Singal writes: "If the police video of George Zimmerman being taken into questioning shows what it appears to show, if Zimmerman really was devoid of the injuries that had been so feverishly and eagerly recounted by his defenders, then we have on our hands an absolutely catastrophic failure on the part of the media..."
Screenshot of George Zimmerman, the man who killed Trayvon Martin, being taken in for questioning by police. (photo: ABC News)
George Zimmerman Video Outrage: Where Are Injuries From Trayvon Fight?
29 March 12
f the police video of George Zimmerman being taken into questioning shows what it appears to show, if Zimmerman really was devoid of the injuries that had been so feverishly and eagerly recounted by his defenders, then we have on our hands an absolutely catastrophic failure on the part of the media, and one of the most dramatic, devastating examples in recent memory of the Internet’s power to decide “the facts” long before anyone has a clue what they are.
In the eyes of many, the story about how Zimmerman came to shoot Florida teen Trayvon Martin had taken a sharp turn into Zimmerman-friendly territory this week. “With a single punch,” the Orlando Sentinel reported Monday, “Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told” the paper.
As Allison Samuels pointed out the next day, there were reasons to be skeptical of this account. Zimmerman’s call to 911 clearly revealed that he had been following Martin, and Martin’s girlfriend said she had been on the phone with him immediately prior to the incident, that she had encouraged Martin to run from the man following him, and that right before the shooting Martin had asked Zimmerman why he was being pursued. (Phone records obtained by ABC confirmed that Martin and his girlfriend had been talking right before the shooting.)
But none of these questions - which, it should be said, didn’t necessarily invalidate Zimmerman’s claims - mattered to the millions of people who had a eureka moment as they read the latest twist: of course Martin was the aggressor! They clicked eagerly, and soon a variety of ostensibly damning facts about Martin were racing around the Internet: not only the Sentinel story, but also Martin’s tweets (which show him to be guilty of nothing more serious than being a teenager) and reports that he had been found with trace amounts of marijuana and possibly stolen jewelry in his bag at school.
None of these facts had any bearing on the case at hand, of course, nor did they change what we know to be true (almost all of which comes from Zimmerman’s 911 call). But a sizable chunk of America reflexively decided that Zimmerman had defended himself against a dangerous, suspicious black teen, and they urgently spread the word. This wasn’t restricted to anonymous bomb throwers; the respectable right chimed in as well. Victor Davis Hanson, considered a conservative intellectual, wrote: “Martin is emerging not quite as a model pre-teen, Skittle-eating student with a slight truancy problem, but as a 6 foot 2 inch teen with troubled Twitter allusions to criminal activity, an obscene n-word Twitter ID, and suspensions entailing possible drug use and theft.”
Of course, that Zimmerman likely outweighed Martin by 50 pounds or more, or that the worst “criminal activity” alluded to in the Twitter account was smoking pot, or that a black teenager has a different relationship to the n-word than a middle-aged white pundit, or that Martin was not suspended for theft but for possessing trace amounts of marijuana didn’t matter. No. What mattered was that this version of events was so much more palatable and digestible than the notion that race had played a part in the death of an unarmed black teen (which is so...liberal). And that’s why the story festered and spread like a virus.
It’s a profound failure of our information environment, and it can be traced in part to a lack of skepticism. In retrospect, there was so little reason for the Zimmerman account to have changed anyone’s view of the case. Neither he nor the Sanford Police Department were disinterested observers. He, after all, was facing potential murder or manslaughter charges, and the department was shielding itself from a nationwide barrage of criticism for not arresting him.
But that’s the problem with the hyperconnected age: the Internet may not make us more prone to spreading or believing rumors, but it compounds the power of these tendencies exponentially.
The disconnect between the police report and the footage screams for an explanation.
We still, after all this noise, don’t have a good idea of exactly what happened immediately prior to the shooting. There are twists yet to come and questions yet to be answered. The official police report did, after all, say of Zimmerman that “his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.” The disconnect between this report and the footage screams for an explanation.
It seems like an impossible thing to ask for at this point, given how irresistible and politicized the lure of speculation has become, but a bit of humility is called for. Over and over, we find out that what we “know” isn’t really what we know. The answer is to shut up and wait until real-life, empirically verified facts - not the viral facsimiles that so easily take their place in moments of tragedy or confusion or racial panic - come in. But don’t hold your breath.
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It looks like evidence tampering after the fact may be the story here. It would explain why no arrest - no one wanted to report it in writing and sign it.
