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Black begins: "Newly-released documents expose more explicitly the details of IBM's pivotal role in the Holocaust - all six phases: identification, expulsion from society, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination."

Auschwitz survivor Leon Greenman displays his number tattoo. (photo: Ian Waldie/Getty Images)
Auschwitz survivor Leon Greenman displays his number tattoo. (photo: Ian Waldie/Getty Images)



IBM at Auschwitz, New Documents

Edwin Black, Reader Supported News

28 February 12

 

ewly-released documents expose more explicitly the details of IBM's pivotal role in the Holocaust - all six phases: identification, expulsion from society, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination. Moreover, the documents portray with crystal clarity the personal involvement and micro-management of IBM president Thomas J. Watson in the company's co-planning and co-organizing of Hitler's campaign to destroy the Jews.

IBM's twelve-year alliance with the Third Reich was first revealed in my book IBM and the Holocaust, published simultaneously in 40 countries in February 2001. It was based on some 20,000 documents drawn from archives in seven countries. IBM never denied any of the information in the book; and despite thousands of media and communal requests, as well as published articles, the company has remained silent.

The new "expanded edition" contains 32 pages of never-before-published internal IBM correspondence, State Department and Justice Department memos, and concentration camp documents that graphically chronicle IBM's actions and what they knew during the 12-year Hitler regime. On the anniversary of the release of the original book, the new edition was released on February 26, 2012 at a special live global streaming event at Yeshiva University's Furst Hall, sponsored by the American Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists together with a coalition of other groups.

Among the newly-released documents and archival materials are secret 1941 correspondence setting up the Dutch subsidiary of IBM to work in tandem with the Nazis, company President Thomas Watson's personal approval for the 1939 release of special IBM alphabetizing machines to help organize the rape of Poland and the deportation of Polish Jews, as well as the IBM Concentration Camp Codes including IBM's code for death by Gas Chamber. Among the newly published photos of the punch cards is the one developed for the statistician who reported directly to Himmler and Eichmann.

The significance of the incriminating documents requires context.

Punch cards, also called Hollerith cards after IBM founder Herman Hollerith, were the forerunner of the computers that IBM is famous for today. These cards stored information in holes punched in the rows and columns, which were then "read" by a tabulating machine. The system worked like a player piano - but this one was devoted to the devil's music. First designed to track people and organize a census, the Hollerith system was later adapted to any tabulation or information task.

From the first moments of the Hitler regime in 1933, IBM used its exclusive punch card technology and its global monopoly on information technology to organize, systematize, and accelerate Hitler's anti-Jewish program, step by step facilitating the tightening noose. The punch cards, machinery, training, servicing, and special project work, such as population census and identification, was managed directly by IBM headquarters in New York, and later through its subsidiaries in Germany, known as Deutsche Hollerith-Maschinen Gesellschaft (DEHOMAG), Poland, Holland, France, Switzerland, and other European countries.

Among the punch cards published are two for the SS, including one for the SS Rassenamt, or Race Office, which specialized in racial selections and coordinated with many other Reich offices. A third card was custom-crafted by IBM for Richard Korherr, a top Nazi statistician and expert in Jewish demographics who reported directly to Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler and who also worked with Adolf Eichmann. Himmler and Eichmann were architects of the extermination phase of the Holocaust. All three punch cards bear the proud indicia of IBM's German subsidiary, DEHOMAG. They illustrate the nature of the end users who relied upon IBM's information technology.

In 1937, with war looming and the world shocked at the increasingly merciless Nazi persecution of the Jews, Hitler bestowed upon Watson a special award - created specifically for the occasion - to honor extraordinary service by a foreigner to the Third Reich. The medal, the Order of the German Eagle with Star, bedecked with swastikas, was to be worn on a sash over the heart. Watson returned the medal years later in June 1940 as a reaction to public outrage about the medal during the bombing of Paris. The return of this medal has been used by IBM apologists to show Watson had second thoughts about his alliance with the Reich. But a newly released copy of a subsequent letter dated June 10, 1941, drafted by IBM's New York office, confirms that IBM headquarters personally directed the activities of its Dutch subsidiary set up in 1940 to identify and liquidate the Jews of Holland. Hence, while IBM engaged in the public relations maneuver of returning the medal, the company was actually quietly expanding its role in Hitler's Holocaust. Similar subsidiaries, sometimes named as a variant of "Watson Business Machines," were set up in Poland, Vichy France, and elsewhere on the Continent in cadence with the Nazi takeover of Europe.

Particularly powerful are the newly-released copies of the IBM concentration camp codes. IBM maintained a customer site, known as the Hollerith Department, in virtually every concentration camp to sort or process punch cards and track prisoners. The codes show IBM's numerical designation for various camps. Auschwitz was 001, Buchenwald was 002; Dachau was 003, and so on. Various prisoner types were reduced to IBM numbers, with 3 signifying homosexual, 9 for anti-social, and 12 for Gypsy. The IBM number 8 designated a Jew. Inmate death was also reduced to an IBM digit: 3 represented death by natural causes, 4 by execution, 5 by suicide, and code 6 designated "special treatment" in gas chambers. IBM engineers had to create Hollerith codes to differentiate between a Jew who had been worked to death and one who had been gassed, then print the cards, configure the machines, train the staff, and continuously maintain the fragile systems every two weeks on site in the concentration camps.

Newly-released photographs show the Hollerith Bunker at Dachau. It housed at least two dozen machines, mainly controlled by the SS. The foreboding concrete Hollerith blockhouse, constructed of reinforced concrete and steel, was designed to withstand the most intense Allied aerial bombardment. Those familiar with Nazi bomb-proof shelters will recognize the advanced square-cornered pillbox design reserved for the Reich's most precious buildings and operations. IBM equipment was among the Reich's most important weapons, not only in its war against the Jews, but in its general military campaigns and control of railway traffic. Watson personally approved expenditures to add bomb shelters to DEHOMAG installations because the cost was born by the company. Such costs cut into IBM's profit margin. Watson's approval was required because he received a one-percent commission on all Nazi business profits.

Two telling U.S. government memos, now published, are remarkable for their telling irony. The first is a State Department memo, dated December 3, 1941, just four days before the attack on Pearl Harbor and as the Nazis were being openly accused of genocide in Europe. On that day in 1941, IBM's top attorney, Harrison Chauncey, visited the State Department to express qualms about the company's extensive involvement with Hitler. The State Department memo recorded that Chauncey feared "that his company may some day be blamed for cooperating with the Germans."

The second is a Justice Department memo generated during a federal investigation of IBM for trading with the enemy. Economic Warfare Section chief investigator Howard J. Carter prepared the memo for his supervisors describing the company's collusion with the Hitler regime. Carter wrote: "What Hitler has done to us through his economic warfare, one of our own American corporations has also done ... Hence IBM is in a class with the Nazis." He ended his memo: "The entire world citizenry is hampered by an international monster."

At a time when the Watson name and the IBM image is being laundered by whiz computers that can answer questions on TV game shows, it is important to remember that Thomas Watson and his corporate behemoth were guilty of genocide. The Treaty on Genocide, Article 2, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group." In Article 3, the treaty states that among the "acts [that] shall be punishable," are the ones in subsection (e), that is "complicity in genocide." As for who shall be punished, the Treaty specifies the perpetrators in Article 4: "Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3 shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials, or private individuals."

International Business Machines, and its president Thomas J. Watson, committed genocide by any standard. It was never about the antisemitism. It was never about the National Socialism. It was always about the money. Business was their middle name.


Edwin Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust, The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation, newly released in the Expanded Edition.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

 

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-126 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 12:38
Edwin Black is not to be taken at face value. Inasmuch as he purports to do research, he is a Holocaust apologist and does not acknowledge Israel’s holocaust in Palestine. Moreover, he whitewashes, or at best minimizes, the zionist Jews' collaboration with Hitler’s Reich and they role inn the persecution of European Jewry.

Perhaps Black could unearth documents showing the connection of U.S. companies to Israel’s genocide of Palestine. I doubt it.
 
 
+53 # cadan 2012-02-28 14:30
That might be true.

And he might even operate a bulldozer (although i think the Israeli crime against the Palestinians is not to be compared with the Nazi's, at least, not unless they start systematic gassing or something).

But this IBM thing, if true, is just awful.
 
 
+40 # globalcitizen 2012-02-28 14:48
Here is the source of the ideological disconnec. Cadan seems to think that it is the number of people killed that determines Fascism. FALSE.

Mussolini, Hitler and Franco defined the ideology of Fascism, not to numbers killed, but their ideological dogma of promoting corporate , class power trough the totalitarian class state. A marriage of the class state to corporate tyranny....whic h explains the fascist role of corporations to class tyrants.

