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Intro: "Breivik is not a Norwegian oddity, but symptomatic of a growing culture of politically motivated violence across Europe."

Removing the wounded from Norway's Utoya Island, 07/22/11. (photo: EPA)
Removing the wounded from Norway's Utoya Island, 07/22/11. (photo: EPA)



Norway Attacks: We Can No Longer Ignore the Far-Right Threat

By Matthew Goodwin, Guardian UK

24 July 11

 

Breivik is not a Norwegian oddity, but symptomatic of a growing culture of politically motivated violence across Europe.

he tragedy in Norway this weekend may prove to be a watershed moment in terms of how we approach far-right followers, groups and their ideology. Until now, European democracies and their security services had focused almost exclusively on the threat from al-Qaida -inspired terrorism. Rightwing extremist groups and their more violent affiliates were dismissed as a disorganised, fragmented and irrelevant movement.

This conventional wisdom, however, ignored wider evidence of a more violent and confrontational mood that was emerging within European far-right circles. This shift may have been a response to the arrival of al-Qaida-inspired terrorism, or a sense that far-right political parties in Europe (such as the Norwegian Progress party of which the attacker was once a member) were not having enough influence on issues such as immigration.

Two years ago, anti-terrorism officers in Britain warned of a growing threat from rightwing "lone wolves". At the same time, the US department of homeland security warned of the way in which the wider economic climate and election of the first African-American president could result in confrontations between rightwing extremists and government authorities "similar to those in the past". These past events included the bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma that killed 168 people.

The events over the weekend directly challenged the idea that rightwing extremism is only a minor security threat. According to Norwegian police, the perpetrator - 32 year-old Anders Behring Breivik - has confirmed that he worked alone on planning and carrying out the two attacks.

The sources of his ideological influences have started to become clear. He was far from what we might term a traditional rightwing extremist. While he was profoundly concerned about the effects of immigration, multiculturalism, Islam and the growth of settled Muslim communities, he was also dismissive of crude racial supremacist and neo-Nazi ideas and parties that espoused these ideas, naming for example the British National Party (BNP).

It was, perhaps, his rejection of the BNP that prompted his interest in the English Defence League (EDL). While Breivik was impressed by the speed of their growth, he also praised "tactical choices" made by their leaders. This included an endorsement of the EDL's rejection of traditional white supremacist discourse and racism, and their decision to oppose Islam on cultural grounds. This distinction between traditional race-based forms of rightwing extremism (such as those of the BNP) and a new anti-Muslim narrative reflects a broader change within the European far right. Rather than oppose immigration and Islam on racial grounds (an argument that would attract little support), the emphasis shifts on to the more socially acceptable issue of culture: Muslims are not biologically inferior, but they are culturally incompatible, so the argument goes. The aim is to open modern far-right groups up to a wider audience.

Like most within the far right, while Breivik expressed profound concern over an array of threats in wider society, he appeared to view the mainstream parties as either unwilling or unable to respond adequately. He was at one time a member of the rightwing Progress party that has also rallied against immigration and voiced criticism of Muslims, but he later denounced members of this party as "politically correct career politicians" who were not prepared to "take risks and work for idealistic goals". More broadly, Breivik was also fiercely opposed to the cultural influence of Marxism and "political correctness" and called on sections of the right to counter this influence by taking control of media and other positions of influence.

It would be easy to denounce Breivik as a Norwegian exception, but this would be a mistake. While he is distinguishable by his actions, it is important to note that some of Breivik's core concerns have also played a prominent role within Norwegian and European politics more generally. I spent four years interviewing far-right activists, many of whom rejected political violence. Yet what became clear during this research was that there is, unquestionably, a culture of violence within the broader far-rightwing subculture. Many of the ideas that were voiced during this research have also come to light over the past 48 hours: the perceived threat posed by Muslim communities, a belief that mainstream parties are incapable of dealing with this threat and strong emphasis on a "clash of civilizations" between members of the majority population and minority groups.

Through websites, literature and meetings (all of which, it seems, Breivik was exposed to), this movement cultivates several narratives among its followers: the belief that they are engaged in a battle for racial or cultural survival; that their racial, religious or cultural group is threatened by imminent extinction; that existing political options are incapable of responding to this threat; that urgent and radical action is required to response to these threats in society; and that they must fulfil this duty in order to leave a legacy for their children and grandchildren.

These motives provide followers of far right and fundamentalist groups with a compelling and convincing rationale for getting actively involved. Foremost, these citizens perceive that a wider community is under threat, whether from al-Quaida, supranational organisations such as the EU or UN, immigration or the growth of settled Muslim communities.

Furthermore, they also contend that this threat is cultural rather than economic. It is not simply about jobs or social housing. It is a profound sense of concern that a set of values, way of life and wider community are under threat, and that only the most radical forms of action can remove this threat.

I recently reviewed an academic book that ended with the prediction that the next wave of terrorism in Europe will come not from al-Quaida-inspired groups, but rather rightwing groups that want to respond to this threat and reassert the position of their wider group. It is far too early to tell whether Breivik's actions will inspire copycat attacks, but one thing remains clear: the threat from rightwing extremist groups and ideas deserves far greater attention.

 

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+58 # michaelconley 2011-07-24 11:57
the fact that this guy attacked his fellow Norweigeners suggests a more thought out and long term strategy than merely fighting immigration. I think this right winger is similar to other right wingers in the sense that he is fighting moderation and rationality and the ability of governments to solve problems. He is attacking the status quo.
 
 
-16 # Dave_s Not Here 2011-07-24 13:45
"Norwigeners?" I always thought they were called Norwegians. Did I miss something?
 
 
+3 # racetoinfinity 2011-07-25 03:33
He's also fighting modernity and especially post-modernity, i.e. evolution.
 
 
-13 # Johnny Genlock 2011-07-25 10:47
This was a government sponsored-stage d event. It's called a FALSE FLAG. Do some research and quit being manipulated by your fear. The only way for these events to be halted is to wake up to their source. Once we all know the game, they are no longer effective to accomplish their goals. Norway has been neutral. Who would it benefit? Whose agenda does it serve to get them off the fence and into the mostly fraudulent WAR ON TERROR?
 
 
+6 # Reynolds 2011-07-26 08:33
You are the one that needs to wake up - or at least travel a bit. The chance that Norway would create a false flag event against their own citizens, particularly the children of the ruling party - is non-existent. This was exactly what it seemed like -- a violent act perpetrated by a violent man on the extreme Right. I have children, I do fear.
 
