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Wolf writes: "In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorise mayors to order their police forces - pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS - to make war on peaceful citizens."

OWS protester Brandon Watts lies injured on the ground after clashes with police during the eviction of Zuccotti Park. (photo: Allison Joyce/Getty Images)
OWS protester Brandon Watts lies injured on the ground after clashes with police during the eviction of Zuccotti Park. (photo: Allison Joyce/Getty Images)



The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy

By Naomi Wolf, Guardian UK

26 November 11

 

Occupy Wall Street: Take the Bull by the Horns

 

The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality.

S citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park.

But just when Americans thought we had the picture – was this crazy police and mayoral overkill, on a municipal level, in many different cities? – the picture darkened. The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."

In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.

To Europeans, the enormity of this breach may not be obvious at first. Our system of government prohibits the creation of a federalised police force, and forbids federal or militarised involvement in municipal peacekeeping.

I noticed that rightwing pundits and politicians on the TV shows on which I was appearing were all on-message against OWS. Journalist Chris Hayes reported on a leaked memo that revealed lobbyists vying for an $850,000 contract to smear Occupy. Message coordination of this kind is impossible without a full-court press at the top. This was clearly not simply a case of a freaked-out mayors', city-by-city municipal overreaction against mess in the parks and cranky campers. As the puzzle pieces fit together, they began to show coordination against OWS at the highest national levels.

Why this massive mobilisation against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks – under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop – awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.

That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.

The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.

When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.

For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance. The DHS cannot say, on its own initiative, "we are going after these scruffy hippies". Rather, DHS is answerable up a chain of command: first, to New York Representative Peter King, head of the House homeland security subcommittee, who naturally is influenced by his fellow congressmen and women's wishes and interests. And the DHS answers directly, above King, to the president (who was conveniently in Australia at the time).

In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorise mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.

But wait: why on earth would Congress advise violent militarised reactions against its own peaceful constituents? The answer is straightforward: in recent years, members of Congress have started entering the system as members of the middle class (or upper middle class) – but they are leaving DC privy to vast personal wealth, as we see from the "scandal" of presidential contender Newt Gingrich's having been paid $1.8m for a few hours' "consulting" to special interests. The inflated fees to lawmakers who turn lobbyists are common knowledge, but the notion that congressmen and women are legislating their own companies' profitsis less widely known – and if the books were to be opened, they would surely reveal corruption on a Wall Street spectrum. Indeed, we do already know that congresspeople are massively profiting from trading on non-public information they have on companies about which they are legislating – a form of insider trading that sent Martha Stewart to jail.

Since Occupy is heavily surveilled and infiltrated, it is likely that the DHS and police informers are aware, before Occupy itself is, what its emerging agenda is going to look like. If legislating away lobbyists' privileges to earn boundless fees once they are close to the legislative process, reforming the banks so they can't suck money out of fake derivatives products, and, most critically, opening the books on a system that allowed members of Congress to profit personally – and immensely – from their own legislation, are two beats away from the grasp of an electorally organised Occupy movement … well, you will call out the troops on stopping that advance.

So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organised suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.

Sadly, Americans this week have come one step closer to being true brothers and sisters of the protesters in Tahrir Square. Like them, our own national leaders, who likely see their own personal wealth under threat from transparency and reform, are now making war upon us.

 

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+195 # Barbara K 2011-11-26 11:24
I must declare that I have never felt so betrayed and disappointed in my country in all my years. I never thought America could be like this. "Land of the free"; not any more. It is now land of big money and fear. Get the money and religion out of our government, for a start.

NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
 
 
+43 # PastorScott 2011-11-26 14:37
It's been the land of big money and fear for a long time now -- at least since August 7, 1945. And when that boogey-man waned by Soviet initiative and not our own, it was shortly thereafter replaced by the events of September 11, 2001 -- the birthday of Homeland Security the domestically inseminated evil spawn of the National Security State. So grandma got pepper-sprayed, these folks are playing for keeps. Are we? I guess time will tell.
 
 
+24 # winson 2011-11-26 17:28
Never vote democrat either! Don´t buy GMO food, don´t bank at a big bank, Don´s shop at a big box store, quit supporting them!

Wake up! The Truman Show needs to end.
 
 
+17 # John Locke 2011-11-26 19:54
Barbara its more than just voting democrat, they are bought and paid for also, and Obama is the leader of bought and paid for,
 
 
+11 # X Dane 2011-11-27 13:56
You are right Barbara, and I am afraid this could lead to a Mit Romney or Newt for president next year.

If you think things are bad now?
I AM AFRAID THAT YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET.

Have any of you thought about the consequense of all the SECRET MONEY flowing into the coming election????

China CAN NOW SELECT the president THEY want to deal with!!! or Saudi Arabia! OR?

The SUPREME COURT has now left us totally defenseless. ANYBODY CAN TAKE CHARGE, for we no longer have elections.
WE HAVE AUCTIONS!! OUR COUNTRY GOES TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

I think this is something WE ALL need to think seriously about.
WAAAAAY TOO MANY of our fellow citizens are being seduced by the TV propaganda. We KNOW that for they are not smart enough to understand that they are voting AGAINST their OWN INTERESTS??

I WOULD LOVE TO "HEAR YOUR COMMENTS
 
 
+58 # LessSaid 2011-11-26 11:32
To me it is clear why the crackdown on the occupy. 3/4 of the 1% understood the message of the 99% from the beginning and they were trying stop the growth of the tree before it took root. Now that it has taken root, they are trying to minimize it growth and influence violence. Because power to be haven't had to deal with this kind of resistence in 30 years of more, they thought the citizenry had fully fell into hibernation. But, now the beast have been awaken and there have been a change in the agenda and it includes more than the 1%. As we all understand, change is hard for most of us. Therefore, we need to understand that this is not a short term stuggle for the 99%ers
 
 
+22 # racetoinfinity 2011-11-26 21:08
Yes I wanted to tell another commenter who said he/she hadn't heard of such brutality against peaceful protest, I'd note that it's been 40 years, but during the late 50s/60s/early 70s we had police brutality against the Civil Rights Movement, the Yippee Anti-war, anti-coporatist , polluters movement, the Chicago brutality and the Kent State incident. The Federal government has been implicated in at least two of those.
 