Today the same fascist austerity, enslavement of social masses is used to justify AMERIKA'S/ISRAE L'S/NATO fascism, as a global fascist matrix....WHERE FASCIST CAPITALISM is called "Freedom", in the same way German fascist called the enslaved labor, JEWISH/SOCIALIS T PRISON LABOR, in concentration camps....FREEDO M....their fascist capitalist sogan "ARBEIT MACHT FREI".....

WORK(SLAVERY) through fascist corporations is FREE ENTERPRISE, FREEDOM.
 
 
+11 # cadan 2012-02-28 18:12
These are all interesting parallels, and i'd be crazy to dispute that things are getting worse here, or to dispute that things are very bad for Palestinians.

But i do think that a quantitative difference can become so great that it is qualitative, and the Nazis went off the scale, and that it is wrong to try to compare (and thus cheapen) this ultimate evil with something very offensive and even fatal for many, but not at .01% of the scale.

(That, btw, is one additional reason why we and the Israelis should very careful of what we do. Besides all moral questions, we are inviting all kinds of future problems for ourselves, for we are both minorities.)

(Unrelated to this, but re the comment below questioning the use of gas --- i don't think there's any doubt about the use of gas, and there's a very sad story about its development---l ook up Clara Immerwahr [actual name] and Fritz Haber.)
 
 
-128 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 15:42
On the contrary; the parallel between Israelis and Nazis is empirically obvious. At least one rabbi has openly called for a "shoah" on Palestine, and the mentalty of the German and Jewish fascists are identical in their militarism and sadistic persecution of the "other." Yithak "Shamir" even went to hitler to propose a Jewish-Nazi aliance against the British. Hitler said no, of course.

BTW, no proof exists to confirm the
rumour that the Nazis used gas chambers. You're just repeating popular myth.

Quoting cadan:
That might be true.

And he might even operate a bulldozer (although i think the Israeli crime against the Palestinians is not to be compared with the Nazi's, at least, not unless they start systematic gassing or something).

But this IBM thing, if true, is just awful.
 
 
+60 # Jmac 2012-02-28 18:57
Seriously you don't believe the gas chambers existed? Where did you learn history?
 
 
-99 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 21:11
From a non-zionist source. Much of the "evidence" consists of misinterpreted photographs and mere assertions. No actual EVIDENCE has been provided.
 
 
+51 # Reyn 2012-02-29 10:06
*sigh* you were making a cogent argument, whether I believed it or not -- then you decided to try holocaust denial and immediately lost all credibility.

Whether or not more people were killed in gas chambers or shot or starved or whatever does not change the slaughter that was the holocaust. Further it wasn't just the Jews -- they liquidated gypsies, gay men, and captured Russian soldiers as well.

Holocaust denial never made any sense to me, but then, I knew, before his death, one of the American soldiers who liberated Dachau. He was the unit cameraman. He still had pictures. I've seen original pictures therefore of the stacked bodies of prisoners that they hadn't managed to get into the crematories before the camp was overrun. Revisionism has no hold for me.

Regards,

Reyn
 
 
+41 # XXMD48 2012-02-28 19:46
"BTW, no proof exists to confirm the rumour that the Nazis used gas chambers".

Children growing in post world war II in Central Europe were shown in schools many documentaries from Auschwitz, Terezin and other Nazi camps. Anyone, who once saw these movies, will never forget them. It was Dwight D. Eisenhower, commander of American forces in Europe 1943-1945 who insisted to document all findings in Nazi's camps "Because the day may come that somebody will deny that this even happened". In the twenty first century it was president Ahmadinijad
who denied the existence of Holocaust and he is as much right as is Mr Netanyahu stating that Iran is an imminent threat to Israel.
 
 
-91 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 21:15
So what?

The movies you mention are the greatest source of gas-chamber propaganda. If they existed, then prove it. Nothing in your post remotely refers to gas chambers. Nobody doubts the existence of concentration camps, but the "gassing' was asserted after the fact.

BTW, Ahmadinejad is correct to deny the official dogmatized version of the Holocaust, whereas Netanyahu is wrong about Iran.
 
 
+20 # James38 2012-03-01 15:30
Astonishing - a real live (more or less) holocaust denier right here in RSN -- and how appropriate his initials are. How about it, SS, is the global warming thing a hoax too? Did President Kennedy commit suicide? We need to hear the truth, don't we? How far does your secret information go? Any hints as to how we can authenticate your statements?
 
 
+12 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 12:51
where were you during WW11 and the factual historical accounting of Jews being exterminating in ovens at Auswitch and Danchau, you shameless SQUIRREL?
 
 
-13 # RLF 2012-02-29 06:31
It is awful and every single person associated with the company at that time is dead...so what the hell is the point? Only to reinforce the idea that the US should support Israel no matter what they do because of our guilt...I got news for them...piss off!
 
 
+6 # globalcitizen 2012-02-28 14:31
Jews, Christians, Anyone who points out the connection between FASCISM AND CAPITALISM, must be given their due, however you are right to point out that many Zionist Christian and Jews misuse the Holocaust for their own version of Fascism, in this case Zionist Fascism, proving the duplicity of so many Jewish Zionists who misuse the label, "anti semitism" to hide their own history of Fascism.
 
 
-25 # The Voice of Reason 2012-02-28 15:33
Such a level of hatred you have. Palestine was what the Romans named the Holy Land after expelling the Jews in 70 AD. It was done as an insult to the Jews since Palestine was always the enemy of God, and Romans were godless. Why people cling to the name of Palestine escapes me.
 
 
+17 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-28 17:51
And it was so easy to look up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
... people who lived in the southern coast of Canaan at the beginning of the Iron Age (circa 1175 BC). ...
 
 
+24 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-28 18:10
This took me two minutes to find:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
...The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the region synonymous with that defined in modern times was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.[not in citation given] Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories,...
 
 
-97 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 15:45
What's with all the negative votes? If I made a mistake, where is it?
 
 
+38 # Doubter 2012-02-28 17:18
Rumor! At first I thought you might just be ignorant or joking, but you appear to be a wannabe re-writer of history.
Here's the first pictorial illustration of elimination camps I Googled:
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/
By the way, what's with the affected British spelling "rumour"- or are you an Englishman?
(I was there & saw a concentration camp with my own eyes)
 
 
-83 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 21:18
My, aren't we testy!

You should know that "concentration camp" and "death camp" are not the same. Can't trust your eyes, it seems.

There's nothing "affected" about my writing.

I don't rewrite history; I uncover the real history that has been buried.
 
 
+11 # Doubter 2012-02-29 15:36
So we didn't kill the Japanese we put in concentration camps, but we are speaking of the German concentration camps: "The concentration camps increasingly became sites where the SS authorities could kill targeted groups of real or perceived enemies of Nazi Germany." http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005263)
You can Google unlimited information on this subject should you wish to know the history.
 
 
-23 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-28 18:01
I think the gas chambers are well documented, but as for negative votes keep in mind that Israel has a well-paid active propaganda program and people who do hasbara.
 
 
-67 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 21:07
To be fair, the gas chambers are not well documented. The claims we all made post hoc, as reporter Eric Conan wrote in a lengthy 1995 exposé for France’s L’Express:. Besides, the subject is impossible to debate because the topic has been reduced to religious dogma.

The documentation is likely pure hasbara. Also, you're doubtless right about all the negative votes.
 
 
+23 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-29 06:29
I've seen evidence of gas chambers, even though I can't verify it personally, but SOMETHING killed all those people, so if not gas then what is the alternative? Shooting them. Why would the survivors not say the victims were shot instead of talking about the 'showers' then? The records are that gas was used as the most effective way of mass killing.

I do know personally that a number of my relatives disappeared then -- one cousin I talked to 'passed' as non-Jewish, but lost her immediate relatives. The holocaust, against both Jews and non-Jews was well established as I was growing up in the 50s.

As for hasbara, there is plenty of it now, but back in the 40s there was no such program, and the records and testimonies I saw dates from then. There is also a great deal of propaganda -- "hasbara" from holocaust deniers.

At this point hasbara takes two forms. One is centering on the atrocities of the Nazis as strictly anti-Jewish, and although it was largly against them many other died also: gays, socialist, Gypsies -- anyone who did not meet the Nazi master race' criteria -- or just policial opponents. And the 'victim' card has been played up for political advantage to an extreme degree. The zionists are now the greatest force feeding anti-semitism, which is tragic.

The other aspect of hasbara is the organized demonization and censorship of anyone criticizing Israel or zionists.
 
 
+2 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-29 09:04
Notice my above comment is marked with -8 negatives, down from -9 just now.

Is it because I said I think the chambers were well documented? I doubt it.

Or because I said that Israel has a propaganda machine? That seems likely -- but it well known they do, even from Israeli documents.In fact Jpost has a story about the Megaphone software.

