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Carl Gibson writes, "Despite billionaire Warren Buffett's pleas to reduce the deficit by shifting the tax burden to the super-rich, Republican members of Congress have officially come out in favor of raising taxes on the poor, while fiercely protecting trillions in tax handouts for billionaires, big oil and corporate jet owners. Right-wing politicians and corporate-media pundits have now set their sights on 'lucky duckies,' or the bottom half of Americans who don't pay federal income taxes."

A low-income single mother faces financial hardship and homelessness. (photo: Center for Justice, Tolerance snd Community)
A low-income single mother faces financial hardship and homelessness. (photo: Center for Justice, Tolerance snd Community)



GOP's Debt Solution: Soak the Poor

By Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News

27 August 11


Reader Supported News | Perspective

 

magine a bulky schoolyard bully routinely holding you and your classmates upside-down by your shoes and pocketing the money that falls out, using the amount gained from his extortion to buy a new bike at the end of each semester. Now imagine enduring this process every day, all year, throughout each grade of school.

What if one day, the bully actually complained that you weren't bringing enough lunch money to school because he wanted a nicer bike? Would you comply and let him rob you of a larger amount, or would you and your fellow classmates surround the teacher and demand the bully return the money he stole?

Despite billionaire Warren Buffett's pleas to reduce the deficit by shifting the tax burden to the super-rich, Republican members of Congress have officially come out in favor of raising taxes on the poor, while fiercely protecting trillions in tax handouts for billionaires, big oil and corporate jet owners. Right-wing politicians and corporate-media pundits have now set their sights on "lucky duckies," or the bottom half of Americans who don't pay federal income taxes. As law professor Edward Kleinbard noted, this statement is misleading and ignores the need for meaningful reform of our tax code.

Jon Stewart creatively dismantled the poor-people-don't-pay-taxes argument on The Daily Show, highlighting conservatives who dismissed the $700 billion in revenue gained from ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in 2010. According to Stewart's calculations, taking exactly half of everything owned by the bottom 50% of Americans would also generate $700 billion, exactly as much revenue as increasing the tax rate for the richest Americans by a modest 3%. Stewart sarcastically suggested Republicans trim the deficit by seizing all assets owned by the bottom half of Americans.

It's incredibly audacious for the rich to ask the poor to pay more in taxes in order to protect their budget-busting tax breaks, especially considering America's wealth disparity. The gap between the richest and everyone else has grown to levels even greater than on the eve of the crash that triggered the great depression, with the top .001% of Americans now owning 976 times more than the bottom 90%. In 1928, the richest only owned 892 times more than the bottom 90%.

And of course, those accusing the working poor of freeloading ignore the fact that 1 in 4 American jobs don't even pay poverty wages, or that the federal income tax is inherently designed to avoid hitting the poor, the elderly and working families with children. Such bold accusations also ignore the reality that all of the aforementioned groups still pay roughly one-third of their income in sales, property, payroll and excise taxes.

A single mother struggling to keep a roof over her child's head would probably love to trade places with a six-figure earner and bear the burden of paying federal income tax on a comfortable salary. But would a six-figure earner be willing to work three part-time minimum wage jobs and still worry about how the rent is going to be paid at the end of the month? Would he really be eager to forgo paying federal income tax if it meant he had to scrape quarters together to buy beans, lentils and ramen noodles for dinner?

Big oil doesn't need $4 billion per year in taxpayer subsidies - they're making record profits. Excessive tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires won't create jobs - the unemployment rate doubled after ten years of the Bush tax cuts. And corporate jet owners don't need a tax break while public employees nationwide are losing their jobs to budget cuts.

America needs to surround our teacher before recess and make a strong statement together - the bullies don't need to rob us of our lunch money to continue their excessive lifestyles. Let's stop subsidizing wealth for the sake of wealth, and leave struggling middle-class families alone.


Carl Gibson, 24, of Lexington, Kentucky, is a spokesman and organizer for US Uncut, a nonviolent, creative direct-action movement to stop budget cuts by getting corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. He graduated from Morehead State University in 2009 with a B.A. in Journalism before starting the first US Uncut group in Jackson, Mississippi, in February of 2011. Since then, over 20,000 US Uncut activists have carried out more than 300 actions in over 100 cities nationwide. You may contact Carl at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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+77 # angryspittle 2011-08-27 17:18
Isn't it about time for an "American" spring?
 
 
+19 # Ellen Cantarow 2011-08-28 08:39
It's about time! And I don't buy the "apathetic Middle America" argument - well, I buy it, but a fired-up minority ALWAYS has to start a movement. I'm 70. Will you younger folks start us off? (I am among the most cynical: but it is a VERY corrosive emotion that results in paralysis.)
 
 
+28 # Sean de Waal 2011-08-27 18:27
But nobody will 'surround the teacher at lunch break' - or any other time. In fact you'll all vote for him again and he'll allow the same bullying, if not worse.

There is nothing more apathetic than the average white middle-lower class individual. While an American spring is well-needed, I don't see it happening anytime soon. The nation is so sedated by television and fast food that they'll watch their livelihoods disappear down a drain rather than standing up to the authorities that allow it to happen. Good luck America!
 
