Rich writes: "If we are going to start to find our way out of gun-worship, it's going to take many leaders over time to affect that change, just as in, say, the abolitionists' movement or any other major political or social movement that changed our country and helped it grow up."
Is america ready to give up its worship of guns? (photo: NY Magazine)
FOCUS: Guns Are America's Other Original Sin
19 December 12
New York Magazine writer-at-large Frank Rich talks with editor-in-chief Adam Moss about the Newtown tragedy, its political fallout, and our centuries-long worship of the gun.
dam Lanza's mother, Nancy, was among the 45 percent (!) of Americans that have guns in their homes. So I'm not going to ask you about gun control here; obviously you're for much stricter regulation, as most of your readers are. I want to know your thoughts about the culture of guns in America, and particularly in the last decade, during which public support for gun control has tumbled even as the incidence of mass rampages like Newtown increases, and the American people just get more enamored of their guns. Please try to help me understand why.
The first step on the long path to curing a deep illness in a society is to diagnose it properly and own up to it. We must acknowledge that guns and violence are not some new "modern" problem subject to a quick fix. We must recognize that they have always been intrinsic to the very idea of America and "freedom" - enshrined in our Constitution's Second Amendment (however one chooses to read it), romanticized in our glorification of both our revolutionary and frontier past, and a staple of our popular culture not just in this era but every era: from James Fenimore Cooper's The Deerslayer and Buffalo Bill's Wild West shows through The Birth of a Nation, Zane Grey, Stagecoach and The Wild Bunch, gangster movies and gangsta rap, Bonnie and Clyde and Zero Dark Thirty, The Untouchables and The Sopranos. As Garry Wills wrote over the weekend, in America, the gun is a god, and like most gods, it "cannot be questioned." And it has rarely been questioned over the course of our history except by the outnumbered and outgunned gun-control advocates who remain largely on the margins of American political power.
So that's the size of the problem. There's only one other malady that was so deeply embedded into the country's DNA at birth: slavery. We know how long it took us to shake those shackles. And so in a country with some 300 million firearms (for a population of some 311 million people, many of them children), we must recognize that overthrowing America's gun-worship is not a project that will be cured in a legislative session; it's a struggle that's going to take decades. Which doesn't mean that we shouldn't start right now - assuming we actually want to do so once the Newtown coverage has faded with the holidays.
There has been much talk in the last few days about the violence of our popular culture, the rise in point-and-shoot video games, and the easy brutality you see in movies and television. Just how relevant is a violent "play" culture in tragedies like this? And inevitable follow-up: Is it worth censoring the culture for public safety?
Well, we now know that Adam Lanza played the video game Dance Dance Revolution at the local mall. Maybe it'll turn out that he watched The Matrix - which was blamed for inspiring the killers in the Columbine massacre, at least until journalist Dave Cullen debunked that media myth. Even if you are certain that violent entertainment and video games trigger violence in crazy people - a debatable proposition empirically - and even if you believe there should be First Amendment abridgments to regulate cultural violence, who should we put in charge of censoring the culture in a way that might be sane and effective? Congress? The entertainment industry? The Simpson-Bowles commission? Talking heads who were advocating such censorship (though they avoided the word) over the weekend, led by the forgotten-but-not-quite-gone Joe Lieberman, should be forced to take the next step and explain exactly how this would work in practice. On ABC's This Week yesterday, one proponent, writer Joe Klein, did have an action plan: "What we need to do in this society is treat people who create violent movies and violent video games with the same degree of respect that we accord pornographers. They need to be shunned." Klein works for Time, a corporate sibling of Warner Bros. (The Dark Knight Rises), Warner Home Video-Games (Spy Hunter), and HBO (Boardwalk Empire). Perhaps he is confronting the pornographers in their executive suites at the Time Warner Center or Burbank even as we speak.
I'm sure you read the harrowing essay by Liza Long that made its way on the web over the weekend describing having a son with high intelligence, mental troubles, and a seething capacity for violence. Most of these shooters are young male loners with high IQs. Why is this profile so amazingly consistent? I don't know what course of action it could possibly prompt, but the persistence of this Travis Bickle-like figure in these tragedies just stuns me.