Zionists hate the Uruknet news sites which reports news about Palestine and has made concerted efforts to shut it down. I was suddenly banned from two popular 'liberal' news sites right after I posted a link to Uruknet, with a message that they had gotten many complaints about me (even though posts were generally well recieved by the readers, according to their 'votes'). So I had to wonder, who was it that suddenly made all those complaints?

Not to mention the academic and media censorship! Or the need for political candidates to be vetted by AIPAC or JINSA. People learn about these things, and the zionists end up finding they have shot themselves in their feet by such deception
 
 
+1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 15:40
I don't understand your comments, Blue Pilgrim. Your comments have conflicting statments and ideas. Can you explain?
 
 
0 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-29 13:35
I neglected to include the link about megaphone

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=42902
 
 
+54 # 666 2012-02-29 06:35
Have you visited the death camps? Perhaps you don't think they even physically exist. I strongly urge you to visit Auschwitz - knowledge will make you free - look at the evidence there. For example, the room full of human hair containing Zyklon-B (that was the gas used); then look at the room full of german military textiles (eg field blankets) made from human hair containing Zyklon-B. Do some research on the chemical analysis of those textiles; read the Nuremberg trial documentation. Read the Nazi documentation; read the US military documentation. Open your fucking mind. You won't find any evidence unless you fucking look.

That said, I've also watched (in person) Israel bulldozing Palestinian homes and attacking Palestinians. Nazi Germany & SOME (not all) Israelis believe in the same hate-based fascist genocide but only qualitatively. Quantitatively what's happening in Israel/Palestin e differs greatly in scope from the Nazi Holocaust in that the Israelis are NOT (so far I know) pursuing a systemic final solution. That's not to excuse Israel's so-called "refugee" camps, but I do NOT know of any Palestinian "refugee" camps in which Israel is running gas chambers and cremation ovens. They aren't.

The US (especially business) has dirty hands from its involvement with both the Nazis & Israel.

Hate is the enemy, but Hate's closest collaborator is Ignorance (willful stupidity).
 
 
+3 # buzz 2012-03-05 04:42
You mention refugee camps. It is noteworthy that when Israel took over the Gaza strip after the six day war in 1967, it tried to clear out the refugee camps and built permanent houses for the Palestinians. The Palestinians refused to move into these house, and those that wanted to do so were threatened by Fatah.

There is no systematic murdering of Palestinians by Israelis. On the contrary, it is there Arab brethren who keep them in (refugee) camps and do not allow them integrate in the countries where they live.
 
 
+19 # pres92 2012-03-01 21:15
SecretSquirrel- You have stated that no proof exists to confirm that the Nazi's used gas chambers.Perhap s, you should view the testimony of Rudolf Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz at the Nuremberg Trial.

"The 'final solution' of the Jewish question meant the complete extermination of all Jews in Europe. I was ordered to establish extermination facilities at Auschwitz in June 1941. At that time, there were already in the General Government three other extermination camps: Belzek, Treblinka, and Wolzek. These camps were under the Einsatzkommando of the Security Police and SD. I visited Treblinka to find out how they carried out their exterminations. The camp commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000 in the course of one-half year. He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto. He used monoxide gas, and I did not think that his methods were very efficient. So when I set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, I used Cyklon B, which was a crystallized prussic acid which we dropped into the death chamber from a small opening. It took from 3 to 15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber, depending upon climatic conditions. We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped. We usually waited about one-half hour before we opened the doors and removed the bodies. After the bodies were removed our special Kommandos took off the rings and extracted the gold from the teeth of the corpses."
 
 
+8 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 15:43
Excellent historical documentation. PRES92
 
 
+9 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 15:33
SS: Your mistake is on two accounts

l) Your ignorance regarding American history & denial of the "Holocaust".

2) Your lack of empathy for the way in which millions of Jews suffered during Hitler's attempt to exterminate them by torture, burning in ovens, malnutrition, unruly medical experimentation , forced labor, witnessing family/friends shot, & beaten, & suffering other atrocities.

The Jews were innocent people who had their careers ruined, homes & property stolen from, lives & families torn apart in an unprecedented & inhumane manner.

What defines us as human beings & makes us different from beasts & psychopathic
personalities is empathy & a conscience. Humans beings are interconnected by a common humanity, and we have a soul.

A "good soul" connects with others by
feelings of compassion & good deeds elicited by empathy & a kind heart.

A "shrinking" soul is alienated from the suffering of others demonstrated by a "Holocaust Denier", RLF's cynical remark to "piss off", & your shameless, discourse on the "Holocaust", Secret Squirrel.
 
 
+8 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 12:46
Secret Squirrel: You speak as a Nazi Denier and Holacaust Apologist. Your Post name is an anecdote for "shameless"!
 
 
+68 # noitall 2012-02-28 13:28
They are regular Milo Minderbinders (as in "Catch-22"). I wonder how many contemporary corporations (people) fall into that catagory today? And who might be their Congressional benificiaries? Just wonderin'. I guess we'll have to read about it after it has left confidential status (in, what is it, 30 years?)...unles s a "criminal" like Manning blows the cover. Hey, its business and we all know how business doesn't need regulation. Come on, its the American way.
 
 
+77 # cadan 2012-02-28 13:32
oh geez this is the lowest of the low.

but those who commit these horrible crimes killing millions of people should not be forgotten, ibm included.
 
 
+8 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 15:44
What about Mossad and the CIA? Do THEY not deserve to be prosecuted for their horrible crimes?

Noitall's point is well taken.
 
 
+2 # The Voice of Reason 2012-02-28 18:55
All this anguish on both sides, and corrupt governments encompass the earth. For this reason 'Michael the great prince' will 'stand up' and 'rebuke the nations'.

It won't be a fascinating pious in the sky display of supernatural power. Just a slow but inexorably complete collapse of the corrupt institutions that define human society.

Also known as the Lord of Hosts, this world redeemer will summon the Jews back to Israel and ... hmmmm. Looks like he has already done this.

It might be wise to abandon the side taking, and look to the future when we all work together as one human race. Anger and hostilities are always justified, always destructive. When everything collapses, we will be saying 'Why did we do that' and we will still have to build all over again--without hatred and greed.
 
 
-24 # Secret Squirrel 2012-02-28 21:09
Can we please leave religion out of this? It is irrelevant. This is a purely political matter.
 
 
+7 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 15:48
Secret Squirrel: Religion is in no way irrelevant here. Have you studied any history, politics or logic? Your comments
are grossly misinformed.
 
 
-1 # colpow 2012-02-29 03:42
No one has summoned the Jews back to Israel. In fact, where I'm at here in the US, they are a growing and thriving population.
 
 
+4 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 17:12
SS: You are grossly misinformed!
 
 
0 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 17:13
Cadan: You are a man of integriy, GOD love you!
 
 
+98 # dick 2012-02-28 13:54
There was EXTENSIVE collaboration by U.S. & European capitalists with Hitler. Some was mainly profit motived (still evil). Some was anti-labor, seeking absolute CONTROL of degraded workers (see Henry Ford). Lots included rabidly enthusiastic support for fascism, which DID NOT DIE at end of WWII. Many of the worst Nazis were spread across North, Middle, & South America by the U.S. government, to
Keep Fascism Alive. This was abetted by the Catholic Church & private individuals, thoroughly documented. May people toss the term around casually, but corporate fascism really is an imminent threat to our staggering democracy.
 
 
+31 # kelly 2012-02-28 15:02
You forgot Joseph Kennedy...look into why he got pulled as our ambassador to England
 
 
+21 # 1984 2012-02-28 16:19
Dick: I think it is not imminent, we are already there.
 
 
+41 # Ray Kondrasuk 2012-02-28 13:59
One of the most devastatingly descriptive
closing paragraphs I've ever read.
 
 
+32 # Algonesh 2012-02-28 15:38
We would all view the corporate world and consider it more realistically if we embrace that last paragraph. Corporations are in business to do business and make money. They are not moral and we naively expect them to be.
 
 
+31 # Dee Balaam 2012-02-28 17:30
Not even now, when they have been granted personhood? And why should being in business to make money excuse immoral behaviour?
 
 
+15 # KittatinyHawk 2012-02-28 18:23
Businesses have become Nazi Corporations since 60's, many before...Greed, Death is all they know. may they have this fall on them
 
 
-2 # Emil Sinclair 2012-03-11 19:38
Actually, that last paragraph ruins the article; because, even for the so-called "strictly corporatists", for many of them it WAS about the anti-Semitism, the National Socialism and/or Zionists Jews helping the Jews to have an excuse to obtain the world's sympathy and illegally secure Palestine "for their own" and create the new Israel on the territory from which they were more than deservedly expelled, according to God Himself because of their many continuous backslidings, turning their backs on Him, and crucifying their own Christ or Messiah, only about four decades earlier, that they were so evil they couldn't and/or wouldn't even recognize, and most of whom still don't and/or won't recognize to this very day, still turning their back on their One and Only True Messiah and/or Christ who is their ONLY True Hope, Jesus the Christ...

