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Wolf writes: "By some estimates, there are more than 20 mass shootings per year in the United States. And always the same question: Why?"

Portrait, author and activist Naomi Wolf, 10/19/11. (photo: Guardian UK)
Portrait, author and activist Naomi Wolf, 10/19/11. (photo: Guardian UK)



Arming the Asylum

By Naomi Wolf, Project Syndicate

01 August 12

 

he horror has become almost routine. This time, the massacre site was a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, where accused shooter James Holmes murdered and injured dozens of moviegoers. In 1999, the scene was nearby Columbine High School. By some estimates, there are more than 20 mass shootings per year in the United States. And always the same question: Why?

When the US is compared to the rest of the world, one reason becomes obvious: while America may not have more homicidally insane people than other countries do, homicidally insane people can get their hands on guns more easily in America than they can virtually anywhere else.

According to a 2007 survey, the United States is far ahead of the rest of the world in terms of gun ownership, with 90 guns for every 100 citizens. With 5% of the global population, America has between one-third and one-half of the world's civilian-owned guns – around 270 million weapons. And many studies show that the US far surpasses other developed countries in deaths from gun violence – 30,000 per year, most of them suicides, but more than 12,000 of them homicides – while guns injure 200,000 Americans annually.

With these casualty figures, one would think that gun-control laws would be a much higher national priority in America than the far more loudly hyped fight against terrorism. After all, ever since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 left roughly 3,000 people dead, gun violence has killed almost 140,000 and injured more than two million.

But, when one looks more closely at why the US is so addicted to this unique kind of violence, the obvious is not so obvious. Why are gun-control laws so hard to pass?

One big reason is the gun lobby, which is one of the most heavily funded in America. Few legislators – Democrats and Republicans alike – care to take on the National Rifle Association. And many Americans believe that the US Constitution's Second Amendment ("A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed") permits individuals virtually unrestricted access to guns.

Indeed, many argue that the risk of gun-related deaths and injuries is the price that Americans must pay for the right to bear arms, which they regard as a powerful defense against tyranny. And, given how many ascendant tyrants have systematically disarmed the population they seek to control, it is difficult to dismiss this argument entirely.

But surely there can be a balance between Second Amendment rights and rational constraints on the ability of mentally unstable people to accumulate arsenals. For example, Colorado and many other states have sought to require more stringent background checks, aimed at preventing those with criminal records or obvious mental-health problems from arming themselves. But few such restrictions have been legislated – or have been left unchallenged by the gun lobby when they are.

Finally, opposition to reasonable gun-control laws in America is cultural, which is reflected in the many news reports following mass shootings that, refusing to admit that America could be wrong, downplay the striking contrast between US gun laws and those elsewhere. So, for example, journalists stress the rather pathetic high note of a grim reality: at least there are not more massacres and murders, and the numbers are stable.

Such coverage also tends to individualize and psychologize social pathologies – another deep-seated American trait, and one reinforced by the lone-cowboy frontier ethos that is central to US mythology (and to gun mythology). As a result, the media tend to focus on the need for better parenting and mental-health treatment. But little US coverage following a gun massacre assesses the impact of America's health-care system, which is unaffordable to many, especially for those with mental-health problems.

That is why, in many US cities, it is common to see people with serious mental illnesses speaking to themselves and otherwise acting out, sometimes violently, on the street. This is a far less common sight in countries with functioning mental-health systems.

Many mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, can cause auditory hallucinations that "command" the patient to commit acts of violence. Medication manages such psychotic symptoms. But proper diagnosis and treatment requires money, and funding is being cut.

Indeed, according to a report in February, US states have had to cut mental-health services by almost 10% in three years, threatening to "swamp emergency rooms and raise health-care costs for all patients." But, if patients cannot get low-cost outpatient psychiatric care for chronic illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder – which require continual management to adjust medication – there will also be more lethal violence, especially if guns are readily available.

Inpatient care, too, has been slashed. In recent decades, mental institutions and halfway houses have been closed in a wholesale way, often in the name of reforming care. But nothing has replaced these facilities, leaving many patients homeless and their severe psychotic symptoms untreated.

Despite the well-documented shortcomings of America's mental-health services, few US policymakers are prepared to address the issue. Until they do, the easy availability of guns all but ensures that massacres like the one in Aurora remain a bitter American refrain.

 

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+108 # walthe310 2012-08-01 11:41
After the trial and punishment and after the healing in Aurora, Colorado ceases, who will pay for the damage and the healing costs? Some of those hospitalized will not have insurance or enough insurance and may lose their jobs if recovery takes too long. Who is going to compensate the victims for their losses?

I would favor compelling the gun lobby, the manufacturers and the NRA, to pay. However, as always they will deny any responsibility. Guns don't kill, people do. That will leave those affected and the taxpayers to pick up the costs. Unfair. I propose an alternative in the form of an insurance mandate.

Before being allowed to purchase a gun, a potential gun owner must purchase insurance to cover property damage and liability for personal injury. The dollar amount of the insurance required would increase with every gun and ammunition magazine purchased. The greater the capacity of the ammunition magazine and the faster the rate of fire of the gun, the higher the insurance premium. I have no idea how much the insurance would cost, but it would act as a deterrent to some potential gun owners. Owning a gun without the proper insurance would be a crime, punished more severely than driving a car without insurance.
 
 
+15 # vicnada 2012-08-01 13:38
Chris Rock has as seriously funny piece on a similar commonsense notion. If you can handle a few four letter words, watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II
The bottom line is that it has to cost lots, lots more to shoot a gun. Anywhere.
 
 
+22 # Majikman 2012-08-01 13:49
Fabulous idea, walthe310.
 
 
+13 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-08-01 22:16
"Before being allowed to purchase a gun, a potential gun owner must purchase insurance to cover property damage and liability for personal injury... The greater the capacity of the ammunition magazine and the faster the rate of fire of the gun, the higher the insurance premium... Owning a gun without the proper insurance would be a crime, punished more severely than driving a car without insurance.
That is the most sensible thing I've heard in a long time. Doesn't infringe anyone's "right" to own a gun, but makes them take some responsibility for putting others at risk.
 
 
+6 # sgmp 2012-08-02 07:27
I would favor compelling the gun lobby, the manufacturers and the NRA, to pay. However, as always they will deny any responsibility. Guns don't kill, people do. That will leave those affected and the taxpayers to pick up the costs. Unfair. I propose an alternative in the form of an insurance mandate.

Before being allowed to purchase a gun, a potential gun owner must purchase insurance to cover property damage and liability for personal injury. The dollar amount of the insurance required would increase with every gun and ammunition magazine purchased. The greater the capacity of the ammunition magazine and the faster the rate of fire of the gun, the higher the insurance premium. I have no idea how much the insurance would cost, but it would act as a deterrent to some potential gun owners. Owning a gun without the proper insurance would be a crime, punished more severely than driving a car without insurance.


THAT is a great idea. I have copied it and will send it to Rep. Chandler who, no doubt will do nothing, but it is the most I can think of to do.
 
