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Cole writes: "It is legitimate to criticize Muslim organizations and parties, and to work against violent groups like al-Qaeda. But al-Qaeda is a tiny fringe religious-nationalist movement..."

Women stand outside the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, 08/06/12. (photo: Jeffrey Phelps/AP)
Women stand outside the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, 08/06/12. (photo: Jeffrey Phelps/AP)



White Terrorism at Oak Creek

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

06 August 12

 

e still have only rumors about Wade Michael Page, the gunman who walked into a Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin near Milwaukee and opened fire with a semi-automatic weapon (weapons that should be illegal) on men women and children beginning to gather for a day of worship, singing and feasting. He killed 6 Americans and critically wounded 3 others, including a Wisconsin policeman kneeling to help one of the Sikh victims. Others were more lightly wounded and went to ordinary hospitals rather than to the trauma unit.

Page is said to have served in the military, discharged for misconduct in 1998.

He is said to have had a 9/11 tattoo.

He was in a white supremacist punk band, "End Apathy."

He likely thought he was targeting American Muslims. He operated in an atmosphere of virulent hate speech against American Muslims. A discourse of Islamophobia has plagued the United States in the past decade, pushed by unscrupulous bigots in public life and by entire media organizations such as Fox Cable News and other media properties of billionaire yellow press lord Rupert Murdoch. Among them is also Rush Limbaugh, who, incredibly, is still broadcast to US soldiers abroad.

Among the hatemongers are Frank Gaffney, and his acolyte Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn), Rep. Peter King (R-NY) Daniel Pipes, James Woolsey, Robert Spencer, Steve Emerson, John Bolton, and sometimes Rudi Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and others, most associated with the Republican Party. The push for hate speech against American Muslims is funded by a small group of billionaires through their foundations. Some of the Muslim-haters are connected to the US arms industry and are hoping for profits from further wars in the Middle East. Others are Israel-firster fanatics. Others are looking for a bogey man to scare Americans with, so as to convince them to vote against their interests, as they used Communism during the Cold War to convince ordinary Americans to give up their constitutional rights.

It is legitimate to criticize Muslim organizations and parties, and to work against violent groups like al-Qaeda. But al-Qaeda is a tiny fringe religious-nationalist movement; far fewer Muslims have been involved in it than white southerners have been involved in the Ku Klux Klan. Nevertheless, American politicians at least implicitly attempted to tar all Muslims with its brush. Like anti-Semitism, racist anti-Muslim discourse has illegitimate properties. It shouldn't be acceptable to attribute to Muslims a vast general conspiracy. It shouldn't be acceptable to assert that they are all dishonest and lying about their real beliefs. It shouldn't be acceptable to lie and allege that they believe in casually murdering non-Muslims. Their religious law, or sharia, shouldn't be demonized more than the Talmud or Roman Catholic canon law. It shouldn't be acceptable to accuse them all of waging jihad or holy war.

Since many in the hate-the-Muslims network are closely associated with the campaign of Mitt Romney, reporters should ask Romney again whether he is willing to repudiate this kind of hate speech.

As in Norway, where the Muslim-hating network (fostered also by hateful web sites like "Gates of Vienna," "Elders of Ziyon," and a host of others) deeply influenced mass murderer Anders Breivik, so in the United States the purveying of a negative image of Muslims predictably has resulted in violence. In Norway, Breivik targeted what he called liberals soft on the alleged Muslim menace. In the US, Wade targeted people he thought looked like Muslims, the Sikhs. (Actually I don't know any American Muslims who wear turbans, as observant Sikh men do, but Hollywood stereotypes die hard). As always, hatemongering never only affects the objects of hatred. It distorts and wounds the people who promote it, and it usually spills over onto society in general. Neoconservative anti-Muslim bigots are usually indirectly also promoting anti-Semitism in the long term.

Did Michele Bachmann, Peter King, Daniel Pipes and the others cause the Wisconsin shootings? No. Did they create an intellectual and cultural atmosphere that naturalized such violence against the supposed Other? Well, Bachmann publicly alleged that a minor aide to Hillary Clinton of Pakistani heritage is at the center of a vast infiltration of the American government by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. You decide.

The image emerging of Page is emblematic of America in the past decade and a half. We are a violent country infested by dangerous semi-automatic weapons. Not only do we have far more murders, and especially murders by firearm, than other societies with advanced economies, but we launch far more wars than other such countries, and spend more than the next 20 advanced countries combined on our war industry. The mindset of frontier warriors taming the encircling savages, which goes back to early American history and, later, the legends of the Old West, informs both domestic attitudes and foreign policy. George W. Bush actually talked about the "romance" of fighting the Pushtuns of Afghanistan.

The US mass media suspected that the shooter actually intended to massacre Muslims, and some unfortunately referred to the temple attendees as "innocent," as though a mosque congregation would not have been equally innocent.

