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How to Challenge a Trump Supporter About the Wall Print
Written by <a href="index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=49927"><span class="small">Vicky Alvear Shecter, Medium</span></a>   
Thursday, 10 January 2019 13:31

Shecter writes: "A conservative challenged liberal Facebook friends to 'make a case, not based on emotion' against Trump's wall. Conservative buddies flooded his post with snide remarks about how this would be impossible for 'deluded libs.'"

Border wall. (photo: Getty)
Border wall. (photo: Getty)


How to Challenge a Trump Supporter About the Wall

By Vicky Alvear Shecter, Medium

10 January 19

 

conservative challenged liberal Facebook friends to “make a case, not based on emotion” against Trump’s wall. Conservative buddies flooded his post with snide remarks about how this would be impossible for “deluded libs.”

“Okay, I’ll play,” I responded. And in order to avoid being accused of bias, I explained that I would use only conservative sources to prove my point. My primary source was a policy paper by the Cato Institute, a conservative, rightwing think tank, along with other conservative voices (listed at the end of the piece). Here’s why I’m against the wall, I wrote:

1. Walls don’t work. Illegal immigrants have tunneled underneath and/or erected ramps up and down walls to simply drive over them. People find a way. When East Germany erected its wall, it created a military zone, staffed by booted, machine-gun carrying guards ready to shoot to kill. Yet thousands managed to make it to West Germany anyway. More to the point, do we really want to model ourselves after communist East Germany?

2. Most illegal immigrants are “overstayers.” They come to the US legally?—?for vacations, business, to study, etc.?—?and then STAY past their visas. By 2012, overstayers accounted for 58% (THE MAJORITY!) of all unauthorized immigrants. A wall is meaningless here!

3. Walls have little impact on drugs being brought in to the US. According to the DEA, almost all drugs come in through legal points of entry, hidden in secret containers and/or among legit goods in tractor-trailers. A wall will have little to no impact on the influx of drugs into our country.

4. It’s environmentally impractical. Walls have a hard time making it through extreme weather. For example, in 2011, a flood in Arizona washed away 40 feet of STEEL fencing. Torrential rains and raging waters do serious damage. Also, conservative sources generally do not address the environmental harm that walls create, but there is plenty of documentation available that show its potential for irreparable damage to both plant and animal life.

5. A wall would forces the U.S. government to take land from private citizens in eminent domain battles. Private citizens own much of the land slated for the wall. The costs of the government snatching private land?—?and the legal battles that would ensue?—?are incalculable.

6. Border patrol agents don’t like concrete or steel walls because they block surveillance capabilities. In other words, they can’t mobilize correctly to meet challenges. So in many ways, a wall makes their job more difficult.

7. Border patrol agents say, “Walls are meaningless without agents and technology to back them up.” Are we prepared to pour countless billions annually?—?after the wall is built?—?to create a nearly 2,000 mile, militarized 24-hour surveillance border operation? Because according to patrol agents, that’s the only way a wall would work. Again, are we really, going to use East Germany, a brutal communist state, as our model here?

8. Where walls have been built, there was “no discernable impact on the influx of unauthorized aliens.” In other words, they came in elsewhere, primarily where natural barriers such as water or mountainous regions precluded a wall.

9. An unintended consequence is that a wall blocks farmworkers from EXITING when their invaluable seasonal work is done. Farmers are against the wall because it makes getting cheap seasonal labor almost impossible as few American citizens want or can even do those jobs. And if seasonal worker do get in, a wall makes it harder for them to leave! A wall traps migrant farm laborers in our country.

10. Trump’s $5 billion is a laughable drop in the bucket for what would ACTUALLY be needed. For example, according to the Cato Institute: An estimate for a border wall area that only covered 700 miles was originally 1.2 billion. How much did it REALLY cost? SEVEN BILLION. And that’s only for 700 miles. Whatever we think it’s going to cost, experience shows us we have to multiply it by more than 500%.

11. According to MIT engineers, the wall would cost $31.2 billion. Homeland Security estimates it at $22 billion. Given the pattern of spending mentioned in number 10 (plus Murphy’s Law), that means we’re really talking about pouring endless billions into something that doesn’t even work. And, of course, we taxpayers will be footing the bill, not Mexico. Given all the drawbacks, is that REALLY the best use of our taxes?