 
+1 # tref 2012-08-06 06:14
If Rep Chandler is YOUR representative, AND he does nothing, don't vote for him and email everyone you know not to vote for him and tell they why.
 
 
+47 # Abigail 2012-08-01 11:54
The difficulty is that people ignore the first part of the second amendment, which specifies the need for a well-regulated militia. How this gets twisted to say everyone has a right to guns. A well-regulated militia does not mean anyone should be able to have a gun. But somehow our leaders have a problem bringing up this factor because they are afraid of the power of the NRA.
 
 
-51 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-01 12:36
That is not a "twist". The GOVERNMENT must keep a well-regulated militia (standing army) for national defense. While THE PEOPLE must have a right to bear arms to defend themselves against said government and army.

This is VERY CLEARLY what the historical documents and debate say about the second amendment. There is no confusion.

The PEOPLE have a right to bear arms, BECAUSE the government must have a well-regulated militia. You see, the founders had just fought a war against just such an GOVERNMENT army. They were extremely concerned that a government with an army would terrorize its citizens.

That is the only consistent way to read the bill of rights. Otherwise, "The People" would have a different meaning in that one amendment, than it does in all of the others. That was one of the things mentioned in the recent SCOTUS decision about the matter, which re-affirmed that the right to keep and bear arms is an INDIVIDUAL, not a "collective" (militia) right.

You should do some homework about the history of your country. Your "obvious" interpretation of the second amendment is not what they meant, at all.

So nothing is being ignored. There is no inconsistency. The amendment is clear and concise. All you were missing was the context.
 
 
+30 # Dean 2012-08-01 16:52
Lonny, you have missed the point.
What armed individual would stand a chance against a government dedicated to his destruction? Are we all to maintain a heavy arsenal of bombs, tanks, grenades, cannon, and "defensive" fighter planes? I don't think so. Better not to vote in such a government! Your argument is insane.
 
 
-16 # shraeve 2012-08-01 19:06
No, Dean, I am afraid you have missed the point. A whole country of armed individuals can wreak havoc on an invading army.

During WWII Hitler wanted to invade Switzerland. His generals told him that he could take Switzerland, but it would cost him 200,000 men. The reason was that every Swiss household has a gun. Switzerland remained free.

In the US war against Iraq, about 70% - 80% of the US casualties were from IEDs. But about 20% - 30% were from small arms fire. Most Iraqis only have an AK-47. The AK-47 round, the 7.62x39, is a wimpy round, halfway between a pistol round and a real rifle round. The .30-06 is probably the most common deer rifle in the USA. The .30-06 has about twice the power of the 7.62x39. The .270 is also a very popular caliber and is basically a .30-06 with a bullet that is smaller in diameter, which means it would be even better at penetrating body armor. Any body armor that would protect against a .270 would be too heavy and bulky for an infantryperson to wear for long, especially when you consider all the other stuff they have to carry.

Even the .30-06 and .270 are wimpy compared to some of the bear rifles, elephant rifles, and home-made "wildcat" loads some people have. One cop said that there are Americans with rifles that will shoot through ANYTHING.
 
 
+2 # mgwmgw 2012-08-01 19:52
Quoting shraeve:


During WWII ...Switzerland remained free.

In the US war against Iraq, about 70% - 80% of the US casualties were from IEDs. But about 20% - 30% were from small arms fire.


Shraeve, the best evidence of the truth of your words is that the Occupy protestors got beaten up by the police, but the Tea Party protestors did not. Bullies do not like victims who shoot back.

However, the above does not change the fact that the Colorado shooter was apparently being treated for schizophrenia by a doctor. In retrospect he was a danger to others and should have been restricted in his movements for that reason. Reasonable people can ask how we should prevent such a thing from happening again. Should his medical treatment have caused his weapons to be taken from him? How much is the doctor to blame for not giving him in patient treatment in a locked ward? Without losing the second amendment more generally, do you think anything should have been done differently with respect to this person?
 
 
+2 # shraeve 2012-08-02 13:16
Not much could have been done within our present culture. But cultures can change.

Why do we assume that being crazy means being homicidal? I have reason to suspect it has much more to do with culture than psychosis.

About three decades ago some guy walked into Buckingham Palace and had a conversation with the Queen. The situation was resolved entirely without violence. This was around the time that John Lennon was murdered. One US columnist remarked that their crazy people talk to their celebrities, our crazy people kill our celebrities.

Homicidal people read the newspapers too. That is why we have copycat crimes. Didn't several other people plan to do something similar to what was done in Aurora? I doubt it was a coincidence.

Part of the cultural problem is ingrained bullying. Gavin de Becker, who has made a career of studying violence, said that bullying is just part of out culture.

I suspect that bullying is one of several aspects of our culture that leave people feeling that they have no way out. I think the real problem is to stop putting people in impossible situations.

I wish we would stop demonizing psychiatric patients. I don't think they are any more violent than average, it is just that their crimes get more attention because of prejudice. How many times have you seen it reported that a non-mentally ill person did a violent crime? But that is the usual situation.
 
 
-4 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:21
And were the Tea Party protesters "misbehaving"? Looting? Vandalizing? Screaming profanities at cops? Hmmmm. Dirtbags vs. good citizens getting treated "differently"? Go figure.
 
 
+8 # Phlippinout 2012-08-01 20:55
The only invading army are the white militia that hate everything different than them. Here in Arizona you dont see brown or black guys carrying guns on their hip, they know they will be killed with no questions asked, but the aryans have it made, they parade their guns as if to say "look what I can do and you cant"
 
 
+18 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-08-01 22:17
So why doesn't Switzerland have thousands of gun deaths every year? If I had to guess, I'd say because they have a decent social safety net and health care system.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-02 12:09
You may be right about that.
 
 
+1 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:24
Homogenous societies tend to work cohesively.
 
 
+7 # Glen 2012-08-02 05:34
You appear to be missing a bit of information here, also, shraeve. Switzerland is surrounded by mountains and every mountain pass is filled with explosives, with a bunker. In the time of Hitler, that was a major obstacle. Personal weapons help, but there must other means of defense, also.

Today's military would not storm the passes in Switzerland or any other country. Any attacking army would send in drones, helicopters, and planes dropping bombs that far surpass any in WWII. The U.S. bombed Iraq back to the stone age in days. Weapons in the hands of citizens made no difference, and ieds took out only a fraction compared to bombings and sweeps carried out by the U.S.

Stand in your street and visualize those helicopters moving in and planes so high you can't even hear them, dropping big ones. How about a drone or two hovering? No matter how many guns there are in the U.S., citizens could never stand against an attacking army, no matter whose army it might be.
 
 
+3 # shraeve 2012-08-02 13:38
You mean I can't use my Glock to defend my city against an ICBM?

Different wars have different objectives and are fought under different conditions. Having personal weapons did not help the Libyans or the Serbs. In both cases the USA achieved its objectives with no loss of US life.

You are right. Personal weapons help, but other things are required also.

On the other hand US objectives required that US troops had to be on the ground in Iraq, where they took many casualties. The same is true in Afghanistan. Yet we had total air superiority in both cases.