 
+9 # rtrues54 2011-08-28 13:21
"There is nothing more apathetic than the average white middle-lower class individual. While an American spring is well-needed, I don't see it happening anytime soon. The nation is so sedated by television and fast food that they'll watch their livelihoods disappear down a drain rather than standing up to the authorities that allow it to happen. Good luck America!"

TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER WRITTEN!!!

TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS! TO THE STREETS!
 
 
+76 # wwway 2011-08-27 20:38
Middle class Americans who have voted for Republicans the last 30 + years are Chickens for Col. Sanders. The people get the government they deserve and being motivated to vote just because of guns or being against abortion while ignoring the real issues in life is just plain dumb because your headed toward the slaughter house. I think Americans hit the tipping point when they voted for Bush.
 
 
+3 # karester 2011-08-29 23:09
"The people get the government they deserve"

If a real majority of the people were involved in the voting process, I might agree. Our public officials are elected by a very small percentage of the American people. And, before you jump the gun, the whole election process is archaic, slanted towards middle and upper classes, and discourages those living on the outer fringes of society to vote. Precinct after precinct are located in churches which, IMO, is a gross violation of the separation of church and state.
 
 
+9 # Mickeyfilm 2011-08-27 20:39
What a horible comment that the "white middle-class individual" is so apathetic. Most of them are miserable right now. I blame much of what you call "apathetic" on the poor educational system that they (me) have. It would be great if they were simply sedated by TV but a large number of them have lost their cable and their TV. Do you simpley think they watched their livelihoods disappear and felt nothing? No, they felt, and feel a lot. One thing I'll promise, they will respond. And it's not going to be to Republican or Tea Party rhetoric. I'd rather be allied with them than any inteligentsia.
 
 
+44 # Jon in Idaho 2011-08-27 23:32
Then you'd be promoting/stren gthening the policies/party that wants to end the middle-class, if that makes any difference to you.The real powers that are at work in the conservative movement don't like public education, environmental regulations, workers rights, social security, medicare, etc. All of these things impede the acquisition of wealth in their eyes. I'm one of those White middle-class guys that's pretty miserable right now but I understand that tax cuts for the rich are not going to improve my situation or the countrys. I don't know about you but I can't afford to send my two kids to a private school, my kids need public schools and pell grants. I don't know if your parents or you yourself rely on social security to make ends meet, I sure know people that do. Same for medicare. The conservatives have done a tremendous job in some how geeting poor and middle-class people to vote against their best interests over and over. It sounds good on the surface, I know, cut spending, no taxes, no gun laws (I own guns), no regulations, free market rules, but you just have to look for a second to see what they're up to. If they got their way the middle-class would cease to exist! I don't know what you mean by "inteligentsia" , do you mean smart people? I'd rather be with the smart people than whatever the other choice is.
 
 
+10 # mad 2011-08-28 00:09
? to whom will we respond? are we out on the street with our drums and whistles?
when a bunch of us went to our congressperson' s office we were given papers to fill out and then after we filled them out we went home. (or to our miserable part time jobs...) how much money is being wasted deporting folks? did you see those kids come out on the street, msybe some risking their freedom? maybe the spring is passing us(are you also?) old fogeys by
 
 
+18 # Capn Canard 2011-08-28 09:25
Mickeyfilm, I believe your anger at the intelligentsia is entirely misplaced. The problem isn't the intelligentsia so much as who holds the wealth. And notice that those who hold wealth have bitterly complained about their tax burden while their tax burden has DECREASED and your tax burden has Increased. Hmmm, what side are you on? The Tea Party has shown an ignorance that is beyond profound. If the Tea Party were realistic then they would recognize that tax increases from Congress are BI-PARTISAN and such policies in the past 30 years have favored those who are wealthy. Well, that sheds some light on the source of your frustration. Your Tea Party is a fustercluck of the worst kind, you can expect more of a tax burden from them unless they end two wars and excess funding of Military Industrial Complex and the Bush Tax Breaks for Billionaires. Until then, BOHICA.
 
 
0 # chick 2011-08-29 08:47
Mickeyfilm I think you are contradicting yourself.
I just think you made a mistake. When you say and its not going to be Republican etc. that sounds good, but then you add I'd rather be allied with them.

With who? the Republicans or the Democrats?

I will give you and up sign on the first but a down one on the second.
 
 
+42 # hms 2011-08-27 21:14
I'm eagerly waiting to see if items like this will be used against the Republicans in the next election. Oh, that would take some Democrats with a fighting spirit to put an aggressive campaign together to START to hold them accountable. I'll not hold my breath!

If they had the guts to do such a campaign, they should start TOMORROW because the repulsive Republicans need to be knocked back on their heels each and every day until that election!
 
 
+9 # Lisa D. 2011-08-28 09:49
Quoting hms:
I'm eagerly waiting to see if items like this will be used against the Republicans in the next election. Oh, that would take some Democrats with a fighting spirit to put an aggressive campaign together to START to hold them accountable. I'll not hold my breath!

If they had the guts to do such a campaign, they should start TOMORROW because the repulsive Republicans need to be knocked back on their heels each and every day until that election!


no, they should have started YESTERDAY!!!
 
 
+33 # joyc 2011-08-27 21:22
Always get a kick outta that "bottom half of Americans who dont pay tax'. Corporations and the wealthy dont pay tax either!!!!
 
