RSN June 14 Fundraising
FB Share
Email This Page
add comment
Print

"I am opposed to the building of the 'mosque' two blocks from Ground Zero. I want it built on Ground Zero."

Portrait, Michael Moore, 04/03/09. (photo: Ann-Christine Poujoulat/Getty)
Portrait, Michael Moore, 04/03/09. (photo: Ann-Christine Poujoulat/Getty)


I Want the 'Mosque' Built ON Ground Zero

By Michael Moore, Michael Moore.com

11 September 10

 

If the 'mosque' isn't built, this is no longer America.

am opposed to the building of the "mosque" two blocks from Ground Zero.

I want it built on Ground Zero.

Why? Because I believe in an America that protects those who are the victims of hate and prejudice. I believe in an America that says you have the right to worship whatever God you have, wherever you want to worship. And I believe in an America that says to the world that we are a loving and generous people and if a bunch of murderers steal your religion from you and use it as their excuse to kill 3,000 souls, then I want to help you get your religion back. And I want to put it at the spot where it was stolen from you.

There's been so much that's been said about this manufactured controversy, I really don't want to waste any time on this day of remembrance talking about it. But I hate bigotry and I hate liars, and so in case you missed any of the truth that's been lost in this, let me point out a few facts:

1. I love the Burlington Coat Factory. I've gotten some great winter coats there at a very reasonable price. Muslims have been holding their daily prayers there since 2009. No one ever complained about that. This is not going to be a "mosque," it's going to be a community center. It will have the same prayer room in it that's already there. But to even have to assure people that "it's not going to be mosque" is so offensive, I now wish they would just build a 111-story mosque there. That would be better than the lame and disgusting way the developer has left Ground Zero an empty hole until recently. The remains of over 1,100 people still haven't been found. That site is a sacred graveyard, and to be building another monument to commerce on it is a sacrilege. Why wasn't the entire site turned into a memorial peace park? People died there, and many of their remains are still strewn about, all these years later.

2. Guess who has helped the Muslims organize their plans for this community center? The JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER of Manhattan! Their rabbi has been advising them since the beginning. It's been a picture-perfect example of the kind of world we all want to live in. Peter Stuyvessant, New York's "founder," tried to expel the first Jews who arrived in Manhattan. Then the Dutch said, no, that's a bit much. So then Stuyvessant said ok, you can stay, but you cannot build a synagogue anywhere in Manhattan. Do your stupid Friday night thing at home. The first Jewish temple was not allowed to be built until 1730. Then there was a revolution, and the founding fathers said this country has to be secular - no religious nuts or state religions. George Washington (inaugurated around the corner from Ground Zero) wanted to make a statement about this his very first year in office, and wrote this to American Jews:

"The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy - a policy worthy of imitation....

"It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens ...

"May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants - while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid."

3. The Imam in charge of this project is the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. Read about his past here.

4. Around five dozen Muslims died at the World Trade Center on 9/11. Hundreds of members of their families still grieve and suffer. The 19 killers did not care what religion anyone belonged to when they took those lives.

5. I've never read a sadder headline in the New York Times than the one on the front page this past Monday: "American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?" That should make all of us so ashamed that even a single one of our fellow citizens should ever have to worry about if they "belong" here.

6. There is a McDonald's two blocks from Ground Zero. Trust me, McDonald's has killed far more people than the terrorists.

7. During an economic depression or a time of war, fascists are extremely skilled at whipping up fear and hate and getting the working class to blame "the other" for their troubles. Lincoln's enemies told poor Southern whites that he was "a Catholic." FDR's opponents said he was Jewish and called him "Jewsevelt." One in five Americans now believe Obama is a Muslim and 41% of Republicans don't believe he was born here.

8. Blaming a whole group for the actions of just one of that group is anti-American. Timothy McVeigh was Catholic. Should Oklahoma City prohibit the building of a Catholic Church near the site of the former federal building that McVeigh blew up?

9. Let's face it, all religions have their whackos. Catholics have O'Reilly, Gingrich, Hannity and Clarence Thomas (in fact all five conservatives who dominate the Supreme Court are Catholic). Protestants have Pat Robertson and too many to list here. The Mormons have Glenn Beck. Jews have Crazy Eddie. But we don't judge whole religions on just the actions of their whackos. Unless they're Methodists.

10. If I should ever, God forbid, perish in a terrorist incident, and you or some nutty group uses my death as your justification to attack or discriminate against anyone in my name, I will come back and haunt you worse than Linda Blair marrying Freddy Krueger and moving into your bedroom to spawn Chucky. John Lennon was right when he asked us to imagine a world with "nothing to kill or die for and no religion, too." I heard Deepak Chopra this week say that "God gave humans the truth, and the devil came and he said, 'Let's give it a name and call it religion.' " But John Adams said it best when he wrote a sort of letter to the future (which he called "Posterity"): "Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it." I'm guessing ol' John Adams is up there repenting nonstop right now.

Friends, we all have a responsibility NOW to make sure that Muslim community center gets built. Once again, 70% of the country (the same number that initially supported the Iraq War) is on the wrong side and want the "mosque" moved. Enormous pressure has been put on the Imam to stop his project. We have to turn this thing around. Are we going to let the bullies and thugs win another one? Aren't you fed up by now? When would be a good time to take our country back from the haters?

I say right now. Let's each of us make a statement by donating to the building of this community center! It's a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization and you can donate a dollar or ten dollars (or more) right now through a secure pay pal account by clicking here. I will personally match the first $10,000 raised (forward your PayPal receipt to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it ). If each one of you reading this blog/email donated just a couple of dollars, that would give the center over $6 million, more than what Donald Trump has offered to buy the Imam out. C'mon everyone, let's pitch in and help those who are being debased for simply wanting to do something good. We could all make a huge statement of love on this solemn day.

I lost a co-worker on 9/11. I write this today in his memory.

 

"The man who speaks of the enemy / Is the enemy himself."
- Bertolt Brecht

 

Comments   

We are concerned about a recent drift towards vitriol in the RSN Reader comments section. There is a fine line between moderation and censorship. No one likes a harsh or confrontational forum atmosphere. At the same time everyone wants to be able to express themselves freely. We'll start by encouraging good judgment. If that doesn't work we'll have to ramp up the moderation.

General guidelines: Avoid personal attacks on other forum members; Avoid remarks that are ethnically derogatory; Do not advocate violence, or any illegal activity.

Remember that making the world better begins with responsible action.

- The RSN Team

 
+57 # Guest 2010-09-11 09:46
Like we used to say in Texas, "Hell, yes!"
 
 
+44 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:23
Thank you, Mr. Moore, for helping to remind all of us to support Park 51, both financially and verbally. Xenophobia in any form is un-American (even though it has appeared off and on throughout our history) and it is a destructive, negative force. Those of us who believe in the right of the Muslim community to build their center wherever they want it have an obligation to voice our opinion. Thank you for encouraging us to follow through with what we know is right.

Bosque Bluebonnet
 
 
-47 # Guest 2010-09-12 18:16
UHHH HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! WTF is wrong with you people....
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-12 20:32
Quoting Matt:
UHHH HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with you people....


You got it wrong. WTF is wrong with YOU, people.
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-09-13 16:08
Or, in this case: "Yes, Hell!"
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-26 13:39
I fully support Mr. Michael Moore
 
 
+60 # Guest 2010-09-11 09:59
Bravo, Michael! Fear and anger have supplanted the "Can Do!" attitude most Americans used to have. Tom Brokaw was right about our Fathers being the GREATEST generation. We're a bunch of wusses, cowed by demi-gods, Money and pseudo-religiou s fanatics. Washington & Adams would repudiate the whole gang of propagandists stealing the site for their own selfish political ends. Why don't they protest the "Strip Clubs" and bars at the site? It is THEY who are out of order and are desecrating the memory of that tragic event. Shame on them and shame on us if we cave in to the Nazis who use our grief like their own personal tennis ball. As they treat the Mosque and it's worshipers, So also do they treat Jesus and his tenets. When will we ever learn?
 
 
+46 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:06
Draft Michael Moore for President.

This center will be shining beacon of hope amongst the other seedy businesses like the massage parlors, etc. in the neighborhood. When people of different faiths support the rights of each other to practice their faiths in peace, America becomes a stronger, richer nation in more ways than one.
Lets make sure that bigotry loses in this case, and the goodwill of the American spirit survives.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 21:21
Very well said, m.sabr
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-16 10:51
Do not make Mike president. Are you nuts? It would ruin his life, and get him killed. Maybe you are too young to remember the last president to get an idea to end a war--John F. Kennedy.
 
 
+45 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:20
It is in the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, First Amendment.

So who are the un-Americans saying "No"?
 
 
+30 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:42
I'll tell you who the un-Americans are... overwhelmingly it is Republicans and Tea Party Kooks! They are the hate mongers here. Democrats are the tolerant, thoughtful types, the educated people who act with compassion for fellow citizens and work tirelessly for the benefit of our nation. This upcoming election will pit intolerance and bigotry against fairness and a genuine concern for the welfare of our country's population. Let's hope goodness triumphs over evil. Honesty trumps corruption every time. Think before you vote, as our future depends on it!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-17 10:52
Amazing ... it seems as if the founding fathers of this country had some feeling that one day will come and the First Amendment will be at risk, so they said, well guess what, we shall make the Second Amendment to be: “ the right to keep and bear arms” so the American people can defend the First Amendment by any means necessary. I wonder if David Koresh of Waco Texas read it that way.
 
 
0 # Guest 2011-01-30 20:48
they can have their freedom of religion......n o one is saying anything about that........it' s the mosque being built there that's the problem........ uhh, also read the book by Brigitte Gabriel......"B ecause They Hate"
 
 
+36 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:22
Has anyone considered or mentioned the possibility of a center that would represent all faiths, a multi faith center that would be inclusive rather than exclusive. Just a thought. Couldn't that be a starting point for Ground Zero, a way to bring people together and learn about each other's beliefs? Isn't that the American way as well? Many lost family and friends there and multitudes have lost family and friends throughout the world in wars that apparently have no purpose. Maybe, dare I say it, there's a middle ground.A quote from the Sufi mystic Rumi: Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I'll meet you there."
 
 
+31 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:45
The mosque shouldn't have to be disguised as something else. It shouldn't have to be a multi-faith center or 'mostly a community center' or anything else. They have a right to build a mosque, just a mosque, a really big mosque, as big and loud as any church or synagogue nearby. I hope they put the word 'mosque' in big pink neon letters...and then make sure it never gets turned into a recruiting center for crazy muslims.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:54
How is anyone going to assure that any mosque or church or the Lincoln memorial is not used to recruit crazy extremists?
 
 
+17 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:45
I'm sure you're referring to the Lincoln Memorial being used by Glenn Beck and the extremist Tea Party Kooks! That was a sad moment in the history of our nation.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-15 12:03
Can you assure that there wont be crazy extremists where you work, live or in your neighborhood.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-15 01:19
Well said!
 
 
+24 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:53
The fact that it is Muslim-built and sponsored doesn't mean it is exclusively for Muslims, Sarah H. According to what I am reading, people of all faiths and traditions are already using the space and that is what is envisioned: a COMMUNITY Center, not an Islamic center. While I agree with Emily G that a mosque shouldn't have to be disguised as anything else, this project was never meant to be a mosque. The plan has always been for a community center, NOT a mosque.
 
 
+15 # Guest 2010-09-11 13:46
If you check it out you'll find that's exactly what this is and what this Imam does. It's also what was there before!
 
 
+15 # Guest 2010-09-11 21:42
The community center has prayer rooms designed for Christians, Jews, and Muslims. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ixC9ud5igco6r2ieM1s9K2NrLkNw
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-09-12 08:45
In fact, the Cordoba Center, as it is properly named (paying homage to the city in Spain that welcomed all) is exactly that--an inclusive center. It IS the middle ground, as you say. It will have meditation rooms, places for Jews, Christians, Moslems and others to pray or meditate. But more than anything it's a community center like a JCC. It's interesting you quote Rumi, a Sufi. Imam Rauf is a Sufi-- they are the peaceniks of Islam. Calling this center the Ground Zero mosque is like calling the YMCA downtown on Hester St. the "ground zero church".
 
 
-2 # montanamaven 2010-09-12 11:07
I was thinking that Ground Zero could have a multi faith areas plus one for atheists like the "Joseph Campbell 'Power of Myth' Meditation Room." And then maybe have a field in the middle as Rumi suggests.

But I like the idea below of an arts center too as a counter to nearby Wall Street that along with McDonald's has killed more people than 19 crazies.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 16:02
It IS an interfaith center. It's for the whole community, which is why it's called a "community center".
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 21:45
Sarah, you have some nice ideas, however, why should this community center have to include all faiths? It is already in existence as are the churches that are in the same proximity to ground zero, yet no one is suggesting sharing a catholic church with the local jews, protestants, muslims, etc.

Muslim Americans should not need to have to go the extra mile to satisfy peoples' unfounded fears. Muslims did not attack the US on 9/11, terrorists who were muslim fundamentalists did. Very similar to the KKK and "army of god" who kill men, women and unborn children every time they bomb abortion clinics.
Muslims do not need to apologize for the attacks of a few extremists.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-15 23:12
Quoting Sarah Hollister:
Has anyone considered or mentioned the possibility of a center that would represent all faiths, a multi faith center that would be inclusive rather than exclusive. Just a thought. Couldn't that be a starting point for Ground Zero, a way to bring people together and learn about each other's beliefs? Isn't that the American way as well? Many lost family and friends there and multitudes have lost family and friends throughout the world in wars that apparently have no purpose. Maybe, dare I say it, there's a middle ground.A quote from the Sufi mystic Rumi: Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I'll meet you there."

