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Excerpt: "Asked whether the United States, in cooperation with Israel, was now engaged in a covert war against Iran's nuclear program that may include the Stuxnet virus, the blowing-up of facilities and the assassination or kidnapping of scientists, one recently retired U.S. official privy to up-to-date intelligence would not deny it."

Protesters storm the British embassy in Tehran. (photo: AP)
Protesters storm the British embassy in Tehran. (photo: AP)



War With Iran May Already Have Begun

By Michael Hirsh, The Atlantic

06 December 11

 

wo incidents that occurred on Sunday-Iran's claim of a shoot-down of a U.S. drone, and an explosion outside the British embassy in Bahrain-may have been unrelated. But they appear to add to growing evidence that an escalating covert war by the West is under way against Iran, and that Tehran is retaliating with greater intensity than ever.

Asked whether the United States, in cooperation with Israel, was now engaged in a covert war against Iran's nuclear program that may include the Stuxnet virus, the blowing-up of facilities and the assassination or kidnapping of scientists, one recently retired U.S. official privy to up-to-date intelligence would not deny it.

"It's safe to say the Israelis are very active," the official said, adding about U.S. efforts: "Everything that [GOP presidential candidate] Mitt Romney said we should be doing-tough sanctions, covert action and pressuring the international community - are all of the things we are actually doing." Though the activities are classified, a senior Obama administration official also would not deny that such a program was under way. He indicated that the U.S. was not involved in every action, referring to recent alleged explosions at Isfahan and elsewhere. But, he added: "I wouldn't assume that everything we do is coordinated."

Former undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, who oversaw America's Iran engagement during the Bush administration, asked Sunday about reports that the U.S. program began under George W. Bush, said he could not comment on intelligence matters.

In September, the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, accused Great Britain, Israel and the U.S. of conducting attacks on him and other Iranian scientists."Six years ago the intelligence service of the UK began collecting information and data regarding my past, my family, the number of children," Abbasi-Davani told a news conference at the annual conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna. Abbasi-Davani, who was said to have been wounded in 2010 car bomb explosion, said the attacks were carried out by Israel with the "support of the intelligence services of the United States and England."

Last week, Iranian protesters stormed the British embassy in Tehran. Dominick Chilcott, Britain's ambassador to Iran, later said the attack occurred "with the acquiescence and the support of the state." Then, on Sunday, Bahrain's interior ministry announced that an explosion occurred inside a minibus parked near the British Embassy. There were no immediate reports of serious damage or injuries.

U.S. officials alleged in October that agents acting for Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which has increasingly exerted control over the Tehran regime, were involved in a plot to kill that Saudi ambassador to Washington in a restaurant. Iran denied the allegations. Then, on Sunday, in what have been another escalation, Iran's news agency reported that Iranian armed forces shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that illegally crossed the country's eastern border.

Responding to the Iranian report, NATO command in Afghanistan released a terse statement Sunday: "The UAV to which the Iranians are referring may be a US unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week. The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status."

The White House declined to comment but officials did not seem unduly alarmed, suggesting that the drone's capture would not provide Iran with significant information about U.S. surveillance technology and techniques.

Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council in Washington, said the tit-for-tat incidents "add up to a very worrisome picture," in part because "the Iranians are absorbing all of these assassinations without seeing the pace of their nuclear program slow down to the extent it would be acceptable to the West." But if Iranian retaliations grow serious enough, he said, they could provide "the pretext for a much larger war" in which the Israelis, and possibly the Americans, launch a full attack on Iran.

Mark Hibbs, a nuclear expert at the Carnegie Endowment in Germany, says the intensity of the covert war indicates that this is where the U.S. and Israel are putting their energy for now. "If the U.S. or Israel were determined to take Iran's nuclear installations out they wouldn't be wasting time pinpointing individual scientists like this," he says. Still, he points out, that Israel's 1981 attack on Iraq's Osirak reactor was also preceded by assassination attempts on Iraqi scientists.

