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Obama Green Lighted the Heroin Epidemic

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Written by William Edstrom   
Wednesday, 20 April 2016 10:37
Obama Green Lighted the Heroin Epidemic
By William Edstrom

Barack Obama ended opium eradication efforts in Afghanistan in 2009, effectively green lighting Afghan opium production and the Afghan heroin trade. By 2010, all US efforts to eradicate Afghan opium ceased. It has been US policy to allow Afghan opium growing and the heroin trade since. US heroin deaths tripled from 3,036 in 2010 to 10,574 in 2014 as a result.

Vanda Felbab-Brown at the Brookings Institution. a liberal think tank that often writes reports supporting the Obama Administration, penned �No Easy Exit: Drugs and Counternarcotics Strategies in Afghanistan� in advance of the April 2016 UN Summit on Drugs (UNGASS). No way out for Uncle Sam is more like it. The report is notable for what it omits, which is any mention of the heroin epidemic, the deadliest illicit drug epidemic in history, or any of the tens of thousands of Americans killed by heroin since Obama took office.

The Bush Administration had an Afghan opium eradication program in effect, carried out by DynCorp. Obama didn�t renew DynCorp�s eradication contracts, effectively ending all US efforts to eradicate opium. (Afghan government eradication efforts in 2014, resulted in 1.1% of the Afghan opium crop being eradicated. The NY Times reported that the Afghan government will no longer eradicate opium crops as of 2016.) Heroin is made from opium.

Ms. Felbab-Brown might as well have said �let them eat cake� to the tens of thousands of Americans killed by heroin since 2009, the millions now hooked on heroin and the tens of millions living in terror because of loved ones now hooked on this deadly poison.

US policy changed to permit opium growing and the heroin trade during Obama�s first year in office, as a way to minimize US troop casualties in Afghanistan. And to maximize US civilian casualties in the US from heroin.

The CIA defines blowback as the �consequences at home of operations overseas.�

Since ending eradication efforts, US heroin deaths shot up from 3,036 (2010) to 5,925 (2012) to 10,574 in 2014. The heroin death toll continues to shoot up as does the number of heroin users, from the 1,500,000 US heroin users in 2010 to 4,500,000 users in 2015. As heroin deaths under Obama tripled, so has heroin usage.

There were 7,600 hectares of Afghan opium poppies when the War in Afghanistan began in 2001. (1 hectare = 2.5 US acres.) In 2009, there were 123,000 hectares. By 2014, Afghan poppy fields spread to 224,000 hectares resulting in a bumper crop of 6,400 tons of opium, enough to make 640,000 kilograms of heroin, thanks to Obama. Opium yields far greater profit than foods like wheat or corn, so opium production will continue to rise without serious eradication efforts.

Afghanistan is by far the number one producer of opium and heroin. Total worldwide opium production was 7,554 tons in 2014, of which 85% came from Afghanistan. The remaining 1,154 tons are primarily from Myanmar, Laos, Mexico, Thailand and Vietnam.

Mexico produced 162 tons of opium in 2014, enough to make 16,200 kilograms of heroin. An average heroin addict takes 0.15 kg of heroin a year, meaning Mexican heroin could only supply 108,000 heroin addicts. Heroin from Mexico cannot supply even 10% of US heroin demand.

Yet the DEA claims most heroin in the US is from Mexico. I asked Barbara Carreno and Russell Baer at the DEA questions like how such a mathematical impossibility was told by the DEA. They dodged many questions, claiming only 4% of heroin is from Afghanistan and the rest is mostly from Mexico. Carreno and Baer acknowledged 90% of heroin in Canada is from Afghanistan, but wouldn�t acknowledge that the USA has a border with Canada, only with Mexico.

We�re getting hit with the largest ever illicit drug epidemic in American history and the DEA is asleep at the wheel.

USA�s now #1 for heroin use. US heroin demand is 415,000 kilograms a year. The whole world, except Afghanistan, could only produce 115,400 kilograms of heroin (2014), not enough for even a third of the mushrooming US demand. Most heroin in the US is coming from US-occupied Afghanistan, there is no other mathematical possibility. There is no other physical possibility.

Carreno and Baer stated �we are a small press office with many queries to answer, and your line of questioning is expanding. I�m sorry to have to say that we will not able to assist you further.� I filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for information about what the DEA has been doing (if anything) about Afghan opium and heroin.

