Kurnaz begins: "I left Guantanamo Bay much as I had arrived almost five years earlier - shackled hand-to-waist, waist-to-ankles, and ankles to a bolt on the airplane floor. My ears and eyes were goggled, my head hooded, and even though I was the only detainee on the flight this time, I was drugged and guarded by at least 10 soldiers."
Turkish-born German citizen Murat Kurnaz vanished into America's terror detention system. (photo: AP)
Notes From a Guantanamo Survivor
08 January 12
LEFT Guantánamo Bay much as I had arrived almost five years earlier - shackled hand-to-waist, waist-to-ankles, and ankles to a bolt on the airplane floor. My ears and eyes were goggled, my head hooded, and even though I was the only detainee on the flight this time, I was drugged and guarded by at least 10 soldiers. This time though, my jumpsuit was American denim rather than Guantánamo orange. I later learned that my C-17 military flight from Guantánamo to Ramstein Air Base in my home country, Germany, cost more than $1 million.
When we landed, the American officers unshackled me before they handed me over to a delegation of German officials. The American officer offered to re-shackle my wrists with a fresh, plastic pair. But the commanding German officer strongly refused: "He has committed no crime; here, he is a free man."
I was not a strong secondary school student in Bremen, but I remember learning that after World War II, the Americans insisted on a trial for war criminals at Nuremberg, and that event helped turn Germany into a democratic country. Strange, I thought, as I stood on the tarmac watching the Germans teach the Americans a basic lesson about the rule of law.
How did I arrive at this point? This Wednesday is the 10th anniversary of the opening of the detention camp at the American naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. I am not a terrorist. I have never been a member of Al Qaeda or supported them. I don't even understand their ideas. I am the son of Turkish immigrants who came to Germany in search of work. My father has worked for years in a Mercedes factory. In 2001, when I was 18, I married a devout Turkish woman and wanted to learn more about Islam and to lead a better life. I did not have much money. Some of the elders in my town suggested I travel to Pakistan to learn to study the Koran with a religious group there.
I made my plans just before 9/11. I was 19 then and was naïve and did not think war in Afghanistan would have anything to do with Pakistan or my trip there. So I went ahead with my trip.
I was in Pakistan, on a public bus on my way to the airport to return to Germany when the police stopped the bus I was riding in. I was the only non-Pakistani on the bus - some people joke that my reddish hair makes me look Irish - so the police asked me to step off to look at my papers and ask some questions. German journalists told me the same thing happened to them. I was not a journalist, but a tourist, I explained. The police detained me but promised they would soon let me go to the airport. After a few days, the Pakistanis turned me over to American officials. At this point, I was relieved to be in American hands; Americans, I thought, would treat me fairly.
I later learned the United States paid a $3,000 bounty for me. I didn't know it at the time, but apparently the United States distributed thousands of fliers all over Afghanistan, promising that people who turned over Taliban or Qaeda suspects would, in the words of one flier, get "enough money to take care of your family, your village, your tribe for the rest of your life." A great number of men wound up in Guantánamo as a result.
I was taken to Kandahar, in Afghanistan, where American interrogators asked me the same questions for several weeks: Where is Osama bin Laden? Was I with Al Qaeda? No, I told them, I was not with Al Qaeda. No, I had no idea where bin Laden was. I begged the interrogators to please call Germany and find out who I was. During their interrogations, they dunked my head under water and punched me in the stomach; they don't call this waterboarding but it amounts to the same thing. I was sure I would drown.
At one point, I was chained to the ceiling of a building and hung by my hands for days. A doctor sometimes checked if I was O.K.; then I would be strung up again. The pain was unbearable.
After about two months in Kandahar, I was transferred to Guantánamo. There were more beatings, endless solitary confinement, freezing temperatures and extreme heat, days of forced sleeplessness. The interrogations continued always with the same questions. I told my story over and over - my name, my family, why I was in Pakistan. Nothing I said satisfied them. I realized my interrogators were not interested in the truth.
Despite all this, I looked for ways to feel human. I have always loved animals. I started hiding a piece of bread from my meals and feeding the iguanas that came to the fence. When officials discovered this, I was punished with 30 days in isolation and darkness.
I remained confused on basic questions: why was I here? With all its money and intelligence, the United States could not honestly believe I was Al Qaeda, could they?
After two and a half years at Guantánamo, in 2004, I was brought before what officials called a Combatant Status Review Tribunal, at which a military officer said I was an "enemy combatant" because a German friend had engaged in a suicide bombing in 2003 - after I was already at Guantánamo. I couldn't believe my friend had done anything so crazy but, if he had, I didn't know anything about it.