By accident or not, it's entirely possible the covert war could escalate into a real one, experts say. "I am less enthusiastic about how effective all this going to be than some people in the administration," says Matthew Bunn, a nuclear investigator at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government. Bunn says he has occasionally discussed the program with the Obama administration officials, and "some have broadly suggested they think this is major element of slowing down Iranian progress."

He's not so sure. "Take Stuxnet. It's possible that a thousand centrifuges went down" because of sabotage by the mystery computer virus _ a super sophisticated program said to have caused substantial parts of Iran's uranium enrichment program to self-destruct several years ago. "But Iran has a thousand more than they would require to enrich to highly enriched uranium" needed for a bomb. Bunn also notes that Iran is increasingly keeping its key scientists such as Mohsen Fakrizadeh, said to be the "Oppenheimer" of the Iranian program, hidden away from sight and burying its facilities deeper underground.

Beyond that, says Hibbs, "Some of the concern in the expert community is that in going this route we're unleashing forces we cannot control."

 

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+32 # noitall 2011-12-06 12:09
"we're unleashing forces we cannot control."

Gee, that would be a first...NOT! Every time the Pentagon, CIA, or Administration makes a move for their expansive empiracle agenda rather than in reaction to reality, WE end up out of control. Their response to being "out of control" is to throw our youth and treasure at it. I'm sick of it, how about you? Recently, our nuclear experts reported that Iran shows no evidence of being anywhere near a bomb and it is debatable if they are trying. As long as one has it, all will need one in order to be secure. Just ask Sadam and Muammar. In this mad world, if you don't have the ultimate weapon, your days are numbered (if you have oil or anything else the greedy in the world need). Case in point, the Congo. Another broken Obama promise.
 
 
+5 # Todd Williams 2011-12-06 13:54
That's the ticket. Lay the blame squarely on Obama. Of course he's the only one guilty. Never mind our mistaken and ill conceived foreign policy since the end of World War II. It's only Obama's fault. By the way, what the hell did Obama do wrong in the Congo? I thought he was going in there to help train Congolese troops to stop mass murder. I guess not. Obama's so damn evil!
 
 
+10 # noitall 2011-12-06 14:40
Quoting Todd Williams:
That's the ticket. Lay the blame squarely on Obama. Of course he's the only one guilty. Never mind our mistaken and ill conceived foreign policy since the end of World War II. It's only Obama's fault. By the way, what the hell did Obama do wrong in the Congo? I thought he was going in there to help train Congolese troops to stop mass murder. I guess not. Obama's so damn evil!

Read up on it. Obama in his campaign promised to hold accountable those responsible for the evils in the Congo. He's done nothing except continue the policies that make profit out of chaos. Ignoring Obama's lapses of memory of his campaign rhetoric does nothing patriotic.
 
 
+18 # humanmancalvin 2011-12-06 12:14
On the off chance the US is drawn into war with Iran, and I hope not, my question is: will the party of do the polar opposite of any and everything President Obama does/utters/dre ams/ support this quest? Or will they all of a sudden become the party of the peaceful doves? These hypocrites have no bound of decency and only pretend to have shame when convenient. Think President Clinton and the holier than thou moral outrage and consider the GOP frontrunner Newt Gingrich, Clintons chief knife thrower who as we know now was cheating on his dieing wife while persecuting Clinton. Where is the moral outrage? No one home...
Vote straight Democrat(ic) and save our country.
 
 
+20 # John Locke 2011-12-06 12:52
This war with IRAN has been in the opting for years, Obama appears to be right in league with the neo-conservativ es that provided bush policy, and the teltale offering by the Project for A New American Century, where the pretext for war with Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia was a given! all that was required, it stated was another Pearl Harbor type event to set it in motion, and gee how lucky they were 9-11 gave them that pearl harbor event...the US wants control of the world oil supply and there is no stopping our governments ambition
 
 
-3 # Todd Williams 2011-12-06 13:58
John, you are so right on. You've managed to distill about 66 years of US foreign policy in to one, easy-to-underst and, sweeping analysis. You're a real genius. You should be Secretary of State or even President.
 
