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Excerpt: "We are witnessing a full-on implosion of the Republican Party. GOP used to stand for 'Grand Old Party,' but it now stands for 'Greedy Old Plutocrats.' "

U.S. Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney listens to questions from the press.  (photo: Jim Young/Reuters)
U.S. Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney listens to questions from the press. (photo: Jim Young/Reuters)

The GOP Is Officially a Third Party

By Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News

24 September 12


f one political party's standard-bearer for president wrote off half of the electorate as people who would never vote for him, and his message appealed to and was catered specifically toward only 1% of the voting public, why should anyone take that party or that candidate seriously enough for them to have a shot at winning?

It's understandable that Mitt Romney wrote off half of the electorate, because he and his friends in the American corporatocracy simply speak entirely different languages. The nation's median income, which is already a statistic skewed far higher than normal by outliers at the top, is only $50,000. But according to Romney, a household making a quarter of a million dollars a year, which only 2% of households make, is "middle class." And $360,000 for speaking fees, which is greater than 6 median income families make per year combined is apparently not a lot of money. His assertion that the 47% of Americans who pay no income tax are government moochers applies to a wide swath of Americans, including working families with children making anywhere from $30,000 up to above $50,000. These families pay negative federal income tax rates thanks to programs like the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Tax Credit. Besides, Romney himself benefited from a $10 million bailout at Bain Capital. For a family of 3 on welfare to receive as much help from Uncle Sam as Mitt Romney, they'd have to be on welfare for 328 years.

For those still convinced that the GOP should still be a major party, Romney's gaffes notwithstanding, take a look at how the Republicans in the House of Representatives have voted over the last few years, particularly for the budgets they've proposed and endorsed. While they have no problem voting down tax cuts for middle class households (those making less than $250,000 a year), Republicans have steadfastly endorsed cutting taxes for the top 1% to even lower levels in their official budget proposal. That same budget makes the bulk of its cuts from social programs that are primarily there to benefit the middle class and the poor. The House Republican budget even makes part of its $4 trillion in cuts by ending federal funding for school lunch programs, meaning 280,000 poor kids would have less to eat, all so millionaires can have even bigger tax cuts.

Not to be outdone, Senate Republicans unanimously voted down a bill that would stop taxpayer subsidies for corporations that fired American workers and shipped their jobs overseas. They voted down assistance for homeless female veterans, and even just recently voted down a bill that would have provided jobs to unemployed veterans. The American Jobs Act, which would have created around 2 million new jobs for teachers, first responders and construction workers across the US, was unanimously rejected by Senate Republicans around this time last year. The reason? To pay for all of those new jobs, taxes on millionaires would have gone up by a few percentage points. Anyone who legitimately believes the Republican Party is there to serve anyone but 1% of the public is simply delusional.

Mitt Romney is now tanking in the polls, Republicans' chances of taking back the Senate despite 33 seats up for grabs have fallen to 21%, and even John Boehner admits there's a 1-in-3 chance he won't be Speaker next year. We are witnessing a full-on implosion of the Republican Party. GOP used to stand for "Grand Old Party," but it now stands for "Greedy Old Plutocrats." The Republican Party is now no longer a major party, and there is no better indicator than their nominee for the presidency openly mocking poor people at a $50,000 per-plate fundraiser.

Since the GOP is an irrelevant third party now, and still being invited to the presidential debates, how about we let other third party candidates debate? Jill Stein, from the Green Party, has a 2% approval rating in the polls despite a fraction of the fundraising capacity, and is on the ballot in 38 states. Libertarian Gary Johnson is winning voters over as a presidential candidate who acknowledges the corporate corruption of the two major parties and the electoral process as a whole. All third parties deserve to be heard by the American voting public on the debate stage.

Carl Gibson, 24, of Lexington, Kentucky, is a spokesman and organizer for US Uncut, a nonviolent, creative direct-action movement to stop budget cuts by getting corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. He graduated from Morehead State University in 2009 with a B.A. in Journalism before starting the first US Uncut group in Jackson, Mississippi, in February of 2011. Since then, over 20,000 US Uncut activists have carried out more than 300 actions in over 100 cities nationwide. You may contact Carl at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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+131 # fredboy 2012-09-24 09:26
This is sad but true. There used to be many honorable Republicans. I can think of none now.
+46 # reiverpacific 2012-09-24 10:45
Quoting fredboy:
This is sad but true. There used to be many honorable Republicans. I can think of none now.

I know a few -but they are no longer Republicans.
The remainder tend to be mean-spirited and blinkered lemmings who choose to march in the dastardly lockstep and shadow of those who would screw and despise them -after they have voted for them.
+7 # dovelane1 2012-09-25 17:53
Send this column to every Republican politician, and every Republican you know. Ask them, "If this is true, why do you not have the coureage to stand up to your party leaders, and TELL THE TRUTH?

I firmly believe that unless a person is in a life or death situation, only cowards lie. Those that support the lying of their party's leaders are, to me, just as much to blame for this situation, as their leaders are.