A couple of weeks later, I was told I had a visit from a lawyer. They took me to a special cell and in walked an American law professor, Baher Azmy. I didn't believe he was a real lawyer at first; interrogators often lied to us and tried to trick us. But Mr. Azmy had a note written in Turkish which he had gotten from my mother, and that made me trust him. (My mother found a lawyer in my hometown in Germany who heard that lawyers at the Center for Constitutional Rights represented Guantánamo detainees; the center assigned Mr. Azmy my case.) He did not believe the evidence against me and quickly discovered that my "suicide bomber" friend was, in fact, alive and well in Germany.
Mr. Azmy, my mother and my German lawyer helped pressure the German government to secure my release. Recently, Mr. Azmy made public a number of American and German intelligence documents from 2002 to 2004 that showed both countries suspected I was innocent. One of the documents said American military guards thought I was dangerous because I had prayed during the American national anthem.
Now, five years after my release, I am trying to put my terrible memories behind me. I have remarried and have a beautiful baby daughter. Still, it is hard not to think about my time at Guantánamo and to wonder how it is possible that a democratic government can detain people in intolerable conditions and without a fair trial.
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WHAT democratic government?
Of course a democratic government doesn't do those things.
How the hell did I wind up in this weird little rock in the sky?
Paraphrasing: "Everyone is nuts except thee and me, and I sometimes wonder about thee." (and me)
We are NO LONGER A DEMOCRACY in any way, shape, or form.
We are a class society of white elites at the top, down through the middle class (CLASS?), unequal monetary rights for black people, down to the white poor who are used as a volley ball in GOP debates for depending on food stamps to feed their children.
SHAME ON US!
NEVER, EVER VOTE GOP/TP
To quote Thomas Jefferson: "When the people feal the government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people there is liberty.
It is up to all of us to turn things around. We have no leaders at this time who will do it for us.
Dein Horrortrip, Murat, ist unbegreiflich und mehr als beschämend, besonders für uns in den USA, die wir ständig hören wie speziell und von Gott bevorzugt wir sind.
This poor wretch will probably NEVER get over what was done to him and I wish he could sue for reparations (probably shit-scared now) but I doubt if he'll ever get his mind back.
And your Sec'y of state travels around the world slapping the wrists of "naughty" less-than-democ ratic" regimes, always overlooking Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Pakistan -the list is huge but then they are "Our bad guys", as was the late, Saddaam H' and even Bin Laden (Formerly of the US -armed Mujahadeen).
And this doesn't even count the internal revenge-based political prisoners like Leonard Peltier and the still alive and well funded thug-nurturing former "School of the Americas" at Fort Benning GA, now renamed at great length to purty it up.
Democracy -Bah, Humbug! Try another name.
Do you folks deliberately block out the truth?
"In his 1999 memoir, Peltier admitted that he fired at the agents, but denies that he fired the fatal shots that killed them."
Peltier was found guilty by a jury and numerous appeals failed. I hope he lives long enough to serve out his full sentence. His defense appears to be "I tried killing those two FBI agents but failed because I was a bad shot. So I'm a political prisoner"
Evidently there are people who fall for such humbug!
Oh, and as a final matter, you are dead wrong about the law: If you intend to shoot to kill but fail to do so then the most you can be convicted of is felony murder, but NOT murder. As a so-called "nation of laws" that should matter.
The whole story sounds fishy. He is friends of a suicide bomber, he vacations in Pakistan, he writes ant-American propaganda....c ertainly a profile that would warrant further investigation.
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
who are you to judge someone's story?
"...and to wonder how it is possible that a democratic government can detain people in intolerable conditions and without a fair trial."
We are living under a Fascist Dictatorship; $3000.00 a head.
And now Our Great Leader has signed (under cover of darkness; on New Year's Eve) legislation to do this to U.S. citizens as well.
And I ask you again: when will we stand up and say enough?
Mr. Kurnaz is lucky to be alive. I'm glad that he survived. Even though his story is painful to him, I hope he never forgets it and he teaches it to as many people as he can. Let's all never forget and never let this happen again -- except that it is. The CIA still has many secret torture concentration camps all over the world. Africa is now the hot location. Obama lied when he said the US does not torture people. Obama does not control the CIA but rather the CIA gives him orders.
When a nearby prison had an uprising they dropped the vail of secrecy on how they dealt with the problem.