This IS a COMMUNITY CENTER that is open to people of all faiths and beliefs. So, see you there! :)
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-16 04:46
Great idea-- a memorial peace park on Ground Zero with a multi-faith center that exemplifies our democracy.
 
 
+28 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:29
The arts are the only unifying part of our human nature. Forget religions and all the fantastic versions they represent of our origins, worth and nature. We are all humanity with the drive to perpetuate our existence and to make our existence as conducive to survival as possible.
So I propose that ground zero be turned into Ground Zero a center for the arts where all the highest attainments of music, theatre, dance and all the worlds art can be represented. This a tribute to the better side of man's nature. Self realization of ones own personal beliefs can still be thought of and worshiped here among all the better works of man
Put aside the anger and make here a tribute to life
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-13 08:34
Nigel:
Living in San Antonio, I thought that the Dallas Cowboys "are the only unifying
part of our human nature."
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-14 20:47
No chance of course, but you certainly are correct!!
 
 
-41 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:39
Michael,
I love ya. I admire and support you and agree with every word you wrote about America, it is the religion which concerns me. The religion which creates terrorists who would commit violence against others. I would like to see the Islamic community, their religious heads, Imams, etc., publicly declare that they are removing the words Infidel, Fatwa and Jihad from their bible, the Koran. As long as these commands exist, its followers will act on them. I worry that where large communities of Muslims live they will force Shar'ia law be accepted instead of our own judicial system based on secular civil law, which by the way I have been told is already in Michigan. There are 85 Shar'ia courts in Great Britain. I hope America will stand up to any religious demands from a growing Islamic community because I am not happy how America has not even been able to separate enough from the bibles. Except the Judeo/Christian faiths have had an enlightenment and don't continue their violence.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:02
[quote name="The religion which creates terrorists who would commit violence against others.

good thing you weren't an abortion center doctor back in the 90's. or say an arab in the, oh, the ENTIRE middle ages. or US catholic in the 1900's. or a . . . .
 
 
+32 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:22
Quoting Toni Gandel:
Michael,
I would like to see the Islamic community, their religious heads, Imams, etc., publicly declare that they are removing the words Infidel, Fatwa and Jihad from their bible, the Koran. As long as these commands exist, its followers will act on them. separate enough from the bibles. Except the Judeo/Christian faiths have had an enlightenment and don't continue their violence.


Would you (or Jews and Christians generally) be ready to do the same with the Bible? Only ten commandments fit on the two tablets, for the rest read Deuteronomy, for example: "Thou shalt kill all Malekites." Most people consider the Malekites to no longer be a distinct people, but some Jews interpret this commandment to mean any enemy of the Jewish people. Netanyahu refers to Ajmadinejad as a Malekite. Around and around it goes!
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-12 05:20
Quoting Aaron Tovish:
[quote name="Toni Gandel"]
Deuteronomy, for example: "Thou shalt kill all Malekites." Most people consider the Malekites to no longer be a distinct people, but some Jews interpret this commandment to mean any enemy of the Jewish people. Netanyahu refers to Ajmadinejad as a Malekite. Around and around it goes!


I have just searched for the word "Malekite" within all the Bible's books and wide range of translations and it is not there.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-12 14:23
I agree - no idea where the Malekite idea comes from, but doesn't seem to be any of the testaments... maybe Aaron was thinking of Deuteronomy 6-10 which does indeed call on Jews to kill anyone that tries to convert them to another religion - but nothing about Malekites I can find either
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-13 10:25
The word is Amalekite.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-17 10:59
To Aaron Tovish:
You asking for something that can’t be done. Because the word “Infidel” doesn’t exists in the Qur’an. It is a word that was used for the first time by the “Crusaders” on their way to the Holy Land, because they thought, contrary to their ignorance, that Muslims didn’t believe in God. I wish people validate what they hear before they repeat them. Otherwise we become part of the problems and lies.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:52
Do you realize how many churches in this country have courts to settle matters within their sect that is outside of civil law? Just last week, a Presbyterian minister was found guilty of disobeying church laws by performing same sex weddings.

Sharia law and courts are like that and there is nothing unusual or wrong or to be feared as long as there is no conflict with civil law. Why would you deny them the freedom to decide matters that other religious groups have?
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 17:50
Excelent point bjw. The Episcopal Church has such a court too and I believe that Methodists do too. Shariah law, voluntarily submitted to, on the condition that the follower's civil rights are not abused and they are not subjected to criminal acts, is just as reasonable a proposition as the "laws" of other religions. Any American Muslim has the same rights as a Christian Scientist or a Seventh Day Adventist. The only arbiter in a free society is that a person's civil rights and personal safety is not compromised, and yes, the authorities do frequently step in when all kinds of Christian groups cross the line.
 
 
+16 # Guest 2010-09-11 15:55
Quoting Toni Gandel:
{It} is the religion which concerns me. The religion which creates terrorists who would commit violence against others. I would like to see the Islamic community, their religious heads, Imams, etc., publicly declare that they are removing the words Infidel, Fatwa and Jihad from . . . the Koran. . . .


Ahem. The Christian faith has its own past to answer for too. The very word "infidel" is Latin, not Arabic, and means "unfaithful." For centuries Christians slaughtered people of other faiths without mercy, sometimes even killing faithful Christians too if they couldn't be separated out from the "others"; as a famous quote has it, "Kill them all; God will know which are his." As for "jihad," it has essentially the same meaning for Muslims that "crusade" has for Christians. (A "crusade," originally, was a war for the Cross--war, that is to say, in the name of the Prince of Peace.)
 
 
+17 # Guest 2010-09-11 17:45
Toni, you ignorance is getting the best of you and I'd bet you're a really good person. Notice that I didn't call you "stupid"...just ignorant. I made a point of starting to study the Koran to see for myself and so far I have found much to admire. The word "Jihad" as you seem to understand it, is wrong. A jihad is a sincere endeavor, like my declaration of jihad against my own ignorance leading me to collect and read many banned or notorious books just so I could say I had endeavored to hear many sides. Jihad is a noble concept applicate to anything that you would give sincere endeavors. "Infidel": in English would translate a number of ways. Non-believer may be one. You're ethnocentric blinders are getting the best of you here. "Fatwa": I'll have to look that up myself. My guess is that there is a Christian equivalent to this. Further, Islam is a "Judeo" faith. The Koran has books of the Old Testament in it. It says to honor Christians, Jews and other faiths. Read it and see for yourself.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-17 11:52
Thanks Daniel:
I encourage everyone to do what you wisely chose to do. I am getting tired of people who just repeat what they hear without validating things for themselves. God gave us brain to be used. Those who says that Islam spread by the sword and that the Qur’an is violent, surely these people never read the Qur’an. Well let me just give one fact here; in Arabic, there are 17 different words all equal to the word “Sword”. Guess how many times any of these words mentioned in the Qur’an? Answer is: 0 (ZERO). Guess how many times the word “Sword” is mentioned in the Bible? I stopped counting after reaching 50. Read, learn, be wise.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-12 05:48
[quote name="Toni Gandel"] I would like to see the Islamic community, their religious heads, Imams, etc., publicly declare that they are removing the words Infidel, Fatwa and Jihad from their bible, the Koran. .... where large communities of Muslims live they will force Shar'ia law be accepted instead of our own judicial system]

I'd like to see Christian and Jewish leaders remove all references to stoning sinners, judging others (lest ye be judged), and banning Red Lobster.

As for sharia law, unlike Afghanistan, where the Taliban will simply grab some one off the streets and drag them into sharia court, in this country, if someone wants to voluntarily commit themselves to that authority, that is also their right. Crazy as i may think it is.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-14 20:53
Terrorists are people with a HUGE gripe, but no army or air force to retaliate with; so they resort to terrorism.
In the past twenty years the USA has bombed/rocketed , nine muslim countries. As a matter of fact, in April last year, we bombed FOUR muslim countries the same day: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Syria! NO WONDER WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TERRORISTS!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-14 22:49
Hey Toni,
I just wanted to comment on your blog about the religion concerning you, I am a Muslim myself, and maybe you dont know this, but no where in the holy Quran does it suggest that people kill in the name of god, god actually prohibits endangering other human beings, it is muslims who take the religion, make it their own and make the excuse of killing in the name of "god", for those who havent read the Quran, it is the most peaceful holy book, read between the lines and you will see, the religion is not what extremists act, it is they who act on their own
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-15 23:21
Quoting Zeina:
Hey Toni,
I just wanted to comment on your blog about the religion concerning you, I am a Muslim myself, and maybe you dont know this, but no where in the holy Quran does it suggest that people kill in the name of god, god actually prohibits endangering other human beings, it is muslims who take the religion, make it their own and make the excuse of killing in the name of "god", for those who havent read the Quran, it is the most peaceful holy book, read between the lines and you will see, the religion is not what extremists act, it is they who act on their own

Just as the Christian Bible instructs followers "Thou Shalt Not Kill", it is humans who mess it up by picking and choosing parts of the Bible that they wish to use and ignoring the rest and interpreting the parts that they do want to use in whatever way they choose.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-15 12:01
Hi Toni, Islam does not teach violence. In fact Islam means peace. Do you think every Muslim is a terrorist or every Muslim is violent? The Quran talks about living peacefully and not creating violence in the world. Quran also talks about Jesus and Mary. About Prophet Abraham, David, Moses, Noah.

You know what it says about Christians and Jews...they are respectfully called "People of the book". Because all this 3 religions believe in 1 GOD. Jihad does not mean killing people. Its just fighting oppression and fighting for your rights only if you are oppressed. Murdering and killing is a huge sin in Islam. These murders killed people for their own benefit or whatever reason it might be. Later they tried to wear the cap of religion and escape from it. That's not right. Religion should not be blamed for this.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-15 12:01
continuing to my previous comment .....

You know how much every Muslim has suffered after 9/11. How much of hatred, intolerance. Even though they were not responsible for it. Even though they know that their religion never teaches violence in the first place. People need to understand things deeply. Not just read one side of the story. Not just listen to one party. I wish people who misunderstand us, hate us ..did that before learning about us and our religion. A child in Afghanistan and and orphan 6 year old girl in Iraq, both lost their parents, family and home in the war. They were asked to define who terrorists were for them and guess what they said.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-15 14:54
Thank you AA and Zeina for your in put. You know very well that few Americans will bother reading the Koran and really try to learn that all Muslims are not uniformly alike. Invite Christians to visit your mosque some time. Encourage questions. Your voices are needed.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-17 12:10
Toni:
Well let me just give one fact here; in Arabic, there are 17 different words all equal to the word “Sword”. Guess how many times any of these words mentioned in the Qur’an? Answer is: 0 (ZERO). Guess how many times the word “Sword” is mentioned in the Bible? I stopped counting after reaching 50.

By the way: also the word “Infidel” doesn’t exist in the Qur’an. It was used for the first time by the “Crusaders” on their way to the Holy Land where they massacred 70,000+ (Muslim, Christian, Jew) in four days. Read, learn, be wise.
 
 
-1 # Brittany 2010-09-28 11:27
hmm seems like you are supporting freedom of Religion yet you keep dissing everything else but your own. Just like everyone else. you have no room to talk.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-20 17:08
Toni, are you serious?? "Except the Judeo/Christian faiths have had an enlightenment and don't continue their violence". I beg to differ and I will cite examples for you.
1. Shatila & Sabra massacres - September 16-18 1982.
2. What about Troubles - conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland and England.
3. Bosnian Croatian conflicts
4. Isn't war violence? Iraq (twice) and Afghanistan were attacked by the very people that you say have had an enlightenment.
5. Not to mention continued violence against the innocent people of the West Bank.

Please...do not insult our intelligence and do your homework.
 
 
+46 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:46
Michael Moore, this is a magnificent writing. The best statement I have seen on the Mosque. Thank you.
 
 
+12 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:53
What wonderful Wisdom & Humanity here. Thank You for initiating this chain Mr.Moore & may it spread forever & everywhere like the Blessing it is. My heartfelt compassion to all those wonderful Beings that suffered & suffer. Please Dear Peoples - Love your enemies- "Forgive them for they knew not what they do" And know the Joy & Nobility you bring to this priceless Planet. Make only Concord & do not let Discord into your Lives.

Ron (Unconditional Love Of God never Conditional Religion of Man)

Ron
of so doing.
 
 
+20 # Texas Aggie 2010-09-11 10:53
You constantly read these fascists trying to pretend that they really aren't bigots when they acknowledge that the Imam has the right to build the community center, but...

The funniest thing about their statements is that they, in essence, are acknowledging that the grown-ups in this situation are the Moslems because the bigots always state that they (the Moslems) should have sensitivity to the feelings of the bigots, and never do you hear that the bigots should have sensitivity to the American values that are at stake here.
 
 
+11 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:21
You have just made me proud to be a Texan again. Thank you.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-14 13:37
That is truly the paradox. People always scream for justice when it is supposed injustices occur against them but cry for mercy for themselves! Everyone wants to call people to account for their actions but don't want to accept responsibility for their actions and seek always to blame others.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-15 23:24
Quoting Texas Aggie:
You constantly read these fascists trying to pretend that they really aren't bigots when they acknowledge that the Imam has the right to build the community center, but...

The funniest thing about their statements is that they, in essence, are acknowledging that the grown-ups in this situation are the Moslems because the bigots always state that they (the Moslems) should have sensitivity to the feelings of the bigots, and never do you hear that the bigots should have sensitivity to the American values that are at stake here.

Thanks for pointing that out, I never even thought about it that way! So true.
 
 
+39 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:54
As a descedent of a member of the Continental Congress and signer of the Declaration of Independence, I say that it is time for the American idea, hope, dream expressed long ago in the Constitution to be realized. No more violence, no more bigotry.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:03
"...a descendant of a member of the Continental Congress and signer of the Declaration of Independence"

That is so cool...
 