The hardest thing for most people to deal with is the idea that they have no one to blame but themselves. The Republican party leaders are looking to blame everyone else BUT themselves.

The Republican followers are also looking for others to blame, so they can stay in denial of how much they are also clupable for what is happening. At some point in time, we must hold those responsible, republican and democrat alike, responsible for the consequences of what is happening in Washington , and every state capital in the U.S.

And we must hold ourselves responsible as well. By not challenging the politicians and zealots enough, we allowed the idiots and psychopaths to gain a foothold. By waiting for someone else to do our job for us, we fell down on the job.

Time to take our country back.
+66 # Dave56 2012-09-24 09:50
The logic of this piece is compelling and raises the issue of which if any party can now claim to be the "second party."
+69 # wipster 2012-09-24 09:53
Damn straight Carl, well stated!
+100 # Peppi 2012-09-24 09:58
In my OWN opinion, the reason this GOP has been deemed a 3rd party is due to the extreme slant of right it has taken in recent times. The TEA Party is an insult to the original 'BOSTON TEA PARTY' in its beliefs and platforms. It shames me to think of the spillage of both confederate and union blood this recent party's name adopted when configuring and reconfiguring its stance on its political issues which are NOMINAL AT BEST considering what they proclaim the name they stand on. I do not believe in the now republican party because of its extremist in the view of taxation for the 47%. ROMNEY IS THE EPITOME OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I cry when I say that. A cultist, a liar and a LEOPARD who wants to change his spots wherever he may roam.
+76 # anntares 2012-09-24 10:02
I've also heard Grand Owners Party, Grand Oligarchs Party but Greed Old Plutocrats wins my vote.

We used to have a productive balance between Republicans' first commitment to entrepreneurs-i nvestors-busine ss and Democrats' first commitment to employees-aged- ill-young-impov erished. The but teach group understood they needed the other so there was collaborative problem-solving . Now we have people who have made millions or billions, often by avoiding their share of contribution to their beloved "civil society" and who want more for themselves, less for the others they demonize.

They are given free rein by some small business owners, some farmers, some high paid secure blue collar workers, financlal drones and others who hope to catch the coattails of the new robber barons and soar with them into the benefits of unequal opportunity, privatization to make a buck off public education/healt h/transportatio n/military and de-regulation.
+26 # Granny Weatherwax 2012-09-24 10:24
I called them Greedy One Percent or Greedy Old Pharts but I also like the Greedy Old Plutocrats a lot :)
+2 # Ray Kondrasuk 2012-09-25 21:13
But in their minds, they're God's Own Party.
+27 # PABLO DIABLO 2012-09-24 10:06
Take back our democracy. VOTE
-4 # lollie 2012-09-24 15:34
Do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain. VOTE. We need and our system is dependent upon two strong parties. Maybe they will get the message,maybe not. i hope so. We need the balance.
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:02
Perhaps it is time to change....maybe there it room for three, even four....two party is just not working....I believe the TP and elite Dems4Change are proving that...
+15 # Cliff 2012-09-24 19:35
It would be better with 3 parties as long as the parties are willing to honestly discuss the issues and compromise. The Greedy Old Plutocrats are proud of their In Your Face stance. They have to go.
+2 # rockieball 2012-09-26 11:30
What we need is a multiparty system and representation based on the percentage of votes these parties get like that of other countries. In that manner Corporations and rich will have a harder time buying the elections which they do and have been doing since the Mid 19th Century. With just two parties which are different sides of the same coin we have been in constant was since 1896. We have had the worst Depressions 1928, 2007, the worst Presidents Harding, Nixon, Reagan, G.W. Bush all of which began a road to a depression.
+15 # karlarove 2012-09-24 10:12
"Gosh", I thought GOP stands for "Guardians of Privilege", or "Greed of Plutocrats". It makes sense to me the GOP isn't passing any job bills - they are waiting for the mythical job creators to start creating jobs.
+15 # chrisconnolly 2012-09-24 10:24
Yes the robber baron GOP is certainly the extreme and will take down our democracy in the name of jobs creation, religious righteousness, environmental hoax promotion, and endlessly profitable wars. Since these few at the financial top are so obviously corrupted through and through why do so many in the middle not see through their greed screed? I hate to think that we need an all Democrat congress and presidency but somehow some balance must be found again or we are lost to the over heating climate and failed social nets. We Americans have never had to experience famine and government collapse but it certainly seems like it could be just over the horizon.
+21 # Douglas Jack 2012-09-24 10:31
If Romney, Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, Paul, Ryan & other Republican government-hate rs really believe in free-enterprise as the most successful system of human organization, then why don't they show us all the wonderful things their system can accomplish for Americans & humanity without tarnishing themselves through the system they despise? Why are they trying to buy elections & deconstruct government before they show us how corporations can organize society's resources & fulfill its dreams? Some living examples of fully employed communities, states & nations living sustainably without: 1) destroying air, water & land ecologies 2) other societies worldwide, 3) such huge garbage dumps on land, in the sea or incinerated air, 4) gated-communiti es, institutional & corporation-run terror or 5) continual wars everywhere would be wonderful advertising for their cause and an inspiration to us all.
+15 # Okieangels 2012-09-24 10:52
This is news? I knew this when I was in high school and Reagan was elected.
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:04
I am glad to see you paid many did not. That is when the gopers started to see the gap
+30 # railroadmike 2012-09-24 10:54
Do not count the GOP out ever. There was a third party in Europe the people rejected as a bunch of loonies and the party went to the corporations and made some deals. They gathered all the CEO's of the nations corporations behind closed doors and cut some deals such as bust the unions, destroy all labor laws, lower or cut all corporate taxes,destroy all social programs like taking care of the sick and old and the corporations free rein in the market place. Today we all know the party as the Nazi Party. As Shicklegruber put it. "You do'nt socialize the industrys you socialize the industrialist".
-6 # Mannstein 2012-09-24 21:31
Schickelgruber got the unemployment problem licked 4 years after coming to power which is more than FDR did. It took him to manouver the US into WWII to accomplish the same. Social Securityand universal health care was instutude by Bismark in 1870 after Germany became a state. Britain and the US had nothing comparable.
-4 # Mannstein 2012-09-24 21:39
Well Uncle Adolf did solve the un employment problem of Germany in 4 years after coming to power, something FDR did not accomplish for the US until the war started. The aged were taken care of and there was universal health care and social security in Germnay since the days of Bismark when Germany became a modern state in 1870. These programs were not stopped under Hitler. His euthanasia program had to be shut down due to public pressure as well as push back from the Catholic Church. Bishop von Galen of Munster Diocese spoke out forcefully and effectively against it.
+6 # jnest 2012-09-24 11:01
Don't forget Rocky Anderson's Justice Party!
+17 # giraffee2012 2012-09-24 11:02
May the example of the GOP warn DEMS that our party can fall into the same position if we don't vote in 2012 and if we don't have tax reform after we do win back the house.

