Gelb writes: "We're doing this terrible thing all over again. As before, we're letting a bunch of ignorant, sloppy-thinking politicians and politicized foreign-policy experts draw 'red line' ultimatums. As before, we're letting them quick-march us off to war. This time their target is Iran."
An Iranian navy vessel fires a Mehrab missile during the 'Velayat-90' naval war games in the Strait of Hormuz off southern Iran, 01/01/12. (photo: Ebrahim Noroozi/Getty Images)
Put Iran War March on Trial
17 January 12
America is once again stumbling toward war. If we've learned anything from the past, it's that we'd better debate Iran policy before, not after, the fighting begins. By Leslie H. Gelb.
e're doing this terrible thing all over again. As before, we're letting a bunch of ignorant, sloppy-thinking politicians and politicized foreign-policy experts draw "red line" ultimatums. As before, we're letting them quick-march us off to war. This time their target is Iran. And heaven knows Iran's leaders are bad guys capable of doing dangerous things. But if we've learned anything, anything at all, from plunging into war in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, it is this: we must have a public scrubbing of fighting rhetoric before, not after, the war begins.
Sure, there are risks in acting so sensibly. It does signal hesitation, even weakness, to the adversary. But to me, the far greater risk lies in not hesitating. The real risk is not fully, thoroughly, and publicly laying bare the case for war. In every major war of the last decades, the public assumed the government and the experts knew what they were talking about and proposing to do. But after a year or so, that faith collapsed. Except for those who would bless the sound of the cannon wherever it led, everyone soon realized the terrible truth: that government leaders had little or no idea what they were doing, what the invaded country was really like, and what could and could not be accomplished at what cost. By then, it was too late. Once our truly precious troops had been sacrificed and our prestige had been cast upon the waters, patriotism and politics overwhelmed reason.
For our own sake, don't let this happen again. Let's have carefully planned and extended public hearings on the pros and cons of war with Iran. Let those hearings be conducted by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee or a special public commission established by President Obama. Let's do the job painstakingly and systematically, especially because Election Day beckons with its talons of stupidity and rashness. Yes, yes, I realize full well that a public pretrial is far from a perfect or even a good solution. But I cannot think of another way to slow down our familiar passive march toward war, and compel its drum majors to parade their plans on why the war must be fought and how it can be won. Hearings will surely confuse a lot of people, but at least give them their democratic chance to judge.
Iranian navy fires a Mehrab missile during the "Velayat-90" naval wargames in the Strait of Hormuz in southern Iran on January 1, 2012. Iran defiantly announced that it had tested a new missile and made an advance in its nuclear programme after the United States unleashed extra sanctions that sent its currency to a record low., Ebrahim Noroozi / Getty Images
To step back, there are two issues likely to spark fighting with Iran: Tehran's threat to block an internationally recognized waterway at the Strait of Hormuz, and its relentless moves toward acquiring nuclear weapons.
On the surface, the strait question is open and shut. If Tehran violates a fundamental principle of international law and closes an international waterway, that waterway must be reopened by whatever force necessary. My gut reaction is right there. But then the questions arise: Why does this burden fall almost entirely on the United States? What of the other states that buy and sell the Gulf oil that moves through the strait? How long will it take, and at what cost, to reopen the strait and keep it open? Is it necessary to attack shore targets to accomplish the job? How far ashore? And what of economic destruction and, above all, civilian casualties? Is such a military action likely to convince the Iranians that they must acquire nuclear weapons, or would it dissuade them? Would a U.S.-led naval action in the strait make it more likely that Israel would use this as cover to launch a full-scale attack against Iranian nuclear facilities? And would this broader action trigger Iranian retaliation against both Israel and the United States? There are no hard and fast answers to most of these queries. And yes, some military plans would be aired partially to Tehran's advantage. Nevertheless, their being raised and addressed gives Americans a much clearer sense of what they're getting into—and, more, compels Congress and the executive branch to think much harder about their intended actions. Often, administrations don't answer the toughest questions themselves until they have to, until it's too late.
I realize full well that a public pretrial is far from a perfect or even a good solution. But I cannot think of another way to slow down our familiar passive march toward war.