America is becoming a prison.
Is ABOMINATION beyond belief. There is NEVER 'reason' to descend to such deprivation. This is Despicable Behavior, Geneva Convention, US Constitution, notwithstanding (in case you need 'Official Documents to find your 'Humanity').
Since U S armed forces are the Perpetrators, Obama is responsible. (that is a PERIOD). May he know his own Humanity, and suffer his own sensibilty of Justice.
The French tortured Indians because they were not catholics. The British sometimes tried to found religous tolerant states, but they failed and they always tortured and murdered indians.
The torture of Indians continued up to the 1970s, with medical experiments, forces sterilizations, kidnapping of children and imprisonment in concentrations camps known as Indian Schools.
The CIA formally began its research on torture and behavior modificationi in 1950. Many police departments regularly use torture for arrestees. Chicago is the worst.
So I don't know when you were born or where you grew up. The US has always had a very bad problem with torture.
again, sorry. torture makes me crazy.
In its purist/original form in the United States, its definition merely refered to "open and free elections." It didn't mean freedom, fairness, or any other liberal tenents. That came from the insistance of Thomas Jefferson.
What everyone here seems to be referencing are the tenants of John Locke and the Constitution of the United States in their nascent writings.
Today's so-called abuses of power are swaddled in the semantics of what constitutes security isssues. So . . . one must decide whether they are comfortable with giving everyone the benefit of the doubt (habeas corpus) in terms of security issues, or error on the side of caution.
When did ABU GRAIB close down? Remember ABU GRAIB? What about all of those secret torture camps worldwide ("black sites")?
Why do we always here debate about closing down Guantanamo? I just don't get it. Either we continue torturing people or we stop. What difference does it make where the actual torture takes place?
Is it just me, or does this have the markings of a red herring?
Are we discussing closing Guantanamo so people will assume we've stopped torturing people in the 100 other places we currently do it?
What am I missing?
How many people will still be tortured by "our brave boys and girls in uniform" in another 30 or 40 years? It will be interesting to find out that your grandchildren are proudly torturing 80 year olds who were innocent of a crime committed 20 years before your grandchildren were even born.
"Freedom isn't free!"
Yeah right! Just ask the thousands of people being tortured worldwide in the name of preserving all that "freedom".
Thanks to Obama signing the "National Defense Authorization Act" we can all wonder if we, as American citizens, can be tortured indefinitely as well.
If we torture foreigner who have no political voice in our system we can still speak up against it.
If our government starts torturing us FOR SPEAKING UP AGAINST TORTURE ITSELF, who will be left to speak up?
i know about 1 terrible case that is still on-going. look up syed hashmi. [sometimes called fahad hashmi]
then send him a card. flood that damn prison with cards. he will be in solitary confinement for 15 years over SOCKS that were sent to al quaeda by an acquaintance.
SYED MEHMOOD HASHMI
registration number 60011-054
USP FLORENCE ADMAX
U.S. PENITENTIARY
PO BOX 8500
FLORENCE, CO 81226
PS scroo that pathetic whining about the economy, unions, PACs, etc. STOP THE TORTURE FIRST
the prison website is
http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/flm/
I am ashamed of the people who did this to him, and I am embarrassed for my country. I want to apologize to our founding fathers but here is what I think they would say to me: "Huck; don't apologize for what your countrymen did to this German. Apologize instead for not doing what we did when faced with a similar evil. And then take your apologies and shove them up your ass, you fucking coward."
but what can we do? send a few bucks to some org that frees 1 or 2 people after 7 years while so many others sit in solitary without end? make a sign, take a plane, and march somewhere? read endless stories like this and worse and then rant on rsn to others who are helpless to change it as well?
Peaceful is always better. Well, almost always. I like to think that had I been part of the 50s/60s civil rights movement that I would have been killing KKK members, but I probably would have been sitting on the couch talking shit like I am now. Better I was on the couch, I guess.
I don't have the balls to march and let some pig's German Shepard bite me while I get a beat down with a truncheon and a fire hose, or get burned or hung from a tree.
I look around today and wonder what is happening now that would cause some guy 50 years from now to sit on a couch and say "Had I been there, I would have been killing XXX." Why am I not doing that?
Oh well, back to the couch.
So what happened to the "Free and fair elections" you mentioned?