But the Godless anti-Christians don't want to hear this truth, particularly here, so they will falsely call me "anti-Semitic" and "red-zone" me an extremely low number "oblivion". Whatever, the truth is still the truth, and they can't destroy it no matter how hard they try to do so, praise and thanks be to God alone.
 
 
+19 # bobby t. 2012-02-28 14:01
the author, arthur connen doyle of sherlock holmes fame, had a doctor watson. it has been said that doyle along with agatha christie were anti semites. ironic?
i watched the ibm computer that tied into the watson on jepeody that destroyed the two live champions and got a kick out of it, but also thought about the film terminator, where the robots took over the planet. but it all started with joseph heller's book, catch 22 which had the watsons of the world rolled up into one character, milo minderbender, a man who would do anything for money. too many of us are milos and this is the reason our race will not survive more than another fifty years or so. greed is not good.
 
 
+2 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 16:47
KittatinyHawk:
"Greed, Death is all they know, may
they have this fall on them,"


Greed, hatred, sadism & seeking revenge is what is keeping human beings from evolving collectively to a higher level of humanity that seeks peace rather than war.

We know inherently that settling conflict by torturing & killing others is wrong.

Seeking revenge on others, especially by sadistic means which we find unaccepable in "Nazi Corporations" & other enemies feeds into this mindset perpetuating war as the only means we know to live in the world today.

Surely, we can do better than this.
 
 
+37 # Regina 2012-02-28 14:02
The author is only partly right, in the final paragraph. Of course it was about the money, but back in that era, antisemitism was prevalent in the U.S., with quotas on inclusion in university enrollments, corporate hiring, etc. Watson was a major example of using one preference to support others of his choosing, i.e. "killing two birds with one stone."
 
 
+18 # Dee Balaam 2012-02-28 17:34
Just like anti-communism which, it seemed to me, was run with more vigour and application than ever anti-fascism was, under the aegis of Joe McCarthy. Seems there's always a need to a big Hate Campaign to be running.
 
 
+1 # Emil Sinclair 2012-03-11 19:50
The "anti-communism ", McCarthy blacklisting thing was really more about true anti-Semitism than anti-communism; but the latter was used to cover-up the anti-Semitism. Look at the fact that most of those who were blacklisted were Jews, because most of those who ran Hollywood (and run it to this day) were (and are) Jews. McCarthy and his cronies were really anti-Semites to the core, and that's why they lost, and didn't take very long for them to lose, their attempted Jew-destroying battle.
 
 
+24 # lcarrier 2012-02-28 14:06
The love of money is indeed the root of all evil.
 
 
+20 # globalcitizen 2012-02-28 14:07
This does not surprise me. When I was in my twenty's, back to the anti War Vietnam period, RAMPARTS, produced articles on the role GENERAL MOTORS, and othe U.S. companies played in their class link to Western totalitarian states.

Like so many activist Jews, back then David Horowitz was opposed to the Western Fascism and wrote articles for Ramparts. He understood the obvious connection between CORPORATE CLASS TYRANNY and STATE TOTALITARINISM/FASCISM.

However, this obvious link was not encouraged in the Universities, like Ohio State, because it went against the IDEOLOGICAL MYTH, that Fascism and Captalism were not intimately linked. Professor Klein, himself a teacher of Western History and Jewish Holocaust studies was forced to tread lightly on
this issue between THE EARLY WESTERN EMBRACE OF FRANCO AND HITLER against social forces opposed to FASCISM.

In fact, Western class states and their corporations only fought Fascism on military grounds, and not on IDEOLOGICAL grounds, re establishing conservative, reactionary class parties that would degenerated into FASCIST ZIONISM, FASCIST NATO, FASCIST U.S. class states, as the new AXIS OF WESTERN FASCISTS.
 
 
+28 # Peacedragon 2012-02-28 14:09
Will this knwledge have any consequences for the current IBM?
 
 
+45 # Pickwicky 2012-02-28 14:19
Before I decided to teach, I worked at IBM for two years. And for two years I heard nothing of this matter. I feel dirty and deceived. Why is this not general knowledge?
 
 
+15 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-28 17:59
I didn't work for IBM but was in computers for a long time, and I can't remember how many years ago I first heard this -- it seemed mostly like common knowledge even if not talked about often. Not surprising you would not hear of it by working for IBM, though.
 
 
-34 # globalcitizen 2012-02-28 14:21
Reader Supported News readers are conflicted, badly disconnected on the Historical betrayal mechanism which produced the class liberals which always were a class ideology, exclusive and degenerating over time.

I mention this because while I probably got my most negative votes from Liberals, I also got mostly positive feedback on the growing TOTATIARIAN FASCIST STATE, which in the hands of liberals, like the Weimar Republic, has ended in a POLICE STATE AND FASCIST LAWS.

There is a need for liberals to understand that the social principle established by the Enlightenment and revolutionary liberals, is not the same ideology of class compromising liberals, where all class ideologies DEGENERATE THROUGH CLASS COMPROMISES, TOTALITARIAN EMBRACE OF EMPIRE into, first, fascist appeasers, finally crossing the Rubicon, into FASCISTS themselves.

Class ideologies in class deformed historical cycles can only end in class tyranny, class tyrants and class Empires, making relative class labels, useless when they all haved arrived at the door of Fascist totaltiarianism:

President Obama and His Key Advisors are a Gang of War Criminals


http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1081

excerpt:

In international relations and international law, the same applies. Under the Nuremberg Principles, later incorporated into the United Nations Charter, to which the United States is a signatory...
 
 
-3 # globalcitizen 2012-02-28 16:38
Liberals often vote against social critics, like myself, for pointing out that they are anything but unreliable, when it comes to the history of BETRAYALS by class liberals who betrayed the Enlightenment and French revolution for the deformed class hierarchies replicating a new phase of class history, namely Late Capitalism linked to degenerating class tyranny, degenerating class ideologies, where finally class labels have no meaning or purpose except that they recreated class totaltiarianism i.e. Fascism.

Liberals like Beethoven and Hegel would watch this degenerating class cycle on the Enlightenment and civil society, just as the ancient Greeks did, millenniums ago, and condemned the cowardice, class compromising by Liberal class politicians, who all morphed into class tyrants and later into Fascism and police states. Beethoven, initially, dedicated his musical piece and support for the French revolution, but renamed it "Eroica", when Napoleon betrayed social patriotism for class-nationali sm and colonialism and called himself an Emperor. Beethoven tore out the dedication page and declared:

" So he is no more than a common mortal. Now too, he will tread underfoot all the rights of man, indulge only in ambitions, now he will think himself superior to all men, become a tyrant."

The creation of class-patriotis m, class nationalism is the basis on which all class tyrants are constructed, including Late Capitalism.
 
 
+2 # Pickwicky 2012-03-01 15:28
Globalcitizen, please write again after you develop an organized mind
 
 
+47 # reiverpacific 2012-02-28 14:22
No surprise but a good additional article on the admiration of many senior US government and business power brokers for the Hitler Nazis (Not to mention Patrick Buchanan's stated admiration for Francisco Franco) with the continuation of that mentality to this day. The Dulles bro's were implicit for getting free passage to ther US and certain S. American hideaways for some of the "more useful" Nazi Scientist and Doctors who experimented on C.C. (and I don't mean Country Club) inmates and should have been in the dock at Nuremberg with Frick, Gøering, Von Ribbentrop etc.
Also Prescott Bush who did business directly with companies like Krupps and Hitler's war-machine.
And you might wonder how the US military Death-culture and worship-of-anyt hing-in-uniform keeps alive and well lo all these years later.
More evidence is being unearthed all the time about US -Nazi direct links and those who would have the sorry spectacle repeat itself here -and are pushing us all closer weekly. -But how would they treat the Jews now, so powerful is that lobby and so similar is LIKUD's revenge and war apparatus to those who did unto them what they'd like to do to Iran and are trying to do to Palestine? -There's the rub!
 
 
+31 # disgusted American 2012-02-28 17:54
Yes, the Bush family fortune comes partially from the Prescott Bush's involement with the Third Reich. He reaped profits made on the backs of the free labor in the concentration camps.

Also, one or two on the American Eugenics Society board were invited to Germany to instruct Himmler on the sterilzation part of the Holocaust. The American Eugenics Society was promoting sterilization of Negroes when the slaves were freed b/c the wealthy elite didn't want their taxes to go up care for these uneducated souls. The story of this horror can be watched in the documentarly Maafa 21: Black Genocide in the 21st Century. And many black American politicans sold out to the agenda. You must get this DVD to grasp the full, horrific picture.

