FB Share
Email This Page
add comment
Print

Lakoff writes: "Yes, global warming systemically caused Hurricane Sandy - and the Midwest droughts and the fires in Colorado and Texas, as well as other extreme weather disasters around the world. Let's say it out loud, it was causation, systemic causation."

Residents in Little Ferry, N.J., were rescued from flood waters. (photo: Adam Hunger/Reuters)
Residents in Little Ferry, N.J., were rescued from flood waters. (photo: Adam Hunger/Reuters)


Global Warming Systemically Caused Hurricane Sandy

By George Lakoff, Reader Supported News

30 October 12


Reader Supported News | Perspective

 

es, global warming systemically caused Hurricane Sandy - and the Midwest droughts and the fires in Colorado and Texas, as well as other extreme weather disasters around the world. Let's say it out loud, it was causation, systemic causation.

Systemic causation is familiar. Smoking is a systemic cause of lung cancer. HIV is a systemic cause of AIDS. Working in coal mines is a systemic cause of black lung disease. Driving while drunk is a systemic cause of auto accidents. Sex without contraception is a systemic cause of unwanted pregnancies.

There is a difference between systemic and direct causation. Punching someone in the nose is direct causation. Throwing a rock through a window is direct causation. Picking up a glass of water and taking a drink is direct causation. Slicing bread is direct causation. Stealing your wallet is direct causation. Any application of force to something or someone that always produces an immediate change to that thing or person is direct causation. When causation is direct, the word cause is unproblematic.

Systemic causation, because it is less obvious, is more important to understand. A systemic cause may be one of a number of multiple causes. It may require some special conditions. It may be indirect, working through a network of more direct causes. It may be probabilistic, occurring with a significantly high probability. It may require a feedback mechanism. In general, causation in ecosystems, biological systems, economic systems, and social systems tends not to be direct, but is no less causal. And because it is not direct causation, it requires all the greater attention if it is to be understood and its negative effects controlled.

Above all, it requires a name: systemic causation.

Global warming systemically caused the huge and ferocious Hurricane Sandy. And consequently, it systemically caused all the loss of life, material damage, and economic loss of Hurricane Sandy. Global warming heated the water of the Gulf and Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean, resulting in greatly increased energy and water vapor in the air above the water. When that happens, extremely energetic and wet storms occur more frequently and ferociously. These systemic effects of global warming came together to produce the ferocity and magnitude of Hurricane Sandy.

The precise details of Hurricane Sandy cannot be predicted in advance, any more than when, or whether, a smoker develops lung cancer, or sex without contraception yields an unwanted pregnancy, or a drunk driver has an accident. But systemic causation is nonetheless causal.

Semantics matters. Because the word cause is commonly taken to mean direct cause, climate scientists, trying to be precise, have too often shied away from attributing causation of a particular hurricane, drought, or fire to global warming. Lacking a concept and language for systemic causation, climate scientists have made the dreadful communicative mistake of retreating to weasel words. Consider this quote from "Perception of climate change," by James Hansen, Makiko Sato, and Reto Ruedy, Published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences:

...we can state, with a high degree of confidence, that extreme anomalies such as those in Texas and Oklahoma in 2011 and Moscow in 2010 were a consequence of global warming because their likelihood in the absence of global warming was exceedingly small.

The crucial words here are high degree of confidence, anomalies, consequence, likelihood, absence, and exceedingly small. Scientific weasel words! The power of the bald truth, namely causation, is lost.

This no small matter because the fate of the earth is at stake. The science is excellent. The scientists' ability to communicate is lacking. Without the words, the idea cannot even be expressed. And without an understanding of systemic causation, we cannot understand what is hitting us.

Global warming is real, and it is here. It is causing - yes, causing - death, destruction, and vast economic loss. And the causal effects are getting greater with time. We cannot merely adapt to it. The costs are incalculable. What we are facing is huge. Each day, the amount of extra energy accumulating via the heating of the earth is the equivalent of 400,000 Hiroshima atomic bombs. Each day!

Because the earth itself is so huge, this energy is distributed over the earth in a way that is not immediately perceptible by our bodies - only a fraction of a degree each day. But the accumulation of total heat energy over the earth is increasing at an astronomical rate, even though the temperature numbers look small locally - 0.8 degrees Celsius so far. If we hit 2.0 degrees Celsius, as we may before long, the earth - and the living things on it - will not recover. Because of ice melt, the level of the oceans will rise 45 feet, while huge storms, fires, and droughts get worse each year.

The international consensus is that by 2.0 degrees Celsius, all civilization would be threatened if not destroyed.

What would it take to reach a 2.0 degrees Celsius increase over the whole earth? Much less than you might think. Consider the amount of oil already drilled and stored by Exxon Mobil alone. If that oil were burned, the temperature of the earth would pass 2.0 degree Celsius, and those horrific disasters would come to pass.

The value of Exxon Mobil - its stock price - resides in its major asset, its stored oil. Because the weather disasters arising from burning that oil would be so great that we would have to stop burning. That's just Exxon Mobil's oil. The oil stored by all the oil companies everywhere would, if burned, destroy civilization many times over.

Another way to comprehend this, as Bill McKibben has observed, is that most of the oil stored all over the earth is worthless. The value of oil company stock, if Wall St. were rational, would drop precipitously. Moreover, there is no point in drilling for more oil. Most of what we have already stored cannot be burned. More drilling is pointless.

Are Bill McKibben's and James Hansen's numbers right? We had better have the science community double-check the numbers, and fast.

Where do we start? With language. Add systemic causation to your vocabulary. Communicate the concept. Explain to others why global warming systemically caused the enormous energy and size of Hurricane Sandy, as well as the major droughts and fires. Email your media whenever you see reporting on extreme weather that doesn't ask scientists if it was systemically caused by global warming.

Next, enact fee and dividend, originally proposed by Peter Barnes at Sky Trust and introduced as Senate legislation as the KLEAR Act by Maria Cantwell and Susan Collins. More recently, legislation called fee and dividend has been proposed by James Hansen and introduced in the House by representatives John B, Larson and Bob Inglis.

Next. Do all we can to move to alternative energy worldwide as soon as possible.



Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

 

Comments   

We are concerned about a recent drift towards vitriol in the RSN Reader comments section. There is a fine line between moderation and censorship. No one likes a harsh or confrontational forum atmosphere. At the same time everyone wants to be able to express themselves freely. We'll start by encouraging good judgment. If that doesn't work we'll have to ramp up the moderation.

General guidelines: Avoid personal attacks on other forum members; Avoid remarks that are ethnically derogatory; Do not advocate violence, or any illegal activity.

Remember that making the world better begins with responsible action.

- The RSN Team

 
-51 # SMoonz 2012-10-30 12:37
Or maybe it was HAARP...
 
 
+5 # Glen 2012-10-30 16:55
You got a lot of thumbs down SMoonz, but I think that is because folks don't recognize the reality of that program. Countries on this planet have accused the U.S. of using that program to manipulate their weather with good reason.

Folks don't realize the extent of technology in the effort of the U.S. to control the planet. That is not hysteria or misinformation.
 
 
+4 # SMoonz 2012-10-31 12:31
Unfortunately HAARP is seen as a sci-fi made up conspiracy theorist's fantasy but the reality is that it may be very real.

You are very right about other countries recognizing this program and showing concern over it.

I don't expect most people to know about the program or take it seriously but I threw it out there to get some discussion going and maybe more people can look into it with an open mind.
 
 
+3 # Glen 2012-10-31 14:25
Folks should have had a brain alert the minute voting was brought up, or the lack thereof, due to this storm. Those comments were immediate before the storm moved ashore. On another thread I mentioned generators, as if that had never occurred to the news media or residents.

It will be increasingly difficult to differentiate between natural changes in the weather and human manipulation.
 
 
+4 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-10-31 07:27
The author of this article appears to want us to do some critical thinking. And, question asking is very necessary, if we are to avoid jumping aboard false premises.

Question asking/truthful investgaring into both HAARP. I was amazed at what I accidentally overheard as two govt. agents discussed weather control satellites. I confirmed their existence with a retired rear admiral friend.