As the conservatives of the Cato Institute put it, “President Trump’s wall would be a mammoth expenditure that would have little impact on illegal immigration.” (Emphasis mine) Also it would create many “direct harms:” “the spending, the taxes, the eminent domain abuse, and the decrease in immigrant’s freedoms of movement.”

And, we must add, since conservative sources do not?—?that the environmental harms are likely to be severe.

In other words, the facts show that walls don’t work and they create even bigger, more expensive problems.

So what happened after I posted this conservative-sourced, fact-based list of why the wall is a bad idea?

Silence.

I waited for someone to respond, to engage with me. Where were the angry defenses or rebuttals? But when I searched for the post after a few days, I couldn’t find it.

My FB friend had deleted it. You could say, like Trump with the government, he shut me down rather than deal with the facts.

The ugly genius of Trump is his ability to manipulate deep, primal emotions?—?namely fear and hate. He, along with Fox News, have convinced his base that they are in “extreme danger” from immigrants and only a wall will make them “safe.”

Unfortunately, the need to “feel” safe is much stronger than the will to grapple with a complex, multi-faceted problem.

And so, here we are, paralyzed by shutdowns at every turn.

Conservative Sources Outlining the Uselessness of Trump’s Wall:

The Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

Former Reagan staffer and Tea-Party liaison: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/10/12/the-conservative-case-against-a-border-fence-trying-to-stop-illegal-immigration-with-a-really-big-fence-would-be-a-futile-waste-of-money

Chicago Tribune (conservative paper): https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-perspec-chapman-trump-wall-mexico-immigration-20180314-story.html

The National Review (conservative magazine): https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/04/donald-trump-border-wall-plan-ridiculous-guaranteed-failure/

Nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute (MPI) think tank: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration

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FOCUS: How Facebook Borrows From the NSA Playbook Print
Written by <a href="index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=49924"><span class="small">Trevor Timm, Medium</span></a>   
Thursday, 10 January 2019 12:50

Timm writes: "Once again, Facebook is embroiled in a scandal where it was caught violating millions of people's privacy."

Mark Zuckerberg. (photo: Getty)
Mark Zuckerberg. (photo: Getty)


How Facebook Borrows From the NSA Playbook

By Trevor Timm, Medium

10 January 19


The social media giant misleads the American people using tactics ripped straight from the surveillance agency

nce again, Facebook is embroiled in a scandal where it was caught violating millions of people’s privacy. A blockbuster story published by the New York Times before the holidays revealed that Facebook had entered into secret “partnerships” with various technology companies?—?Amazon, Microsoft, Netflix, Spotify, and others?—?that gave hundreds of internet giants vast access to private information for years without Facebook users’ consent.

As the Atlantic’s Alexis Madrigal succinctly put it, “Facebook didn’t sell your data; it gave it away.”

With Congress now embroiled in a government shutdown, it’s still unclear how it will all play out. But Facebook’s tactics?—?both how it evades oversight from government regulators and how it has misled journalists and the American public?—?eerily resembles the culprit in this decade’s other major privacy scandal: the National Security Agency (NSA).

In hiding what it was doing from its users and in the underhanded ways it has justified its invasive actions after the fact, Facebook seems to have drawn directly from the NSA’s playbook.

Here’s exactly what that looks like.

Redefine Words Until They Hold No Meaning

For years, one of the NSA’s most effective methods for avoiding public accountability was to redefine common English without explicitly telling anyone. Words like “surveillance” would be defined so narrowly as to lose all meaning, and phrases like “relevant to an investigation” would be expanded so greatly as to encompass everything. (Read this compendium of the NSA’s dictionary put together by the ACLU for a full explanation.)

Facebook reportedly leaned on redefining one key phrase to escape scrutiny of the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the agency’s supposed regulatory powers: “service provider.”

As the Times explained, Facebook has been under a consent decree with the FTC since 2012, when the agency reprimanded the social media giant for violating users’ privacy. Facebook was at least supposed to follow strict rules about when and why it could not share users’ data with others. But as the Times reported, Facebook relied on quietly redefining “service provider” to get everything it wanted.

According to the Times, there was a service provider exception to the strict privacy rules set by the FTC, which was “intended to allow Facebook to perform the same everyday functions as other companies, such as sending and receiving information over the internet or processing credit card transactions, without violating the consent decree.”