Having total air superiority did not help the British in Northern Ireland. Only a negotiated peace deal and ethnic separation helped them.

Like one US Army non-com said, the only ground you know you control is the ground one of your guys is standing on. And while he is standing there he is a target for small arms fire.
 
 
-1 # Glen 2012-08-03 04:27
None of us is going to be huddling in discussion concerning the objectives of any attacking military in the U.S. We are simply going to be watching friends and family die by the thousands, just as in Iraq and Afghanistan, Vietnam, et al.

Northern Ireland is not a good example because the issues were different and Ireland is a part of Great Britain, not what could be considered an invading military or whatever.

At any rate, citizens might fight back, but they will lose.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-03 10:37
Whether or not they lose will depend on how much popular support they have and how badly they want to win. The people of Tunisia and Egypt fought back and won. As Mao said, "Dare to struggle, dare to win."

I am puzzled over your paragraph about Northern Ireland. The issues there were different than what? We are talking about hypothetical future situations in the USA, so we don't even know what the issues might be.

Ireland is part of Great Britain? Many people in Ireland think otherwise. What geographical area is part of what country has been the cause of wars throughout history. Mexico thinks that much of the south-central western USA is part of Mexico. Some people in Israel believe that all the land to the east as far as the Euphrates is part of Israel.

Then there was the situation in the USA during the 1860s. A large majority of white people in southern states believed their states were not part of the USA. If the Confederacy had played its cards right (it played nearly every one of its cards wrong) they might have succeeded in making their belief into a fact. One of the factors in the ability of the Confederacy to resist for so long was the greater familiarity the rebs had with rifles. As late as the battle of Antietam there were Union soldiers who went into battle not knowing how to use their rifles.
 
 
-1 # Glen 2012-08-03 15:08
1. Popular support is of no consequence unless you can organize the populace. Do you think the U.S. populace can be organized?
2. Military and governments were organized differently than they are now. There was often little support in decimating a populace because a killing side was reluctant to go against international law and opinion.
3. Ireland was not an invading army. Ireland was a local effort. Violence of that type was handled differently in the past. Ireland was handled differently, just as "terrorists" of the past were, generally. Even the U.S. went after terrorists, rather than attacking and bombing an entire country. Northern Ireland was not an invading country.
4. As for the War Between the States, you are stretching. There was the matter of states rights as much as the myths concerning slavery and such. There was also trade and industry and who was buying what from what country. Same thing: The south was not an invading country. This was within one country. Not China attacking the U.S., for instance.

To compare these issues with a modern invading military or a U.S. military attacking U.S. citizens does not compare. If there is a military wishing to decimate the U.S., they will do it. And uhm, there were no bombs, airplanes, helicopters, and so forth during the War Between the States.

Stop stretching back into history and stick with today's technology.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-03 20:04
We seem to be talking past each other.

One of your main points is that in the past governments did not have weapons that were greatly superior to small arms, but now they have and therefore resistance to tyranny is useless.

If some powerful country wanted to launch a nuclear attack, small arms would not be a factor. But small arms would definitely be a factor for any survivors, because there would be no law. I repeat we don't know what situations the American people might face in the future.

Popular support would not have to be highly organized at first. You don't have to be highly organized to offer refuge to fighters, or to hide their weapons.

Nicolae Ceausescu had the planes, tanks, cannon, machine guns - the Romanian people did not. Yet he was overthrown. Ditto for Egypt and Tunisia.

I used the example of the Civil War to illustrate the advantage gained when most people in the population are familiar with firearms. If we are talking about a conflict involving boots on the ground, small arms count.

During the battle of Stalingrad the most successful Soviet sniper was Vasily Zaytsev. Vasily grew up hunting deer and wolves in the Urals.

The Finns were and are allowed to individually own firearms. Simo Hayha was a hunter before 1939 when Russia invaded. Simo set a record for the number of sniper kills (505).
 
 
+2 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-04 10:03
As Iraq (sadly) demonstrated, governments don't want merely the elimination of offensive capabilities (which were removed, very close to 100%, during the initial "Shock and Awe" response which lasted only a couple of days).

But if you want to CONQUER a population (which was arguably the U.S. goal, as ignoble a goal as that may be), it requires ground troops and occupation.

Small arms are USUALLY what win wars. That remains true to this day.
 
 
-1 # Glen 2012-08-04 13:51
Iraq was not conquered. It was destroyed. Simply because chaos ensued (which was not in place when Hussein was in office) and "terrorists" moved in, did not indicate that "boots on the ground" won out. Iraq was cut down year after year by Bush senior and Clinton. That rendered Iraq an easy conquest. The citizens were dead and dying before George W. issued the order to attack.

Those "small arms" won nothing more than one more sweep to kill more women and children. Which would happen in the U.S. if the government or any invading army wanted to "conquer".
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-04 13:42
Yes, we are "talking past each other" shraeve, but do take note that the South lost that war. They lost due to superior firepower and the willingness of the North to burn and pillage and eliminate the earth that Southerners depended upon for sustenance. "The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down". Sure, many little towns and farms burned their own property to prevent the North from doing the same and keeping the crops out of the hands of that military, but the crux of that biscuit is the North was willing to do anything to crush the South. And the South had firearms aplenty.

If any military is determined to crush their object, they will do so. It is rather cavalier to ignore the sacrifice of those who lose simply because they fought back.

Today we are faced with more firepower than any in the past and many citizens are not prepared to stand up to that. If a government or invading army demoralizes a citizenry and kills off most of them, there will be no standing against the invader.
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-04 23:58
Everything you say is true. The North had tremendous advantages in almost everything needed for war.

What made things worse for the South was the fact that the Confederate government made some really stupid decisions, one of the worst being starting that war in the first place. They completely and continually misread the political situation in the North.

Yet in almost every major battle the North lost more troops than the South, Gettysburg being a big exception. Some of the loss was due to the incredibly inept Northern generalship, but I suspect that some of was due to superior southern marksmanship.

In Iraq the Americans have total superiority in every category of equipment. Yet the US forces remaining in Iraq are sequestered from the Iraqis, because the US public is unwilling to accept any more casualties from that war. That would not have happened if the Iraqi people had just rolled over and played dead.
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-05 08:13
Nevertheless, the South lost. Iraq lost. Thousands died. Towns and homes gone. Plenty of homeless and violence post war.

There was no way to win. Simply holding on does not constitute winning. Should the U.S. be attacked or the government attacked citizens, if it came to that, there would be no quarter, and no way to defend.

THAT was my point.
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-04 13:54
Hold on here. Are we discussing standing up to a superior military power or survival?

I"f some powerful country wanted to launch a nuclear attack, small arms would not be a factor. But small arms would definitely be a factor for any survivors, because there would be no law. I repeat we don't know what situations the American people might face in the future."

Make up your mind, my man. Are we fighting off superior forces, or are we surviving?
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-05 00:15
As I said twice before, I don't know what situation America might face. Iraq has shown us that if we are invaded by a power that leaves the country in shambles, we will probably need personal weapons to survive.