 
+48 # Bluesguy 2011-11-26 11:33
Naomi has said it; that's really what's going on here, and has been for a long time.
Obama has been useful to them, with his apologists telling us about his chess-playing skills. BS-he is merely another piece on THEIR board.
The time wasted in accepting these facts does not affect the 0.1% he's working for (he will never be one of them and he knows it;he's just getting paid, like those Rep. "candidates") BUT it is CRUCIAL to most of us, politically here in the US, and for the climate.
Obama apologists may be vindicated, but by that time, it will be merely an intellectual "point" in a meaningless discussion in the bread/soup/ster ilization/repro gramming line(s)
We need to call out Napolitano, then Obama, if for no other reason than to MAKE THEM SAY IT OUT LOUD.
Many of us vet's are not going to sit idly whilst kids, children, and grandma's are brutalized; I think a civil war may be coming.
These bastards ALWAYS TAKE THE LOW ROAD, don't they ?? INCLUDING what i called 3 years ago the "smiling brown face of the new totalitarianism "-I got/get a lot of crap for it-but convince me otherwise WITH EVIDENCE, not fantasies.
Gather your children, family, neighbors, and coworkers-it will be the only thing that saves us-OURSELVES.
 
 
+9 # Felix Julian 2011-11-26 14:00
I was nodding in agreement with much of what you were saying right up until the "smiling brown face" comment. You totally lost me brother
 
 
+36 # Bluesguy 2011-11-26 14:48
Quoting Felix Julian:
I was nodding in agreement with much of what you were saying right up until the "smiling brown face" comment. You totally lost me brother

Yes, I understand; let me put it this way: a la Sinclair Lewis "when Fascism comes to the US..flag-wrappe d, carrying Bible...why not add with the face of a minority.
Or, we have truly moved beyond racism when a "black" man can show he can be just as much a fascist as a white guy/politician.
His color stymies many otherwise effective criticism.
Or, it doesn't matter what color he is; I guess i may have chose the wrong/uncomfort able way to say it.

These, "defending" "US" in VN 67-'68 as a combat marine (not bragging, just some cred) W's con game and RICO setup...these things are real, powerful, and cannot be denied.
I would hope that other people have similar informing experiences/rea lizations; plus LOOK at the EVIDENCE.
Obama has doubled down on all the Bush bad stuff; my comment was meant for those who see only his skin color, and assume his ideas "match" THEIR assumptions, of what a polite, smart, black "liberal" Dem might be.
I am angry, dammit, and I care, and don't want to give up on OUR country.
 
 
-25 # Felix Julian 2011-11-26 15:39
"my comment was made to those who only see his skin color.".
#1 no one but you has mentioned skin color in these comments, nor did Ms Klein in her piece and #2 my guess is that as a combat veteran you know that men of color bleed red just like you.
Although your attempts to cover for your racism are impressive they just aren't doing it for me. Mr Obama's skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
 
 
+24 # Smiley 2011-11-26 18:16
Not bring blind to color does not = racism. Pretending that people have no color is self deceiving and, in my opinion, a little racist.
 
 
-5 # Felix Julian 2011-11-26 21:09
Quoting Smiley:
Not bring blind to color does not = racism. Pretending that people have no color is self deceiving and, in my opinion, a little racist.

Can one be a "little racist"? Not sure how race entered the discussion in the first place. Just sayin'
 
 
+4 # Felix Julian 2011-11-26 21:07
I am truly mystified that my comments are deserving of negative ratings! Frankly, I do NOT see what race has to do with the discussion which is about our government breaking its own laws with regard to over-the-top law enforcement responses (attacks) on non-violent protesters. Shut my mouth!
 
 
+1 # 666 2011-11-28 09:05
Are bloggers competing for the "thumbs-up" vote count? Is this about truth or is it a popularity contest? "Truth" is often unpopular. I came out against Obama before his nomination. I told friends "look at his credentials & record & tell me if he's going to change anything"; I got branded a racist by the hopey-changey folks. Race has got EVERYTHING AND NOTHING to do with this discussion. Skin-color (obama), religion (liebermann, kennedy), gender (hilary & palin etc) both are & are not relevant. I saw plenty of hard-core democratic women support mccain because he had a woman on his ticket... Was it great that a black man was elected president & another woman (cf Ferraro) was on the other ticket? Absolutely. Did either use their gender or color to help curry support? Absolutely! Were either of them "good" candidates? Absolutely not! Obama's color was one aspect of a campaign depicting him as an outsider who would bring needed change. He has been defended, in part, as a minority fighting entrenched, racist powers.
When we compare OWS suppression to the civil rights movement violence, & look to the white house for comment, we expect his race to resonate with a sense of justice. But it does not because his color doesn't matter, & that is perhaps the most damning thing I can say about obama
 
 
+2 # Bill Clements 2011-11-27 13:51
I understand where you're coming from in your follow-up comment. I think you simply failed to elaborate on what you were getting at in your original comment and left yourself open to the racism criticism.

I think, probably, there aren't many people these days who continue to equate his skin color with their ideas of what kind of a liberal Democrat he would be. And, of course, skin color, when you consider Allen West, for example, proves the irrelevancy of it in determining what sort of political views such a person is likely to hold.
 
 
+37 # handymandave 2011-11-26 11:44
Why should this surprise anyone? Both sides in politcs are bought and paid for by the 1%. Historically it is a fact that when the people finally begin tot wake up and cryout against the corruption of the political system, (no matter what it is,) those in power systematically seek to silence those voices. History tells us there will be much blood shed in this fight.
However, there is hope for after the oppression, blood, tears and suffering, revolution is eventually inevitable. I can only hope something better for the 99% emerges at the end of the struggle. (Which sadly, is not the inevitable result of revolution.)
 
 
+52 # JGSHURT69 2011-11-26 11:59
Great article, but VERY SAD to see no mention of the Pentagon, its crimes, its
bases, its drones, its budget. Let's not
pretend that DHS is not its HomeFront Arm
to keep the people down. Stand up, Occupy,
but don't fight back...just occupy and
keep on coming back.
 