 
0 # 4yourinformation 2011-07-28 09:14
This is not a false flag event. This crap has been brewing for some time and finally it came to its natural development. Constant racist and supranationalis t rhetoric will eventually whip up actions like these. Besides, this event should only reinforce the case against the "war on terror." I have been reading posts by Norwegians and they say they will only work harder at tolerance and peace.
 
 
+105 # NanFan 2011-07-24 12:00
Thank you for your frank article, Mr. Goodwin. I think you are on target, not only in Europe, but across the world.

In the U.S. right now there is a ridiculous battle between ideologies, perpetrated by the far right-wing Republican leadership, who do not want to negotiate about the economic welfare of the WORLD. Whatever is thrown at them as far as concessions is rejected and they've stormed out of meetings like sassy kids who want to play THEIR way, or take their toys and go home!

And this is at the expense of the elderly citizens' welfare that they paid into all their lives, education for the future leaders of the US and the world, and more.

The Republican right DO NOT CARE about PEOPLE; they care about money. They care about their sick world, much the same as that of this Norway bomber and killer.

I am sick to death of the hatred in the world, and you are right, it is right next door. This feels like what happened in Nazi Germany when Hitler gave voice to the underbelly antisemitism and hatred of anyone other than Aryan-right, white supremacists.

I'm feeling nauseous and worried beyond EVER before.

N.
 
 
+33 # NanFan 2011-07-24 12:52
Go here...there is a legal and sane way out...http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/politics/25legal.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Invoke the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution to raise the debt ceiling. Obama can do it without this right-wing dickering with a flick of his wrist as president.

DO IT!!!

N.
 
 
-17 # Writ 2011-07-24 13:05
This is why the Asians are in discussion with the Russians and Middle east to develop a new kind of currency. That will reduce dollars to counterfeit and then even the millionaires who haven't bought gold will find themselves as poor as the rest of us. Ever wonder why no one even mentions Fort Knox any more.
 
 
+23 # kalpal 2011-07-24 13:41
Quoting Writ:
This is why the Asians are in discussion with the Russians and Middle east to develop a new kind of currency. That will reduce dollars to counterfeit and then even the millionaires who haven't bought gold will find themselves as poor as the rest of us. Ever wonder why no one even mentions Fort Knox any more.


Ever wonder why conspiracists are widely and justifiably ignored? They lack any sense of proportion and timeliness.

Even at $1,600 an ounce there is not enough gold in Fort Knox to be of any consequence but that seems not to be of any import to believers in currency fantasies.
 
 
+8 # Ralph Averill 2011-07-25 02:44
Has anyone checked lately to see if the gold is still in Ft. Knox?
 
 
+44 # Writ 2011-07-24 13:05
Here, here! NanFan you have hit it right on the head in terms of what is going on in America. The Republican party works against the interest of the people and continue to REFUSE to work in cooperation of the best interest of the people. Instead they pan anything that smacks of aiding the people. They have turned into Nazis and pretend no one can see them. They out and out REFUSE to pay their fair share of taxes and seem to think its all about securing their wealth. They are already wealthy but do not want to give anything at all to the people. Why anyone continues to vote for them is beyond me. Even tried and true Republican voters must see their party has been taken over by a very dangerous and uncaring faction that seems to wish to remove all rights to their citizens. They sponsor corporations who have sent jobs overseas. And both parties are responsible for allowing manufacturing to no longer exist in America. Bush, Cheyney and that demonic force is totally responsible for selling America out to the Asians who have bought up our debt and now sense Americans will not be able to pay back the multi-trillions due the Asians.
 
 
+58 # kalpal 2011-07-24 13:44
You may wish to examine legislative history for the past few decades and you may be surprised to discover that at no time have the Republicans originated and passed even one bit of legislation intended to assist the poor or middle class. Their essence consists of: comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted.
 
 
-10 # Johnny Genlock 2011-07-25 11:00
NAFTA and GATT were bipartisan, Writ. It was Ross Perot who warned of that "great sucking sound" as jobs went south. It was your leader, Al Gore, who assured us that NAFTA/GATT meant prosperity.

Now here in Texas we have Al Gore's former Texas Campaign Manager, now Republican Rick Perry, preparing to run for el presidente. Don't you get it? It's all a game. You're being played.

Now stop talking about theft (high taxes) and pretend its charity. If O gets his way the cumulative tax on Americans will soar to 70% of gross. Americans are such dupes. Not even the Soviet Union at its height was able to bilk so much money out of its people.
 
 
+1 # lee Kefauver 2011-07-26 16:18
Writ, you have hit the nail on the head.
 
 
-12 # Johnny Genlock 2011-07-25 10:55
Give me a break, NanFan. Let's see, Debt Ceiling. If I give you a credit card with a $10,000 limit and you max it out and cannot make the payments, you're saying the solution to the problem is give you a $50,000 credit limit. That's going to fix everything. NOT. So one Party is posturing the "sanity" pose. The other Party is promising "freebies" for all. Meanwhile the Debt undertaker is standing by, waiting for this nation's collapse. Is this what you want?
 
 
+3 # Karlus 2011-07-25 16:31
Sir, there exists the concept of good debt vs bad debt. Surely if your family was in debt over your head...you would be ever grateful for a saving loan which, if handled properly, would be able to overcome your financial plight. So it is then, with our family, ie. the government, which I may add...is OUR corporation, the peoples corporation. But we've allowed it to be run by theives. Private corporations have no interest in your well-being, but OUR corporation, our government must have OUR best interests at heart. When theives who claim governemnt is the problem have been allowed to take public office...what do you expect? The answer is absolutely take on the life-saving debt BUT begin to manage it wisely. That means ending wars, commencing vital infrastructure programs which both put folks back to work resulting in increased revenue to pay our bills. Healthcare is a big expense so why on earth don't we EXPAND Medicare for everyone which will reduce the costs significantly. We will not collapse if reason prevails. To my initial analogy of increasing debt for a debt-ridden family....what will happen to them if someone doesn't have either the heart, soul, or plain decency to help. You must surely know the answer.....for there are plenty amongst us now in that state of being...the increasing homeless who invariably will cost us much more than you may think possible.
 
 
+14 # Activista 2011-07-24 12:12
Brevik is a prototype of Christian-Zioni st - anti-Muslim propaganda originating from Right Wing Government of Israel AND Christian-Zioni st politics of United States.
Waiting for UN_CENSORED analysis of this ideology.
Norway is obvious target - start with OSLO Peace Initiative - USRael does NOT want Palestinian state based on 67 borders BEFORE occupation.
 