In the early stages of the US occupation of Iraq, the US commanders gave the Iraqi Shiites permission to hunt down and kill Sunnis. Had I been an Iraqi Sunni, I would have wanted to be well-armed.

The USA is a huge place. No invader would have the personpower to impose order everywhere, even if that invader were so inclined. If the Nazis had succeeded in destroying the Soviet government, they could not possibly have run the place.

An old joke: On the eve of Operation Barbarossa, Josef Goebbels was with his girlfriend telling her about Germany's coming invasion of the USSR. Goebbels produced a map of Europe. Girlfriend said, "Show me Germany", and Goebbels did. Girlfriend then said "Show me the USSR. After Goebbels showed her the USSR, girlfriend was silent for a long moment. She then said slowly, "Darling, has Hitler seen this map?"
 
 
0 # Glen 2012-08-05 08:18
Once again, surviving is not winning. Being destroyed is not winning. There are many many stories of heroism and great good methods of destruction. Should the U.S. attack its citizens or be invaded, sure, you would need guns to hunt rabbits to eat and fend off those psychotic people we've all been discussing, after the dust settles. That is not the same as fighting off those helicopters, tanks, bombers, or anything else. You lose.

Try to tell the average Iraqi that because they have guns they have won.
 
 
+2 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-04 09:57
You are calling the clearly documented history of our country insane. Did you honestly think I made all that up?

Look it up, man. It's in the documents surrounding ratification of the Constitution (for example, the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist papers).

It is also clearly mentioned in the recent "District of Columbia v. Heller" decision of the Supreme Court.

If it is "insane", why is your own Supreme Court saying the same things I did?

And once again, I have been voted down on this site for simply reporting easily verifiable FACTS.

That says A LOT about the average reader here.
 
 
0 # tref 2012-08-06 06:57
To LonnyEachus - the average reader here is politically motivated as are the average readers on conservative websites. That means they have a political axe to grind. Most people who can think well are not in lock-step with any one political philosophy. They read opposing points of view AND CREDIT THE OPPOSING VIEWS WHEN APPROPRIATE. Thoughtful liberals and conservatives try to visualize ways to incorporate good ideas that stem from ideology they do not share. Knee-jerk conservatives and liberals are really the same breed of animal. They have just plunked themselves down on opposite sides of the political fence.

RNS cannot control the posters here. It can and DOES control the articles. It is there we see (mostly) the results of people trying to think through issues and propose rational alternatives to methods and policies that exist now and do not work. So just ignore the large number of negative votes, knowing that most of those votes are from people who will blindly oppose something that diverges from their preconceptions (is that the definition of prejudice?), even if that "something" is logical, factual (don't bother me with the facts - I've made up my mind), or contains a new idea worth examining and possibly developing. That's just the way these blog sites work. Believe me, if you read the posters on conservative sites, you'd swear the same non-thinkers are pushing the thumbs buttons over there.
 
 
+28 # Dean 2012-08-01 16:59
Naomi, your article is accurate and very much needed! Please continue to say it!
Thanks.
 
 
+6 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-08-01 17:57
As far as it goes. But consider the post-Revolution policies that take the most extreme measures against any hint of similar challenges. & crazies are not 'a well-regulated milita' - which is what the National Guard is (supposed) to be, anyway.
 
 
+16 # doneasley 2012-08-01 18:02
Quoting LonnyEachus:
... While THE PEOPLE must have a right to bear arms to defend themselves against said government and army... This is VERY CLEARLY what the historical documents and debate say about the second amendment... The PEOPLE have a right to bear arms, BECAUSE the government must have a well-regulated militia... They were extremely concerned that a government with an army would terrorize its citizens... You should do some homework about the history of your country. Your "obvious" interpretation of the second amendment is not what they meant...


I think YOU should "do some homework" yourself, Lonny, re the 2nd Amendment, which was part of the Bill of Rights (1st 10 Amendments) added in 1789 to avoid misconstruction or abuse of powers by the government. Why do we continue this argument? The 2nd Amendment gave the right to citizens to bear arms in "SUPPORT OF THE GOVERNMENT" in case of insurrections and invasions such as the War of 1812. You have to read the powers of Congress in Article 1, Section 8 to flesh out the meaning of the 2nd Amendment - i.e., if you REALLY want to know what it means.
 
 
-11 # Smiley 2012-08-01 18:19
That's not what Jefferson said or thought.
 
 
+1 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-04 10:08
You are wrong. Look up "District of Columbia v. Heller". Even the modern Supreme Court agrees with me on this.

I read my history, and I know my law.
 
 
+3 # mdhome 2012-08-01 20:28
I have some doubt you will come out very well when you are holding an uzzi and the government has tanks, drones, and missiles.
 
 
+1 # Glen 2012-08-02 07:22
Exactly, mdhome.
 
 
0 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:31
G-u-e-r-i-l-l-a w-a-r-f-a-r-e.. . Ever hear of it? Of course you don't take an Uzi and attack a tank. Sheesh. So, just roll over and die when a dictator says do this or i'll have you shot? Vladimir Lenin said, "A man with a gun can control 100 without." Why do you think gun confiscation has preceded so many slaughters of citizens in world history - recent world history. Look at the last 100 years...
 
 
+4 # Duster 2012-08-01 20:59
Lonny, a "militia" is not an army, especially not a standing one. More over, if you bother to read say Jefferson's thoughts regarding a standing army, you would be aware that many of the founding fathers distrusted the way a standing army could be used by a government. It is why there is a Posse Commitatus Act. There is ample historic grounds for such distrust in Europe. Militias aren't the kinds of white supremacist gangs that haunt the backwoods in Idaho either. The people's right to bear arms is more in the tradition of the armed yeomanry of Britain who at one time were required by law to own certain types of arms. The "well regulated militia" was thought by the framers of the Bill of Rights to be a critical defense against tyranny, and against the excesses of a standing army used by a government against its own people the way they so often are - viz Syria, or Putin's Russia, or the events in Tianamen Square, or Burma to list just a few modern examples.

If you doubt this consider the history of the US and look at the Battle of Blaire Mountain. The failure of the federal government to protect everyone equally and the additional failure to abserve or even attempt to inforce Posse Commitatus lead to one of the more tragic 20th C passages in US history.
 
 
0 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-04 10:05
You don't know your history, even your recent history.

Look up "District of Columbia v. Heller"

Your argument is logical, and consistent... and wrong.
 
 
+17 # jwb110 2012-08-01 13:48
Quoting Abigail:
The difficulty is that people ignore the first part of the second amendment, which specifies the need for a well-regulated militia. How this gets twisted to say everyone has a right to guns. A well-regulated militia does not mean anyone should be able to have a gun. But somehow our leaders have a problem bringing up this factor because they are afraid of the power of the NRA.

Up until Harry Truman and the founding of the National Security State the 2nd Amendment had some value but with a full nation on military alert the 2nd Amendment is redundant. The Founders Father knew of the danger of a standing military and so provided for a militia instead.
 
 
+2 # Regina 2012-08-02 09:50
The authors of the Second Amendment also had only muskets in mind. "Self defense" does NOT need military firearms and 100-capacity bullet feeders. Our shoot-em-up culture would be hilarious if it weren't so deadly.
 