I greatly identified with Liza Long. In my adolescence and teen years, I grew up with a step-sibling of roughly my same age (we shared a household, though not biological parents) who fit this profile. Even at the time - the sixties, when these incidents weren't quite so numerous - my mother, my other siblings, and I felt a chill every time there was a news bulletin about a deranged young gunman, fearing that our own intelligent, seething loner might be the culprit. He received some of the better mental-health treatment available at the time, but, as Long describes her own plight, there was only so much that could be done. What does it say that some four decades later, we've made so little progress in both identifying and treating these cases? The persistence stuns me, too.
What are you wanting from Barack Obama right now? He can take certain actions by executive order, and he can enforce existing laws more strenuously - but beyond that, what should he be doing? There's not much constituency for gun control among chicken-shitted members of Congress and gun-loving Americans.
Guns - like another looming disaster, climate change - were off the table in the election for the Democrats, for the usual cynical political reasons. (Romney, of course, disdained gun regulation.) Obama has hardly been a leader on this issue over the past eight years. That's inexcusable, but we do have to fear that he is literally taking his own life into his hands by venturing into this hot political area. The utterly groundless conspiracy theories of the angry far-right that he wants to "take away our guns" have been a staple of the rise of our first African-American president. "Don't retreat, reload!" was the Sarah Palin political battle cry, at least until Gabby Giffords was shot. On Sunday night, the sports site Deadspin found an outpouring of unexpurgated racist rage on Twitter aimed at a black president (the word used was not black) who had the audacity to interrupt the Patriots-49ers game to address the mourning community of Newtown.
Obama can issue executive orders, call for better enforcement of existing laws, etc., but he really hit the bigger point in his Sunday address: "We'll have to change." Now, in reality, people don't change - or change overnight. If we are going to start to find our way out of gun-worship, it's going to take many leaders over time to affect that change, just as in, say, the abolitionists' movement or any other major political or social movement that changed our country and helped it grow up.
David Gregory on Meet the Press: "We reached out to all 31 pro-gun-rights senators in the new Congress to invite them on the program to share their views on the subject this morning. We had no takers." Have at them.
They'll stay on the down-low through the holidays, hoping that the coast will be clear and that the Sunday shows will return to the good old "fiscal cliff." Even so, we are seeing the conservative establishment's talking points emerge. Both George Will and The Wall Street Journal editorial board are citing the massacre last year of 69 mostly teenage victims in Norway, with its tight gun restrictions, as proof that gun regulations can't work. John R. Lott, Jr., a social scientist whose works include the 1998 More Guns, Less Crime, remains the right's go-to intellectual godfather in making the case that if more Americans carry concealed weapons, there will be less crime.
On that same morning, Michael Bloomberg said that the power of the NRA is a myth, that commentators and politicians vastly inflate its influence. You agree?
Political fear is in the eye of the beholder, and the NRA, like Grover Norquist and the Family Research Council, remains a perceived superpower on the right, whatever the reality. Bloomberg bases his statement on a very limited sample: He gave money to seven congressional candidates running against pro-NRA types in this election, and four of them won. Good for him. But a lame-duck New York City mayor may be inflating his own influence (as well as that of the president, who he seems to think can fix this in his second term). David Brooks argued that Bloomberg may actually be a liability "as the spokesperson for the gun law movement" because he won't earn the respect from "rural and Red America" that's needed to affect change. (Translation: He's an East Coast Jew.) Brooks may have a point.
Now what? Does anything change, or will this blow over like these horrors always do? Could twenty dead children somehow make a difference?
I don't know. Just because someone says we've reached a "tipping point" every 30 seconds on cable news doesn't mean we've reached one. There's a lot of piety on display now from the press and some politicians. Liberal pundits and editorialists are rolling out the same arguments they always do after one of these horrors (and as I certainly have done in the past). They are (in my view) irrefutable arguments, well stated, and it makes us feel good to repeat them to an audience that already agrees with us. But there's no reason to believe that pounding our fists on the table will get any more action now than in the past. In the non-liberal precincts of Fox News, a writer for Fortune, Nina Easton, called for "a commission, an urgent commission." Bill Kristol wants "hearings ... serious hearings." All very urgent and serious! This morning, Joe Scarborough, who had the highest possible rating from the NRA when he actually could affect legislation in Congress, announced on MSNBC that he had finally seen the light on guns (even as he spun a false equivalency between gun lobbyists and the purveyors of Hollywood violence). Better late than never - and by late, I mean after Tuscon, Aurora, Virginia Tech, and all the others. I found his long sermon almost as moving as the tearful mea culpa delivered by that sobbing pair of Australian D.J.'s after the nurse in Kate Middleton's hospital committed suicide. But Scarborough did make one telling admission: that he might have been affected by this massacre more than others in part because it was so close (literally) to his home.