If "you guys-Mitt" gets elected I will always believe our elections are rigged by diebold machines, voter suppression, and whatever.

Our domestic policies can be straightened out still - but can our foreign policies/action s ever be? I believe the military cartel in these United States has too much power and will lead to disaster in the future. Remember the Brits tried to rule the world and ran back to good ole England with their tail between their legs (sorta)

GO OBAMA -- and put out your agenda for the next 4 years before the debates begin: This alone will sink the Mitt/TP candidates - like watching the end of the movie - Titanic (!!!)
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:15
There are gonna be alot of talks...environ ment, put up or shut up with green alternatives and jobs.
Monsanto and Dow with their foreign buying Food Companies are going to follow stricter regs...didn't like these, watch out Moms are on the loose, Grandma is following very close behind.
Fracking, tar oil gonna go away. Your reserves are only 5 years good so then jobs are gone again, Some idiots vote in GOP and here we go again.
No imports from Companies that left America.
No China or other food, toys, clothes that are not fit for the human body, animal. No more Poisons....
Restructure Investing, no more offshore investments. If anyone has offshore investments and do not declare they are taxed at 75% and no write offs.

There will be percentage of 1% taxes that will go towards loans taken during ReaGun, Bush's terms to pay back SS, Medicare.

Welfare...get it for 9 months than you must get part time work. Will get benefits for two years then must pick up your own. Deadbeat parents will pay support and a small percent towards medical or carry the child(ren)

+4 # mairalargo 2012-09-24 11:09
Rmoney and the Republicans (not to be confused with a punk rock band)... Rome.
-14 # Stay Calm 2012-09-24 11:23
The allegation that Bain Capital got a $10M bailout is refuted as "Democratic disinformation" by Romney's former company got a favorable but normal settlement from bank regulators, but no public money was involved.
+13 # MJnevetS 2012-09-24 15:35
Quoting Stay Calm:
The allegation that Bain Capital got a $10M bailout is refuted as "Democratic disinformation" by Romney's former company got a favorable but normal settlement from bank regulators, but no public money was involved.
Actually, FactCheck.Org is misinformed (if that's what they indeed said. In the below article:

from the Economist (a center/right magazine) "The federal government was involved, because one creditor bank had been taken over by the FDIC" so while there was $10 Million cut from Bain's overall debts (they paid off a $15 million dollar loan with $5 million dollars) not all of that money came from a government bank. The private sector banks were squeezed as well.
+7 # Stay Calm 2012-09-24 17:05
Quoting MJnevetS:
Quoting Stay Calm:
The allegation that Bain Capital got a $10M bailout is refuted as "Democratic disinformation" by Romney's former company got a favorable but normal settlement from bank regulators, but no public money was involved.

Actually, FactCheck.Org is misinformed (if that's what they indeed said.