The red lines being drawn against Iran's growing capability to construct nuclear weapons are even more tortured and dangerous. These lines are all to the effect that if Tehran continues to move toward a nuclear-weapons capability, President Obama will attack and take out Iran's nuclear facilities. I won't bore you with the exact formulations, which are not intended to be exact. The administration doesn't want to be exact and thus to tie its own hands. Nor could administration officials formulate exact words, because they can't yet agree upon them.
The bottom line is that the administration is firming up its threats without absolutely committing itself to any particular action beyond ratcheting up rhetorical pressures and economic sanctions. Obama has been mostly careful to avoid pronouncements recently and has put that burden at a little distance from himself—onto the worthy shoulders of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. Panetta's now famous "red lines" have been a bit pinkish, for good reason, leaving some things to Tehran's imagination. Or perhaps his intention is just to say enough to keep Israel from pulling its own unilateral trigger.
It doesn't take a genius to see what lies ahead in our nation's election year. Most Republican presidential candidates are saying that Iran will never get close to nukes if they're in the White House. The candidates are outdoing one another in outrageous commitments to sound tough. Recently, Mitt Romney put it like this: "If we reelect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon … If you'd like me as the next president, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon." And though we all know how careful Obama is, the dynamics of campaigns are bound to push him toward incaution to fend off charges of "weakness." This is what happens to presidents in most elections.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee or some public commission has to pose the tough questions here: Do we really know enough to hit and destroy the key underground targets? If not, why go ahead? How long will it take for Tehran to rebuild the facilities and make them less vulnerable? What's the potential for collateral damage on oil prices and lives? If Washington doesn't use force, will Israel go it alone, and will Tehran regard this as a quasi-American attack anyway? If Iran actually acquired nukes, why wouldn't prospects of an overwhelming Israeli or American attack in a crisis deter it? Iranian leaders haven't acted like crazy Hitlers. They've been pretty cautious, forever issuing threats and making trouble behind the scenes, which suggests they're deterrable. Would war on Iran trigger worldwide terrorist attacks? Is it in the overall interests of the United States, given our worldwide security needs and economic weaknesses, to enter another war? And don't fool yourselves, this would be war.
As is our tragic pattern, almost all these tough questions are unasked and unhonored. All one hears is the familiar boasts and threats. They are rarely probed by our media stars.
Senator J. William Fulbright's brilliant hearings on Vietnam and the James Baker/Lee Hamilton Iraq Study Group both came far too late to save us. But there's still time now for a full-scale, nonpartisan, and systematic examination of policy. Don't let the usual hawks stop us with the argument that we'd be giving away too much information and signaling weakness to the enemy. What we'd truly be giving away if we heeded these hawks is not our military plans, but our constitutional and democratic rights to freely and openly debate whether our sons and daughters once again must fight and die.
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80% of the people don't want anything to do with war but when was the last time we passed anything for the American people? In 3 years we gotten a health give-away to the Insurance companies & a credit card bill.
As far as leaders go these people really suck. Democrats included. Hopefully I'm jumping to conclusions but this type of media advertisement suggest an oncoming event. De-fund the military now so they can't continue harming the planet & terrorizing its people.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
our future is at stake
We have to WAKE UP our population,..NO W BEFORE we find ourselves in another war.
We also need to write our representatives and TELL them to vote and work AGAINST WAR. We need to be very forceful in our DEMAND. What else can we do??
Suggestions anybody??
Don't let them lie us into ANOTHER doozy of a war!
NO IRAN WAR!
against these wars. I know, because for
the past 2.5 years I've been selling our
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Free to a Good Yard. In an hour I get
between 4 and 8 of these signs accepted
on any stretch of street 300 yards or so
long in the D.C. area.
The problem: no one will help! Not
Vets for Peace, not Washington Peace
Center, not Peace Action, not Code Pink,
not WCW, etc etc.
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Best wishes,
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A lot of young in the military would die to prove your point.
Having a draft will not eliminate mercenaries, either. Between them and the CIA the universal war agenda is growing beyond what the CIA has always conducted.
Supporting a draft is a flippant fad with folks who don't remember the pure hell of waiting for your number to come up and the numbers of deaths in Vietnam. Want your son or daughter have their number come up to be sent to Africa or wherever the new killing fields will be for American kids?