 
+7 # kalpal 2011-07-24 13:48
WOW! Who'd have thunk it that Israel is to blame for all of the world's problems. This must becoming from the left field of less than sane anti-Jewish thinking.

Want to bet that this guy will be accused of having been trained by the CIA or the Mossad in Muslim style mass murder within the week?
 
 
+4 # Activista 2011-07-24 15:32
Brevik is a prototype of Christian-Zioni st ideology
Norway was targeted by Mossad before -
do not obfuscate - Google Search:
NORWAY Mossad
 
 
-6 # Rick Levy 2011-07-24 21:01
I read an unrelated article about the future of American exploration. One respondent said that the lack of adequate funds for future voyages is due to U.S. government aid to Israel.

My point is that Israel (and by extension Jews in general) get blamed for every thing that's wrong with the world. So t's only a matter of time before that we andIsrael get tagged in the Norway massacre as well.
 
 
+2 # Activista 2011-07-24 22:39
"Israel (and by extension Jews in general) get blamed for every thing that's wrong with the world"
Jews are much more sophisticated and diverse than present regime in Israel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
Brevik is Christian-Zioni st to the core.
 
 
+4 # Johnny Genlock 2011-07-25 10:37
And that's very true. But it is also true that Mossad has done operations like this. Check out (Google) former Mossad Agent, Viktor Ostrowski: BY WAY OF DECEPTION; THE OTHER SIDE OF DECEPTION
 
 
+1 # Activista 2011-07-25 12:32
"Mossad knew there was going to be an attack on the Americans' peace mission in Beirut and intentionally withheld that information from the Americans"
re:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Way_of_Deception
I believe that this was also a case with 911 New York bombing - Mossad knew there was going to be an attack .. and intentionally withheld that information from the Americans ...
 
 
+81 # canuuk 2011-07-24 12:26
Look at the brown-shirt rabble that attended Palin rallies in 2008 and shouted things like "Kill him!" How about Tim McVeigh, Jared Loughner and the Right-wing Militia "patriots"? Fascism in America is as dangerous a threat to our freedom as Islamic radicalism. It needs to be stopped!
 
 
-8 # Johnny Genlock 2011-07-25 10:33
Jared Loughner is a Jew. Tim McVeigh was active duty military in a government staged event in OKC. Elohim City, the staging ground, was run by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an affiliate of the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai Brith. Canuuk, obviously a dupe of the mainstream media. Wake up. Brevik was a staged event. There are marksmen who don't have kill rates like Brevik is said to have achieved as a lone gunman. Someone else was there.
 
 
+35 # Barbara K 2011-07-24 12:39
As far as I'm concerned, I think they should be declared a Terrorist Group, as that is what they are; and no better than any other terrorist group.
 
 
+21 # Glen 2011-07-24 13:32
In the U.S., thanks to the Patriot Act and policies instituted since then, just about every organization the government, both federal and local, disagrees with is labeled terrorist. Therefore, that word has less meaning now than in the past. We can thank George W. Bush and his mentors for that.

Best be careful with labels and go after true criminals, as in the past.
 
 
+7 # in deo veritas 2011-07-24 17:20
If you wewnt after the true criminals would there be a quorum to conduct business in Congress or some state legislatures? LOL
 
 
+1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:15
True, there was a Veteran's Group here in my hometown who were painted as "Domestic Terrorists". None of them have picked up a weapon in 15 YEARS, so how are they going to terrorize anyone? Put denture-solvent in the water-supply?
 
 
+72 # Regina 2011-07-24 12:39
How different is the so-called Tea Party in the U. S. from the threatening movements described here for Europe? So far the Tea Party's sabotage has been limited to the crafting of legislation, but their 2nd Amendment stance points to their potential for violence if their demands fail enactment. On both continents, this is fascism redux.
 
 
+30 # kalpal 2011-07-24 13:51
So far as I am aware not a single Tea Partier in Congress has produced any legislation. I don't believe most of them know how to write very well.
They just believe they know what should not happen but have no clear idea of how to make anything worthwhile happen.
 
 
+13 # Regina 2011-07-24 16:05
Paul Ryan devised an extreme bill to obliterate established social legislation, and the House voted it in. That's just one example. Fortunately it got nowhere after that. But he is not alone. Consider the results of the various meetings with and without the president, some allegedly bipartisan, others straight TP, all of course going nowhere -- fortunately so far. So they craft, craftily.
 
 
+2 # racetoinfinity 2011-07-25 03:38
No, he's hardly alone. For now, see alecexposed.com
 
 
-3 # Johnny Genlock 2011-07-25 11:06
The first thing fascists do is disarm the people. Gandhi is quoted as saying that the greatest harm the British did to India was to disarm its people. Gandhi also stated that AHIMSA only worked because violence remained on the table as an option. The reason Breivik was able to accomplish the death toll he is attributed (did he get help?) is because there were no armed Norwegians at the Youth Camp.

Gun Free Zones = Nut Case Playgrounds
 
 
+44 # NanFan 2011-07-24 12:49
I have said this before and I will say it one more time, with the weight of the intelligence of the former President Bill Clinton who is suggesting that if HE were still president, he would invoke the 14th Amendment to try to protect the people of the US and their pensions and right from the radicalism of the Republican right.

They will bring down the world with their idiocy, and no one will do a thing.

Obama, get some cajones and DO YOUR JOB!! Tell them to go to hell and raise the debt ceiling FOR THE PEOPLE!!

N.
 
 
-6 # Activista 2011-07-24 13:52
And you think that DEBT of $14.3 Trillion! .... Under the Fed's custody, the U.S. dollar has lost 98 percent of its value. ...
will vanish?

www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/budgetary-deceit-and-amer_b_907684.html

read above
 
 
-1 # Johnny Genlock 2011-07-25 11:08
Activista is correct. Raising the debt ceiling simply devalues the dollar. Then we are all stealth robbed.
 
 
+25 # Writ 2011-07-24 12:55
This is a very well written article and is quite thought provoking. Also, I think there is a need to stop villianizing all members of a certain group because its reported that a few among them have created terror. This idea that one culture is threatened because a group with different ideology lives among them must be examined. The only constant in life is change. Nothing remains the same forever so perhaps its time to examine why there are cultures adverse to change and fear it so. Instead, why not try to learn of each others culture and look for a harmonious balance than just state lets eradicate the other group from our homeland because they differ from us. This is neither growth or progress. We should also not jump to believe all we are told. There are factions who seek to keep division so that they can continue to control. Its always best to do our own research because we might find what we are told is... is not at all but rather is only made to appear so.
 