But Facebook secretly interpreted service providers incredibly broadly, far past what many former FTC officials said was even close to reasonable. Service providers would soon encompass basically any company Facebook wanted to share data with?—?hundreds of giant corporations, from Netflix to Spotify, and even the Russian search engine Yandex.

“I don’t understand how this unconsented-to data harvesting can at all be justified under the consent decree,” is how David Vladeck, formerly the head of the FTC’s consumer protection bureau, put it.

Pretend There Was No “Abuse” When the Entire System Is the Abuse

Another tried-and-true method of the NSA in response to the Snowden revelations was to essentially claim, “Yes, we were secretly storing massive amounts of data on Americans, but the system was never ‘abused.’” This was President Obama’s initial defense of the program: “There continues not to be evidence that the [metadata surveillance] program had been abused,” he said at the time.

Put aside the fact that there actually was abuse. The existence of the program itself was the abuse. It was never debated or passed into law in Congress, and the American people did not know about it until it was leaked to journalists.

Facebook is now leaning on the same excuses: Yes, the massive data-sharing operation was happening in secret for years, but “Facebook has found no evidence of abuse by its partners,” a spokesman told the Times. Who cares if users were never informed or are outraged at learning of it after the fact?

Act as Your Own Referee, Then Give Yourself a Stamp of Approval

Speaking of declaring yourself as free of abuse: Acting as your own referee is another go-to move of the NSA. In the aftermath of the Snowden leaks, NSA director Keith Alexander gave the spy agency stellar grades in the self-regulating department. “This agency in every case reports on itself, tells you what we did wrong, and does everything we can to correct it,” Alexander told Congress.

Like Facebook, the NSA is supposed to be held accountable by other government entities. In the NSA’s case, it’s the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). But even the FISC admitted they have a severely limited vision into exactly what the NSA is doing, and the judges rely on the NSA to self-report its own violations.

The chief FISC judge at the time, Reggie Watson, admitted as much to the Washington Post when he wrote, “The FISC is forced to rely upon the accuracy of the information that is provided to the Court” and “does not have the capacity to investigate issues of noncompliance.”

Facebook was able to evade regulators in a similar way, arguably with the FTC’s help. The Times described how “the FTC essentially outsources much of its day-to-day oversight to companies like PricewaterhouseCoopers”?—?which Facebook paid for “and largely dictated the scope of its assessments.”

Use Government Secrecy to Hide Information from the Public

Of course, the hallmark of the NSA is using the government’s secrecy system to hide its true controversial scope from the American public. Facebook doesn’t have direct access to the government’s classification system, but it has been able to use government redactions to its advantage.

When PricewaterhouseCoopers reviewed some of Facebook’s data partnerships in 2013, it reportedly “found only ‘limited’ evidence that Facebook had monitored those partners’ use of data.” But as the Times reported, that finding “was redacted from a public copy of the assessment, which gave Facebook’s privacy program a passing grade overall.”

Two other lessons can be learned from the NSA privacy scandal. The first, as the Washington Post’s Andrea Peterson said in 2013, “It’s to pay very careful attention to what Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) says. So if he hints that there’s something worth reading… that should serve as a bat signal to privacy advocates.” (Wyden was the senator who famously caught Director of National Intelligence James Clapper in a lie about the NSA’s surveillance on Americans.)

Maybe the same can now be said about Facebook. In September, when Sheryl Sandberg was testifying before Congress, Senator Wyden provided Facebook a list of very detailed questions about its service provider data-sharing agreements. While Sandberg’s testimony made front-page headlines, Wyden’s questions and Facebook’s evasive answers, published a month later, were overlooked by almost everyone. It turns out that should have been a sign.

But if there is one overarching lesson from Facebook’s series of debacles in 2018, it is that the company has grown so big that it’s hard to see how it can ever be trusted. As the Times described, Facebook had entered into so many data-sharing partnerships that it couldn’t keep track of them all. The system was beyond anyone’s control.

Time and again, in other privacy controversies of the years, Facebook has explained features of its systems to journalists, only to have to backtrack or 180 in their explanations, leading one Gizmodo journalist to conclude, “People at Facebook don’t know how Facebook works.”

