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Reich writes: "Republicans claim the rich are job creators. Nothing could be further from the truth."

Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)
Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)



It's Inequality, Stupid

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

31 August 12

 

he most troubling economic trend facing America this Labor Day weekend is the increasing concentration of income, wealth, and political power at the very top - among a handful of extraordinarily wealthy people - and the steady decline of the great American middle class.

Inequality in America is at record levels. The 400 richest Americans now have more wealth than the bottom 150 million of us put together.

Republicans claim the rich are job creators. Nothing could be further from the truth. In order to create jobs, businesses need customers. But the rich spend only a small fraction of what they earn. They park most of it wherever around the world they can get the highest return.

The real job creators are the vast middle class, whose spending drives the economy and creates jobs.

But as the middle class's share of total income continues to drop, it cannot spend as much as before. Nor can most Americans borrow as they did before the crash of 2008 - borrowing that temporarily masked their declining purchasing power.

As a result, businesses are reluctant to hire. This is the main reason why the recovery has been so anemic.

As wealth and income rise to the top, moreover, so does political power. The rich are able to entrench themselves by lowering their taxes, gaining special tax breaks (such as the "carried interest" loophole allowing private equity and hedge fund managers to treat their incomes as capital gains), and ensuring a steady flow of corporate welfare to their businesses (special breaks for oil and gas, big agriculture, big insurance, Big Pharma, and, of course, Wall Street).

All of this squeezes public budgets, corrupts government, and undermines our democracy. The issue isn't the size of our government; it's who our government is for. It has become less responsive to the needs of most citizens and more to the demands of a comparative few.

The Republican response - as we saw dramatically articulated this past week in Tampa - is to further reduce taxes on the rich, defund programs for the poor, fight unions, allow the median wage to continue to fall, and oppose any limits on campaign contributions or spending.

It does not take a great deal of brainpower to understand this strategy will lead to an even more lopsided economy, more entrenched wealth, and more corrupt democracy.

The question of the moment is whether next week President Obama will make a bold and powerful rejoinder. If he and the Democratic Party stand for anything, it must be to reverse this disastrous trend.



Robert B. Reich, Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration. Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century. He has written thirteen books, including the best sellers "Aftershock" and "The Work of Nations." His latest is an e-book, "Beyond Outrage." He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause.

 

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+66 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-31 10:56
This point has been made numerous times by Robert Reich, other RSN pundits, and of course by the commenting public. My challenge is to the dissenters; you know who you are. I am a fairly open minded person since as I have pointed out previously, I am a double Libra. And because of that I will bend over backwards (ouch!) to be fair.
How will decreasing taxes on the wealthy actually create jobs? Lets use Joe's Pizza House as the example of a small business. If Joe pays less in taxes, why will he hire another pizza maker? And for the fans of large corporations, we have Jane's Pizza Mansions, a large chain. Why will Jane (the CEO) hire more pizza bakers if her corporate taxes are less.
Convince me that Robert Reich, and the entire Progressive movement is wrong.
 
 
+35 # robniel 2012-08-31 13:26
If someone tries to convince you it will be based on lies.
 
 
+34 # mdhome 2012-08-31 13:37
It can't be done. Robert Reich is right. Joe is in the lower part of income tax, so everyone getting more pocket money will buy more pizzas If the tax breaks go to the ultra rich (Jane) and nothing for the crowd with Joes kind of income,they have no extra income to buy pizzas or other stuff. Yes it takes money to start a business, but unless the majority have disposable income to buy stuff, that business will fail, only by having a strong middle class will the economy boom. Look to those economies that have all the wealth in a handful and most people are dirt poor, try to find a good business there.
 
 
+18 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-31 18:36
If someone does, they will be the very first. How people can continue to believe in these myths that cannot even be supported with a plausible story is beyond me.
 
 
-30 # edge 2012-09-01 00:42
OK, if you are really open I'll explain.

Joe wants more money so the more profitable the pizza business is the more pizza places Joe will open and that requires more workers.

On the other hand, if the Government takes more from his business then Joe will decide that he can end up with more money by starting a different business, perhaps in China!

Now much of the problem IS Government!
The Federal reserve has a dual mandate and one is to prevent Inflation from getting too high...not zero, but too high!!

The Fed DOES NOT think that Joe making a hundred million per year to be inflationary, but the Fed DOES think that all of Joe's employees getting a dollar an hour raise to be inflationary.

When the Fed raises Interest Rates it is to slow the rate of inflation MEANING: wage earners are getting the upper hand as far as wages are concerned and they don't want that!

But you and Reich likes a big Government, so don't complain when you don't get raises.

Oh, Joe does not care how much YOU make as long as he is constantly making MORE, it IS the Fed that wants to prevent you from making the big money as that is inflation!
 
 
+16 # AMLLLLL 2012-09-01 07:44
If your Joe has fewer customers, he's unlikely to open another shop. Demand is why Joe would open another shop.
 
 
+2 # BradFromSalem 2012-09-03 17:37
Inflation is another issue, so why are you muddying your case with inflation.

The government did not take any business from Joe and once he invests some of his profits towards opening a new pizza house, the tax burden will decrease. Because profit rolled into investment can be deducted.

Sorry, try again. You are not even close to convincing me.

Thanks, for playing!
 
 
+77 # LeeBlack 2012-08-31 11:00
Those at the top create jobs when they buy a new Mercedes or a 3rd vacation home but that isn't enough - we need investment in infrastructure, renewable energy and education. That would create jobs for the many. The cut,cut,cut of the Republicans only reduces those investments that might let us recover.
 