 
0 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:16
James Mason (you know - University named after him?), said that everyone save a few government officials constituted the militia. Your notion that it does not, is a new interpretation not of original intent.
 
 
+26 # Barbara K 2012-08-01 12:07
Because it is so easy for a person to get mad at someone or something and get his hands on guns and go on mass shootings. We need to make it more difficult for that to happen.
 
 
-41 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-01 12:29
As logical and "obvious" as this argument is, the government's own statistics prove (as much as statistics can prove anything) that the reason for this is NOT the availability of guns!

The Department of Justice has been keeping statistics on these things for over 50 years. Study after study have been done on those statistics.

In the United States, trying to control the availability of guns DOES NOT WORK.

We've been down that road. It's been done. It's been tried various ways for many decades now. And it doesn't work.

Keep in mind, also: the shootings at Columbine (all all other school shootings in recent times in the U.S.) were ALREADY in "gun-free zones", and in the case of Columbine, in particular (but again typical of such shootings) it was illegal for them to have possessed the guns in the first place.

I know how logical and obvious it sounds. But things are not always as they seem. Firearms restrictions have been tried in the U.S., again and again, and they simply haven't worked. I'm not going to pretend to know why that is so, but we DO know those are the facts.

Just as a passing note: over the last 20 years, per-capita gun ownership in the U.S. has steadily risen, while per-capita crime has steadily decreased. I am NOT claiming cause-and-effec t, but again those are the facts. Even school shootings are LOWER than they were 30 years ago.
 
 
-18 # jcdav 2012-08-01 16:51
I wonder, had Aurora not had laws prohibiting carrying firearms and say 5 or 6 people had been armed and returned fire --would that have stopped him any sooner?
Society MIGHT be a tad more considerate and polite if there were the possibility that any other person might be armed.
I'm not recommending looser gun ownership--just RESPONSIBLE gun ownership.
 
 
+14 # God Dont Like Ugly 2012-08-01 17:55
I believe jcdav, that the answer to your question is probably not.

The shooter was reportedly wearing a bulletproof vest plus various protective headgear, making a disabling shot extremely difficult, even for an expert marksperson.

One must also take into account less than optimal lighting, and panicked persons attempting to flee who could have inadvertently crossed the lines of fire.

We all would like to be, or hope for, the hero in the white hat, and I do not mean to disrespect your good intentions in any way.

But, the probabilities of reality do not favor a good outcome in this particular situation by the addition of more bullets.
 
 
0 # LonnyEachus 2012-08-04 10:06
"Reportedly" is the correct word. Despite many reports to the contrary, he was not wearing "body armor". He was merely wearing military-style clothing.
 
 
+5 # mdhome 2012-08-01 20:36
There were at least two people with loaded guns at the Gabby Giffords shooting, they did not stop the carnage, it was in daylight, not a dark theater and they said they did not feel they had a chance for a clear shot. It's easier to think what you would like to think that to actually do it.
 
 
+15 # angelfish 2012-08-01 12:39
WHY? Because ANYONE can buy a gun in this Country with, almost, NO questions asked!
 
 
-17 # sapereaudeprime 2012-08-01 12:43
When the second Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights, every able-bodied free male over 18 was required by law to have in his home: a firearm, ammunition, and an edged fighting weapon. Failure to obey this law was punishable by fine and ostracism. However, every county seat had a public whipping post and gallows, and everyone over the age of 4 or 5 had seen a felon whipped or hanged, and knew better than to tempt a jury. There was no plea of insanity.
That said, given what the right wing of the Republican Party has been braying for the past 4 years, only a real fool would choose to be unarmed. We are very likely headed for a class war, and pacifism facilitates natural selection. Make your choice.
 
 
+6 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-08-01 17:59
& farmers were fined for not growing hemp, too. Now, however....
 
 
+3 # mdhome 2012-08-01 20:38
And they were expected to become the army if the need arose, because the gov did not have a standing army.
 
 
-46 # MidwestTom 2012-08-01 12:44
Ine un-emphasized fact in the Colorado shootings, Holmes had recently taken a Muslim name for himself.
 
 
+2 # MJnevetS 2012-08-03 06:17
Quoting MidwestTom:
un-emphasized fact in the Colorado shootings, Holmes had recently taken a Muslim name for himself.
Midwest Tom, turn your head back and forth very quickly, your colon has an itch. It is this type of ignorance that has this country so divided. NO, he DID NOT take a Muslim name. There is a faked video on YouTube which has been identified as false by 9 News in Colorado, claiming that the shooter was 'Mohammed Alam'. There was also a report that he was a Tea Party member on ABC news (which was also later redacted/recant ed). He was just a bat$h!t crazy kid with LOTS of unregulated weaponry and ammo. Thank you NRA (P.S. I am a gun-owner, I have a carry permit AND I went through a screening process to get it); there should be a Federal/nationw ide standard before one could legally own a gun, with SEVERE penalties (JAIL) for any violations. The NRA and their puppet politicians don't want reasonable regulations, which would save lives. You have to show a valid driver's license to buy tobacco, but in many states, even that is unnecessary to buy weapons and/or ammo (especially on the secondary market).
 
 
+1 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:37
Name one state where you do NOT have to show ID AND get a background check first to buy a gun? Ammo, of course, if you have a gun it is assumed you already got a PERMIT with proper ID.
 
 
+17 # TomDegan 2012-08-01 12:55
"Hey Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand?"

-Jimi Hendrix

Honestly, were you surprised by what happened two weeks ago in Aurora, Colorado? I wasn't. What shocked me more than anything was my reaction to the carnage:

"Oh, so it happened again, huh?"

Colorado dreaming on such a nasty day. So help me, I didn't even blink when I heard the news. Ho hum.

Charles Manson; Ted Bundy, Timothy McVeigh; David Berkowitz; Klebold and Harris....Add James Holmes' portrait to the Hall of Infamy's gallery.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
 
 
-35 # jimattrell 2012-08-01 12:57
If you study Switzerland, they train young kids and then issue them a gun so that every single adult is armed. The result is one of the lowest crime rates in the world. The problem in America is not firearms, it's that not enough of us are trained and armed.
 
 
-12 # jcdav 2012-08-01 16:54
I agree- expecting to shoot fish in a barrel and not be shot at makes mass murder too easy.
 
 
0 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:38
Again, a homogynous society, with Centuries old ties and values.
 
 
0 # tref 2012-08-06 07:55
That’s true, Noni, but the American Dream isn’t just about getting a house. It includes the belief that people from anywhere following any culture or religion can come here just because they want freedom and are willing to work for it. They can become Americans. The divisiveness that arises from hanging onto the old country is most apparent amongst first generation immigrants. They speak their native language; they retain their political beliefs and fears, their religions, pretty much everything. A hundred years ago Ellis Island was full of people who couldn’t speak English and today, their great grandchildren living here don’t speak the old tongue.