It’s the same underlying issue in the NSA’s massive surveillance programs?—?even if you think their intentions aren’t evil. In attempting to explain how the agency had been illegally collecting data on Americans for years, government lawyers actually admitted to the FISC that its systems were so enormous that “there was no single person who had a complete technical understanding” of how things worked.

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FOCUS: With Trump's Speech, the Networks Surrendered to Bill Shine Print
Written by <a href="index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=6853"><span class="small">Frank Rich, New York Magazine</span></a>   
Thursday, 10 January 2019 11:51

Rich writes: "Les Moonves may be gone, but his famous pronouncement about the Trump campaign in early 2016 remains in place: 'It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS.'"

President Trump's border security speech, his first televised address from the Oval Office, as seen at American Legion Post 416 in Encinitas, California. (photo: Sandy Huffanker/Getty)
President Trump's border security speech, his first televised address from the Oval Office, as seen at American Legion Post 416 in Encinitas, California. (photo: Sandy Huffanker/Getty)


With Trump's Speech, the Networks Surrendered to Bill Shine

By Frank Rich, New York Magazine

10 January 19


Most weeks, New York Magazine writer-at-large Frank Rich speaks with contributor Alex Carp about the biggest stories in politics and culture. Today, Trump’s Oval Office address, the networks’ decision to carry it live, and the Democrats’ response.

hen Donald Trump announced that he wanted to address the nation this week, he opened an unusual debate about whether the networks should carry the president’s speech, air it with a delay, incorporate some sort of fact-checking, or not carry the address at all. Did they make the right decision?

The broadcast networks made a scandalously bad call in covering this speech live in prime time. The speech was patently fake news — state propaganda — from the start. The White House signaled early in the day that Trump was not going to declare a national emergency but deliver an eight-minute rehash of his argument for the wall. We learned after the speech was over, via Peter Baker of the Times, that Trump had told network anchors at an off-the-record White House lunch yesterday that he didn’t even want to make the address (or appear in a photo-op stunt at the Mexican border scheduled for tomorrow) and was doing so only because his communications gurus were pushing for it. Yet all the anchors went along with the charade anyway. It says all you need to know about the fallen state of CBS News that the network’s late-night host Stephen Colbert had spoken out against the news division’s cave as soon as it was announced Monday night while its journalists remained silent. (His tweet: “My network will be carrying Trump’s Wall speech live. So at 9pm Tuesday, tune into CBS to See B.S.”) Les Moonves may be gone, but his famous pronouncement about the Trump campaign in early 2016 remains in place: “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS.”

Why did the broadcast networks carry it? It’s not as if the speech (or, more accurately, speechlet) was unavailable in real time elsewhere. It was aired live on all the cable news networks. Cord-cutters could watch it streamed free on a multitude of news sites and social networks. The only reason the broadcast networks had for airing it were commercial (to feel relevant as brands at a time when viewers are fleeing in droves) and political (to avoid the ire of the Trump base and White House). Had they run onscreen fact-checking as the president spoke (instead of relegating it to the web or playing post-speech catch-up), there at least would have been some added value. But they did not. Given that journalistic derogation of duty, the right thing to do would have been to monitor the speech and break into it live only if Trump committed some actual news — e.g., declaring that threatened “national emergency.” Instead, they allowed Trump to spew the same old same old, only this time with the added boost of an Oval Office backdrop and the implicit network imprimatur that comes with preempting prime-time entertainment programming. In other words, the broadcast networks essentially surrendered their editorial independence to Fox News — literally so in the person of Bill Shine, the former Fox News executive now running White House propaganda.

Trump is not Hitler, the invented “crisis” at the border isn’t the Reichstag fire, and Shine is no Goebbels. But last night’s network-news travesty was in line with the master Third Reich propagandist’s playbook. “When it comes to things that affect the national existence of a people and must therefore be solved by the government,” Goebbels said early on, in 1934, “the job of the press is to just take note. Discussion changes nothing, in any case.”

What will happen next? If Trump understands one thing, it’s television counterprogramming. His speech largely drowned out the real news of yesterday: the revelation that his campaign manager Paul Manafort was feeding private campaign polling to a Putin crony at the time Russia was devising its precisely micro-targeted efforts to suppress the turnout of Clinton voters through social media. We can be certain that Trump will schedule more speeches, more political stunts, and more fictional story lines to counter the cascade of real Trump news in store for 2019: the criminal revelations that will rain down through congressional hearings, the Robert Mueller investigation, and the pursuit of justice by prosecutors in New York. We cannot be certain that the broadcast news networks won’t be played again.