Secondly, why wasn't there more of an effort to locate this kid's parents. Three days--did I hear that correctly. After all, they had a cell phone to check. Most people don't password protect their cell phone. Couldn't be that hard. All they had to do was call the last numbers to backtrack.
Secondly, Zimmerman wasn't following the rules for a Neighboorhood Watch participant. He shouldn't follow (stalk) anyone, he had no distinguishing clothing, plus he was armed and not working in a team. Should have stayed in the car and left his gun there.
he cleaned up awfully well after that encounter.
Depending on the state he should be able to have the whole thing sealed or expunged in time and off his record.
As for the size and hight differnce between Zimmerman and Martin while Martin was a teenager he still had a significant hieght difference and advantage in strength and youth especially since he was a football player.
Zimmerman is almost 30 and looks substantially out of shape compared to a strong 17 y/o. martin is not the cute little 12 y/o that seems to keep flashing everywhere.
Media outlets need to stop broadcasting every little detail that's leaked and then is twisted by supporters on either side. While i believe Zimmerman made a very bad judgement call, Martin is not the paragon of sainthood that his family keeps saying he was with back up voices from jesse jackson, Al Sharpton and local lawmakers who are using this to further thier own agendas. heck the kids own parents trademarked thier son's name reasons being obvious and am sure suggested by thier lawyer.
Let the police finish thier investigation and if it's not on the level have the state get involved. The Feds don't need to get involved unless they are going to start applying hate crime laws equally and boy that would just screw alot of people up other than whites wouldn't it?
As for the state investigating the actions of the police, you haven't been following this too closely or you would be aware that the state attorney's office has already rubber stamped the police actions.
shootings are never rubber stamped, go shoot some one and tell me how it works out for you.
WHY IS THAT?
What evidence do you have of Zimmerman's injuries other than his word? It's his word vs. the word of Trayvon Martin's ghost. We KNOW Martin was shot to death. We don't know AT ALL that Zimmerman was injured. In fact, we have NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that he was injured.
About the height difference, Martin certainly was a bigger target than he would have been if he was a smaller target.
Zimmerman is also not the pudgy guy in the mug shot from when he beat his wife. He's in shape now. Not that that matters. He had the gun and Martin didn't run away fast enough.
How many rape victims and murder victims need to be the "paragon of sainthood" in order to get their case to trial?
What would be the basis of applying a hate crime investigation against Martin? What is your evidence that Martin was guilty of ANYTHING on the night he was shot to death by the stranger who stalked him with a deadly weapon and shot him to death?
If you don't have to be an innocent person to get your case heard, what is the reason for bringing up inconsequential comments that have nothing to do with the case?
Michael S. Cullen, Berlin, Germany
Sorry, people of color or little or no means, or unconnected with the local power structure [Zimmerman's dad is a judge] never get a fair trial in the World's Largest Prison Camp; depending on the "system" to bring just-us in any case involving race is like expecting jackals to become vegetarians.
Perhaps the only good that will come from this is that similar laws to the one passed in Florida will not be passed in other states.
Are you telling me you don't listen to FOX NEWS?!?
Apparently EMTs can suddenly UN-break a nose too, huh? The did a good job cleaning all the stains off of his shirt. Are you refering to the EMT laundry service? Why couldn't they afford bandages to put on him?
From the looks of the video, there wasn't anything for them to clean up except the police report.
Failure of the news media in a racially charged situation? What else is new.
Misinformation on the internet? The internet is the greatest force-multiplie r of misinformation ever invented.
So the critical questions are: Does the Sanford PD have a CSI unit or team? Were they called to the scene? Was Zimmerman photographed by a CSI tech at the scene of the incident, BEFORE any EMT's worked on him? Why wasn't his head bandaged, or his alleged "broken" nose? Was blood evidence collected by the police?
If such evidence exists, it will eventually surface, assuming an objective investigation is being run. If not, then either Zimmerman is lying, the investigation is being/has been screwed up, and/or the Sanford police have every reason to cover-up their incompetence, or worse criminal complicity in protecting him.
In a key scene from HBO's "Game Change", Woody Harrelson as Steve Schmidt tells Palin news is now "just entertainment", and the worst aspects of her "mistakes" (galactic ignorance) will be forgotten by the viewing audience in a cycle or two. He may be right about the transparent phoniness or stupidity of politicians, but the Martin killing is something else entirely. It strikes at the collective moral center of this society, such as it has become; it won't be forgotten soon, if at all. It's a watershed moment in the ongoing metastasis of racism.