Look at the Amish. They are your "homogynous (sic) society". They inculcate their children in the old ways and then turn them loose for rumspringa, totally unprepared, to face modern day America. Of course those poor kids go back home where they feel safe and loved. Like all ghettos, their children are isolated, protected from different cultures and ideas. They are pressured to “stay with their own” and avoid sharing with “outsiders”.

America is the first (still only?) country in history that was born of ideas, not warfare or geographic accident or one religion or one race. The idea that we must hold onto and defend against all comers our old country traditions is truly anti-American. It is the SHARING of our cultures that give us our strength and hope to be one people.
 
 
-38 # MidwestTom 2012-08-01 13:00
By the count of 20 per year one must be including the domestic violence cases involving male/female disputes and the killings within family units. If we look at If we look at fort Hood and now Colorado, we see Muslims wanting kill non-muslim. In the West Virginia case last year I do not believe a motive has appeared. WWe will never stop the domestic violence, and as someone who travels to Nigeria, the violence against non-Muslims will only increase as their numbers increase here.
 
 
0 # MJnevetS 2012-08-03 06:24
Quoting MidwestTom:
If we look at... Colorado, we see Muslims wanting kill non-muslim
Tom, STOP! This has NOTHING to do with Muslims! You have finally torn the last (extremely thin) veil away and revealed yourself as the racist, bigot you are. Let me guess, "President Obama is a muslim trying to spread Sharia law", "9-11 was carried out by Iraqi agents" "the American civil war was started by a Muslim uprising" ENOUGH ALREADY!
 
 
+29 # fredboy 2012-08-01 13:01
One question yet to be addressed: What is the impact of 12 years of fear and hatred on the nation's -- the people's -- psyche? Add this to the gun mix. Sounds like a horror movie, doesn't it?
 
 
+18 # Majikman 2012-08-01 13:56
Good point, fredboy, as we can see on this site...fear and hatred of the "other" is thriving.
 
 
-24 # Dumbledorf 2012-08-01 13:05
TO RE-QUOTE: "By some estimates, there are more than 20 mass shootings per year in the United States." How in the world do you "estimate" a mass shooting???? Either there is a mass shooting or there isn't a mass shooting. Please,stop playing words games to manipulate us. Enough is enough! You don't know what-the- heck you are writing about and you should be honest enough to admit that you don't know what you are writing about. You obviously want total gun confiscation and that is clearly your agenda. ADMIT IT! You want a totalitarian police state and we're just about there now. You have let them take away our economy, our jobs,our sons and daughters to murder brown people in the middle east, and our dignity with some of the most henious crimes against citizens by police. Gun confiscation isn't going to help anyone at this point,except the elite; This will simply begin a second civil war!
 
 
+19 # angelfish 2012-08-01 14:48
Dumbledorf, the only arms they NEED to take away are Assault weapons. Keep your hunting rifles and home security handguns
, but, NOBODY needs and AK-47 or a Bazooka! Seriously?
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-03 21:32
The gun grabbers don't agree with you. They want to take all guns. They keep on citing Japan as their ideal. In Japan no one is permitted to own a gun.
 
 
+9 # Bodiotoo 2012-08-01 13:12
Gun education, training and permits licensing could be a requirement to all that "want" to own guns, and then that may satisfy the ambiguous "well regulated portion of the 2nd amendment...
like people who do not own a car but have taken the time to get their license...so we have "well-regulated " highways...
The under lying reason Naomi hits on is very real...this nation was born in rebellion...doe s anyone want a Syria here...with government shelling our own cities.
 
 
+1 # Regina 2012-08-02 10:01
"This nation was born in rebellion..." Isn't it time this nation grew up, to responsible adulthood???
 
 
0 # Bodiotoo 2012-08-02 17:57
I agree...we have way too much military...we have friends to the north, and to the south...and most of the terrain is harsh...tough to cross, and two oceans...it is not like we share this continent with a ton of belligerents...
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-03 21:35
We have friends to the south? Mexico thinks it owns most of the southwestern USA.
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-03 21:33
Are you saying that if the US people give up their firearms then it will be less likely the government will oppress them?

I think the opposite would be true.
 
 
+13 # sapereaudeprime 2012-08-01 13:28
A militia is in no way a standing army. The intention of the founding fathers was to avoid keeping a large standing army in the manner of European kingdoms, and the concept of the militia had been in English culture since before their remarkable performance with longbows at Agincourt, in 1415--it dates back to the Anglo-Saxon "Fyrd." The purpose of the militia was to defend against local attack, and to be available to go further afield when needed as an auxiliary to the normal army, which, when the militia was conceived, was feudal lords and their retainers, who held their fiefs at the King's pleasure (in theory, anyway) and cuould be called on by the king to marshal in armor to defend the kingdom.
 
 
+10 # Spinoza 2012-08-01 13:28
Legal consideration: The right to bear arms of the Second Amendment of the US Constitution is founded upon a premise (the existence of a citizens' militia) that has been abolished a long time ago. No premise, no consequence. It would be as if the Constitution had another amendment reading: "Since citizens need horses as a means of transport, no regulation barring keeping them in private homes shall be introduced".

Political consideration: I am astonished at the fact that in the US even radical thinkers such as Naomi Wolf seem to think that weapons in the hands of private citizens are a guarantee against tyranny. This is so incredibly tied to very extreme American ideology - the ideology reflected in Western movies - that it becomes almost incomprehensibl e to Europeans, including libertarian, radical Europeans. In Europe we do not believe that having a gun at home guarantees against dictatorship. Unless, of course, one does not envisage civil war. And even in that case, real weapons come from somewhere else (see Syria).
Does anyone believe that Black Panthers, Weathermen or the Arian Nation (with their option for armed resistance) can be related to the cause of democracy in the US?
 
 
0 # shraeve 2012-08-03 21:49
The Black Panthers, the Weather Underground, and the various Aryan groups never had much popular support. They were seen as a bunch of fringe nutcases.

There can be no guarantee against tyranny. Life has no guarantees except ultimate death. But weapons in the hands of private citizens help.

Since you seem to love Europe so much I will give you two quick examples besides Switzerland.

The Allies in WWII did not drop large numbers of weapons to the French Maquis until late in the war. The maquisards relied in the beginning mainly on weapons that private French citizens owned for sporting purposes and self-defense. A little later the maquisards were able to kill some Germans and liberate their weapons, such as the MP-40, but they needed their own weapons to kill those Germans in the first place.

Finland was attacked by the USSR in 1939. Finland was a tiny, underpopulated country of a few million people. But those people had firearms. The Finns inflicted terrible casualties upon the Red army, effectively crippling it and making Hitler's Operation Barbarossa much easier.
 
 
+4 # Gnome de Pluehm 2012-08-01 13:34
@jimattrell:

Comparison with Switzerland is misleading. It is not that they train and issue a gun and ammunition to every male and thus
have zero mass murders. They have a single culture and the lack of tensions that multiculturalis m guarantees. You didn't say this exactly, but sort of implied it and that argument was made explicitly two days ago on another site.
 
 
+9 # Billy Bob 2012-08-01 17:05
Switzerland has 5 (that's FIVE) NATIONAL LANGUAGES.

It seems hard for most Americans to have a clue what's going on outside our borders.
 
