Excerpt: "Asked whether the United States, in cooperation with Israel, was now engaged in a covert war against Iran's nuclear program that may include the Stuxnet virus, the blowing-up of facilities and the assassination or kidnapping of scientists, one recently retired U.S. official privy to up-to-date intelligence would not deny it."
Protesters storm the British embassy in Tehran. (photo: AP)
War With Iran May Already Have Begun
06 December 11
wo incidents that occurred on Sunday-Iran's claim of a shoot-down of a U.S. drone, and an explosion outside the British embassy in Bahrain-may have been unrelated. But they appear to add to growing evidence that an escalating covert war by the West is under way against Iran, and that Tehran is retaliating with greater intensity than ever.
Asked whether the United States, in cooperation with Israel, was now engaged in a covert war against Iran's nuclear program that may include the Stuxnet virus, the blowing-up of facilities and the assassination or kidnapping of scientists, one recently retired U.S. official privy to up-to-date intelligence would not deny it.
"It's safe to say the Israelis are very active," the official said, adding about U.S. efforts: "Everything that [GOP presidential candidate] Mitt Romney said we should be doing-tough sanctions, covert action and pressuring the international community - are all of the things we are actually doing." Though the activities are classified, a senior Obama administration official also would not deny that such a program was under way. He indicated that the U.S. was not involved in every action, referring to recent alleged explosions at Isfahan and elsewhere. But, he added: "I wouldn't assume that everything we do is coordinated."
Former undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, who oversaw America's Iran engagement during the Bush administration, asked Sunday about reports that the U.S. program began under George W. Bush, said he could not comment on intelligence matters.
In September, the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, accused Great Britain, Israel and the U.S. of conducting attacks on him and other Iranian scientists."Six years ago the intelligence service of the UK began collecting information and data regarding my past, my family, the number of children," Abbasi-Davani told a news conference at the annual conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna. Abbasi-Davani, who was said to have been wounded in 2010 car bomb explosion, said the attacks were carried out by Israel with the "support of the intelligence services of the United States and England."
Last week, Iranian protesters stormed the British embassy in Tehran. Dominick Chilcott, Britain's ambassador to Iran, later said the attack occurred "with the acquiescence and the support of the state." Then, on Sunday, Bahrain's interior ministry announced that an explosion occurred inside a minibus parked near the British Embassy. There were no immediate reports of serious damage or injuries.
U.S. officials alleged in October that agents acting for Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which has increasingly exerted control over the Tehran regime, were involved in a plot to kill that Saudi ambassador to Washington in a restaurant. Iran denied the allegations. Then, on Sunday, in what have been another escalation, Iran's news agency reported that Iranian armed forces shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that illegally crossed the country's eastern border.
Responding to the Iranian report, NATO command in Afghanistan released a terse statement Sunday: "The UAV to which the Iranians are referring may be a US unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week. The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status."
The White House declined to comment but officials did not seem unduly alarmed, suggesting that the drone's capture would not provide Iran with significant information about U.S. surveillance technology and techniques.
Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council in Washington, said the tit-for-tat incidents "add up to a very worrisome picture," in part because "the Iranians are absorbing all of these assassinations without seeing the pace of their nuclear program slow down to the extent it would be acceptable to the West." But if Iranian retaliations grow serious enough, he said, they could provide "the pretext for a much larger war" in which the Israelis, and possibly the Americans, launch a full attack on Iran.
Mark Hibbs, a nuclear expert at the Carnegie Endowment in Germany, says the intensity of the covert war indicates that this is where the U.S. and Israel are putting their energy for now. "If the U.S. or Israel were determined to take Iran's nuclear installations out they wouldn't be wasting time pinpointing individual scientists like this," he says. Still, he points out, that Israel's 1981 attack on Iraq's Osirak reactor was also preceded by assassination attempts on Iraqi scientists.
By accident or not, it's entirely possible the covert war could escalate into a real one, experts say. "I am less enthusiastic about how effective all this going to be than some people in the administration," says Matthew Bunn, a nuclear investigator at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government. Bunn says he has occasionally discussed the program with the Obama administration officials, and "some have broadly suggested they think this is major element of slowing down Iranian progress."
He's not so sure. "Take Stuxnet. It's possible that a thousand centrifuges went down" because of sabotage by the mystery computer virus _ a super sophisticated program said to have caused substantial parts of Iran's uranium enrichment program to self-destruct several years ago. "But Iran has a thousand more than they would require to enrich to highly enriched uranium" needed for a bomb. Bunn also notes that Iran is increasingly keeping its key scientists such as Mohsen Fakrizadeh, said to be the "Oppenheimer" of the Iranian program, hidden away from sight and burying its facilities deeper underground.