And questions/inves tigation is also needed into experimentation with chemical additives in atmosphere/wate r for weather manipulation and any and all other purposes.

Also needed, no assumptions re. fires. Certainly, global warming/drought were involved. But, what else?

Here in Colorado, a number of very honest firefighters and cops have verified to me that not one of this past season's fires here was accidental. All set with a purpose. Time plus for real McCoy investigation.
 
 
+5 # Glen 2012-10-31 11:13
ritaague, I taught higher order thinking skills and believe in that critical thinking you mention. It is a mistake to be too literal and to not question events, especially in light of many questionable events over recent years.

Many authors have been laughed at for questioning, as well as for warning, just as Michael Critchton was.

The HAARP facility, by the bye, may be seen on google earth.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 20:38
Same with California I guess our paying for the FEMA Insurance will continue
 
 
+6 # portiz 2012-10-31 18:35
I get very irritated by the deniers who exploit the idea that 'no one particular storm can be said to have been caused by climate change' to claim that GCC is not real. It's like saying that 'since a particular cigarette can't be blamed for a lung cancer, tobacco is safe'. :-/
 
 
-1 # BobboMax 2012-10-31 23:04
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
"According to HAARP's management, the project strives for openness, and all activities are logged and publicly available. Scientists without security clearances, even foreign nationals, are routinely allowed on site. The HAARP facility regularly (once a year on most years according to the HAARP home page) hosts open houses, during which time any civilian may tour the entire facility. In addition, scientific results obtained with HAARP are routinely published in major research journals (such as Geophysical Research Letters, or Journal of Geophysical Research), written both by university scientists (American and foreign) or by U.S. Department of Defense research lab scientists. Each summer, the HAARP holds a summer school for visiting students, including foreign nationals, giving them an opportunity to do research with one of the world's foremost research instruments." Not that Wikipedia is a totally reliable source, but neither is SMoonz.


So, SMoonz, would you explain why the good ol' US Government would be using HAARP to create events like Sandy?
 
 
+3 # Glen 2012-11-01 06:30
Controlling the weather is power. Power means winning various wars, whether literal or economic. Destroy a huge swath of a country and you may cripple them economically. Generals have used the weather to favor a particular battle many times, just as they use the dark of night.

There is no way of knowing whether or not the government caused anything this time around, but it is possible to do that.

In truth, the HAARP program has been very secretive and is located in an isolated area. It may be that they are open to various organizations and students and such, but that does rule using the program with ulterior motives.

After all, even Hitler was mannerly.
 
 
+48 # universlman 2012-10-30 12:39
Right on - this is why the energy companies need more "energy voters" to support them.

The only thing missing from the avalanche of ads by the energy companies is any mention of the atmosphere in which their product must burn. Hopefully we are not all energy voters who obviously get most of their education from the TV.
 
 
-185 # holisticpsych 2012-10-30 12:43
God is in control of climate. If you don't want to acknowledge His existence or His right to control the earth He created, I guess Al Gore's "science" is comforting to you in some weird way. But hiding behind this myth doesn't change the facts. God is in control. He loves you!
 
 
+87 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 13:23
Well maybe God is punishing Us because We destroyed His Creation. Maybe God would appreciate it if We'd do something to reverse global warming.

Do You think God is in charge of Our health as well? Do You go to a doctor? By Your logic, going to a doctor would be sacriligious.
 
 
+45 # Gere 2012-10-30 13:28
[quote name="holisticp sych"]...Smokin g is a systemic cause of lung cancer. HIV is a systemic cause of AIDS. Working in coal mines is a systemic cause of black lung disease. Driving while drunk is a systemic cause of auto accidents....." I would add overeating is a systemic cause of hear disease. We now know God has shown us these are ways to change our lives. He has also included showing us through the work of 97% of climate scientist that adding more fossil fuel derived carbon to the atmosphere has caused recent disasters related to catastrophic weather.

I trusted God to show us His Way and He did! I don't smoke, I don't overeat, I don't drink and drive and adding to the long list I work every day to help create an economic alternative to using fossil fuels as a source for energy.

I am also an Energy for Life Voter.
 
 
-5 # Doubter 2012-10-30 14:25
"He loves you!"
Loves me to death!

Seriously, some of you have an inflated opinion of humanity. We are less than some mold staining the surface of a very small billiard ball - in the grand scheme of things.
 
 
+26 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 16:26
You're probably right. I still think it's good for us microorganisms to take care of each other.
 
 
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 20:46
I must agree that there is a good percentage that are that stain. I Believe in Humanity, there is some in all of us. Finding it can be a Life's Journey
 
 
+43 # WolfTotem 2012-10-30 15:50
Control… control… control… Three times "control", and twice “God is in control”… Do you think God’s in control of YOU when you write what you do?
Then that spiel about “His right to control the earth He created”. None of this squares with the Bible or anything else. You do your religion and the God you worship a grave disservice.

If you want to talk about God, go study basic theology, what a “myth” is, plus notions like “freedom of choice” and all the biblical dialogues between God and man: why He asked Adam (Gen. 3:8-10) “Where are you?” or Cain where his brother Abel was. Did God “control” the brothers’ parents when they disobeyed Him? Did He “control” Cain when he killed Abel? Did He “control” every thought, word and deed against His will – with which the book is filled from end to end? Try reading Job for a start.

Your writing diminishes the deity you worship – as though He were some sublunary demiurge with a wristwatch whose business was to create and “control” this speck of dust on which we live, lost amidst endless universes.

Weirdest of all, you insist “God’s in control” while advocating zero control over human actions… It's as though you asked Him "Am I earth's keeper?"
 
 
+11 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 17:53
Another great comment!
 
 
+30 # Regina 2012-10-30 16:16
Ben Franklin was right: "God helps those who help themselves." God also gave us brains -- we had better learn to use them.
 
 
+2 # ER444 2012-10-30 17:03
You are kidding, right ???
 
 
+2 # DLT888 2012-10-30 17:29
We are in control of our own environment. We punish ourselves from breaking Divine laws and respecting nature.
 
 
+5 # Kimc 2012-10-30 22:11
Your information about God is obsolete. God retired from the control part of His job some time ago. He only intervenes spiritually -- we are His hands and if something is to be done about this looming disaster, we must do it ourselves. God watches and weeps for us.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 20:49
We are the Nursery School that went astray...there is no more glint in those eyes.
 
 
+5 # robniel 2012-10-31 09:31
Quoting holisticpsych:
God is in control of climate. If you don't want to acknowledge His existence or His right to control the earth He created, I guess Al Gore's "science" is comforting to you in some weird way. But hiding behind this myth doesn't change the facts. God is in control. He loves you!


It seems your invisible imaginary friend doesn't have much in the way of scruples and doesn't give a crap about "his" creations!
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 20:52
Again you are assuming there was a contract to hold our hands all our lives...Nope, we were given life, supposedly enough intelligence to know how to live with all that was given.

We are our own Creations...unl ike the vegetation, the animals, we have the ability to give joy, life....we choose to ignore or kill. We were given Life...
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 20:44
Afraid you got to back to the Bible God created us....then left the rest up to us.

Mother Nature I like to believe is trying to tell us something....ho wever, if God had the time to sit there pointing disasters at us, then there would be no reason to believe God is a Good Being. After all did the Creator not Create this beautiful Planet, all it contains.... If God wanted to destroy us, why now and not after the Sins in the Garden? Christ Crucified? Crusades of Children? Please we are destroying all that was given, most do not care...esp GOP
 
 
+35 # goodsensecynic 2012-10-30 13:18
"God is in control. He loves you!"

Really? I'm thrilled to hear it! So, while we're at it, let's give a big shout out to god (whoops, sorry I got generic there) about leukemia and Alzheimer's, drones and scuds, witch-burnings and gay-haters ... oh, the list is endless.

I know we don't deserve all these wondrous things, especially after that little display of hubris in the garden ... eating from the tree of knowledge and all that. But, I am sure that if you keep sending us endearing treats like genocide and child poverty (or any poverty for that matter), we'll finally get the message and start being truly worthy of his/her/its "love."
 