 
+18 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:54
Yes! And I applaud you for pointing out that what will be built on the Ground Zero site will be a monument to our corporate culture. Who knows what offices will be in there? Certainly many charlatans worthy of protest. Keep articulatiang the truth. It helps me to frame my own beliefs better and allow me to speak more clearly to others.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-11 10:56
CORPORATOCY MEDIA PANDERERS have been played like a cheap guitar by a very small person trying to become a very big FACE. The Gville pontificator has accomplished what thousands of American WHISTLE BLOWERS like you Michael have tried and been crushed by BIG MEDIA and CORUPT STONEWALLING SELFSERVING GOVERNMENT. The stench in Washington and the DOJ,SEC, is so bad the DOGS WONT EVEN ROLL IN IT!!!

Just an Evel Dewarsh I guess trying for 2 decades now to shine a light on the cockroach corner (DC.) sorry cockroach for the slight.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:03
Love you!
 
 
+11 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:25
I have seen all your documentaries and am a huge fan. You have the biggest heart and balls of anyone. I wish you would run for president. Can't wait for your next project.
 
 
+18 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:44
All I can say is the rise of Hitler and the Nazis was exacerbated by the propagandists who blamed Germany's post war troubles on Jews, homosexuals, Communists, intellectuals, students, aristocrats, the military, and any other group convenient for scapegoating. Now the right wing of the Republican Party and their Teaparty confederates are blaming our country's troubles, in part, on Muslims and has managed to turn nearly 70% of Americans against the Islamic project. Mark my words, we are repeating history and it will get very ugly before it gets better. I have no faith in America anymore. I am disgusted.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-13 09:55
I would recommend that those commenting here read the musings of the broader Muslim community on groups such as gays or the rights of women. As much as I admire Mr. Moore, I cannot turn a blind eye to a contemporary group that continues the ugly retrograde thinking that seems to preoccupy the Muslim communities
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:31
Quoting glenn edwards:
I would recommend that those commenting here read the musings of the broader Muslim community on groups such as gays or the rights of women. As much as I admire Mr. Moore, I cannot turn a blind eye to a contemporary group that continues the ugly retrograde thinking that seems to preoccupy the Muslim communities


I abhor the Christian Taliban for the ugly retrade thinking that seems to occupy their community. Has it occurred to you that because they are human beings who, by the way, inherited some of their retrage thinking from the same historical sources as the rest of us, just might be capable of evolving? You are quite mistaken if you think that there aren't some prominent Muslims that are feminists, gays and lesbians and groups more tolerant than you are aware of. I think the Muslim community is just as capable of evolving as the rest of us.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 19:45
Aside from the mis-spell for retrograde, I'm sorry you aren't persuaded Rock. (Yeah, right.)
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:01
Dan, that is very amusing! I challenge you to name ONE prominent Muslim who is gay, lesbian, or feminist! Oh! Better not - that would just bring a death sentence down on them!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-14 18:55
[quote name="rock"]Dan , that is very amusing! I challenge you to name ONE prominent Muslim who is gay, lesbian, or feminist! Oh! Better not - that would just bring a death sentence down on them![/quote}]

Why I'd be so delighted Rock! I know a number of them from my university, some who have been guests in my hoome. Out of courtesy, I would prefer they have a chance to name themselves. I'll invite them to do so if they'd like. Of course they live here because they are less likely to be persecuted.
Let me challenge you Rock, to see if you can find any on your own. They are fairly well known. Go to any university library and do a little research on your own. You'd be amazed! Gay and feminist middle easterners can speak for themselves so eloquently! Educate yourself!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-15 01:18
I lived in Pakistan as my father was a diplomat for some time in the early 2000s and during my time I had the pleasure of meeting and socializing in the elite class of that country. All the high-end and famous fashion designers were well known homosexuals. It is difficult to name Muslims who are gays or lesbians or feminists because you in America will not know them as Muslims are a minority, though Im certain that if you were to do a thorough search, you will find aplenty.

The murdered ex Pakistani prime minister was a female and an active womens rights activist, Benazir Bhutto. A narrow minded American would be lost in thought wondering how a female ever became the prime minister of a country like Pakistan?! That's more amusing I think :)

Also worthy of mention is Ms. Asma Jehangir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_Jahangir
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-19 17:55
Although it may surprise you, there are Muslims that support rights for gays and lesbians. Just like the Catholic hierarchy does not speak for all Catholics, there is more than one voice for Muslims too.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-19 21:59
why do you demand our conformity to your quirks and social mores, when you reject conforming to ours?
kindda defeats your point
you have the right to follow whatever you choose and so do we, the point is NOT to become hostile over our differences.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-15 23:32
Quoting glenn edwards:
I would recommend that those commenting here read the musings of the broader Muslim community on groups such as gays or the rights of women. As much as I admire Mr. Moore, I cannot turn a blind eye to a contemporary group that continues the ugly retrograde thinking that seems to preoccupy the Muslim communities

What about the retrograde thinking that seems to preoccupy Christian communities? The whole so-called Defense of Marriage foolishness was and is championed by Christians who spout all over the place that their Bible and their God says that marriage is between one man and one woman and nothing else! Egads man, open your eyes! It is PARTS of Bible verses that are carefully selected (with the rest of the passages ignored) and used as a reason to abuse and deny equal rights to gays and lesbians.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:45
I hear everywhere the Joyful Songs & Dying Cries of Children; Nature & Love on Death Row. We have ONLY today left. And so with awakening cohort crusaders with all compassionate HEARTS, amassing by the second as Demonic Mammon bestrides merciless, all deaf visionless destructive across the Earth - For the children to sing & dance in Nature, always, invulnerable WE as Davids WILL prevail before the Final Night of Desecrated Earth. NO scapegoating, NO blame, all forgiving for what went Planet Wrong. because of Human Greed, Fear, & Anger, Nicht diese tone (Not these tones)"Ode to Joy" Schiller & Beethoven's 9th Symphony.... Love each other Brethren. Unconditionally . Eden shall return. YOU, ALL have custody & RESPONSIBILITY to labour in inalienable TRUTH to make it so on OUR Sacred Planet. Let Life LIVE & BE. Care & share. TODAY!
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:46
I remember so clearly, even today, the horror of that day 9 years ago. I am very glad to be able to do something significant in the face of this anniversary - I donated $9 for the years + $1 for good luck!
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:51
Thank you Michael for verbalizing what I've been feeling in my heart and soul. Here is another opportunity for us to wake up to truth, love, compassion, kindness and understanding. We need to keep our hearts and minds open. Fear is False Evidence Appearing Real. It's brilliant-what an opportunity for healing for Muslims, for 911 families, for NY, our country, all religions, all who worship in their own personal way,and all of our brothers & sisters on this planet. God/Goddess bless us all! Michael, I salute you my brother!
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-09-11 11:59
YES, YES, YES! Problem is that there likely is too much stuff on that site already--finall y they have settled what they are building. No room!
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:17
Au contraire. On the BBC's news site, I was looking at an item on the GZ plans. Of the seven buildings, #7 "opened in May 2006 and is two-thirds leased." Sounds like there's space available right now.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:04
Finally, someone making sense. We must be bigger than our fears and prejudices - otherwise, this country, and all it was founded on, and all it has come (at its best) to be, are doomed. Don
 
 
+14 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:06
Well spoken. I have often wondered why the site has been left abandoned and ignored, particularly in view of the fact that 9/11 is referred to, primarily by politicians, chiefly when they wish to manipulate the masses. At this point, a memorial ought to have been on site, for years, but sadly it obviously wasn't a priority. Any opportunity to spew hatred has become a hobby. It must surely be attributable to the country's warmongering mindset.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:11
Yep, the little bombast book-burner who got kicked out of Germany for abusing and stealing from his flock has weaseled his way into media whoredom so easily because the power-brokers use hate like caffeine to ramp up the stupidity that they have been pushing since I was a kid in school. I bet the history that you mention in your wonderful article, Mike, has not been mentioned in any high school history class in the last 10 or 15 years. Esau at least got some good food for selling his birthright. Our kids are being force fed stinking plastic garbage. [Well, not my kids. We filled 'em up at home with good organic whole truth as much as we could.]
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:16
Thank you, Michael for putting my feelings into words.

I was born in Germany in l939 and know the evils of persecution and discrimination only to well. And I am not even Jewish.

You sure you don't want to run for president?
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:19
YES, YES, to Michael Moore and the Mosque and to an onsite memorial park and refuge for those that died and all those that came to help that day who have sickened and died and to the survivors who still grieve. The shame of allowing two huge columns of corporate American hubris to be built instead of a memorial on the site - this is the shame of the American people.
 
 
-23 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:25
I like how all the tolerance is one way with all of you people supporting this disturbed man, Mr. Moore. Where is your support in the church that has been refused the right to rebuild their church in the area? Its easy to call people you don't know bigots or any other name you can think of. Maybe you should take into account the feelings of the people who lost loved ones at ground zero. In the end it should be them that get to decide, NOT YOU.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:00
Quoting Jason:
I like how all the tolerance is one way with all of you people supporting this disturbed man, Mr. Moore. Where is your support in the church that has been refused the right to rebuild their church in the area? Its easy to call people you don't know bigots or any other name you can think of. Maybe you should take into account the feelings of the people who lost loved ones at ground zero. In the end it should be them that get to decide, NOT YOU.


Well I certainly have taken those feelings into consideration. It's not as simple as you think. For a fact, and as someone who lost family there, I can tell you that there are surviving family members like me that agree whole heartedly with Michael Moore that this Mosque should be built right in the footprint of the first building that fell. So, on behalf of my dear cousin who died there, I commend you Michael! He was a great fan of yours and would have been proud to not have died in vain, good Christian man that he was.
 
 
+17 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:27
Pure genius, Michael. I live in a small town and I have only met Muslims who happen to be my doctor or the dentist. I don't give this discrimination against Muslims a second thought. Even if I had lived in NYC on 9/11, I would not have blamed the entire Muslim faith. This is all Bush and Cheney's doing - the haters.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-11 15:39
Bush and Cheney had many accomplices including a large segment of the public and nearly all of the media. I remember how lonely I felt after 9/11 when the country went into revenge mode and nothing I heard or saw was doing anything but whipping it up. Having seen us go down this road before with even less pretense, it was not hard to predict where we were going and how it would turn out. Our history is full of such examples going all the way back. No, groups learn nothing. They can be depended on to act like blood thirsty mobs.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:34
Thanks Mr. Moore. I've loved all your documentaries and books. I'm a rad Wesleyan grad who chose to seek a spiritual path. I discovered sufism and have been suffering from wanting to write a book about my experiences but not having the means to. Some sufi sheikhs are so deeply connected spiritually. I am such in awe at the way that a few sufi masters tried to prepare their disciples and the world for the tragedy that 9-11 was about to bring upon the world. No one knows how much they knew about what was about to happen or what spirit or angel informed them; but the books that they published are their legacy to us. I encourage all to secure a copy of Islam and World Peace by Bawa Muhaiyadeen, and Dialogue by Sheikh Abdoulaye Dieye.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:05
As a scholar I commend you Sokhna Batina. I encourage everyone to resist the urge to settle for a convenient ignorance. Do your homework for God's sake! I am not blaspheming here! Do we not all have a duty to truly come to know Him in the many ways available? Surely He is worth the effort of doing some actual reading and learning about other world views. Don't let our media be our teacher. They have lied us into ignorance long enough.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:43
I agree with Mayor Bloomeberg's view. The Government should have NO comment one way or the other.

Through this, we can see who the Intolerant, Anti-American, Anti-Constituti onalist, Opportunistic, Self Aggrandizing, Global Corporate CONservative Wealthy Talking Heads of Deliberate National Division for Profit and Fame and Infamy are in Media and Politics. We can see Global Corporate Media for what it is in general through this insane NON-ISSUE lens.

We Americans profess and sell ourselves around the world to be the center of Freedom and Liberty FOR ALL.

Who are the self serving jerks and outright threats to Freedom and Liberty for ALL in this 'Non-Issue'?

A NON-ISSUE is what this all should have been without much comment from the beginning. BECAUSE it should have been all along just one more indication to the rest of the world-> WORLD! AMERICA IS THE BEACON OF LIBERTY AND FREEDOM FOR ALL, EVEN AT GROUND ZERO.

Yet, its not really that way here, is it.
 
 
-9 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:43
If 70% of the people in this country want the mosque moved, maybe they should move it. What we should be talking about is not religion or the right to build, but good judgment. I would hate to see another Timothy McVeigh blow up a mosque full of people. We live in a violent society and to pretend that the mosque would not be in danger is just plain foolish. Wherever they build the mosque is fine with me, but given the
circumstances I think safety should be the first consideration.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-09-11 15:45
I question the 70% figure. I want to see the questions and in what context they were presented. You can always get the results you are looking for in any poll. When a third of the country thinks Obama is a Muslim, something is horribly wrong. Is it the people, the media or inaccurate polling?
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 15:58
The planners of the Park51 Project are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they do not go forward with the place, the bigotry and its fellow travelers have won. If they go ahead, they are seen as unyielding and unsympathetic to certain overblown sensitivities.

They can't win. I keep thinking we need something along the lines of what the Danes did when Jews were order to wear a yellow star of David to identify themselves to the Nazis. Everyone showed up wearing the symbol.

Michael, start something like that so we can publicly identify as Islamic sympathizers in such numbers that our Muslim citizens feel safe. Perhaps women could wear beautiful silk scarves and men could wear Muslim style head coverings (there are many styles).
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:10
What a wonderful idea! Please comment on this Michael. Without cheapening the Islamic faith, is it possible to actually become a member of that facility and have something to wear that identifies with this? Heck, I'd even consider a turban, although my look might then be offensive to too many. Any ideas?
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-09-11 20:55
You first, Daniel. Would look good on you I'm sure!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-12 02:10
Quoting rock:
You first, Daniel. Would look good on you I'm sure!