 
+5 # Regina 2012-08-02 10:07
Switzerland is not single-cultured . There is no Swiss language and thus no body of Swiss literature, etc. They speak French, German, Italian, or Romanche, depending on location within its borders, and their legislature operates in three of those four. They remained neutral in both World Wars. The Swiss are much smarter and more civilized than Americans will ever become.
 
 
+2 # shraeve 2012-08-02 13:43
Yes. Switzerland is a great country. I would move there if I could.
 
 
+2 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:45
You would need a Swiss sponsor... They are a sovereign nation that decides if they want you or not. A lesson we need to relearn.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-03 21:54
I will kiss as much a$$ as I need to. I will brush up on my French and learn German (and Italian and Romansh, if I need to). I am fed up with this f**ked up place.
 
 
+1 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:44
Yes, there are multiple dialects of German, French, and Italian, but they ARE a homogynous society with a LONG COMMON HISTORY and a LONG TIME of shared values. I have friends there and have visited there.
 
 
+1 # spritzler 2012-08-01 13:37
Please read "Gun Control?" by myself, online at http://newdemocracyworld.org/culture/guns.html for discussion about what should be talked about in connection with firearm homicide but what the pundits on BOTH sides of the gun control issue do not talk about.

John Spritzler
spritzler@comcast.net
 
 
+19 # jky1291 2012-08-01 13:38
Folks, we are totally misinterpreting the point of the article. Yes, guns in the hands of the mentally unstable can certainly create serious problems. But, the whole point is that our priority is misplaced on gun control, instead of appropriate and adequate mental health diagnosis and treatment. The number of incidents would not be of major concern if we enacted Expanded and Improved Medicare For All single payer health care financing to eliminate any reason for someone needing diagnosis and treatment failing to receive the help they need. Where is our concern and outrage that 45,000 people die every year in this the richest nation in the history of the world for lack of health insurance. We are rightfully outraged at the death of a dozen people, but are we willing to require our legislators to immediately implement the solution, that is so obvious that every other civilized industrialized country is enjoying, in order to prevent such incidents? If one is not willing to demand the solution from the best government money can buy, one cannot credibly hold inanimate objects responsible for our failure to fulfill our civic duties. Besides the enormous benefits of a superior healthcare financing system in providing a healthy and productive population, the economic and employment benefits would level the playing field with our more competitive global partners. How many lives would $400,000,000,00 0.00 a year spent on actual healthcare, instead of administration save?
 
 
+6 # Acupuncher 2012-08-01 13:57
I can Tell You Why In FourWords... Big Pharma's phycotropic Drugs... I Probably did Not Spell That Correctly, But You Know What I Mean...
 
 
+8 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-08-01 14:06
The quote, "guns don't kill people, people do" is so totally irrevelant. The logic is that of a child. That person who wants to kill, how difficult is it to access a gun? So people who get a gun will and do kill. I've often thought about a country which has been at war for the last ten years. What kind of an example does the war mentality set for the public. A member of the public who may have serious psychological problems may, could say, "hell, I'll just act like the U.S. military. If I want something, I'll get it the same way the military does."
 
 
+21 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-08-01 14:19
We in America have something else to be proud of. Our big ego. We say "we are the richest country in the world." Not so fast. Canada has recently surpassed the U.S. in average net worth per household. One reason they may have a higher average net worth is because fewer, if any of their citizens have to declare bankruptcy or die because they DO have universal insurance coverage. Just maybe their citizens have adequate treatment for mental illness-therefo re less killing with guns. What? A socialistic country, Canada, has a higher net worth than the U.S.? Canada, "take that you capitalists!"
 
 
-2 # Noni77 2012-08-03 11:50
Its called "natural resources" and the Canadians are developing them (GASP!), unlike the head in the sand direction this administration has taken. Take note of the economic boom in North Dakota for the same reason. That is because this idiot administration could NOT stop the development of PRIVATE land there. If not for Obama, we could be on the path to properity too. But as a Socialist he of course is in favor of slaughtering the goose that lays the golden eggs.
 
 
-1 # jky1291 2012-08-03 13:19
The environmental devastation and economic damage from developing many of these natural resources far exceeds any benefit to any of humanity, other than the pillaging 1% who have already moved their money out of the country and will follow it when they have rendered this nation completely uninhabitable for the rest of us. With thick oil tar sands sludge pumped at high pressure, think BP oil spill times 1000 sending toxic fumes over the entire eastern half of the country. Did anyone other than the 1% gain any benefit from the well resulting in the BP oil spill?
 
 
0 # tref 2012-08-06 08:16
Come on Noni - Obama didn't start this crap. We've been STOPPING development of natural resources for generations instead of using our vaunted science and technology to find cleaner ways to recover them.
 
 
+13 # Martha Luehrmann 2012-08-01 14:29
"Before being allowed to purchase a gun, a potential gun owner must purchase insurance to cover property damage and liability for personal injury. The dollar amount of the insurance required would increase with every gun and ammunition magazine purchased. The greater the capacity of the ammunition magazine and the faster the rate of fire of the gun, the higher the insurance premium. I have no idea how much the insurance would cost, but it would act as a deterrent to some potential gun owners. Owning a gun without the proper insurance would be a crime, punished more severely than driving a car without insurance."

What a WONDERFUL idea! My guess is that the insurance would be prohibitive for many. But some, including drug pushers, would have the money to burn. James Holmes was clearly not hurting for money, either.
 
 
+14 # Martha Luehrmann 2012-08-01 14:31
The right of the people to bear arms is in the constitution. But historically speaking, wouldn't that be limited to single-shot muskets?
 
 
+12 # Pwarren 2012-08-01 15:02
While you all argue over and over and over, this nation now has a militarized police force complete with drones and sound cannons etc, - the populace is armed with everything every Joeblow can afford - soooooo what happens now - we have shoot outs between the two.
Personally I think it is a set up - most certainly since the advant of Homeland Security.
The uber wealthy will just sit there is splendor and watch the flat screen while the gladiators kill one another. Cheap amusment for those darling people and there kiddies.
They will probably bet on who wins - the blue shirts or the gun club nuts.
 
 
+6 # corals33 2012-08-01 15:02
Miss Wolf should know that America was founded on mass killing and stop trying to use the "surprise,surpr ise" factor. The magician's wand was made from WOOD of the HOLLY tree and even they cannot wave THE WILD WEST away. War and greed are the twin towers of a higher and more sophisticated society as is proved and re-enforced every god-damned day.
 
 
+1 # tref 2012-08-06 08:21
No. America was FOUNDED on ideas. Greedy robber barons committed the atrocities of which you speak. Do not confuse philosphies with those who would manipulate those ideas to achieve their own selfish goals.
 
 
+6 # shnarg 2012-08-01 16:42
In Virginia Tech, the Gifford shooting and now Aurora we have a certified dangerous nut under the care of a psychiatrist able to buy guns legally. Even though it's illegal these nuts were able to pass a background check because someone didn't do their legal duty to report them. Those responsible should be prosecuted as accessory's before the fact. Then we might get some compliance.