Sikhism is a north Indian religion that began with ecstatic worship of a generally monotheistic sort some 500 years ago in India. It is an independent religion whose adherents say its scriptures are divinely revealed. As a historian I'm bound to say that it grows out of the cultural mix of Hinduism, Bhakti (ecstatic popular worship), and Sufi Islam (Muslim mysticism) of Mughal India in the early modern period). It is specially associated with the Punjab region of India (and what is now Pakistan). Sikhs say there are some half a million adherents in the United States, though sociologists assert that the figure is more like 100,000. Sikhs are just wonderful people, and a person's heart is shredded at the idea of this horrible atrocity committed against them.

Sikhs have tall too often been targeted by perpetrators of hate crimes in the US.

The characteristics rumored of the shooter mirror the worst of America in the Bush era and after. The Muslim-hating political discourse, already discussed, was pioneered by Karl Rove in 2006.

As for a mistaken target, the United States government attacked Iraq in 2003 after an insidious propaganda campaign that falsely attributed the September 11, 2001 attacks to the government of Saddam Hussein (a conspiracy theory pushed with special ferocity by then Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, other Neoconservatives tied to the Israeli right wing, and by vice president Dick Cheney). There was never any credible evidence linking Iraq to 9/11 and I said so repeatedly and publicly in 2002 and early 2003. In fact, al-Qaeda was fostered in the 1980s by the United States and its regional allies as a way of pushing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan.

Paranoid "revenge" on Iraq to the extent that some US soldiers in the illegal invasion actually wore pictures of the Twin Towers, the building destroyed by the al-Qaeda hijackers, on their backpacks. I showed in my Engaging the Muslim World that in fact Saddam Hussein was afraid of al-Qaeda and had put out an all points bulletin for a suspected al-Qaeda operative who was rumored to be in Iraq in summer of 2002.

The crazed US invasion of Iraq set off social turmoil that has left tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead and the country still a basket case nine years later. Thousands of Americans were plunged into a quixotic attempt to occupy an Arab Muslim country, forced in many cases into acts of brutality against Iraqi civilians that continue to haunt them. Large numbers of Americans who served in Iraq suffer Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. As the fruitless war ground on, the US army became desperate for recruits, and allegedly increasingly let in members of biker gangs and criminal elements, latter-day Pages. It is horrible to contemplate that our own government, which is terrified of a few Occupy Wall Street hippies, happily gave advanced weapons training and battlefield experience to criminals and white supremacists so as to put down the Iraqi resistance to foreign occupation.

The violence, hatred, paranoia and racism that courses in the subterranean depths of the American psyche has played out on the world stage in the past decade, but also in countless small acts of bigotry and maliciousness at home, as with Rep. Peter King's hearings on the alleged radicalization of the American Muslim community (an IRA supporter himself, has he had any hearings on the radicalization of white people?) and the campaigns by Evangelical politicians to condemn Muslim canon law or sharia or to prevent Muslims from building mosques and worshiping freely.

That we are all victims of this campaign of hate is eloquently underlined by what happened at Oak Creek.

 

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+73 # Lisa Moskow 2012-08-06 09:16
What if all Christians were judged by the very worst of so-called "Christians"?
 
 
-22 # Noni77 2012-08-06 11:10
And the worst of Atheists... Lenin, Stalin....
 
 
+35 # dkonstruction 2012-08-06 12:45
Quoting Noni77:
And the worst of Atheists... Lenin, Stalin....


To put the names of Lenin and Stalin together as you do suggests to me that you have read nor understand either of them. To be clear, i am neither a Stalinist nor a Leninist and never have been but there is a world of difference between what Lenin wrote (and practiced) and what Stalin wrote (though most of his "theoretical" works are believed to have been penned by others) and practiced. At the end of his life, after his strokes and so he was no longer a force in the Soviet Government, Lenin returned to his earlier calls for "all power to the soviets", called for a multi-party system with free elections and warned about turning the reigns of power over to any one individual (whether it was Stalin or Trotsky). He warned about the bureacuratizati on of the new Soviet State which is why he said that power had to be devolved back down to the people at the local level as socialism had promised. All of this can be read in the last 3 pieces that Lenin wrote (and which were supressed by Stalin and not seen until after his death).
 
 
+9 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 16:55
Can't find informed comments like this amongst the freepers, drudgers or Cato heads...tks dkonstruction!
 
 
+13 # Rick Levy 2012-08-06 18:20
Atheists are the most hated minority in America, scorned mostly by those who use Stalin as an red herring argument.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 16:45
We are
 
 
+69 # DaveM 2012-08-06 09:35
Terrorism is terrorism. We forget at our peril the number of white supremacist and related groups in this country and the size of their membership. These groups are very open about their hatreds and, as a rule, very heavily armed and happy to boast about it.

Does anyone remember the Ku Klux Klan? Undoubtedly they hate "Muslims", never minding that Islam is a faith and not a race, along with all of their other traditional targets.
 
 
+14 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-06 13:25
The KKK hates/hated anything not white, or that they BELIEVED non-white, from Jews to Muslims to Hindus... if you had black hair, then the best you might be was 'Eye-talian' ...
they hate anyone they perceive to b e not like them ...
 
 
+7 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 16:49
KKK is alive and well in every part of this USA. Other Groups have skyrocketed out of stupidity that comes from Predators living off of your fears.