I also asked the DEA people if they know how bad the heroin epidemic�s gotten or have any sense of urgency about it, they dodged these questions too. An American now gets killed every 32 minutes by heroin. Carreno and Baer seemed like they couldn�t care less and they don�t feel like answering most questions asked.

Perhaps the DEA people would answer questions (or plead the 5th) at Congressional Hearings.

Basic math shows that Mexico cannot produce enough heroin for even 1/10th of US demand. Besides 4,500,000 American heroin users (2,500,000 addicts and 2,000,000 casual users) and 10,000+ US heroin deaths a year, are the tens of millions of loved ones and neighbors living through hell because of this biggest ever drug epidemic in history.

One New Yorker summed it up �with heroin addicts on every block now, it�s like a zombie invasion.� One small American town has 190 HIV+ people due to IV narcotics use. The War in Afghanistan is the longest ever war in US history and the �collateral damage� of Americans being killed by Afghan heroin is shooting up.

Afghanistan has been known as the Graveyard of the Empires since Alexander the Great. Afghan heroin may yet destroy the American Empire. Since Obama green lighted Afghan opium and heroin, crime�s been shooting up in many places like Baltimore, considered to be ground zero for the heroin epidemic and the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the nation.

False narratives have proliferated recently about the heroin epidemic. One such narrative is �the Mexicans did it.� Mexico, producing enough opium for 16.2 tons of heroin (2014), has enough for only 4% of current US heroin demand. The Mexicans didn�t do the heroin epidemic. (Colombia produced 2 tons of heroin in 2014, not enough for even 1% of the US heroin market.)

Another false narrative, �the doctors did it� alleges patients got hooked on painkillers then turned to heroin. Not true. Only 3.6% of patients taking narcotic painkillers go on to take heroin.

�Myanmar did it.� Myanmar, a distant 2nd for heroin production, produced enough opium for 67 tons of heroin (2014), not enough for even 1/4th of US demand. Plus, Myanmar�s heroin goes to Asia, Australia and Europe. Not US.

�Genetics did it� which says �10% of people are prone to addiction, so genetics is the reason for the heroin epidemic.� Human genetics hasn�t changed much the past 15 years. What has changed is Afghan opium production shot up from 7,600 hectares (2001) to 224,000 hectares (2014), a 29-fold increase.

�Treatment is the solution.� Treatment is a few fingers in a dyke that has sprung millions of holes. As Afghan heroin floods in, heroin use shoots up.

In Afghanistan, where heroin�s been as readily available as Coca-Cola since 2009, 8% of the people are addicted to narcotics. Following the footsteps of US policy in Afghanistan would mean 8% of the US population, 25,500,000 Americans, becoming addicted, which would be more like a zombie victory than a zombie invasion and would solidify Obama�s legacy as Heroin Dealer In Chief.

�Decriminalize� and �marijuana is like heroin� are additional narratives, about marijuana legalization in some places and Portugal�s decriminalization of personal possession of all drugs in 2001. Heroin�s not marijuana and trafficking tons of heroin is not personal possession. Apples and oranges.

Heroin is physically addictive within 30 days of daily use. Heroin kills 40x more than cocaine does and over 100x more than marijuana. Just as there are vast differences between swallowing a pint-size OJ, a Heineken or 3 liters of rum, so too there are vast differences between drugs. Decriminalizing personal possession of drugs is not comparable to decriminalizing trafficking tons of heroin.

Heroin traffickers no doubt want decriminalization instead of life imprisonment just as the makers of the world�s #1 narco state, Afghanistan, want people confused and distracted away from what they did.

The latest DEA narratives: �W-18 did it� and �heroin deaths are over-reported�. Synthetics like W-18 are a drop in the overflowing heroin epidemic bucket. Heroin breaks down to morphine in the body within hours, gets recorded by American coroners as morphine (prescription drug) overdoses, resulting in under-reporting of heroin deaths by as much as 100%. The real US heroin death count in 2014 was closer to 20,000 than to 10,574.

It�s as if the recent media flurry of false narratives and distracting narratives have been to try to confuse and distract people away from the most lethal ever illicit drug epidemic (the heroin epidemic 2009-present), Afghanistan (source of 85% of all heroin) and how the heroin is getting to US. It appears as if certain elements within the US government are afraid of the epidemic of Afghan heroin being discussed and Congressional Hearings, sanctions (or worse) for what they did in making Afghanistan into the deadliest narco state ever in human history.