Did anything in Trump’s speech strengthen his argument for the wall, or for a continued government shutdown?

No. Nothing he says about the wall has changed since the last fake “crisis” he rolled out, the now-forgotten caravan of immigrant terrorists (also over-covered by television news), which did nothing to prevent the Democrats from reclaiming 40 House seats in the midterms. In his speech, he didn’t even bother to express any sympathy for the shutdown’s growing roll call of victims. He might as well wear a “I Really Don’t Care. Do U?” jacket during his border visit tomorrow. It would look fine in MAGA red.

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer used their rebuttal largely to isolate Trump, at a time when Americans are increasingly blaming him for the shutdown. Will this exchange help end the shutdown, or prolong it?

Pelosi and Schumer also repeated their same case for how to go forward, a strong one. I agreed with every word. But as always, I’m amazed that the Democrats, with all their ties to Hollywood, are so often inept at television. The visual image of the two leaders sharing a narrow podium was accurately described by James Poniewozik, the Times television critic, as “looking unfortunately like a cross between Grant Wood’s ‘American Gothic’ and the twins from The Shining. Not that it mattered anyway. The audience for them and for Trump were their parties’ bases, and it’s hard to imagine any minds were changed on either side.

The shutdown will end only when more Senate Republicans defect in the face of more polls confirming that there’s no public clamor beyond Trump’s base for a wall and that the GOP is being blamed by voters for the shutdown. The defections continue (Lisa Murkowski, most recently). The White House is trying to counter any revolt by playing whack-a-mole to counter shutdown-caused hardships — ruling (with questionable legality), for instance, that tax refunds can be paid out. But not knowing how government works, and apparently under the misapprehension that all furloughed workers are Democrats in the D.C. area, this administration has neither the raw information nor the bureaucratic cunning to stop the accelerating bleeding. The chaos is rapidly extending to airport security lines, life-and-death actions by the Food and Drug Administration, and the already overstretched Secret Service.

The one wild card Trump has yet to play — that legally precarious declaration of a national emergency — is unlikely to fly with his own party. That such a presidential usurpation of congressional power is ideologically in conflict with Republican orthodoxy is not really the issue; the GOP has abandoned almost every other principle in surrendering to Trump. The real problem would be that it would mean paying for the wall by robbing money from the Department of Defense (and pet local projects favored by congressional Republicans). Not to mention that it would mean using eminent domain to seize property from voters along the border in red states.

Nothing has changed since New Year’s. Pelosi holds all the cards and she is a master at playing them. When Trump surrenders, he’ll call defeat a victory, and move on to the next stunt designed to fend off the true crisis, the hounds of justice closing in not just on his presidency, but on him, his son, his son-in-law, and every other member of his crime syndicate in and outside the White House.

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A Joe Biden 2020 Campaign Would Be the Most Divisive Thing for the Democratic Field Print
Written by <a href="index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=11104"><span class="small">Charles Pierce, Esquire</span></a>   
Thursday, 10 January 2019 09:13

Pierce writes: "I am tempted - so very tempted - to use the apocryphal story of the kid who confronts Shoeless Joe Jackson with regard to Joe Biden's latest pronouncement from the mount, but I refuse to do so, because we do not wholly descend into cliché this far in advance of a presidential election."

Joe Biden. (photo: Getty)
Joe Biden. (photo: Getty)


A Joe Biden 2020 Campaign Would Be the Most Divisive Thing for the Democratic Field

By Charles Pierce, Esquire

10 January 19


The vice president's track record in Congress puts him on the wrong side of every issue that currently energizes his political party.

am tempted—so very tempted—to use the apocryphal story of the kid who confronts Shoeless Joe Jackson with regard to Joe Biden's latest pronouncement from the mount, but I refuse to do so, because we do not wholly descend into cliché this far in advance of a presidential election. Still, what Biden's is musing about, as reported in The New York Times over the weekend, is such a terrible idea that it remains worthy of comment.