 
+43 # jlohman 2012-08-31 12:12
Yea, but remember, all three that you mention are taxpayer funded. We MUST stop the giveaway of taxpayer funds, especially defense spending and tax breaks, all of which are funded by the 99%.
 
 
-85 # jtatu 2012-08-31 12:54
jlohman, how do you figure these are funded by the 99%. The 99% includes the 50% who aren't paying for anything.
 
 
+41 # Working Class 2012-08-31 13:49
Quoting jtatu:
jlohman, how do you figure these are funded by the 99%. The 99% includes the 50% who aren't paying for anything.

How do you figure the 50% isn't paying for anything? True, if a person is so poor, or has such a low paying job, that they don't need to pay income taxes, they still pay taxes. Ever hear about sales taxes, property taxes....?
 
 
-66 # jtatu 2012-08-31 14:13
Here are some objective facts. The U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Currently the top 1% pays 40% of all income taxes with the top rate being 35%. In the 1970's when the top rate was 70% the top 1% paid 19% of all income taxes. Government jobs pay substantially more than comparable jobs in the private sector. Inequality indeed.
 
 
+46 # JCM 2012-08-31 14:48
The richest corporations pay nearly nothing in federal taxes. Taxes on unearned or invested money (capital gains tax) pay 15%. The top might pay 40% of Federal income taxes but they have far more than 40% of the wealth and income. Lastly, when government jobs are compared with private sector jobs of equal skill and education the government pays less. If all you listen to is Fox News you will never know the truth.
 
 
-44 # jtatu 2012-08-31 15:50
I do listen to Fox News and it is biased. I also listen to NBC, CBS, and ABC, which are also biased, and I read The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal all of which do not change the facts. Here are some more facts. The top 1% which pays the 40% earns 20% of the income. The top 10% pays a whopping 70% and earns 40% of the income. I know these are facts that the entitled victims don't like to hear, but as someone said, "facts are stubborn things.
 
 
+29 # BlueReview 2012-08-31 17:13
Quoting from ThinkProgress: "Once all taxes are taken into account, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the richest one percent of Americans pay about 28 percent of total federal taxes, which is right in line with their 25 percent share of total income. And therein lies the real story: the richest one percent of Americans pay such a large share of federal income taxes because they make such a large share of the overall income . . . Income inequality in the U.S. is currently the worst its been since the 1920s. Just the richest 400 Americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50 percent of Americans combined, and the richest 10 percent of Americans control two-thirds of the country’s net worth."

According to the CBO: 400 people hold more wealth than the bottom 50%.

According to the CBO: The richest 10% control two-thirds of the country's net worth.

As you say, however, "these are facts that the entitled victims don't like to hear."
 
 
-39 # jtatu 2012-08-31 17:26
It is a serious problem that 400 people hold more wealth than the bottom 50%. The problem however is the bottom 50% which we have already noted pay 0 income tax. A lot of these people have grown up in a society that has taught that they have a right to be supported by the government or somebody else.
 
 
+24 # BlueReview 2012-09-01 01:53
"No" taxes? Sales taxes. On everything you buy, with most exceptions going for groceries.

From abcnews.com, this fact check: "But federal income taxes are just a small part of the overall tax picture. There are still property taxes, state income taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes and excise taxes, just to name a few.
To actually pay zero taxes, someone would have to be unemployed, not own any property, live in Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire or Oregon, where there is no sales tax, and not buy anything that has an excise tax, such as alcohol, cigarettes or gasoline."

And many corporations, like GE, paid no taxes last year--while raking in record profits.
 
 
+4 # Ray Kondrasuk 2012-09-03 12:57
50% of the population pays no income tax; that's likely correct because they'd have to have taxable income. Unless congress enacts a tooth fairy tax, a quarter of our population is too young to have much income.

under age 5...... 6.9% of the 2010 population
5 to 9 6.6%
10 to 14 6.8%
15 to 19 7.1%
20 to 24 7.0%

Or, in composite:

26.4% age 19 or under

24.6 % age 17 or under

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/STTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-qr_name=ACS_2009_5YR_G00_S0101&-ds_name=ACS_2009_5YR_G00_
 
 
-22 # jtatu 2012-08-31 17:28
PS
All taxes? That would include sales taxes paid by persons with only government income. A fast growing group.
 
 
+26 # JCM 2012-08-31 18:12
“Data from the Tax Foundation bears this out. Between 1987 and 2008, the share of income controlled by the top 1% grew to 20% from 12%. That signals a total share growth of 67%. During the same period, their share of taxes went to 28% from 24%, suggesting share growth of 17%.
In other words, the top 1% share of income grew nearly five times faster than their share of taxes.” http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/09/26/why-the-rich-pay-40-of-taxes/

And more importantly, that money is not being used productively like buying goods and services that would put it back into society but is being hoarded into offshore accounts. Estimates go as high as 32 trillion dollars mostly from American investors. Our country is in crisis. After WW2 we raised taxes on the wealthiest to restore our economy and our country prospered including the wealthiest. We need to reestablish those rates now to strengthen our nation and if you create jobs give big tax breaks.
 
 
+26 # Independentgal 2012-08-31 15:50
Your last sentence says it all! And you might want to add Limbaugh to that. And it's absolutely a lie that government jobs pay substantially more than comparable jobs in the private sector.
 
 
+23 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-31 15:17
jtatu,
When we talk about tax rates, we have to remember that a tax rate is the rate on the books, it is not the actual amount that a corporation actually pays in hard actually cash. If a corporate giant like GM actually paid 35% of their income to the nations coffers we would be much better off. When it turns out that GM actually pays NO corporate income tax in a particular year, the whole argument of tax rate fairness falls right off the cliff, into myth of trickle-down economics.
To quote you:

"The U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world."