But these are the known Haters, there are just as much Hatred in Churches, Temples It is a Human Condition that is eating us alive like Syphillis does Brain just has no room to rethink Humane, Peace.
 
 
+47 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 09:40
Calling this "white" terrorism doesn't get to the heart of the problem.

Calling it CONSERVATIVE terrorism DOES.

Of course, since the victims were Islamic you won't hear much about this being called "terrorism" on tv.
 
 
+49 # Skanner 2012-08-06 10:06
The victims WEREN'T Islamic -- they were Sikhs, an entirely different religion dedicated to peace and harmony. You've got your headgear mixed up.
 
 
-21 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 10:41
My mistake for refering to Sikhs as Muslims. Your mistake for making remarks about headgear, and assuming Islam isn't also dedicated to peace. Look up the meaning of the word "Islam".

My mistake was accidental. Your mistake was bigotry.
 
 
+26 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 11:03
Real quick to judge there Billy Bob. You might want to slow down a bit.
I read Skanner's post and didn't think he was being a bigot.
 
 
+13 # Capn Canard 2012-08-06 12:10
lol, whoa Billy! I have to side with Skanner on this.
 
 
-9 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 16:40
Really? Do you really think it matters to the dead victims of this terrorist attack?
 
 
-21 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 10:47
As the article states, Sikhism includes elements of Sufi Islam. I always thought they were pretty closely related.

According to this web site:

http://www.sikhnet.com/news/sufi-and-sikh

The two are not all that different.
 
 
+26 # Phlippinout 2012-08-06 12:05
I dont give a damn what their religion is, this act is horrible and so what if they include Sufi islam? I think its time to point out the faces of these white supremacists so we will know who our enemies are.
 
 
-20 # JackB 2012-08-06 13:02
That would be profiling & you know how much liberals dislike profiling.
 
 
+16 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-06 13:34
Quoting Billy Bob:
As the article states, Sikhism includes elements of Sufi Islam. I always thought they were pretty closely related.

According to this web site:

http://www.sikhnet.com/news/sufi-and-sikh

The two are not all that different.

Nonsense. Sufism is an [admirable] offshoot of Islam (greatly despised by radical conservative Wahadi (Saudi) Islam by the way.
Sikhism was an attempt to bridge differences between Hinduism and Ondian Islam by Guru Nanak.
To understand some of the current divide between Islam and Sikhism, you might want to read 'Last Train To Pakistan' by Khushwant Singh on the Colonial British self-interested precipitous division of India and its consequences for Sikhs (and Muslims) during partition... .
 
 
-3 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 17:02
Clearly, you have the distinction.
 
 
+8 # madnana 2012-08-07 08:09
We do have the British Raj to thank for that, don't we. How many divisions have our imperialistic ventures fostered? You can tell by the proliferation of hate groups that our country's ethos inspires a sense of white racial superiority and a sense of entitlement for those perceived to be "white" enough, that a sizeable minority believes in the annhilation (sp?) of those of any darker skin color. I appreciate the book reference and will follow up. All this is such a sadness. Why aren't more people of the Christian faith denouncing bigotry?
 
 
0 # Stafft 2012-08-08 05:03
You might want to read American Raj by Eric Margolis. America isn't without dirty hands when it comes to imperialism.
 
 
0 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 17:01
BB...get a grip...please read this comparison...

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Islam_vs_Sikhism
 
 
+3 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-08-07 09:01
Don't foolishly lump Sufis with, say Wahabi Muslims - the difference is as great as, say, that between Southern Baptists & Quakers.
 
 
0 # genierae 2012-08-08 11:06
Excellent comparison!
 
 
+1 # genierae 2012-08-08 11:00
The Sufis are the mystics of Islam, they express its essence. They have a lot in common with the Sikhs. Every great religion has a true center, based on love and truth, it's on the fringe of this core that you find the fanatics who only want power, and will not hesitate to prostitute God to get it.

Here is a fragment of a Rumi poem:

Be empty of worrying.
Think of who created thought!

Why do you stay in prison
when the door is so wide open?

Move outside the tangle of fear-thinking.
Live in silence.

Flow down and down in always
widening rings of being.
 
 
+30 # Trueblue Democrat 2012-08-06 10:15
Quoting Billy Bob:


Of course, since the victims were Islamic you won't hear much about this being called "terrorism" on tv.


Billy Bob, I agree with you that this is conservative terrorism -- though I hate to see the conservatism of, say Teddy Roosevelt, linked to such degenerates as Bachmann, King, Rove and Murdoch.

I can't see how, after reading Cole's article, you can believe that Sikhs are Islamic, but I take your point: terrorists in the mindset of our mega-buck media wear beards and turbans, have dark skins, don't worship the Judeo-Christian god, and generally march to a different drummer.

If, however, the psychopath who blows away a federal building, a school, a movie theater or a house of worship happens to be white, why he's not a terrorist, he's just a guy who went postal and the neighbors simply can't understand how it happened. "He was such a good boy."
 