 
+9 # kalpal 2011-07-24 13:52
When things did remain the same, we called that time the dark ages.
 
 
0 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:19
Or the Roman Empire before them, things were good, invading Germanic Barbarians wanted to "change" it because they didn't like the laws, and general attitude, "We Will Not Comply" and "What are you gonna do about it?"
Sadly, they got their Wish, the Romans were too slow to react, and with enough Instant Criminals they dissolved.

But actually, MUCH changed in the Dark Ages: Moslems took over the land formerly known as the Roman Empire, and Europe got to enjoy 700 years of being under an enemy boot, which MIGHT have jump-started Europe's own Imperialism when they got out from under. Better to do than be done to, right?
 
 
+18 # Writ 2011-07-24 12:57
Here, here Nanfare. You have hit it on the head in terms of the Republican party and what they are doing to bring down America, although they deny the obvious.
 
 
+3 # e urdanoff 2011-07-24 13:01
let's blame any/everything on the group we love to hate; Suing-Hui Cho (Va Tech)killed 33 students and he was neither left nor right wing; the Ft Hood gunman killed 13 and he was muslim;self-rig hteous kooks of every cloth and color think they have the right to "make statements" at the expense of others lives;
 
 
+2 # Dona Quixote 2011-07-25 12:20
I have always thought that Good and Evil are Equal Opportunity Employers!
 
 
+16 # camus11 2011-07-24 13:02
The sad thing is that there is a very good chance that the perpetrator, Anders Behring Breivik, if he didn't have the "foreign" sounding name, would likely be nominated by the GOP'ers for U.S. Congress or at least be eligible to give the key note address to the GOP'er national convention....
 
 
+23 # kalpal 2011-07-24 13:54
Anyone capable of writing 1500 pages will never be allowed to speak to the GOP. Too much intellect there. They like them charming and not all that bright.
 
 
+3 # racetoinfinity 2011-07-25 03:40
"charming" only if you find plastic fake smiles so.
 
 
0 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:22
Have you actually READ that 1500 pages? It makes the ObamaCare bill seem straightforward!
I know that they actually GOT 100 monkeys on 100 typewriters to pound out the works of Shakespeare, this must've been an early draft!
 
 
+2 # Activista 2011-07-24 14:01
My idea - let somebody with the right Christian-Zioni st credential publish/copy "Manifesto" aka Breivik ideology and it would be accepted in the USA.
Or analyze key "ideas" of some republican presidential candidates (anti-Muslim, multi-cultural, control of media, military) - it goes deeper than simple right x left.
 
 
+8 # kalpal 2011-07-24 13:36
It is quite likely that right wingers will undertake to attack a Mosque and kill its members and destroy the facility in an effort to persuade Muslim to return to their ancestral homes which they left because living where they came from was neither easy nor hopeful. Most Muslims who left their birth nations did so because there was no future for them there unless they had some fiscal resources which were only available to corrupt officials and successful criminals.
 
 
+3 # Activista 2011-07-24 22:43
"Most Muslims who left their birth nations did so because there was no future for them"
an estimated one million 'refugees' to flee Iraq in the aftermath of the Anglo-American invasion – Operation Iraqi Freedom – to topple the regime of Saddam ...
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 16:17
Moslems--and for that matter, MOST modern "immigrants", instead of accepting that immigration and even asylum are a FAVOR granted by their new host country, act like they are somehow OWED the privilege of entering a better country.
Once they enter, they start making demands to make their NEW home more like their OLD home, and ignoring that such a move is counterintuitiv e, the people who inhabit their new home, are more likely to say "NO, our country is successful the way WE set it up, if you don't like it, YOU leave!"
But then, they risk being called "racist".

Conversely, when a better culture tries to upgrade the country of a lesser culture, they don't seem to worry about being called--or just plain BEING--racist, they try to KILL the newcomers.

I wonder why it's "noble" for a lesser culture to resist, but "racist" when a better culture resists?
 
 
+9 # Barbara K 2011-07-24 13:44
Stop pandering to the right-wing idiots and get to governing. They are a bunch of kindergarteners who know nothing about running a government, so they just want to take it down. Let them get out of congress and go live in the Congo, where they would be more suited. They are not the majority of the House and the Rs & Ds can work together without them to get good legislation passed.
 
 
+35 # minkdumink 2011-07-24 13:57
''christians have killed more christians,than all the romans,barbaria ns and muslims combined''
Will Durant/lessons of history
 
 
+27 # teineitalia 2011-07-24 14:28
Minkdumink, I so appreciate the reference to one of the 20th century's greatest historians, Will Durant. I honestly believe that History should be a required course for any degree at all... because "those who do not learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them." The systematic underfunding of education in America has gone a long way toward allowing conservative ideologues to pull the wool over people's eyes... people cannot see the relationship between this and other times in history.

I see in the tempest brewing a direct link and mirror image to the fundamentalist movements of fascism that have surfaced throughout history. Usually tied to religious beliefs, and led by fervent sociopaths, they have caused more war and destruction than anything. The Crusades, the 100 Years War, the rise of Hitler in Weimar Germany, were all linked to religious hatred and fear of the "other". The Tea Party faction of Congress is the ideology of the conservative Christian fundamentalists on parade. And since they hate government, anyway, they are only too happy to bring it down. Goodwin is exactly right... we can no longer ignore the Far Right threat. Like global warming and climate change, it is real, and it is upon us.
 
 
+8 # in deo veritas 2011-07-24 17:29
Tp paraphrase: "those who do not learn the lessons of history condemn everyone else to suffer when they are repeated by them" Ehat better example than Bush and the misery that he caused? The teabaggers and the corporate fascists and what they intend to do unless they are crushed by public pressure.
 
 
+15 # Shirley in Berkeley 2011-07-24 14:02
If this murderer was so intent on expelling Muslim culture from Norway, why did he kill Norwegians, most of them children? Calling cold-blooded killers "terrorists" fails to label their crimes correctly. These self-aggrandizi ng cowards, who claim a political agenda as a reason to act out their sick fantasies, are murders.
 
 
+10 # John Gill 2011-07-24 15:03
Thanks Shirley. You are absolutely right. This man is insane and full of incomprehensibl e, unspeakable hatred. There most certainly is a danger from the right...a danger of organized political action that can lead to totalitarian governments, more war, and ultimately to ideological and ethnic cleansing. But to hold him up as an example of anything other than a nut job is, if anything, a weak argument.
 