And, in the book, Holocaust by Bullets, there's a chapter on understanding the truth. It speaks about how crimes such as the Holocaust and other mass genocides are perpetrated right in front of the masses who chose to live in denial. It's a philosophy that all gov't use. And, you can fast forward this to what is happening in America today regarding the crimes of the U.S. gov't against the 99 percent.

btw, American knew what was going on in Germany but stayed out for quite some time.
 
 
+6 # lorenbliss 2012-02-29 12:53
For the best semiotic proof of the admiration for Nazis and Nazi Germany characteristic of "the US military Death-culture," note not just the SS insignia adopted by Marine Corps Scout/Sniper units but the distinctly Nazified, Darth Vader shape of the helmet now issued by all U.S. forces and most U.S. allies.
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2012-03-01 05:50
Don't forget Ronald Reagan's homage to the SS at the cemetery at Bitburg Germany. He praised the SS as patriots and he admired their sacrifices for their nation.

Charles Lindberg, the hero of american aviation, was also Hitler's greatest cheerleader in the US.

In the 30s very many Ameicans loved hitler and Nazism.
 
 
+2 # Pickwicky 2012-03-01 15:38
RMDC--true to a point. IBM put their machines and engineers to devising ways and maintaining ways of tabulating genocide. Distinguish between that action and seeing (however blindly) something of worth in Hitler's Germany.
 
 
0 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 17:19
Reiverpacific: The only rub is "inside"
you & bespoken by your anti-Israeli comments.
 
 
+22 # kelly 2012-02-28 14:25
Disgusting!
 
 
+15 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-02-28 14:32
Tragic and then some, evil greed and power addiction is not something new in the history of humankind. The story, told to me by a lovely friend of mine, a brilliant Ph.D. in economics, gave me a ray of hope that I still cling to today.

When on a business trip to Europe, my friend called her cousin in Poland, and arranged to meet him at the concentration camp where his mother had died during WW2.

The cousins met, and my friend began taking photos, the first with her cousin standing beneath the concentration camp's overhead sign. Other photos followed, with her male cousin standing inside the camp at various places.

Once back in the States, my friend had the photos developed, and was shocked to see the photos showed a woman standing beside her male cousin, when my friend no such person had been anywhere nearby when the photos were taken.

Calling her cousin in Poland, my friend, upon being asked, described the woman who so curiously and unexplicably, had appeared in the photos. Dead silence. Then her cousin tearfully said he believed the woman was his mother, the same woman who had been put to death at the camp dozens of years earlier. After receiving and viewing the photos, he called my friend and verified that indeed, it was his dear departed mother.

So, evil greed and power addicted 1%ers, including IBMers, today's slayers in Gaza, in oh so profitable for the l% wars, etc. - hell looms!
 
 
+7 # Dee Balaam 2012-02-28 17:49
An amazing story. Such a pity that these victims do not appear en masse to the torturers and killers, night after night, until they are driven . . . But IBM prospered: 'natural justice' demands they should not - they and all the other aiders and abettors. I do not believe in an afterlife; I wish I could and therefore gain comfort that all man's evil doings will be punished, since we don't seem to be able to manage that here on earth.
 
 
+8 # Doubter 2012-02-28 20:18
I am not a "believer" but your story gave me 'goose bumps' just the same.
 
 
+17 # 666 2012-02-29 06:49
While I don't believe in ghosts either, Auschwitz (in Poland) is still haunted... and NOT just by the ghosts of the victims. The last time I was there, I was horrified to see anti-semitic and pro-nazi graffiti crudely spray-painted outside a number of buildings...
 
 
+4 # lorenbliss 2012-02-29 12:12
This story stands my hair on end. I cannot doubt its truth: my father appeared to me as he died 3000 miles away, and I've likewise seen or felt the presence of other geographically distant relatives at their moments of death. Perhaps this is genetic: though my family name is English, our genes are mainly Celtic, mostly Scots.

But even as a (notably skeptical) newspaper reporter, I've heard all sorts of credible ghost stories from cops, fire fighters, paramedics, park rangers and even a few military people, and as a photographer (who like most older photogs spent a lot of time in the darkroom), I am uncomfortably aware of the eerie and inexplicable capabilities occasionally evidenced by emulsion, particularly of black-and-white film.

That said, I remain an agnostic, convinced we will eventually discover – probably in the unknown dimensions of the human mind – a rational explanation for so-called “paranormal” phenomena.

Nevertheless great trauma – especially trauma of the concentration-c amp or battlefield intensity – must surely leave traces on its surroundings. Hence the many accounts of hauntings in such places, including for example the Pennsylvania meadow in which Flight 93 crashed.

As my Wiccan kinfolk might say, may the cousin's mother find karmic peace. And may her killers suffer unspeakable misery through all their remaining lifetimes: so mote it be.
 
 
0 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 19:19
Lorenbliss: You are a very wise person.
Do you really believe that it will help the Mother, her family or any human being if "her killers suffer unspeakable misery through all their remaining life-times?" The woman died a tragic, unjust death which cannot be made less tragic or unjust by misery inflicted on her killers. The suffering of Jews tortured by Nazis cannot be lessened by torturing the torturers.

We have a judicial system with legal procedures, criminal & civil laws, punishments, & relativistic justice.

There is a universal system of justice operating beyond our earthly existence in ways & in a time span beyond our full comprehension, but it exists endlessly.

The only way to end the rampant hatred, cruety, greed, envy & conflict leading to war is to stop pointing our fingers at others, & hoping they'll suffer as much misery as they caused others.

Instead, we need to start looking inside ourselves. At our thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, actions. At the words we use to describe & condemn others. If we are ever to to be part of a collective consciousness that promotes peace rather than war, we need to evolve individually before we can evolve to a higher level as a community & nation.
 
 
+28 # luvdoc 2012-02-28 14:36
Inasmuch as IBM has neither taken responsibility nor made amend's for its horrific acts, may this corporate person reap the evil it has sown. luvdoc
 
 
+23 # jayjay 2012-02-28 14:39
I'd be interested to know how many jurisdictions have laws prohibiting any commerce with entities that supported Nazi extermination policies in WWII. The state of Maryland has one and that threw a monkey wrench into an order for railway cars from the French National Railway System since that entity actively supported the Nazis by furnishing the trains that took people to deaht camps in Eastern Europe.
 
 
+6 # KittatinyHawk 2012-02-28 18:33
Ironic, the French sending others to death.
No one was above this tyranny. Sad so many died for such Criminal nations
 
 
+7 # 666 2012-02-29 06:51
I believe he refers to collaborationis t France. And not so surprising when one sees the ultra-conservat ive racist running France today. Again, hate is the enemy
 
 
+34 # fredboy 2012-02-28 14:44
Thomas Watson, Henry Ford, and who knows how many other US business types were drawn to Hitler's swagger. One reason I never bought an IBM or Ford product, and never will.
 
 
+24 # lastethicallawyer 2012-02-28 15:10
There are some convenient facts that the author chooses to ignore.

1. Anti-semitism was not just a Nazi confine. The Catholic Church as a group (not referring to some courageous acts by individual office bearers) with particular note to the Pope, was extremely well placed to make efforts to save lives,or to make efforts to make public statements? Why did it not? Because it was policy to condemn them.

What about the active conduct of Petaine and the French Vichy regime? By all reports they were more vigilante in round ups than the brown shirts.

One can safely say that almost every major german company had some role, active or passive. When does this stop.

We all condemn the vile conduct. Lets not forget that there many others besides the Jews that were subject to evil, both by the Nazis and by others over the millenium. Be it the moors in Spain, the 30 million in Soviet Russia, Rwanda, Victims of imperalism and colonialism.

And of course the most blatant and ongoing genocidal conduct, done with acquescience, and complicity of the majority of the world.......

There is a time to move on... do we allow the Israelis to get away with genocide because they were victims once??
 
 
+10 # kyzipster 2012-02-28 16:37
It's never time to move beyond new facts and a tenth anniversary and new edition of this book is worthy of a short article on this website. None of this research is proof that this author has 'ignored' other aspects of history, you obviously have a grudge of some kind.
 
 
+10 # reiverpacific 2012-02-28 16:53
"lastethicallaw yer" (love that nom-de-plume). Good comment. Just a small correction; The Moors in Spain were much more tolerant of the Christian inhabitants, Hebrews, Gypsies and other races or religions for the 700-odd years they occupied Iberia -although the Basques kept after 'em- and actually practiced a kind of Moorish democracy. It was in the aftermath of the re-conquest and the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella that the Auto-da-fe was instigated and the true reign of terror, intolerance and persecution began and spread it's brutality throughout and Europe eventually the Americas in the name of Rome.
You point out correctly though, that genocide was not confined to Nazi Germany (ask any American Indian) but for the purposes of this debate, the article is about the collaboration of those in power representing an allegedly Democratic regime with those who came closer to any nation to carrying forward to it's ultimate conclusion, a "Final Solution".
Glad you mentioned the current LIKUD and MOSSAD criminals in Israel and here though, as did I.
 