 
+11 # Doubter 2012-10-30 14:12
Don't you watch "Mr. Deity?"
"He" notes that he gets the credit for all the good stuff and his (supposed) competitor gets blamed for all the bad.
I'd say we are stuck with the problem. (and with fundamentalists and all kinds of faith filled "believers."
 
 
+13 # bingers 2012-10-30 16:58
See, that's the problem, God forbid (irony intended) we should have knowledge. Texas wants to ban critical thinking because we're supposed to be stupid?

Well, stupidity does suit the Republican party, so yeah, from their perspective, I guess so.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:12
We come into life with all different illnesses, some take longer to happen, some never do.
God gave us life, Planet life Aetheism doesn't give you anything or any less disease, murder.

We created the messes, or wondrous stuff...that was our doing. If people get diseases from the chemicals we allowed, the fertilizers we encouraged, the Monsantos, the Fracking,... When any of you smoked around kids, animals or other adults every wonder what you could have started? Goes for everything we have done. Mostly unknowing, any of us could have given someone something....
I carry that weight, I blame no one for my ills.
Actually it is about our accepting others, loving ourselves. We need not be worthy of God's Love....Creator loved us from day one. Time we start working together to show our love and thankfulness for being given the chance to Life. Life is what We Make It...
 
 
-61 # Martintfre 2012-10-30 13:19
Thank God for Al Gore to invent bad weather for us and the internet to tell us about it.
 
 
+40 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 14:06
You're right. If Al Gore didn't tell you global warming was real, you'd be able to pretend it doesn't exist.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:17
Republicans have been denying acid rain, smog from vehicles and manufacturing, global warming, dumping toxins....yup they can do no wrong....
 
 
+3 # bingers 2012-10-30 16:59
Quoting Martintfre:
Thank God for Al Gore to invent bad weather for us and the internet to tell us about it.


If that was irony, you got it right, if not you proved you don't know facts when they hit you in the face.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:15
Must be in hs I remember Hurricanes that overwhelmed in the fifties. Rhode Island can talk of that. I remember 72 with floods in Wilke'sBarre. We had Katrina, Irene now Sandy.... I guess volcanoes, cyclones, were also created by Gore.... I didn't know he was that old...may as well go back to OT Flood
You must be a sheeple...follo wer
 
 
+38 # DaveM 2012-10-30 13:20
In, I believe, 1978. Reader's Digest (of all places) ran an article entitled "What's Wrong With Our Weather?", which discussed several unusual and powerful weather events which were becoming a trend even then. It was a powerful warning, and in a sense prophecy as the trend has continued and escalated. We see now natural disasters caused by weather that were "once in a century" on a regular basis.

The earth does not take kindly to those who interfere with it on the scale we have been for centuries.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:19
Union of Concerned Scientists have been discussing air and affects of man on it for over thirty years. I remember others in sixties teaching us to clean up or look like California. Half these people never saw the Industrial Smokestacks, and emmissions... nor breathed them either
 
 
+70 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 13:26
Just a reminder to the 3rd partiers: President Obama invested billions in green infrastructure. Repugs fought him every step of the way and still haven't forgiven him. He's threatening to invest billions MORE in green infrastructure.

In case you haven't noticed, Romney DOES NOT like the idea. In fact, he plans to DISMANTLE the green investments made by the President.

Still think there's no difference?
 
 
+24 # MylesJ 2012-10-30 14:57
Yes, just like Reagan removed the energy efficiency improvements at the White House when he came into power. That engineer Carter using science and all- that had to be done away with ASAP.

The big contributors include all the major energy interests so you get government of, by, and for, the energy interests.
 
 
-4 # Jerry 2012-10-30 18:04
Is environment your only issue? Do you want to be a slave in a little less polluted world? The path to such will continue to be laid by Obama. He is the biggest obstacle to Jill Stein being elected. If he cared about humans, he would endorse her so that the human race could move forward, instead of back into feudalism. See, your logic can be flipped.
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 20:05
There are many issues. The environment is one of them. In fact, it's probably the most important.

Not that any of that matters to you. You'd rather see it all destroyed than allow President Obama another term.
 
 
+1 # Jerry 2012-10-31 12:00
Environmentalis ts have been saying we were at the tipping point for so long don't you think we have gone past it by now? If so, then I would prefer the advantages in longitivity for the wealthy be eliminated so that those that caused human extention don't last the longest.Environmentalis ts have been saying we were at the tipping point for so long don't you think we have gone past it by now? If so, then I would prefer the advantages in longevity for the wealthy be eliminated so that those that caused human extinction don't last the longest. There being the last humans in existence feels fundamentally unfair. Obama won’t level the playing field.
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-10-31 19:10
Are you suggesting the President should decide rich people over 30 are now a food source?

Could you be a little more specific rather than speaking so vaguely what you're trying to say? What do you want the President to do?
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:27
You all ignored us yet we got those clean air and water laws in you enjoyed until you fell asleep with your heads up your sands. Now we are not getting people who care, therefore no Political Party to spark and interest.
No one can level the playing field and everyone trying to is why we are in the shape we are. Selfish people out for themselves and their stuff. Right now I would wonder what you will do for those in disaster areas? OB is out helping are you?

Want a level playing field, buy a bull dozer do it yourself
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:24
Grow up No one heard of Stein until the past months... You are all lazy, waited to last minute per usual.
Been waiting for twenty five years to see you all actually run for office. So many of these parties are elitists, snobs....do not move among people. Like the Republicans your uninterest, leaves us uninterested. Your vote for stein is a vote for Nit
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:21
His Bain and other buds bought the American Patents, solar companies not to mention digital/tech companies and shipped to China.

We have some Solar Companies that have stood firm and I am looking to them for mine.

Twenty five years the GOP have booed alternative Energy. I was at the meetings...Gov Ridge was the scariest.
 
 
+30 # roger paul 2012-10-30 13:27
dear holistipsych ....tell that to the dinosaurs!
 
 
+41 # zitzwitz@mac.com 2012-10-30 13:28
If God is in control and caused Sandy and all the other atrocities on this globe, he is nothing but a Sadist.
All of you, who "believe" (translation=no t knowing) that
scare me to death.
 
 
+1 # Shanti 2012-10-30 20:27
Yes, someone you wouldn't care to know, much less spend time with. What a cruel powermonger!

Shanti
 
 
-59 # Martintfre 2012-10-30 13:38
Since the 1950s, both the atmospheric CO2 level and obesity levels have increased sharply. Hence, atmospheric CO2 causes obesity.

The logic works for me... and George Lakoff.
 
 
+55 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 14:08
Good logic. How about this one: most tornadoes hit red states. Hence God hates conservatives.

The logic works for me.
 
 
-6 # phantomww 2012-10-30 16:28
or Sandy is impacting Blue states mostly so God hates Obama supporters.
 
 
+16 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 19:07
It's the same logic. Either way, it's bullshit. The difference is that blue states believe in a government that actually helps people. Red states don't.
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 20:06
OR...

God created Sandy to show how shallow and unethical the repunblican right is - to show the fact that privatizing FEMA won't help people who need it.
 
 
+7 # brianf 2012-10-30 23:55
And yet red states are the biggest government freeloaders, taking more from government than they pay in taxes. They believe in government all right, they just don't believe in paying their share.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-10-31 10:21
Amen! They also just don't believe in admitting it out loud.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:31
Really which of that percentage is blue states? Personally hurricanes do not care what state, it doesn't have gps system nor does it need one.
 
 
0 # Shanti 2012-10-30 20:29
Wait! Isn't that when artificial sweeteners came on the market? Isn't that when we were told there wouldn't be anymore overweight within a year of people switching to them?
Shanti
 
 
+33 # Regina 2012-10-30 13:39
Simplify this for the folks who never learned Statistics/Prob ability or any science -- physics, chemistry, geology, biology, etc. If you eat sweets and gain weight, you will never be able to identify which dessert got you which new pound. But you will see the aggregate results on your scale.
 
 
+40 # grouchy 2012-10-30 13:48
Well, I don't think "god" has anything to do with it at all nor if he did and he was a "kind" god and was looking out for us"he" would be sponsoring such events if "he" wanted his reputation to be a positive kind one.