Mr. Biden would instantly be the early front-runner if he ran, but he would have to bridge divides in a primary that would test whether Democrats are willing to embrace a moderate white man in his 70s if they view him as the best bet to oust Mr. Trump. “He has the best chance of beating Trump, hands down,” said Senator Tom Carper of Delaware, Mr. Biden’s longtime friend and former colleague. “On a scale of one to 10, that’s probably about a 12 for us.”

In one of his calls over the holidays, Mr. Biden repeated a variation of a line he has used publicly: “If you can persuade me there is somebody better who can win, I’m happy not to do it,” he said, according to the Democrat he spoke to, who shared the conversation on condition of anonymity to discuss a private talk. But then Mr. Biden said something he has not stated so bluntly in public: “But I don’t see the candidate who can clearly do what has to be done to win.”

In another possible sign that he is preparing to ramp up, an emissary from Mr. Biden recently reached out to James Smith, the Democratic Party nominee for governor in South Carolina last year, about scheduling a call with the former vice president. Mr. Smith, a state legislator and friend of Mr. Biden, said the former vice president could count on an enthusiastic reception in South Carolina if he were to run. “In the circles that I move, I think there’s almost unanimity of support for him,” Mr. Smith said.

Let's do the easiest part first.

Joe Biden has run for president twice before and he was a genuinely terrible candidate both times. He found his groove—and his half-ironic, half-campy fame—only as Barack Obama's sidekick. In a time in which Hillary Rodham Clinton is being told to disappear because she lost twice, the idea that important parts of the Democratic Party are thinking about nominating Biden is bound to be notable for its obvious hypocrisy. Someday, someone will have to write a long monograph on why the Democrats insist on running retreads, over and over again, when they almost always lose. Bob Kerrey in Nebraska. Phil Bredesen in Tennessee. The list is long and distinguished.

Moreover, Biden has a track record that puts him on the wrong side of every issue that currently energizes his political party, and gets all up in the grills of the party's most loyal base of activists. His sponsorship of a grotesque bankruptcy bill has not been forgotten by Democratic voters charged up by the notion of breaking the plutocracy. (It was in her opposition to that bill that most of the country first heard of a Harvard law school professor named Elizabeth Warren.) African-American and minority voters will surely beat him over the head with his support for the truly awful crime bill proposed by President Bill Clinton. Women will remember him for turtling on Anita Hill. It's hard to imagine a presidential candidate who's a worse fit for the party that just swept all those new members into the House of Representatives.

But he is a beloved figure among the pundit class, as well as among many of the old-line money people who currently are trembling at new forces that they do not understand. There is even some talk, given Biden's age, that he could be a new kind of Reagan for the Democratic Party. That ignores the historical forces that lined up behind Reagan, a whole conservative revolution of ideas waiting for an empty vessel into which it could pour itself. By comparison, all of the energy among the Democrats at the moment is coming from people whose allegiance to Biden, and to the policies he has represented is, at best, tepid.

For all the talk of a party divided by its leftward flank, a Joe Biden campaign in 2020 would be the most divisive thing that could happen to a Democratic primary field. A second banana can spoil the whole bunch.

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Why the Differences Between Sanders and Warren Matter Print
Written by <a href="index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=49919"><span class="small">Zaid Jilani, Jacobin</span></a>   
Wednesday, 09 January 2019 14:30

Jilani writes: "Elizabeth Warren is no moderate. But Bernie Sanders would be the most progressive president in US history - and he'd have a movement to back him up."

Sen. Bernie Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren attend a press conference on July 24, 2018 in Washington DC. (photo: Tasos Katopodis/Getty)
Sen. Bernie Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren attend a press conference on July 24, 2018 in Washington DC. (photo: Tasos Katopodis/Getty)


Why the Differences Between Sanders and Warren Matter

By Zaid Jilani, Jacobin

09 January 19


Elizabeth Warren is no moderate. But Bernie Sanders would be the most progressive president in US history — and he'd have a movement to back him up.

oth are critics of the Democratic establishment. Both are foes of Wall Street. And both are substantive, policy-focused politicians. But that doesn’t mean Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren share the same worldview.

Sanders tends to focus on “post-distribution” remedies, meaning he prefers to use the government’s power to tax and spend to directly meet Americans’ needs — or replace the market altogether. His social-democratic ideas, like free college and single-payer health care, are now policies most Democrats have to tip their hat to at least for electoral reasons. Warren wants to empower regulators and rejigger markets to shape “pre-distribution” income, before taxes. Less likely to push for big-ticket programs, she wants to re-regulate Wall Street and make life easier for consumers.