 
-14 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 10:51
As I explained above to Skanner, Sikhs is apparently closely related to Sufi Islam. It may not be correct to say it's Islamic, but I think it's also incorrect to say to two are unrelated.

I may be wrong. It doesn't really change the point I was making either way.
 
 
+1 # jwb110 2012-08-06 19:21
Quoting Billy Bob:
As I explained above to Skanner, Sikhs is apparently closely related to Sufi Islam. It may not be correct to say it's Islamic, but I think it's also incorrect to say to two are unrelated.

I may be wrong. It doesn't really change the point I was making either way.

Sufism is more closely connected to Hindu religion.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 16:56
Media called him Terrorist as did local FBI and Police
 
 
+9 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-06 13:29
I'm afraid it does --- it is not 'conservative' anything, but mindless right wing radical extremist fear-mongering and self-delusion as in Rush Limbaugh and Faux Noise spewings and Republican lies and propaganda.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 16:52
The Supremist that shot up the Sikh in Wisconsin is being called a Terrorist. It was told he owned guns that took multi rounds, that he had his own group and blog that spread word of hate, and he was in the ARMY so Media does come forward but then like the idiot who shot that teen it will all be swept under the table. Investigations done and shut.

Lots of Terrorists in America and everywhere else. Man Loves Killing
 
 
+22 # Larry 2012-08-06 10:17
Um, I guess Wayne Le Pierre is right. Guns don't kill people. Only people (the legions of deranged, violent, criminal, hate-filled, socio-psychopat hic, delusional, suicidal-self-d estructive, panicky, desperate, people) with easy access, legal and otherwise, to weapons--includ ing para-military assault weapons--kill people, every day. Just magically get rid of all those people, and the problem is solved!

Meanwhile, might I recommend matching, beautifully tailored Kevlar jackets and slacks for those trips to the store, office, factory, theater, school, mall, church, mosque, political rally . . . ?

Yeah, Wayne!!
 
 
+20 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 10:52
GREAT COMMENT! I wonder where all the "guns don't kill people" people are today.
 
 
+20 # Linda 2012-08-06 11:29
Oh just wait the NRA bloggers will be on this just as they are every other mass murder committed by a deranged imbecile who so easily acquired a weapon !

Mr. Cole you told it like it is ! Those you named and the christian right and their pastors who rev up the bigotry and hate meter are responsible for this atmosphere of hate and bigotry that feeds the minds of these terrorists that commit these murders !
 
 
+1 # deadhead69 2012-08-06 13:53
Well, Larry -- you're partly right. The new slogan (now that we have a bona fide white supremacist who is simply spouting "opinion" in his fine oevre as a suspect . . .) is: "Guns & words don't kill people . . . people kill . . . etc etc etc . . ."
 
 
+29 # newsmom 2012-08-06 10:17
bigotry is part of our national DNA. it's the stain that will no wash out. coded rhetoric sure doesn't help. alas, more of "them" vote. and "they" vote in crazy people filled with anger and bigotry. it's a bad combo, and fertile ground for hate crimes.
 
 
+5 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 10:18
I seem to find myself in this 'conspiracy theory' mindset lately...the Colorada theater shooting had witnesses claiming multiple participants and now here is a quick one minute interview on local tv with a son of a victim who quotes both his parents, who were victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYCurbSAsd4&feature=player_embedded

too much smoke and too many quacking sounds if ya ask me.

Again...Sadly brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department Department.
 
 
+12 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 10:53
I think the NRA was a participant.
 
 
-3 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 11:21
ahem...facile bait there BB.
 
 
+25 # Buddha 2012-08-06 10:20
Those who demagogue up an issue and stir the pot of intolerance and hatred will never accept responsibility for actions of the nut-jobs that their McCarthyist hate-mongering stirs up.
 
 
+2 # mdhome 2012-08-07 14:41
Michelle Bachmann, Rush Limpburger, Karl Rove, and the like are egging on this type of person, until we start locking up the crazies, I predict it will continue.
 
 
+3 # RobertMStahl 2012-08-06 10:25
The Al-Qaeda storyline is anything but truthful since 9/11. An actual translation of the origing of the word, Al-Qaeda comes from the drug cartels for the software used to launder the money, meaning "The Base." It is parallel processing software so simple a smart second grade student could program it. What is more indicative in terms of the Old Guard that uses this type of Darwinistic force for covert activities is how pervasive it is within ecological niches, like following the money, preventing subways from crashing in Tokyo, and developing existing oil and gas fields. For the technology of AI that fits into a spreadsheet format, it only functions, and learns, in the environment is was programmed to operate in. In any event, look up Indira Singh. Know something of the data manipulation that Tommy Tamm of the FBI introduced. And find out about Bluffdale, Utah coming on line in September, equivalent to a nuclear detonation in the landscape of the surveillance state we have entered as of 9/11. William Binney is about as knowledgeable and simple as it gets.
 
 
0 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 11:24
I am considerably baffled and truly disturbed by the red thumb-heads who did you regarding this post...it is pure and simple truth.
 