 
+18 # Activista 2011-07-24 15:21
"why did he kill Norwegians, most of them children?"
The young campers at Utoya were everything Mr Breivik disliked, politically and racially. The New York Times reported that many victims were the children of immigrants from Africa and Asia who had begun to stake out a greater role in Norwegian society.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/calculated-attack-on-future-of-nations-left-wing-20110724-1hvh2.html#ixzz1T3ltaKuW
 
 
+8 # Shirley in Berkeley 2011-07-24 17:23
I find right-wing Christian fundamentalists to be dangerous to the health of our country, but I would never go to a meeting and murder them. The point I am trying to make is that whether left-wing Weathermen (do they even exist anymore?), right-wing Nazi groups, suicide bombers, or anyone else who aspires to be a coldblooded killer in the name of a cause, they are murderers and should be labeled as such. Calling them terrorists elevates them to a level that suggests their reasons should even be considered. Murder is a personal act. I don't care why he committed these horrible crimes.
 
 
+4 # Thorunn Sleight 2011-07-25 03:07
The murderer explained in his statement to the police that he had targeted the up and coming political leadership (the youth camp that was attacked was set up by the ruling Workingmen's Party, and included the cream of left-leaning young future politicians. Breivik considered it getting rid of rot at the core of society that was responsible for the multi-culturali sm that he and other right-wingers so hate.
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 16:21
That's because multiculturalis m is a form of appeasement. If a culture creates a better life that is worth entering the country for, it is the burden of the newcomers to adapt to the country, not the burden of the country to become like their old, failed country!

Could you imagine if a mess of immigrants entering America suddenly made demands for us to accommodate their language, instead of learning ours, or worse, tried to impose their religion on us?
I bet MOST Americans would give them a heartfelt two-word "speech", one of the words would be "Off!"
 
 
+17 # webfoot doug 2011-07-24 16:10
Shirley, in answer to your question:
The reason this terrorist attacked fellow Norwegians was because he blamed the "Left", the Labor party governing Norway, for the increase in Muslims and other minorities in Norway. He sees himself as a modern "Christian Crusader."

Thus the attacks on government buildings in Oslo, and on the Labor Party's youth camp.

Exactly the same hatred America's right-wing has for liberals who support multiculturalis m here.
Cheers, Webfoot Doug
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:25
That's what made me believe it was a false flag. Why kill a bunch of children, even children undergoing Socialist brainwashing, rather than the Moslem invaders, or the brainwashers instead of the victims in the middle?
 
 
-3 # America 2011-07-24 14:12
It is amazing how we like to stamp labels on people. Right wing - left wing, no wing at all. If we call ourselves leftwing do we always follow the dogma in everything we do?

At this point we dont not know enough about this guy to define his ideology or motivation.

We love to jump to conlusions as we did right after the Oklahoma City bombing. Oh it is the muslims, al-qaeda, etc.
Timothy McVeigh like Loughner were lone dissidents. They were not part of any right or left wing group.

As the saying goes you can't please all the people all the time. Without belonging to any group they can become intensely disenchanted & unhappy for whatever reason and decide to act with extreme violence.
 
 
0 # Activista 2011-07-24 15:40
"At this point we dont not know enough about this guy to define his ideology or motivation."
Agree - I am sick of conspiracy theories - killer was likely ALONE - (glad that he is in custody and talking).
The closest ideology/religi on he matches is Christian - Zionism, USraeli brand.
 
 
+3 # racetoinfinity 2011-07-25 03:45
We know plenty about his far-right ethnocentric ideology and motivation. He published a very long diatribe/"posit ion paper" on the net.
 
 
+4 # in deo veritas 2011-07-24 17:34
Not aligning people like this with a group or an ideology may be a mistake. John Brown did not slaughter men in Kansas all on his own: he was financed by wealthy abolitionists. He did not get the farm near Martinsburg, VA from which he launched his ill-executed raid on Harper's Ferry with his own money.
 
 
+5 # fostrottango 2011-07-24 19:02
The fact that racism, hatred, ignorance and arrogance is an established institution in America. The fact that the extreme hatred surfaced during the Obama only attests that it is racism and hatred hidden among public and private politician, rich people, and right wing religious instistutions. Surprisingly, not much is said for the domesticated home grown terrorists like the KKK and other white hate groups!

So why does the USA newsmedias keep mum on hate groups that are mostly white?

And...why does it keep pointing fingers at other groups instead of cleaning it's mess?

Care to talk about that?
 
 
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-24 20:30
White folk do put their dirty laundry where they do not want you to see it.

People are hate mongers and personally when people go off the deep end...they do not have to be left or right just nuts
 
 
-2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-24 20:28
Yes we must label, condemn, insinuate. Thanks. Until we know more and how will we with this Media. It is a shame.
I was told that the people in these camps were usually better off. Thru out history that has been a constant upheaval.
But thank you for yur comments and hope we will stop our negativity as it is strangling us to death
 
 
+25 # webfoot doug 2011-07-24 14:17
The bombing and massacre in Norway should ring out as a wake-up call to the liberals and progressives of Western Europe and America that the right wing is violent, active, and power hungry.

They hate the Left, government, democracy, and multiculturalis m, as they showed in this attack on government and a Labor Party youth camp as well as many recent acts of violence in America and elsewhere.

We can no longer be passive, for they have contempt for our weakness. Hundreds of bright young liberals and their youth leaders on that Norwegian island failed to take action, rush the killer while he reloaded, and thereby save themselves.

The right wing is heavily armed in the US, for with Obama's election, their demagogues spread the rumor that AG Holder was going to confiscate all their guns, so they went on a weapons-buying spree.

We can't depend on the government, for conservative politicians blocked the attempt to set up a program to monitor right wing "patriot " extremists as we do Islamic extremists."
And as we saw with Big Media's weak coverage of the Norwegian bombing and massacre, they would rather report on Islamist terrorism.

Should liberals, who generally abhor violence, have to resort to arming ourselves to avoid a repeat of the German Nazi's victory of 1933?
 
 
+7 # in deo veritas 2011-07-24 17:39
As each day passes it seems more likely. We have already been forewarned again and again. That is not what is meant by forearmed. As was said in the"unforgiven" movie by Clint Eastwood "he should have armed himself".
 