It would be an honor to wear a turban. You've inspired me! I'd love to be called a rag head to my face! It would be an honor. First I'd laugh, point at the medals on my chest and laugh some more.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 14:40
Though of course wearing a turban could be identifying as a Sikh or Rastafarian too, so a bit vague perhaps?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-13 10:37
Muslims don't wear turbans. In the Middle East, men wear head coverings because it is "sunnah" or considered respectful to God to wear it when praying.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:33
Quoting Jersey:
Muslims don't wear turbans. In the Middle East, men wear head coverings because it is "sunnah" or considered respectful to God to wear it when praying.


Thank you for educating us on this Jersey. I will wear a Sunnah whenever I pray, at home AND at my church...Christ ian by the way. And if they don't like it, well, too bad I guess. I know this seems disingenuous or patronizing but what the heck, it makes a statement to the Islamophobes at church that someone needs to make. I'm volunteering.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:06
Daniel, I'm sure most of the people who read your postings would LOVE to know just what kind of "Christian" Church you attend? Is is one where you don't hear a thing that the pastor says over 20 years perhaps? With your hateful rants and now [see above] profanity, I find it hard to swallow that your heart has been touched by the Prince of Peace.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:01
Quoting rock:
Daniel, I'm sure most of the people who read your postings would LOVE to know just what kind of "Christian" Church you attend? Is is one where you don't hear a thing that the pastor says over 20 years perhaps? With your hateful rants and now [see above] profanity, I find it hard to swallow that your heart has been touched by the Prince of Peace.

Well gladly Rock! My "rants" seem hateful because they contradict your ignorance. Go to ANY Quaker church of your choice. There are several varieties of Quaker. I have been one all of my life as my ancestors have been since this religion began in England in the 1600's. You can even speak up there! The floor is always open to anyone moved by the spirit to speak in my community! Yes! Please visit our Christian community! Feel free to hate Quakers by the way. They can take it just fine.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-15 06:39
Hate Quakers? How ridiculous can you get?
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-13 10:53
Yes, stop groveling at the feet of a religion that institutionaliz es bigotry and religious intolerance.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:35
Quoting glenn edwards:
Yes, stop groveling at the feet of a religion that institutionalizes bigotry and religious intolerance.


Like so many Christian churches do? I'm a minister's son by the way and grew up in the church. I guess my father lost his job because he refused to be a Christian bigot. He has no regrets by the way. None of us do.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:06
Oh, now I see where the hatefulness comes from! Sorry.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:03
Quoting rock:
Oh, now I see where the hatefulness comes from! Sorry.

Hate? Oh, you mean when we changed from one branch of our community to another? Again, I have no clue what you mean when you say hate, unless it is my contempt for ignorance, even my own for which I work to remedy as I can.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 13:46
Thank you! Moderate, peaceful American Muslims need all the support they can get! We hate the prejudice, bigotry and hatred being spewed. We hate violence and war and we just to live in peace with the same rights as every other American!
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:08
Quoting Joan Manning:
If 70% of the people in this country want the mosque moved, maybe they should move it. What we should be talking about is not religion or the right to build, but good judgment. I would hate to see another Timothy McVeigh blow up a mosque full of people. We live in a violent society and to pretend that the mosque would not be in danger is just plain foolish. Wherever they build the mosque is fine with me, but given the circumstances I think safety should be the first consideration.


Rather than let the terrorists within win this round, I think it would be better if the tax payers provided round the clock National Guard protection for the site. Actually, they SHOULD move to Ground Zero and have unfettered military protection if need be. Don't let the terrorist within win this one! Giving ground means they will never stop.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-12 02:12
Sad that you don't agree Rock. Presidents have had to call out the national guard in the past to enforce the protections of the US Constitution. They may have to again.

God bless them.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:07
Oh, but I do agree, Daniel!
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-12 09:58
Joan! I believe that we, as law-abiding citizens, should only follow the law of the land and ask ourselves; what does the law say?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-15 23:38
Quoting Joan Manning:
If 70% of the people in this country want the mosque moved, maybe they should move it. What we should be talking about is not religion or the right to build, but good judgment. I would hate to see another Timothy McVeigh blow up a mosque full of people. We live in a violent society and to pretend that the mosque would not be in danger is just plain foolish. Wherever they build the mosque is fine with me, but given the
circumstances I think safety should be the first consideration.

Yeah, mob rule is definitely the way to go. /sarcasm
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-11 12:48
Thank you, Michael - for saying what so many of us 'think' but don't always know how to say it!!!
 
 
+20 # goodsensecynic 2010-09-11 13:01
I am in total agreement, but would like to add one thing. September 11 is a day for commemorating people who died horribly in an orgy of violence directed against democracy itself. September 11 initiated a fascistic dictatorship that imprisoned tortured and killed over 20,000 people, suppressed others and drove many more into exile.

That happened on September 11, 1973. The democratically elected president of Chile died that day. The Anaconda mining interests, the CIA and the president of the United States of America encouraged and enabled the vicious military take-over and the next two decades of tyranny.

I mourn for the 3,000 Americans killed in 2001. I mourn for the 20,000 Chileans killed in 1973. And I mourn for the roughly 7,000 people killed, on average, every single day of World War II, from its beginning on September 1, 1939 to its effective end on August 9, 1945.

Peace!
 
 
+17 # Guest 2010-09-11 13:15
All this hysteria about the mosque and the Islamophobia is just the Republican campaign for the Nov. elections. They have nothing else to run on other than fear, hatred, and a lunatic non-issue. This is how all fascist parties run in elections -- arouse fear and hatred for some minority that is planning to kill the majority. The Nazi did it in the 20s. It is working now. The fascists won't ever run on what they really plan to do because no one would vote for them. But all of the idiots in the US will vote Republican because they will stop the ground zero mosque and they will keep america safe from muslims.

I wonder if the blowhards on AM hate radio care about the porno shop, the gay bar, and all the homeless people two blocks from ground zero? Probably they would if Glenn Beck told them to be afraid.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:08
I don't even have to read this article to know that I agree with it! Like, Dude, what could be more obvious--of course it's an awesome idea!
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:12
Joan Manning, you are very, very wrong re. "...safety should be the first consideration." No, Michael puts his life and safety on the line every time he blasts our villianaire rulers with one of his movies, his website, his articles, his devotion to truth. I say a prayer for the safety of the dear disabled angels in my life, every time I put on my old legal hat and assist at the trials of "anarchists". That's what the govt. operatives, a.k.a. 'spooks' call peaceful peace demonstrators all across the country. I now say: PROUD TO BE AN ANARCHIST (not an American).

I say the same prayer for their safety when I put on my old journalist hat and, let the truth rip, much to the disgust of our villianaire greed and power addicted rulers. After all, truth interferes with and renders unsafe their absolute control (power) over us, and threatens the continuing flow into their bottomless pockets of their beloved billions.

COURAGE FIRST!
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:18
You quote John Lennon "nothing to kill or die for and no religion, too." and say he was right, then espouse a mosque on ground zero. If you would contradict John Lennon and yourself and endorse one religion to be there, at least have the decency of endorsing a community center on Ground Zero for all religions -with a mosque, a church, a synagogue, and whatever religions would like to have a place to worship on sacred grounds for peace and harmony on earth. If that were to take place true healing might begin.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:22
re: "The remains of over 1,100 people still haven't been found."

They will never be found because they were vaporized by the explosives which caused the mid-air pulverization of 90000 tons of concrete & metal decking. Watch the videos - the buildings turn to dust as they are falling.

What are you going to believe, the corporate rulers' conspiracy theory which defies physical laws or your own two eyes?
 
 
+14 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:23
The US is now building one of our largest embassies in Iraq. I just wonder how most of the Iraqi's feel about how such an edifice at the center of their "ancient civilization"? I don't think we asked them and even if they were to question it, it is still going there. What happened to the American sense of "fairness"?
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:29
you're the man, Michael. just donated. hope lots more people do. want you to get out your check book.
 
 
+30 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:43
People tell me to go back to my country regularly, I am called a terrorist every second day, I am discriminated against and my life is made very difficult whenever I want to travel, find a job, do financial transactions, donate money. I am a second generation Canadian. My father worked as a paver for his thirty years in Canada, and people are unaware that the many roads they drive on, my father helped build. I am a civil engineer my wife is a nurse. We try to contribute to this nation yet we are barely tolerated here.

What have we done wrong? I volunteer, work, pay taxes, donate money to social causes, don't do drugs, have never been convicted of a crime, get along very well with my neighbours, who are extremely happy to have someone who keeps their yard and house pristine. As for my family in iraq, I lost many relatives in 1991 because of an american bomb, and lost my brother and his family to another american bomb. I ask for peace
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-09-11 17:14
Mohammed, thank you for coming forth and telling your story. You have not done anything wrong. You have lost family members to American bombs and yet instead of espousing anger and hatred, you ask for peace. You are doing everything right.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:18
Bless you Mohammed. I pray for your lost family members and the safety of the living. I wish you peace. I wish this for all of us. I hope the day will come when we are judged for the content of our character and not the color of our skin, our ethnic lineage, our religious beliefs and all of the other things that divide us. We SHALL overcome someday.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-12 12:00
You are doing nothing wrong, Mohammed. Rather, you show true courage by speaking out. Those who persecute you are the wrong ones; they are in darkness and do not realize that we are all one in the One in the depths where it really matters. We are only different on the surface. The world will be at peace only when all peoples recognize and accept this truth. May our consciousness change for the better SOON!
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:52
Bless you Michael for reminding all of us what this country was founded on. From my perspective, our founding fathers' intent was truth, freedom for all and to evolve beyond what it was like in 1776. Your article is a masterpiece and should be read to ALL school children.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 14:54
Michael thank you for reminding us of what this country is suppose to be about. This should be read to ALL school children. Bigotry and hate is the downfall of any nation. Bravo!
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-11 16:52
so true
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-11 15:32
Religion is the excuse for all evil.
 
 
+6 # RICHARDKANEpa 2010-09-11 15:56
point #3, "Read about his past here", should have been half of Moore’s article.

For the last 10 years it seems more and more people think Islam not just al Qaeda, attacked the US on 9/11. Imam Feisal Rauf who wants to build a community center spoke out for peace. Clerics who have done less for peace than him in Afghanistan and Pakistan had their mosques attacked during worship services. Imaging being afraid of attack when every time one attended religious service. Imagine in Spain for years after the Madrid backpack bombing being afraid every time one commuted to and from work, not just on less frequent airplane trips like Americans do. Let’s dwell not only on the US attack but the other victims of bin Laden’s terror. Then we would stop blaming the Islam religion in general for the attack.

See,
http://readersupportednews.org//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3274

http://www.phillyimc.org/es/challenging-hate
 
 
-7 # Guest 2010-09-11 16:21
Ayann Hirsi Ali writes, "wishful thinking about the peaceful tolerance of Islam cannot interpret away this reality: hands are still cut off, women are still stoned and enslaved, just as the Prophet Muhammad decided centuries ago. The kind of thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia, and among the Muslim Brotherhood in Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values...
When people say that the values of Isalm are compassion, tolerance, and freedom, I look at reality, at real cultures and governmants, and I see that it simply isan't so. People in the West swallow this sort of thing because they have learned not to examine the religions or culture of minoritiews too critically, for fear of being called racist."
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:27
You are absolutely WRONG! Third world Muslims are just as much a product of cultural dictates and developments many even predating Mohammed himself. The excesses you speak of are a part of many cultures in this world, not just SOME muslim communities. And don't forget, while European Christians have packaged their violence differently, their virtual genocide of indigenous cultures in the western hemisphere, and this is recent history, is equally deplorable. The Muslims are no more a monolithic community than any other. There are Muslim communities that have evolved in very different ways from the extremes you cite. I happen to intensely dislike the abuses you describe and fancy myself a feminist, but you are just plain wrong to categorically mislabel ALL Muslims and to deny that one can be a faithful follower of Islam AND be very modern in understanding, respect of women's rights and desire for peaceful coexistence. You cannot honestly label an entire civilization as you have.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-12 12:05
I appreciate and enjoy your posts, Daniel Fletcher, and usually agree with them. There are extremists and bigots in every religious tradition...dar kness exists in every human psyche and those who deny it the loudest are the ones it eventually rules, sometimes driving them to despicable behaviors. And most definitely YES, among Christians as among any other group.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-13 11:00
perhaps you fancy yourself a feminist, but you are coming across as a deluded male who ignores the obvious mistreament and wholesale subjugation of woman thorughout the Muslim world.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:42
Quoting glenn edwards:
perhaps you fancy yourself a feminist, but you are coming across as a deluded male who ignores the obvious mistreament and wholesale subjugation of woman thorughout the Muslim world.


No. I'm mindful of the fact that the wholesale subjugation of women is a global phenomena not at all specific to the Muslim world. Women in India and China and other Asian countries are treated no better for a multiple of reasons including very, very old religious ones. Me deluded? Is that how I sound? I had worked with Pakistani families, mostly Muslim, resettling here in America and their women did not wear burkhas and held professional occupations for the most part. Wherever quality education and a standard of living is higher than normally experienced in the third world, woman's rights are making huge gains. Pre-invasion Iraq had woman lawyers, judges, doctors and so forth, as Egypt and Jordan do now. You are deluded for believing in monolithic Islam. That's a lie.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-15 23:54
Quoting glenn edwards:
perhaps you fancy yourself a feminist, but you are coming across as a deluded male who ignores the obvious mistreament and wholesale subjugation of woman thorughout the Muslim world.