 
+18 # Ed 2012-08-06 10:32
Yes indeed, a Western “society” in which prejudice and bigotry are fomented and propagated to the benefit of the elitists who profit both politically and economically. The killers and the killed share one thing, they are working class. Divide and conquer, keep us fighting amongst ourselves, it matters not who lives and dies, all such transactions make a net contribution to coffers of the ruling classes and their henchmen.
 
 
+9 # dkonstruction 2012-08-06 10:50
This was a heinous hate-crime pure and simple. It was murder. The only thing to be gained by labeling it "terrorism" is to bolster US (and the other nation states) propaganda that terrorism is only committed by individuals and not by states (countries) and continues to be used by our government to justify the endless expansion of the national security state. I don't think it serves us well to buy into this nonsense and so i don't see what is to be gained by trying to label this incident as "terrorism" whether white, black, green or blue.
 
 
+15 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 11:03
If the murderer was of Middle-Eastern origin you can bet this act would be labelled "terrorism".

Calling it "terrorism" serves the purpose of asking what the definition of terrorism actually is. I also think the guy who shot Giffords was a terrorist, as was timothy mcveigh.

There's a blurry line of distinction between "war", "terrorism", and "murder". That line is too often defined by people with a specific political agenda to mold and manipulate the opinions of the general public.

That's why we refer to the rebels trying to oust the U.S. military from Iraq and Afghanistan as "insurgents". There are too many positive connotations to the word "rebel" in the conservative American mindset. So, they've been avoided with a euphemism.

The language used in these situations is always applied very selectively. I like the idea of calling this a terrorist act, because it puts a mirror in front of people who are just a little too confident in their own self-righteousn ess.
 
 
-2 # JackB 2012-08-06 20:40
It is being called an act of terrorism. However your argument that if the act was committed by a Middle Eastern person it would be labeled a terrorist action is not necessarily true.

Divine Barry will not let the Fort Hood massacre be called a terrorist action. Workplace violence.
 
 
+6 # golden.peek.a.pom 2012-08-06 12:59
Perhaps there is a legal reason for characterizing the act as one of terrorism.

If a federal law is violated, this will give the federal government jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute as opposed to the local and state government.
 
 
+23 # curmudgeon 2012-08-06 10:57
Juan Cole is dead on with his comments.

The hate is everywhere against Muslims - Rove & Company's campaign has borne bitter fruit.

Stores have been boycotted for carrying Halal-labeled foods. Halal Coleman products at Costco.

Muslim groups are subject to additional conditions than other groups if attempting to hold events at theme parks like Great America. Muslim Unity Day at Great America
 
 
+1 # cordleycoit 2012-08-06 10:58
Sikhs are not Muslim they are Hindu. The killer is a right wing sick person. We will always have mass killers as long as we have no mental health treatment there will be more. The deranged and ill are wandering our streets and there appears to be no help available to those smitten with disease. Working people and minorities should have arms available. Remember William Worthy. Self defense is a right. Question the intelligence and motive of those who would disarm you.
 
 
+11 # Cassandra2012 2012-08-06 13:42
Sikhs are Sikhs, not Hindu [thoug historically many of them were Warrior caste Hindus), nor Muslim. They are 'students' (sikh-na = to learn) of peaceful meditation, with a single God, AND AN OPEN DOOR (GURUDWARA = DOOR TO THE GURU) ...ETC.
They are not angels, and have some cults of their own including the militant one who managed to kill Indira Gandhi...) BUT in no way did they deserve to ber targeted and attacked by mindless "Christian" white supremacist zealots, like the poor Sikh in Arizona 'mistaken' for a Muslim. [Nor shoudl Muslims, Jews or Sikhs et al be targeted in any way for their DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
These white supremacists are colossally ingorant, and easily lead by Rovian tactics and big-mouthed liars likle Rush L. and Faux "News" ... .
 
 
+10 # moby doug 2012-08-06 15:01
thanks, Cassandra, for remembering the Sikh murdered by an Arizona moron during the xenophobic hysteria which swept this nation right after 9/11. The level of ignorance of this lunatic, heavily-armed, rightwing loose cannons is breathtaking. But it makes them perfect listeners to hatemongers like Rush, Billy O, Hannity, Coulter, etc. And yes, feverish rightwing hate talk on the media always raises the probability of actual murders in the community. Same thing happened in Tucson before the Giffords massacre, and in Dallas before the Kennedy assassination.
 
 
-9 # Noni77 2012-08-06 11:07
Sikhs are very decent people, not Muslims in any respect, this is a tragedy. We are beginning to look like the Middle East where Muslims slaughter Christians at will. Perhaps these two cultures should not try to blend, they are entirely incompatible based on Biblical and Islamic teachings. People who think they can facilitate multiculturalis m without understanding the basics of each culture insist upon combining nitro and glycerin and "shaking". Then they act surprised?
 
 
+10 # drshafer 2012-08-06 12:26
Except for extremists, the vast majority of Muslims (like the vast majority of Christians, Confucians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Non-religious, primal-indigeno us, Sikhs, Taoists, and Wiccans) are "decent people" worthy of support and respect. If the victims had been of any other faith or none, their murder would have been a tragedy. Even more importantly, unless one is a soldier following orders, it is both immoral and illegal to kill others, even those who are legitimately considered evil, unless one acts in self-defense or to protect another from imminent danger.
 