Before I go any further, I should lay my cards on the table. I have a conflict of interest — towards Warren. In 2012, I worked for the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), the most influential outside PAC supporting Warren. I raised thousands of dollars for her and recruited dozens of volunteers. I spent hundreds of hours helping elect Warren to the Senate. I have written favorably about most of her Senate career since.

But I’ve always understood that Warren does not come from the same political tradition as someone like Bernie Sanders. She was a Republican until 1996, when she realized the party had failed to rein in the influence of business (especially finance). “I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets,” Warren told George Stephanopoulos in 2014. “And I feel like the GOP just left that.”

She continued: “They moved to a party that said, ‘No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.’” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle-class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away.”

Since her departure from the Republican Party, Warren has busied herself promoting a “level playing field” and a fairer system for workers and consumers. Her ideals, while not out of step with those of a mid-century liberal Republican, would represent a marked shift away from the economic status quo if implemented. In an interview for this article, Noam Chomsky called Warren a “credible candidate” who is “pretty good on domestic policy.”

Yet Sanders has always existed outside the traditional party system. He has more in common with non-American socialists like Evo Morales and Jeremy Corbyn than party figures like John Kennedy, to whom Warren has subtly linked herself. He would be the most progressive president the United States has ever seen.

The two senators also have distinct theories of change. Sanders has long believed in bottom-up, movement-based politics. Since his days as mayor of Burlington, Vermont, he has tried to energize citizens to take part in government. He generally distrusts elites and decision-making that does not include the public. Warren, on the other hand, generally accepts political reality and works to push elite decision-makers towards her point of view.

When I worked at PCCC, I was once told that Warren decided to run for the Senate after witnessing the amount of power she had as an oversight chair for the bank bailouts. She believed that “being in the room” with decision-makers in the Obama administration was essential to creating change. While Warren wants to be at the table with elites, arguing for progressive policies, Sanders wants to open the doors and let the public make the policy.

Many observers point out that Warren has sponsored much of Sanders’s legislation over the past few years. But that doesn’t mean she shares his precise priorities or worldview anymore than former Big Tobacco lawyer Kirsten Gillibrand or school privatization fan Cory Booker share Sanders’s priorities and worldview because they, too, have sponsored much of his legislation ahead of their likely presidential bids.

That is not to say Warren is in the same political lane as Booker or Gillibrand — she is significantly to their left. But coming around to Sanders-style ideas in the run-up to a presidential run does not equate to meaning she necessarily would prioritize them as president.

Any president has a limited amount of political capital and limited congressional support, and therefore has to pick their battles. Those battles can be very expensive — the health insurance industry spent over a hundred million dollars fighting the Affordable Care Act, a law that left the industry mostly intact. One can easily imagine health care firms spending a billion dollars to stop Medicare for All, which would wipe it out. What the next president chooses to pursue in the face of political reality is heavily dependent on their core worldview and values. And if you roll back the clock a few years before Warren was considering running for president, you can clearly see that she prioritizes her pre-distribution, regulatory approach over Sanders’s social-democratic one.

For instance, when she initially ran for Senate in 2012, Warren did not support single-payer health care. That position was taken by Marisa DeFranco, an immigration lawyer who ran to Warren’s left on both health care and foreign policy but who was muscled out of the Democratic primary during the convention process (one Democratic activist said it would take a “dictatorship, not democracy” to defeat incumbent Republican senator Scott Brown).

With DeFranco eliminated from the primary ballot, Warren felt no pressure to shift left. During an interview with the local press, she was asked about once praising single-payer health care in a book chapter she co-authored with Deborah Thorne.

“If you were the tsarina, something like single-payer, government-run health care, far lower administrative costs, that sort of thing, would be the Senator Warren prescription, would it not?” the host asked.

“I think right now what we have to do — I’m serious about this — I think you’ve got to stay with what’s possible. And I think what we’re doing — and look at the dust-up around this — we really need to consolidate our gains around what we’ve got around the table,” Warren said.

The host followed up by asking if Warren personally supports single-payer. “No,” she replied.