 
+9 # lastethicallawyer 2012-02-28 19:18
Thanks. I am actually on leave due to my stance against ethical breaches and have taken on my governing body due to its failure to address blatant ethical (and legal breaches). Thanks for the correction!! Hitler was scary, but I wonder if others are aware of the millions that Mao took care of or Pol Pot, OR .... so many others!
 
 
+9 # Dee Balaam 2012-02-28 17:56
Yep - cannot understand how the Soviet Union gets away with murdering anything from 20 million to 40 million people during the Stalin years and the world remained fairly quiet. It's always the Nazis/Fascists, perhaps because their deeds were visible and well documented (by themselves and others). But the Soviet Union is rarely mentioned in discussions about genocide compared with the number of times Fascism is mentioned.
 
 
+8 # sixtycg 2012-02-28 19:13
Quoting Dee Balaam:
But the Soviet Union is rarely mentioned in discussions about genocide compared with the number of times Fascism is mentioned.


Ditto for the Chinese. 10's of millions perished under Mao, too. Both Stalin and Mao get a pass, but that is also in large part to both countries being mostly closed to the West, where the camps in Poland and Germany were very well documented immediately after the war.
 
 
0 # Emil Sinclair 2012-03-11 20:32
...And because globalists like the Rockefeller family empowered Mao and Stalin, as well as Hitler. But all of that is covered up. So they let the result(s) of Nazi Germany gain attention partly as a distraction from the complicity of powerful families and forces in the West, including in the U.S. like the Rockefeller's and Bush's, etc. It's an age-old propaganda tool; keep the "peasants" distracted from knowing who the real, behind-the-scen es enemies are. And, because "great families" like the Rockefellers are "philanthropist s", pro-U.N. and pro-globalism, also as part of the distraction-by- design, and in order to "launder" their obscene profits and keep them from as much taxation as possible, now zero under the neoliberal, corporate-fasci st, globalist policies of the U.S. government at present, and to bring about their one-world government, "New World Order (NWO)", global enslavement, they are given a pass too. But they are really the disguised Stalins and Maos, and mass-murderers behind the scenes, all the way from their help in creating some of the most atrocious, mass-murderous dictators and governments in relatively recent history, all the way up to today, further disguised as more and more "benevolent globalism" which is anything but.

The psychopaths and sociopathic mass-serial-mur derers love and worship death; and, like their lord and master, Satan, they want most of humankind completely exterminated from the face of the earth via even more mass-genocide.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-02-28 18:39
I am old school Catholic although the dark ages in all faiths were abhorrent, we were never taught any hatred of Jews. We were reminded of their Faith and that Jesus was of them.
so you like others like to hear yourself bs about Catholics, leading me to see you are no better than those who condemn any Faith or Race. Most only condemn anything if it fits their needs to do so.

We have allowed Armies of all Nations to commit genocide/holoca usts everywhere...th e blood in on everyone one of us. Head in the Sand Humans...no one has the right to claim to be Victim, every Faith, Race has been victim...we have annihilated everything we touch Human, Animal, Land, Air, Water. It is all we know
 
 
+14 # lastethicallawyer 2012-02-28 19:23
If you were never taught the hatred of the jews then you were taught a very false history. Check some decent history books. The pope refused despite requests to act unilaterally in spite of the knowledge that he could have ordered the churches be used as sanctuary.

The Catholic persecution gave australia the Stolen Generation, It gave death and misery to much of America, and grief in Ireland and England for many centuries. But hey lets not be harsh against catholics because thats not what you were taught!! Jesus h Christ.... You think they were telling the german kids at school that there were wiping out another race. You think the South African schools told people that they were murdering any one that was outspoken against the Regime (Biko anyone???)

Typical catholic. How about you use the computer in front of you to research these issues? You know I got told that there was a man born to a virgin.... Crikey that is awesome.... but only like woman I think the story is f..ked
 
 
+1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 19:27
GOOD COMMENT! lastethicallawy er
 
 
-1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 19:25
Bitter, bitter, bitter
 
 
-1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 20:15
This is a reply for KittatinyHawk.
 
 
+2 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-29 07:20
Genocide is nothing new or exceptional in history, or in current events, nor is the demonization of various groups for either policial purposes and as a result of tribalism. The genocide against the Jews by Nazis is not the worst of them, but has been focused on for political and financial reasons.

One genocide or ethnic cleansing does not justify another, not does it justify campaigns of deceptive or slanted political propaganda.
 
 
+6 # X Dane 2012-02-29 22:36
lastethicallawy er. you are right about all the ones collaborating with the Germans. The Pope did. And, the movie: "Sarah's key" horrifyingly illustrates the complicity of the French police in rounding up the Jews.

They were every bit as cruel and sadistic as the Germans.
I was shocked, I had no idea that the French were such bastards. Of course I should not be shocked with all that is going on in the world, and here also.
 
 
-1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 19:29
X DANE: I love your comments. You are so upfront and call it the way it is!
 
 
+21 # Willman 2012-02-28 15:47
Citizens of today do not stand a chance against any multinational corporation in any sector.
IBM got away with their heinous acts then and plenty have followed in their path.
 
 
+20 # lydiablanchard@yahoo.com 2012-02-28 16:53
I remember during South African apartheid (not that it has ended on all levels) that it was widely known and said that IBM provided the white South African government the same computer support that Black describes: a demonic way to catalog Blacks in order "better" to control them.

Does this sound familiar in current U.S. culture, where governments and corporations are hiding why and how people are being banned from air flights and spied upon as they object to atrocities in peaceful groups? From Occupy to Quakers, we are being spied upon and computerized and have been for decades.
 
 
+16 # DaveM 2012-02-28 17:09
Yet another fine example of how the greatest horrors are perpetrated not by ranting leaders as such, but by those who do as they are told without question. Who "only do their jobs" while allowing a loud voice or a set of ideas backed by force to replace conscience.

There are reams (at least) of surviving documents from companies that created or maintained the machinery of the Holocaust. Notable is a body of correspondence between J.A. Topf and Sons and members of the Nazi hierarchy. Asked to produce crematoria for the concentration camps, Topf did not question the need for or purpose of the furnaces. They merely asked for specifications, offered several designs, and in at least one letter, a Topf employee wrote "we look forward to the pleasure of your custom". As Topf employees supervised at and assisted with the construction of the crematoria at Auschwitz and possibly other camps, it is impossible to conclude that they believed their customer would put their products to an innocent use.
 
 
+15 # capnDave 2012-02-28 17:37
Don't forget that Fanta Orange was created by Coca Cola to stay in business in Nazi Germany. I still won't drink it.
 
 
-14 # Jmac 2012-02-28 19:01
Henry Ford was a sympathizer as well but I don't see Ford being villified here.
Apple, Microsoft and a host of other companies are doing the same thing for our gov't right now so where's the uproar?
This was a silly story to publish, it's well documented but all those responsible are long dead or will quickly be. maybe we should continue to condemn the whole country of Germany for this as well.
 
 
+6 # lastethicallawyer 2012-02-28 19:15
kyzipster. What is your view then on Schindtler's list? to me he is no better than the mena of IBM (or Bayer IGFA and others) he was an opportunist who got the guilts. lets not forget that part of the story. Look up Varian Fry if you want true altruism. And we don't forget, but we move forward. Look at Mandela who forgave and moved forward, Look at Izzeldin Abuealaish who did the same. Hatred is a cancer, To suggest that I have a grudge is just a stupid comment.

1. I have visited these sites of evil. I visited Buchenwald, evil enough that at the end they sent people from Auschwitz there. I openly wept when I went to the Jewish section, but there was just as many of the gypsies, disabled, political dissidents that disappeared too.

My ax to grind is against genocide anywhere by anyone. It is my field of study and I have looked at it from the angle of my own country (Australia) and have looked at the effect on other British colonies (US, Canada, South Africa -- yes british before they handed it back to the Dutch, the Boer war remember). The difference between almost all of these and the Israel on is that the world powers (US and UN) are failing to act to condemn the actions of Israel.
 
 
+11 # 666 2012-02-29 07:14
Schindler's remorse and subsequent actions ARE the whole point. I'm not taking a shot at you, yet perhaps as a lawyer, you've lost sight of the human element - it's the not-seeing-the- forest-for-the- trees problem. Humans CAN change. If we can't we're all doomed.

Legally, Schindler was guilty as a nazi collaborator -- no one would deny that, not Spielberg, not Israel who accorded him a hero's burial. But here, the LAW is not the point of the story - although even the law allows for sentence modifications as a result of one's subsequent actions. Our subsequent actions don't excuse our wrongs, but they can redeem us as human beings.

Morally, the fact that Schindler experienced guilt and remorse for his actions, recognized these people were human beings, and then did SOMETHING--howe ver small--is what makes him heroic and gives us all hope that in such dark times, we too might find the courage to turn from evil and try to do good.