 
+1 # Doubter 2012-08-06 22:16
"Following orders" was not valid at
Nuremberg!
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 17:08
Not Muslim in any respect...lil bit of bigotry in that remark. I do not see Muslims in the US killing us...and I will not buy the bs of 9/11, that was an inside job.

Muslims like the Jews and Christians are Human, Holy Book similar. They all have revenge underlined. But not all Muslims are evil. I believe bunching them in a category is not any way to get moving on Peace.

I believe People should integrate in Faith and Culture. However, man will always find someone to scorn, ridicule and hate...what else would those with Hate in their Hearts do. Want to give me a clue?
 
 
+4 # Citizen Mike 2012-08-06 11:08
It is a huge mistake to confuse Sikhs with Moslems, they are opposed to each other. Moslem fanatics horribly murdered the founder of the Sikh religion, Guru Nanak, so the Sikhs have a legitimate grudge against Islam.

Sikhs are monotheists and the object venerated at the center of their temple is their book of holy law, similar to the Jewish veneration of the Torah. We should regard these people as friends and allies and not confuse them with our enemies!
 
 
0 # Nel 2012-08-06 11:22
Where is the ADL?
 
 
+1 # Ed 2012-08-07 02:51
Quoting Nel:
Where is the ADL?


Well, the ADL cite in its mission statement that “…its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens…”.

It is, therefore, a challenge to reconcile these fine words with Israel’s policies of administrative detention and Gaza apartheid, along with its redacted take on the UN Human Rights Charter.

Perhaps the ADL should re-write its mission statement along the lines of “…all men are born equal, but some are born more equal than others…”.
 
 
+6 # pvonc4o1 2012-08-06 11:29
Excellent article. However the statement "It is legitimate to criticize Muslim organizations and parties, and to work against violent groups like al-Qaeda", taken in context might be OK, however, it sounds like you are saying it is OK to be against Muslims which is not what you wanted to say.
 
 
+6 # bmiluski 2012-08-06 11:47
The difference between spirutuality and religion is:

Sprituality is the search for knowledge and enlightenment.
Religion is the search for reward.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 17:09
Religion = Money
 
 
+11 # Vonney 2012-08-06 12:55
I really think we are getting off track by discussing the differences in religion when the entire problem is a group of bullying white males who think they are God! These are America's terrorists, and I think the military should come home and round up all of them...maybe imprison them somewhere where they won't hurt anyone but each other. Put AZ's Sheriff Arpaio in charge of them. I don't know of any ethnic group, male or female, who has created more fear and loathing in this country than white male gun owners, NRA members, dittoheads and devotees of Rupert Murdoch, Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman. As far back as the Oklahmoma Massacre I've said it a million times that radio hotheads like Limbaugh and G Gordon LIddy created and encouraged the criminals who kill innocent people. We are letting LImbaugh and the militia destroy this country.
 
 
+13 # humanmancalvin 2012-08-06 12:57
The unrelenting hate shown Muslims of all walks of life by a large contingent of American citizens, politicians, on-air personalities,e tc.,makes me absolutely embarrassed to be part of this backward country. Up until recently, I spent a good deal of time traveling/livin g in Europe. There were many occasions when it was wise, to avoid arguments or even serious physical repercussions to say that I was Canadian.
As an American Indian whose people were almost decimated by bigoted white American citizens,I feel the pain & the humiliation that those targeted must feel when painted by such a large, ugly, brush of hate. It is particularly galling when an elected US official (ala M. Bachman) is the spewer of this poisonous hate. It is expected by the likes of con men & showmen for money like Beck or Limbaugh, but when a representative of the government is the catalyst for this behavior it makes me doubly ill. What is wrong with the voters of Bachmans district? Do all of them actually agree with this purveyor of filth? Do they actually believe the nonsensical garbage that spits out of her mouth?
I hope that somehow, Muslim people realize that far from all Americans join in on the hate parade. This is/was the United Staes of America, the supposed melting pot. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." No doubt these bigots would like to see that wonderful inscription erased.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 17:12
We embarass ourselves with every war. Ask the Japanese about the determent camps akin in some reality to Nazis.

Everyone is a Heathen...live with it.

I have never met so many bigots as I see on blogs. They believe themselves not to be.

No one is White. Religion was formed to keep the Masses in Control.
 
 
+1 # in deo veritas 2012-08-06 13:21
Good point made that Rummy needs to repudiate these hate groups and indivudals like Rove and Bachmann who are opposed to everything decent about America. They are terrorist accoimplices. Note that Rummy is even avoiding taking a stand regarding gay mariage. He stands for nothing including truth. The vicious degenerates perpetrating these acts need to be taken out by any and all means necessary. They are a disease that is highly contagious to the weak-minded. The thought of any of them being taken alive and incarcerated for life at OUR expense is repugnant and intolerable. That is what the Tucson murderer is plea-bargaining for.Mercy should be reserved for those deserving of it.
 