What does that actually mean?

From the viewpoint of objectivity, we have to ask the following questions:

How do we compare with the 'developed world,' if we want to consider ourselves as part of the 'developed world,' when it comes to things like infant mortality, poverty levels, literacy; prison population, health insurance systems, infrastructure conditions, murder by gunfire, voter turnout, high school graduation, single parent households: am I leaving anything out? I'm sure I am!

Objectively, we are not as 'developed' as we would like to believe. We are overdeveloped in some area, and underdeveloped in many more areas.

Common sense has completely, just like Elvis Presley, left the premises.
 
 
-34 # jtatu 2012-08-31 17:16
I totally agree with you about how we compare with the "developed world." Your list happens to be the same as mine. We probably disagree on the cause. I think it starts with Johnson's Great Society Programs which at this point have produced an entitled class of dependents who see themselves as victims of the wealthy. And this president has nothing to offer except to say whether you work hard, stay in school, start a successful business and get married before having babies doesn't matter. The people who did that don't deserve any thing for it.
 
 
+17 # jlohman 2012-08-31 15:55
You should also realize that we are at a 30 year low in payroll taxes, corporations are sitting on the biggest pot of money ever, and $20-30 trillion is now sitting in offshore tax havens, not paying taxes and not creating jobs. How are you liking it so far?
 
 
-12 # jtatu 2012-08-31 17:05
I don't like it. Do you? You seem to.
 
 
+3 # jlohman 2012-09-01 00:03
No, check my website and you'll find out why.

Look, most R's and D's are idiots when it comes to politics. The only people that understand how it works are the 1% that fund our elections. While the voters are diverted to the little fires the Fat Cats are bribing the politicians who make the rules.

Get used to it, or throw out all incumbents in November.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net
 
 
+10 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-09-01 15:14
Jtatu, who pays you to sit on your unproductive butt most of the day trying to reeducate those of us who care about people outside of their own immediate family? The wealthy are the ones who think they are entitled by their birthright or by their success at exploiting labor and resources. A lot of people eligible for public assistance don't apply out of pride. They work two or three underpaid jobs while some selfative owner lives like a king. They and their Republican lapdogs in Congress and state houses all over this country love high unemployment because it means they can, and have, beat down wages and benefits while they laugh all the way to their overseas vacation spot in their personal jet! The question is, if you are not one of these self entitled exploiters yourself, why do you obediently serve them by defending their pompous sense of entitlement? When the masses finally get enough of this the people supposedly paying 40% of all federal income taxes may find out they cannot hire enough bodyguards to avoid the treatment the czars of Russia got in 1918! If they hired more workers and paid them better and paid themselves less, the workers would pay more taxes, the 1% would pay less taxes, and the whole country would be much better off! But for some absurd reason you only want the top 1%, or maybe 2% to be better off while everyone else is steadily worse off. In all of your wisdom could you explain this for us?
 
 
-4 # jtatu 2012-09-04 17:07
I'm glad you asked. No body pays me. I am self employed. Just so you'll know, I grew up in poverty, worked my ass off through school, graduate school and got a job. I got married before having children and am still married to the same woman. I sent 2 daughters through college with no assistance from the government. I have been paying your ilk since graduating. I personally know that our system works for those who earn it. Stop whining and get to work. We need to get your advocate out of the White House.
 
 
+27 # The Ice Maiden 2012-08-31 16:17
Jtatu - You are being conned. Misled. It doesn't matter what the tax rate is; what matters is what is actually paid. Let's assume corporate tax rates are, in fact, higher in the US than anywhere else. Who cares? Despite the high rates, companies like GE paid $0 tax in certain years because of allowable credits and other tax allowances. In like manner, the rich are in the highest tax bracket, but many (like Mitt Romney) pay a lower %age than secretaries, etc, because they are entitled to all sorts of discounts/credits.

You need to THINK more, instead of simply accepting claims about complicated matters at face value.
 
 
+19 # Ellioth 2012-08-31 19:14
don't forget their payroll taxes, their cost of health care, gas tax, shall I continue? It would not surprise me if you added up the the taxes that someone earning $50,000 pays as a % of their taxes, it's a higher % than what Mitt pays as a % of his taxes. This is America today. EH
 
 
+22 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-08-31 15:07
Jtatu, they are only "not paying for anything" when the greedy rich have closed their factory to avoid paying good wages, health insurance premiums, retirement benefits, or even the required Social Security matching (which is the primary reason greedy Republicans want to kill Social Security) so they can import their product from slave wage countries, reap higher profits, and take full advantage of Bush's "equal" tax cuts! Otherwise they often are paying a higher percentage of their gross income in state income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and gasoline taxes than the greedy rich. If this trend continues there is a good chance the greedy rich will experience what the czars of Russia experienced in 1917 and 1918. Which do you think the rich would prefer, pay better wages to their workers, create more jobs here, and pay more taxes, or lose it all in a violent revolution some day in the not too distant future?
 
 
-52 # jtatu 2012-08-31 18:03
If the greedy rich own the factory, they have the right to close it. You are obviously a Communist advocating revolution and have the right to live here, but I wish you would leave this free country and go somewhere else.
 
 
+27 # BlueReview 2012-09-01 07:46
Quoting jtatu:
If the greedy rich own the factory, they have the right to close it. You are obviously a Communist advocating revolution and have the right to live here, but I wish you would leave this free country and go somewhere else.