 
+29 # aron pieman kay 2011-08-27 21:58
those gop extortionists need to go to jail
 
 
+8 # Rick Levy 2011-08-27 22:15
Americans for the most part just don't do street demonstrations unlike they're European counterparts. They consider it un-American no matter how much they're hurting.
 
 
+8 # M810 2011-08-28 17:48
You apparently do not remember the 60's or the Great Depression/ Americans took to the streets enmasse then to protest the depression, joblessness and Vietnam.
But back then Americans weren't so hypnotized by the GOP's rhetoric.
And the Tea Party, which started out Independent, has been infiltrated and taken over by the NeoCons. One of the problems with the TP and their ilk, is they have a poor understanding of history and society. Would most people really want to retrogress to the society and politics of 1776? I think not, but hey, don't tell the TP guys that.
 
 
0 # Rick Levy 2011-08-28 18:31
Yes I well remember the 60's and the street demonstrations. But those were composed mostly of young people especially college students, not a cross section of Americans.
 
 
+2 # karester 2011-08-29 22:54
UH, I think Dr. King, Malcolm X, the Chicago Seven (ages ranged from 29-53), the multi-aged women of the feminist movement, Veterans,and unions like the Teamsters are a rather eclectic sampling of Americans. They all had a role in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's, hence it's success...it was made up of all kinds of people. Study your history.
 
 
+28 # angelfish 2011-08-27 23:00
Sounds like we need to declare War on the ReTHUG Fascists in Congress and steel ourselves for the upcoming Battles ahead. WHAT is wrong with them? Are the Deaf, Dumb, & Blind to the Havoc being wreaked on our poor working and OUT OF WORK Citizens? I don't think so, they are Purely & simply GREEDY, SELFISH, SELF-SERVING and ENTHRALLED by their Mega-Wealthy Masters! It is THEY who have almost destroyed us by their inaction in Washington. It is THEY who have stymied this President in EVERYTHING good he has tried to accomplish for Americans and blocked his appointments to Key Government positions PURELY for Partisan reasons! It is THEY who have lost their Moral Compass, IF they ever had one!...and it is THEY who are Hell bent on running this Country off the Cliff rather than see a Black Democrat remind the people of what a Moron their god and Mentor, the "shrub" (Thank You, Mollie Ivins!) was and CONTINUES to be! FINALLY he is speaking out about that terrible day in September 2011! FINALLY! It has taken him ten, long years to manufacture a plausible (?) reason for sitting like a deer in the headlights on hearing of the attacks! He and his Svengali, Cheney, should be made accountable for their Crimes against Humanity! HIS mismanagement of Government Agencies and FUNDS and HIS Pre-emptive WAR based on LIES, cry out for Justice! By the way, WHERE are the JOBS, Mr. Boehner?
 
 
+23 # Tom Miller 2011-08-28 01:56
Still waiting for the White House to come out fighting. It's round 10. Bernie Sanders, Robert Reich and Paul Krugman can't do it alone. Is hope still alive or has it gone completely to the dark side?
 
 
+13 # DRA 2011-08-28 02:30
I agree with everything Mr. Gibson has to say, except his (or Mr. Stuart's) marginal rate solution. Raising marginal rates by 3% on the rich alone only raises that $700 billion over roughly 10 years. And only raising marginal rates doesn't really tax the super rich, who get most of their income via capital gains, and dodge taxes via other loopholes. You have to let the Bush tax cuts expire across the board--which Obama promised not to do for the middle class--before you raise enough revenue to really dent the deficit. Sorry, but the reality is that the deficit problem is bigger than can be solved by just raising marginal rates by 3%. And raising marginal rates primarily soaks two-worker upper middle-class families in high-cost areas on the East and West Coasts, and not the super rich. We can do better and be fairer than that. Let's close the loopholes first!
 
 
-45 # Shawn E Carter 2011-08-28 03:37
The entre basis of this article is simply not true. Doing away with the "Bush tax cuts" (or more accurately, implementing the Obama tax increase)would add taxpayers to the dole. Those taxpayers would be from the lower wage earners, not from the ubber rich.
 
 
+20 # ABen 2011-08-28 06:50
Carter; you sound like you are under the influence of tea. I suggest you drink less tea, think more about what you say, and watch less Fixed Noise.
 
 
+5 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-08-28 18:00
Quoting ABen:
Carter; you sound like you are under the influence of tea. I suggest you drink less tea, think more about what you say, and watch less Fixed Noise.


It's too late for him, ABen. He has already been assimilated by the "BORG," (Big Oil & Republican Greed). This guy keeps showing up on this site under at least 8-10 different names. Leave him be and lets get our country back on track, by first, ousting the RETHUGS, AND TEABAGGERS, who led the way in creating this mess! VOTE IN 2012!!! VOTE ABSENTEE BALLOT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE!
 
 
+19 # feloneouscat 2011-08-28 10:31
The alleged reasoning for the Bush Tax Cuts were that they would release money to create more jobs. The net result is that they did not do so. Continuing the Bush Tax Cuts makes no sense. If it doesn't create more jobs, then the only reason for it is to let the rich get richer.
 