 
+33 # Doubter 2011-11-26 14:53
Cut offense spending by 90%!
Mothball the fleet and the air force and disband the army before they start using it on us.
 
 
+21 # NOMINAE 2011-11-26 20:18
Dear Doubter

Good comment, good ideas, except that they don't need the Army. They have already provided themselves with their own private armies, accountable to no one but their employers, and paid for with U.S. taxpayer money.

Once can google Blackwater, et al, for more detail. Before we started pulling out of Iraq, we still had more "military contract" armed forces (mercenaries like Blackwater) with boots on the ground than we did enlisted U.S. Troops. That's why we can literally pull out every enlisted U.S. Troop, and *still* not really be "out of" Iraq.

To see how the 1% are willing to use private militaries right here at home on U.S. soil, google "Blackwater and Hurricane Katrina".
 
 
+3 # RLF 2011-11-28 08:25
and after that google Pinkerton.
 
 
+43 # evan 2011-11-26 12:16
Holy One, that the 'Democratic agenda' has been 'strengthened' by the OWS, may or may not be true, but this has entirely to do with to what extent the Democratic party can turn this shameful event into political currency.

Ms Wolfe's point (and she is an exceptionally talented journalist, with a proven track record) is that the orders for the crackdown came from a DEMOCRATIC administration.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
 
 
+36 # lorenbliss 2011-11-26 12:17
Kudos to Ms. Wolf for an excellent analysis, connecting the proverbial dots all the way to Barack the Betrayer.

One of the greatest gifts of OWS and its offspring is how it is forcing the politicians to reveal their true selves. Republicans or Democrats it matters not: they are capitalist pigs -- plutocratic tyrants -- one and all.
 
 
+25 # lark3650 2011-11-26 12:18
"The past should be review to determine the pathway into the future." I encourage everyone to read an out-of-print book, "Imperial Washington." It was written by R.F. Pettigrew who was a senator from South Dakota in the late 1800s. Read this book and you will see that the way our government operates today is nothing new. It is available on abebook.com
 
 
+27 # wfalco 2011-11-26 12:21
A true revolution, in my opinion, can not occur without the police on our side. It is not as remote of a possibility as one might guess.
A majority of our men in blue are of the militaristic/ri ght wing philosophy. However, many are unionized and have gotten into their "occupation" out of some sense of altruism combined with the benefits that accompany being a civil servant. There are risks involved, of course, but these are men and women who value a decent livelihood, like everyone else. And at the top, at least in some cities, are administrators and leaders of the police force with Master's degrees in studies such as criminology and sociology. In other words there may be an occasional strain of liberalism, at least at the top of the polic food chain. Combine this philosophy and the unionization of the guys on the front lines and what one has is a ripeness for understanding of what the Movement is all about. With Wisconsin as a firm example it seems within the realm of possibility that our men in blue can be taught to "turn the other cheek" on the corporate orders they are given. I don't know if it is possible, and it will take some talent from our side, such as the articulateness of someone such as Ms. Wolf. But perhaps it is possible for the civil servants to become attached to some sense of social consciousness and realise who is actually on their side.
 
 
+26 # slow_learner 2011-11-26 12:38
Thank you for connecting the dots. Look for more cointelpro instigations to justify more police violence. Sorry, Holyone, but you have been manipulated. Reach out to the police officers around you and thank them when they are holding fast to our constitutional protections - they take an oath.
 
 
+54 # Okieangels 2011-11-26 12:39
Does this surprise ANYONE???? Was NO ONE else freaked out by the eerie silence of Washington DC while all of this was going on?
 
 
+34 # cordleycoit 2011-11-26 12:40
What we are seeing is the spectacle challenged by the people. The people being the government's worst enemy; so in the land of the free the police forces have been mobilized to defend the people by beating them. DHS exists to suppress democracy, free press and most of all the rights of the people to gather and protest an unjust government.
 
 
+17 # NOMINAE 2011-11-26 22:57
Solidly said, cordleycoit -

Look at DHS supplying local police forces with all this riot gear and training under the pretext of "fighting terrorism". Have you ever seen anyone "fight terrorism" wearing full riot gear ? Riot gear has only one function and purpose. Protecting the wearer during the process of crowd control during a riot. The 1% has been preparing for the present for many years.
 
 
+40 # rhp 2011-11-26 12:47
Barbara,

While I can agree with your sentiments,and I usually vote Dem, you would do well to familiarize yourself with what the Dems did to help create this mess. Glass-Steagal was repealed under Clinton. Are you aware that John Corzine, former Dem guv of NJ was probably next in line to become treasury sec'y after Geithner? This is not Dems versus Reps, but about big money controlling BOTH parties! Check out Gretchen Morgenson's Reckless Endangerment for further background.

best, rhp
 
 
+21 # slow_learner 2011-11-26 14:41
The Dems had Ted Kennedy and Tip O'Neill, and maybe we'll have Elizabeth Warren -- the Republicans cannot boast any in Congress with sympathy for the 99% who haven't become Independents.
 
 
+42 # Lolanne 2011-11-26 12:48
So now we know why there has not been and will not be any statement against the violence set loose on peaceful, unarmed demonstrators from the President or anyone in Congress, for the simple reason that they knew and approved it in the first place. This is the worst betrayal yet, to think that those entrusted with governing the country, protecting the interests of all its citizens, have turned against us in the name of the almighty dollar, right from the president on down. Very, very painful. But in spite of that, the Occupiers will not be stopped. The movement will only grow stronger as more and more people learn this bitter truth.
 
 
+24 # twnzach 2011-11-26 12:53
Why "hogwash"? Sure she has written in a bit of a grandiose fashion...but the only part I question is how much the president actually colluded against the OWS. Otherwise, the information seems true and factual -- and while conspiracy theories are often hogwash, this kind sounds very real and with a large tint of common sense
 
 
+39 # Tippitc 2011-11-26 12:54
Hog Wash - I think not!! Just the FACT there was a NATIONWIDE over-reaction by cops against Occupiers and journalists WAS NOT a coincidence!! This was directed by some top-level string pullers. Homeland Security and Patriots Day - god help us!!!
 