Yes, they have the right to close the factories. But why should they then get tax breaks HERE for moving the jobs overseas?

"You are obviously a communist"--nam e-calling instead of coherent arguments don't cut it as far as I'm concerned. You haven't convinced me you're right and I'm wrong. "You have the right to live here" is a bit condescending, don't you think? And "I wish you would leave . . . and go somewhere else."--childis h. And why should WE have to leave? Speaking for myself, I was born here. And where else is there to go? Close-minded bigots are everywhere, as are tyrants. I realize that my staying and fighting for my right to exist, to be treated like a human being and paid a living wage annoys you, but I will not apologize.
 
 
+4 # pernsey 2012-09-03 16:58
He has no coherent argument BR so they reort to name calling...they think Fox News is real news...maybe they ran out of talking points so let the name calling begin LOL!
 
 
-4 # jtatu 2012-09-04 08:06
BlueReview, what is the source of your "right" to be paid "a living wage?"
Who or what gives you that "right?"
 
 
+13 # Lolanne 2012-09-01 10:09
Quoting jtatu:
If the greedy rich own the factory, they have the right to close it. You are obviously a Communist advocating revolution and have the right to live here, but I wish you would leave this free country and go somewhere else.


Oh, OK -- finally we've gotten down to it. The tactic of leveling "Communist" charges against those who disagree with you goes way back and indicates, shall we say, a certain level of intelligence. That's the nicest way I can put it.

Sad...this was a good discussion and it looked at first like you were serious about contributing to it -- guess not.
 
 
-4 # jtatu 2012-09-04 16:21
you would not call MichaelLee Bug a Communist?
 
 
+3 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-09-03 06:20
Better to be a Communist who cares about his fellow man regardless of their wealth than be a selfative and a Fascist who only cares about himself and the wealthy people he slavishly serves! And by the way, I have a farm on which I produce corn and soybeans and a tree farm to produce hardwood lumber. I also am invested in six different stock mutual funds including the Index 500 fund which benefits the selfatives who cheat their workers at every opportunity. What do you contribute besides Internet noise?
 
 
-4 # jtatu 2012-09-04 16:33
What do you mean what do I contribute? you said you have a farm. So what do you contribute? I contribute a lot actually, in cash and service to the homeless and poor in my community. More than the POTUS. What do you contribute besides internet noise? You are probably like most Obama supporters who just want the government to deal with poverty with someone else's money so you don't have to use your own to help.
 
 
0 # pernsey 2012-09-03 16:56
Quoting jtatu:
If the greedy rich own the factory, they have the right to close it. You are obviously a Communist advocating revolution and have the right to live here, but I wish you would leave this free country and go somewhere else.


When we dont buy your Fox news garbage you resort to name calling. Geee Im so convinced, now that your refered to the people here as communists LOL! NOT!!!
 
 
-1 # jtatu 2012-09-04 16:38
I do check in on Fox News from time to time. I also watch NBC, CBS, and ABC and I read the New York Times every day. Do you have anything intelligent to contribute?
 
 
-91 # perkinsej 2012-08-31 11:01
While I agree with thrust of this message, my trips to the parking lots of shopping malls makes me wonder if the middle class is really suffering all that much. And look too at the volume of toys under the Christmas trees. Ed Perkins
 
 
-38 # maddave 2012-08-31 11:45
You re right, Ed. And see how few people are starving in the streets. Some of these whiney SOB's even have cell phones, TV's and (if you can believe this) refrigerators and microwave ovens.

If they can afford all of those luxuries, I say that they can certainly afford to pay for their own kids' school lunches, too! Don't you agree?

Bah! Humbug!
 
 
+11 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-31 15:24
maddave,
You got 9 thumbs down so far. It will be 8 after I cast my vote.
Doesn't anyone understand or appreciate irony anymore.
Bah! Humbug! Indeed. Maybe these nay-sayers need a visit from those gentle ghosts of past, present and future.
 
 
-3 # maddave 2012-08-31 21:14
BeaDeeBunker: In order to be relevant --- to turn the tide here---, you need a whole lot more thumbs. Th total tops 30 now. However, as an adherent to the theory of the "creative minority", I welcome you & your comment and agree that "irony" is a better word here than "parody".
 
 
+3 # Lolanne 2012-09-01 09:47
Quoting BeaDeeBunker:
maddave,
...
Doesn't anyone understand or appreciate irony anymore.
...


Apparently not, BDB...sigh. Total thumbs down now = 39 -- ridiculous.
 
 
-1 # maddave 2012-08-31 21:05
I F*****G knew it when i hit the "send" button! RSN is NOT an exclusive venue for thinking people who know - and even understand - the meaning of the word "parody".

However, the differential between the red numbers accumulated by my target, "perkinse" and me Indicate that my efforts were not a complete waste of time! To You Few, thanks.





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+1 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-09-03 17:49
maddave, I gave you a thumbs up only after I read the following posts because, not knowing you well enough from other posts to be sure where you stood, I could not tell if you were another troll or doing satire. Maybe you should include a clarifying statement at the end of such posts?
 
 
+31 # Jim Young 2012-08-31 11:50
Toys and cars are not good investments, invest in the producers if you want to make money and be useful. Buy out the producers with somebody elses' money take their pension funds, load them with debt, while you skedaddle with the fees for "helping" them as you gild your part of a vast, and ever more shallow, shell of a hollow, gutted country, then blame the guys in the middle of the shell, as you ask them to vote for even more abuse. Yeah, that's a good plan some seem to follow. Not me, though, "fool me once."
 