Beyond that, says Hibbs, "Some of the concern in the expert community is that in going this route we're unleashing forces we cannot control."
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Gee, that would be a first...NOT! Every time the Pentagon, CIA, or Administration makes a move for their expansive empiracle agenda rather than in reaction to reality, WE end up out of control. Their response to being "out of control" is to throw our youth and treasure at it. I'm sick of it, how about you? Recently, our nuclear experts reported that Iran shows no evidence of being anywhere near a bomb and it is debatable if they are trying. As long as one has it, all will need one in order to be secure. Just ask Sadam and Muammar. In this mad world, if you don't have the ultimate weapon, your days are numbered (if you have oil or anything else the greedy in the world need). Case in point, the Congo. Another broken Obama promise.
Read up on it. Obama in his campaign promised to hold accountable those responsible for the evils in the Congo. He's done nothing except continue the policies that make profit out of chaos. Ignoring Obama's lapses of memory of his campaign rhetoric does nothing patriotic.
Vote straight Democrat(ic) and save our country.
Cheney said in 1994 that US oil interests had to get oil out of the Caspian Sea area. There are 3 pathways for a pipeline: through Iran-NEVER!, 3,000 miles across China who might decide to nationalize it-not likely, and through Afghanistan, except there are all those uncooperative clanleaders and warlords who rule their areas of the country. And so the US bided its time to go to war and soon the excuse presented itself--with a bit of help from someone, since the PATRIOT act was written and waiting to be voted and signed and out kids shipped out as cannon fodder for the bankers war machine.
The Muslim world is so disunited against itself that the West will deal with them one at a time. The Muslim Arabs are the most disunited people in the world.
Main Entry: dis·unite
Pronunciation: (ˌ)dis-yü-ˈnīt, -yə-, dish-
Function: verb
Date: 1598
transitive verb
: divide, separate
I will not vote Republican, ever, but there are many Democrats that need to be replace immediately come November of 2012, not the least being the 25 Democrats in the Senate, assholes all, who voted for the amendment that was added to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which will give the president, be it Obama or any future president, the right to illegally kidnap from anywhere in the world, without charge or due process, from any sovereign nation (It's called Extraordinary Rendition), anyone that we declare to be an enemy combatant, be he (or she) innocent or not, including American citizens, and hold them forever, secretly if necessary, without a (proper) trial. That also includes the right of the president to declare any American citizen residing physically in the United States itself as being an enemy combatant without charge or (proper) trial, and that also would include you and me and anyone in our families who, by the president's definition, is not acting like a loyal and patriotic American.
By the way, Carl Levin goes to the top of that replace list. John, you're going to like living in the new Nazi Germany.
It is time to put a stop to giving Israel what it wants.
We must make it clear that anyone who supports war or continued action against a sovereign nation will lose their job.
The military & the military industrial complex must be controlled. No more money period. Stop all covert activity.
In fact we should demand all contracts except food & clothes be cancelled. All troops, naval vessels, aircraft, bombs, missiles, tanks, vehicles weapons and armaments must be brought onto continental USA soil for a public accounting.
Any future purchases will be based on public approved projects after the stockpile and warehouse full of weapons are used or recycled.
It is time for a department of Peace not war. If the Congress military leadership and privileged 1% want war they should have the privilege of being on the front line as privates, rather than wasting the lives of our youth & our resource which could be better spend rebuilding our country & funding R&D on non military new products.
The 1st priority of our government should be life not death.
The U.S. and Israel have a great interest in the Middle East that goes beyond oil and mineral treasures that boost our technology. They want control, and to keep China, Russia, et al., out of the area. Of course, there is also the income from drugs. This is as much an economic war as it is literal, in extending the power of the U.S. and Israel.
The U.S. will never leave the Middle East and will, as I have said half a dozen times, start a world war over it.
The damage has been done to the planet, and those wanting to drill in the U.S. and sell off publicly owned land have no idea what that plan will mean to the U.S.
And the solar and wind factories Obama is trying to jam into the desert is ruining our environment here in the desert.
Todd, you seem to really be on a roll today, do you need a big hug!!! I'll give you one if you give me the old TOm that I used to know back....(JOKE). ...luv ya baby...