 
+8 # pbbrodie 2011-08-28 11:22
Where in the world are you getting your figures? What you wrote does not make any sense at all and does not agree with the facts. How will doing away with the tax cuts for the wealthy add taxpayers to the dole, as you put it. I don't really even know what you mean by that. The dole usually means taking out from the system, not putting in. If you are trying to say it will add more taxpayers from the lower end of wage earners, that's simply absurd.
 
 
+1 # chick 2011-08-29 09:01
prrrdie Doing away with Bush's tax will give more money to the government to be able to fund more things like School, teachers etc. Perhaps even create jobs.

It will not add more taxpayers from the bottom but from the top.
The bottom will still be paying what they are paying now not more.
 
 
-50 # Shawn E Carter 2011-08-28 03:38
Let Buffet give billions more to the gov't if he wants. no one will stop him. If he thinks it is such a fine, great and glorious thng to do, let him. Betcha he won't because it is just more leftwing rhetoric.
 
 
+21 # Lurch 2011-08-28 07:09
Unless the Koch brothers join him, your comment has no merit.
 
 
-55 # Shawn E Carter 2011-08-28 03:43
And PULEASE!! The left using Stewart as a "journalist". His "dismantling" makes as much sense as a laundry detergent claiming it hit a stain so hard it knocked it back in time. To make it easy for most of you here is his argument in truthful terms . . . An employee at a company in a town near where you live received a raise of $7000/year. That coincides EXACTLY with the $7000/year raise I would have gotten if that employee wouldn't have received that raise. Makes no sense at all, but a lot of you folks are buying it. C'mon folks, use the minds God gave you. Don't just fall for this tripe that this administration is forcing on you.
 
 
+31 # ABen 2011-08-28 07:01
Carter; perhaps you should re-examine the concepts of logical progression and analogous relationships.
 
 
+14 # jon 2011-08-28 11:58
"Don't just fall for this tripe that this administration is forcing on you."

That's right, fall for the 'tripe' the fascists are forcing on you.
 
 
+14 # davidhp 2011-08-28 04:17
Buffett may say to tax the rich more, but then he invests 5 billion in Bank of America - this shows his true side - corporate profits from on of the banks deeply involved in this recession.

The republicans and democrats are equally to blame for letting the corporate ruling class to get away with pocketing obscene profits off the backs of the poor and working class.

Politicians of the two corporately sponsored political parties are not going to be the ones to deliver relief to the working class - time to look elsewhere for relief.
 
 
+12 # MIKE K 2011-08-28 08:20
You have a point, but still at least Buffet is willing to call for high taxes on people like him.
 
 
+15 # genierae 2011-08-28 08:43
According to the NY Times, Warren Buffett declared in 2006 that he will be giving away 85% of his fortune, 37.4 billion, to good causes. It will go mostly to the Gates Foundation. This man knows very well that sharing is the only answer to the horrific problems that we face in this world. Most people who are as wealthy as he is, are deaf, dumb and blind to the worsening conditions all over the planet. The sad thing is that many of them are "Christians" who talk a lot about Jesus but wouldn't allow him in their house if he came back today.
 
 
+23 # Barbara K 2011-08-28 05:09
So now those idiots want to soak the poor? How? They are already broke, many have no income at all. The Rs have to know that. The poor and middle class have nothing left to give. Get it from the Wealthy, likely made rich by putting the poor and middle out of work by shipping out their jobs. The millionaires got rich off us and this country. They owe more than the rest of us, we didn't become millionaires.
 
 
+5 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-08-28 18:09
Quoting Barbara K:
So now those idiots want to soak the poor? How? They are already broke, many have no income at all. The Rs have to know that. The poor and middle class have nothing left to give. Get it from the Wealthy, likely made rich by putting the poor and middle out of work by shipping out their jobs. The millionaires got rich off us and this country. They owe more than the rest of us, we didn't become millionaires.


Barbara, this just a continuation of the "4R" (Ronald Reagan's Reverse Robin Hood) economic policies that still haunt our nation's financial well-being. The amazing thing, to me anyway, is that the VICTIMS of these practices continue to enable those who shamelessly brutalize them. SOOOO Un-American! The rethugs, kochs, cheney, rumsfeld, and the like all HATE our nation. That is why they are HELL-BENT on DESTROYING it through their GREED and LAWLESSNESS!
 
 
+18 # oakes721 2011-08-28 06:11
Had minimum wages kept up with the cost of living since 1960 it would now be about $75 an hour, which figures out to be how much of that earned income has been diverted from wage-earner's paycheck into CEO's bank accounts instead.
"We MADE you (poor) and we can BREAK you!"
 
 
+11 # Al Black 2011-08-28 06:28
I wake up at night fantasizing that I am going to buy my first gun and go on an elephant hunting safari.
 
 
-35 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 06:34
All of you are reacting to outcomes of a fundamental failure in most of today's societies the world over. None of you are addressing the root cause. In our local paper this morning a letter-to-the-e ditor laid the cause out succinctly. The letter quoted another article by Peggy Noonan of The Wall Street Journal who referenced a comment by Max Hastings who was addressing activities in England. "The depressing truth is that at the bottom of our society is a layer of young people with no skills, education,value s or aspiratiolns... nobody has ever suggested to them that they need feel any allegiance to anything. ..."