 
+21 # Bob P 2012-08-31 12:22
You look for suffering in strange places.
 
 
+6 # GeeRob 2012-08-31 17:27
Best reply ever!
 
 
+104 # walthe310 2012-08-31 11:10
When I was young and naive, I believed in a lot of things like free markets, less regulation, and work hard and you'll succeed. I worked hard and I succeeded...for a while. Then I decided to follow a different path. That allowed me to view the world from a different perspective.

Freedom does not result from free markets and free market capitalism. Freedom is the product of freedom of speech and democracy, and democracy is the result neither of free markets nor of capitalism.

Miners used to use a canary in a cage to test for dangerous concentrations of gas. Like a caged canary, the health of the middle class is a test for the health of a democracy. The American middle class is disappearing, and American democracy is in danger.

Fifteen years ago, I began an intense study of American history. At one time, I believed that if you worked hard, you would be rewarded with some success. Those people who failed were to blame for their own failures. Over time, my views changed. Louis Brandeis was an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court from 1916 to 1939 and a great man. I came to embrace his dictum, you can have great concentrations of wealth or you can have democracy, but not both at the same time.

Therefore, anything that concentrates wealth in the 1% and harms the middle class is bad. Anything that decreases the concentration of wealth and helps the middle class is good for freedom and democracy.
 
 
+29 # SG691 2012-08-31 13:19
.Freedom does not result from free markets and free market capitalism. Freedom is the product of freedom of speech and democracy, and democracy is the result neither of free markets nor of capitalism.

Just a detail comment: Freedom includes what you said plus the right to own property and an effective judicial system. I thinks it is reasonable to say that unbalanced wealth leads to writing of unbalanced laws and unfair judiciary.
 
 
+33 # rsnJoe 2012-08-31 13:22
An excellent and simple formula (concentrated wealth and democracy being inversely proportional) but the intensely rich (like the Brothers Koch) do not want democracy. Democracy is not in their DNA. They have the gold to make the rules and they are legally at war with the middle class (and planet earth) in order to increase their power.

We are intelligent people. There must be some way to legally siphon these people down to a manageable size without widespread bloodshed.
 
 
+15 # mdhome 2012-08-31 13:55
We are about a knife edge away from proving that, I hope we don't fall down the wrong side, oh Romoney and his henchmen will be fine, but the last chance most American have for living the American dream is going to be a nightmare, I fear.
 
 
+14 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-31 15:35
What happened with the far right, Bible-thumping Christian political blocs, that disregard that same Bible, when it clearly says that, "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to pass though the pearly gates?"

Inconvenient, I guess, and strays from the GOP agenda and thought menu.
 
 
+54 # jlohman 2012-08-31 11:19
This nation's #1 problem with the economy threatens even our democracy, and that is the cash dollars passed to our politicians. We can fight the little fires all we want but unless we stop the flow of these legal bribes we are goners.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net
 
 
+33 # brux 2012-08-31 11:51
> Republicans claim the rich are job creators. Nothing could be further from the truth. In order to create jobs, businesses need customers.

It's a simple inverse relationship almost ... as concentration of wealth and power increases the whole country and economy declines. How do Republicans miss that, or do they just think it's unimportant as long as they have more than the guy next to them ?
 
 
-80 # jimattrell 2012-08-31 12:04
The first thing an economist learns is that it takes capital in the hands of entrepreneurs to make an economy work. Prior to Obama my business had almost 100 employees. Thanks to him, it's about 30 employees now.
 
 
+34 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-31 12:47
What will it take to hire them back? If your taxes went to zero, would you hire anyone back? What if your taxes went back up to where they were when Obama became President; would that do it?
You know darn well the only way you will bring those people back is when you have enough customers to make their hiring profitable. Any other reason would bankrupt your company.
So, as I asked. How will cutting taxes on wealthy persons add jobs? (I have no idea if you are wealthy or not, if you are; then your first-hand knowledge will be invaluable)
 
 
+2 # pernsey 2012-09-03 17:03
LOL!! He thinks Mitt the Twit is going to bring people back. Im sure it all started with the economic crash that started with Bush...but Oh wait W never existed those 8 years never happened...OH PLEASE!
 
 
+11 # WolfTotem 2012-08-31 12:54
"Thanks to him..."

Could you explain?

I asked politely, jimattrell. Because, however upset you and those who've lost their jobs may be, if you just say "thanks to him" without explaining, it sounds like sour grapes and irresponsibly blaming someone else. Even if this has been caused by external factors over which you'd no control and which you couldn't foresee, it's still no use to say "thanks to him", without clarifying how "he" caused your misfortunes. Might as well blame God, the Devil, or gremlins.
Interesting that you attribute such great destructive powers to one man, a President whose every step has been impeded and every act systematically sabotaged - cfr. Mitch McConnell after Obama's election: "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." A "policy" that put party before country and inevitably damaged the economy and the national interest.
 
 
+8 # mdhome 2012-08-31 14:01
I did not see why you only have 30 employees now. No reason makes me think you told a lie.
 
 
+17 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-31 18:33
The lie was obvious. The president had nothing to do with his company losing business, unless it was no longer being awarded no bid government contracts.
 
 
+24 # brux 2012-08-31 14:28
Really, what did Obama do ... SPECIFICALLY ? to affect your business?

And really, maybe as a Conservative, you ought to take your own advice, and accept a little frickin' personal responsibility for the failure of your business.
 
 
+16 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-31 18:34
Didn't you see The Daily Show? It is government's fault when a business fails, and success is because the owner built it by him or her self!
 