 
+2 # geraldom 2011-12-06 14:36
I have to apologize to you, John. My response below wasn't meant for you. I don't know how things got so screwed up. My response was for humanmancalvin who made that wonderful statement, "Vote straight Democrat(ic) and save our country." In my response to humanmancalvin, I used your name in place of his in the last sentence of my response.
 
 
+3 # SoCalStar 2011-12-08 00:42
John Locke, you said, "the US wants control of the world oil supply and there is no stopping our governments ambition." I think it is not just our government. It appears to be the multinational war machine bankers who dictate policy to our elected prostitutes we call representatives.

Cheney said in 1994 that US oil interests had to get oil out of the Caspian Sea area. There are 3 pathways for a pipeline: through Iran-NEVER!, 3,000 miles across China who might decide to nationalize it-not likely, and through Afghanistan, except there are all those uncooperative clanleaders and warlords who rule their areas of the country. And so the US bided its time to go to war and soon the excuse presented itself--with a bit of help from someone, since the PATRIOT act was written and waiting to be voted and signed and out kids shipped out as cannon fodder for the bankers war machine.
 
 
+4 # Tee 2011-12-06 13:39
Israel wants no opposition in the area. Iran and Turkey is the only countries that really can possibly deal with Israel militarily. Turkey is the puzzle to me.

The Muslim world is so disunited against itself that the West will deal with them one at a time. The Muslim Arabs are the most disunited people in the world.
 
 
-10 # Todd Williams 2011-12-06 14:02
Tee, I'm not sure if I understand what you wrote. First, it's "Iran and Turkey ARE the only countries," not "is." Secondly, what the hell does "the Muslim world is so disunited against itself that the West will deal with them one at a time" mean? Huh?
 
 
+7 # John Gill 2011-12-06 16:03
Todd, Not everyone who responds with comments on this site was born and "schooled" in a country where the ONLY language they were required to learn was "Marekin'." Being a grammar nazi will never win you an argument, unless it's one over grammar...maybe . Incidentally, here's a little Webster's for ya. Roll this up in your poatayto or potahto an smoke it.

Main Entry: dis·unite
Pronunciation: (ˌ)dis-yü-ˈnīt, -yə-, dish-
Function: verb
Date: 1598
transitive verb
: divide, separate
 
 
-4 # Todd Williams 2011-12-06 17:23
I was freaking kidding, you uptight person. And in fact, I may just go roll one up right now and smoke it. I suggest you do the same and chill out, dude.
 
 
+6 # John Gill 2011-12-06 20:19
Todd, I just went back and reread your comment to tee and could find no indication of "kidding" anywhere. I remember you now from about a year ago. You were "kidding" then, too. Seems to be a habit. Seriously man, if you are going to indulge in this kind of behavior online, at least have the courage to either own up and apologize or maybe even say something like, "Hey, I felt like being a prick, so what?" Anything is better than the old "I was kidding, man!"
 
 
0 # jerryball 2011-12-07 16:57
John, there are Pricks Galore to go around. Scale down your thorny scorny vitriol a few notches and thank God that Todd joined the conversation. You might find yourself in an echo chamber with that attitude.
 
 
+11 # geraldom 2011-12-06 13:47
I would've love to click on the green hand with the thumb pointing up, but I couldn't click on any of the two options because of your final statement and I quote, "Vote straight Democrat(ic) and save our country."

I will not vote Republican, ever, but there are many Democrats that need to be replace immediately come November of 2012, not the least being the 25 Democrats in the Senate, assholes all, who voted for the amendment that was added to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which will give the president, be it Obama or any future president, the right to illegally kidnap from anywhere in the world, without charge or due process, from any sovereign nation (It's called Extraordinary Rendition), anyone that we declare to be an enemy combatant, be he (or she) innocent or not, including American citizens, and hold them forever, secretly if necessary, without a (proper) trial. That also includes the right of the president to declare any American citizen residing physically in the United States itself as being an enemy combatant without charge or (proper) trial, and that also would include you and me and anyone in our families who, by the president's definition, is not acting like a loyal and patriotic American.