The article seems to be correct:
The Economist article itself agrees with, that government money was not involved: The money was paid by private sector banks. This "probably makes the word 'bailout' a stretch," it says.
I hasten to say that to me personally, Romney's actions, while apparently legal, were (and remain) reprehensible.
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:16
I do not believe everything I see, hear...sorry too much dirt covering too many holes...I feel sorry for the Prairie Dogs
+13 # popeye47 2012-09-24 11:28
There used to be moderate Republicans but after the Tea Party crashed the party, they have been banished or completely given up and resigned from running for office again.
Romney and his party have done more for the Democrats than anyone dreamed possible. Obama could save all the money by not running ads. Just let Romney and his rich 1% continue to put their feet in their mouth. I love it. Better then Stewart and Comedy Central.
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:22
Just got too fat or lazy Way tooo many cloned like the sheep.

Really the Democrats could prove they are fiscal by not wasting money...They are getting free ads, and publicity daily by good people, good TV Shows.

Once you start lying, the ball just keeps rolling. I think it is great because it shows what kind of Christians, Jews or whatever they pretend to be. Certainly making us thing more about Religion now than even in the 60's We promoted Love, we promoted living with each other and the earth. Now what are schools and religion teaching.
Given enough rope....they will all swing, burn. What goes around is coming around.
-34 # jtatu 2012-09-24 11:33
More of the same old whining, class war fare and continuing to make people feel like victims. How does bringing down the successful help the poor?
+27 # bmiluski 2012-09-24 14:46
Quoting jtatu:
More of the same old whining, class war fare and continuing to make people feel like victims. How does bringing down the successful help the poor?

Please stop drinking that neo-con kool-ade. Democrates DO NOT want to bring down the successful. We just want them to pay their fair share. 30% of my paycheck went to the government. Only 14.1% of Romney's paycheck (not including the off-shore $$) went to the government. Is that fair?
+20 # Pikewich 2012-09-24 16:37
We are not talking about "bringing down the successful". We are talking about the patriotic duty to pay your fair share to support the government and services of the country we love. Why would the rich be exempt from that duty?
-5 # jtatu 2012-09-25 12:30
Your post suggests that you think Romney should pay more than the Internal Revenue Code requires. He paid that. How much more do you think his patriotic duty required him to pay? Of course, you must realize that some people's only income is derived from tax exempt bonds, i.e. loans to the government, and they pay no federal income tax at all. There are policy reasons behind tax exemptions and deductions. By the way, substantially more than 30% of my income went to the government.
+2 # David Starr 2012-09-26 09:50
@jtatu: If Romney is doing his "duty" in paying his fare share of taxes, then what's the problem of a presidential candidate showing his tax returns? That would be "the proof of the pudding." And yet, he refuses, as far as I know. Plus, there's a scenario of offshore tax havens where Romney, etc. aren't quite doing their duty. Quite the opposite.

Quoting: "Of course, you must realize that some people's only income is derived from tax exempt bonds, i.e. loans to the government, and they pay no federal income tax at all." Care to elaborate on this? I want to "learn" more.
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:23
No one wants to bring down anyone....Repub licans do The rest of us admire success, heck we finance it...ask NFL, Nascar. DUH
+3 # pernsey 2012-09-24 23:03
Quoting jtatu:
More of the same old whining, class war fare and continuing to make people feel like victims. How does bringing down the successful help the poor?

The rethugs are way more whiny then the dems. Have you heard cry baby Romney lately...Oh Please! I dont care that Mitts rich, its that hes blatantly oblivious about real people. As far as Im concerned, the right wingers are way more whiny. Im sure after the next election they be whining even more after Obama wins.
+1 # David Starr 2012-09-26 09:43
@jtatu: It sure as hell would make a more equal distribution of the economic "pie." People, many anyway, are perpetual victims of the 1% and their particular ideological agenda, unless that's changed. Victims are those who, e.g., deal with economic inequality based on the unequal relationship of capital over labor. Charity, while noble, involves a scenario where those receiving it, most anyway, remain as perpetual dependents and in turn conveys an image as victim. Charity, for now, is necessary because the world economic order has not changed ideologically. If it did, it would be a case of change not charity. No one who's successful is being brought down. Quite the contrary, those, e.g., of the 1% have more than accumulated beyond their fair share where class conflict can be more sharp. Stop your whining about factors that have existed from a fetishistically , "greed is good" ideology.
-2 # jtatu 2012-09-26 11:44
David Starr,
Who's whining except you and the other "victims?" You know of course that 51% of households pay no income tax. Is that fair? I wonder how many people in this group were too lazy to graduate from highschool? Are they victims too? What about the people who couldn't wait until they grew up and got married before having babies? Are they victims too? How is it that people who graduate from high school and get married before having babies are not likely to live in poverty even in today's economy?
+1 # David Starr 2012-09-26 17:31
@jtatu: You are a walking cliche out of the 19th century. Gee, I wonder how much the 1% are not paying in taxes. Those offshore accounts must be pretty endowed monetarily. So, how come "51% of households pay no income tax?" What's the story? "Enlighten" me.

Regarding your high school/married claim, sounds like simple stereotyping. So you've taken a survey of everyone on how many or little, etc. live in poverty based on not being married? Everyone has to be married to be good parents? That's contradicted by reality.

What do you think of that unequal relationship of capital over labor? Don't think it hasn't had/have an effect., along with too few having too much and too many having too little? That can kinda cause some repercussions, usually for labor.