 
+50 # pierre 2011-11-26 12:55
Naomi Wolf is RIGHT ON !!!!!!!!!!!... Welcome to Nazi, U.S.A. ... This is a country that, currently, has a ONE-PARTY system. Republicans, Democrats, it's only a facade to keep the masses fooled. Most of Congress does NOT represent its constituents. Congress is the agent of the Ruling Elite and Corporate AmeriKa ...
To the somnolent fools I say WAKE UP!
 
 
+43 # redjelly39 2011-11-26 12:56
Photographers Right - Condensed version Part 1 -
The General Rule
The general rule in the United States
is that anyone may take photographs
of whatever they want when they are
in a public place or places where they
have permission to take photographs.
Absent a specific legal prohibition
such as a statute or ordinance, you are
legally entitled to take photographs.
Examples of places that are traditionally
considered public are streets,
sidewalks, and public parks.

Confrontations that impair the constitutional
right to make images are
becoming more common. To fight the
abuse of your right to free expression,
you need to know your rights to take
photographs and the remedies available
if your rights are infringed.

Permissible Subjects
Despite misconceptions to the contrary,
the following subjects can
almost always be photographed lawfully
from public places:
accident and fire scenes
children
celebrities
bridges and other infrastructure
residential and commercial buildings
industrial facilities and public utilities
transportation facilities (e.g., airports)
Superfund sites
criminal activities
law enforcement officers
 
 
+37 # redjelly39 2011-11-26 13:03
Photographers Rights = Part 2...
Security is
rarely a legitimate reason for restricting
photography. Taking a photograph
is not a terrorist act nor can a
business legitimately assert that taking
a photograph of a subject in public
view infringes on its trade secrets.
On occasion, law enforcement officers
may object to photography but
most understand that people have the
right to take photographs and do not
interfere with photographers. They do
have the right to keep you away from
areas where you may impede their
activities or endanger safety. However,
they do not have the legal right
to prohibit you from taking photographs
from other locations.
How to Handle Confrontations
Most confrontations can be defused
by being courteous and respectful. Above all, use good
judgment and don’t allow an event to
escalate into violence.
 
 
+28 # Okieangels 2011-11-26 13:08
To my knowledge, the only Presidential candidate who has spoken up against the brutality waged against OWS is Jill Stein of the Green Party.
 
 
+40 # shortonfaith 2011-11-26 13:16
For a few years we've heard rumors of the cities preparing camps for the unruly. I believed it was going to be those folks swindled out of their homes & retirements. I never imagined it would be the young, swindled out of any future life? I'm continually thankfull for OWS, every day. I give everything I can. I believe giving a dollar to OWS will travel much further than one given to the re-elect Obama campaign. And Republicans, have long been past the point of no return.

I believe Obama is much smarter than W. Nothing gets past him & nothing happens without his prior approval. He plans for months an sends in a stealth team when he can. Don't think for a moment all these contingencies weren't plan out. I mean, riot gear to fight off 100 religious nuts preparing to invade the US? Jim Jones had more followers. After the twin towers, did anyone need police in riot gear? No.

During the Regan years more of Regan's staff were charged with crimes than any other president in US history. Obama has yet to hold anyone accountable, past or present. The only ones being sprayed down & booked here are those speaking up. It's a slightly different tactic than Bush but, basically the same outcome.

Please give to OWS. Make friends with a new policeman everyday. Don't let yourself get divided by the lies.
 
 
+34 # redjelly39 2011-11-26 13:19
Senate To Vote On Legislation That Allows U.S. Military to Detain Americans Without Charge or Trial

The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States its
 
 
+22 # Doubter 2011-11-26 15:06
This is the logical next step.

REPRESSION is the name of the game.

It's us vs. "them."

Trouble is all we have is soft bodies while "they" have all the hardware.
 
 
+17 # Nell H 2011-11-26 13:23
The NYPD is suspect in many respects, including the ticket-fixing scandal and false arrests. The NYPD seems to be a police force out o control and accountable only to itself.

Given demonstrated problems in the NYPD, I'm not convinced that you can lay the blame on Homeland Security. For the mayors o major cities to talk about the problem OWS causes them is a natural reaction. The police used far too much force and attempted to prevent news coverage.

THe well-known fact that FOX did not cover the OWS is just more of the way FOX selectively reports the "news."
 
 
+13 # sandyboy 2011-11-26 13:25
Alan Moore's V for Vendetta has become reality!!!!!!!
 
 
+41 # R Miller 2011-11-26 13:42
Holyone was the first commenter out of the block. It's almost as if he/she knew this would be published and was waiting to troll it. Corporatists: please wait a few minutes before you write the "appropriately balanced comment," otherwise it will look exactly like the jive that it is. Wolf is a good journalist with old-school cred and a great track record. What she has to say about Homeland Security--and by extension- this administration, is alarming. Every reporter should be trying to ascertain the link between DHS and the pepper-spraying , baton-wielding chimps who hammered the OWS. Failing that, maybe some sharp attorneys can file on the mayors en masse to see how high the conspiracy to commit violence went.
 
 
+26 # freedomlover1953 2011-11-26 13:47
Holyone,

You are naive. The plutocracy is alive and is protecting members vested interests without remorse or second thoughts. Those in solidarity with the poor must stand witness to this oppression whenever and whereever possible.

Why do these reports always originate in the UK? Isn't there a media source in the US that might pick this up and explore it? Consider it.

pace e bene!
 
 
-9 # bobbygoode 2011-11-26 14:06
OMG Here we go again. Where is the smoking gun memo from Obama authorizing this? Such articles serve more to turn off potential voters - the only way to change things - than come up with useful action. And that is how we end up voting for Nader and getting Bush. We have to use another meme. Organize voters, primary blue dogs, vote in true progressives in state and national legislatures who can push Obama - our only real hope, however questionable, at the moment... maybe some day we'll get a Bernie Sanders with a true chance of winning. NOT NOW. We have an actual reality in which we must dwell as we chip away at these powerful forces. No question there was a national coordinated effort, and certainly Fox if not the mainstream press would DELIGHT in spreding the news that Obama was behind the crackdown. But his purpose in this wobbly election cycle does not seem at all served by the always futile effort to shut people up. They were far too late with that effort, which makes the hypothesis a little weak. They waited till the news cameras were on before they started pepper spraying? It's complicated, but let's not let Romney et al back into power. Most definitely THEY don't want Occupy to prevail.
 