Yes, it's about having "skin in the game".
I've heard it said the reason we pulled out of Iraq is we haven't the troops to stay there? That our soldiers did 6 to 8 tours & even our National Guard was sent. We had to take in foreigners with promises of citizenship? We now need to fight drone wars & what better defense than the sprinkling of nuclear sites & radiation that crosses borders killing without regard to nationality?
Also, maybe it's just my ignorance but, why would any country looking for electrical power waste money on Nuclear considering what's happened around the world? Doesn't the sun come out in this desert nation? Don't they have wind & tidal flats to produce clean energy? Are their deserts too salty & corrosive? Maybe Iran will accept our Nuclear waste & we won't have to pollute our own rivers? Nuclear seems to be the fastest way to self-destruct? The more I consider it the crazier the entire argument seems? Do they believe their God will stop radiation?
Does anyone really believe in their Navy? Do we really need to rattle our sabers at all? Is this not a miniature poodle nipping at the heals of a T-Rex? Is it just more shock & ah as congress continues selling our resources @ the present spending rate of $700,000 per second? (Much faster than the speed of light which is approx. 100,000 per second) How do we rid ourselves of reporting like this & the non reporting of today's really critical issues?
Thank Gawd that somebody else has brought this up! I voiced this question a couple of weeks ago on RSN and have been pondering it for a while.
Why DOESN'T Iran and desert nations get into Solar, Wind, who knows what they have at their disposal (much of the desert used to be green so?? I'm not a biologist or geologist but common sense seems to indicate this. And what a chance for internationally co-operating with the likes of Germany and Scotland, highly respected and leading-edge engineering nations who are pioneering alternative sources (Scotland is working with Cuba on a weed that is fast becoming a miracle-fuel plant; look it up on the BBC website)?
But wait -that would mean diminished need for wars and aggression, right?
Ah well -another fertile bit of common-sense gone in the name of keeping hostility and international angst going.
Thanks "Shortonfaith" for bring it up tho'.
Why do you think the government and military are developing weapons and skills for dealing with citizens violently?
I'm concerned that the Pakistan issue is being dealt with in the same way as Iran.
We will continue to be a nation of warmongers for as long as israel/AIPAC controls our congress.
Pickwicky adds:
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium.
Interesting how much access Iran has to the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf though, huh? Ever thought about the fact that, in order to profit from all the Iraqi black gold, we have to get it to market (i.e. by water) and the best ways to do that would... COINCIDENTALLY be through IRAN and SYRIA?
I see no significant threat from Iran against the US or anyone else - nor evidence of even the capabilities for violence on hand to many other countries in the region. Certainly the history of Iran over the last hundred years shows no violence and outlaw behavior comparable to the violence and outlaw behavior perpetrated by the US and NATO over the same period of time.
It's time to put a stop the US reign of terror if we can.
Middle East oil will then be the problem for someone else. As for nuclear weapons, even if we don't talk them out of it, their use would lead to mutually assured destruction. Everybody understands that.So that's why they will not be used.
The fact is, now, that it's self perpetuating, and the people who think they're the big thinkers have their guns pointed at other countries. The one big group that was instituted to create dialogue in hopes of maintaining peace has been demonized by the "big thinkers". That noble group, of course, is the United Nations.
What Bovine Excrement!! What is driving the push to war is the relentless need of the neocons for war, and the Israeli government's desire to destroy Iran as a rival - and of course our fully bought-and-paid -for Congressional subsidiary of the Israeli government.
Someone - Mr. Gelb has not - kindly explain to me why we should attack Iran; what threat does it pose to US??? There is not a mention in here of the 1953 overthrow of the constitutional Iranian republic at the behest of the oil companies - and how that led to the Iranian revolution in 1979. And then our encouraging Hussein to attack (while Reagan's people sold arms to Iran just to ensure that the hostages were not freed until Carter was out.
This is a sad excuse for analysis, and it essentially says "let's delay our attack while we make sure every one agrees that Iran is a monster."
Please don't publish any more of this stuff.