But I'm interested in tracking how the right wing whackos will modify their spin on global warming as the disasters continue and thus support Al Gore's science. By the way, this spin is indeed being funded by the mega billionaires out of their greed for more profits--and to hell with mankind!
 
 
-1 # Jerry 2012-10-30 18:11
I've listened to one video pushing the idea that Obama used geosciences to cause and steer Sandy. And a commenter above went with that notion. Guess they think Obama is gaining points by the way he's responding.
 
 
+45 # Wyntergreen 2012-10-30 13:48
Science as myth. Hmmm. That seem a little backward to me. If patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, I suppose religion is the last refuge a coward. Oooooo, it's God's will! God made me do it. God works in mysterious ways. God is in control. Sheesh. Own up to your own mistakes and responsibilitie s. Grow up. Look at the world as it really is.
 
 
-45 # Abigail 2012-10-30 14:00
What utter nonsense this article proposes. You are living in a vacuum of your own making. We've been having hurricanes since records were kept. We had one in MA/NH in 1939 that make Sandy look trivial.
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 16:28
Look up the word "statistics" and get back to us.
 
 
+5 # Shanti 2012-10-30 20:32
Either you are mistaken or the newscasters are; they just said Sandy surpassed the 1939. You may be confused because of the difference in forecasting. If not, you're just making stuff up.
Shanti
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:36
Another in Rhode Island that was horrific... I believe the weather changes, too much rain is global warming. I believe the artics melt is global warming but hurricanes, cyclones nope.

I do believe drilling can cause earthquakes.... these earthquakes due to toxins will add to global warming. Iceberg melt is real...I talked to real people not scientists.
 
 
-41 # MidwestTom 2012-10-30 14:03
Mr. Lakoff is not current in his environmental knowledge. Researchers using hard data, not projections, have determined that Global Warming stopped 16 years ago, and Antarctic ice is at record levels, even as Arctic ice is shrinking. The figures came from a database called Hadcrut 4 and were issued by the Met Office and the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at East Anglia University. I am not sure, but I also think that the ozone hole os at least shrunk, if not gone; this actueved with the rest of the world still using the more efficient Freons.
 
 
+21 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 16:37
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/02/01/conservative-media-repeat-tabloids-climate-misi/184390

SERIOUSLY! TOM!

PLEASE start looking up your statements before posting them. I'm embarrassed for you. You don't seem like a complete partisan repug. You just seem to be easily manipulated by right-wing media.

The "research" you're discussing was flawed and it's been discredited. It's only known to you because it's been repeated ad nauseum by the right-wing press.

Be honest with yourself. Do you really think the 98% consensus among climate scientists is a conspiratorial boogyman with an ulterior agenda? What would it be?

When you hear something that so fundamentally disagrees with the overwhelming consensus, rather than cherry picking it as your sole source of information, why not actually check it out first?
 
 
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:40
Do not need to ask scientists. Actual people go to Alaska, to other parts of the World and have seen, even photographed the meltdown at bergs/poles. Indians can tell you. I take scientists with grain of salt. I like some articles from Union of Concerned but I know what I see, feel, changes .... Hurricanes I will not give entirely to global warming.
 
 
0 # mdhome 2012-11-05 03:55
You don't seem like a complete partisan repug. You just seem to be easily manipulated by right-wing media.

The "research" you're discussing was flawed and it's been discredited. It's only known to you because it's been repeated ad nauseum by the right-wing press.

Be honest with yourself. Do you really think the 98% consensus among climate scientists is a conspiratorial boogyman with an ulterior agenda? What would it be?

Tom is in the pocket of RoMoney/big oil/coal. He knows better, but cannot let his voice speak or type it.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:37
Another rethug give us his report on the world.
 
 
-26 # Dumbledorf 2012-10-30 14:07
Sorry to disagree with you, George, but you don't know what-the-heck you are writing about. Yes, it appears that this devastating hurricane was deliberately steered into the greater New York area,for maximum impact and damage, but not because of any "global warming" hoax.

There is some very serious data that has recently been assembled concerning the HAARP project. H-A-A-R-P stands for "High frequency Active Auroral Research Program established by elites in Navy and Army intelligence and funded by U.S. Taxpayers. see>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
On October 26, 2012 the highest HAARP readings ever recorded were discovered near the eye of Hurricane Sandy while it was still hundreds of miles from any land. According to http://www.haarpstatus.com/status.html
There appeared to be a deliberate attempt to steer the storm into the United States rather than allow it to follow a path to Greenland. If this is true, the American People must wake-up and demand an end to ALL weather modification programs, including CHEM-TRAILING, and the arrest of ALL government and military personnel responsible for this act of murder!
 
 
+5 # Jerry 2012-10-30 18:23
I see you don't know that it is true, but you believe it. The video on this idea that I overheard while my wife watched it was so obviously political, so dependent on one believing what the presenter was saying, and available so quickly, I totally discounted it.
 
 
+2 # brianf 2012-10-31 00:02
But if it is true that global warming caused this and other hurricanes to be stronger, more destructive, and last longer, then we should arrest all the executives of fossil fuel companies responsible for this act of murder, right?
 
 
+3 # Jerry 2012-10-31 12:10
Ultimately, the people responsible are those that wrote the constitution since they set up a system that allows the wealthy to write the laws that allow them to pollute. Those violating laws should be brought to justice, but so much of the pollution is legal, lax laws are part of the problem.
 
 
0 # mdhome 2012-11-05 03:58
Run, run, run when you see the men in the nice white coats coming with their big nets. But I am sure you have intimate knowledge of them already.
 
 
+35 # Maeliosa 2012-10-30 14:09
Dear holisticpsych,

Seems to me that you believe in magical thinking: I suppose you think that God SENT the storm for a reason??

Yes, God loves us..AND all of creation.
God loves humanity so much that God gave us free-will and also stewardship of, and thus responsibility for, the good use of the earth for the common good of ALL.
God loves us so much that God will not interfer in what we manifest by our own actions and decisions.
Destroying God's creations -- the plants, minerals, animals, waters and all other organisms as well as ourselves -- is not part of the picture portrayed in Genesis. Destroying creation seems instead completely disrespectful and arrogant.
So far, humanity is demonstrating that we are selfish, greedy beings, stupid enough to pollute and destroy everything given to us by God for our measly short-term pleasure, with no thought of the impact on our children or children's children or the rest of creation.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 17:41
Great comment!
 
 
+13 # seeuingoa 2012-10-30 14:09
quote of a meteorologist:

"The monster storm of our lifetime"

Lifetime ?

Easy! Easy!

Just wait till 2013, 2014, 2015 .......
 
 
+11 # bingers 2012-10-30 17:04
Global warming isn't responsible for the number of storms according to the experts, but it is responsible for the ever increasing ferocity of them. And if you believe the ice cap is getting larger you do believe in fantasy.
 
 
+20 # fredboy 2012-10-30 14:20
The essential need today is to plan for such events, as they are certain to happen--and happen again.

Too often we think 'well, that's a 100 year storm' and simply repair or rebuild what failed. In this case, it's either move up (in elevation) or move back (away from the shoreline). Because the water will rise again.

Let's unite, as we always do, and help all who need it. And give thanks "Brownie" is no longer leading FEMA.
 
 
+11 # Vardoz 2012-10-30 19:16
And Romney has made it clear that he wants to privatize FEMA which will mean using our tax dollars to pay a private company with no oversight, regulations or accountability. This is why privatization hurts people - Just look at the tens of billions we are pay for our abusive prison system or our private mercenary armies that do not abide by international law. Also privatization often excludes unions which are so important for our men and women who provide essential services all over the nation.
 
 
+2 # mdhome 2012-11-05 04:05
Oh yes, lets privatize FEMA, because Haliburton and Blackwater did so well for us in Iraq and saved tons of money??? ANyone who thinks private companies are not going to reap massive profits in a deal like that has not idea what a monopoly does when given a chance.
 