 
-18 # Diane Johnson 2011-07-24 14:18
Africa, parts of asian, latino, and arab countries have bred till they have crowded themselves out of their own nests. Greedy dictators and foreign corporations stole what was needed to develop infrastructure and enable industry for jobs. So they immigrate by the millions. The population bomb has arrived, and the brutality of the moslem world is not accetable to the west, nor is the illiteracy and other customs of the third world. These people will be on the bottom economically, and a drain on those countries that get too many of them. The mere mention of birth control is taboo and they cannot co exist among more liberl miunded societies. I am of Norwegian background. It has always been a peaceful prosperous, and humane country. But all of Eurpoe is stressed now with the unemployment rates. as we are in the states. some countries are sending them back.. be they gypsies, arabs or africans...ther e,s no more room here either. Now the greedy few are taking us down too. I would like to go back to Norway where no one has to fear their neighbor, or suffer poverty. dj
 
 
+10 # John Gill 2011-07-24 16:15
Diane, my father's people came to the USA from Northern Europe as well, Denmark, in fact. The Northern European "Social Welfare States," have set some wonderful examples for the rest of the world. But let's try to remember that the careful design of these states for the benefit of their citizens had a dark side as well. For example, the work of Norwegian biologist Jon Alfred Mjoen at the Vindern Biologisk Laboratorium in the early 1900s and his works on Eugenics that resulted in legislation aimed at racial purity. Hitler's people modeled many of their racial cleansing programs after those of their northern European neighbors. Many of these eugenics laws remained in effect in countries like Norway and Sweden for decades after WWII. It is a little sad that the beauty of these social welfare programs were intended to benefit only mentally and physically fit Nordic white people, but don't you think it's time we got past that and made an effort to extend those benefits to people of color? Just a thought.
 
 
+1 # Diane Johnson 2011-07-24 19:32
Quoting John Gill:
Diane, my father's people came to the USA from Northern Europe as well, Denmark, in fact. The Northern European "Social Welfare States," have set some wonderful examples for the rest of the world. But let's try to remember that the careful design of these states for the benefit of their citizens had a dark side as well. For example, the work of Norwegian biologist Jon Alfred Mjoen at the Vindern Biologisk Laboratorium in the early 1900s and his works on Eugenics that resulted in legislation aimed at racial purity. Hitler's people modeled many of their racial cleansing programs after those of their northern European neighbors. Many of these eugenics laws remained in effect in countries like Norway and Sweden for decades after WWII. It is a little sad that the beauty of these social welfare programs were intended to benefit only mentally and physically fit Nordic white people, but don't you think it's time we got past that and made an effort to extend those benefits to people of color? Just a thought.

It has nothing to do with race, but with educational levels and cultural clashes ie female genital mutilation, chattel marriages, intolernce of varied faiths.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-24 20:37
Now in America we have wanted Racial cleansing from the day we got off the boats and it came with us from Europe...It doesnot work. In the irony is their cannot be purity as we came from Adam and Eve if we are to believe and that would be out of Africa or Middle East. With the wars, crusades came rape pillage plumder so more gene crossing.
In our stupidity we fail to see it is why we have come as far as we did. If we had stayed racially cleansed we would all be genetically morons or Retarded. Many are due to wanting those class distinctions and marrying into our own kind. But those who progressed we know our heritage was crossed.
Intelligence? Many are called, few are chosen
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 16:23
Why we came as far as we did is because America was a model of ASSIMILATION. You come here, you play by OUR rules. Doing otherwise creates too much infighting, or worse, pandering. Every dollar, every hour spent mollifying some ingrate minority group, is a dollar or an hour we can't spend pushing the country forward!
 
 
-2 # Never Again 2011-07-27 16:26
Some have even gone so far as to say we no longer have ONE Nation of America, we have at least 5 separate nations, each pulling in a different direction.
Black America
Hispanic America
Liberal America
Independent America
Conservative America

Go down the streets of Los Angeles, or Detroit look at all the rape, pillage, and plunder, that you see as a good thing, you won't even know you're still in America, you'll think you're in Mexico, or in the worse areas, Beirut?
 
 
+1 # itchyvet 2011-07-25 00:13
Quoting John Gill:
Diane, my father's people came to the USA from Northern Europe as well, Denmark, in fact. The Northern European "Social Welfare States," have set some wonderful examples for the rest of the world. But let's try to remember that the careful design of these states for the benefit of their citizens had a dark side as well. For example, the work of Norwegian biologist Jon Alfred Mjoen at the Vindern Biologisk Laboratorium in the early 1900s and his works on Eugenics that resulted in legislation aimed at racial purity. Hitler's people modeled many of their racial cleansing programs after those of their northern European neighbors. Many of these eugenics laws remained in effect in countries like Norway and Sweden for decades after WWII. It is a little sad that the beauty of these social welfare programs were intended to benefit only mentally and physically fit Nordic white people, but don't you think it's time we got past that and made an effort to extend those benefits to people of color? Just a thought.

You forget Mr Gill, the U.S. swallowed these Eugenic beliefs as well, to such an extent, forceful sterilisation occured without people's permission.
So it's not just Europe that was in the grip of this evil.
 
 
+4 # in deo veritas 2011-07-24 17:43
A good point! Greedy would-be dictators and our multinational corporations are indeed stifling the crumbling infrastructure and outsourcing our industries as they have been getting away with for decades. What will we do when the borders are closed when we are ready to emigrate?
 
 
+10 # suzyskier 2011-07-24 19:03
Some countries are sending them back--be they gypsies, arabs or africans..
Sounds a little bit like our friend Adoph, and fascist scary. Do not blame the immigrants for the problems, they too only want to have a good life for their families. Blame Wall Street and the Banks and Bush and Bahnor, they are the lackys for the Wealthy Robber Barons we have now.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-24 20:38
Sounds like Arizona
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:29
Yes, they "only want to have a good life for their families", not caring about the other families whom they displace for their good life. Do not the people who built up the country deserve First Crack at the Good Life, rather than the so-called "refugees" who go from, "We're ONLY Here To Work" to "We Will Not Comply" in less than a generation?
If they don't approve of the laws of their new host country, let them find another host whose laws are more palatable to them!
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-24 20:33
Very nice...let those who are ignorant give you thumbs down
I had thought the Eastern Religions of China and Japan would have had the larger impact. But Moslems have a hatred that Equals white Christian so this will be the Gladiator fight of them all.
Sad point is no one wins and the ones who are the peaceniks look the same as those who are evil.
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:57
Look up David Reiff, a guy who has made serious money on preaching pacifism and BOOKS preaching pacifism, he even admits that when pacifists advise AGAINST fighting the bad guys, they are indirectly helping the bad guys. Ironically, this nutcase points out the same things in his "manifesto"!

Here's an interview with Rieff, talking about the necessity of war, in WWII, and to take out Bin Laden
http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j26/dilemma.asp
What's next, a vegetarian admitting meat isn't murder?
 