The Taliban ruled Afghanistan until Fall 2001. In mid-2000, the Taliban outlawed opium, within a year it was all but gone, from 91,000 hectares (1999) to 7,600 hectares (2001). Since the Taliban effectively outlawed opium within a year, then why hasn�t the latest US-supported Afghan regime and US Administration done the same?

If serious efforts are not made to eradicate heroin at it�s source, then the heroin epidemic will get worse.

Besides prioritizing eradication first, which will take a year if done in earnest, there are additional solutions.

Second, outlaw precursor chemicals, like acetic anhydride, needed to make heroin from opium. The chemicals to make methaqualone were outlawed in the 1980s. Methaqualone overdoses then stopped.

Third, US government and government-chartered planes can be searched.

Fourth, buying opium for medical morphine in the meantime, until eradication is complete, will alleviate this surge of heroin shocking and awing America.

Fifth, millions of addicts need treatment. There aren�t enough inpatient beds or outpatient seats for even 1/8th of the surge in narcotic users. $25 billion constructs 100,000 inpatient treatment beds and $10 billion annually provides another million seats in outpatient treatment. So far, Obama has ponied up less than 1% of the money needed for treatment, only $0.116 billion, for the heroin disaster he made. Day late, dollar short.

Sixth, decriminalizing personal possession in order to focus on big heroin traffickers would result in lower overall prison costs and fewer non-violent drug users serving expensive lengthy sentences.

US government agencies and departments involved in Afghanistan, 2000 to present, can come clean and tell all about Afghan opium and heroin.

One giant step forward would be Congressional Hearings to determine facts:
1)how did Afghan opium surge from 7,600 hectares to 224,000 hectares, 2) why did annual heroin deaths surge from 1,779 to 10,574 on up,
3)how did the Taliban effectively eradicate Afghan opium within a year, 4) why hasn�t the current Administration done likewise,
5)what exactly have the DEA, CIA and DoD been doing about Afghan opium and heroin, and
6) why did Obama green light the Afghan opium trade and heroin trade leading to the most lethal illicit drug epidemic ever.

The UN has been given the power to hold inquiries focusing on getting honest answers to honest questions and voting on censure or sanctions against the US government and current Afghanistan regime until opium is eradicated as it was under the Taliban in 2001.

Obama green lighted the end of US eradication efforts against Afghan opium in 2009, which green lighted the Afghan opium and heroin trade, which green lighted the deadliest illicit drug epidemic ever. The 10,000+ Americans getting killed every year by heroin, that�s just �collateral damage� to �the little people� from the lingering War in Afghanistan, Mr. President?

Eradicate the Afghan opium crops, stat, the way the Taliban eradicated the Afghan opium crops, within a year. No need to re-invent the wheel on this one.
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+88 # tbcrawford8 2013-06-07 17:49
Judge Lind should be disbarred for her flagrant miscarriage of justice...and it's now clear why a regular courtroom was unacceptable to the military. Feeling more and more like a dictatorship in the making. And, of course, the gun owners are threatening a revolution...bu t I suspect it won't be for we the people!
 
 
+109 # lbarish1 2013-06-07 18:25
This is not the country I was born into. The degree of corruption is deeply distressing and mind boggling.From the present to the supreme court, to congress, the military, the FDA, the ERA, Big Pharm, Wall Street, etc. there is no sense of justice. Bradley Manning is not a criminal. We have laws to protect whistler blowers who protect our right to know what this government is doing. Very sad.
 
 
+29 # Califa 2013-06-08 07:44
The corruption has been there for quite some time, at least a century or more. The corruption is not hidden as it used to be. Nowadays they shamelessly shove it right in your face.

**Is nowadays are real word? Ah that's one of the great mysteries of the universe....
 
 
0 # Texan 4 Peace 2013-06-08 16:41
Yes, "nowadays" is a real word. Could you be any more trivial?
 
 
+5 # Nominae 2013-06-08 19:53
Quoting Texan 4 Peace:
Yes, "nowadays" is a real word. Could you be any more trivial?


"Nowadays" is NOT a 'real word'. Except for the fact that "usage" determines acceptable English, and this bastardization "Nowadays" has infiltrated Standard English from "somewheres" in the Ozarks.

I know that it probably *sounds* perfectly acceptable in Texas.

Could you BE any more snarky ? What is more trivial, the question, or someone wiling to take valuable time out of their day to lift a leg on the person asking the question ?
 