 
+2 # brianf 2012-10-31 00:04
I agree that is essential. Even more essential is to stop burning fossil fuels. Otherwise the emissions will continue to make such events more and more severe.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:48
GeoThermal, Solar...even water but get out from the mess.
I have small woodstove back up. I needed it for four days now and up to fourteen on other black out...it heats, feeds, sterilize water. But I use GeoThermal as it is yours to use. Next is solar so I pay less to Electric.
I use a hundred a month in winter to heat, and electrify my home....6000 sq ft... what's your oil bills? Apartment dwellers can look to solar to help offset some lighting, appliance.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:44
Amen
 
 
+1 # 4Justice 2012-10-30 14:30
I will vote Rocky Anderson for President because of he has promoted leadership aggressive action on climate change for years. His record as mayor of Salt Lake City shows that under his watch SLC lowered the city's greenhouse gas emissions by 31% -- in three years. He championed the light rail system in SLC. Rocky Anderson’s record reveals a leader who is willing to tackle the risks of global climate change head-on. Rocky’s leadership was recognized with a Climate Protection Award from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, a Distinguished Service Award from the Sierra Club, a Respect the Earth Planet Defender Award and the World Leadership Award for environmental programs from the World Leadership Forum. He was named by Business Week as one of the top 20 activists in the world on global climate change and served on Newsweek’s Global Environmental Leadership Advisory Committee.

Obama approved opening the Powder River Basin to coal exploitation, and approved the XL pipeline. His administration refused to sign climate accords, and Obama brags about opening yet more coal, gas and oilfields.
http://www.voterocky.org/
 
 
+11 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-30 16:50
To paraphrase: "The road to failure is paved with good intentions."
If Rocky Anderson was to win the Presidency how would he deal with a House of Representatives who state from day one that they will make sure that every detailed shaped paving stone never gets delivered to that new highway. They are the poster boys for biting off your nose to spite your face.
Don't you get it yet?
The only use the current H.of R. has for the word 'highway' is the following: "It's our way or the highway, Mister President."
They also say that their pledge to Grover Norquist is more important then the oath they swore to when they took office, and the former came before the latter.
 
 
+15 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-30 17:38
You don't need to be a professional scientist to figure mess out; grade school is enough!
In grade school I learned that the Earth revolves around the Sun.
I learned that the Sun heats up the waters, and this now gaseous form of water rises into the sky and collects in clouds. Some heat gets reflected and escapes into cold space. The clouds are blown by the wind; wind is created when the Earth rotates on its axis as it revolves around the Sun. When the cloud gets so full of gaseous water that it can't hold it in any longer (like when you really have to piss so badly, and you can't find a toilet), and it just lets it go wherever it happens to be, over land or sea. If over the sea it replenishes the sea; if over land it feeds the soil and the rivers, and the rivers flow down to the seas to replenish the seas. The whole cycle keeps repeating itself.

Gases produced when certain things are burned go into the sky, they form a barrier to the escaping heat. They're called 'Greenhouse' gases.
Now the waters are warmer; it takes less Sun heat to make it gaseous; the clouds fill up faster & more often (like if you have a prostate condition), and there are more rain clouds. More heat fuels these clouds; the storms get bigger and stronger.

I learned that it's the man made hothouse gases that cause the problem.

Then we had recess, and I had milk and cookies!

I think Mr. Romney missed school that day-he had a riding lesson.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:48
Another vote for Nit
 
 
+12 # roger paul 2012-10-30 14:46
As a recovering Christian and now a religious skeptic, I ask all those who argue that man should have no part in preserving this beautiful blue ball to read out of their ancient text Rev 11:18 ...one guess where the Koch brothers would go if I were god.
 
 
-3 # The Voice of Reason 2012-10-30 19:28
Actually, in the Baha'i Writings, Abdu'l-Baha, the Son of Baha'u'llah, explains Rev. 11. He says the 'two witnesses' are Muhammad and Ali, and the beast that kills them is the Ummayads who overthrew Islam in the year 666 AD, and all the Caliphs.

The nations are indeed angry: they fight wars forever and are very corrupt. I think you guys need to bring this religious imagery into the equation.
 
 
+2 # The Voice of Reason 2012-10-31 23:03
The reason why I say that you should bring the religious imagery in, is because the religious right has it all wrong, and you guys stand a better chance of getting back to the point of the message.

I know most of you don't want to believe in any God that would let the RR go on the way they do, and you're having way too much fun to hold back. But still, you can take the imagery back to the RR and let them know they're in the mix too.

This will likely go over your heads, but maybe ...
 
 
0 # rowbyrd 2012-10-30 14:58
There probably were a lot giant storms the last 4-5 times the earth warmed after an Ice Age also.
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 17:52
Of course the Earth has never warmed as much as right now within the last few hundred thousand years. All of human civilization has happened during the past 10,000 when we had a climate we could raise crops on.

In other words, this is only important if you're concerned about the fact that billions will starve if we don't do something about it.
 
 
+7 # The Voice of Reason 2012-10-30 19:20
Billions are starving now, and we're not doing anything about it. It is called a 'paralysis of will' and until the pot boils over, our present day order will keep allowing billions to starve and suffer.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 20:08
I'm refering to billions starving TO DEATH. I'm not refering to hyperbole. You are. I'm also refering to millions potentially starving IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 21:50
We add by our bodies to warming. But another factor is our garbage, sewage...
 
 
-3 # BostonPundit 2012-10-30 15:09
When I read this comment by Prof. Lakoff, my first reaction was: What nonsense! Then, not wanting to be rude, I thought maybe I should look up his credentials to see whence his certitude emanates.
I see that he is a professor of linguistics, studied at Indiana University and MIT. Pretty good credentials, eh?
Then, I see that he claims to have tried to bring logic to Professor Chomsky's work. Things are heating up now. I detect a systemic cause coming to fruition.
Then I read more and see that Chomsky says of that Lakoff has "virtually no comprehension of the work he is discussing" (the work in question being Chomsky's).
Ah systemic confusion.
How is it that a professor of linguistics with just a little bit of training in science can make such grandiose pronouncements?
Yet, I don't want to be rude.
It is POSSIBLE, perhaps even PROBABLE that global warming or climate change may have had something to do with the freak nature of this storm.
On the other hand it may just have been a crazy coincidence that we had a Hurricane (after all, it is just the beginning of November and not quite the end of hurricane season) bashing up against arctic air coming from Canada (after all it is almost November and cold up there)and a high pressure system off Nova Scotia that generated a Nor'easter like vortex.
The truth is I just don't know.
Perhaps someone does but I doubt that someone is a person with the credentials of Prof. Lakoff. Maybe Al Gore knows.
 
 
0 # WolfTotem 2012-10-31 04:46
Quoting BostonPundit:
When I read this comment by Prof. Lakoff, my first reaction was: What nonsense!


Thanks for a useful and (for once) relevant comment. My own first reaction to the title of the Professor's article was also: What nonsense! How could anyone voice so categorical a statement about a single weather phenomenon? And that, while it's actually happening.

I did notice the intelligent and logical use (and even over-use) of a concept in the article - that of "systemic causation". But then I let myself get blown right off course by a primitive Super Pangloss, whom I answered a little too much like Voltaire's snitch to the Inquisition (http://www.literature.org/authors/voltaire/candide/chapter-05.html).

Voltaire goes on to tell "How the Portuguese Made a Superb Auto-De-Fe to Prevent Any Future Earthquakes", and I fear that, in another age, the Professor might for his pains have ended up being burned "alive by a slow fire, and with great ceremony" as an infallible preventive of hurricanes.

That being said, the evidence does point to NYC, Florida and many of the world's port cities being swamped in the coming decades. Whatever happens, corporate America (and serfs) will, like Voltaire's pig-ignorant sailor, have the answer: "Damn it, there's something to be got here."
 
 
+2 # BostonPundit 2012-10-31 18:54
WolfTotem

I must say that I am confused by the conflicting claims from all sides. Yes, I know that there is a consensus - maybe 98% is more than a consensus - among scientists that we have climate change or global warming.
Let's say climate change because that is pretty much visible.

Let's also say that man's activities contribute mightily to climate change.

The important questions for me are:
1. Can we do anything about it?
2. If the answer to 1 is yes, should we try? Do we understand the consequences?

I don't know the answers. From what I've read, even if the US and Europe were to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to zero, India and China would double them over some definable period (I don't know if that is 10, 20 or more years but the number I recall reading was about that magnitude).
 