 
+14 # Texas Aggie 2011-11-26 19:30
It's called circumstantial evidence and circumstantial evidence of lesser caliber has been good enough to get be executed for murder. The circumstantial evidence that Naomi mentions is strong enough to convict in the absence of any contradictory evidence. Do you have any?
 
 
+8 # Icon 2011-11-26 22:54
bobby, hate to burst your bubble but, Obama is bought & paid for & not by you or the other sheep that bought his lies. He & his soul are owned by the MAN!!
 
 
-26 # MarieF13 2011-11-26 14:10
Is anyone listening to Ron Paul? He's calling for the same reforms as the Occupiers.
 
 
+45 # michelle 2011-11-26 14:26
... along with banning abortion, letting people without health insurance die, abolishing any safety nets like social security, medicare, medicaid, and food stamps. He would establish an Ayn Rand Utopia for the 1%. While the ditto heads drink the kool aid, the Ron Paulies eat it dry from the package and leer at you red stained teeth. Really, look at the whole package.
 
 
+24 # Bluesguy 2011-11-26 14:56
Quoting michelle:
... along with banning abortion, letting people without health insurance die, abolishing any safety nets like social security, medicare, medicaid, and food stamps. He would establish an Ayn Rand Utopia for the 1%. While the ditto heads drink the kool aid, the Ron Paulies eat it dry from the package and leer at you red stained teeth. Really, look at the whole package.

Thank you, Michelle; exactly ! Paulites are seduced by the clean sweep of it all; thinking that we can start from an equal starting point=FANTASY; plus, many of them are quite young, and conveniently forget/ignore all your excellent points.
Also, many of them assume the infrastructure, and more importantly the social contract just...what? created themselves?? fantasy but cruel, low-road fantasy that has real effect.
Ayn Rand got SS and Medicare, thru a false name, OKAY Paulites ?
thanks, Michelle, for another "pithy post"
 
 
+17 # racetoinfinity 2011-11-26 21:01
and aboloshing the EPA, Dept. of Education, Dept. of Labor, etc., etc. - anything that supports the public interest, which he believes to be a communist evil.
 
 
+18 # LessSaid 2011-11-26 16:12
Quoting MarieF13:
Is anyone listening to Ron Paul? He's calling for the same reforms as the Occupiers.


Please list them.
 
 
+17 # WLawpsh 2011-11-26 14:38
What's even more shocking, Naomi and all thinking and caring people who have shared their comments, is that what you is the inevitable consequence of the US Supreme Court's ongoing obstruction and ignoring of its own decision in Marbury v. Madison (1803) that constitutional democracy can not continue to exist without judicial review of federal law usurpation of imperial power over and above the limited jurisdiction delegated to government by the Constitution. The commerce, defence and treaty clauses preclude imperialism. Two federal imperial statutes the Appropriations Act of 1871 and the War Powers Act of 1973 assume them. The police violence that shocks is an imperial era norm. The reason the imperial era is upon us is, the US Supreme Court refuses judicially to review the federal imperial statutes that ostensibly make it seem legal even though, in truth, it is unconstitutiona l. The detailed legal proof is all laid out in the website "Might Is Not Right" at http://mightisnotright.org/.
 
 
+13 # NOMINAE 2011-11-26 23:09
@ WLawpsh

Man, beautifully stated, but can you *really* believe that this is *STILL* a Nation Of Laws ?

Not even the Government pretends to abide by the Nation's laws anymore, much less the 1% they shill for.

The law has always been "flexible" for the insiders, but for the last 30 years, the law, for insiders, has been non-existent, and they have publicly dropped all pretense to the contrary.
 
 
+4 # WLawpsh 2011-11-27 03:04
Quoting NOMINAE:
@ WLawpsh

but can you *really* believe that this is *STILL* a Nation Of Laws ?


Dear Nominae:
You speak the truth. While I agree this is no longer a Nation of Laws in practice, I hope you may agree it still is in constitutional theory and that the solution may be to strive to close the gap between practice and theory; specifically, by forcing the US Supreme Court to do its duty to uphold it. I strongly believe that the court case at the website is the means, in fact, the only means capable of rescuing constitutional democracy in time for it to rescue the People. Cheers, W'Lawpsh
 
 
0 # NOMINAE 2011-11-27 23:16


While I agree this is no longer a Nation of Laws in practice, I hope you may agree it still is in constitutional theory and that the solution may be to strive to close the gap between practice and theory; specifically, by forcing the US Supreme Court to do its duty to uphold it. I strongly believe that the court case at the website is the means, in fact, the only means capable of rescuing constitutional democracy in time for it to rescue the People. Cheers, W'Lawpsh

Dear W'Lawpsh

You obviously possess great in-depth legal knowledge, and you also demonstrate the heart of a fighter for what's right.

I, too, wish we could effect change via peaceful and legal processes. Perhaps some way to do that will yet emerge.

If not, we will certainly need persons such as yourself to help construct the new paradigm after the old system crumbles into dust.

Solidarity, Nominae
 
 
+19 # Elliot 2011-11-26 14:52
CENTRAL PARK OCCUPATON & CONCERT

The movement took off and maintained vigor owing to the physical occupation of Zucotti Park. Now it is suffering from the lack of such a central space.

We need some really big musical talent to step up and create anthems for the permanent Occupation of Central Park. This would give the NYC movement back what it needs and help rekick-start things nationwide. This could be epic and go down in history.

We need Phish, Neil Young and others NOW.
 
 
+3 # Bluesguy 2011-11-27 01:26
Quoting Elliot:
CENTRAL PARK OCCUPATON & CONCERT

The movement took off and maintained vigor owing to the physical occupation of Zucotti Park. Now it is suffering from the lack of such a central space.

We need some really big musical talent to step up and create anthems for the permanent Occupation of Central Park. This would give the NYC movement back what it needs and help rekick-start things nationwide. This could be epic and go down in history.

We need Phish, Neil Young and others NOW.