I suppose being "fair" is leeching off an economic structure long established that has had originally some "quotas" involving race, class, gender and property ownership. Past does not disconnect from present. Things of course have changed but let's just say the "legacy" still survives where it's easy for a 1 percenter to whine and moan-crying foul and poverty-with a large financial buffer. Guy, being a leech is especially true in relation to economic inequality. Money is "god" for a few, or maybe more, in terms of where the sky is not even the limit. Sounds fetishistic. But if you don't like my Leftist version of "events," too bad. BTW, I'll provide sources if necessary.
-3 # jtatu 2012-09-27 08:19
You are a walking cliche out of the 19th century. Karl Marx's COMMUNIST MANIFESTO and CAPITAL were published in the 19th century. I'll bet you consider yourself a "progressive."
+1 # David Starr 2012-09-27 12:43
@jatatu: Progressive in the sense of learning from history, thus, seeing Marx's ideas as a means to evolve from other 19th century ideas that originated centuries before that. With this, I guess I could add then that your cliche is more a relic compared to my "cliche." And so, you think you know about Marx's Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital? Give me some examples. I want to "learn."
+7 # demongel17 2012-09-24 11:37
Whichever way we characterize the acronym, I'd have to say that we'd have done well with getting rid of the party associated with it back at least as far as the Nixon era, maybe earlier!
+6 # Jim Rocket 2012-09-24 11:38
Don't forget Rocky Anderson. I'd love to hear him in the debates, too.
+8 # Corvette-Bob 2012-09-24 11:43
It is very difficult to build a party based upon angry old white men who will be dying off at the rate of 10,000 per day. Good luck with that plan.
-32 # rmccormack 2012-09-24 11:48
Carl: Given your age, perhaps you can be forgiven your naivete. Romney's point was simply that 47% of Americans are not going to be responsive to his proposal to cut federal income taxes by 20% for everyone - across the board - when almost half the population does not pay any federal income taxes. As for your comment about budgets, have you noticed that the Democrats have not passed one for over 3 years? Do you call that leadership? And what about increasing the national debt by over 5 trillion dollars in less than 4 years? Should I go on or is that enough Hope and Change for you? And how is it that 10% of the taxpayers paying 70% of all federal income taxes not paying their "fair share"? You people need to have your heads examined to see if you still have any brains left!
+12 # bmiluski 2012-09-24 15:07
Let's not forget the part of that debt. is the bill for the 2 wars that bush started and then "forgot" to put into his budget. Also included, is the bill for unemployment compensation. Jobs lost because of the mess in which bush left.
Since 30% of my paycheck went to the federal government (to pay for the roads that are used by the 1%), and only 14% of mitt's paycheck went to the federal government (that's not including what he's got in his off-shore accounts) I would consider it UNFAIR.
-17 # rmccormack 2012-09-24 16:23
Would those be the same wars that the Democrats in congress also voted for? What is wrong with you people? Do you all have Alzheimers? Do you know any facts? Any history? Anything?
+1 # David Starr 2012-09-26 09:57
@rmccormack: Do you have merely the potential for intelligence? You belligerent finger-pointing seems to be the only way you can communicate. How about those facts, and that history? While bmiluski gave a coherent argument, you gave a worthless diatribe. Do you have Alzheimers? Or are you politically disabled?
+5 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:36
Bush may have left it but the koch____er types have not made anything for the People, By the People or Of the People...they just took from the People.

Ignore the rmc ignorance is bliss for those who keep their heads either in the sand or
-1 # jtatu 2012-09-27 11:51
I suppose you think that everyone should pay the same rate. I tnik that's a great idea.
+19 # szq5777 2012-09-24 11:54
Gibson is right on! The GOP has morphed into a right-wing religious cult! We need to get rid of the Grover Norquest, Karl Roves, and The "Tea Party" idiots!They are ruining this country! These people are insane!
Now I am a Christian and Jesus is my Savior but I also believe in the seperation of Church and State! These crazy nuts do not! As a poor person I know that the republicans are my enemy!
+8 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:41
Sorry but Christianity, Faith, Belief has nothing to do with Politics.
Time we all stayed home from Work and Church...let's see who will foot the bill
Churches like the Government are leaches...I mean all Faiths who think passing the plate is what Creator intended.