 
+1 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-31 18:05
Anil,
You call yourself a 'pundit.' Continuing the theme of not being rude, I ask you what makes you a pundit? What is your expertise, or area of punditry that makes you a take on the title of pundit?
It sounds like you are spending a lot of time researching the credentials of the messenger, rather than the viability of his message. This "Systemic causation" concept seems very logical to me. Prof. Lakoff gave many of examples of just how this idea works in our daily lives.

You say, "It is POSSIBLE, perhaps even PROBABLE that global warming or climate change may have had something to do with the freak nature of this storm."

This statement is confusing to me. First off, anything is 'possible' in this world of ours, so we can eliminate that word from your statement...it' s obvious and therefore redundant. Next you say that it's, "perhaps even PROBABLE." If something is labeled 'probable' it has arrived at the threshold of near certainty.

If you don't like the way the message is presented, or who the messenger is, don't shoot the messenger; investigate the message.

I close with a quote from that renown poet and musical pundit, Bob Dylan:

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
 
 
0 # BostonPundit 2012-11-01 14:36
[quote name="BeaDeeBunker"]


Nothing, it is a moniker I chose as a humorous reminder that most of what read on these pages is pontificating (punditry) by people who don't know.



In my line of work, assessing the credibility of the message necessarily involves assessing whether the messenger is qualified to opine as he does.


OK, I can live with that. In my opinion, it is nonsense.



I am postulating that because I don't "know" I have to concede possibility and/or probability.

You will have to take a course in logic or analysis to sort out your confusion.
 
 
-10 # Unity4All 2012-10-30 15:15
There is a difference between what people are calling "Global Warming" which is the catch all for "it's all human's fault, let's create another financial bubble and way to tax people" and "Climate Change" that is effecting other planets in our solar system. There is currently "climate change" happening on many planets in our solar system (spend some time on NASA's website http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast09feb_1/). Weather modification, however, is not science fiction, the technology exists and there seems to be evidence that shows it is being used. If you're the least bit curious, you may want to google HAARP and definitely spend some time on this site, there are things showing up on weather radar that are NOT 'natural' by anyone's imaginations: http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/category/weather-modification/
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 17:49
Wow! Shouldn't you be on a ledge somewhere?
 
 
+20 # reiverpacific 2012-10-30 15:35
Funny, I've been waiting on some Rethuglican half-Twit to blame Obama for Sandy and the evangelical types to blame gays, like they did at 9-11.
To be absolutely fair, Chris Christie Gov' of New Jersey credited FEMA and Obama for their readiness and chastised those who wouldn't leave their homes as putting first responders and their families at risk (maybe they were waiting for God to jump in and pluck 'em out of the shit!) and acted as a responsible Governor, speaking directly to and dealing with the President in a mutually respectful exchange, putting partisan politics aside in a time of need.
Nice change from Dimwits and Co's un-handling of Katrina.
As for the Global warming, I'm not a qualified climatologist nor qualified to write knowledgeably on't but have been hearing speculation for some time in some pretty credible sources about "Manhattan being under water" some day.
Quod erat demonstratum.
For the climate change naysayers, "Glug, glug, glug" and out.
For the God-botherers, go build an ark on a Pacific atoll.
 
 
+8 # Glen 2012-10-30 17:02
Thank you, reiverpacific.
 
 
+6 # mgwmgw 2012-10-30 15:39
If you believe in God, then you likely also believe that God assigned humans to be the stewards of the earth. This means that God will not do everything for us.

If you do not believe in God, then you would have no problem believing that human-kind as a group should not want to destroy ourselves.

So all this discussion about God does not change the conclusions.

The only difficult part is the connection between continuing to live the way we live and not taking care of the earth. This means burning fuels and eating food out of season and driving everywhere etc.

Personally, I enjoy thinking about the possibility of making a gasoline replacement out of industrial hemp, but I lack the training to know whether it is possible, much less whether the price would be acceptable.

I also don't know whether growing and then burning the products of hemp would solve the problem if nothing else changes.

Solar and wind energy are unlikely to provide enough energy to entirely replace petroleum. If we could turn all highways into solar cells, it might help a whole lot, but it would not be enough. A partial solution may still buy us time.

If you do not live in a swing state, voting 3rd party may send a message, but in practice we can expect either Obama or Romney will win. Neither seems interested in solving this problem. Either they don't understand it needs solving, or they are not convinced of the best way to solve it.
 
 
+3 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-31 22:36
The Hebrew Bible, the one and only Bible, does put forth the concept of 'stewardship' over the riches of the Earth.

The authors of the 'New Testament' misread the Hebrew word and substituted the word 'dominion' for the word stewardship. The two concepts are very different, and has caused much conflict and strife for nearly 2000 years.
Gaia does not take kindly to the idea of dominion. We are paying dearly for this human arrogance.
 
 
+8 # seeuingoa 2012-10-30 16:07
Dear Maeliosa and Holisticpsych:

Have a look in the Bible:

Samuels 1st Book/chapter 15
where God orders genocide of the
Amaleks

and

Moses 5th Book (Deuterium)
chapter 21 where it is recommended
to stone small boys to death if they
don´t behave.

God should be in the Hague accused
of genocide and human right abuses,sitting besides Karadzic and
Mladic.

God didn´t create Sandy,
Sandy was "created" by the most
stupid of his creations: mankind.
 
 
-12 # JTHinSD 2012-10-30 16:36
More drivel from a RS "News" contributor. Maybe linguistics Prof. Lakoff should walk on over to the Cal Berkeley Physics building and get himself edumacated by Dr. Muller.

"Hurricane Katrina cannot be attributed to global warming. The number of hurricanes hitting the United States has been going down, not up; likewise for intense tornadoes. Polar bears aren’t dying from receding ice, and the Himalayan glaciers aren’t going to melt by 2035. And it’s possible that we are currently no warmer than we were a thousand years ago, during the “Medieval Warm Period” or “Medieval Optimum,” an interval of warm conditions known from historical records and indirect evidence like tree rings. And the recent warm spell in the United States happens to be more than offset by cooling elsewhere in the world, so its link to “global” warming is weaker than tenuous." (NYT, 12JUL2012). Perhaps, a "heated" debate could take place? Regardless, God bless them both, eh?
 
 
+1 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-31 22:55
Jonathan,
Not being a professor of linguistics, please enlighten me as to the meaning of "edumacated." What happens when one is edumacated? Does it hurt much? Is it catching? Has Dr. Muller performed many of these procedures in his career? Is it covered by most health insurance plans, even if it happens to be a pre-existing condition?

Inquiring minds would like to know.
 
 
0 # JTHinSD 2012-11-01 22:29
BD, it's a joke...over your head, I know...sorry 'bout that Chief.
 
 
+7 # m... 2012-10-30 16:40
Any IDIOT knows that Global Warming is a Liberal Myth just like the Theories of Evolution, Gravity and Dinosaurs...

Vote ROMENY-RYAN and put and end to Liberal Scientific Theorizing forever..!

Any IDIOT knows that God sent Sandy to wash away Liberalism and Scientistism.

:-D.
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2012-10-30 18:45
Quoting m...:
Any IDIOT knows that Global Warming is a Liberal Myth just like the Theories of Evolution, Gravity and Dinosaurs...

Vote ROMENY-RYAN and put and end to Liberal Scientific Theorizing forever..!

Any IDIOT knows that God sent Sandy to wash away Liberalism and Scientistism.

:-D.

Heh-heh!
Gawd bless you my son (or daughter)!
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2012-10-30 19:10
You're right. In fact, math is another liberal myth. So is the Golden Rule.
 
 
+3 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-31 18:19
To the mysterious 'm'-
I appreciate your satirical remarks-I grok it!
But, be aware that many contributors to this comment page are lacking that gene to a large degree. To them, your words and statements are your true feelings, as presented.

Then they was the case of the retired gentleman who proudly held up his sign at a 2010 Tea Party Rally. The sign read the following:

KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OFF MY MEDICARE!

Now here was somebody who totally lacked the irony gene!
 
 
+1 # JTHinSD 2012-11-01 22:29
You so smaht, BD!
 