That proximity to the media hub of New York has certainly facilitated the rush of news media stars to the scene of the crime, heightening the sense that maybe this time is different and change will follow. Unfortunately, not all of them are there to report the news or explore the issues it raises. Too many are sob sisters (male and female) exploiting the tragedy as an opportunity to prove to the audience how empathic they are with the victims - a particularly tasteless form of show-business self-aggrandizement. The treacly background music in the television coverage is also offensive: Newtown isn't a Lifetime movie or a human-interest Olympics feature.
So let's see what happens when the circus folds its tent and we are back in the bitter winds of January, redirecting our attention to the Inauguration and the Super Bowl. By then, we may have a better idea as to whether this is actually a tipping point in the history of our enslavement to the gun culture, or whether it's just another chapter in the modern history of America bingeing 24/7 on the pornography of other families' grief, declaring "closure," and then moving on.
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1) it is a cultural problem and parents will have to start by not giving toy guns to little kiddies, Hollywood needs to be be toned down, the Pentagon should not be a war games collaborator with Hollywood, There needs to be an anti-violence campaign for at least two generations;
2) remove weapons of all types from the population - as in many demobilization programs - buy them back; prohibit auto-matic and semi-automatic weapons, and also highly destructive bullets for all weapons.
3) National gun safety program - locking in safes, not cabinets with glass fronts.
4) Where by a well regulated militia... all gun owners should be members of official militias in order to own a gun - mandatory monthly training. No attendance, no weapon.
5) Mental health programs have been poor in the country, and one would assume that a massacre was the sign of lunacy, Mental health issues in a family need to be taken into consideration when granting permits/registration.
There needs to be a change in culture - that is a tough chore that simple legislation will not address.
That ALL schools are required to have a guard booth at the doors equipped with metal detectors and x-ray machines like any other public building. If we can splurge trillions on war overseas, we can spend some money at home to protect the kids. You either have an appointment and can pass through the metal detector, or you don't gain entrance to the school. High School kids put all metal into their back packs and that gets screened as they pass quickly through a puffing detector. Any kid who sets off the metal detector more than three times get suspended and then has to go through mental health screening.
when i went to school (the dark ages, i know) the doors were open and anyone walked in and out, no metal detectors. whatever security there might have been didn't make any impression on me.
no one was killed. we are going in the wrong direction if we have to turn schools into armed fortresses, we are really doomed
Turning the country into a huge prison system, though, is not the answer.
The best of what you suggest is the education aspects, just as with no smoking and seat belts. What would be the point of a militia, though? How much family and community regulation also tears down rights and freedoms?
WestWinds adds a #6, which is tantamount to a prison type scenario that punishes mostly students and generates rebellion and resentment and detracts from learning. Anybody walking through that school door with a serious weapon is not going to give a shit about xrays and getting suspended from school.
If you also consider that racial bigotry integral to slavery has never died (as cited in this article), the resistance to change in our culture for this other disgraceful American institution is surely equally impossible.
Likewise, our nation's love affair with guns may in fact not change BUT it can if WE the people over and over and over again will it so. Just because change is difficult does not mean we should not attempt it.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony NEVER saw women get the vote BUT women did. We think these changes just presto occurred. No they did not. It takes work but it can be done incrementally in steps. Overnight? No. Years, YES. What we do may not help BUT we MUST at least try something!
The Second Amendment is Not a right, it is a privilege that needs to change.
The people who benefit from the lies are right-wing Republicans. They probably won't let us do anything sensible, such as close the gun show loophole and limit the number of bullets in a clip.
Someday we may have a truly civil population where every member possess the degree of self understanding and self-control to make their possession of weapons of lethal fire power a safe possibility. Of course why would such a population then even want guns? Not everyone wants to hunt for sport or needs to kill animals for sustenance—yet.
Other civilized countries, in this as in other matters, seem to be way ahead of us. Most other advanced countries agree: people and guns do not mix.
Peace!
Bob Boldt
Because they are ruled by their lower brains.
But again - it is distinctly human.