Israel has cornered the USA to do its dirty work as the controlled media works to portray Iran as the evil empire.
Will we ever see our military dedicated solely to defending the USA? That's very doubtful!
Died in the wool--you keeled over wearing a wool coat.
Dyed in the wool--you added color (implication: that is permanent color)to the wool
We helped install U.S. puppets in Central America, in Eastern Europe in violation of the treaty we made with Mikhail Gorbachev in the early 1990s when the Soviet Union split up, in the middle east, Nouri al-Maliki in Iraq & Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, & I also have to include Pakistan in that statement. Even a U.S. puppet leader can only take so much getting spit on. The U.S. has installed puppet leaders in many countries in Africa. Neither Ethiopia or Kenya would've illegally invaded Somalia without U.S. backing. I even accuse the leaders of the U.K., France, & Germany of being in bed with the U.S., more interested in serving us than their own people. And, let's not forget Canada. Stephen Harper, as far as I'm concerned, is a U.S. plant.
I can go on & on & on with listing so-called sovereign nations throughout the world who have leaders who are more interested in pleasing us, the U.S., than their own people. The U.S. has even fully taken over the U.N., most especially the IAEA by getting the man they wanted to head it and the chief himself of the whole U.N., the Secretary General himself, Ban Ki-moon.
Did I miss anything?
I give that person a great big thumbs up.
"U.S. officials alleged in October that agents acting for Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which has increasingly exerted control over the Tehran regime, were involved in a plot to kill that Saudi ambassador to Washington in a restaurant. Iran denied the allegations. Then, on Sunday, in what have been another escalation, Iran's news agency reported that Iranian armed forces shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that illegally crossed the country's eastern border."
1. Iran's revolutionary guard is NOT exerting influence over the government. the Revolutionary Guard is a figment of the imagination of American propaganda.
2. No Iranian was involved in a plot to kill a Saudi ambassador. That was an FBI set up. The FBI fabricated the plot 100%.
3. Shooting down a spy plane is not an escalation. Flying the spy planes over Iran is the escalation.
One of the main ways that propaganda works is to give one or two true pieces of information woven into a fabric of lies. People tend to take the lies as true. So a false history and false reality gets built up in the minds of the infinitely stupid Amerikkkans who will cite things like the Iraqi involvement in 9-11 until they die. Fox has mastered this technique. The only way to combat this propaganda is to condemn it outright -- say that assholes like Michael Hirsch are complicit with the war of aggression.
The FBI ran a psyop against Portland Oregon corrupting an innocent local kid (good kid, good student) with emotional issues surrounding his (Moslem) parents pending divorce into acting as the stooge in a 'bomb plot' with a fake bomb wholly built and supplied to the kid complete with FBI panel truck and chauffer. The local rightwing rag, the oregonian, was fully complicit and if you ask the average Portlander about it they'll say "Oh yeah, the FBI saved us from that terrorist muslim bomber...". Any extraterrestria l explorer looking for sentient life here on earth would probably skip North America. Your last paragraph is as eloquent and concise as any I have seen here. And your take on hirsch is probably correct. Thank you. Edward Bernays certainly was a clever and evil fuck, wasn't he...
From the article: "Excitement over America’s use of drones in multiple Muslim countries is, predictably, causing those weapons to be imported onto U.S. soil. Federal law enforcement agencies and local police forces are buying more and more of them and putting them to increasingly diverse domestic uses, as well as patrolling the border, and even private corporations are now considering how to use them. One U.S. drone manufacturer advertises its product as ideal for “urban monitoring.”"
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/06/nprs_domestic_drone_commercial/singleton/
and the videos are everywhere ... seems that Iranian media are more truth worthy than ours.
As far as Iran is concerned, the US, through covert intevention, helped to overthrow Mohammed Mossadeq in 1953, calling him a communist. Mossadeq was a democratic socialist who wanted Iran's natural resouces, principally its petro resources, nationalized for the benefit of the Iranian people. The US would not allow that.
Ever since the promulgation of the Kennan doctrine in 1948, The US has had a foreign policy based on capture and control of vital natural resources. Our actual, not publicly stated, policy is an American-style continuation of the old British "great game" policy.
Israel, with its very advanced and powerful nuclear weapons program--begun decades ago with the help of the French and British, is in no real danger from Iran. That whole threat scenario is merely a smoke screen for more of the same old great game bushwa.
It doesn't matter whether Obama or some other custodian of US interests is in charge; the policy and strategy will remain the same, thus guaranteeing global resistance to great game moves.
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