In Columbine an adult bought one of the guns used and the rest were stolen from family members. Even though the gun buyer and the relatives who didn't secure their guns were guilty of crimes allowing these kids to get guns, no one was prosecuted. We have good, reasonable gun laws now let's get some compliance with what we have rather than making new laws.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2012-08-01 19:22
So anyone who sees a psychiatrist should get reported to the government and get their name on a government list? That sounds like tyranny to me.

I would rather take a chance on getting shot.
 
 
+5 # dengster 2012-08-01 17:07
This article uses sensational language such as "asylum" and the "homicidally insane" which are throwbacks to the 19th and 20th century abuse of people with mental illness. The author assumes that drugs will take care of the problem when even the drug companies warn that SSRI's may actually cause violence against oneself. This topic needs to be addressed by people who take the time to analyze the details of these shootings. This was not even done after the Virginia Tech tragedy which resulted in little REAL change in the mental health system due to budget cuts. We need to realize that these shooters don't start out with extreme thoughts and emotions and can be our sons, brothers, neighbors, friends etc. They then slide into states in which they no longer can distinguish reality from fantasy and no longer have the ability to either care or comprehend the consequences of their actions. The young man in Colorado was nearly a genius who had completed college and entered a Ph.D. program. The shooter in Virginia graduated from high school in the richest county in America and entered Virginia Tech. I doubt whether they aspired to be "homicidal maniacs" and could never have passed the entrance exams with the disordered thinking they later exhibited. We need to exam how young men slip into such extreme states and how we as a society can quit presenting such graphic violence and combat weapons to boys that can so easily move from fantasy to reality.
 
 
+9 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-08-01 17:55
I'm of the humble opinion that most of our violent shootings are due to a country that is constantly @ war. We've been (not me) teaching our citizens that a "good" way to get what you want or to "settle" matters is to express it by violence. I am so sorry for our young men and women who return "home" after a duty of violence in the military in a foreign country and then are exposed to more viloence. Gore Vidal once said, "America is dull." Which is another way of saying this country is not cultured. The Republicans who say this country is "exceptional" usually have their head up their "someplace."
 
 
-2 # Smiley 2012-08-01 18:25
I have read that the suspected shooter is the son of one of the primary whistle blowers who exposed the LIBOR rip off. Can someone confirm this? If it's true and not an amazing coincidence, what we have here is not another crazy person with a gun.
 
 
+1 # Tigre1 2012-08-01 20:17
Dear Friends and a few Dummies, also dear fellow Americans...
YOU never read THIS before: the 2nd amendment clearly states that 'because of potential militia duties required' etc, right?

This obviously has a correlate of responsibility: it means that EVERY GUN OWNER is subject to call up for drill meetings, for appropriate duty, etc.

Miss a meeting,if you have a gun(!)YOU ARE AWOL. Read the 2nd again.

In private correspondence, Wm.F.Buckley
admitted this to be true.

Everybody just grow up, and if the government ever gets the cojones, when THEY call you for drill, you dmn better be there.

Or get rid of the guns you no longer can justify.
I began shooting at age four. Of course I could read at 2.
Priorities!!!
 
 
0 # Dumbledorf 2012-08-02 07:21
You are wrong, wrong, wrong!
"....the 2nd amendment clearly states that 'because of potential militia duties required' etc, right?"
Here's what the 2nd amendment says:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Now for the CORRECT meaning:
"Prior to the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller,1 the courts had yet to definitively state what right the Second Amendment protected. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, were (1) an "individual rights" approach, whereby the Amendment protected individuals' rights to firearm ownership, possession, and transportation; and (2) a "states' rights" approach, under which the Amendment only protected the right to keep and bear arms in connection with organized state militia units.2 Moreover, it was generally believed that the Amendment was only a bar to federal action, not to state or municipal restraints.3

However, the Supreme Court has now definitively held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that weapon for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Moreover, this right applies not just to the federal government, but to states and municipalities as well."
District of Columbia v. Heller
 
 
+2 # Regina 2012-08-02 10:13
The Supreme Court also gave us their Citizens United decision that unidentified corporations could buy our elections. They may be Supreme, but that doesn't guarantee wisdom.
 
 
+1 # Duster 2012-08-01 21:04
Naomi, it might be well to look closewr to home. How is it that assaults and the use of guns is actually increasing in Britain, a nation with some of the most draconian laws against self defense in the world? You might want to ask how a mad man could acquire a completely illegal weapon in the UK along with ammunition and proceed to do mass murder there.
 
 
+1 # Profpop 2012-08-02 00:14
Stop arguing about the fine points of the law and increase gun controls!
If keys were illegal it would be a lot harder to open locks!
Simples!
 
 
+1 # jwarndt 2012-08-02 05:45
Naomi, you're ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room. The rise in mass homicide has closely paralled the rise in the use of psychiatric drugs by Americans. Michael Moore is the only journalist on the Left who has had the courage to call the marketing of those toxins a crime. If you want a better picture of what's fueling the epidemic of mass homicides around the country, you ought to go to ssristories DOT com and look at the jaw droppingly long list of mass shootings committed by people taking prescription antidepressants , or go to YouTube and type in keywords "Chemuical Mayhem."
 
 
+1 # Kathymoi 2012-08-02 13:40
We need both gun control and health care, like most sane nations. This would help edge our country toward being a sane nation.
 
 
+3 # shraeve 2012-08-02 16:55
Ms. Wolf pointed out that with 5% of the world's population the USA has between one third and one half of the world's privately-owned firearms. What she failed to mention is that the murder rate in the USA is far from the world's highest. The murder rate in the USA is much smaller than that of countries like Honduras or Venezuela, where firearms are strictly controlled.
 
 
+2 # shraeve 2012-08-02 20:17
Someone in China just murdered nine people with a knife. In Chicago in 1966 one person murdered eight student nurses by stabbing and strangulation. Several years ago in Japan one person murdered eight students with a knife.

You don't need a firearm to do a mass murder.
 
 
+2 # Glen 2012-08-03 15:11
You are correct, shraeve, but these types of killings are are rarely published and analyzed so much as the flamboyant killings as in Aurora. Weapons can be learned and do not have to be guns.
 
 
+1 # ShamanX 2012-08-03 07:24
Dear Naiomi... I would respectfully disagree with this articles assumptions about gun-control laws. A 'War on Guns would serve to disarm the wrong population segment (law abiding citizens) and create a violent black market for the criminals that would use them anyway. We see this everywhere the government tries to restrict liberty and free markets.

Without intending to seem cold, gun deaths from high-profile mass shootings are but a fraction of gun related homicides. I would suggest that the 'War on Drugs' is far and away a greater cause of gun violence in this country and abroad and if as a nation we want to reduce this type of violence, we should focus our efforts on ending that travesty of greed-driven government repression.

Grassroots sentiment for ending the War on Drugs is already much higher in America and so is legislative momentum. If drugs were legalized and our Government showed more respect for its citizens ability to choose in their own interests gun-violence would drop to a fraction of its current levels.

Then we would be free to address the root causes of mass shootings which is NOT an over abundance of freedom relative to guns.
 

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