Like Greek heroes, we are all deeply flawed and imperfect, but the real hope of our existence is that we might learn from our errors and mistakes, act human, and do what is right.

Socrates and Plato believed that by using our reason, we might learn to recognize the falseness of our "lower, and outer existence" and, perhaps, come to know "the idea of the good", the highest possible human attainment.
 
 
+1 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 19:59
666: This is a totally brilliant comment.
"Schindlers List" is an outstanding example of the ability of a rational human being to change and ascend from a self-centered hedonist to an authentic hero. Schindler, who was seen as a chauvinist, sadistic cynic ascended from the cave and evolved to a level where he came to sanctify human beings. It was a brilliant movie; a classic demonstrating the indomitability of the human spirit & how a man came to find the goodness in his heart & the"courage to turn from evil and try to do good." I am a Platonic scholar and could not agree with you more about "using our reason..
"to recognize the falsness of our "lower and outer existence".."to know "the idea of the good", the highest possible human attainment." Do you teach philosophy?
 
 
+17 # maroon1 2012-02-28 20:54
The indigenous people did not attempt genocide on a mass global scale, particularly of Europeans who came here. That courtesy was not extended to us. The non-European visitors to Turtle Island, who came before Columbus, did not attempt to exterminate Natives either. I could safely say some people's hands are relatively clean though not totally clean, compared to those who practiced the weaponized forms of Christianity both Catholic and Protestant.

You reduce a population from 60 Million to less than 4 million in North America alone, or in the case of Hawaii, 1 million to less than 100,000 or less depending on how you count, then its clear Hitler and Stalin are amateurs compared to the US, at least with non-white peoples, however those are defined. It doesn't really matter if you think God or White Jesus is on your side, (As with the US Cavalry in North America, or the US Navy in Hawaii) or its nothing personal, just business (As with IBM et al).

Hitler is alleged to have said that his inspiration for the Holocaust, was the American treatment of Natives. Tentatively accepting that at face value, then based on body count alone, he didn't even approach the scale of U.S. genocide even with the help of IBM, Ford, Chase, ITT-Siemens, Standard Oil, and a host of others.
 
 
+10 # maroon1 2012-02-28 20:58
That IBM got the contract to assist South Africa, and South Africa killed a million and a half Africans in neighboring countries going after the ANC, in the 80's according to the UN. That Israel, the United States, the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, all gave Chemical Biological Warfare technology to the South African government to use against Mandela and company during the apartheid era, is really kind of an extension of the ideologies of supremacy of one set of people over another. That the Bush family was in business with both Hitler and the Bin Laden's, only underscores a certain ethic: your God is actually money. Cuz we know Jesus didn't kill nobody, nor lead armies, and uhhh what was that thing with the moneychangers, and how easy it was for rich people getting into heaven compared to camels? Corporations may be persons, but they have no moral code, nor under U.S. law can they have one other than returning a profit to shareholders. Any attempts to appear moral, are simply PR moves to protect profit. They can't be jailed or put to death when they engage in actions that result in the deaths of human beings, habitats, or ecosystems. Never bought IBM products, though as a fan of Apple, if my iPhone and iPad are produced by people who make $17 for a 12 hour day, some who commit suicide, how am I to respond, being a descendant of slaves?
 
 
+7 # maroon1 2012-02-28 20:59
I couldn't boycott Standard Oil because of their Nazi involvement. I have mixed feelings about my Chase bank account, not only because of their wartime involvement, but because of their current involvement with shady mortgage practices. I didn't stop buying BP's ARCO gas after the Gulf Oil Spill. I'm glad the article was published, and in addition to more of this story coming out, it should by pointed out not only other instances, but what individuals can do to repair or clean up whatever damage was done. It's not relevant that the people originally responsible are dead, their policies are still being carried out, and we benefit from them at the expense of other human beings. So the question becomes, how are you in your daily life alleviating the suffering of those around you. How do you heal the historical and current cultural and physical genocide? You could start with your own, if you are courageous enough to admit what was done to your folks. Or you could just suck it up and forgeddabout it, buy more stuff or the terrorists win...hows that workin out for ya?
 
 
+8 # lorenbliss 2012-02-29 01:47
Bottom line: capitalism=fasc ism=Nazism=maxi mum profit. Same story everywhere, especially obvious in Nazi Germany (aka the Third Reich) or in the United States of America (the de facto Fourth Reich).
 
 
-27 # rosross 2012-02-29 01:50
Secret Squirrel is right, there is no evidence for gas chambers. It is however a weighty subject and anyone interested would need to do a great deal of reading - most of it not on the net which has been hijacked by holocaust propagandists.
Much of what we know has been fed to us as propaganda for two reasons: the victor writes history and the Nazi oppression of Jews was taken up by the Zionists as an excuse to establish a Jewish theocracy in Palestine. The world swallowed it out of guilt and the rest is history.
apart from the fact that religions don't have land rights and do not a race, people, or nation make, the Zionists in the beginning and still and Israelis and Jewish and Christian supporters still, hold to the Jewish suffering at the hands of the Nazis - marketed as The Holocaust - as the justification for the invasion, occupation and colonisation of Palestine. And so the holocaust propaganda not only needs to be maintained it needs to be intensified.
 
 
-11 # rosross 2012-02-29 01:51
Part Two
The irony of course is that it is Germany which should have been partitioned to create Israel - not Palestinians, the latter being complete innocents and the ultimate victims in this cause.
To a large degree however, gas chambers or not, 6 million Jews or 1 million Jews, is irrelevant. The Holocaust Industry has been so milked that it no longer carries weight in the world at large and the Israelis have made two states impossible so it will be one secular state, with a Palestinian majority, called you can bet, Palestine.
 
 
0 # dorianb@fuse.net 2012-03-02 20:06
rosross: "6 million Jews or 1 million Jews is irrelevant." Who made you the judge of HUMAN LIFE?
 
 
+13 # wullen 2012-02-29 02:59
I have all the proof I need. The Dr who handled my birth was the first American Dr. to arrive at the liberation of Auswitch. He had to decide who to save, who to let die. He saw the gas chambers. He saw it all. He told us stories when he came to dinner. These were not lies.
 
 
+7 # bluepilgrim 2012-02-29 08:15
Yes -- there are many people alive now who knew eyewitnesses or had perents who lived through it, and even a few left who lived through it personally -- some of whom object to Israel's current actions. Many Jews also oppose the creation of Israel, although there are fewer anti-zionists than there were at the start of the movement.

To oppose either the existence of an Istraeli state, or it's actions, does not mean one has to deny the genocide or the existence of anti-semitism. Listen to Norman Finklestein, who lost realtives, and yet is a fierce anti-zionist.
 
 
+14 # Valleyboy 2012-02-29 09:24
Ah, corporate enabling of the holocaust... it's starting to come out.

We know that Ford produced tanks for the Nazis, and in fact sued the gov of America after WWII for bombing one of their German factories!

Most people however, don't know the extent the pestiside & GM producing Bayer & BASF enabled the holocaust.
They were part of chemical conglomerate Faben IG that gave massive campaign contributions to bring Hitler to power.
They practically ran Auschwitz, in return for massive profits. They supplied Zyklon B, the gas used in the extermination chambers. The slave labour camp at Auschwitz provided labour. They were paid to select prisoners for Mengali's experiments.

Full info here: http://www.gmwatch.eu/latest-listing/1-news-items/13646-bayer-and-the-holocaust

Importantly, the Chief Prosecutor at Nuremburg, Telford Taylor, said "These companies, not the lunatic Nazi fanatics, are the main war criminals. If the guilt of these criminals is not brought to light and they are not punished they will pose a far greater threat to world peace than Hitler would if he was still alive."

50 years after the fact, as corporations ruthlessly destroy our planet & cultures for profit, it seems he hit the nail on the head.
 
 
0 # Emil Sinclair 2012-03-11 21:11
That's I.G. Farben, or Farben I.G., which became Bayer, Merck, etc., after the war. I.G. Farben was protected from Allied bombs during the war, with the complete complicity of the U.S. and British governments, but cities full of hundreds of thousands of civilians, in both Germany and Japan, were intentionally and systematically carpet and fire bombed, resulting in probably at least a couple of million mass-murdered innocent civilians. War, especially in this day and age, ever since the days of WW1 (sic) at least, is one great big huge monolithic crime of an orgiastic mass-death worshiping cult of corporate-fasci st globalists who run the U.S. and the entire world.
 