 
+15 # fredboy 2011-07-24 15:21
The same hate-focused intent is evident throughout the U.S. We can only hope it doesn't explode in similar fashion. Some of us have tried to warn about it since the early '80s.
 
 
-4 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-24 20:38
SWhould have paid attention to the first settlers, they brought it with them
 
 
0 # racetoinfinity 2011-07-25 03:49
It DID LITERALLY explode in Oklahoma City in 1995, tragically ending 168 lives and injuring more than 680.
 
 
+5 # Electricrailwaygod 2011-07-24 15:24
This is very surprising for Norway! In America I can see this sort of thing happening. This sinply due to the disgruntled American public who are sick and tired of the "Corporatocracy " that has been ruling that country for at least four decades!

It has become profoundly more promiment and pronounced within the past 12 years from the begining of the Busg Régime to the present. Obama was "allowed" to serve as the US pres BTW, NEVER hear ONE WORD for the POOR, the working poor, or those disable who CAN'T work! With Halluburton's 29 "detention centres" in the Mid West, these are going to be eventually for the poor of America, the new Nazi style externination camps! Just you wait!

It is this CORPORATE MACHINE that has become the "New World Order". It is THEY who are the coming "world Government".

Don't believe this? Just sit back and watch these events come to pass (shamefully I might add)! The Anders B Breivik's of the world are just the beginning -- and a very dangerous one at that! Time to WAKE UP and see what is REALLY happening! AL Qaida was also a more recent "rehersal" as well! It's all about money and power -- PERIOD!
 
 
+15 # wwway 2011-07-24 15:42
Christian fundamentalist extreemists...M uslim fundamentalist extreemists. Same thing. Religion has to have an enemy to survive. That enemy can be anything or any one, including the strive for peace.
 
 
+1 # racetoinfinity 2011-07-25 03:52
RELIGION has to have more than enemies, but not Spirituality. Religion is pre-rational, thus "my way or the highway to hell (you're damned)" Spirituality is trans-rational and universal.
 
 
+14 # angelfish 2011-07-24 15:54
For the love of GOD, WHY go after the children? This is disgraceful and the perpetrator should pay the ultimate price for his heinous crime!
 
 
+3 # Pickwicky 2011-07-25 16:46
Angel--Slaughte r of the Innocents. It makes for immediate celebrity. Tim McVeigh knew that. Kuwait knew that when they raged about the slaughter of incubator babies by Iraqis (turned out to be false). Moses brought Pharaoh low with the Angel of Death and a slaughter of children. King Herod when told by the Three Magi about a new king's birth ordered the slaughter of all babies under the age of two, according to the New Testament. What is more precious to us than our children? Can't think of much else that would make a greater impact than the intentional murder of many children. The bad guys can't think of much else, either.
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 16:02
There's also the presumption that children are innocent, which is not the case in a lot of less-evolved cultures. Or maybe we have a higher cutoff-age for "children"?

Read National Geographic, pictures of various Third World terrorist utopias, kids as young as 9 playing with AK rifles bigger than they are, or my Dad's tales of 6-year-olds festooned with grenades and sent to kamikaze on American soldiers. If you hesitate to kill it because "It's Just A Child!"(TM), YOU die instead!

Then again, in Third World countries, they have so many children, life isn't as precious as here, right?
 
 
+2 # M. Salo 2011-07-24 16:25
Read:

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m79858&hd=&size=1&l=e

it is interesting
 
 
+9 # M. Salo 2011-07-24 16:38
It happened in left wing political youth's camp but survivors interviewed by Norwegian news and shown in finnish news were all immigrant looking youth, so it can be that the young ones were mostly multicultural/m uslims/immigran ts but it is not telled to audience because the crime is same against norwegian youth and immigrant/multi cultural youth and to prevent more far right attacs. I think, too that the crime is same against norvegian kids and muslim kids. It is absolutely wrong to kill muslim kids for example in Gaza.
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 16:03
Here's an idea: Tell the Moslems in Gaza--and everywhere else--NOT to fire homemade bombs/missiles at the Civilized World, and NOT to give children access to automatic weapons, and NOT to throw rocks at police/soldiers . They are highly-trained, and they WILL respond to attacks!
 
 
+1 # mike/ 2011-07-24 18:04
is this the "new" or the "old" nationalism?
 
 
-5 # MyKisa 2011-07-24 18:26
nothing "far-right" about this act....just far nuts
 
 
+4 # wfalco 2011-07-24 18:55
Breivik is a right wing radical who went over the edge. It appears (in the U.S. and in Europe) that murder and mayhem is now much more likely to be committed by individuals (or groups?) of extreme right politics. Why is that? I would argue their hatred of the "other side" is much greater than those of us on the left (including even the most radical.)

Also the culture of the right is deeply ingrained in paranoia. Those of that intellectual make up sincerely believe they are being attacked culturally, politically, and philosophically . They believe their way (the best way) will be eliminated by "elitist" liberals whose open-mindedness will lead to the extinction of society as they know it.
Also of importance is that those irrational beings have a liking for guns. This is a dangerous mix and its toxic brew will re-occur from time to time. What can be done? Nothing since these individuals pre-disposed to this outrageous, murderous activity. They are incapable of rational discourse. They will always take action in the only way they know how.
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 17:17
And the Moslem suicide-bombing s--this week, of a Mayor in Afghanistan who held a dual Afghan-American citizenship...H ow are they NOT people incapable of rational discourse, taking action the only way they know how?
 
 
+12 # valerid 2011-07-24 19:08
I think that this article raises more ?? than it answers. Was this a lone nut or an agent provocateur? How are the citizens of Western Democracies continually moved to the right- often by attacks on their own citizens, causing fear and support for stronger policing of the population- ie the Patriot Act after the false flag 9/11 attacks. I hope to see more reporting on this subject as more news comes to light. In Marin, I am watching the right wing propagandists being amazingly effective among certain republican, libertarian, tea party groups-(check out www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org) -it seems easier for people to assume differences, hatreds and to believe incredible distortions about others, believing propaganda they read on the internet, Fox news, or other propaganda machines rather than investigate the claims themselves. A good exp. of this is the hit piece against Bill Gates- ie- he plans to poison people by doing immunizations. I am no fan of Bill Gates, one of the guys behind privatizing our publica education system,and helping to fund aerial spraying for 'climate modification', but when I investigated the show that people were citing about his aims to kill people with immunization shots, his speech had been misrepresented, and twisted to fit the narrative of his attacker-then repeated on several websites. We are easily misled- good and thorough reporting is vital!
 