 
+2 # Nebulastardust 2013-06-09 16:20
Nowadays has become perfectly acceptable in the USA, at any rate. Languages live and grow and change. It's a natural thing.

One contemptible addition some decades back was the inclusion of "DoctorWelbyish " (since removed) in the USA.
 
 
+5 # bingers 2013-06-09 16:22
Well, I'm from upstate NY originally, and as far back as I go (the 40) nowadays was a common word there. So while I do feel Texas is, generally, a subpar place in nearly every case other than size, belittling Texans for using nowadays is the snarky thing here. And, is snarky a legitimate word. ;o)
 
 
+43 # Kathymoi 2013-06-08 08:59
When I was a kid, there was a joke that contrasted the right of Americans to protest their government with the nonright of Russians (then of the Soviet Union) to protest their government. It went like this: An American says to a Russian, "I can stand in front of the White House and say, 'The president of the United States is a jerk." The Russian replies that he has the same freedom; he can stand in front of the Kremlin and say the president of the United States is a jerk. It used to be a funny joke that made us Americans feel good about the freedom of speech we had. That has changed. To protest our government today is not a freedom that is protected today. It is a crime and likely to be called terrorism.
 
 
+60 # Lowflyin Lolana 2013-06-07 19:05
History will show that the "officials" persecuting Manning were not real judges, generals, Presidents. The hacks serving up tripe about whether Manning is a "hero or a traitor" will be shown to be other than journalists, to a man. All of them are just #%$holes. Each with a role in a deeply toxic farce.

Thank you for your important and very interesting coverage.
 
 
+58 # soularddave 2013-06-07 20:21
This is just NUTS! Please keep trying. Your stay in Washington must be sort of expensive, so let me start off the June appeal for support with a cash donation.

Anyone else want to chip in right now?
 
 
0 # Dion Giles 2013-06-15 01:17
Right on. Disgusted at exclusion of RSN from witnessing the Bradley Manning witch-hunt. Coverage will be costly. Just doubled my monthly RSN contributions for June and July.
 
 
+33 # blizmo1 2013-06-07 21:55
Wow. Renee my monthly subscription despite previous issues I've had with you PLEASE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS ALL, WE ARE ALL BEHIND YOU. GO, RSN!!!!! You WILL bring on this conversation, whether they like it or not. Bless you.
 
 
+23 # DPM 2013-06-07 22:29
Keep up the pressure. I don't have much money, but I am a monthly subscriber.
 
 
+37 # Richard1908 2013-06-07 22:43
Our Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister Bob Carr, has washed his hands of Julian Assange (an Australian), Wikileaks and Manning. No surprise there - our Government does as it is told by the American Government - but another indication of how the cards are stacked in every way against Bradley Manning.
 
 
+42 # Billy Bob 2013-06-07 23:19
The military industrial complex will trump the American Constitution until change is demanded.
 
 
+36 # Kathymoi 2013-06-08 08:52
We are demanding. We are demanding. And we are being tasered, arrested and jailed for our protests. And, as in Turkey so in the US, our protests are ignored by the US major media. In Turkey, penquins were covered on major media news shows while millions of people were in the streets of Istanbul protesting the corporate grab of their country. In the US, fashion flaws of actresses get the spotlight while Occupy and Move to Amend are treated as nonexistent. ---We continue to demand.
 
 
+17 # Billy Bob 2013-06-08 13:30
I agree. But, "we" needs to mean ALL OF US. And "demanding" needs to mean MORE than just words, but serious acts of non-violent protest that will have a major impact.

There's only one thing I can think of that can do that: GENERAL STRIKE.
 
 
+6 # Nebulastardust 2013-06-10 08:17
You're not even close to getting a general strike happening and likely never will be. America, Canada and the West in general is full of people suckling the teat of propaganda fed to them on a daily basis.

We've a long, long way to go to protect people in foreign lands from the continued war and war crime from the West and most importantly the USA.

Predator Drones murder on a continued basis in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia for certain. How many other places we do not know.
 
 
+15 # grouchy 2013-06-07 23:24
I wonder if they are taking instructions from experts in this kind of activity from previous members of security forces in the Soviet Union countries? Sounding more and more like it's a possibility.
 