 
+16 # nirmalandhas 2012-10-30 16:58
The fate of earth is NOT at stake. The fate of the human species IS!
 
 
+5 # brianf 2012-10-31 00:10
Not just the human species, the fate of most species is at stake.
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2012-10-31 10:25
Of course, but as humans, many of us are pretty emotionally invested in our own species.
 
 
+3 # brianf 2012-10-31 21:38
True, but we depend on other species far more than most of us realize. Being invested in other species is being invested in ourselves too.
 
 
+1 # nirmalandhas 2012-11-13 22:32
Agreed. The fate of earth is NOT at stake. The fate of the human species and earthlife as we know it IS!
 
 
+14 # Charles3000 2012-10-30 17:44
We can still call these bible thumpers apostles; they are apostles of stupidity and guilty of refusing to use their good mind that God gave them to understand the world in which they live.
 
 
-15 # BKnowswhitt 2012-10-30 18:58
I read this site a lot because i lean left & an always looking for factual alternatives to the 'cooked' corporately owned news today. The Left needs to get it correct on Global Warming and you must rely upon facts and science when they apply. There's no doubt that pollution of the air has caused greenhouse gases threats to human life & plant life. However the science that the industrial revolution to present is heating up the planet is not there. The planet cooled in 2010 and 2011. The Atlantic is one degree warmer & Pacific one degree colder this year. The last time was in 1955 when a bad hurricane hit New England. Weather always has extremes always has and always will. You can look at records all around the world - as good records have only been kept for what the last 100 years. How about before that. The planet is always going in cycles. Carbon Dioxide can not heat the atmosphere - it's one of the big lies told by Al Gore. Who BTW make millions on this lying bull. Should we stop polluting of course. Green energy yes. But we still need clean coal & oil and gas even if that was a plan we all agreed upon. But it will have to be profit worthy.
 
 
+4 # reiverpacific 2012-10-30 21:11
Quoting BKnowswhitt:
I read this site a lot because i lean left & an always looking for factual alternatives to the 'cooked' corporately owned news today. The Left needs to get it correct on Global Warming and you must rely upon facts and science when they apply. There's no doubt that pollution of the air has caused greenhouse gases threats to human life & plant life. However the science that the industrial revolution to present is heating up the planet is not there. The planet cooled in 2010 and 2011. The Atlantic is one degree warmer & Pacific one degree colder this year. The last time was in 1955 when a bad hurricane hit New England. Weather always has extremes always has and always will. You can look at records all around the world - as good records have only been kept for what the last 100 years. How about before that. The planet is always going in cycles. Carbon Dioxide can not heat the atmosphere - it's one of the big lies told by Al Gore. Who BTW make millions on this lying bull. Should we stop polluting of course. Green energy yes. But we still need clean coal & oil and gas even if that was a plan we all agreed upon. But it will have to be profit worthy.

The key words here - "Profit worthy". You must get beyond that to get to first base in the discussion of global energy, universal pathways and solutions.
"Profit" for whom? This circumscribes any possible solution to any issue.
"Who the potter and who the pots?"
 
 
+4 # brianf 2012-10-31 00:26
"However the science that the industrial revolution to present is heating up the planet is not there." Really? It is almost a degree C (more than a degree F) hotter now than at the beginning of the industrial revolution. That is a lot, considering global temperature has not varied by more than a degree C since the dawn of civilization. Where do you get your "facts and science"? 2010 was either the hottest year on record (GISS) or tied for second (Hadley). Again, where do you get your "facts or science"?

There are cycles, but what we call global warming is much too fast for the orbital cycles and slower than the short-term cycles like El Nino and sunspot activity. The closest analogy is what happened during most of the past mass extinctions, when volcanic activity released greenhouse gases. Those were not cycles, and neither is global warming, which is progressing about 10 times as fast.

Al Gore is not making this stuff up. He is just reporting what the climate scientists are discovering because he thinks it is important for people to know what is happening. The lies are coming from the deniers, who don't understand the science they attempt to criticize.
 
 
0 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-10-31 19:13
Bob,
Both my thumbs down on your comment, but I will concentrate on just one of your statements, in depth.

But first, answer this question, please:
Would you pay 10% above the price of a regular can of peanuts, if the can was labeled 'No Cholesterol' in bold yellow letters?

It's obvious to me that you don't know jack, when it comes to science! You make a statement like this:

"Carbon Dioxide can not heat the atmosphere - it's one of the big lies told by Al Gore."

Who told you that Al Gore said CO2 heats the planet? Not Al Gore!

CO2 never could, never would act as a 'heating' agent. The Earth gets ALL its heat from the Sun. If the Earth gets too much heat from that very hot ball in the sky we will all burn up-poof! We would be like Venus!!
Instead the Earth regulates itself by 'sweating.' We humans also regulate our core body temperature by 'sweating.' If we don't sweat properly, the heat builds up and we get 'heat stroke' and we can die if we're not cooled down. When you wear a 'sweat suit' the material of the suit prevents the heat from naturally evaporating into the atmosphere, and you get hotter and hotter. This is supposed to burn off fat!

CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE ATMOSPHERE ACTS AS THE SWEAT SUIT OF THE EARTH. IT TRAPS THE SWEAT, AND REFLECTS IT BACK. THUS IT HEATS THE EARTH BEYOND A SAFE LEVEL.
CO2 IS GIVING THE EARTH HEAT STROKE!!!

What's your answer? Would you pay for the more expensive peanuts?
 
 
0 # JTHinSD 2012-11-01 22:30
BD, how do you like dese nuts?
 
 
0 # JTHinSD 2012-11-01 22:36
BD! Does the Earth get any heat from geothermal activity? Any at all? How about from folks blathering on about topics of which thy know little, yet love to punctuate their ignorance with certainty?
 
 
0 # Charles3000 2012-11-14 06:31
"Geothermal activity" of the earth does not produce more heat; it only changes the energy distribution. There is lots of heat energy down there below the Moho. It is molten metal. We experience this material from time to time when it seeps up through cracks in the earth and appears at the surface of the earth. We call them volcanoes. The earth rotates but the molten/liquid metal does not rotate at the same speed as the solid parts of the earth. This differential rotational rate produces our magnetic field but over time this differential rotational rate has gone to zero and the magnetic field of the earth goes to zero too. It has always restarted in the past and the process that causes the "restart" is not well understood. Einstein called this a major challenge to physicists. Bottom line, there are two significant geothermal processes happening now. We understand one very well; the increased solar energy absorption due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere. The other is the reduction of the differential rotational rate of the earth and its molten outer core and the attendant potential changes of heat conduction to the surface of the earth which is not well understood. There are, however, people who have made careers out of studying these phenomena. I suggest we listen to these experts and not idle speculators. Google "Beno Gutenberg" and you will find material about and from one such expert. One link: http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/mcpherson1/benopaper.htm
 
 
+1 # Charles3000 2012-11-14 05:55
Carbon Dioxide enables the sun to heat the surface of the earth. By increasing the quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere more of the sun energy is trapped, ie the greenhouse effect. It is also important to really understand what temperature really defines. It defines a distribution uniquely. It only defines energy in combination with the thermal properties of the system, in this case the earth. So increasing temperature means a broadening of the distribution of features and an increase of all of them. Hence, with global warming we should expect weather extremes of all kinds to increase both in number and intensity.
 
 
-13 # BKnowswhitt 2012-10-30 19:01
I know for a fact that prematurely shutting power plants in the east (coal run) is reducing the grid before we are ready to. (And Obama will lose W.Va and maybe Ohio because of it) Obama's tried to force it to happen. Wrong move. When Nat Geo said the polar caps were melting they did not tell this also caused more precipitation to fall at the center of the pole causing more mass not less. The heating and cooling of the planet is very complex and based upon real meteorological science far more in depth to explain than the short sided false science of Gore - remember when the 'scientists' emailed each other corroborating their stories and that got exposed a year or so ago. This story is and inflammatory example and misapplication of facts to gain the same scare tactics the right uses in their war on terror ...
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2012-10-30 21:20
Quoting BKnowswhitt:
I know for a fact that prematurely shutting power plants in the east (coal run) is reducing the grid before we are ready to. (And Obama will lose W.Va and maybe Ohio because of it) Obama's tried to force it to happen. Wrong move. When Nat Geo said the polar caps were melting they did not tell this also caused more precipitation to fall at the center of the pole causing more mass not less. The heating and cooling of the planet is very complex and based upon real meteorological science far more in depth to explain than the short sided false science of Gore - remember when the 'scientists' emailed each other corroborating their stories and that got exposed a year or so ago. This story is and inflammatory example and misapplication of facts to gain the same scare tactics the right uses in their war on terror ...