It is not that terribly long ago that women were property of their husbands, that husbands were expected to treat their wives as we treat children now-days, that men were permitted to discipline their wives with any stick so long as it was not the width of his thumb (go look it up, the Rule of Thumb), and so on and so forth. Good grief, women's suffrage was a long and hard won battle that was only won a blink of an eye ago! This is something that Christianity is also guilty of, do you suggest we should treat Christians the way that Muslims are treated based on this excuse?
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 19:31
Dee
Does that you do not believe that some that is a Muslim can not come to the west and change what they learned before?

Read the Christian Bible. It teaches many things that we no longer do. Judge the person and their actions. If they are acting in ways that are against the laws in this country, treat them as criminals regardless of their religion.
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-09-13 16:02
Thank you, Dee, for this courageous post!
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-09-13 19:52
What a courageous act it would be to become better informed and not to cave into the convenient ignorance of so many who don't bother to read the Koran, actually talk to American Muslims and, gasp, read scholarly books on the subject where they might find that there is an incredible diversity of opinion, perception and information. That would take so much effort so above and beyond what most people are willing to give before ejecting their ill informed feelings as though they were facts.
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:11
Dan, if you held back on the invective, you would be more effective!
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:40
Quoting rock:
Dan, if you held back on the invective, you would be more effective!


If I were looking for converts I'd be more concerned about this. I'm not. I couldn't care less. The truth can speak for itself much better than I can. Invective is a matter of your perception more than mine in my opinion, but I could be wrong. I still am not going to waste any time on making "happy" in matters of certain interests of mine. I think being politically correct for the sake of assuaging people's feelings is a dishonest activity any way. Why bother?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-19 07:28
Dee and Rock,
Islam is the reason my father spent all his money on educating me, always treated me and my only brother equally in everything, Islam is why my brother would always respect me as his older sister and has always been pushing me to achieve more and more out of life. As I grew up I took an interest in History and later became a history teacher, and from history I learned how the women had no rights in the west until very recently, how their husbands “by law” could sell them if they ever needed the money! How they could never own land, homes or sign any binding contracts! And never inherit anything even if there was no one but them. While in Islam my birthright is mine and I can trade, work and own pretty much everything I want! A lot of non Muslims talk about Islam like they know better, its like trying to correct someone on their native language when you don’t speak it but have a translation book in your hands!
 
 
+14 # Guest 2010-09-11 16:23
In actuality the function of declaring to build a mosque on ground zero had little to do with actually building a mosque. It had everything to do with creating even more dissension among the American people. And it worked. So successfully the Perpetrators are dancing in the streets. No I'm not only talking about the Muslims, I'm talking about the Corporate Elite who want to see a Republican take over of congress.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 16:51
exactly
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:29
Right Basil, and you can be sure that many Rethugliecons don't give a damn one way or the other. Their only God is power and they will do anything, even betraying all of us, in their megalomania.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-12 05:21
too true!!
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 16:50
applaud applaud....than k you and I'm tired of it too.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 17:10
We become what we hate (and fear).
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-11 17:18
I just donated $10. Proud to be an atheist, and not so proud to be an American these days. Moore/Nader in 2012!
 
 
-26 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:13
HELLO: ISN'T MICHAEL MOORE SOMEWHAT WHACKO?" JUST BECAUSE HE THINKS DIFFERENT THAN OBAMA (BUT MAYBE SOME IS THE SAME) DOESN'T MEAN WE PATRIOTS, BY THE WAY HAVE A LOT OF EMOTIONAL FEEINGS ESPECIALLY ABOUT 9-11, REJECT THE MOSQUE DOESN'T MEAN SOME OF US HAVE NOT BEEN AWAKE FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN DC. THE MOSQUE IS AN ABOMINATION TO ANY REAL AMERICAN. THE MUSLIMS HAVE OVER 100 MOSQUES IN NEW YORK, HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE TO BUILD TO PROVE THEIR POINT? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH MICHAEL MOORE.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 20:41
You are confused Dolores...obvio usly. How many Catholic Churches are in New York? Have you forgotten that they were discriminated against as well in past years? And how many more bars are there? Strip clubs and all that stuff?

Relax. They have to put up with us and we have to put up with each other, like it or not. I think that's a little closer to the American way.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-12 10:25
Dolores, it's patriotic to have the community center built. It is unpatriotic, on the other hand, to overlook the law of the land, the constitution. And consider this; why build another corporate tower for only a few corporate elites who don't give a damn about the lost souls of 9/11? Ground Zero should be made into a constant reminder of the victims and symbol of rejecting terrorism and violence.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-13 10:51
What point are 'they' trying to prove,do you think?
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:43
Quoting Noah:
What point are 'they' trying to prove,do you think?


Enlighten us.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-16 00:10
As for 100 mosques in New York, so what, how many Christian Churches are in that state? It seems to me that their "point" is that they wish to exercise their right, supposedly shared by all on American soil, to worship as they choose. I will support that right until my dying day because of so many who have given up their lives to secure that right for me (and you). Quoting Daniel Fletcher:
Quoting Noah:
What point are 'they' trying to prove,do you think?


Enlighten us.

Quoting Daniel Fletcher:
Quoting Noah:
What point are 'they' trying to prove,do you think?


Enlighten us.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-16 00:08
Quoting Dolores Hart:
THE MOSQUE IS AN ABOMINATION TO ANY REAL AMERICAN.

I find it an abomination that the freedom to worship as one chooses, the spiritual being of their choosing, in the manner that they choose, without fear has been tossed out and that the actions of a few have been used as a tool of propaganda to sway the minds of many to propel a few to increased power. A community center that is being provided by a group that can help an area that is in sore need being blocked because of prejudice and bigotry, I find that an abomination. That this terrible wound-in the landscape of NYC as well as in the national psyche-has been allowed to sit open and festering, that is an abomination.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:24
In addition to all the great points mentioned by Michael and in various posts, opposition to the Muslim Center is hurting US security interests and endangering US soldiers by making it harder to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is giving Bin Laden and other extremists a victory by reinforcing their message that we are at war with Islam.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-13 11:04
That is what Chamberlain said about Hitler. Appeasement has never been anything other than what it is as defined by history; a failed strategy with generally tragic outcomes.
 
 
+8 # LibbyBuck 2010-09-11 18:39
This thought about an act of love and respect brought tears to my eyes.

We have endured 9 years of total evil corruption and lies about 9/11. 8 years of war, 9 years of hate, and 9 years of unprecedented everything; from the weather to the economy.

All we seem to be able to do is sit and watch the shiny box. We proceed to vehemently bitch and moan about the phony-bunch-of- bullshit the media is creating about all of it and then we spend about 3 - 4 hours watching perfectly grown men run and throw. This last activity brings us great pleasure and sometimes, potato chips.

It's refreshing to be offered an opportunity to live with a higher consciousness than that and to give a little bit of respect and love to a community outside my own.

If this happened more often, planet earth would be a better place to live.

Thank you Michael Moore and Reader Supported News. Thank you very much.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:43
i agree wholeheartedly with everything michael moore is saying.
one thing more: a vision: i see the imam, a priest, a rabbi, a
buddhist leader, a native american leader all standing at the
new mosque site, arms linked, saying: you cannot turn us against one another, we are one, this is an interfaith site, no one can divide us, God is One.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 11:07
I see the best architectural and artistic efforts of our country coalesced in the total absence of any religious reference. Let the worshipping, groveling adherents of the hocus pocus of religion relegate themselves to the dustbins of history.
 
 
-10 # Guest 2010-09-11 18:48
I would really love to see ANY of you saviors of American values go and talk to the families of the REAL victims and explain to them how unfair it is that this building is being challenged! Tell the families that they are "bigots", "fascists" and "Un-American" for speaking against the mosque. How dare you talk about having tolerance for the Islamic faith and yet quickly throw Christians and others under the bus! You love to talk about freedom and Democracy only when it suites YOUR needs. If you truely believed in our systems...then let's put it to a vote and see what happens?
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 19:20
Jason,

I don't suppose you- or anyone else for that matter- could explain to us how World Trade Center building 7 collapsed on the afternoon of Sept. 11, 2001.

Either it was: a) pre-rigged to implode like any other building that the owners plan to take down... or b) felt sympathetic to its WTC1 and WTC2 brethren and just decided to freefall into its own footprint, perhaps in an noble display of solidarity.

Your choice.

TeeVee media lies, and has a deep history of lying. Ask any Russian, German, Japanese, Chinese, Italian, Spanish, Mexican... or American.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-12 06:26
What nonsense. The collapse of Building 7 was the same as the others, FIRE weakened the structures lower levels.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-12 09:15
Quoting Darin Presley:
What nonsense. The collapse of Building 7 was the same as the others, FIRE weakened the structures lower levels.


Nope. You have forgotten that the fires in buildings 1 and 2 were started in the upper floors of both buildings. If you go to YouTube The Real Truth About the 9/11 attacks, you will see and hear the citizens at the scene describing the sounds of "explosions in the floors beneath us" BEFORE the buildings came down "in their own footprints," as could only have happened with the use of pre-planted explosives.

These had to have been planted during the several weeks BEFORE 9/11 when a Texan's brother was in charge of "security" at the WTC. Hear the building engineers describing the sounds of timed detonations in WTC's 1 and 2
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-12 11:30
I didn't "forget" anything. The debris burning debris from WTC 1 & 2 started the fire in Building 7. The sounds were "explosions," they were the sounds of uppers floors caving in on the lower floors. Once the interior structures gave way, there was too much stress on the outside walls and they caved inward. I have structural engineers (2) in my family. There were no explosives. There is no conspiracy.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-13 01:50
A rebuttal of NIST's theory of WTC collapse was published in July 2010 in the Journal of Engineering. The following is what I think is the most poignant point on the author's website, a smoking gun if I ever saw one:

Diagram 3.15 from the NIST report at:
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist7.htm
shows WTC7 fell at FREE FALL speed between 1.75 seconds and 4 seconds into the collapse. This can ONLY occur if the resistance from the building below is ZERO - ie ALL support columns had been removed in under 2 seconds for AT LEAST 8 stories of the building! What can remove all the steel columns all at once? NIST has no answer. The only explanation possible is controlled demolition
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:45
Quoting Brian Horsfield:
A rebuttal of NIST's theory of WTC collapse was published in July 2010 in the Journal of Engineering. The following is what I think is the most poignant point on the author's website, a smoking gun if I ever saw one:

Diagram 3.15 from the NIST report at:
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist7.htm
shows WTC7 fell at FREE FALL speed between 1.75 seconds and 4 seconds into the collapse. This can ONLY occur if the resistance from the building below is ZERO - ie ALL support columns had been removed in under 2 seconds for AT LEAST 8 stories of the building! What can remove all the steel columns all at once? NIST has no answer. The only explanation possible is controlled demolition


The truth will set us free...if we let it. When will we open our eyes?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 17:35
The NIST report wasn't about debunking crazy theories. It was a building performance report, and is easy to find online.

The buildings did not fall in a vacuum, therefore this "free fall" nonsense is just that; nonsense. Buildings DO fall "from the top down" when the upper support structures give way and massive amounts of debris fall downward onto the lower floors, thus causing their collapse as well. "photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view."

This site does a wonderful job of debunking all the crazy conspiracy stories. http://www.jod911.com/drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 19:59
Thank you for your informative post Darin. So why do you think there is such unwillingness on the part of the government to reexamin the matter? There are numerous authoritative sources that would argue with you. I would vastly prefer your description, but there are compelling ones from a variety of qualified sources that strongly disagree. Though extremely expensive, research could occur that would either prove or disprove what your source seems to describe. There are multiple holes in the official version that strain credulity and I'd like to try to understand why our government refuses so far to dispel them at all, when this could be definitively accomplished. Why the reluctance? What do you think?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 03:48
There aren't any holes, and the government certainly has more important things to do than spending millions of dollars discrediting every crackpot conspiracy.

The most compelling evidence against some sort of conspiracy is pure common sense: that no one can keep their mouth shut. It would have taken thousands of hours to rig those buildings, and many individuals to do so. There is no way so many people could be involved and no one spills the beans. Not in our current "15 minutes of Fame" culture.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:13
Exactly! Well said, Darin!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:34
I certainly hope you are correct. But there are holes, and the government can afford the luxury of filling them. It isn't too much to ask in a supposedly free society. I'm not an engineer so I don't know lot's of things, but too many qualified people have doubts and these doubts deserve to be cleared up. Why not? Oh, the doubters don't matter I suppose. Well they do, so let's invest what ever energy it takes to respond.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-16 04:03
There. Are. No. Holes.

Except the huge void filling the cranial cavities of conspiracy theorists.

And you are correct. The doubters don't matter because no matter how many investigations, no matter how many explanations, there will be some loon with a "degree" that will seize upon some tiny awkward phrase or wording and claim another cover-up.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 20:50
Yes Jason, let's put it to a vote. Of course that means we'd have to put the Constitution to a vote as well since the proposed community center is Constitutionall y protected. Of course, as a family member of one who died there, a fine Christian man who with me had Muslim neighbors, I would actually prefer that this community center be built right in the footprint of the first building that fell. What makes you think that you and your kind own America, and those of us who love tolerance, diversity and seek to make bridges with the world, don't also own America? Who are YOU to decide who deserves to be among us and who doesn't? I tolerate fools like you gladly. You should do the same. As for your needs, why do YOU need to hate so much? What's wrong with you? Isn't it enough that nearly 60 Muslims died in the World Trade Center, and Muslim firefighters, policemen and citizens that came to help also died? They don't count? Are you crazy?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-12 02:19
I suppose it would be too much to ask if the nay sayers would bother to answer the questions before marking a thumbs down.
Oh well. Truth isn't a popularity contest any way.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-12 10:47
Jason, There's absolutely no need for a vote. The matter is settled under the law of the land. End of discussion.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-11 19:42
After listening to the right wing rabid mouth foaming so called American "Christian" hypocrites who are nothing but anti-Islamic, anti-Hispanic, anti-black, anti-everything that is fundamentally American and decent, these hypocrites are proving that the Islamic religion is far superior than the Christian one.

