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Intro: "The Turkish jet shot out of the sky by Syrian fire was almost certainly hit by a rocket provided by the Russians - who might have pressed the button as well, reports Owen Matthews."

Soldiers launch a Pantsir-S1 surface-to-air missile as part of a joint CIS air-defense exercise at Ashuluk military range near the Caspian Sea. (photo: Rogulin Dmitry, ITAR-TASS/Landov)
Soldiers launch a Pantsir-S1 surface-to-air missile as part of a joint CIS air-defense exercise at Ashuluk military range near the Caspian Sea. (photo: Rogulin Dmitry, ITAR-TASS/Landov)



Russian Rocket Downed Turkish Plane

By Owen Matthews, The Daily Beast

03 July 12

 

The Turkish jet shot out of the sky by Syrian fire was almost certainly hit by a rocket provided by the Russians - who might have pressed the button as well, reports Owen Matthews.

Turkish plane downed by Syrian fire over the Mediterranean 10 days ago was almost certainly hit by a Russian-supplied rocket fired by Russian-trained technicians, diplomatic sources in Ankara and London told The Daily Beast on Sunday. The Turkish Air Force F-4E Phantom II disappeared from radar screens at 11:58 a.m. June 22. Syria's Foreign Ministry later admitted that its forces had downed the plane after it violated Syrian airspace.

"The evidence indicates that [the Turkish plane] was hit by a Russian-made Pantsir," a Western diplomat with knowledge of the ongoing NATO investigation into the shooting told The Daily Beast. Russia supplied Syria with 36 mobile Pantsir-S1 surface-to-air missile launchers in 2007 at a cost of $900 million. "At a range of 13 nautical miles, it's the only kit the Syrians have with the range, response time, and accuracy" to have downed the American-made F-4, the diplomat said.

Soviet-era weaponry - mostly RPG-7 rocket-propelled grenades - has been used to down many U.S. helicopters in Afghanistan and Iraq in recent years, and a U.S. F-117 stealth bomber was shot down over Yugoslavia in 1999 by a 1980s-era Soviet missile. But if confirmed, the downing of the F-4 by a Pantsir will be the first time an American jet has been shot down by modern Russian antiaircraft technology.

The Pantsir system - also known by its NATO name, the SA-22 Greyhound - was sold to the Syrians with a contract for Russian-supplied technicians to install the system and train its local operators. Britain's Sunday Times reported Sunday that Russians are still stationed at the missile battery control centers, raising the possibility that Russian personnel could have been directly involved in the June 22 incident. "We would not be surprised if these Russian experts, if they didn't push the button, at least were beside the Syrian officers who did it," an Israeli Air Force source told The Sunday Times.

Details of Russian involvement in the shooting of the Turkish plane came as Moscow once again blocked international efforts to agree on a blueprint for Syrian President Bashir al-Assad to relinquish power Saturday. United Nations special envoy Kofi Annan had convened an international crisis meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, on Saturday to agree on a blueprint for a transitional Syrian government. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton traveled to St. Petersburg last Thursday in a last-ditch attempt to persuade Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov to agree that Assad and his allies had no place in the transitional process.

Clinton's effort failed. Russia agreed to a communiqué calling for "clear and irreversible steps" toward a negotiated settlement - but adamantly blocked U.S. and U.K. attempts to exclude Assad and senior Syrian Baath Party officials from a future government. The final statement stuck to Moscow "red line" that, in Lavrov's words, "only the Syrian people can decide the transition process … It must not be imposed from outside."

Russia and China have firmly opposed any U.N. resolution that could be interpreted as a green light for Western military intervention in Syria after a weakly worded resolution was used as a mandate to bomb Libya. Lavrov is adamant that the same will not happen again. "When deciding to support U.N. Security Council Resolutions [on Libya], we believed that these decisions would help limit the excessive use of force and pave the way for a political settlement," Lavrov wrote last month. "Unfortunately, the actions undertaken by NATO countries under these resolutions led to their grave violation and support for one of the parties to the civil war, with the goal of ousting the existing regime, damaging in the process the authority of the Security Council."

Western diplomats have been trying to persuade the Russians that the Assad regime is doomed and that continuing to support it will damage Russia's long-term interests in Syria after Assad's eventual fall, according to one Western official not authorized to speak on the record. "If they want to keep [the Russian naval base at] Tartus, if they want to sell arms to the new regime, they need to start distancing themselves from the current one," said the official, who has a dealt with Syria-related issues for over a decade. "Russia wants to stay in the sphere-of-influence game, and they do that by extending their international diplomatic leverage to protect their friends. But when those friends, like Gaddafi, [fall], they end up worse off than before."

Despite Russian stonewalling Saturday's talks did yield some results. "This is the first time that the P5 [permanent members of the U.N. Security Council] and other key players have spelled out in detail what transition should look like," British Foreign Secretary William Hague told reporters Saturday. "That is a step forward and is worth having."

 

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+4 # pres 2012-07-03 11:55
The whole "Syrian problem" is created by Israeli mercenaries to take over Syria by eliminating Assad. After all it's really Jewish land (just ask 'em) and they want to take it back.
 
 
+3 # Activista 2012-07-03 12:34
"forces had downed the plane after it violated Syrian airspace" - NATO was testing Syrian defense to implement "No fly zone" like in Libya in preparation of bombing .... is probably only useful fact in Guardian War Propaganda.
All part of US/Israeli war on Iran. Assad is protecting Syria minorities. USA is protecting Israel in war on Iran.
Check - shrinking map of Palestine .. this is NEOCON dream ... create shrinking map of Middle East.
 
 
+4 # bluepilgrim 2012-07-03 14:31
It's a lie.
I made a longer post earlier, with a link, but it hasn't been approved (although later posts are now on the board). It was shot down by on-shore anti-aircraft guns.
 
 
-2 # T4D 2012-07-03 19:58
Why would anyone doubt that the Russian missiles were fired by Russian troops? Doesn't anyone remember the '67 war where the Russian missiles in Egypt were manned by Russian troops? When the Russians learned that the Israel missiles could target the Russian missile targeting radar, they locked up the controls, and disappeared. We need to give the Turks this technology and see the Russians disappear again.
 
 
+3 # bluepilgrim 2012-07-03 22:56
One may doubt it because the wreckage showed bullet holes, there are reliable reports that it was AA gunfire that downed, and a video labeled as showing that. One may also know that the propganda has been fierce, that an unnamed 'diplomatic source' has no credibility at all, and the the US has been trying to put pressure on Russia -- and telling lies about them -- as part of a campaign aginst Russia.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31748.htm
"PanARMENIAN.Ne t - U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria's account and at odds with Turkey, The Wall Street Journal reports."

is only one of a number of articles saying it was gun fire.

The question is, why would anyone believe anything that Daily Beast says or give any credence to ongoing imperialist propaganda?
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-07-04 07:12
How about the Americans disappear as well. There are American weapons and ammo strewn all over the world. Due to Turkey having been a "friend" of the U.S. and used and abused by them, why would you assume there is not similar technology in Turkey?
 
 
0 # Activista 2012-07-05 23:32
Targeting radar is 50 year old technology - EVERYBODY has it.
It was neat how Iran hacked U.S. spy stealth drone 6 month ago, and got data ..
 

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