Do not need a Church to Believe. Do not need any Place of Worship to Believe Jesus had not Church, he had no desire for wealth. He shared what he was given.
Religion seems to miss a lot of what they wrote for us to follow. I will go back to the Ten Commandments. Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Goods hmmmmm Not Kill hmmmmm those are just two
+12 # tswhiskers 2012-09-24 11:54
I wish, seriously that the Rep. Party would go the way of the Whig Party which it replaced in the 1850's. My greatest hope at this time is that as the eyes of the American public are opened as to the true nature of the Reps. that a. the Reps. will have the sense to renounce G. Norquist and rethink their entire platform and decide they need to represent the entire population of b. a third party might arise with a popular platform and thus turn the Reps. into a 3d party for the wealthy alone. The Reps. really are irrelevant to the majority of Americans; the problem is that many Americans can't or refuse to believe it.
-1 # bmiluski 2012-09-24 15:08
Be careful what you wish for. Who knows what would replace the GOP.
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:42
Know Thine Enemy
+9 # allie 2012-09-24 12:06
My meager yearly income is from Social Security and a very small pension totaling just over $23,000. Where do I fit into Mitt’s scale! I definitely do not want to see anyone but Obama and Romney in the debates. Write in ballots for the Green Party and Libertarians, in a roundabout way, are votes for republicans. The Tea Party is the second party as far as I’m concerned. Mainstream republicans, rotten as they are, are afraid to go against them. It’s still “us vs. them”.
+4 # Pikewich 2012-09-24 16:32
Having third party sensibility in the debates could serve to pull the democrats back to center. It could actually help raise Obama in the pols if he moved toward the center. The green Party has put together a "Green New Deal". It is what we need.
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:46
Greens have been putting a
green new deal together since 1991 Where are they? They are elitists in many areas, snobs. They do not run or get candidates in rural areas to start the ball rolling. I love them and other good parties but...they have done nothing in over 20 years....We need to rid ourselves of Dems/Repubs. We need Libertarian, Independent, Green and Social Justice to Change things around and let us vote for them. The other two are warn out boastful, lying has beens They are not moving forward, they either stay in a rut or move backwards...the y both lie.
+2 # Vern Radul 2012-09-24 12:27
Romney works for Obama. His entire campaign performance is designed to get Obama re-elected.

He's already getting all the policies of any republicans wet dream from Obama, without even having to get up in the morning and show up at the office.

From his or any republicans perspective, why would he want to fcuk up what he thinks he wants when he's already got it and he can let Obama take the blame?

The whole two party system is a set up. A con job. A circus show put on to fool people into thinking they're making a choice.

A suckers game.

Like a football game where the team owners rake in the millions while they couldn't care less which team the audience waves pom poms for, as long as they show up and buy tickets.

Rah. Rah. Sis. Boom. Bah. Humbug.
-4 # Pikewich 2012-09-24 16:29
My Thoughts exactly.

This is outrageous extreme idiotic political theater designed to make Obama look like the lesser of 2 evils, cause if you vote for someone who would actually represent you, "You Are Trowing Away Your Vote".
+5 # Vern Radul 2012-09-24 17:27
Some people seem to actually LIKE evil, it seems, from the lengths they will go to try to make justifications and excuses for it.
+5 # hkatzman 2012-09-24 12:27
While I would like to agree with everything that Carl says, when I see a map of the states that will definitely vote Democrat and the states that will definitely vote Republican I worry because the Republican states are all in the center of the country as a block and all the Democratic states are on the coasts also in a block.

While I may not understand the Republicans and may feel them to be a "third party" there are vast regions (more than just states) of the country that feel strongly for the Republicans.

How will this regionalism be resolved?
+6 # Vern Radul 2012-09-24 14:02
With border crossings?
-2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:52
It was supposed to be education. Organizations making awareness with their campaign funds not just paying their salaries.
By expecting more from our Media whether Paper, internet, TV. Newspaper in my area and it is not a one horse town is lucky to be 15 pages.
No intelligent articles. Nope it is more like a town paper than one that goes into many Counties. Very bad went to worse... Lehigh Valley has gone from real Repub to Maybe we will think greener ooops got to go back to repub now we are losing we will write less about more.
I find that unless I buy a Major newspaper, the others are not worth the trees we allow them to kill. I thought one went to school to be a Journalist not a advertiser.
+12 # Hasmenés fiú 2012-09-24 13:14
The GOP or now former Republican Party in America is not the 'Republicn party' that was, even before the Assassination of JFK.

It has covertly and insidiously transformed into the American version of the old NSDAP (Nationalsozial istische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) yes, that one that Karl Harrer founded and that Adolf Hitler eventually had taken over. In other words, the American GOP has become in secret that Nazi Party anew of the United States of America. The principles in this organisation are virtually similar to the NSDAP albeit the scapegoat is no longer the Jewish population, but the impoverished, the so-called 'low income' or simply put -- the poor!

If Romney should win this coming election and become sworn in as the next President of the USA then it shall commence an era of darkness, though maybe not immediately, but the jumping off point of what would eventually be something that could potentially wind up even far worse than the Hitler, NSDAP has ever been (and that was certainly bad enough)!

It is absolutely critical for not only the survival of the States, but the world as a whole that Romney and crowd not be allowed to take ower at all costs. This is a very serious situation and as Obama was far from perfect, at least he would save this planet from utter destruction from the next Adolf Hitler reincarnate, that being Willard Mitt Romney.

Thank you.
+2 # tclose 2012-09-24 13:18
Carl makes a good observation here and there is plenty to support his view. However what is needed is not an invitation of third parties to the debate (although that would be a good thing), but a reconstitution of the traditional GOP - with its "first commitment to entrepreneurs-i nvestors-busine ss" as proper balance to the Democrats. Surely the present GOP is far from being that balance: it is way too far out on the balance beam.
+6 # Aleric 2012-09-24 13:41
How can the median income be "skewed far higher than normal" when the definition of median is 50% of the population above and 50% below.