Under the law, Trayvon had the right to defend himself against a stalker, so one has to look at who provoked all of this in the first place. The problem here is that the authorities seem to have acted under the assumption that only one party could possibly have felt threatened. Was the kid supposed to know he was scaring the heck out of people just because he was walking down the street? But Zimmerman should have known he was frightening Trayvon (running away is a good indication). Why is that justifiable?
(And I do say that with a self-deprecator y smile on my face, but it doesn't show up in print.)
In most confrontation and fighting scenarios, people panic. That's why the dispatcher ordered Zimmerman to stay in the car.
If rational thought and dialogue ever occurs I am assuming it is possible(if not probable)that the killing was a complete misunderstandin g by both parties involved.
My scenario:
Zimmerman as the slightly unstable neighborhood "watchman." Florida lax gun laws and the "stand your ground" abomination of a law empowering someone like Zimmerman into thinking the law is on his side- regarding the right to shoot.
(Doesn't it seem Zimmerman is someone who might be a bit grandiose and over-zeolous in his role as a neighborhood "hero"?)I am just guessing, of course.
Trayvon Martin:
A young 17 year old with a bit of swagger(the same swagger I had at that age-for the record I am white.)
What 17 year boy with a little sports background (I believe he had played football)would not confront some older, awkward guy following him? Back in my day I would have been ready to "throw down" with this doofus.
End result:Certainl y a confrontation of some kind. Likely profanity filled argument with at least a threat of fighting.And there you go in a state with Wild West laws. Any threat,however meek, can be handled with a gun.
If you were minding your own business while walking through your neighborhood at night and you noticed someone paying attention to your presence would you know who they were or why? Zimmerman didn't have a uniform on or any way to display his purpose to Trayvon. This is why every American who values their freedom and liberty must always be vigilant of their government representatives and fight off any laws that allow a return to the wild west.
We are all Trayvon Martin.
I believe it is legal to use deadly force with gun if one feels he is being threatened by imminent danger.
The overwhelmingly Republican legislature down here in Florida are nothing more than yes men to almost every corporate lobbyist that makes his way through Tallahasse with a fat wallet.
And the gun lobby is packed with dough.
Date or not George Zimmerman was itching for a fight. He carried that gun that evening and followed Trayvon until they had a confrontation. If someone was following me with a gun and came towards me you bet I would defend myself. Trayvon did just that and because he is Black and fought back Zimmerman's self fulfilled prophecy came to light and Trayvon is dead.
Thanks to the NRA, ALEC and other right wing groups this is the state of affairs in our great nation. People are being murdered everyday because some argue that we need to arm ourselves to protect ourselves from criminals. The African American community (here in Chicago) is pushing for conceal carry because crime is rampant. In my opinion this will only make things worse and make police shootings more prevalent.
With our economy getting worse by the minute we will all at some point know someone who has been gunned down or we ourselves will become a victim to this insanity.
"Said to be witnesses"? I heard the so-called "black friend" interviewed. He knows Zimmerman only distantly, but he quit his job (apparently) to defend him. Zimmerman's father has money. The phone logs say a great deal more than anonymous witnesses about who is lying.
Mr. Zimmerman should be facing at minmum a manslaughter charge. This case needs to be examined in a court of law.
If I were peacefully walking home in my neighborhood and found I was being stalked by a stranger in an unmarked vehicle, I would be totally freaked. The longer it went on, the more freaked I'd become. I might even try to run, as Trayvon purportedly did. If the stalker then got out of his vehicle and approached me, with or without a visible weapon, I might be terrified enough to pull a gun if I had one. Trayvon did not, but IF - and I stress the IF - he fought back with his body, who can blame him? Does the law only apply if the one who claims mortal fear is the one who is not black?
Trayvon had every reason to feel terrorized and threatened, and was therefore justified if he stood his ground and fought. Supporters of the law need to acknowledge this. When did it become legal to terrorize someone into defending himself and then to claim he was the aggressor? That could become a racket.
I am concerned that Trayvon's rights under the law are not given more attention. As long as he felt he was acting in self defense, it doesn't matter what he did. I want to hear supporters of the law actually stand up for it. If they believe in it, they have to admit TRAYVON had a right to defend himself, if he did, and it's up to the shooter to explain why he provoked him to self defense.
And time to BOYCOTT Florida until they clean up their act.