The primary reason for this dilema is the destruction of the nuclear family. Some parents are failing to give a value system to thier children that helps them help themselves. In the end we begin looking to the state to provide. The failure of the USSR should give the obvious result of that fix. We are seeing the results of that fix in Europe. Coupled with the family deteriation is the lack of faith in God. I see a lot of that lack in what I read in this blog.

This will piss a lot of you off, I know. I hope so. Maybe you'll do some basic thinking of the values of what a human family is all about.
 
 
+23 # propsguy 2011-08-28 08:33
sure, let's talk about the importance of strong family values and then undermine them at every turn with policies that keep parents working 3 jobs so they can't spend any time at all on their families.

have you ever been to europe? or are you o e of those fat. self serving ignorant americans who swears up and down that this is the best country in the world on the basis of watching a few too many john wayne movies.

in europe, people are healthier, thinner, more educate and cultured. they eat good, real food, they speak several languages. they are physically affectionate with their children.

they do not spend every waking minute worried about paying their medical insurance or their kid's college.

perhaps before you go mouthing off about what's wrong with europe, you might want to get a passport and go visit. but of course, you can't afford to. you're to busy transferring your earnings to the wealthy
 
 
-12 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 11:53
Half my working life was off shore. Denmark, Turkey, Russia, Bosnia just to name a few. You get a different view of the world when you get work with the local people. Makes you less tolerant of the elitist academics in this country who don't know which end the shovel is the business end.
 
 
+10 # billy bob 2011-08-28 13:56
That's funny because, as a person from a working class background I feel exactly the same about you.
 
 
-13 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 14:35
It becomes a function of wether you worked or not. I suspect not. Your response suggests you have no concept of what work entails.
 
 
-15 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 14:44
My guess is that your parents worked hard to, among other things, get you educated. If I were you I'd go back to your parents and apologize go them for not paying attention in class, or too much attention to the socialist instructor.
 
 
+12 # billy bob 2011-08-28 16:19
I put myself through college while working in the meat packing industry. My parents were unable to help because they were elderly and relying on what little they got from Social Security.

I think it's great that you don't need your Social Security money. You shouldn't get any.

Never make assumptions about people you've never met. In this case you made yourself look like an ass and couldn't have been further from the truth.

Nice try though.
 
 
+2 # feloneouscat 2011-08-30 04:40
Quoting Joeconserve:
Half my working life was off shore. Denmark, Turkey, Russia, Bosnia just to name a few. You get a different view of the world when you get work with the local people. Makes you less tolerant of the elitist academics in this country who don't know which end the shovel is the business end.


So what Joe is saying is that it is FAR better to make the poor far more poor than to be a minor inconvenience to the rich - this is based on his vast experiece working off-shore... Let remind people again, off-shore USUALLY means you live on the oil rig and occasionally go on-shore. NOT the other way around.
 
 
+12 # feloneouscat 2011-08-28 10:50
Sure. And while we are at it Rock and Roll is destroying our youth.

Nuclear families in USSR/Russia: read this from the Rand Organization: http://www.rand.org/pubs/conf_proceedings/CF124/CF124.chap1.html - Nuclear families are stronger there than they were in the United States.

As for religion, 83% of Americans say they belong to a religious denomination. Your gut reactions do not seem to compare with facts.

Finally, Peggy Noonan is an idiot. Who was it that made college less affordable? Who was it that made it more difficult to get a higher education? Who was it that believed the rich should get richer and the poor should get poorer?

Republicans and Conservatives have always held that if you have the money, then you can get a higher education. But they'll be damned if they allow the Government to provide any assistance. She is saying, without saying, that these are the results of the conservative movement.
 
 
+12 # pbbrodie 2011-08-28 11:48
Joe, go stick that load of tripe in your ear. It doesn't require a "faith in god" to be a decent human being and having your "faith in god" doesn't make you a decent human being. Just take a look at all of the so-called Christians in this country who have way more interest in the "end times" than the Sermon on the Mount, if they have any interest at all in the Sermon on the Mount.
The real depressing truth is there has always been "at the bottom of our society is a layer of young people with no skills, education,value s or aspiratiolns... nobody has ever suggested to them that they need feel any allegiance to anything. ..."
This isn't due to the failure of parents trying to do this, it is the failure of our society to make it possible for parents to have the time to instruct their children, because, when they have to work at multiple jobs just to try to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads, they simply don't have any time left to spend with their children to instruct them about anything! So, maybe you will take a long hard look at why the nuclear family is disintegrating and put the blame right where it belongs, with the wealthy who have crushed and are crushing the middle class. While you are at it, get off of your high horse and learn something about other countries before you start passing judgement on them.
 
 
-16 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 13:41
I suggest you read ClarenceThomas' book.
 
 
+8 # Johnny 2011-08-28 19:02
No Thanks!! nd TEABAGGING wife are nothing but thieves!!!
 
 
+2 # ABen 2011-08-29 16:39
No thanks! I read only good books!
 
 
-20 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 14:09
Having spent time in other countries with people at the local level I can safely say I know more about what's going over there than you might imagine. I dare say you know nothing at the level of which I do.
 
 
-15 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 16:06
If I may remind you, individuals make up a society not the other way around. If you cannot bring God into the conversation we cannot comunicate. We will speak at two different levels and thus fail. Without God we are nothing more than animals who just need to survive biologically.
 