I think you meant to be talking about the MEAN income vs the MODE income. The first is what we generally think of when we "average" something and the latter is the largest single grouping within a population. In a perfect bell curve, the mean, median and mode are the same. In our economy the mean is shifted to the upper end of and the mode is shifted to the lower end.
+8 # freeportguy 2012-09-24 14:06
Typical GOP: throw something, ANYTHING, at Obama and either they will waste their time debunking it otherwise it will stick! No loss one way or another for GOP!
-4 # futhark 2012-09-24 14:29
With mobile cameras and streaming videos showing the machinations of party leadership at the conventions, the whole world really is watching now and seeing for themselves what an empty charade of democracy BOTH parties are and how tightly they are controlled by powerful interests.

Obama has his drone attacks and indefinite detention proposals. Romney wants to start war with Iran. Who needs 'em? I'm definitely voting "third party" this year. The best thing Americans can do to save the principle of popular government is to abandon the rotting hulks of both major political parties.
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:55
However, I believe the selling of jobs out from under Americans, defiling the Earth again, selling Poison Seeds, Making insult of others Faiths is starting to look worse for GOP.
However, the World likes our money, whatever is left and will sucker up to whomever is in Office to get it.
+4 # MidwestTom 2012-09-24 14:48
My fear is that they have figured out that whoever wins is going to be forced to make some very unpopular decisions. Maybe they are running a weak candidate on purpose. Remember that they have the pulse of the economic managers of this country. maybe they want to control the legislative branches and let OBama win, since the American people blame the President, not the Congress for the country's problem. Oh, I know that Congress is unpopular as a unit, but everyone's local Congressman is acceptable.
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 19:57
I believe that is coming undone. I believe we should use the one term and out to remind them all
Now we got to start changing our Vote more electronics.
+9 # Corvette-Bob 2012-09-24 14:55
Let see #mmcormack says that Obama has increased the national debt by $ 5 trillion. Lets look at what caused the debt. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were put on the credit card under Pres. W. Bush. The medical provision of medicare was put on the credit card. The Bush tax cuts were passed without any provision to be paid in the budget. We then have a crash of the financial market, housing market and of course the tax take for income taxes fall off a cliff. You of course do not attempt to balance the budget during a financial meltdown. The stimulus plan is advocated by all economist. The Republicans proposed stimuls plan was bigger then the plan passed by the Democrats. Almost every part of the so called deficit was created by President George W. Bush. Since the Prepublicans would not pass any tax plan to pay for all the goodies that the fat and rich passed for themselves along with the warmongers who like to attack people as a foreign policy which cost the American's 3.7 trillion dollars and then to have people say that it is Obama fault is beyond comphrension.
+1 # Pikewich 2012-09-24 16:24
Obama should have stopped the wars. They are illegal, immoral and turn us into cannon fodder for the purpose of making the wealthy -- wealthier.

Obama continued the tax cuts for the rich under a democratic congress, why?

Obama bailed out the financial industries that caused the melt down.

Obama is not the friend of the working people.
-2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 20:05
And he did it all by himself. He dictated to all. Wow I didn't know any President could do that.
Guess we were lucky Bush W was stupid.

Most of them do not care about the working people. Hell we knew that in the 60's didn't you hear us then or read about our Protests? You all let it happen, the Yuppie have to have generations bought yourselves out of jobs, economy and allowed the USA to go to WAR.
You don't want WAR then I suggest you put a referendum on Ballot fot Spring 2013 about reinstating a DRAFT that allows no Exceptions...Ag e Starts at 16.
Want to see the Hypocrites come out of the wood work like Roaches...get a Real Law into Affect that puts the DRAFT back on the Books.
Wait to see the Brakes come on....
0 # Vern Radul 2012-09-24 17:53
On the credit card?

Obama's widely hailed "withdrawal" of troops from Afghanistan will be a reduction from 98,000 to 65,000 at the end of 2012 - a "reduction" to about twice the 32,800 US troops there were in Afghanistan when he was inaugurated.

Obama's "withdrawal" from Afghanistan is a troop "reduction" to about DOUBLE the maximum number of troops George Bush ever had there.

The graph is made from numbers supplied by the March 2011 Congressional Research Service paper "The Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11" by Specialist in U.S. Defense Policy and Budget Amy Belasco.