These Christian hypocrites should go on record as being un-American, non-Americans, traitors to everything democracy stands for and the scum of planet Earth!

Only in America, folks!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-11 19:51
As much as I admire George Washington for his leadership and courage in fighting the British for independence, I don't consider him a standard bearer for equality among humans. Let's not forget that George owned slaves. It would have been a magnificent gesture of tolerance if he had set them free while he lived, instead of after his death.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-12 02:25
Quoting C.P.:
As much as I admire George Washington for his leadership and courage in fighting the British for independence, I don't consider him a standard bearer for equality among humans. Let's not forget that George owned slaves. It would have been a magnificent gesture of tolerance if he had set them free while he lived, instead of after his death.


Actually, this practice was common among many principled people in his time. Part of the reason that freedom was delayed was a perhaps misguided notion that keeping them for that time ensured that they'd have a place to live and a certain degree of security. At the time, a freed slave with nowhere to go was extremely vulnerable to being retaken as a slave. Also, many of the founding fathers hoped that the institution of slavery would end in the then very near future any way. That Washington was a man of his time does not dilute the truths he articulated one bit.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 19:52
I'm just waiting to see what everyone has to say when the REAL TRUTH! comes out. CAN'T WAIT!!
 
 
+14 # Guest 2010-09-11 20:38
The "real victims" include Iraqis civilians, too, most unfortunately, who were invaded and slaughtered because Bush felt like ***playing*** Texan cowboy games. There are hundreds of thousands of those. I think the cultural centre (and mosque) should be built in their honor, as an act of contrition, for war crimes.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 02:27
Quoting Jyll:
The "real victims" include Iraqis civilians, too, most unfortunately, who were invaded and slaughtered because Bush felt like ***playing*** Texan cowboy games. There are hundreds of thousands of those. I think the cultural centre (and mosque) should be built in their honor, as an act of contrition, for war crimes.


What a good idea Jyll! Excellent in fact! A truly inspired thought!
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-09-11 21:28
I wrote this on a similar thread, but it bears repeating. There was a segment on the 9/9 Kieth Olberman show about a mosqe being built near a Christian church. The Christians gave the Moslems room to pray in their church until the mosqe was ready.
 
 
-4 # Guest 2010-09-11 21:50
As a philosopher and thinker of ideas, I view your rationality as truly messed up. Your words make no sense and in fact, only prove that you are a man of extreme and skewed thinking. I would be more than happy to meet with you and demonstrate to you how your ideas are in complete contradiction to the great philosophers of the ages. I hope that you can fine a lace in your heart beyond your irrationality, to apologize to the 3,000 whom you disgrace in this message.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 02:31
Quoting Susan:
As a philosopher and thinker of ideas, I view your rationality as truly messed up. Your words make no sense and in fact, only prove that you are a man of extreme and skewed thinking. I would be more than happy to meet with you and demonstrate to you how your ideas are in complete contradiction to the great philosophers of the ages. I hope that you can fine a lace in your heart beyond your irrationality, to apologize to the 3,000 whom you disgrace in this message.


As an admirer of and avid reader of philosophy I'd like to know whom you are addressing. Michael Moore? If so, I would hope he would take you on. I'm just curious to know what you think the antithesis for his general position happens to be? As well, what do you imagine his thesis to be? It would be interesting to know.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-13 11:01
Quoting Susan:
As a philosopher and thinker of ideas, I view your rationality as truly messed up. Your words make no sense and in fact, only prove that you are a man of extreme and skewed thinking. I would be more than happy to meet with you and demonstrate to you how your ideas are in complete contradiction to the great philosophers of the ages. I hope that you can fine a lace in your heart beyond your irrationality, to apologize to the 3,000 whom you disgrace in this message.

Who, or what, are you talking about, or referring to?
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-11 22:15
Michael, You and your readers may want to read this article, "Then what? The Consequences of Lighting the Anti-Muslim Fuse".

http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/20100825053912401

I'm also struck by the ratio of 60 over 2,752, which is the number of Muslims believed to have died on 9/11, out of the total; over 1 in 50. Are they too, not the REAL victims, as well as the innocent men, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and others, who were murdered in post 9/11 hate-backlash.

I just returned from Berlin and Prague where I saw so much evidence of the terrible destruction of war and hatred, and so much contrition and atonement once people recognized the awful toll their hatred caused. I wish these lessons learned could be bottled and everyone here could take a bitter sip of this cup of knowledge. Once mobs are created and stirred up, they take on lives of their own, and they cannot be called back.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-11 22:49
I just donated $10. I'm glad that there's still some wit and wisdom in the US of A.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-11 23:13
This is indeed a sad day not just for Americans but also for the families and friends of the victims of 9/11 from dozens of countries around the world. On this day I am also reminded that since 9/11 there are grieving families and friends of at least 100,000 dead Iraqis and thousands of dead Afghanis, most of whom had nothing to do with these attacks and most of whom were Muslims. The over reaction to the building of a mosque near ground zero is a product of unscrupulous politicians and a media more concerned about how many tweets it receives than providing news. How else can one explain that Paris Hilton gets more coverage than the millions of homeless, starving Pakistani people?
You are right on Michael. If ever there was a need for a sane voice it is now.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 03:16
Michael Moore I love you and you make me proud to be a human being. I had started to lose that feeling of having any connection to people. Its like beating your head against a very hard and thick wall. You only end up with a headache and the wall doesn't even know you've been there. Please continue your work for the ones like me who have never been heard or understood.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-09-12 03:46
I worked 16 hours days. Seven days a week at ground zero restoring the infrastructure so that the religious institution known as Wall Street could be back on line in less than a week. I was numbed by what I saw.

A priest sat down next to me as I was having a meal in the tent that was set up for us workers. I told him not to peddle his religion at me. I told him that what I see and smell around us is the outcome of a few people who believed that they were obeying the will of their god.

Were not some Christians dutifully obeying the will of their god during that period of genocide known as the Crusades?
I have no patience for religions and the ignorance they foster. Spare me your platitudes and your pity...

I believe in a higher entity than man, not in the traditions and pontifications of men. The best shrine would be a park for all people. Nothing religious at all. A non-sectarian place of meditation.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 04:22
That is absolutely great to see you speak up for what America stands for. It is unfortunate this bigger representation of what is American is lost in the minds of simpletons.

I totally agree with you and hope we can take back what makes America great.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-12 06:44
The Mosque, in my opinion, is not being
built for the victims. It is for those who celebrated and burned the American Flag when 9/11 happened. Its nonsenseto say this is prejudice not to want to be
reminded everyday of their loved ones they lost. Its so easy to beat your chest
and say "this is America". It won't be
long if we continue to run away from the
truth.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 12:47
Quoting Carolyn Forrest:
The Mosque, in my opinion, is not being
built for the victims. It is for those who celebrated and burned the American Flag when 9/11 happened. Its nonsenseto say this is prejudice not to want to be
reminded everyday of their loved ones they lost. Its so easy to beat your chest
and say "this is America". It won't be
long if we continue to run away from the
truth.


Gee Carolynn, I don't recall a single American Muslim or Muslim foreigner in America burning any flags at all. I do recall an Egyptian Muslim store owner being murdered shortly after for the crime of being Muslim. Islam did not cause 9/11...a bunch of lunatics who happened to be Muslim did. Our response to date has been to emulate terrorism in every way imaginable by killing tens if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims since then calling them collateral damage. You have a convenient conscience, an immorally selective one.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-12 15:53
Daniel, I *so* enjoy your posts. You are such a voice of reason and the freshest breath of air, in ages. Please keep on ...
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 20:40
Quoting Jyll:
Daniel, I *so* enjoy your posts. You are such a voice of reason and the freshest breath of air, in ages. Please keep on ...


Well, I must be on a bunch of the wrong kinds of lists out there but I appreciate that I am not alone. "They" may "win" God knows what of me, but they'll never win our hearts and minds. Let's not go quietly Jyll. You keep on speaking too.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:16
Who said she was talking about "American" Muslims? Of course no American Muslim is going to burn the flag . . . not in public anyway! But do you think any of them celebrated 9/11?
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:13
Quoting rock:
Who said she was talking about "American" Muslims? Of course no American Muslim is going to burn the flag . . . not in public anyway! But do you think any of them celebrated 9/11?

I have no way of knowing the percentage of Muslims in the world who have celebrated 911. I saw on TV that some did. I saw many that did not, and I do mean Muslims in other countries. We received condolences from many. I have traveled extensively and know many Muslims, American and foreign, and those who DO celebrate it certainly exist but I have never noticed a generally positive sentiment in favor of 911 among the Muslims I have known and following popular middle east media, have never heard of anything indicating that most Muslims favored 911. Only in American media have I ever heard the suggestion. Many think we may have brought this on ourselves, but I hear that from as many non-Muslims as well.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-16 00:27
Quoting rock:
Who said she was talking about "American" Muslims? Of course no American Muslim is going to burn the flag . . . not in public anyway! But do you think any of them celebrated 9/11?

And what about those freaks of the Westboro Baptist Church who carry signs thanking God for 9/11 and celebrate 9/11 on a regular basis? Shall we call all Baptists terrorists, also?
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-17 14:03
Ssh! Don't tell anyone, but they are not "Baptists." Look into it. Of course, they do call themselves "Baptists."
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-16 00:24
Quoting Carolyn Forrest:
The Mosque, in my opinion, is not being
built for the victims. It is for those who celebrated and burned the American Flag when 9/11 happened. Its nonsenseto say this is prejudice not to want to be
reminded everyday of their loved ones they lost. Its so easy to beat your chest
and say "this is America". It won't be
long if we continue to run away from the
truth.

This COMMUNITY CENTER, in my opinion, is being built to improve the surrounding community and provide a sorely needed service to that area. The only ones "beating their chests" are the ones taking what is a NON-ISSUE and pumping a lot of hot air into it to make it into an issue that will further divide our country so that they can gain more political power.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-12 07:39
I just finished reading all the responses to Michael Moore's article. It was gratifying to witness the vast majority of support for Michael, The Cordoba Initiative, and Muslims in general. As Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) is quoted:

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Our Bill of Rights guarantees all Americans the freedom of religion. Any statement and/or action opposed to this RIGHT is un-American at it's core.

(so I donated to the Cordoba Initiative as well....)
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-12 08:44
What was the message of the blockbuster movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11"? Was it not that there was far more to the 9/11/2001 "terrorist" attacks than met the eye, or that we were told about in the news media?? In other words, if there was either a "red-flag operation" or collusion with foreign terrorists by those in oil, oops, I mean power, indirectly led out by CIA asset Osama bin Laden and/or his lieutenants, then does it not seem strange that we are only talking about "19 guys who stole and hid behind a normally peaceful religion, to do their dastardly deeds??

Who were the "other guys?" The 9/11 Commission Report was no more truthful than was the Warren Commission Report about who the real, multiple shooters were who stood in many places except the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository at the SE corner!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-12 09:07
M. Moore, you did it again, so much sense! Let's all remember which of the world's religions use a torture device as their chosen symbol. We view some of that religion's uninformed every day carrying the flag of bigotry & hate on the streets of our cities. They are so proud to trash another's faith & at the same time doing harm to their own. It's a puzzle isn't it......our "nut-cases" versus the "nut cases" of an Eastern religion, & probably about the same percentage of intolerant individuals in each faith. Maybe that proves we're about all the same, huh? MM
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-12 10:00
methinks this response very apropos...
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 10:43
Yeah, that'll help cement the big lie that Arabs carried out 9/11. Great, Mike.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-12 10:55
It isn't a matter of religion it is the principle in this matter. A monument park should be built and nothing else period. I don't care who is nice, or athist, or a crack head, it is the principle. Take a look at WHAT the Americans give to those who come over here from other countires ALREADY. We are generous, but we must take a stand. Even YOU Michael Moore have an opinion that is your freedom of speech at work in AMERICA, not Iran, or Iraq, or some other third world country where YOU would die for speaking out. Get that in your head
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 12:51
You evidently just don't get it, do you Delightful. It is the insane Islamophobia and irrational blame of Islam that wholly justifies Michael Moore's position.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-09-12 11:50
Bravo, Mr. Moore. Maybe this recent show of xenophobia has finally roused the rest of us to talk back. Silent no more, I hope.
 
 
-2 # Jane Gilgun 2010-09-12 11:59
Hooray for Michael Moore. Maybe the current wave of xenophobia will result in more conversations about American values and the US Constitution. It's time to talk back to those who think they are right to ignore the Constitution.
 
 
+1 # webseeker 2010-09-12 15:38
Great article Michael,

What I'd like to know is what happened to the Burlington coat factory? Why did it move. Where the jobs outsourced or did they move to another US location?

Also who is the current owner of the WTC, did Larry Silverstien retain ownership after receiving the billions in insurance. If I remember correctly Larry purchased the property about two months before the event and had them insured against terrorist attacks. The buildings were full of asbestos that required about 200 million to remove, why would anyone want these structures?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-15 10:10
Quoting webseeker:
Great article Michael,

What I'd like to know is what happened to the Burlington coat factory? Why did it move. Where the jobs outsourced or did they move to another US location?

Also who is the current owner of the WTC, did Larry Silverstien retain ownership after receiving the billions in insurance. If I remember correctly Larry purchased the property about two months before the event and had them insured against terrorist attacks. The buildings were full of asbestos that required about 200 million to remove, why would anyone want these structures?