I say we really need Frank Zappa for this stuff; Dweezil is magnificent and just as good a guitarist, maybe, but Frank had seen much and was razor-sharp.
 
 
+14 # goodsensecynic 2011-11-26 14:56
"No you can't!" - B. H. Obama
 
 
+14 # Carolyn 2011-11-26 15:35
The government is being brought ito he light. it is government of the few for the few in the worship of money/gold. It is government by brute force.
The change we can count on and the change we can believe in is our non-violent change for the good of the whole, based upon loving, caring, understanding, and giving in Relationship. Harmonious relationship is the change that is evolving -- in sychronicity with the creativity of the Nature of the Earth from which we came.
 
 
-16 # Tom Camfield 2011-11-26 16:11
It's difficult for me to believe that "collusion of the president" part. But apparently that's how it looks to a writer from the United Kingdom.
 
 
+7 # Dion Giles 2011-11-26 20:04
It's like this: in the real world, evidence caps loyalty. Writing from outside the USA, Ms Wolf is not caught up in loyalty to an American demagogue. Fortunately, the scales have already also fallen from many American eyes as well, and the process continues. What can save Obama in 2012 as loyalty fades under the weight of evidence is that the alternative is seen as worse.
 
 
+25 # cvm79 2011-11-26 16:19
Tearing down those encampments was an afront to the first ammendment. The general protocol for protests seems to be that protesters make signs and march on a public location (ie. City Hall.) They make alot of noise until the TV cameras show up and when the TV cameras leave the protest ends. Later they get a minute or two on the evenning news followed by a spokesperson countering with a carefully crafted politically correct response. The protest is over and nothing gets done. In my opinion the tents say that OWS will not go home and the protest is not over. It wants real real change not "lip service."
 
 
+31 # wrodwell 2011-11-26 16:58
Naomi, kudos for your revelations about the depth - and breadth - of $$$$$$$ political corruption in Washington; let's hope our fellow citizens pay heed.
I realized years ago that as soon as DHS was created, along with the two Patriot Acts, that these entities, along with a quantum increase in domestic surveillance and infiltration tactics, were going to be the spearpoints used for domestic suppression - and so they are. For months, DHS has been quietly making contingency plans across the country - not just phone calls - for what the ruling class believes will be the coming New American Revolution. (Do you live near a military base? Check it out.) If We, The People, do not realize that our entire "leadership" system is geared to fiercely protecting itself, then we will go down the tubes.
You correctly point out that we are at the beginning stages of a new Civil War, and while domestic repression has been less violent so far than in the Middle East and other areas, it's only a matter of time before police bullets replace pepper spray. I have a foreboding that the paramilitary forces posing as domestic police are just itching to use their new toys. And if they're reinforced by the Military, what then? I wonder what piece of contemporary American real estate will have the honor of becoming our new Lexington & Concord or Fort Sumpter?
 
 
+21 # badbenski 2011-11-26 20:18
Let's see... The police have been increasingly militarized, The Dept. Of Homeland Security is conducting seminars on how to suppress the Occupy movement and now Congress is crafting legislation that will allow authorities to cart any of us off, without charge, for however long they wish. Call me paranoid but do you get the feeling of being set up like a bowling pin?
 
 
+11 # goodsensecynic 2011-11-26 22:08
Just because you're paranoid, it's no reason to think they're not out to get you!

And, for the 99%, most of us have already been got.
 
 
+11 # uncbros 2011-11-26 20:32
Get the money out is the only movement we need to clean up this mess. Money talks and the will of the people walks.
Money corrupts and lots of money corrupts absolutely. Greed and great wealth in the hands of the Greedy will trump all.
 
 
+9 # vt143 2011-11-26 20:54
Did this article hit a nerve??? Wake up: the America you read about in history books does not exist any more. It's all about the money. Crack addicts bust into convenience stores to support their habits. They're hooked. Most of our elected officials are the legislative equivalent of crack addicts. You try to stop the gravy train and they will crack your heads. It's serious business. The Koch brothers are pouring $200,000,000 into the next election and George Soros a like amount. It's not Republican or Democrat. It's a failed system. In Dalton Trumbo's book JOHNNY GOT HIS GUN there is a pivotal scene wherein in WWI trench warfare a German soldier and an American soldier come face to face in a trench. They are about to obliterate each other when they see a rat in the trench. They see the rat, they look at each other, and they go after the rat. It's not the Tea Party, the Republicans, The Democrats or OWS. It's the rat. IT'S THE RAT!
 
 
+3 # Icon 2011-11-26 22:40
Interesting spin on the coordinated crackdown on the OWS movement. It was the first thing that entered my mind when I realized that it was a master plan & not just random, that it came from Obama. Having never been conned by his BS from the start because I followed where his money was coming from, this piece fits perfectly into his masters agenda; his masters being the FED bankers, the Pharma Corps., Oil & of course the MIC! Starting with the MIC 1st., we see now that the troops are being pulled from Iraq as the US starts it's spinning to start & new preemptive WAR in Iran. This agenda is coming from what most thought a dead group the Zionist Neo Cons. Hidden but not gone by any stretch of the imagination, just working the backroom at the WH! Next the Oil boys. Need I say more. Then Big Pharma, ever wonder why Obama is busting MJ?? No need to say more. And last but not least, the FED. The .001% what has a hand in all of the above. DHS is gearing up as are the local police at the presidents request but rest assured that all of these evil, corrupt entities aren't going to make a difference when push come to shove. It's just going to make The New American Revolution all a lot more UGLY!!!
 
 
-8 # LAellie33 2011-11-27 05:28
Lies lies lies. Twisted and manipulated from the slew of Obama haters. Scorched earth, slurs, imaginary conspiracies. I give up. Say and do what you want at your peril. Me? I'll happily vote to re-elect President Obama. Goodnight and good luck.
 