 
+4 # WestWinds 2012-08-06 13:45
Hate mongering is just a method of (1) expressing fear that (2) some other group will prevail. What's at the bottom of all of this is White-Anglo-Sax on-Protestant males who are afraid of the growing numbers of people residing in this country who are not WASPs.

Every single one of the 17 greedy old men who are pulling the eco-politico strings these days belong to this club. Which, to my mind, is a soft-sell version of the Ku Klux Klan. And...
 
 
+5 # WestWinds 2012-08-06 13:47
If we look at the history of white males in this country, we see that they have been putting down women and persons of color as long as this country has existed. Women are second class citizens even in the twenty-first century.

White males covet the ability to have UNFAIR leverage against and OVER all other races, and this includes women (remember the famous announcement several years from the Christian Coalition of Southern Baptist Churches? That they had "taken a vote and decided that ALL women shall submit to the men."?) This is how white males of the Right-wing persuasion roll. Have a look at Sheriff Arpaio for a working model of said same.

The problem for the country is, weak minded people who need authoritarian figures are attracted to all of this posturing, hate mongering, rhetoric but don't have the common sense to realize it is wrong and not to get involved.

I live in the south and I find this particularly true of Bible states. They have been taught that this skin-head attitude is manly and godly.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 17:16
I find the stupidity level of the Bible Belt all the way to NY with the interpretation that Women are things and abuse is okay.

I found that in New England, women were not put on pedestals but appreciated for the work they did. My Family had regard for women, no abuse in immediate.

But the hate came here on the boats, as it was in many countries of Europe and the Middle East, East, Africa. It follows us and weighs us down.
 
 
+3 # Noni77 2012-08-06 18:29
As compared of course to the non-prejudiced, Middle Eastern males, African tribal males, Asian males, South American/Hispan ic males, etc. No, wait... Hmmmm.
 
 
+4 # Texas Aggie 2012-08-06 14:03
Given that this Page person was a Nazi, I doubt it much matters the religion of his victims. To him it's enough that they are brown skinned outsiders. As long as they aren't blue eyed and blond haired, they don't belong in "decent" society, and he feels justified in killing them.
 
 
+10 # midwestgirl 2012-08-06 16:18
Seems to me that if you are against racist profiling, you should not be stereotyping this incident as "white" terrorism. Inflammatory titles may get lots of web hits but they help polarize rather than educate when they are as guilty of the racism the author claims to be against. All white people are no more guilty of this crime than all Muslims are guilty for acts committed by Islamic extremists, or all black people are for the genocide in Rwanda or domestic inner city crime. Far more accurate to call it Neo-Nazi terroism. Nor is the wholesale lumping in of all Republicans past and present as culture warriors accurate. How about talking about today's conservative party's betrayal of its roots as a party of reform and social justice (I know its hard to remember) and fiscal responsibility, rather than xenophobic mania married to fiscal suicide. And the Democrats, including the current adminstration, have been more than willing to fan the flames of xenophobia and fiscal suicide when it suits them politically and helps their wealthy contributors. As Gore Vidal said, we have only one poltical party in this country and it is the Property Party. Follow the money Juan to find the perpetrators of the divide and conquer culture war that is being waged against ALL the people of this country and the world, regardless of color or creed. Its the same jerks that its always been. Stop supporting the left/right meme that just keeps the 99% fighting amongst ourselves.
 
 
+3 # Noni77 2012-08-06 18:25
Bull's eye!!! Bravo!
 
 
-2 # humactdoc 2012-08-06 16:23
Whitists?
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 16:31
I promise this will be my last comment and then I'll stay out of it since it's pretty obvious my opinion isn't wanted.

I made the comment that this person is a terrorist and a right-wing one at that. You'd think that, given the fact that most of the readers of this article are probably left-wing, there would be some agreement with me - at least for the intention of what I said, even if one disagrees with one of the details of my comment.

I find it interesting that the whole conversation broke down into an argument about comparative religion with everyone attacking everyone else. I consider this a huge problem. I honestly don't think it's possible for any left-winger to or moderate to represent the left in this country. This is why 3rd parties are a false panacaea. We are so busy tearing each other apart over details and what we think are the hidden intentions of other anonymous people commenting on the internet that we lose sight of the very real danger our country is in from a right-wing fringe that is cohesive, well organized, and able to get along within it's own ranks. It’s authoritarian, afterall.

I apologize for calling Sichs Muslims as though they were a sect of Islam rather than another Middle-Eastern religion that considers itself closely related to Sufism (an Islamic sect).

That doesn't mean I agree with the terrorist. If you read my original comment that would be obvious.

CONT.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-08-06 16:36
CONT.

It may not exactly be "nitpicking" but it does seem like these conversations often lose sight of the forest for the trees.

I've noticed lately that, unless you're against gun control, there's a pretty good chance you won't even bother to comment on a thread that concerns that issue. The anti-gun control folks have completely dominated those threads and made it impossible to get a word in. They don't care how many thumbs down they get for it, just so long as no one else chimes in. And not as many people bother to.