BRILLIANT observation! Larry now owns the Sears Tower (which I believe has been renamed) in Chicago - since 9/11 the tallest building in North America. I know that just hedging my bets on the side of safety, I would not be a tenant there!
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-12 15:58
it's easy to tell the MOST TOLERANT NATION on EARTH to be tolerant,

the difficulty is in telling INTOLERANT (ISLAMIC STATES) NATIONS (that allow no other religions than Islam) to be TOLERANT.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-09-12 20:49
Quoting bid:
it's easy to tell the MOST TOLERANT NATION on EARTH to be tolerant,

the difficulty is in telling INTOLERANT (ISLAMIC STATES) NATIONS (that allow no other religions than Islam) to be TOLERANT.


Well, bid, the nobility of our tolerance has nothing at all to do with the intolerance of others. Since you mention Islamic states (MOST middle eastern states are not, by the way...as far as I can recall off hand, Mullahs leading only Iran along with the military and the rest being military, royal or other secular tyrants) I am aware of many Christian communities in that part of the world. In fact, OUR intolerance is an actual threat to their safety because WE are so widely INCORRECTLY perceived as a Christian state, which, by the way, we are NOT...by law.

Uh...we really don't have any business telling any other state to be tolerant really, sovereignty being what it is and all.

We SHOULD be distinguished for our tolerance. We are the USA, right?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-15 08:32
Ummm . . . Actually we are a Nation founded on Christian principles. Many people believe that this is the reason the United States flourished - looking at the historical time-table - the casual observer with a modicum of honesty and common sense might be able to see that as the Nation moved further-and-fur ther away from these principles that the more-and-more the country has declined. Indeed!
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-15 15:11
Quoting Too Sad:
Ummm . . . Actually we are a Nation founded on Christian principles. Many people believe that this is the reason the United States flourished - looking at the historical time-table - the casual observer with a modicum of honesty and common sense might be able to see that as the Nation moved further-and-further away from these principles that the more-and-more the country has declined. Indeed!


Sorry to say Too Sad, but you are historically incorrect. Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and many others were deists, not Christians. Washington went to church in order to take his wife who was, but he declined to stay for communion leaving after the sermon to wait outside. Don't take my word for it. Where churches existed, attendance of regular worshipers was small in terms of the percentage of the population. And since the early settlers saw the indians as savages, genocide was made easier. We should be better by now, right?
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-13 03:05
Quoting bid:
it's easy to tell the MOST TOLERANT NATION on EARTH to be tolerant, the difficulty is in telling INTOLERANT (ISLAMIC STATES) NATIONS (that allow no other religions than Islam) to be TOLERANT.

What you call Intolerant Islamic States have suffered exactly the same mistrust and paranoia that we now display although they may good reason given our interference in Iran to the tools of convenience we militarized and armed in Afghanistan/Pak istan to do our bidding when their ideology was convenient for us are lessons in the lies and deceit we've propagated for our own opportunism. If anything, Islam -much like any other moral, righteous code serving truth, love and goodwill for all mankind- would not, does not, tolerate lies, bigotry and hypocrisy. Perhaps its that admirable refusal to negotiate or bend on such matters that doesn't sit well with our own negotiable selves-capable and educated in the artful. Let us come together under one roof and do away with the impasse.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-12 18:27
I am a New Yorker and still see the sad drawn faces of the people of nyc...the events of 9/11 are still fresh in the minds of the people down in the city who lost loved ones like me...I believe these were religious fanatics who did this to American on that fateful day and not the Muslum, and the premise of freedom of religion I agree is an American right,..It is just to soon, much to soon, the wounds are still fresh and time is still needed to heal and then and only then the time will be right to build this Mosque. thank you
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-12 21:02
With deep respect June, and with love, the important question is how are we going to heal from our wounds without inflicting wounds on others and letting our hurts, hurt others. When is protecting all of our rights, including the rights of our Muslim Americans NOT going to cost us our integrity as a nation. There will never be enough time to heal the pain in my heart for the losses of that day; never. It does not honor those we lost to deny from others the rights that they had when they were killed. Isn't healing the outcome of going through the pain and rising above it? Listen to your higher angels June. Let's not let justice die from our pain. Muslim Americans died there too. We must honor them as well. They were "our" people too, in every sense of the word.

I pray for your and our peace June. In disagreement with you please don't think of me as an enemy. There has to be a common ground here or in the end we lose the best of what it means to be an American. Thank you.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-12 23:12
It stuns me that everyone writing these posts is calling it a MOSQUE! It is NOT a MOSQUE, but a COMMUNITY CENTRE, and part of its stated purpose is to promote communication and understanding between people. A Muslim prayer room is planned, yes, but the place is for everyone, not just Muslims. And we should remember that there were Muslim prayer rooms in the twin towers, and that many Muslims died in the towers on 9/11.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-13 11:17
Shakespeare has been ascribed the fitting phrase; " a rose by any other name is still a rose". Community center indeed; sponsored by an intolerant religion.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:48
Quoting glenn edwards:
Shakespeare has been ascribed the fitting phrase; " a rose by any other name is still a rose". Community center indeed; sponsored by an intolerant religion.


Yeah, like so many Christian churches too.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-13 00:21
Well Daniel Fletcher...I am angry because my friend and his girl were on one of the planes...they were just kids going on a vacation together. My message never mentioned anything about me or as you said "my kind" owning anything. Stop trying to spin peoples' comments. We have a government by the people...for the people and it is our responsibility to challenge and hold it accountable. It is up to the citizens to vote on a variety of things to change and/or update our current systems. Or am I just misunderstandin g the whole idea of Democracy?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-13 01:01
Oh and FYI, Daniel...the first post here was from a different "Jason"...
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 06:24
Quoting Jason:
Oh and FYI, Daniel...the first post here was from a different "Jason"...


Then perhaps you were not the Jason I was responding to maybe? I don't know. And I don't have a quarrel with what you're saying here. As for spinning peoples comments, I can only comment on what I am comprehending. If I am in error I welcome correction. I won't pretend to be always right, all knowing or anything like that. Not even the strength of my convictions make them right. I don't exempt myself from my standards. Perhaps you'd like to correct me somehow. I'd appreciate it.
 
 
+5 # Joe Pants 2010-09-13 05:32
The esteemed imam is the same guy whom, in 1998, got tax exempt status from the IRS by declaring his wife's (Daisy Khan) 800 square foot West 85th Street apartment a prayer space for 450-500 daily worshipers. He is also a slum lord in North Bergen, N J who owns rat and bed bug infested apartment buildings. His partner on the Park Place project, Sharif el-Gamal, owes $224,000.00 in back taxes on the property. He has also been arrested numerous times including once for soliciting a prostitute and another time for beating the crap out of some dude for not paying his rent on time. He settled that for $16,000.00. Nice guys. In short we're being hustled.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 06:27
I am amazed Joe Pants. I guess sometimes even scoundrels can tell great truths. If true I am amazed, but none of this would discredit his message. I stand behind him any way.
 
 
+3 # Joe Pants 2010-09-13 07:00
I was also dismayed when the imam said to Soledad O'Brien on Larry King that it would be in the best interests of national security to build it because if it isn't the Muslim world will rise up. The imam is afraid of people in his own religion. Just another excuse or is this a threat?
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:55
Quoting Joe Pants:
I was also dismayed when the imam said to Soledad O'Brien on Larry King that it would be in the best interests of national security to build it because if it isn't the Muslim world will rise up. The imam is afraid of people in his own religion. Just another excuse or is this a threat?


Telling isn't it, that he might be as afraid of people in his own religion as you are of his. I know lot's of scary Christians too, especially one's that demonize American Muslims and making Islamophobia respectable. Frankly I agree with him. If he doesn't build it because of the Islamophobes, the Muslims of third world countries might conclude that our war on Iraq and Afghanistan is actually a war on Islam, which even George Bush said it wasn't. If we were to make this suspicion seem real by denying the New York Muslims their Constitutional rights, that would indeed be begging for a fight. What else can we do to empower bin Laden? Any suggestions?
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:19
Could you maybe name some prominent Christians who have "demonized" American Muslims? Oops! I forgot about Major Hassan, maybe a few others . . . but "demonize?"
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:17
Quoting rock:
Could you maybe name some prominent Christians who have "demonized" American Muslims? Oops! I forgot about Major Hassan, maybe a few others . . . but "demonize?"

Well, I would like to start with Billy Grahams son, but I think it would be more interesting if you could name any prominant, mainstream fundamentalist Christian leaders that have not. I bet you can't name one that has ever come out and said "Our Muslim brothers and sisters deserve to be respected as God's children, just as we are." Name one who would dare? I rest my case. (I'd love to be proved wrong on this one. Please do so.)
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 05:45
That is a well thoughtout argument for building the mosque on Ground Zero, Michael. Thank you for taking the time to teach us what we need to remember about our country.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 06:55
"Manufactured controversy" is right. As I see it this whole story looks increasingly like a psy op. My guess is that it is primarily designed to move the discussion away from the growing public outcry that the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is an obvious con job. I sense the behind-the-scen e work of Cass Sunstein, whose ridiculous psychobabble on "conspiracy theorists" in unworthy of the academy.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 09:21
I want a temple to Kali built on Michael Moore. The new reform Thuggee need a place of worship.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-13 11:27
Islam is no worse than other religions.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:59
Quoting Otto Schiff:
Islam is no worse than other religions.


...and probably no better either. Frankly, if religion itself keeps doing as good a job as it has promoting hate, then maybe we should give up on religion altogether. The atheists will like that for sure. Ironically, the Christian principle of love above all things, which most Christians fail at miserably, renders Christians as a people no better than anyone else. As members of humanity, I wouldn't think any group were any better than any other.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:12
Thanks so much Michael Moore - the epitome of intelligence, maturity, morality, and heart. You are the type of person that represents what it should mean to be an American.
Thank you
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-13 14:16
Bro,
Christianity is based in humility and respects all religions. This attitude is not only the way that Jesus Christ asked us to follow, but also a mischief that puts thousands of believers life into a great danger.
This simply is ridiculous!
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-13 15:34
What a hypocrite. He dedicated a section of "Bowling for Columbine" about the NRA meeting in Denver after the shootings. Then he demanded an apology from Heston. Is it not the same amendment that gives people the Freedom of Religion as it is the Freedom of Assembly? Is Denver hollowed ground because of the columbine shootings?

I would not want to live in a country that the government told use we could not have these rights. I support both the NRA's right, and the Right to build the Community Center. But...... I would protest both, and I would try to put economic and community pressure on these either of these to stop them. It is my right. These are both painful events and they hurt our country more than they heal it. They are both in poor taste.

Both the NRA and a Mosque can be built next to me. But why hurt people unnecessarily in spots that rub the victims face in it?

BTW McVeigh was an Agnostic when he committed the Oklahoma City Bombing. Google it.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 20:08
Yep, Chris 2, living in a free country can be such a pain, can't it? I mean, here we have a Constitution that protects everybody, even the people we don't like. Man, I hear ya'. I put up with lot's of people who even hurt my feelings sometimes because they won't cooperate with my view of things but what they hey...it beats living in some tin pot fascist state. And lets not even get started on them dang liberals. Whew! Freedom sure isn't free!
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-14 06:42
No, Chris is right. Muslims have the RIGHT to build their mosque anywhere they want in this country; that they choose to build it so close to Ground Zero shows a disturbing insensitivity to what happened there.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:30
Quoting vincent czyz:
No, Chris is right. Muslims have the RIGHT to build their mosque anywhere they want in this country; that they choose to build it so close to Ground Zero shows a disturbing insensitivity to what happened there.

Sorry. The Sufi's didn't do it.
 
 
-2 # Budster 2010-09-13 16:47
Hey Rosa Parks. Of course you can ride on the bus. However you can only sit at the back and even if you are at the back you must relinquish your seat to any white person who gets on the bus.

Sound familiar? Of course they can build a mosque but 2 blocks is too close and for that matter so is Tennessee and so is California but Saudi Arabia would be fine.

Thanks Michael for your piece and for appearing on CNN.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-13 21:23
To those who think that buildings 1 and 2 of WTC came down in their own footprints because because the top floors all, simultaneously responded to heat which had been unequally distributed, given that both aircrafts hit on one side of each building, thus the fuel explosions occurring on one side of each building with the attendant heat concentrated on one side of each building before it could reach the other side, is photographicall y proven on films, many of them at YouTube the real truth about the 9/11 attacks.

Only one who "witnessed" had his explanation within minutes of the "terrorist attacks." How did he know?

What about the YouTube films that show ordinary citizens telling about what "looked like a cruise missile came right past and overhead. Then, it dropped down and hit the Pentagon right there."

Another, a newsman who said the "first plane that he saw come in, flew very low. It had NO windows. It had a round, circular blue and white logo on the nose."
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-14 05:59
So Mr. Moore wants to defend "victims of hate and prejudice". Fine. Why doesn't he start by defending the rights of women, Jews, Christians, infidels and homosexuals under sharia? As a feminist, I'm growing weary of yet another male idiot pretending that Islam doesn't promulgate a deeply misogynistic culture which causes great misery and suffering for women. It's time to call Islam for what it truly is: the world's most successful old-boys' network, one which truly knows how to keep women in their place.
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-09-14 06:34
I lived in ISlam for nearly a decade--I can't tell you how right you are.
 
 
-5 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:21
Quoting ana:
So Mr. Moore wants to defend "victims of hate and prejudice". Fine. Why doesn't he start by defending the rights of women, Jews, Christians, infidels and homosexuals under sharia? As a feminist, I'm growing weary of yet another male idiot pretending that Islam doesn't promulgate a deeply misogynistic culture which causes great misery and suffering for women. It's time to call Islam for what it truly is: the world's most successful old-boys' network, one which truly knows how to keep women in their place.