 
+2 # wleming 2012-02-29 10:28
heres to mr. watson
and the money that he made
as ibm paved the way
to genocide.... for cash
international bureau of murder
 
 
+2 # frankscott 2012-02-29 12:54
ibm was one of many american firms that profited from the war by doing business with - and for - nazi germany but this singling out of that firm's alleged practices, when so many others not only made money but were paid "reparations" by american taxpayers after the war for having their facilities - in germany! - destroyed by our bombers, simply reads like the latest in a series of holocaust hustles, the demeaning of a real human tragedy by making it somehow seem even worse so as to make present tragedies, no matter how terrible, seem like light stuff compared to "six million" dead and "gas chambers" and other horrors, as though the ethnic cleansing and massacres were not enough and had to be further mythologized to become religious gospel enforced with heresy trials for critics and doubters...enou gh already...
 
 
-3 # Martintfre 2012-02-29 20:44
Was IBM doing this because they were an evil corporate capitalistic pig - or because Hitler's socialist government paid them to record what they did?
 
 
+3 # bluepilgrim 2012-03-02 08:54
They did it for the money -- the only reason a capitalist corporation does anything. That's the intrinsic evil within capitalism. Whether an action is good or evil is irrelevant -- only profits count.
 
 
+9 # ganymede 2012-02-29 21:18
What an interesting thread. Imagine, an actual Holocaust Denier in our midst and a lot of other crazy stuff about zionist and liberal fascism, and the startling news that American capitalists made money off the nazis. The facts are that 3-4 million European Jews plus 1-2 million Poles, Gypsies, leftwingers, priests, homosexuals disappeared off the face of the earth after being scooped up by the Germans. There is evidence up the gazoo that at least half these people were killed in authentic gas chambers - much of the evidence is still there. Anyone who denies the obvious is just as bad as the perpetrators of these evil deeds.
 
 
-3 # Martintfre 2012-03-02 06:43
So who is the holocaust denier?
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2012-03-01 05:47
George Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a Nazi collaborator and much more "pivotal" to Hitler than IBM. We don't see selected prosecutions. IBM is an easy target. Most US corporations supported Nazism. Now they are supporting the US criminal wars all over the world. The people killed by the US in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Vietna, Korea, Latin America, Africa are just as much the victims of geocide as anyone in WW II. The holocaust has become a distraction -- a way of making us not think about the continuing holocaust against the darker peoples of the third world in the period since WW II.
 
 
-1 # Sleddog 2012-03-01 09:55
This article is poorly written and slung with emotionally charged rhetoric presented from a “hindsight has 20/20 vision” perspective. Blaming the Nazi’s use of the Hollerith punch-card tabulating machine, and now, years later indicting IBM as Nazi collaborators, is like blaming FORD for every drunk driver in the history of the automobile. The Hollerith machine was used by many other countries pre-WW2 as a means to tabulate census information. IBM did not knowingly do business with the intent of participating in genocide. Blaming IBM for the holocaust is akin to blaming United Airlines for the Sept 11th attacks. This is a ridiculous and cynical attempt at selling your book, which you mention several times in poor taste I might add. On a personal note. My Grandfather, a lifelong IBM executive was also a Special Officer during the invasion of Europe and tasked with retrieving Hollerith Punch Cards to be used in the prosecution of Nazis and to aid in the liberation of Nazi prisoners as the allied forces moved towards Berlin. An angle you’ve clearly lacked to research as there were many soldiers assigned with this task. Your article is written as if IBM knowingly participated in genocide and reveals your lack of perspective on these historical events and shows little journalistic integrity in an attempt to create conspiracy theories where there were none. A one-sided piece of biased dribble and overall disrespectful to all the people who lost their lives in that war.
 
 
-10 # Sleddog 2012-03-01 12:06
This article is poorly written and slung with emotionally charged rhetoric presented from a “hindsight has 20/20 vision” perspective. Blaming the Nazi’s use of the Hollerith punch-card tabulating machine, and now, years later indicting IBM as Nazi collaborators, is like blaming FORD for every drunk driver in the history of the automobile.
The Hollerith machine was used by many other countries pre-WW2 as a means to tabulate census information. IBM did not knowingly do business with the intent of participating in genocide. Blaming IBM for the holocaust is akin to blaming United Airlines for the Sept 11th attacks. Your book is about sensationalizin g a very small role in IBM’s history in Germany.
On a personal note. My Grandfather, a lifelong IBM executive was also a Special Officer during the invasion of Europe and tasked with retrieving Hollerith Punch Cards to be used in the prosecution of Nazis and to aid in the liberation of prisoners as the allied forces moved towards Berlin. An angle you’ve clearly lacked to research as there were many soldiers assigned with this task.
Your article is written as if IBM knowingly participated in genocide and reveals your lack of perspective on these historical events and shows little journalistic integrity in an attempt to create conspiracy theories where there were none. A one-sided piece of biased dribble and overall disrespectful to all the people who lost their lives in that war.
 
 
-1 # Sleddog 2012-03-01 22:05
I'm wondering if the -2 people who took the time to thumbs down this response understand the importance of disagreement. I am giving you important information about a soldier that was an IBM employee both before and after the war. A man that put his life at risk on D-day and every day afterwards, to recover information made on machines his company sold to the Nazi because it became apparent what the Nazis were using these machines for. The author has it wrong, and I'm offering all readers of this article second hand knowledge of a story about accountability. As a special officer, his duty was to use the Intel from recovered punch-cards to help superior officers strategically plan advancement of allied forces. I grew up listening to these stories and I find it a disgrace to his memory that people would so easily believe this distortion of what was then common knowledge. It's so easy now to read something on Facebook for a brief moment and then reiterate it as fact. But I'm telling you all for truth's sake, the author has exaggerated IBM's involvement. Just Google "Hollerith Machines" and judge for yourself. IBM's subsidiary did sell these machines to the NAZI, there were allied efforts to recover this information during the war, and PR attempts to soften the impact. They are not a modern incantation of evil. Business is their middle name. As I suspect the authors' to be too.
 
 
-4 # globalcitizen 2012-03-01 18:17
Pickwicki: I am proud of both my positive votes, over 55, from liberals who see my social critique against reactionary class ideologues as true, as I am proud of the 30 Negative votes, from the same liberals, who fail to realize that social criticism against all class ideologies, including liberalism constitutes an organized ideological mind.

A social mainifesto and historical theory

http://asocialmanifestoagainstclasshistory.com
 
 
-6 # george-elliott 2012-03-01 18:30
First, thanks to everyone who took the time to participate in this discussion. Nobody gets more than 24 hours a day; so thanks for spending some of that non-replaceable resource on this discussion. Everything that was said in this discussion needed to be said, even if it was wrong. That's true because it's an important topic and we therefore need to look at all sides of it: right side, wrong side, inside, outside. For myself, although I do not expect that all of humanity would benefit from this discussion, even if all of humanity were to read it, I do expect that a small percentage of humanity will benefit from this and similar discussions which are increasingly occurring on the internet. No, I am not among those who believe that humanity is improving, only that a small segment is improving. But that does not mean that utopia is coming now. No, no. What is coming now is the end of mortal life on this planet. After that, only immortal life will inhabit this planet. And then, only then, will utopia come, and that only by divine intervention. So choose your divinity very, very carefully, lest you not be resurrected at the end of this cycle, and therefore be carried forward to incarnate in the next cycle. Yes, you will become immortal, sooner or later; but what is the justification to become later than sooner?
 
 
+4 # Rodent exterminator 2012-03-03 09:42
Go back to skool SS , there is no evidence that you ever opened a book on history . Or is your excuse those nasty jews wrote all the history ?
 
 
-1 # Neferterri 2012-03-03 15:28
Very interesting and thought provoking comments. Both pro and con. I've learned a lot. But what I am still waiting for is when the people on this planet will finally see the only thing that really matters is that we are all human? That our ethnicity, sex & religion should not matter. We can learn from history, but we continue to repeat it. Over and over again. My uncle was a Timberwolf during WWII. He and his fellow Army Timberwolves had to fight their way to Berlin. He fought at the Battle of The Bulge, which we would have lost if the allies did not find out that the German troops were wearing allied soldier uniforms. My uncle was one of the first allied soldiers to enter Berlin. He was also one of the first American soldiers to enter Auschwitz. To this day, he will not speak of what he saw there. In 2009, he and the other surviving Timberwolfs were finally awarded the French equivalent of our Congressional Medal of Honor-The Chevalier. 64 years after WWII. 64 years after so many WWII soldiers were already gone.
 
 
+4 # Lawful Man 2012-03-04 21:33
  The word Holocaust is oldest theologically correct term still used in relation to the official doctrine of satanists in the burning of people alive. The word "Holocaust" is at least as old as the 3rd Century BCE and comes from the ancient Greek word holokauston, meaning "a completely (holos) burnt (kaustos) sacrificial offering", or "a burnt sacrifice offered to God".  
  Therefore, by insisting the word "Holocaust" be used, the Vatican has hidden its complete complicity in such absolute evil and mass murder in the plain sight of the entire planet, with no one questioning its motive for such a word.
 

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