By the way, Carl Levin goes to the top of that replace list. John, you're going to like living in the new Nazi Germany.
 
 
+15 # sandyboy 2011-12-06 14:00
America the exceptional, oh yeah. Exceptionally wrong, mendacious, pompous and morally bankrupt. I weep for the land I always loved to visit and wished I could live in. This is giving the Iranians the moral high ground - why is it western nations can have nuclear bombs yet other countries are the subject of illegal assassinations etc just cos we assume they are lying about trying to build one? Here in UK the govt expelled Iranian diplomats cos our embassy over there got trashed, yet here we are apparently murdering and kidnapping their scientists. Are we really going to send more US kids to die for $$$? Maybe that's the real reason troops are being withdrawn from Iraq.
 
 
-15 # Todd Williams 2011-12-06 14:10
Yes sandyboy, America does really suck. We all hate it over here. I just wish I could have lived in the era of Colonial England. That must have been very cool subjugating lesser peoples and foisting your King or Queen on ignorant savages. That must have been very cool! By the way, I think we should all give up our nukes. But if the other countrues are against that, then only the US should give them up. What a great plan! I've always wanted meglomatic dictators to control nukes. They are such responsible people.
 
 
+25 # heraldmage 2011-12-06 14:21
WE the people must make it clear to all government official especially the Congress & White house that we do not support another war on anyone.
It is time to put a stop to giving Israel what it wants.
We must make it clear that anyone who supports war or continued action against a sovereign nation will lose their job.
The military & the military industrial complex must be controlled. No more money period. Stop all covert activity.
In fact we should demand all contracts except food & clothes be cancelled. All troops, naval vessels, aircraft, bombs, missiles, tanks, vehicles weapons and armaments must be brought onto continental USA soil for a public accounting.
Any future purchases will be based on public approved projects after the stockpile and warehouse full of weapons are used or recycled.
It is time for a department of Peace not war. If the Congress military leadership and privileged 1% want war they should have the privilege of being on the front line as privates, rather than wasting the lives of our youth & our resource which could be better spend rebuilding our country & funding R&D on non military new products.
The 1st priority of our government should be life not death.
 
 
+1 # SoCalStar 2011-12-08 01:01
And how would you suggest doing that? Most American Christians SUPPORT the US being the bodyguard for the nation of Israel. Some Hebrew people see the nation of Israel as being an impostor but too many Americans are willing to go into hell to back them. I like Ron Paul's comment that they are big enough to take care of themselves.
 
 
-5 # MidwestTom 2011-12-06 14:28
If you listened to B. Hussain Obama today, he said that the age of making ones own way is behind us, and we now all need the government to help us. I have voted for both Democrats and republicans in my life time, but I cannot vote for Obama. I hate wall street and the fact that Obama is protecting them from prosecution. I do not believe that we have any interest in the MiddleEast, and we should get all of our troops out. Let the Arabs fight it out. We claim that Iran is sponsoring terrorism, but we do not complain when Saudi sends troops into Yemen. If we are in the MidEast for Oil, lets drill and produce our own and get our forces out of the war zone.
 
 
+12 # noitall 2011-12-06 15:28
Drill baby drill, MWTom. What we need is extreme paradigm change in energy and use oil only to meet those ends. WalMart addicts, hang onto your big asses.
 
 
+5 # Glen 2011-12-06 16:03
To be extremely mercenary: let's let other countries wreck their environments drilling for our oil, rather than wrecking out country. Joke.

The U.S. and Israel have a great interest in the Middle East that goes beyond oil and mineral treasures that boost our technology. They want control, and to keep China, Russia, et al., out of the area. Of course, there is also the income from drugs. This is as much an economic war as it is literal, in extending the power of the U.S. and Israel.

The U.S. will never leave the Middle East and will, as I have said half a dozen times, start a world war over it.
 