I strongly suspect that a black man using the same defense WOULD be prosecuted in many cases, CCW license not withstanding. At the very least, his alibi would be more closely scrutinized and a real investigation would take place. It is unlikely the authorities would take a self defense claim at face value if the shooter were black, or at least a black kid in a hoodie. They might even look deeply into whether or not the shooter had been stalking or harassing the victim before the fatal confrontation. I think a lot more attention would be paid to who actually initiated the hostilities and who was really defending himself.
No matter what a person's height or age is, the person with the 50 pound advantage will always win. Why do you think prize fighters are put into different classes based on WEIGHT??!?!?
If you are not sure of your belief of events, better to stay silent and wait, than to propose such ridiculous possibilities.
Just like every other post you comment on here you only read what you want to see. on several of your posts i actually gave you a thumbs up while you disagree with everything not in your narrow view of the world.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223#ixzz1qdVtvtPu
Maybe Zimmerman dropped the 'daddy-is-a-jud ge' thing on them sometime before the prosecutor decided not to prosecute.
My guess, for the same reason they needed a gate.
If martin attacked Zimmerman and he shot back in self defense then he has a right to do that.
The legal system and the courts should correctly settle this.
Evil is as evil does.
But to have a gang like the Panthers offering a bounty - that is criminal solicitation they should be prosecuted.
I would want the KKK charged if they offered a bounty for any one as well.
The references to "blacks" and "they" gives us a window into YOUR thinking a lot more than anything else. It calls the rest of your logic into question. It puts a red flag on your remarks telling the rest of us that you have an agenda that goes way beyond the facts of the case.
So I'm afraid I have to object to the "them" phraseology. "They" are not a monolithic entity with a hive mentality, like millions of little human bees all thinking the same thoughts and coordinating their actions via ESP. "They" are as individual and diverse as "we" are. Some of "them" are even conservatives!
THAT'S what's racist - the division into "we" and "them." It's ALL OF US, all not wanting to be attacked or vilified or sidelined or ignored or categorized or tormented or deprived of our constitutional and legal rights because someone does not like the way we look. It's what we DO that matters.
And what was DONE here is questionable. Just take color out of the equations, all of them - the killing, the investigation, and the bounties - and you will find ACTIONS by the instigators that are unacceptable, or at least deserving of further scrutiny.
"If martin attacked Zimmerman and he shot back in self defense then he has a right to do that."
I think that's a questionable assertion. Zimmerman was stalking Martin, and Martin's behavior - running away - suggests he was frightened and felt threatened. That implies MARTIN was the one with the right to a self defense move, while Zimmerman was the instigator and the aggressor. As you say, let's hope the courts sort it out, but, given the sloppy-to-non-e xistant investigation, people are understandably concerned that the case may not be investigated thoroughly or objectively.
As for the bounty offered by the new Panthers, I don't hear anyone here condoning or defending that. I think the thrust of this forum is AGAINST vigilante "justice," not for it.
The rush to judgement is disturbing - and making a bad situation worse.
The Panthers who are calling for a bounty need to be brought to justice them selves - that is a criminal act of solicitation , encouraging others to join in a crime.
While I am not an medical expert - IF Zimmermans nose was actually broken I would think he would look like a racoon for several weeks with two black eyes.
I did see the "IF." My point is that IF Martin attacked, it seems he may well have been acting in self defense and, if so, he probably had a right to defend himself from an apparent stalker. One then must look at why he would have felt compelled to act in self defense. This is why we need a thorough, objective investigation. It's the lack of such an investigation that has most people upset.
I don't see much support being expressed in this forum for the Panther bounty. It's irresponsible at best, and possibly criminal, as you suggest.
Let's be real here. He wasn't an "average" teenager. Average teenagers don't carry around stolen jewelry. Was he a monster? Probably not. But he had been expelled from school and MAY have been looking for easy money. Rodney King was no monster either, but he's blown his millions and had trouble with the law multiple times after his eventual victory in court.
Florida's goofy guy law allows you to shoot somebody if you feel threatened. If you are holding a gun on somebody and they punch you, sorry, that's all you legally need. Don't like it? Change the law. But please spare the vitrol, which is clearly trying to just stir people up.
I identify myself as a liberal, which means I believe in a woman's right to choose, freedom from persecution for sexual choices etc. But when I see another liberal making a stupid argument that make ALL liberals look like left wing nut cases, I get angry.