 
+16 # WolfTotem 2012-08-31 15:34
Quoting jimattrell:
Thanks to him


RSN, I asked jimattrell in some detail to explain those three words - but you seem to have ditched my reply.

We can all sympathise better with people if they don't make unsubstantiated statements attributing their troubles to others.

It would be nice if jimattrell could tell us how this one man's action or inaction lost some 70 men their jobs.
Plus, perhaps, any other contributory factors.
 
 
+13 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-31 15:56
It's obvious to me, using logic and reasoning, that if President Obama caused you to reduce your number of employees by 70%, the reason must be that he is only buying 30% of what you produced, as compared to President Bush, who bought 100% of your production.

You must learn to diversify your product line. Presidents of the United States tend to vary in their purchasing habits. You can't rely on one customer for the health of your company.

This is basic stuff; right out of Harvard's MBA curriculum!

At least you were nice enough to thank him for not buying more of your product. I really don't think the "thank you" was heart felt, but it showed good character.
 
 
+19 # soularddave 2012-08-31 16:32
Quoting jimattrell:
The first thing an economist learns is that it takes capital in the hands of entrepreneurs to make an economy work.


So companies like Bain Capital create jobs with the wealth?

No, sir, these companies are job LIQUIDATORS, eliminating jobs to capitalize by selling the companies for pure profit. And then they insist on tax breaks for the money they gained.

Sorry, but I bet your company was in serious trouble, along with the rest of the economy, before Obama took office. It may have taken a while for your troubles to manifest themselves.

BTW, I'm truly sorry your company and its employees took a downturn.
 
 
+23 # Buddha 2012-08-31 12:11
In order to ignore the truth behind how neo-liberalism and the huge income/wealth disparity has eviscerated our middle-class' purchasing power, the GOP instead trots out "it is uncertainty" or "high taxes" that is constraining hiring or other fictional chestnuts.
 
 
-38 # Antler 2012-08-31 12:16
Reich coins everything in life as rich vs. poor. But really, it has nothing to do with being rich, obviously. Robert Reich is rich, and he sure as hell is not a job creator. But there are plenty of rich people who create jobs.

So when you make a statement like "nothing is further from the truth", you are kind of revealing that you yourself are pretty far from the truth in your own way, Reich.

As for the false equivalency of the Democratic and Republicans. Politics makes people irrational, people will lie at a moments notice when all they care about is their party, or just one issue. In the future, sooner than you think, the idea of politics controlling society will be as absurd an idea as we see religions controlling societies today. Govt. has -ZERO- rights to have -ANY-thing to say about who we marry, or how much we get paid, or whether we grow plants, or any other personal decisions. Our kids and grandkids are going to look at us like we were a previous evolutionary branch, that is how stupid this is.. and the good news is less and less people are buying in to the two-party system every day. I can't wait. GOOD RIDDANCE! That's why BOTH parties support NDAA, CISPA, expanding the patriot act, wiretapping.. because they are protecting their political power from the people.. it's not about terrorists.. it's about YOU and how you are going to change when you wake up. And you are waking up. That is why they are passing these crazy laws.
 
 
+13 # soularddave 2012-08-31 16:38
I thought Dr. Reich was an educator. People who teach are preparing students for higher levels of work. He provides what it takes for people to work better, and more productively. He adds value to America's workforce.
 
 
+9 # BlueReview 2012-09-01 08:24
[quote name="Antler"]R obert Reich is rich, and he sure as hell is not a job creator.

I must have missed the part where Mr. Reich called himself a "jobs creator." Wait, I'll go back and read it again.




Nope, I still don't see "I, Robert Reich, am a rich jobs creator" anywhere. What I do see is, "Republicans claim the rich are job creators. Nothing could be further from the truth. In order to create jobs, businesses need customers. But the rich spend only a small fraction of what they earn. They park most of it wherever around the world they can get the highest return.

The real job creators are the vast middle class, whose spending drives the economy and creates jobs."

What I understand from what he's written here is that if you start a business, and a lot of people purchase your services or goods, and you get rich, it isn't necessarily because you started rich. Also, that the economic inequality between the rich and the not-rich is getting worse. But I suppose that's just my own bias.
 
 
+30 # WolfTotem 2012-08-31 12:17
When I was 4 years old, I climbed a tree to help other kids build a house in it, and sawed off the branch I was sitting on. Luckily, I had a soft landing on a big pile of dead leaves.
Oligarchy today – the tyranny of wealth – is doing just the same thing, but is unlikely to come to such a happy end, either for the oligarchs or for the rest of us.

There is another even more obvious simile for this problem of excess, used by the 11th century Chinese scholar Cheng Yi – see The Tao of Organization, Cheng Yi, translated by Thomas Cleary, pp. 132-133 (http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Organization-Dynamics-Shambhala-Editions/dp/1570620865).

To paraphrase this, supposing you want to build up a dyke and take earth from the top to strengthen the base, the entire structure will be secure; but if you take from the base to build up the top, there's a danger the whole thing will collapse. To quote the Conservative politician Disraeli, “The palace is not safe when the cottage is not happy.”

These people are living in a dream world, a dream that’s already secreting cosmic nightmares.
 
 
+28 # Martha Luehrmann 2012-08-31 13:03
Hear, hear, Bob Reich! The growing disparity in wealth is wrecking our economy and is threatening our democracy.

But JLohman is right. We must get the money out of politics or all our other battles are lost.
 