And what about this lie -- "To step back, there are two issues likely to spark fighting with Iran: Tehran's threat to block an internationally recognized waterway at the Strait of Hormuz, and its relentless moves toward acquiring nuclear weapons." Iran is not doing either, and not likely to. These are the "red lines" that Obama has drawn with no basis in international law. Gelb trys to make it seem like Obama's red lines are Iran's policies.
Or this lie -- "And heaven knows Iran's leaders are bad guys capable of doing dangerous things." No Iran's leaders are not bad guys. The bad guys are Obama and the psychopaths at the CIA and Pentagon, whose jowls are still dripping from the blood of 40,000 murdered Libyans.
Gelb is old. He will be dead soon and it cannot be too soon. I have no respect for this member of the ruling elite whose life work has been to legitimize the murder of the poor and dark skinned people of the world. There's a place for him in hell -- right underneath Satan's tail.
Is this perhaps a taste of what priorities are?
"And what of economic destruction and, above all, civilian casualties?" . Above all????
My take is, however well intentioned this article is, the subject matter connotes the conundrum inherent in all the sabre-rattlin', drum-whackin' and chest-puffin'! Somebody's going to break and unleash the dogs of war. You can't make bargains between a plutocratic state who won't recognize that it is an Empire in decline, and and theocratic state who finds threats in every shadow (possibly with good cause) but will not be pushed around by a schoolyard (as in middle-East) bully.
Add Israel's also theocratic and aggressive posturing but with the backing of the schoolyard bully and very much inclined to throw the first punch, and you have a situation which is becoming more tense and volatile hourly.
I have no answers, including the aforementioned "stepping back" -from what?
The brink is already within reach and needs but a spark in this desert parched of reason, fueled with the inflammable fuel of mutual animus and lack of willingness to communicate (at least Iran has formerly shown some willingness in this direction) to set of the tinder-box and overwhelm all involved and beyond in a conflict which will make Iraq seem insignificant in it's global consequences.
Would that Mossadegh would have prevailed in 1953!
Why not take a radical approach. Let Iran do as they wish. Take the high road. Isn't it more in Iran's interests to keep the straight open?
Regarding the nuclear issue. What issue? They don't even have a bomb yet. And if they develop one, then what? Will they be capable of a strike on the shores of Long Island? It's not a threat. Another fabricated war is not an option. War is never a solution-it is MURDER.
Iran is NOT developing nuclear weapons!!!!!
Leon Panetta said so just recently, the National Intelligence report says so.
Even the IAEA report didn't find any diversion of nuclear material or any evidence of development of WMD.
What the IAEA reported that the USA & its allies are using is old news at least 5 years old the smoking gun laptop that the USA says indicates Iran was looking at plans for nuclear weapons, but won;t let anyone see or verify not only the existence of the laptop but its content. There is absolutely no verifiable evidence of Iran's development of nuclear weapons.
Iran has been sanctioned ever since it threw out the brutal USA puppet Shah that was installed after the USA lead a military coup against the elected government. Why? because they nationalized their natural resources to support the needs of the people & nation instead of the 1% like we do.
Its not just Iran's oil its Iran economic policy. It works it takes care of the peoples needs has rebuilt & modernized the infrastructure. The 1% doesn't want you & I to know that there is another & probably a better way then they owning & profiting from everything.
62% of Iran's people voted for the current government. The people put down the USA attempt to overthrow the government after the election not government repression. So stop helping USA spread lies & stop the war
Nice idea, like trying to get Israel's LIKUD-driven, nuclear-armed government to stop demolishing Palestinian houses and razing ancient olive groves, or Republican's to listen to any kind of progressive reason.
Just how d'you get anyone in power to do it or even suggest it?!
Here's an idea for next Christmas in America. Real toy drones that fly around and fire rubber tipped missiles into your kid’s favourite Barbi or Ken doll.(Muslim clothing for Barbi & Ken optional) Yeah baby -kill kill kill!
Hey remember MAD? Mutually Assured Destruction? The cry when I was a kid was that BECAUSE the Soviets (remember them - they used to be 'The Evil Empire') could destroy America and because America could destroy the Soviets then nuclear war would NEVER happen – and it hasn’t.
Solution – GIVE the Iranians 200 nuclear missiles to match the Israelis nuclear stockpile– THEN we’ll all feel much safer!
After all - in the end - it's probably all about missile envy.
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