 
-2 # Never Again 2011-07-27 18:06
That site you linked to contains just enough truth to be scary.

Obama's policies, whether by intent or coincidence, ARE bringing us more in line with the rest of the world, roads and police ARE being defunded, and Obama PERSONALLY cut the budget of the Border Patrol, which indicates he wants to bring US down to the Level of Mexico!

And rhetoric from public and private sources alike are encouraging us to give up nationality and sovereignty and be more global, as if that were somehow a good thing...Hard to tell "left" from "right" anymore, on THAT score!
 
 
+7 # ezwriter61 2011-07-24 22:38
The Republicans are greedy bastards for sure, but listen up! Obama is one with them on Social Security and Medicare/Medica id. He is not the progressive we thought he was. This comes from an article written yesterday by Jeff Cohen in Common Dreams:

---In 2006, a relatively new Senator Obama was the only senator to speak at the inaugural gathering of the Alexander Hamilton Project launched by Wall Street Democrats like Robert Rubin and Roger Altman, Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary and deputy secretary. Obama praised them as “innovative, thoughtful policymakers.” (It was Rubin’s crusade to deregulate Wall Street in the late ‘90s that led directly to the economic meltdown of 2008 and our current crisis.)

---In early 2007, way before he was a presidential frontrunner, candidate Obama was raising more money from Wall Street interests than all other candidates, including New York presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani.

---In June 2008, as soon as Hillary ended her campaign, Obama went on CNBC, shunned the “populist” label and announced: “Look: I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market.” He packed his economic team with Wall Street friends -- choosing one of Bill Clinton’s Wall Street deregulators, Larry Summers, as his top economic advisor.
 
 
+3 # racetoinfinity 2011-07-25 03:53
Thank you!
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:39
Thank you for pointing that out, ezwriter, but there's another thread for talking about Obama's inconsistent economic policies.
 
 
+10 # ezwriter61 2011-07-24 22:40
Obama, who is one with the R's on Medicare/Medica id/Social Security, was also quoted by Cohen as saying:

---A year into his presidency, in a bizarre but revealing interview with Business Week, Obama was asked about huge bonuses just received by two CEOs of Wall Street firms bailed out by taxpayers. He responded that he didn’t “begrudge” the $17 million bonus to J.P. Mogan’s CEO or the $9 million to Goldman Sachs’ CEO: “I know both those guys, they are very savvy businessmen,” said Obama. “I, like most of the American people, don’t begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the free-market system.”

The Supreme Court has seen to it that we are now living in a Corporate State and Congress is all but totally corrupt and working for corporations. We can count the good guys on our hands---Sanders , Kucinich, Franken...a few others. And journalists are supposed to protect us. Our finest journalists today are Bill Maher, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. With few exceptions they are the only ones who speak truth to power.
We are really being screwed over and Obama hasn't once led a fight or exhibited leadership. He stakes out centrist positions and then caves to the right.
The only real journalism left in the U.S. is being done by bloggers.
 
 
+2 # itchyvet 2011-07-25 00:01
IMHO, there is far more going on here with this event, that we are being told.
As a Vietnam veteran, who carried a SLR FN rifle for 13 months with 120 rounds basic Nato rounds, I hafta say, this guy is an incredible marks man, managing to hit AND KILL in excess of 90 people in the time that he did, one kill per round, WOW, and he also managed to walk all over the island at the same time, now I challenge anyone, anywhere, to try to repeat what this guy did, with just ONE person, UNTRAINED in weapons training.
I have sneaking suspicion, they won't be able to repeat the excercise.
I wonder why.
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:36
I too wondered how he got so far, so fast, and with such great accuracy. I've never been able to set up an aim-bot, and I doubt this guy could either, plus those don't work on real-life guns.

Was his gun modified to have a faster recoil and/or reload? Does that work in anything other than the movies?

Presumably, someone else set the bomb? From reading his manifesto, he couldn't put together a ham sandwich without help (Meat goes on the INSIDE!)
 
 
+1 # ARTISTGENERAL 2011-07-25 04:22
HELL'S MEAT PUPPET [aka "Anders Behring Breivik"} dreamed of "a pan-European movement modeled on Tea Party groups." http://t.co/Un6NN2J
 
 
-4 # valerid 2011-07-25 10:45
The news media never asks about the logistics
of mass killings. There is never any talk about the training of the gunman - or the lack thereof. The media report as if guns are magic and just having one empowers lone nuts with super human skills. It doesn't work that way. Not only do guns not kill people, lone nuts with guns don't kill masses of people. Only gunmen with extensive training, logistical support, and/or trigger pulling colleagues have kill rates like the ones in Norway and many, many other scenes of mass shootings. It's time to grow up and stop accepting these fairy tales at face value. check out this link - you just can't deny the insanity of these folks http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/3042.html -people need to wake up- check out this site--from the commonwealth club -these guys are serious criminals -http://commonw ealthclub.org/e vents/2011-03-2 8/man-made-clim ate-change-skie s
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:41
Guns ARE magic! Type in IDKFA and Bigelbow, and you'll suddenly get a mess of guns free!

Just teasing! I know that doesn't work in the real world! This looks like another false-flag, a reason to clamp down on gun-ownership, Internet, and other freedoms the common people have held for so long that we take it for granted...Somet imes, I half-expect Government to undo the Gutenberg, and keep literacy a closely-guarded secret!
 
 
-3 # tonywicher 2011-07-25 13:44
This event was staged. It was state sponsored like all others.qui

Honk?
 
 
-3 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-25 18:37
From friend in Norway whose son is lucky to be alive. the accounts of his killing spree is true. However, I think the need to bring in American Politics is a bit absurd.
Let's listen to CNN as that is the one supposedly as close to truth as you can get and leave the GOP, OB and others in there place and say some prayers for the families of these children.
You all must be so bored with your lives...get involved, their are Organizations and community action that needs help
 
 
+1 # spiritcallsus 2011-07-27 05:36
A good article ... I was trying to read his manifesto but they seem to be yanking it off the internet ... some kind of censorship ?
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:37
I can't find it anymore either, maybe WikiLeaks will republish it, but from reading the first 20 pages, this guy was more cuckoo than a clock-factory, and it extended to his linguistic skills!
 
 
-1 # Never Again 2011-07-27 15:58
Actually, I should qualify my earlier statement, he DOES pad his writing with articles about history, particularly other countries appeasing the bad guys until it was too late, and in these points, he is almost lucid. It's hard to be maniacal about points of public record, I guess?
 

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