Democracy is indeed messy and loose ended but "Barbarity", if practiced by ANY regime or state, immediately takes that state out of the realm of even trying to be a democracy. Ask Leonard Peltier, who has been in jail for thirty years on evidence no "democracy" would convict him on; and also ask the survivors of Troy Anthony Davis, recently officially lynched by Georgia to prove how "Free" they are do do it to us!
And that's just inside the country. Look for more barbarity as the police and military Darth Vader squads become indistinguishab le.
and then there are organizations that try to help these people and want u to send them $ for the cause, but NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.
free syed hashmi
WHY? He admitted in court that he had committed an act of terrorism.
"On 27 April, Hashmi pleaded guilty to a single terrorism charge in Federal District Court in Manhattan."
So the real question is why do so many people posting here want a known, admitted terrorist released?
So he didn't have a lawyer?
LOL!
But lets say his admission was true and that he was competent at trial. What sentence would u give someone just for knowing someone who sent 1 suitcase of underwear to alQ? It wasn’t a bomb and hashmi didn’t send it. dont you think a 15 year sentence in total solitary [torture by UN definition] for SOCKS SENT BY SOMEONE ELSE is excessive? He will have been driven insane by the time he gets out. They have essentially buried him alive over socks sent by someone else.
Either you're against torture in ALL circumstances or you're FOR it. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
The scenario you're pointing to (the right-wing lunatic fantasy ala "24") is a load of b.s. Even if that scenario actually happened, torture wouldn't work. The fact is that torturing someone is a PERFECT way to scramble their brains and make ANYTHING they tell you completely USELESS. If you torture someone for just one hour, you're likely to hear about how they were abducted by aliens. If they don't tell you that, it's simply because they assume you're looking for something else. Either way, not only will they lie to give you what you want, but they won't even know the difference between a lie and the truth at that point. In less than an hour you can render someone mentally damaged in a way that they will never recover.
The idea of torturing someone quick to save thousands of lives is PURE FANTASY.
if my child, or anyone, were being held by some criminally insane sadist, u can bet that if they didnt cough up the location immediately, i would put a nail thru his eye to save the life of an innocent person known to be in immanent danger. but torturing someone who might know some bit of possibly useful info-never.
I know my "apology" means next to nothing, if not nothing, but I express my sincere sorrow for all of the torture that Murat Kurnaz, and all of the others like him, suffered. And I can't believe that the CIA-controlled New York Times published this. I am certain they have no desire to promote sympathy for people such as this man; even though, like the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees, he was/is completely innocent. God save us from all of the "neo-Nazis" who have taken over the U.S. of A.!
I think you need to study a little more on the Nazis and torture. Hot coals, ripped out nails, the rack etc those are all torture. What they did at Guantanamo was just vigorous questioning. Look up the inquisition if you want to find out about real torture. Al quida and the Taliban are apparently experts.
In any event, I've been subjected to "vigorous questioning" as part of training and I've said shit that was not true in order to get it to stop. I'd get a simple number like "123" and be told to never repeat it no matter what. Ten minutes later (if that) and all you heard from me was "123, 123, 123, 123, 123 . . ." Funny now, but then, not so much. And I used to be a stud.
[do you know about camp no at gitmo? it was a black site at the facility. thats where the 3 'suicides' took place]
by the way, bowe bergdahl will probably be released soon. he's been held by the taliban for a couple of years. i doubt he is happy, but he is quite healthy.
Funny, I thought we were supposed to have evolved a little from the inquisiton and even the Nazis but apparently not.
Would you care to try and endure some of the things this guy went through, o' Brave one.
The late Christopher Hitchins VOLUNTARILY subjected himself to waterboarding and concluded; "If that isn't torture, I don't know what to call it"!
You're very gutsy at the mouth mate!
what they did and still do at Guantanamo and other prisons where they put whoever they decide are enemy combattants is not vigorous questioning
sociopath is word you should study
I thought that Obama would close this disgusting torture camp but he too has done nothing. Democracy in the States is dead and we are all left to mourn.
Enough! Mr. President, tear down this camp. Tell the Repubs to go to hell. And tell the American people what conditions exist at the camp since you took it over - have we been continuing the barbarous treatment from the Bush years; or is this just one more policy of the past that you have, again, not changed?
Get wise to the fact that Obama is a willing and eager lackey of the plutocracy and has no compunction about violating the Constitution in order to serve his masters.
So what happens when the possibility to awake we the sheeple is brought by Occupy Wall Streeters? More torture and stripping away of rights of OWSers, this time with nowhere near the coverage that Greedy Old Party caucuses are getting.
Time for a worldwide revolution.
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