Five years later — after decades of advocacy by Sanders had helped popularize Medicare for All — Warren decided to endorse the policy. But unlike consumer protections or financial regulation, establishing a single-payer health care system doesn’t seem to be a top priority for Warren. She probably isn’t opposed to doing so, but if she’s going to spend her finite political capital moving things through Congress, it’s a good bet she would likely focus on the core priorities she has championed throughout her adult life. It’s hardly a surprise that Warren didn’t raise single-payer during her first two campaign events in Iowa and when asked about it by a Washington Post reporter, suggested she didn’t bring it up because no one else at the events raised it.

When Warren says that the primary difference between Sanders and herself is that she’s a proponent of capitalism, it’s not just rhetoric. Her life’s work has been to make markets more competitive and equitable, not to redistribute money from the rich to the poor and remove big chunks of economic life from the private sector. (That’s one reason she was once a big proponent of charter schools, believing that they introduced much-needed competition.)

Warren’s marquee legislation is substantive and serious. Her Accountable Capitalism Act would increase corporate accountability to stakeholders like the workers who produce their profits. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, largely the product of Warren’s advocacy, has aided consumers who are ripped off by industry. But it also points to their political differences.

While Sanders was authoring a bill to make health care basically free, she was authoring one to tighten regulation of the private health insurance industry. While Sanders was proposing making every public college in America tuition-free, Warren was promoting a third way approach: increasing public aid to colleges (allowing them to offer a “debt-free option”) and increasing accountability over federal dollars.

“Democrats talk about resources, pointing out that we’re no longer investing in our kids the way we once did. Republicans talk about risk and incentives — arguing that students take on debt without fully understanding the consequences, and that colleges get access to federal dollars pretty much no matter the quality or cost of the education they provide,” she noted during a 2015 speech to the American Federation of Teachers. “Here’s the truth — both sides are right.” The idea of simply making public college free, as it once was in many states across America, did not occur to Warren until she endorsed the Sanders legislation to do so in 2017.

Warren isn’t totally opposed to more robust government programs. She is a fan of postal banking, and she has also proposed getting the federal government into the business of producing generic pharmaceutical drugs. But both of these measures are intended to spur competition — unlike, say, single payer, which would replace most of the private health insurance industry altogether.

Sanders isn’t opposed to “pre-distribution” measures. His campaign against Amazon led the company to raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour. He has authored legislation that would foster worker-owned businesses. He’s a strident supporter of unions and staunch opponent of deregulation.

But it’s clear what his priorities are. All of his signal legislation is based around increasing taxes and directly paying for Americans’ medical and education costs. To him, the problem is not so much that the rules are rigged so people can’t become entrepreneurs, or that regulators need to be empowered to act on behalf of the public. The problem is that the government is not doing enough to bypass the private sector to directly deliver funds and services to the poor and working class. During Sanders’s presidential bid, he proposed paying for his agenda with a barrage of taxes and new tax brackets; in an interview last year, Warren refused to say what she thinks the highest tax rate should be, although in the past she has endorsed a fairly conventional Democratic policies on taxes, such as the “Buffet Rule.” Sanders famously told the same interviewer who queried Warren that he didn’t mind the 90 percent marginal income tax rate under President Eisenhower.

With the announcement of Warren’s exploratory committee and Sanders’s likely entry into the Democratic race, it will be important for voters to carefully study the nuances of Warren and Sanders’s records and worldviews. While both are critics of the Democratic establishment, their long-held beliefs suggest they would prioritize different solutions, both in terms of the policies they would push and how they plan to achieve them.

Warren is a brilliant legal scholar who changed party allegiances after studying the abusive practices of the financial industry. As a senator, she has been effective at promoting change, primarily through brilliant interrogations at hearings and effective advocacy within the halls of Congress. Tellingly, she sat out the 2016 Democratic primary, choosing to offer compelling but private policy advice to the Clinton campaign.

That is a very different approach than that of Bernie Sanders, who defied the conventional wisdom in 2016 to run for president and became one of America’s most influential politicians thanks to thousands of volunteers and small donors. In a span of just a few short years, he has made his social-democratic policies mainstream. More Democrats now say they prefer socialism than say they prefer capitalism.

As soon as the next president takes office, they will likely face intense pressure from powerful interests, especially big business. The choice between Warren and Sanders may very well determine if that president confronts those interests with careful reasoning and principled advocacy or the force of a mass movement.

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