 
+22 # reiverpacific 2013-06-07 23:29
The public is at least entitled to a list of those "approved" for access. Still no list!
This alone is heavily indicative of what is to come.
But they can't hide forever from a better-informed world outside of the "approved" US Corporate State chowderhead media.
There is a lot more than just P'v't Manning's fate riding on this show trial.
It might just serve to plunge the US back into further isolation as experienced during the Dimwits/Chain-g ang reign of error and terror and shoot it down to the bottom of the world trust and popularity list, where it is currently at the lower-middle (source; BBC).
Gawd knows how Manning is bearing up during this prolonged lynching but his stoicism and perhaps resignation (or is he being drugged?) should be a spur to world support for his Nobel prize nomination. Sign on at http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5459.
Stuff it all back down their hypocritical throats!
And I hope that they enjoy reading this on RSN's surveilled database.
"Ah fart in their general directions" (Monty Python's Holy Grail). I hope they get a chuckle at some of my daffy scribblings on RSN.
Abb-abb-abb-t-th-th-at's al ffolks: He-heh-heh!
 
 
+20 # LandLady 2013-06-08 07:12
Thank you, Bill Simpich, for your great report. Especially your list of all the foreign media trying to cover this! It is comforting to know that the eyes of the world are on this trial, even while the U.S. military and much of our domestic media are doing all they can to downplay it for American consumption. I sent RSN a check yesterday. Keep on keeping on.
 
 
+10 # RobertMStahl 2013-06-08 07:49
RANDOM?

Complicity to murder and genocide is on trial, and Manning refuses to be complicit. Do we, as human, also? We are the ones on trial, but you cannot call it one. Should we let them convict us without our knowledge?

Hierarchies have lead to garbage gathering police who are deputized to 'take it out,' the garbage which is provided in droves by the central media outlets as lies, or, as a paper-trade. They have to produce so much garbage to successfully alter the cultural landscape permanently, or tectonically, hollowing out under our feet instead of being hallow, or having any predisposition for that. Purposefully, they drive people from their evolutionary design to learn and to participate.

Learning leads to learning-to-lea rn (Bateson) where we would, then, know the 'container' relevant to the learned where both exist together as form, not word. "In the beginning, all was mush and without form," Denial allows proceeding upon no truth at all. This is usury.

We make up for missing truth when being instructed to be in a container that contains none, or, maybe is 50/50. Tricks are not epistemology, or real knowledge, in any event. One needs imagination. Learning, in reality, is not a trick. It would be an oxymoron. If there is any distinction to made, any leap for cognitive powers we could possess, for the power that makes it all just, this is another drama designed, solely, to make us shudder, and is not random.
 
 
+23 # Kathymoi 2013-06-08 08:34
Complicity to murder and genocide is on trial, and Manning refuses to be complicit. Exactly. And that is his crime. He should not reveal the US army secret of inhumanity, lawlessness, and irresponsibilit y, of murder, tortue and sadism. And we should not object to these things done in the name of the US of Exxon Mobil, Citibank, Wells Fargo, etc. Evidently, acceptance of atrocity and criminal abuse is our obligation and if we dare to shun our duty, we risk arrest ourselves.
 
 
+40 # walt 2013-06-08 07:58
This statement may be filled with meaning:

"..A military spokesman said that the media operations center located half a mile away from the courtroom was "a privilege, not a right...."

It seems amazing to hear someone in the US military advise us that they grant privileges. And all while the US tax payers fund their entire lives from salaries and health care to retirement.

This is an indication of the power we have given to a group that is supposed to defend the USA. Now they tell us what our privileges are. And even more frightening will be the day that an American civilian is arrested by the military and indefinitely detained as allowed by the NDAA.

One more clear indicator of Eisenhower's warning about the "military-indus trial complex. It's all out of control!
 
 
+20 # reiverpacific 2013-06-08 11:31
Quoting walt:
This statement may be filled with meaning:

"..A military spokesman said that the media operations center located half a mile away from the courtroom was "a privilege, not a right...."

Well, that's the US attitude to healthcare too and education, innit!? It's only for the elite and privileged.
There's a long way to go before this country joins the "civilized" world -if ever!
 