 
+3 # mog 2011-11-27 09:48
It is not at all encouraging reading the comments posted on this column. Much misinformation (e.g., Naiomi Wolf is an American writer, no substantiation for accusing Obama for orchestration, etc.) that does not help in clarifications. Does not seem that many believe in making the effort to check out the validity of their opinions. And no one discussed the three points that Wolf made on the substance of the OWS. Why is that?
MOG
 
 
0 # MainStreetMentor 2011-11-27 10:45
There may be a need for a third political party – but we must NOT dilute the votes for Democrat candidates in the upcoming elections of 2012. As bad as Obama may appear to be (and perhaps actually IS), he is STILL better than ANY RepubTeacan candidate. To vote for a third party candidate at this juncture – when the “Occupy …” Movement is so very close to victory – would only serve to dilute the votes for Obama, and in that manner increase the possibility of a RepubTeacan victory – which America’s middle-class must NOT allow to occur. The involvement of DHS and other government agencies in suppression of the “Occupy …” Movement is done because mayors and governors sell the idea that “potential destruction of public property” is imminent – and in “buying” that argument, DHS’s (and other agencies) excuse is: They are honoring their charter to “protect and defend”. Of course, that charter does not contain the words “within the authorizations of the Constitution of the United States of America”. Were those words included, DHS response might be much different.
 
 
+6 # mwd870 2011-11-27 11:24
As Michael Moore said, there are millions of us and only a few hundred of the Wall Street 1%. Unfortunately, there are many citizens who will always believe the conservative agenda and vote Republican.

We will have to work hard to vote out the corrupt policitians of both parties in order to make change possible - as described here by Naomi Wolf. There is not a single thing she said that isn't true.
 
 
+4 # Electricrailwaygod 2011-11-27 12:02
As I almost use my standby expression on my posts, I shall refrain from using such now. Months ago I had told my sister that I strongly feel that the First World Civil War is looming. She had thought then that "I was way out there"! Today, though she hasn't exactly recanted her comment he actions have! Interesting that the two words "civil war" have finally appeared in this article.

This is only the beginning. Bothe World Wars (conventional wars) had not initially begun as WORLD wars per se, but over time they had evolved to be such. It is so unfortunate, but I do see an international cooperation and solidarity with Tahrir Square, this may very well be known as the Zucotti-Tahrir Civil War (but growing well beyond Egypt and America. This shall not be a 2conventional" civil conflict such as had happened in America between the North and South in 1865, but a "war" between the super wealthy and the impoverished through demonstrations and protests, and perhaps ebentually to civil disobedience -- with the Police State as the perpetrators of violence -- as indeed has already been the case as this article describes.

This is going to be a tough road ahead, but one that MUST be fought! It is for the very survival of the Human Race and the biosphere of this planet -- or we ALL perish! Unfortunately this "war" is inevitable!
 
 
+2 # Barbara K 2011-11-27 12:05
Hmmm, I just read Joshua Holland's article on this column on AlterNet. He claims these are all lies and that it is not happening. If true, that restores my faith in my country. You may want to read his take on this too. Who is correct? I guess we have to figure that out.

NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
 
 
+3 # bobby t. 2011-11-27 13:02
there is this theory of rising expectations. some historians believe that is what starts revolutions. the emotion that starts it is disappointment. sounds very mild, but in reality, disappointment creates rage. the tea tax created disappointment because the people in the new world thought they were first class english citizens. and then the stamp act. rage, and the boston tea party. liberals are always disappointed in their presidents. rightly so in most cases, because the prez lets them down. always. been that way forever. we were reminded that the obama medical plan was a "step" in the right direction, and that we needed patience. and so it goes.
 
 
+2 # bracero 2011-11-27 13:04
The beatings of non-violent protestors may end up similar to the shelling of Fort Sumter that started the civil way.
We are simply mad as hell and won't take any more.
Our system as it stands is broken. We have two parties with similar agenda's. They are both out for themselves and the people be damned.
We need a third party that is willing to fight for the rights we are losing every day. One that will once again carry the torch of freedom
Neither party is representing the people of this nation. Let's create a new party that gives a damn about Joe Public. One that represents all Americans rich or poor regardless of the persons ethnicity, religion or wealth.
We have done it in the past and we can do it again. One country-uber alles.
 
 
+4 # Elliot 2011-11-27 16:38
We need more than a third party. That only splits the vote.

We need a parlimentarian or other similar system DESIGNED for multiple parties.

Then when things are gridlocked we vote "no confidence" and can dissolve the government and in a few months (not YEARS) we have an election and try again.
 
 
+3 # MichaelSSmithNJ 2011-11-27 13:27
Are we living in a free democracy or a Fascist Police state I am suprised that many of the mayors of the cities who are envolved in the crackdown are Democrats thought there are some Democratic Mayors who seem to be supportive or at the least simpathetic to the movement OWS should be to the Democrats as the Tea Baggers areto the Greedy Orligarchicla Plutocrats,
 
 
+3 # NaaKhal 2011-11-27 19:01
OWS should begin to unify on an agenda. One that I suggest in the future is that gas prices are scheduled to rise in the spring between $3.75 and $4.50 a gallon. Occupy the oil companies. But a good thing is that the Occupy Movement is bringing down the demand because most of them are not driving cars since they are camping out for days, weeks, and moths at a time.

OWS can also register new voters and protest that there are many states (run by a certain party) who are making it harder for the poor and senior citizens to vote without a photo ID.

Now if Occupiers walked the streets knocking on doors registering people to vote, the police cannot do anything because the Occupiers are scattered everywhere and making progress. The Occupiers can also educate the public. Just imagine them going into rural areas getting an education about how they should not vote against their own interest as many of them have been doing. They need to know that they are also a part of the 99 percent, not the 1 percent. They also need health care, social security, medicare, medicaid, and especially good-paying jobs with benefits.

Love them or hate them, the police need to realize that the Occupy Movement is fighting to save their jobs. it would look stupid to see so many officers arresting people, and then they get pink slips.
 
 
0 # Bill Clements 2011-11-28 01:51
I subscribe to Corey Robin's blog and was surprised to read him taking issue with Naomi Wolf's article. He seems to discount any national, centralized repression.

http://coreyrobin.com/2011/11/27/the-occupy-crackdowns-why-naomi-wolf-got-it-wrong/

He also cites Joshua Holland's article on Alternet debunking Wolf's claims.

http://www.alternet.org/story/153222/naomi_wolf’s_‘shocking_truth’_about_the_‘occupy_crackdowns’_offers_anything_but_the_truth/?page=1

I offer these as fodder to the discussion. What do other's think? I'm not so easily convinced.
 
