That is not enough to get anything done. You are spouting inaccurate analysis and propaganda.

Support Obama and the election of progressives in Congress.
 
 
-7 # dquandle 2012-06-06 13:07
He is a cold blooded power hungry murderer and war criminal in the pay of Wall Street. He is a monster.
 
 
+2 # Saberoff 2012-06-06 11:21
I would truly like to know why my comments are not being posted. I do not recognize any of your issues with my (recent) post. Can you explain your/my problem please?


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+3 # Saberoff 2012-06-06 13:15
Thanks for your explanation. I like real people, vs....
 
 
+16 # TGIIM 2012-06-06 11:24
very much afraid for our country. IF romney now wins..God forbid! we will not only have Koch as the former state of Wisc. but will truly be the united corporations of America...and well, I once said I'd never work for a corp when I saw what they did to samll towns, rural american and family businesses...bu t every small company and hospital I worked for was bought out over time, and yes, I quit and moved on. ridiculous corp..within weeks of buyouts they always insisted I buy brand new office furniture and new carpet, paint jobs.. when the old sufficed..waste of money..that's just one example. just so glad I'm long retired and facing the last precious years of life..thankful to not just be starting out in this country of corporations.
 
 
+13 # koalawalt 2012-06-06 11:27
I echo MEBrowning's lament. I am profoundly disappointed in Wisconsin voters. Anyone who was registered to vote and did not should be barred from voting for life. Everyone who did vote, but voted for Walker, whether from gullibility or greed, should be profoundly ashamed. You were on the front lines in this battle and you failed us all.

+20 # MEBrowning 2012-06-06 07:37
What I find profoundly sad about the Wisconsin election outcome is how easily the average American voter can be hoodwinked into voting against his/her own best interests.
 
 
+4 # Saberoff 2012-06-06 13:19
Many worked long and hard "..on the front lines in this battle" that failed you all!
 
 
+4 # America 2012-06-06 11:31
What kind of result should we have expected? Obama did not support the Democratic mayor. He did not go to Wisconsin but sent Bill CLinton.
We are copping out when we blame the money spent. Let's be real unless WI folks are counry bumpkins which they are not they did not need the media or any money required media to understand the issues and voted with their hearts.
The great Democratic cause was defeated because our 'fearless' leader was not supporting the cause.
Wake up guys put the blame where it belongs.
Dark days are surely ahead with a leadeer that is 'evolving his ideas' whose real beliefs we are not sure of and who is letting us down!!!!
 
 
+15 # AMLLLLL 2012-06-06 12:24
Walker had months to run ads with false and misleading information not pushed back on. He keeps claiming 30k jobs gained when the Board of Labor Statistics said he LOST 30k jobs, mostly public sector. Let's see how he survives the indictment coming.
 
 
+4 # Saberoff 2012-06-06 13:27
Yes, let us see about the indictment, but if/when Walker is arrested/remove d, the other mindless sychophant, Rebecca Kleefisch, takes the throne.

People in Wisconsin are talking about fighting on.
 
 
-19 # jimattrell 2012-06-06 12:42
Here's another headline you won't see..... Most of Walker's out of state financial support came from average Americans like me who are tired of Union bully's.
 
 
+3 # susan ives 2012-06-06 12:53
Well, I'm very disappointed, of course. But this election received tremendous coverage in the national press and presumably in Wisconsin as well. One would need to live in a cave not to hear about it and what was at stake. I question if the problem really is that we were vastly out spent and therefore unable to mobilize our voters, or that voters didn't care enough to go to turn out because they are sick to death of the whole process and no longer believe that we live in a democracy or that their vote matters. Perhaps the failure to recall Walker isn't because our team lacked enough money, rather it's about the cynicism that comes from there being too much money in the election process and distain for those who run for office.
 
 
+3 # dquandle 2012-06-06 13:03
Obama and the DNC didn't even bother to support "their" candidate. They couldn't care less about "their" constituents.
They actively support Walker's agenda.

Obama should enlist Walker as his 2012 running mate. They share the same fascist anti-citizen ideology. Obama could revel in the ultimate bipartisan compromise.
 
 
-6 # dick 2012-06-06 13:56
His side was MORE COMMITTED to winning. Quit whining. Decide before Nov, do you want to win or do you want to whine? National Democrats & progressives do not adequately fund anti-Walker campaign, among other things. QUIT whining.
 