 
-6 # Todd Williams 2011-12-06 17:27
Right on, Glen. Makes perfect sense. I love my fellow Libs that want to drill anywhere but here. Hey, let's screw up Brazil or Indonesia. Great idea. I say NO MORE DRILLING ANYWHERE! How does that sound you uptighters? Makes sense to me.
 
 
+4 # Glen 2011-12-07 06:58
You will notice, Todd, that I added the word joke at the end of the line. Very important.

The damage has been done to the planet, and those wanting to drill in the U.S. and sell off publicly owned land have no idea what that plan will mean to the U.S.
 
 
-1 # SoCalStar 2011-12-08 01:11
Please explain how you love to live in a cold dwelling with no refrigerator, stove, cooling, hot showers, cars planes,etc. because solar, wind, geothermal... will NOT replace oil and gas any time soon.

And the solar and wind factories Obama is trying to jam into the desert is ruining our environment here in the desert.
 
 
0 # boudreaux 2011-12-08 14:28
Quoting Todd Williams:
Right on, Glen. Makes perfect sense. I love my fellow Libs that want to drill anywhere but here. Hey, let's screw up Brazil or Indonesia. Great idea. I say NO MORE DRILLING ANYWHERE! How does that sound you uptighters? Makes sense to me.



Todd, you seem to really be on a roll today, do you need a big hug!!! I'll give you one if you give me the old TOm that I used to know back....(JOKE). ...luv ya baby...
 
 
0 # SoCalStar 2011-12-08 01:05
Then you should take a long serious look at Ron Paul's policies. He believes in trading with all and staying out of other nations' business, but protect ourselves if attacked. He does not support any special laws favoring certain businesses, not laws bailing them out.
 
 
+17 # walt 2011-12-06 14:38
Here we go again!

Israel has cornered the USA to do its dirty work as the controlled media works to portray Iran as the evil empire.

Will we ever see our military dedicated solely to defending the USA? That's very doubtful!
 
 
+13 # sandyboy 2011-12-06 15:30
Todd, I'm a Scot and have no love for England's dominance of other lands (including mine) in the colonial past. Why do you assume that because I criticise the misdeeds of the US I approve of those of UK? D'oh.Hilarious that you say it "must have been very cool subjugating other peoples" when that's what America has been doing for decades, imposing puppet dictators in South America and sucking up to guys like Saddam until they refuse to play ball. Don't suppose you're a Republican by any chance. Take a poll. How many of you reading this think Todd is right and all is fine with assassinations etc?
 
 
+5 # Ken Hall 2011-12-06 17:09
Thumbs up to you, sandyboy.
 
 
-3 # Todd Williams 2011-12-06 17:13
So you're a Scot? My ancestors are mostly Scotish. This explains your contrary position! Naw, man, I'm not a Rethug. Been a died in the wool Liberal for about 45 years. And no I don't assume that you are critical of the US and not the UK. And yes, I know all about the US interference in Central and South America. Spent a lot of time in Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama. I know the entire history of United Fruit and their manipuplations of US foreign policy in Latin America. Of course I'm hip to our government's history with Sadam. And no, I don't dig assasinations at all. But I also know a little bit about British colonial history and you dudes weren't exactly cool with other peoples. Hey man, I'm a freaking American and believe me I have some personal knowledge about England! I had a relative that fought in the American Revolution. So dude, I'm on your side, man. Dig it?
 
 
0 # SoCalStar 2011-12-08 01:16
Now your turn for a grammar lesson, Todd.
Died in the wool--you keeled over wearing a wool coat.

Dyed in the wool--you added color (implication: that is permanent color)to the wool
 
 
+7 # geraldom 2011-12-06 18:06
sandyboy, you only mentioned the U.S. installing puppet dictators in South America. You've forgot a few places like the current leader of Mexico who stole the pres election with our help. What about the recent coup in Guatamala. It is my contention that the Obama admin was behind it & supported it.