 
0 # Watson 2011-11-29 14:35
Robin's blog said little of value except Holland is right and that's pretty much it, He went on a spill about the localized nature of repression. I would submit to Robin that this is not an either/or type of situation. Repression exists both locally and nationally. I also found his quote of himself as evidence solipsistic.

As for Holland I have posted three times on alternet directly in response to his personal post and they magically disappear a minute later. In sum he is either hopelessly and stubbornly naive or a wolf in sheeps clothing. The piece is classic Holland. If he catches even a whiff of behind the scenes collusion he cries foul, and decries the foolish tinfoil hat crowd of the conspiracy theorist. If you think about what Wolf has been reporting for the past several years you could easily see that Holland set out to write a hit piece. He basically called her and her sources liars and discounted everything she said because she messed up the chain of command at DHS. He however completely mis-characteriz ed the nature of Wexler's role at DHS, and the huge potential of collusion between PERF and DHS. He either has no idea what the purpose of DHS is, nor its range of power, or its modus operandi or... Completely debunked him using the websites for DHS, FEMA, and PERF. Nothing more than a smear job on someone he fundamentally disagrees with.
 
 
0 # Bill Clements 2011-11-30 00:33
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with you; why does it have to be an either or situation? I would love Wolf (or others) to dig deeper into this story; not enough hard evidence to my liking.

I'm only now learning about Holland. I also came to the same conclusion you did: there's something personal between him and Wolf.
 
 
+4 # PatRavasio 2011-11-28 11:51
Regardless, I do think it is time for this movement to carefully consider its next steps. It is time to OCCUPY CONGRESS. Like the Million Man march, we need to OCCUPY the National Mall in large enought numbers to draw attention to the fact the CONGRESS is both the cause of the problem and the only real source of solutions.
 
 
0 # SilentSpace 2011-12-04 19:48
The root cause are the dynastic plutocratic families that control the govt with their wealth.
 
 
-1 # wleming 2011-11-28 17:13
you can't have a police state without federal "participation. " do folks honestly think the nsa, asa, cia, and homeland security are not on the move to put down protest and democracy... as they've done in other countries? this. is the pope catholic school of journalism is evidence of a neo liberal no win mentality== at the heart of "progressive" media. there are billions being made working for the government and the corp. in security state careers. sign up now... before the money gets thinner.
 
 
+3 # kaf 2011-11-28 19:02
Could it be that Obama -- while acutely aware of the huge fascist element embedded in Congress, the (once) Grand Old Party, Banks and Corporations -- is just sitting there letting this play out so people will see with their own eyes what has gone sour in this country? The conversation has changed for the better and blinders are coming off every day.
 
 
0 # Bill Clements 2011-11-29 13:05
I would dearly love to believe that his lack of leadership/pass ivity/disintere st is part of a deliberate strategy to help people come to what is happening all on their own, but it sounds a bit farfetched to me.

I agree with you that blinders are coming off and hopefully that will eventually lead to a remake of our broken system.
 
 
0 # SarahPalinForever2011 2011-11-29 11:12
"They're a threat to Obama, too, because they are calling for reforms he is definitely not prepared to make. Sadly, he's also part of the system."

Sadly...how naive...is it somehow shocking that Obama is somehow a ... [nasty word coming up here] politician? Is he still a savior if he's not saving your particular interest?

kaf - is Obama that brilliant? If so, I think we need to send him right to sainthood.

As far as his color. That should have nothing to do with this. One of the reasons he was elected was that we needed a black man to be president, any black man. That is what we got- just any black man, and most probably, the wrong black man. But get over it. Now we got that over with and whee, the US has proudly righted hundreds of years of wrongs. Not get past that, Obama the man is just as much a politician as all the rest and probably as much as the OWS "leaders" who have found a niche to lead outside mainstream politics.
 
 
0 # Bill Clements 2011-11-29 13:23
I was simply commenting on the large chasm that opened up after the election when people started to see that Obama the candidate was a very different animal from President Obama. Many "naively" believed in his campaign rhetoric and after eight seriously disastrous years of Bush/Cheney/Rum sfeld/Rice, etc. were primed for a complete makeover.

Obama, as you say, has turned out to be a politician and a very moderate one at that (New Democrat). I, for one, never regarded him as a savior. Nor did I think that electing a black man would miraculously heal all the racism, etc. that still exists here. But his election was healing for many, black and whites together.

Not sure what your last point was? All politicians are cut from the same cloth?
 
 
+3 # Cruzer 2011-11-29 11:45
Change is coming. It must. There are to many of us now. Their laws will not matter once we get organized. There are to many of us now. Knowledge is power and the internet is knowledge. This time it can be different. There are to many of us to stop. We don't want what they have and now things will change.
 
 
+1 # SilentSpace 2011-12-04 19:44
We need to know our numbers. When we reach 200 million, we will do a national strike for 7 days. On the 8th day, we will usher in a Whole New Way of Living rooted in Love and Wisdom.
 
 
+1 # ATN 2011-12-04 20:48
The OWS movement is being infiltrate by DHS and informants for the police. The elective representative who are afraid to be caught in their own corruption web. Conspiracy with fascist DHS and mayors of cities to raid the occupiers campment and violate the UNITED STATES CONSITUTION. Occupy Wall Street was showning the heinous sickening representatives they voted to protect the people and country, all they did was take the money from wall street,major banks and multi-national corporation. the corrupted representatives must be sent to prison, the 1% has 99% of the wealth, The 99% got only 1% , that must be share amoung ourselves. The people must vote the corrupte politician out office and take back the government.
 
 
0 # infohiway 2012-02-21 20:39
Hmm.
Imagine: Chains You Can Believe In - in cahoots with para-militarise d police and INFRAGARD?
Emergency Declared.
Shoot-To-Kill 'legal'.
99%?
What 99%?
Problem solved - eh?
 
 
0 # infohiway 2012-02-22 02:06
Talking about infiltration...
http://is.gd/Jvh2Qu
http://is.gd/MkzgMY
 

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