 
+20 # Lennie 2012-08-31 13:45
Until we again are an economy based on MANUFACTURING goods in America, by Americans, and for Americans (plus EXPORTING as part of FAIR trade-emphasis on FAIR), we will just be spinning our wheels. Making things is what made us prosperous, and I don't mean making hamburgers! An example: Our only large airplane maker, Boeing, which used to have as its' competitors, Douglas, Lockheed, Convair, Martin,. . ., now is making it's brand new jet, the 787, out of parts made in countries all over the world. I know it's not a simple question, with a simple answer, but why not HERE? So many of our domestic manufacturing industries are gone, or are on life support. This means that small retailers and all the attendant industries which work together are dying out, too, except for the ones that primarily sell goods made over-seas, like the big box stores which are killing entrepreneurshi p and creativity. We are truly in a fix and we can't have another world war to help pull us out of the mess, this time.
 
 
+21 # walt 2012-08-31 13:48
The whole implication of this "job creator" concept is that the rich somehow or other should be exempt from taxation. We even hear it among GOP members who want to lower taxes on companies so they will bring business to their states or communities.

It's all nonsense to think that anyone making massive amounts of money should be exempt from paying taxes to a government simply because they provide jobs. Perhaps if companies practiced shared profits one could argue for that, but all we see are low paid workers and profits all going to the top and stockholders.

It appears we have lost any sense of common good in our society as we see a rejection of the concept that taxation is a price we pay to maintain a civilized society.
 
 
+17 # jwb110 2012-08-31 13:58
Over 70% of the previous "good economy" was derived from people spending. What makes the GOP/TP think that the top 400 richest Americans are spending 70% of their money on anything? Stupid.
 
 
+13 # Working Class 2012-08-31 14:13
Read "Wealth and Democracy" by Kevin Phillips. The main theme in the book is how government has enabled the rich to become rich in the US. Howevee, another theme in the book is things empires that have collapsed or slid into vastly smaller roles in the world have in common. One of the things they all had in common is the increased concentration of wealth and power in a small segment of the overall population. Sound familar? Phillips is no liberal, being a policy wonk from the Reagan administration.
 
 
+24 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-08-31 14:26
The rich don't create jobs, consumer buying creates jobs. An employer hires as many workers as needed to meet demand. Reducing the owner's taxes is not going to increase demand so it will not create any jobs.
 
 
+17 # Lennie 2012-08-31 16:14
Yes, Old Uncle Dave! Kind of like, "Trickle Up," not trickle down. And if lots of people can afford to demand lots of stuff,(made HERE, preferably) it'll be more than a trickle! The Republicans have it backwards.
 
 
+7 # BlueReview 2012-09-01 14:46
Will Rogers understood that the concept of "trickle-down" didn't work, clear back in the 1930s when he said, "The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover didn’t know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands.”

The lesson here is, The Law of Gravity doesn’t apply to money.

John Kenneth Galbraith put it another way: “The less than elegant metaphor that if one feeds the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.” So--they get oats, we get road apples.
 
 
+21 # Pete 2012-08-31 14:44
Now let's look at Ryan/Romney's plan to create 12 million jobs in the next four years. How will they do it? They don't say. But it sounds great, doesn't it? But hold on! At the current rate, President Obama, (if we stick for a moment to the fuzzy idea that a president can create jobs), is already adding on jobs at an average of around 200,000/month since the end of the recession. Both he and the Republican ticket can assume things will start to look a little better before long, to maybe 250,000 jobs added, on average, every month. And there you have it: 12 million over four years. We don't have to change presidents to achieve that! And if local schools, police forces, governments and other public sector jobs were added back into the mix, (decimated by Republican "tax saving/small government" measures -- to the levels they need to be at to thrive -- we'd be taking a whole lot more people off the proverbial breadlines.
 
 
+10 # soularddave 2012-08-31 16:53
I don't think the total number of "new jobs" nets at your number. When companies like Bain Capital close factories for profit, and those jobs migrate overseas, the net effect os many fewer jobs in America.

It also doesn't help when one assembly line worker gets a "new job" as a janitor, or a lawyer gets a job as a vulture capitalist.
 
 
+12 # JSRaleigh 2012-08-31 14:59
A minor technical quibble - it doesn't lead to corrupt democracy, it transforms democracy into a corrupt oligarchy.
 
 
+16 # giraffee2012 2012-08-31 15:11
Just vote Obama. Dem all the way. Please do NOT stay home on election day and PLEASE beg all who will / can vote and vote DEM to go cast their vote - else we'll find out in real time that the rich do NOT creat jobs.

Even if it makes your friends/relativ es angry to hear you tell the truth about the GOP/TP - keep on telling them the truth.

Don't forget to mention that Social Security / Medicare / Education are NOT entitlements. We pay into those "programs" with specific tax dollars that we MUST pay (Yes you do pay for public education with the bonds, etc. in your area)

Love Reich - he should be the Sec of Labor in Obama's next term (2012-2016) because he knows and SPEAKS out
 
 
+7 # soularddave 2012-08-31 16:59
Quoting giraffee2012:
specific tax dollars that we MUST pay (Yes you do pay for public education with the bonds, etc. in your area)


Public education is paid for with federal, state, and local property and sales taxes. The bonds (plus interest) are retired with State & local taxes.

I agree wholeheartedly with your posting and the sentiment behind it!
 
 
+8 # Quickmatch 2012-08-31 15:29
With a well studied and backed argument, perhaps I can be convinced that the drivers of new jobs--which are small business starters--will be encouraged to start-up innovations, if they can get loans. Taxation becomes a problem when the profits from the startup exceed a half million or so. Maybe those guys need a break. butwhen the startup gets to a certain size the driver for expansion is no longer taxes but demand. "Joe's Pizza House", when it reaches the size of "Koch Bros Pizzas" has had its start. Additional taxes are merely a business expense--if demand grows, the Kochs will gladly spend. An organization that can give a billion to politicans can spend that money on producing jobs.
 