 
+6 # ABen 2011-08-29 17:04
Joe; yours is an old and very tired argument. To paraphrase, you claim that a society which includes social welfare programs is destroying the nuclear family structure and off-offhandedly link this with a lack of faith in God. You also point to European society as an example of what dire fate awaits the U.S. I would point out that society as a construct evolved as a way to promote the safety and welfare of the people in that society. I also have traveled extensively in Europe and listened, perhaps with a mind more open than yours, to what the people say. The vast majority of people have strong feelings of faith, just not the same one, but what they generally have little faith in is Religion. Having come through the extended nightmare of the Dark Ages and two Inquisitions, this is understandable. Perhaps your obvious anger and dismissal of ideas that differ from yours stems from your inability to get the factual world to conform to your simplistic right-wing narrative. If as you assert, "individuals make up a society," then why are you treating "society" as some kind of sinister plot? Maybe it is people different from you that you fear?
 
 
+12 # jon 2011-08-28 12:25
"Coupled with the family deteriation is the lack of faith in God"

I would like to remind you that Jesus is and always has been a liberal.

The first time He was aware that He was a liberal, was when He turned over the tables of the money-changers in the Temple, it just happens that "liberal" was what the admonished money-changers called Him.
 
 
0 # Ronald Antti 2011-08-28 21:38
I think them trying to take God of Ameerica is a big mistake our country use to be a lot better with faith in God and there is to much Greed in this country. The Politions dont want to pay their share or cut any of there pay or benefits
 
 
+25 # parityfanatic 2011-08-28 06:54
Don't forget the Repugs ignore the payroll taxes the poor pay. The Repugs want to raise the Normal retirement age to 70 under Social Secutity.
You never see a Repug introduce a bill to raise the Payroll tax maximum above $106,800.
Have ALL payroll subject to payroll taxes
and Social Security long-term funding is solved.
Sen. Sanders (I-VT) has a bill in Senate to accomplish this. That bill WILL wind up in the toilet.
Repugs in Congress should be flushed you know where in 2012.
 
 
+28 # fredboy 2011-08-28 07:19
This is no surprise. The poor clean their floors, watch their kids, fight their wars, and worked their slavelands.
Of course the danger, as history points out, is the poor very often are pushed to the brink, resulting in the likes of the French Revolution.
 
 
+17 # Progressive Texas Democrat 2011-08-28 07:49
Taxing the poor must be the lesson Republicans took away from Jesus's Parable of the widow's mite. They just want to open the gates of heaven to the poor.

As for "job creators"? The whole "jobs creators" thing was created by people who for the most part want to insist unemployed workers receiving state and federal benefits be drug tested. I say fine. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. As soon as you produce and document a certain number of living wage jobs within the boarders of the continental United Sates you get a tax break Mr. "Job Creator". Until then I think we should tax living benefits for the workers whose jobs you sent overseas right out of you. Don't like it? Set up shop in that Ayn Rand/libertaria n paradise Somalia, you'll love their free markets!
 
 
+18 # reiverpacific 2011-08-28 08:09
Not a word here about small business, which used to be the backbone of any aspiring democracy worth a shit -US or European or anywhere else, as incentive was there, a certain amount of freedom was possible, decent employment for non-entrepreneu rs was plentiful and bred loyalty.
Now all is owned and labor exported by Big-Brother Business which claims to hate, but actually owns, Big-Brother Government.
Now, I welcome SERIOUSLY-PUT AND RESEARCHED opposing points of view from the few rightist-inclin ed posters on RSN.
But to "Joeconserve", The bandying about of "family values" is a contradiction in current terms (Politicians use it all the time).
When it takes two adults working long hours to barely scrape by at jobs they hate and have no productive end, in sterile environments, commuting long distances and arriving home exhausted to their "latchkey" brood, who are, if they can afford one or the other, locked in daze in front of commercial, content-free TV or one of the ever-violent electronic war-games, how the Hell do you expect "Traditional" nuclear families to even exist, let alone flourish?
It has nothing to do with faith when the only allegiance any of the poor bastards have left is to the corporation who employs them as dispensable drones, and as they see their neighbor's jobs being shipped overseas?
Feel trapped yet? -You will soon!
 
 
-26 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 08:46
Living in a one room log cabin as a young child in Montana along with my four siblings and ending up comfortably retired without ever being on the dole tells me that I did things right. Your reference to "family values" tells me you haven't a clue what that means. Faith either.
 
 
+17 # pbbrodie 2011-08-28 12:06
All that tells me is that you were lucky and must have had decent parents, nothing more. You remind me of all the people who think there's some thing wrong with people who get sick, just because they were fortunate enough not to have it happen to them. I was extremely successful and made a tremendous amount of money, when I was healthy, but a life-long fight with insulin dependent Type I diabetes took its toll and destroyed me financially, due to our fabulous health care system that costs us twice what it does in Europe. So, I required assistance, after that, or as you put it, went on the dole. Does this make me a bad person in your eyes? Did I do something wrong? Are you trying to say that "faith in god" would have made things different? I came from a wonderful and very large family of 10 children. Why didn't this fabulous nuclear family save me? I still got sick.
You are a truly sad person and very misguided. Like nearly every Republican I know, and don't bother denying what you obviously are, you think you are righteous and deserve everything you got and the rest of us are nothing but a bunch of ne'er do wells with our hands held out. You make me sick.
 