Second we need to be far more present with and observant of our own internal states as well as aware of the conditions in the environment around us. In aviation there is a period following the onset of oxygen deprivation called “the time of useful consciousness” in which the pilot is trained to recognize the symptoms and can act to save himself and the plane before loosing consciousness. Why can’t we have a “time of useful consciousness” in which we are able to act to ameliorate the stress, remove ourselves from the situation or take other useful steps to delay or inhibit the emergence of the terrible reptilian brain?
What hope is there then when people can be arbitrarily subjected to emotional states or placed in situations that can overthrow every rational, humane or civil response?
For the purpose of this essay I would like to address the issue of how to keep guns out of the hands of peaceful, normal, nominally rational people. Surveying all the comments and reviewing the arguments of the gun control advocates, one rarely finds a discussion of how gun possession poses a self-induced threat to rational, law-abiding people. The focus of gun violence always seems directed at criminals, the mentally deranged or the macho conceal-and-car ry George Zimmerman types.
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My response to people who bring up this claim is that we are hardly the only country who "conquered" other people and "took their land away". Many countries, including the UK and many European countries, "took land away". Many countries in the third world conquered other civilizations and treated them horribly. We are hardly the only country in that regard.
I don't see any reason in the world why we should be coddling these deranged revolutionaries in their efforts to overthrow the government. We should put the brakes on these self-proclaimed "patriots" who are obviously dangerous and don't give a damn about the country. They aren't going to be happy unless they have machine guns, bazookas, nuclear weapons. We need to stop having "respect" for their "point of view." The Rosenbergs went to the electric chair for a lot less.
But we grew out of it.
Not here it seems.
I have always found it rather odd that the first half of this sentence is a justification for the right bestowed by the amendment. No other constitutional amendment incorporates a justification into itself like this. I wonder why this one required it.
If we really examine the language and its context at the time the 2nd Amendment was added as part of the Bill of Rights, then the whole discussion about gun control and gun regulation should INCLUDE discussion about repealing or revising the 2nd Amendment itself.
How about this: "... the right of active duty or reserve members of the U.S. military or any state-sponsored militia (i.e. National Guard) to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
The strangest think about Americans is how much they hate other Americans.
I say this because, in many neighborhoods, you have upstanding people who constantly live in fear of gangs other violent criminals. They worry about their own safety. In many of these areas the police are either unable and/or unwilling to effectively protect them and apprehend violent criminals. In some cases the police are even corrupt. Against these realities I fully support the right to self-defense and protection because the police aren't always going to be effective. And I can't support taking away the right of those citizens to be armed when they have little other options to protect themselves.
This is why I don't support gun control anymore. It's a fundamental question of civil rights to me.
Quoting cordleycoit:
There you go again with that ill-defined "Neo-Liberal" phrase.
Please explain the context, which is usually coined by default, as a definition of the IMF's economic policies resulting in NAFTA, GATT and so on.
Seriously, it's this kind of paranioa that scares the shit out of me. To me, armed right winngers are just as dangerous as common criminals, maybe more so.
MEN are the problem, not guns.
Below is data from the Bureau of US Justice Statistics:
Males were almost 10 times more likely than females to commit murder in 2005.
All Homicide Types by Gender 1976-2005 -- 88% male, 11.2% female."
Eldercide Male 85.2% Female 14.8%
Felony murder Male 93.2% Female 6.8% female
Sex related murder Male 93.6% Female 6.4%
Gang related murder Male 98.3% Female 1.7%
Drug related murder Male 95.5% Female 4.5%
Workplace murders Male 91.3% Female 8.7%
Argument murders Male 85.6 % Female 14.4%
GUN homicide Male 91.3% Female 8.7%
Multiple victims Male 93.5% Female 6.5%
Child murder Of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by MEN
And last but not least, legal mass serial killings listed by the MILLIONS of people MEN killed in WARS (started by MEN).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War#Nine_largest_wars_.28by_death_toll.29
The irrational and unhealthy obsession with guns must be sourced in cultural and social attitudes, beliefs and fears.
No other nation is like this and no other developed nation both hates and fears government which is a reason given by many for holding onto their guns.
So much of the constitution which Americans revere and which is more like theological dogma than political sense is sourced in 18th century circumstance and belief. Time to grow up, move on and bring the US into the modern world.
That's one of the dumbest things ever posted on RSN!
With the Abolitionist they wanted to protect peoples inherent right to life -- the anti gunners want to eliminate peoples inheerent right to self defense
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