I'd use the words "Cautionary" rather than "Inflammatory", especially given the limited understanding and exposure of the average American to the omnipresent Owner media who are "All but rude to the (problem's) solitude".
Please provide examples of "Clean Coal" (Mountaintop removal and desecration of whole communities in Appalachia perhaps?). Oil and gas have their own tales of deceit and pollution to need no more referrals.
It all ends up as "National Sacrifice Areas" or if you like "Domestic Collateral Damage" (My term) and sadly mostly to feed that resource-guzzli ng behemoth, the US military.
"Safe Nuclear" anyone?
 
 
0 # JTHinSD 2012-11-01 22:37
How about "clean lithium?" Is there such a thing?
 
 
+2 # brianf 2012-10-31 00:46
There is no question the sea ice in the Arctic region is shrinking quickly, in both area and thickness, and the ice covering Greenland is also melting rapidly. At one point scientists though the Antarctic was losing ice, then later studies showed it might be gaining mass. It wasn't a matter of hiding anything, it's just that a later study came to a different conclusion. The latest and most accurate measurements show the Antarctic has been losing ice slowly overall. But the ice loss in a few areas has been accelerating, and if this acceleration continues, the ice loss could become very significant. You are right that this subject is very complex, and maybe people who don't have a good grasp of the science should not be making unfounded accusations of people who understand it much better.
 
 
0 # Charles3000 2012-11-14 06:38
The melting of the arctic ice accelerates because of the positive feedback that occurs. The ice reflects solar power; it has a high albedo. The water has a lower albedo, absorbing more sun energy and thereby melting the ice faster.
 
 
-10 # BKnowswhitt 2012-10-30 20:04
Religion aside that's an even bigger non factual supposition maybe the biggest of all. I have it under free speech. Which i would protect your right to say and have long as it doesn't promote lessening someone else's right to speech and live their lives. Main point is this guy is dead wrong. Period. Facts aren't there .. and again how can you base any movement today on any kind of supposed nonsense .. the Right laughs at you for this ... and you don't help the cause ....
 
 
+2 # Billy Bob 2012-10-31 10:26
The right laughs at facts all the time. It's nervous laughter.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2012-11-13 22:11
Quoting BKnowswhitt:
Religion aside that's an even bigger non factual supposition maybe the biggest of all. I have it under free speech. Which i would protect your right to say and have long as it doesn't promote lessening someone else's right to speech and live their lives. Main point is this guy is dead wrong. Period. Facts aren't there .. and again how can you base any movement today on any kind of supposed nonsense .. the Right laughs at you for this ... and you don't help the cause ....

"The right laughs at you!
Well we Must be doin; something right.
Only news is that the right has any kind of sense o' humor.
 
 
+1 # jadenemayla 2012-10-30 21:11
I appreciate your article and have written an article on this topic that mentions yours.
It is at:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/94h69o8
 
 
+3 # C. Winslow 2012-10-30 22:20
#reiverpacific mentioned Governor Christie's fulsome praise for Obama's quick action to help with rescue and cleanup in New Jersey. Just for fun, I'm wondering if Romney staff, reacting to the Governor's words, aren't saying to themselves: "Yon Cassius, methinks he hath a lean and hungry look". Well, maybe not "lean". . .
 
 
0 # dickmail 2012-10-30 23:16
There is global warming and has been in the past probably many times. This global warming era may have been enhanced or even caused by Co2 emissions from coal etc. Were the hurricanes, fires, draught, all caused by the global warming or was it coinsidental is the question. Whatever you believe is OK with me but remember it is only a belief and maybe more than a belief, it could be a fear. If we are the cause of global warming and global warming is the cause of the nasty hurricanes, draughts, etc. then we are in big trouble.
 
 
+4 # brianf 2012-10-31 00:53
It is much, much more than a belief. A few years ago it was a theory, based on the understanding of how hurricanes work, that warmer oceans would strengthen them. But now there is statistical proof that they have been getting stronger in correlation with the warmer ocean surface temperatures. The same goes for severe weather. Global warming explains the increasingly severe weather, and nobody has come up with any other plausible explanation. It is exactly what the scientists predicted, and now it is happening. There is no better proof of a theory than its predictions coming true.

We are not causing these things, but we are making them stronger. And, frankly, we are in big trouble, mainly because we are stupidly continuing, even increasing, the actions that are causing this. If we had any sense we would stop.
 
 
+3 # seeuingoa 2012-10-31 03:18
and climate change was not discussed
or mentioned in the election debates

!!!
 
 
+6 # natalierosen 2012-10-31 06:37
If you ever want to know what happens when one does not pay heed to the FACTS of science read the latest relating the macabre details of death and dying in our latest global warming catastrophe in Manhattan including caskets literally washed out of their graves.

Whether it is evolution, climate change, the bacterial cause of disease, immunizations that prevent disease, gravity or the earth revolving around the sun the FACTS of science rule the day everywhere from particle to quantum physics nothing escapes the fundamental facts science tells us and these facts of biology and physics even pertain to outer space. There are some eternal truths of science no party, no political thought, no religious wingnut fantasy and no one human being can deny. To do so means vast death and utter immolation of places like Manhattan, the New Jersey shore and much much more.

Deny science at your peril and at the peril of all of us who know the veracity of science when it stares us in the face.
 
 
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-10-31 22:03
Wow great when an article makes us think

Some weather conditions have happened forever...canno t deny this. Sandy might not have been the largest or worst. I believe we have had storms if each Century, we have more toys now to measure better.

We have created Global Warming since the Industrial Revolution. We have perfected it in the past hundred years.

Environmentalists made strides, in past 20 years I have watched the string unravel and Yuppies not give a damn. In past ten years I have seen laws gutted, still everyone looked the other way. Instead of blaming others like birther bs, we should be looking how we can make changes in the future, build the path together.
NY will come back, other States will rebuild...all will rebound. But it is going to take everyone to do it.

Go look at how many things you own that uses gas, oil, kerosene, gas, electricity. Think of where they were manufactured, think about what you live in, wear....we are all part of the problem. God is not going to save you, Government isn't going to save you.

You want Change....guess what, it is up to you.
 
 
+2 # Replicounts 2012-11-03 00:52
Lakoff is right.

It would be nonsense to say that smoking hasn't been proved to cause cancer, just because we cannot prove that somebody's cancer was caused by a particular cigarette.

The health of the Earth also needs action. Not excuses for doing nothing, concocted by by the corporate disinformation industry.
 
 
-3 # RobertDavidSTEELEVivas 2012-11-03 14:46
Language is a good start. So also are true cost economics as pioneers by Herman Daly, and systems thinking as advanced by Buckminster Fuller, Russell Ackoff, and still today, Professor Medard Gabel.

There are three things missing from the above article:

01 It lacks a strategic analytic model within which to comprehend the inter-play between threats such as poverty and human system irresponsibilit y such as war, paving over the wetlands, etc.

02 Because of #1, it does not see that global warming aka climate change is a small part of Environmental Degradation, threat #3 among the high-level threats, following poverty and infectious disease.

03 It fails to distinguish between natural disasters and human-centered catastrophe. Sandy was turned into a catastrophe by human system apathy and government to corporate corruption. Subways have never been been built to recover from flooding, power systems are still archaic instead of resilient, gasoline, water and food were not pre-positioned, the list is long.

Coming back to language: we need a language that presents the true cost of all decisions, all goods and services, all the time: the virtual water, the virtual fuel, the virtual child labor, the virtual tax avoidance, and the not so virtual toxins that come with everything including a standard cotton T-shirt.

Learn more at Phi Beta Iota the Public Intelligence Blog (http://www.phibetaiota.net).
 

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.

RSNRSN