We helped install U.S. puppets in Central America, in Eastern Europe in violation of the treaty we made with Mikhail Gorbachev in the early 1990s when the Soviet Union split up, in the middle east, Nouri al-Maliki in Iraq & Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, & I also have to include Pakistan in that statement. Even a U.S. puppet leader can only take so much getting spit on. The U.S. has installed puppet leaders in many countries in Africa. Neither Ethiopia or Kenya would've illegally invaded Somalia without U.S. backing. I even accuse the leaders of the U.K., France, & Germany of being in bed with the U.S., more interested in serving us than their own people. And, let's not forget Canada. Stephen Harper, as far as I'm concerned, is a U.S. plant.

I can go on & on & on with listing so-called sovereign nations throughout the world who have leaders who are more interested in pleasing us, the U.S., than their own people. The U.S. has even fully taken over the U.N., most especially the IAEA by getting the man they wanted to head it and the chief himself of the whole U.N., the Secretary General himself, Ban Ki-moon.

Did I miss anything?
 
 
+6 # jerryball 2011-12-07 17:09
...and now we have Romney spouting off that he would "replace" Syria's Assad, as if he has the God-given right to do so. Hate to say it, but my country has a bunch of colossal airheads trying to run the country as if it were the only game in town, as if we're the only sovereign nation left? Seems we're headed for a big fall if we keep this delusion up.
 
 
+6 # SoCalStar 2011-12-08 01:20
A friend of mine has a tee shirt that says "I love my country but I am ashamed of my government." I agree.
 
 
+5 # boudreaux 2011-12-08 14:31
Quoting SoCalStar:
A friend of mine has a tee shirt that says "I love my country but I am ashamed of my government." I agree.



I give that person a great big thumbs up.
 
 
+5 # sandyboy 2011-12-06 15:44
PS: I never said the US should give up nukes when others won't. That's the exact OPPOSITE of what I said! And you have the gall to criticise another poster for a simple grammatical slip! Sheesh.
 
 
+1 # sandyboy 2011-12-06 16:13
PPS: and very telling that you refer to countries subjugated as "lesser" and "ignorant savages", no Todd? Your words.
 
 
+3 # John Gill 2011-12-06 19:36
Yeah, but sandy....he was only kidding! :P
 
 
+10 # RMDC 2011-12-06 20:35
Why does RSN publish such egregious bullshit as this article? Take a look at this --

"U.S. officials alleged in October that agents acting for Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which has increasingly exerted control over the Tehran regime, were involved in a plot to kill that Saudi ambassador to Washington in a restaurant. Iran denied the allegations. Then, on Sunday, in what have been another escalation, Iran's news agency reported that Iranian armed forces shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that illegally crossed the country's eastern border."

1. Iran's revolutionary guard is NOT exerting influence over the government. the Revolutionary Guard is a figment of the imagination of American propaganda.

2. No Iranian was involved in a plot to kill a Saudi ambassador. That was an FBI set up. The FBI fabricated the plot 100%.

3. Shooting down a spy plane is not an escalation. Flying the spy planes over Iran is the escalation.

One of the main ways that propaganda works is to give one or two true pieces of information woven into a fabric of lies. People tend to take the lies as true. So a false history and false reality gets built up in the minds of the infinitely stupid Amerikkkans who will cite things like the Iraqi involvement in 9-11 until they die. Fox has mastered this technique. The only way to combat this propaganda is to condemn it outright -- say that assholes like Michael Hirsch are complicit with the war of aggression.
 
 
+1 # William Bjornson 2011-12-07 01:45
How many passports does hirsch have? Thanks RMDC, welcome cold water in My face. I saw the FBI b.s. when I originally read that Saudi story but it slipped by me just now, aged brain. I've been buying the Revolutionary Guard thing right along. And we need to be devising a defense against the drones using whatever we can find to hand because they will be here soon. Maybe smaller local police sized ones, but they will be here.