I've also noticed lately the amount of arguing everyone does over every little detail that might have been overlooked or incorrectly stated by someone else they basically agree with. If you accidentally cut someone off on the road, and they run you off the road and put a gun to your head, the last thing you expect is your spouse taking their side, because afterall, you did cut them off. In other words, with political alies like this, who needs Karl Rove?

I hate to say it, but I hope none of us is ever on a sinking ship with a bunch of liberals (sorry, "PROGRESSIVES", “liberal” is a naughty word). As the ship is sinking, rather than saving each other we'll be arguing over who's fault it was, or what really caused it.

Once again, I apologize for any of my opinions that have offended anybody. But, this is getting tiresome.
 
 
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 17:23
Points taken We do get caught up. But who cares the Religion...Blod d Thirsty comes with the Fact we are Humans and just waiting for an excuse to Kill, Start Wars...and yes argue. Arguments is what usually got people killed, still are.
 
 
-1 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 17:30
you can also clear the candles from your upper lip...

You point many fingers BB, as if some resolve is even possible here...I find the back and forth stimulating to some degree, informative and a great reflection for clarifying my own points of view...

Considering we have COMPLETELY changed our culture since 2001, and what we seem to be fearing is some idea from a bunch of 8th cnetury believers in their specific cause.

(cont)
 
 
-1 # paulrevere 2012-08-06 17:34
(part 2)
I think this take makes much sense:
The world's largest army... America 's hunters!
I had never thought about this...

A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:
There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin.
>
Allow me to restate that number:
Over the last several months, Wisconsin's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world. More men under arms than in Iran . More than France and Germany combined.
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These men deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.
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That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan's 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home safely. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.
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And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It's millions more.
The point?
America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower Hunting....
it's not just a way to fill the freezer..It's a matter of national security.
I just don't see that WETHEPEOPLE are participating in a sane exchange of our freedoms for all this insane and oppressive implementation of 'security'.
 
 
0 # Doubter 2012-08-10 11:23
Were it so (that hunters with rifles were the equivalent of an army) but I don't think they can save us from repression by our militarized police state.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-08-06 17:37
Muslims...funny thing is they have been around forever. Doing their thing. We got upset when African-America ns wanted to feel Independent of being just an American ans wanted to take pride in their Heritage We made a fuss, Media didnot stop so the hatred was stirred.
The Movement of 60's and 70's took a different road, Media got bored. Whites, Blacks, Hispanics were getting along, and Asian Culture was getting blamed for gangs, drugs because we needed Heathen Group.
Then influx of Indian, Pakistan, Afghanistan culture comes here and new hatred is born. They come buy our stores etc so the gossip starts. Many of those who came were Christian but that was not important...the y were different than us. They all live together, etc.
Then Bush/Cheney group needed something big so they got 9/11. Now new group arises....Al Qaeda. What a glorious day for the Media and of course the Rethugs. Someone to blame, someone to stir up new hatred. Now we can fester the old hatred of blacks up, Hispanic culture, now we have Middle East also.
Sad thing is I cannot tell the Middle Eastern from Pakistanian or Jewish Person. They all look the same, they all act a bit different than we do. Again they all clan up together...prob ably for safety.

Al Qaeda...we needed them, they fueled a fire that was ebbing away with everyone working, going places. Let us thank the Bush's for the Fuel along with Media. Most of you would not know the difference either
 
 
-1 # RMDC 2012-08-07 01:53
Sometimes I think "white" is synonymous with "terrorism." White have been terrorizing people with darker skins for about 500 years and they show no signs of stopping.

Back in the 70s there was a lot of writing about the psychopathology of racism. Race hatred was seen as a mental disorder particularly afflicting whites, mostly for cultural reasons. Since the 70s we've started to think that all psychopathologi es are organic rather than cultural. Too bad. Now it is harder to understand the hatred that many whites have for all other cultures.

"White psychopath kills innocent Sikhs." No news here. That happens many times every day. Whites kill others every day.
 
 
+1 # hondacivic21218 2012-08-07 09:28
WHY ARE THERE NO FEMALE MASS MURDERERS?
WHY ARE THEY ALL MALES AND, IN THIS COUNTRY, PRIMARILY WHITE MALES? ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS IS THE BEGINNING OF UNDERSTANDING WHY SUCH EVENTS OCCUR.
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-08-07 14:26
Quoting hondacivic21218:
WHY ARE THERE NO FEMALE MASS MURDERERS?
WHY ARE THEY ALL MALES AND, IN THIS COUNTRY, PRIMARILY WHITE MALES? ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS IS THE BEGINNING OF UNDERSTANDING WHY SUCH EVENTS OCCUR.


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/index.html

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/female_mass_murderer/1.html

maybe the rest are just "better" and smarter than the rest and haven't been caught?
 
 
+1 # Kwelinyingi 2012-08-08 05:26
When Mitt Romney commits a Freudian blunder in calling Sikhs "Sheiks", our ignorance does us in. For racism and ignorance are inseparable. Enough said.
 

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