He's the best Republican President since George Bush. On your credit card.
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 20:00
I figure most do not want to see, listen to ignorance (very common these days), do not want to research.
Most would not have the attention span of a slug to read a one document so let's just say what we hear. Very sad. I do not get to read as much, but I have gone to so many meetings in my life, that I know they haven't changed, there are more meetings, more at stake, more money to buy one cares what will happen to people like us
+6 # paradoctor 2012-09-24 15:01
Please note that the "Grand Old Party" is the younger of the two main parties. Neither party likes to mention this; the Republicans don't want to remind people that their nickname is a falsehood, and the Democrats don't want to remind people of their pro-slavery past. The D's have lived that one down, thanks to the Civil Rights Act; between that and Nixon's Southern Strategy, the two parties have in effect swapped geographical bases. Will it take them another hundred years to swap again?
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 20:07
They actually went thru revolving doors and stepped out on either side....checks and balances or just need to have people in confused states?
+4 # Merschrod 2012-09-24 15:19
Carl, you left out Rocky Anderson - a decent third party candidate.
Off with the major parties! They have sold us out.
+8 # devjfl1 2012-09-24 15:31
Excellent, concise explanation of what the GOP has become.
+5 # ericlipps 2012-09-24 15:52
It's understandable that Mitt Romney wrote off half of the electorate, because he and his friends in the American corporatocracy simply speak entirely different languages. The nation's median income, which is already a statistic skewed far higher than normal by outliers at the top, is only $50,000. But according to Romney, a household making a quarter of a million dollars a year, which only 2% of households make, is "middle class."
There seems to bve some confusion here. The "median" income is the income 50 percent make less than, ad 50 percent earn more than. It's not easily distorted by "outliers at the top."

The *mean* income, however--the simplest form of average, in which everyone's income is added up and that number is divided by the number of people--is another story, subject to the "Bill Gates effect" whereby Bill Gates walks nto a bar and the average income of everyone insiode soars. People need to be careful not to confuse the two sorts of average, which are useful for different purposes.
+7 # Pikewich 2012-09-24 16:19
"Since the GOP is an irrelevant third party now, and still being invited to the presidential debates, how about we let other third party candidates debate?"


The Green Party has a great "Green New Deal". Please take a look at it.
+3 # Vern Radul 2012-09-24 18:13
She is probably the best candidate running. And she has more integrity than any other politician I've ever spoken to.

Full Show: Challenging Power, Changing Politics - with Moyers, Sanders, Stein, Honkala

Jill Stein: People's State of the Union

The Party of Our Discontent: An Interview With Green Party Candidate Jill Stein
-1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 20:11
Greens .... I remember helping them over 25 years ago. I remember the social elite sponsoring them... Where are they The few and far between didnot unite in the States.... They did not go to local communities and start Nope they wanted State and Federal Seats. Most of the time are too vague to be taken seriously.
I love their Candidates but I love Independents, Liberals also...sorry you wait til Sept to show us your new plan again, and again...
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 20:08
Should have been promoting it three years ago...
+7 # brux 2012-09-24 17:02
>> The GOP Is Officially a Third Party

+3 # David Starr 2012-09-25 16:12
@brux: It would be nice if thier implosion was complete, i.e., no more GOP.
+1 # Vern Radul 2012-09-24 19:44
The Democrats can outdo the GOP.....
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-24 20:15
I would not put any stock in this story any more than I would a Poll.

Deceit, Lying seems to be around a long time. No one esp those Religions want to cease it...

All the third Party Please get it together four years before a race for President starts. We see almost none of you locally, so when you start coming around, getting people involved at local levels...esp Greens, we will take you more seriously. I can count on one hand the Greens who have Seats.
As I said before, many of the Greens were snobs, hung out with money...sure wanted grunts to do tables and hand outs but..... I saw Independents more on the surface of Working Class
+4 # apefist 2012-09-24 21:48
Even though Romney writes off half the population, there are still a large number of poor racist backward rednecks who will go against their own best interests and vote for him anyway. His comments late last week--well the ones he made in May that were released late last week--are the same as those on the right have been saying on Facebook since the primaries started. I see some of the things Republicans write--and I can't believe it's 2012. Mitt is just speaking to his base, his numbers won't drop that much and Republicans will remain a viable party because crazy and stupid and greedy don't just up and disappear, tragically.
+2 # adolbe 2012-09-25 10:40
THink you are right on this one and the election is far from over
+6 # pernsey 2012-09-24 23:09
The Greedy One Percent has to suppress the vote, intimidate voters, rig voting machines, and have Fox news lying for them 24/7 to even have a prayer. The lunatics running the party are the lowest of the low. If it were an even playing field the nut jobs wouldnt have a prayer.
+5 # David Starr 2012-09-25 10:14
Quoting: "We are witnessing a full-on implosion of the Republican Party. GOP used to stand for 'Grand Old Party,' but it now stands for 'Greedy Old Plutocrats.'"

This implosion is long overdue. Hopefully it's permanent. I'll add to altering the GOP acynom: Grossly Obese Party, Greedy Old Parasites,and perhaps more.
0 # jazzman633 2012-09-25 10:32
Yes, third parties! American elections remind me of student council elections in high school: only goverment-appro ved parties can participate. I agree with almost all the commentators, but nothing will change. Libertarians want to stop the skyrocketing debt, bring the troops home, reduce taxes, end the war on drugs, phase out unnecessary (and unconstitutiona l) govt. functions. Gary Johnson has the same level of political experience as Romney - he was a State Governor. There is absolutely no reason way another point of view cannot be heard. Why have 3rd party candidates been edited out of the race?

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