 
+9 # Jack Gibson 2013-06-08 13:27
Yah, making RIGHTS(!) into so-called "privileges". They don't believe that we have any rights; but are saying, "Here, we're throwing you a bone". The whole system is controlled by evil. That's the way the entire globalist, corporate-fasci st, "international human 'rights'" system was designed. "If you're not privileged enough, we'll withhold rights from you", because they reserve that right to withhold them (see towards the end of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights). In others, the evil and corrupt believe that they are the only ones with rights; everyone else be damned. This is the madness that is now seeking to control us completely; and they expect, if you don't willingly bow down without question, you will be crushed. That is really what the entire world government system is all about, to bring us all to our knees in worship of evil, or be eliminated. Are you finally seeing the meaning of the whole writing on the wall? This is evil's time now, and they have every intention of destroying all independence, free will and sovereignty of human dignity, eradicating it all and turning us all into slaves. Those who don't go quietly will very soon simply be executed. They're already assassinating people who balk against the(ir) chains; and, thus, have begun to purge the resisters. We ain't seen nothin' yet; and, if most of us don't non-violently rise up en masse against the "Big Brother" system (which I don't hold my breath that we'll do), we're all screwed and tattooed.
 
 
+18 # Kathymoi 2013-06-08 08:26
thank you, RSN, for bravely continuing to TRY to tell us what is going on in our country. The headline on Yahoo news this morning was that Parker committed a fashion mistake with the shoes she wore yesterday. I don't know who Parker is, but her picture was there to help identify her if I should care. If you were not shining a light on the real issues of the day, how would we get information? How would we know? I guess that is, likely, the idea behind media control. Indeed, if RSN can be denied access to witnessing the Manning trial, then the public will have no way to know what actually was revealed by the trial. Keep marching!!!
 
 
-12 # charsjcca 2013-06-08 11:04
I have not knowingly talked on a secure telephone since 1963. I am not troubled by the notion. Life goes on. The next presidency will do as the past have done. SNOOP. It is the American way of life. The Unibomber said he had no solution other than what he did. The university system, in his mind, was corrupt and unable to be reformed. Between 1963 and 1978 he operated under the assumption that it was otherwise.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2013-06-08 13:31
Time to just give up, curl in a corner and pick your nose, huh?
 
 
+10 # reiverpacific 2013-06-08 18:37
Quoting charsjcca:
I have not knowingly talked on a secure telephone since 1963. I am not troubled by the notion. Life goes on. The next presidency will do as the past have done. SNOOP. It is the American way of life. The Unibomber said he had no solution other than what he did. The university system, in his mind, was corrupt and unable to be reformed. Between 1963 and 1978 he operated under the assumption that it was otherwise.

What's a "secure telephone"?
I agree that life goes on" (Oobladee-oobla dah!) but this country is becoming more and more like Spain's Franco era and Suharto's Indonesia I'm tired of repeating this), both supported and armed by the "land of the faux-free-to-sh op and the home of the cowed and surveilled".
It's the QUALITY of life we are looking at here and which is endangered!
Te US is becoming more and more like one of these Sci-fi box rooms where the walls keep sliding in on and constricting it's occupants, or the four-poster bed that lowers it canopy in the night to smother it's sleeping occupants.
Wake up and smell the shite -then fight!
 
 
+13 # David Starr 2013-06-08 12:23
I have a strong feeling that there will be hell to pay, sooner or later; but inevitably.

The U.S. Army, as with other entities with the U.S. empire's power structure is ethically bankrupt. The more it protects an monetary empire's interests, the more chance for change.

There is also an NSA entity, PRISM, that is apparently being used to spy on the emails of who knows how many people, foreign and domestic.

The U.S. Constitution has been violated by the very status quo power brokers-and their supporters-who claim to support it. And it's nothing new.
 
 
-9 # egbegb 2013-06-08 20:26
So the IRS, FBI and ATF are progressive and attack conservatives and the Army (the armed forces) attack
progressives.

Is that the message?

Who do you think will win that 'discussion'?
 
 
+4 # bingers 2013-06-09 16:30
Quoting egbegb:
So the IRS, FBI and ATF are progressive and attack conservatives and the Army (the armed forces) attack
progressives.

Is that the message?

Who do you think will win that 'discussion'?


Well, the IRS hasn't attacked anyone since Nixon ordered them to, and that was the liberals, the FBI, for all its' faults has a long horrendous record of attacking liberal groups and still does, although they occasionally go after obvious criminal right wing groups, the brunt of their actions still falls on liberal groups. And the ATF goes after the people committing gun crimes, which is nearly 100% conservative. So, in this case, they do go after conservatives mostly, but it isn't targeting conservatives per se, it's targeting subversives.

And the military isn't attacking liberals per se, they're attacking the first and fourth amendments.
 

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