 
+7 # Kayjay 2012-06-06 14:16
Hey guys... kudos to the idea and belief of never saying uncle to these corporate bastards. This is what a working fascist society does. It operates under the guise of a democracy, only to steer the boat toward the interests of its biggest contributors. In response more of us need to work hard to rescind Citizens united. It's a long slow uphill fight/slog. But the Kochs' of the world assume we will give in and quit. Don't take the easy way out, don't wave the white flag, don't buy their crap!!!
 
 
+6 # WestWinds 2012-06-06 14:52
This is a really sad commentary on the way we conduct ourselves here in America. It is no small wonder why the rest of the world looks on in shock and awe at the chaos and corruption we have given ourselves over to. I used to think Americans just needed to wake up and we'd get fixed; now, with the Walker recall, I know that people out there WANT corruption, want lousy pay and poverty, have no regard for their health, want an uber hierarchy that calls all the shots, want no freedom, wants the courts to be dysfunctional, wants lying, cheating and stealing to be the way we do business. Thirty years of trickle-down economics and no education has given us a rare from of hard-headed bizarro world that leaves one wondering how could this holocaust ever have happened here.
 
 
+1 # Dion Giles 2012-06-07 08:44
[quote name="WestWinds "] "It is no small wonder why the rest of the world looks on in shock and awe at the chaos and corruption we have given ourselves over to."

I live in the rest of the world and I must say I look on the very existence of recall elections and binding citizen-initiat ed referenda (BCIR) with awe rather than shock. Everywhere outside Switzerland and about half of the American States the best we can expect is the 99% elect them, the 1% buy them. We never get to decide any ISSUE by democratic vote. Sure the result in Wisconsin was deplorable, and a vast amount of money went into buying it, but it costs the 1% a lot more to buy a ballot result than it does to buy the elected representatives no matter WHO they are. More strength to democracy - hope people work to spread it to the rest of the states and to the national sphere. Imagine - BCIRs on the fascist laws, on colonial wars, on massive bailouts to the bankers. The national conversation would be about a lot better things than how bad this or that candidate is.
 
 
+3 # tadn54 2012-06-06 16:01
Walker supporters are either intentionally blind and deaf, or just plain ignorant.
Their defense of this egomaniac and money-whore is that he had the courage to stand-up to the public sector unions and cut education, drastically. If he truly had any guts whatsoever, he would have asked his wealthy pals to live without that extra yacht or two, and realize that there are kids suffering in their state. It amazes me the brazen disregard for other people not of their ilk that Republicans have---and they don't give a damn.


"Capatalism is much too hard for the poor, women, the handicapped, minorities, children, gays, and anyone else that rich white men don't care too much about".
Kurt Vonnegut
 
 
+1 # Dion Giles 2012-06-06 23:36
[quote name="WestWinds "] "It is no small wonder why the rest of the world looks on in shock and awe at the chaos and corruption we have given ourselves over to."

I live in the rest of the world and I must say I look on the very existence of recall elections and binding citizen-initiat ed referenda (BCIR) with awe rather than shock. Everywhere outside Switzerland and about half of the American States the best we can expect is the 99% elect them, the 1% buy them. We never get to decide any ISSUE by democratic vote. Sure the result in Wisconsin was deplorable, and a vast amount of money went into buying it, but it costs the 1% a lot more to buy a ballot result than it does to buy decisions by the elected representatives no matter WHO they are. More strength to democracy - hope people work to spread it to the rest of the states and to the national sphere. Imagine - BCIRs on the fascist laws, on colonial wars, on massive bailouts to the bankers. The national conversation would be about a lot better things than how bad this or that candidate is.
 
 
+8 # Doll 2012-06-06 16:10
The state of Wisconsin is now a wholy owned subsiduary of the Koch Bros.

They bought and paid for it.
 
 
+5 # walt 2012-06-06 19:31
An important question might be this: Why does money influence our elections?

The answer lies in the money spent in campaign advertising with the corporately owned media on which mindless Americans rely for their political views.
 
 
+3 # Willman 2012-06-06 20:09
Now all the big money guys are gonna want something for their "investment"
They own Walker lock stock and barrel.
 

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