We have a court system in this country and we shouldn't be trying to get around that.
Again,Zimmerman would have no knowledge of any of that. From what we know (and that is the problem, I guess), TM looked like an average teenager, with no real distinguishing characteristics other than wearing a hoody while black. Zimmerman's description of the kid did not involve "Yeah, he's 6 ft 2, wearing a hoody. Further physical description? OK, I can clearly see he's been expelled from school. And he's carrying around stolen jewelry. Oh, and I just noticed this, too - he's looking for easy money." All Zimmerman could tell was that he was a tall black kid in a hoody. TM's history should not matter in any of this, because he LOOKED like any other tall black kid in a hoody WITHOUT any such a record.
Skeptic is correct about sparing the vitriol.
But please folks, a little background information on Florida (I live in Tampa.)
My middle/working class/foreclose d on neighborhood(ty pical older area)is integrated.One sees occasional groups of all white or all Black kids walking around together-but one also sees mixed groups. Blacks, whites, and Hispanics. All together and all wearing the clothes of the day (lots of baggie pants etc.) Some of the scarier kids, in my view,are the white kids trying to emulate Blacks-particul ary celebrity Hip Hop/Rap artists.(With all the tatoos etc.) I have volunteered with youths of all ethnicities and,take my word, the Black kids are looked up to.
This is why it is very difficult to buy into the media frenzy which is the result of older Blacks (many from out of the area)overwhelmi ngly determining the incident as racial. I seriously doubt the half Hispanic Zimmerman was the red faced cracker the protesters would hope him to be. So what we have here is "failure to communicate"-an d this failure is largely the result of older white libs and Blacks who would love a return to their glory days of rebellion against the white establishment. I am all for purposeful rebellion, but directed at the state.
Somehow I find it hard to believe that, in that case, they would be gated. Gated is usually because the people that live there, or the designers and builders of the community, are afraid of strangers wandering into their community, since strangers are almost always, in their estimation, 'up to no good' -- especially if they are visibly different.
The neighborhood was very integrated. In fact the values of the town houses had dropped dramatically the past few years.
Many had foreclosed and are now being rented. I am not certain but I think that some may be Section 8 subsidized.
Working class Florida (I am not referring to rural areas) is very integrated. The kids all hang out together with many Blacks as leaders. I have a 12 year old who thinks Black kids are the best athletes and cool to hang around. He is a little more into the hip hop culture than I would prefer. This is why it is difficult for me to believe what occurred in this case does not involve some gray areas.
Trayvon's story, replete with lies from the reicht-wing blogosphere,has been extensively explored. So, what about Zimmerman's background? A guy who liked to drink; had been employed as a bouncer in illegal, under-aged house parties, and was fired for being too violent -- throwing a drunken woman across the room and twisting her ankle -- a man against whom whose ex-fiancee had taken out a protection order; who was forbidden under Florida law from owning or carrying a gun, but whose father was a "retired" magistrate -- a judge -- so that apparently the law was never enforced against him; a man who "liked to be in charge" and throw his weight around. And who frequently called the cops to report suspicious black men.
You are lucky to live in an integrated area. I grew up in one, and this place was a bit of a shock. Things are slowly becoming a bit less monochromatic, but when I first moved here the Klan was still demonstrating openly in a nearby city. This town remains blessed with active militias and the outspoken "patriots" who man them. My first thought when this story broke was,"How many militias are active in Sanford?" That may be unjust, but it reflects my own Florida experience. The communication failure you perceive may not be due to nostalgic older liberals so much as to ignorance of what goes on in less cosmopolitan places than Tampa.
Stand Your Ground" law has more to do with defending yourself
when attacked...not stalking an individual anf then standing your ground. Zimmerman was the intiator, period, if he was hit by Martin it is clearly Martin that was standing up for himself. It may not have been Zimmerman's intent to shoot anyone, but it was Zimmerman that created the situation...aga inst the dispatchers order. You light a fire and get burned you can not the fire did it by itself.
Zimmerman followed that kid, confronted him, and murdered him when the kid was screaming help for all the neighbors to hear so that they would call the police or intervene.
Zimmerman has a father who is a judge. Clearly, there won't be justice unless there is an uproar to shine light on this.
Ironically, it seems to me, historically, that the only time we have ever had a sense of common identity is when we, as a nation, are either under attack or engaged in one of the many wars that mark our recent history. And even warfare seems to have less power now to unite us. How sad that we have no sense of community.
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