You bet. A post Christian religion that grew in third world countries first that happened to maintain ancient standards with regard to women that has been slow to evolve but in some sectors has done quite well...a religion that is still evolving and who knows, might actually broaden it's views, but of course for the extreme fundamentalists . Sounds like a bunch of Christian fundamentalists to me.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-14 22:55
Have you ever actually read the Holy Quran? Did you actually know that women is mentioned as many times as men is? Did you know that a women in Islam, has equal rights as a male does? I agree with you, in Saudi Arabia they are morons, who take the religion and make it there own Islam is not what people portray it to be
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-14 23:11
Quoting ana:
...I'm growing weary of yet another male idiot pretending that Islam doesn't promulgate a deeply misogynistic culture which causes great misery and suffering for women. It's time to call Islam for what it truly is: the world's most successful old-boys' network, one which truly knows how to keep women in their place.


As a young Muslim woman I don't agree that Islam itself is to blame for the misogynistic culture that has come to be associated with it. The patriarchal cultures of the societies in which Islam is most widely followed are the culprits, and rightly so, because the practice of the religion has been grossly subverted over hundreds of years by those in power - mostly men, of course. Islam, incidentally, gives women a lot of legal (and other) rights that western women had to fight for as late as the early 20th century. I for one, would never accept a religion that places me in the category of a second-class citizen... and my religion doesn't.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-09-15 15:15
Thank you again for speaking up Zeina. Thank you Hafsa. You should speak up even more!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-16 19:33
Yes, indeed!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-16 00:43
Quoting ana:
So Mr. Moore wants to defend "victims of hate and prejudice". Fine. Why doesn't he start by defending the rights of women, Jews, Christians, infidels and homosexuals under sharia? As a feminist, I'm growing weary of yet another male idiot pretending that Islam doesn't promulgate a deeply misogynistic culture which causes great misery and suffering for women. It's time to call Islam for what it truly is: the world's most successful old-boys' network, one which truly knows how to keep women in their place.

Thank Goddess that we have, here in America, the right to choose what church we will step into and what Deity we will worship. If you don't like Islam, or Christianity, or Buddhism, or... you can go somewhere else, but if your chosen religion does it for you, then you have the right to practice the religion that you so choose!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 06:16
I have always agreed with everything you've said, Mr. Moore. My ex-wife (we are still very close) is Muslim. I lived in Turkey for almost 9 years, and I plan to retire there. But what disturbs me about the Cordoba House (we all know why the name was changed) is that the Imam (the nicest guy I'd ever want to meet) CHOSE this location. Imagine if Christians had chosen a location in Saudi Arabia where two landmark buildings had been destroyed and hundreds of Saudis killed and named a Christian center after a city that stood for Christian conquest--world opinion would be unrelenting.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:25
Quoting Vincent Czyz:
I have always agreed with everything you've said, Mr. Moore. My ex-wife (we are still very close) is Muslim. I lived in Turkey for almost 9 years, and I plan to retire there. But what disturbs me about the Cordoba House (we all know why the name was changed) is that the Imam (the nicest guy I'd ever want to meet) CHOSE this location. Imagine if Christians had chosen a location in Saudi Arabia where two landmark buildings had been destroyed and hundreds of Saudis killed and named a Christian center after a city that stood for Christian conquest--world opinion would be unrelenting.

Yes, and if Saudi Arabia were a democracy with a Constitution seperating church and state, you can bloody well bet that it would be built. By the way, the Muslim influence on Cordoba was positive in substantial ways. The Christian and Jewish community thrived while this city was occupied. Or so I've read accounts of. Shall we all go to the library and check? Let's!
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-16 00:45
Quoting Vincent Czyz:
I have always agreed with everything you've said, Mr. Moore. My ex-wife (we are still very close) is Muslim. I lived in Turkey for almost 9 years, and I plan to retire there. But what disturbs me about the Cordoba House (we all know why the name was changed) is that the Imam (the nicest guy I'd ever want to meet) CHOSE this location. Imagine if Christians had chosen a location in Saudi Arabia where two landmark buildings had been destroyed and hundreds of Saudis killed and named a Christian center after a city that stood for Christian conquest--world opinion would be unrelenting.

Methinks that Saudi Arabia does not have the religious freedoms that America says she has.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-14 06:18
Muslims have the RIGHT to build and worship anywhere they want; I'm disturbed this is where they WANT to build a 13-story center. I listened to the call to prayer 5 times a day for nearly a decade. I rode public buses in Istanbul and listened to Turks call my girlfriend a whore because I had an arm around her and she was uncovered. The Taliban has begun stonings again. Iran never stopped. A brother or a father in Jordan has the legal right to kill a pregnant and umarried sister/daughter . And Muslim moderates have either failed to speak out or SUPPORTED the Taliban. The Bible says I can kill my neighbor if I catch him working on the sabbath ... and Jesus prevented an adulteress from being stoned to death--but when is the last time Jews had a stoning or killed someone for working on the Sabbath?
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-14 08:24
It's nice to hear from someone with his eyes wide open!
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-14 11:15
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=186154
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-15 09:10
"A singer who performed in front of a “mixed audience” of men and women was lashed 39 times to make him “repent,” after a ruling by a self-described rabbinic court on Wednesday" and these are now part of Israel government. Lieberman etc. - and Hamas are terrorists? Why?
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-14 19:28
It is sad Vincent that ignorance abounds so widely, but are you proposing that ALL Muslims are like this? I have traveled where you have and I don't agree. But then you grew up there I am guessing. I share your despair over the extremes of fundamentalism where ever it exists. I will not condemn the Muslim faith because of the well documented faults of it's extremists. I particularly enjoy the Sufi world view and embrace them as friends. I always will, unless of course their long history has been found a lie.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-14 21:33
Thank you, Micheal. Pray Americans join you.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-15 05:03
Micheal Moore..

you said it all..thank you for being rational and not just following the crowd.

i appreciated your act against W Bush for bombing Iraq under the name of terror just to get oil as you showed in Fahrenheit 9/11.. i now thank you so much for this.

regards,

Hossam Mohamed Hassanein
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-15 06:31
The Imam of this mosque/communit y center could make a bold statement of peace and reconciliation -- extending an olive branch to the American people, especially those who lost someone in the World Trade Center -- by offering to relocate.

What an enormous sign of love and respect he could show, what an enormous example of the power of faith could come from such a gesture.

Since this has become such a national issue, he has the opportunity to display the amazing character of true Muslims to all America, and the world.

Imagine what that would do for Muslim acceptance in America.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-15 06:32
Thank you...Thank you...Thank you, there are only a hand-full of people like you in this world Mr. Moore and that in itself is a shame.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-15 09:13
I agree with Michael Moore. That is sacred ground. I wrote a letter to the Times in N.Y., not long after the 9/11 and explained what needed to be done to the site. Because of all the dead that have not been found, I truly believe that some souls are still lingering there. I proposed a wall of memory, a name called Freedom Park. I never heard from the editors of the N.Y. times, so I assume they took my ideals and after 10 years we are here. The whole area should be made to visit, to find peace, to talk with the victims and to have closure. My ideal of a park was based on the developers ideals to rebuild the towers. No, you are right, its a place of where death and everlasting life has met. I would love to just come and sit, and relate to everyone who perished there. Let us not be angry for a mosque, but thrilled that it is there to heal everyone's heart. Bitterness is not the root to goodness, I salute you Michael Moore. Maybe someone in N.Y., Times could find my letter. lmcorky.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-15 11:27
Thanks Mr. Moore.
Very well said.
I wish everyone understood this.
Terrorists don't have a religion.They hijacked our religion and our rights to live freely.
Thanks for all your support.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-09-16 02:20
I like the way you write Michael, its one of the few voices I ever hear that is clear and makes sense to me. The USA (and the countries that are heavily influenced by her) are so confused, they hear all kinds of rumours from controlling media and politicians and financial "experts" and lose touch almost completely with their own reasoning and values. A huge hypnotic effect of controlling people through fear. I hope people will open their ears and listen to what you have to say.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-16 04:27
Its 2 Blocks away. Its Been there prior to attacks. Makes no sense, if they want to "renovate" they should be allowed to. By not allowing this place to be built America is saying Muslims as a whole are the Cause of 9/11. Muslim Americans have died for this country since the civil war. They are American born, tax payers, citizens, employers, employees. Isnt American built on the backs of immigrants? What is the American Dream? Is it only for Christians, Jews and Atheist? Ignorance is the downfall to any empire.

I hope we do the right thing!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-16 18:28
1- Think of it, folks:The anti-Muslim racists in our country would benefit more by having a mosque near the site of the World Trade center, in order to blame (all) "Muslims" for this heinous crime and stoking the fires of hate against A-L-L Muslims forever and ever.

2- Another thought (I happen to be an Arab Palestinian Christian): If extremists in certain Arab countries emulate the US racists by banning synagogues or churches anywhere close to "Hallowed sites" where Israel or the US have slaughtered thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people, then they would run out of non-contaminate d space very quickly.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-18 23:10
I love your sense of irony Awad Paul Sifri! Indeed!
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-09-21 05:29
Those who support ground zero mosque should try to built one Church in Saudi Arabia and bring one Holy Bible into Saudi without the Police grabbing from you and throw into trash bin.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-23 23:32
Quoting Catnip:
Those who support ground zero mosque should try to built one Church in Saudi Arabia and bring one Holy Bible into Saudi without the Police grabbing from you and throw into trash bin.

Oh, I see. So we should be like that too. Gotta' love logic like that. Let's all immitate bigotry so we can get even. Real sensible, huh.
 
 
+1 # Bhonsud 2010-09-30 08:36
Imagine for a moment (and be as vivid as you can)- (God forbid) Mecca is destroyed by a group of Jewish people, killing a 1000 people there in a savage attack, and many of the Jews all over the world celebrate it.

OK.

Now if you are a Muslim (or anyone) who has supported this article, your first thought should be- some idiots have stolen Jewish religion, let's return their religion to them by building synagogues at the Mecca site. If that's not what you thought, you are just a hypocrite. [We're not talking about religious freedom in any country, we're just thinking about your thinking]
 
 
0 # jesse 2010-09-30 13:32
Building ANYTHING on ground zero is so disrespectful it makes me sick. New buildings that serve the same purpose, okay, maybe, but everything else, it should be honored. I see your point, and i know muslims are NOT associated with terrorists but the terrorists WERE muslim, and that is that. Building a mosque near or ESPECIALLY on ground zero may be an erasure of hate in your eyes, but all the terrorists and "bad" people who ARE muslim will do is laugh at us and see it as THEIR victory. Again, not to say i dont like the ideas behind this, but if you didnt lose a loved one in the twin towers, im sorry but you dont understand and can NOT make this argument. Thinking of building it on ground zero is horrifying
 
 
0 # Scottt 2010-10-15 09:21
I think the best thing to do is for every New Yorker to once a day go and buy a pound of bacon or pork chops and throw it on the proposed site. Maybe if we at least get New Yorkers to do this and get it started then Americans from all over the US will do there part of keeping this slap in the face from happening. The thing that is not understood by Muslims is that there has to be a little compromise every now and then. America did not build a shrine at the site in Hiroshima and Muslims should realize why that was.
 
 
0 # Manning /Pam 2010-10-22 05:05
Mr. Moore I do not know or care what your religious beliefs are, it should be whatever is in a persons heart. My concern is that no Muslim leader has come to the forefront to publicly denounce terrorists and terroristic sanctions within the Muslim faith and how they are actively working to eradicate terrorism within their faith by____ they need to fill in the blank. Until that happens I as an American will continue to remain skeptical of their affiliations with terroristic entities and therefore be against the Mosque. They are sealing their own fate by not being very vocal activist against terrorism. They will have to make me believe in theirintentions when left to speculate intents we will try to shield ourselves from the worst possible outcomes to ourselves. We are sending that message loud and clear and being spit in our eye in response by liberals who cannot believe we can be against someone or something without being called a racist or bigot. Pam in KY
 
 
0 # Nicki Christensen 2010-10-22 09:23
You people just don't get it. It's not that we want to keep the Muslim's out of the country or withdraw thier rights to worship how they wish, we all have those rights, or are suppose too. Ground Zero is sacred ground, thousands of people from all religions across the nation were killed there, does that mean that we should all be able to build all our churchs there? NO~! The memorial that is there is a respectful one, nothing else needs to be added or should be added. If the Muslims feel the need to build a house of worship, let them do it, but not anywhere near ground zero, these terroist were radical, but they were Muslims.
 
 
0 # Toni Gandel 2010-12-12 20:32
I by no means meant that the other Abramic religions don't have violence throughout their bibles because they most certainly do. However, while all three of these bibles contain violence, it is mostly, now, I am not saying only, but mostly the people who commit violence specifically because they believe that they are complying with their god would be Islam. I offer a quote: Not material or economic conditions in the ordinary sense, but perverse religious ideas explain the suspension of civilization in Europe from the 5th to the 12th century, and in the Mohammedan world after the 15th Century." Joseph McCabe
To the Muslims who have posted here claiming that Islam is all peaceful, you are only referring to one of the three books of your faith. You will not convince me that Islam is a peaceful religion but I will agree that the Koran is not the only holy book filled with violence. This is not saying that there are not millions of good, peace loving Muslims.
 
 
-1 # Elizabeth 2011-04-13 16:20
Well, I was in favor of this until I learned more about Islam. After reading Nonie Darwish's books, I am so very frightened for our country. She grew up Muslim in Egypt and discusses the terror of women under Sharia law. She also explains so much of what Islam is really all about. Perhaps we should listen to someone who truly knows what this religion is all about. Political Correctness will be the death of us.
 

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.

RSNRSN