 
+11 # BeaDeeBunker 2012-08-31 16:15
Yes, it is the inequality, stupid!
But what do you expect?
The Republicans say that 'rich' people create jobs...this has been proven not true.
But, what do you expect from the Republicans?
It's the STUPID Republicans, after all!
 
 
+3 # John Steinsvold 2012-08-31 17:55
An Alternative to Capitalism (Yes, economic equality is its theme song.)

Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: "There is no alternative". She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.

I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm

John Steinsvold

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."~ Albert Einstein
 
 
+9 # JetpackAngel 2012-09-01 02:25
I forget who said it, but they had a line, something similar to: "Next Halloween, I'm just going to give all my candy to the first kid who rings the doorbell and then trust it will trickle-down to the rest of the neighborhood."

This could be an instructional thing teachers could use to show their students how f'ed up our government is: pick the biggest d-bag in class, give them an entire bag of candy, and tell the rest of the class that no, he really doesn't have to share unless he wants to.

This is what is running our government: spoiled children who will never have enough toys.
 
 
-1 # edge 2012-09-01 04:59
Quoting JetpackAngel:
I forget who said it, but they had a line, something similar to: "Next Halloween, I'm just going to give all my candy to the first kid who rings the doorbell and then trust it will trickle-down to the rest of the neighborhood."

SNIP.


Why would you give the same to the kids that don't dress up at all for Halloween as the kids that go all out and spend hours on their costumes?
 
 
+6 # Smokey 2012-09-01 05:23
Labor Day approaches. A few comments...

It's a new century. The old battles between left and right have ended.

The Communists in China won the Cold War... Nixon went to China during the 1970s and he made a deal with the Communists... Nowadays, American capitalists and Chinese Communists are delighted to work together.

George Orwell predicted this situation in his book "Animal Farm." At the end of the book, the workers can't tell the "capitalist pigs" from the "Communist pigs." All of the pigs look the same.

What's next for America? Easy to explain... The big corporations will try to increase their wealth and power at the public's expense. When the middle class voters complain, they'll be told that "welfare cheats and bums" are responsible for the nation's problems.
The Republicans will complain about "socialism," while building economic and political support for China.

What's left for the left? Even in Occupy camps, words like "socialism" are seldom heard. In 1912, socialists were prominent in American politics and the labor movement was active. The times have changed.
 
 
+10 # don1157 2012-09-01 06:12
Cell phones are often cheaper than home phones! That is why we do not have home phones! Try to get a home phone for less than $30 a month. They are not a luxury any more! They are the norm. People seem to believe that poor people want to be poor. I am in a profession than has lost buying power because people do not have empathy for anyone but themselves and those close to them. What a state of affairs when people scare us about socialism while they profit from our fear and buy their own TV Network that its sole purpose is to spread propaganda for the wealthy and bigoted. There is only one biased TV network, maybe two if you count a part of MSNBC, however, with one big difference; Rachel Maddow, for example, presents facts, not rumor and race baiting propaganda.
 
 
+6 # bobby t. 2012-09-01 08:35
For years I have listened to and read the Republican "logic" (including Rand) and it has not convinced me.(And yes, there are people who are gaming the system, of course this always happens. However, this includes the richest people on earth, which is left out of the rants.) My Republican friends will not allow me to refute the lies that have been drilled into their heads by a very clever propagana machine. They, like the people they watch on TV, will not allow me to quote any facts of simple logic and theory...They see it as a pissing contest and I see it as a way to survive. They don't get it and never will until it is too late
Here is the most serious problme the Democratic party has: Money.
The lies that have been flowing non-stop via television right now can not be refuted fast enough and some of the rotten spagetti will stick to the wall. And that is not tomato sauce, you see up there, but blood.
Mitt and Ryan's remarks are blatent lies but are only refuted here on RSN articles from newspapers and blogs. The average person or voter does not read RSN, or the newspapers like the New York Times. They read the New York Post, a right wing rag, and they absolutely believe every word said in it because of their need to identify with rich white guys. Or they listen to the Fox network of sick but effective and sometimes even crazy tea party lies. Those papers and networks make a great deal of money.
Hence, the money will talk, and everything else will walk.
 
 
+8 # bobby t. 2012-09-01 08:44
It is sad, because the very rich are winning a class war that will eventually destroy them, and everyone else.
In coming years, people will ask, "Where have all the flowers gone?"
 
 
+5 # BlueReview 2012-09-01 15:04
"Young girls pick them, everyone."

"When will they ever learn?"--You're right, probably never.
 
 
-6 # Martintfre 2012-09-03 08:55
//As a result [dropping middle class income], businesses are reluctant to hire. This is the main reason why the recovery has been so anemic.//

Yea right

Of course It has Nothing to do with endless flexible yet to be defined rules, regulations and taxes Obama has foisted upon them.
 
 
+4 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-09-03 18:33
Obama has not raised any taxes yet except for the health care reform law's requirement that has not been paid by anyone yet! Obama extended Bush's idiotic tax cuts ( they were supposed to make the economy boom and create jobs but the opposite happened) and added tax cuts to his stimulous including the payroll tax decrease! If people were intelligent saints who followed the Golden Rule we would not need regulations, but we are not, are we? The regulations didn't hurt job creation during Bill Clinton's 8 years!
 

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