 
-11 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 15:22
You used the system as it existed which is what you should do. I deserve nothing. I must work for what I want. And, I did. I was not lucky. My parents instilled the work ethic in me. My father did not finish high school but ended up being offered the responsibility of electrical maintenance for a major railroad. It happened because of his work ethic. He and I used to repair houses. He had tough standards that I had to adhere to. Incidentally, I'm not a republican.
 
 
+5 # Unca Mikey 2011-08-29 22:06
How can you be from Montana and the child of a union RR electrician and spout such drivel?
You were given all the advantages and learned nothing? No compassion, no common sense? People are starving in the richest, luckiest country on the planet due to corporate and individual GREED.
As a native Montanan, and a military retiree, I'm embarrassed by your remarks.
 
 
-7 # Joeconserve 2011-08-28 15:29
Of all the persons who have commented on this article you are the only one who has spoken from the heart.
 
 
+10 # jon 2011-08-28 15:12
"retired without ever being on the dole tells me that I did things right"

Remember, there, except for the "Grace of God" goes yourself.

And, Joe, go back and reread the Beatitudes, particularly the one about "the meek shall inherit the Earth", and seriously reconsider your pridefulness. It does not become a person who expects to meet his Maker some day.
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2011-08-28 21:43
Quoting Joeconserve:
Living in a one room log cabin as a young child in Montana along with my four siblings and ending up comfortably retired without ever being on the dole tells me that I did things right. Your reference to "family values" tells me you haven't a clue what that means. Faith either.

It was you who made the family and God reference mate but as usual, you and your ilk make your own circumstances into what "should be" typical as applied with a broad brush in a narrow context and are utterly lacking in vision beyond your own tunnel vision. I have prospered as an entrepreneur, failed and prospered again, and am in a valley from which the means to fight my way out seems to have been removed. have fought the fight with all my might and -And I grew up in post WW11 Scotland in similarly humble circumstances but always with a community spirit and a sense of humor.
So don't assume I know nothing, including the ability to love deeply and raise a family with what I hope are progressive and inclusive values. -I've lived all over the world, worked with passion and shared generously when I was in good shape and yes, I intend to get out of here before the Fragmented states is left in the hands of the likes of you and your God-bothering comrades -but when it's my idea. End of comments to your brick wall of a mind (my assumption).
 
 
+15 # humanmancalvin 2011-08-28 09:28
This misguided right wing insanity must come to an end. These brilliant propagandists have turned poor/middle class citizens against one another in their fight to control ALL of the money in this country. I am nothing short of amazed when I see elderly Tea Baggers screaming support for these thieves of the Baggers very own pockets. Time to wake up & smell the rat American citizens.
 
 
+7 # Isar 2011-08-28 09:30
All we have to do is stop BUYING whatever it is the corporations are selling!!! If it isn't made in the USA, we'll just DO WITHOUT IT! That means clothes, shoes, kitchen gadgets, furniture, and yes, even FOOD....Once the Corporations recognize that we WILL NOT buy their Foreign Made product, they might think about moving their companies back to the good ole US of A. However, THEN...if that happens, we must be willing to pay a higher price for the goods. Instead of a $17.00 dollar shirt, we'll have to pay $45.00. ...but ya know what...we all have too many shirts anyway!!! We can do with less goods...and if we buy only American goods....we'll put more people back to work. However---it's an uphill battle, and the big Corps know that. They know we like cheap goods, cheap gas, and cheap food. That's what made Walmart so successful. (and try to find anything in Walmart that is made in the USA). However, I like Walmart. They are tuned in to the American public. IF we tell them we want USA products, they will stock them. They don't want to be left with all that China/Japan/Tha iland stuff on their shelves. Ya know...WE CAN DO THIS. We can also lower the price of gas by agreeing to NOT BUY GAS on Tuesday...or whatever. One day of "no buy gas" per week would certainly change the oil companies delivery policy. So can't we all get along? Can't we all agree together?
 
 
+10 # jon 2011-08-28 15:15
I modestly propose that we ALL move our banking from commercial interests to a LOCAL credit union.

This is easy and will start a power-shift rolling.
 
 
+10 # jon 2011-08-28 15:17
Do NOT shop at Walmart.

This is a no brainer !!
 
 
+4 # Connor 2011-08-29 08:33
@jon- I couldn't agree with you more- I came to this conclusion myself 10 years ago, I have kept my money in a Credit Union ever since, and have only stepped foot in a Walmart twice as a customer in that time, because they have made it impossible to buy certain items anywhere else in my hometown. I have a very simple philosophy- I do not use credit; if I can't save up the money to buy something, I simply do without- I would urge all Americans to do likewise...
 
 
+2 # Terry 2011-08-30 07:55
I most definetly concur with your keeping money in a Credit Union and save until you can afford to buy with cash, not credit.
If we all did that, just think what we could achieve.
 
 
+11 # Jane Gilgun 2011-08-28 09:36
Callous persons control American government. They don't even want a get out the vote campaign. Evil flourishes when good people do nothing.
 