The FBI ran a psyop against Portland Oregon corrupting an innocent local kid (good kid, good student) with emotional issues surrounding his (Moslem) parents pending divorce into acting as the stooge in a 'bomb plot' with a fake bomb wholly built and supplied to the kid complete with FBI panel truck and chauffer. The local rightwing rag, the oregonian, was fully complicit and if you ask the average Portlander about it they'll say "Oh yeah, the FBI saved us from that terrorist muslim bomber...". Any extraterrestria l explorer looking for sentient life here on earth would probably skip North America. Your last paragraph is as eloquent and concise as any I have seen here. And your take on hirsch is probably correct. Thank you. Edward Bernays certainly was a clever and evil fuck, wasn't he...
 
 
+2 # SoCalStar 2011-12-08 01:32
NPR is showing that the drones have already arrived in US airspace and can survey a whole city quickly to keep us 'safe'. And get ready to be spied on to collect data about what you might buy so someone can create false 'needs' for things you just can't live without and hose your pockets easier.

From the article: "Excitement over America’s use of drones in multiple Muslim countries is, predictably, causing those weapons to be imported onto U.S. soil. Federal law enforcement agencies and local police forces are buying more and more of them and putting them to increasingly diverse domestic uses, as well as patrolling the border, and even private corporations are now considering how to use them. One U.S. drone manufacturer advertises its product as ideal for “urban monitoring.”"
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/06/nprs_domestic_drone_commercial/singleton/
 
 
+4 # mjc 2011-12-07 12:00
There is really no effort on the part of this administration or any diplomatic or military forces to deny that we are at war...covert but real, with Iran. The Israelis are delighted because they don't want any other possible nuclear armed nation in the Middle East and because the more the US can be drawn into a real war the easier it is for Israel to join, again, covertly or openly. What is our problem? We can't abide having other nations who don't kiss our president's ring? or we don't like Muslims? or we just want a great empire in the Middle East? It used to be that foreign policy was based on national interest. This particular policy is not and some of the strings are being pulled by a nation, Israel, who constantly sees itself as a victim needing a STRONG friend...i.e., the United States. We have become a military state with all the evils associated with that and representative government is only for the wealthy with lots of energy interests and support for any empire designs of our government.
 
 
+3 # Archie1954 2011-12-07 17:05
I'm pretty tired of articles like this one that don't call a spade a spade. Never mind the covert actions, it is terrorism plain and simple and it is the US and Israel committing the crime. Talk about gross hypocrites!
 
 
+4 # jerryball 2011-12-07 17:15
Israel might be the last apartheid country left. They are determined to steal all of Jerusalem and keep that concentration camp of Palestinians enclosed, separate, and on their knees in perpetuity.
 
 
+2 # Activista 2011-12-08 13:18
"flying over the Iranian city of Kashmar, some 140 miles (225km) from the Afghan border" US drone was taken down ....
and the videos are everywhere ... seems that Iranian media are more truth worthy than ours.
 
 
0 # mjc 2011-12-10 09:22
The American public will ultimately see this too...I hope. First the denials, and then the apologists who stated that there was nothing very important in that drone. Liars. No explanation of why the hell that drone was in Iran either.
 
 
+1 # Travlinlight 2011-12-09 08:29
The US has been involved in resouce wars or interventions since at least the end of WW I. The US occupation of Haiti in 1919 occurred because the Haitan Constitution outawed foreign investors from exploiting Haiti's natural resources. The US wouldn't stand for that.

As far as Iran is concerned, the US, through covert intevention, helped to overthrow Mohammed Mossadeq in 1953, calling him a communist. Mossadeq was a democratic socialist who wanted Iran's natural resouces, principally its petro resources, nationalized for the benefit of the Iranian people. The US would not allow that.

Ever since the promulgation of the Kennan doctrine in 1948, The US has had a foreign policy based on capture and control of vital natural resources. Our actual, not publicly stated, policy is an American-style continuation of the old British "great game" policy.

Israel, with its very advanced and powerful nuclear weapons program--begun decades ago with the help of the French and British, is in no real danger from Iran. That whole threat scenario is merely a smoke screen for more of the same old great game bushwa.

It doesn't matter whether Obama or some other custodian of US interests is in charge; the policy and strategy will remain the same, thus guaranteeing global resistance to great game moves.
 

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