 
+13 # Michele Martinez 2011-08-28 09:43
Reading a lot these comments represents much of the problems our country is having. While placing blame and being insulting about why We the regular people have been unable to fix it, it does not really translate to anything practical that we can do to help to resolve some of the problems our country is now facing. I am a "middle class" person struggling to make ends meet, to put food on my table and still take an active role to stand up and fight for what I believe. I work for a non corporate giant and after 9 years, they are doing the exact same things the uber rich are doing to our country. In order to maintain their lifestyles and 6 figure salaries, they make excuses to cut our pay to barely above unemployment and sell us that we are not worthy of even that, but should be on our knees thanking them for having a job. I have worked since I was 13 years old and was sold the belief that hard work and perseverance would allow me a life of at least modest means and I did believe it until now. As much as I would like to believe simply participating in elections and making conscious decisions about our officials is enough, I know it is not. It is time for us regular people to start taking to the streets and causing an uproar. It is time to stop waiting for someone else to speak for us, we have to start speaking for ourselves, we have to advocate for ourselves.
 
 
+3 # rbullets4u 2011-08-28 10:19
Faith has nothing to do with nothing except fairy tales spread by brainwashing techniques by evangelists in the later part of the 19th century and on .. Believe in Horus - the very first of all the "Christs " - many followed Him in the Middle East , including the Mythical Jesus ! Luck is more the norm than "Divine Guidance "
 
 
+7 # Architect 2011-08-28 17:34
I wish you would cast your eyes back to the photograph at the head of this article. Look at them. Isn't it a fine thing to alleviate the suffering you see? Isn't that what it should all be about? Because if it is all about the many points of view expressed here, we are simply lost in a rhetorical forest without compassion. Most already know in their hearts what is right. Stop arguing with those who do not. Put your energies into causes that will redress the inequities you see.
 
 
+13 # Gootarama 2011-08-28 17:56
I've got a great idea...... all the folks who didn't like paying taxes, hated corporate regulations and personal restrictions, who liked carrying guns everywhere with impunity and favored imposing themselves onto the less fortunate; could go to their own personal Nirvana. Such a place already exists, it's called Somalia and there are lots of us who'd pony up for their one way fare to Mogadishu.
 
 
+7 # jon 2011-08-28 19:54
HA!

Exactly right! Anybody who wants true "freedom" will love it in Somalia.

(are you listening tea-baggers?)
 
 
+2 # billy bob 2011-08-29 06:49
If you don't mind, I plan to quote you on another RSN thread about ron paul.

Thanks for putting it PERFECTLY.
 
 
+4 # Ronald Antti 2011-08-28 21:29
I think the rich should pay thier share of the taxes to get this country back they sent a lot of the jobs to other Countries.
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2011-08-29 08:18
Quoting Gootarama:
I've got a great idea...... all the folks who didn't like paying taxes, hated corporate regulations and personal restrictions, who liked carrying guns everywhere with impunity and favored imposing themselves onto the less fortunate; could go to their own personal Nirvana. Such a place already exists, it's called Somalia and there are lots of us who'd pony up for their one way fare to Mogadishu.

Or Texas! It's closer, we could watch from the sidelines and place bets on the results (a new "Blood sport" methinks). And it's already well down that road anyway.
My apologies to the decent Texans who -for reasons which escape me, still chose, or chose, to live in that felonious state, like Jim Hightower, Willie Nelson, the late Molly Ivins, Ann Richards, Jack Teagarden and Bob Wills to name but a few.
 
 
+4 # Kayjay 2011-08-29 13:29
Have you all heard the news that Rick Steves, the PBS travel guru, donated $1 million to local arts organizations in Seattle. Where did he get that change? He admits the dough came from tax breaks he has enjoyed past 8 years. Not all wealthy are intent on soaking the poor.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2011-08-29 19:36
Well, his stuff's all on NPR or PBS, innit?! They are -in spite of their recent whining about being cut off from federal funding- well-financed through "Grants" (their word for commercials, including big oil and finance, insurance and so on) from the same big corporations who blatantly batter your consciousness daily and nightly with commercially-la ced infotainment and own the major news trash networks and channels.
Public broadcasting, my ol' kilted arse (ass)!
 
 
+2 # karester 2011-08-29 23:16
The GOTP are a bunch of bullies, especially the TP. I'm sick of them and their fear tactics. They pit the lower and middle classes against each other and use peer pressure in the name of God to herd the sheeple.

Great article, Carl!
 
 
+1 # Terry 2011-08-30 07:30
Since the FILTHY RICK don't have to pay taxes, then I, who definitely is not in the rich bracket, should not have to pay taxes either. Why should I support those A-holes who do nothing but take! take! take! I say we boycott the tax laws and refuse to pay another cent. If we don't subscribe to the with holding tactic, then we can refuse to pay. It's only fair. The Republicans are willing to let the country go down the drain and we with it. Where did those people come from?
 
 
+3 # Dave DeGeorge 2011-08-30 12:54
The Republicans strategically planned to isolate themselves from the right wing wackos by organizing the so called Tea Party movement. However, they are all Republicans, nevertheless, and dead set to replace government "By the people." with a corporate version, run by the wealthy elite, and minimize the vast majority of America's working class to peasantry. More than fifty percent of the hard working middle class pay no taxes, because they do not make enough to meet the requirement, and they would like this to reach 95 percent or higher in the next few years.
 

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