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The Romney campaign is "creating a parallel Republican universe of Orwellian dimension - where anything can be asserted, where pollsters and political advisers are free to create whatever concoction of lies will help elect their candidate."

Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)
Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)



Romney Is Lying Through His Big White Teeth

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

29 August 12

 

e're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," says Neil Newhouse, a Romney pollster.

A half dozen fact-checking organizations and websites have refuted Romney's claims that Obama removed the work requirement from the welfare law and will cut Medicare benefits by $216 billion.

Last Sunday's New York Times even reported on its front page that Romney has been "falsely charging" President Obama with removing the work requirement. Those are strong words from the venerable Times. Yet Romney is still making the false charge. Ads containing it continue to be aired.

Presumably the Romney campaign continues its false claims because they're effective. But this raises a more basic question: How can they remain effective when they've been so overwhelmingly discredited by the media?

The answer is the Republican Party has developed three means of bypassing the mainstream media and its fact-checkers.

The first is by repeating big lies so often in TV spots - financed by a mountain of campaign money - that the public can no longer recall (if it ever knew) that the mainstream media and its fact-checkers have found them to be lies.

The second is by discrediting the mainstream media - asserting it's run by "liberal elites" that can't be trusted to tell the truth. "I am tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans," Newt Gingrich charged at a Republican debate last January, in what's become a standard GOP attack line.

The third is by using its own misinformation outlets - led by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and his yell-radio imitators, book publisher Regnery, and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, along with a right-wing blogosphere - to spread the lies, or at least spread doubt about what's true.

Together, these three mechanisms are creating a parallel Republican universe of Orwellian dimension - where anything can be asserted, where pollsters and political advisers are free to create whatever concoction of lies will help elect their candidate, and where "fact-checkers" are as irrelevant and intrusive as is the truth.

Democracy cannot thrive in such a place. To the contrary, history teaches that this is where demagogues take root.

The Romney campaign has decided it won't be dictated by fact-checkers. But a society without trusted arbiters of what is true and what is false is vulnerable to every lie imaginable.



Robert B. Reich, Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley, was Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration. Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the last century. He has written thirteen books, including the best sellers "Aftershock" and "The Work of Nations." His latest is an e-book, "Beyond Outrage." He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause.

 

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+163 # Barbara K 2012-08-29 07:37
The King of the Liars Club cannot fool all of the people all of the time. His lies are a real threat to our democracy. He cannot be trusted at all, when we already know he lies about everything he says. He is truly an etch-a-sketch in an expensive suit. How in the world can we trust him to run this country and to take care of all of us and in foreign affairs when he is such a psychopathic liar? We can't. DON'T Vote Republican at any level so we can get some states cleaned out also.

DO VOTE; vote as if your livelihood depends on it, as it truly does. Don't ever set out another election or let the Rs convince you that your vote doesn't count. IT DOES COUNT.
 
 
+17 # overanddone 2012-08-29 08:09
Barbara
we have to stop meeting like this.
 
 
+40 # HowardMH 2012-08-29 10:51
Agree Barbara, However, the problem is the millions of really stupid people that believe the campaign videos the richest 50 people are paying for. Until the Idiots (and I’m not referring to the politicians who are totally bought and paid for) engage brain and realize how bad they are being screwed nothing is going to happen on Capital Hill.
Fact-checkers results only work if the actual results are understood by the millions of stupid people, and we know that isn’t going to happen. When polls ask questions who do you like better as a person, instead of who do you think really understands the complex issues and how to solve them in a manner that will benefit the average American. They liked Obama better than they liked McCain, issues be damned.
 
 
+32 # mickeynow 2012-08-29 13:06
Unfortunately, BK, he only needs to fool 51% of the voters. Somehow, we have to make that 51% ours. Romney, along with Ryan, is a danger to our country. We can't trust anything he says. That's for sure.
 
 
+114 # overanddone 2012-08-29 07:51
I listened this morning to talk on MSNBC about Romney putting his faith and religion on display at the GOP convention. To my thinking his beliefs have been on display quite clearly. It is obvious that lying has no taboo in Mr. or Mrs. Romney religion. That stretched to the edge legal, substitutes for ethical in his politics, his business dealings, his obligations to country. That his belief in respect for everything from human life to acceptance of different cultures and lifestyles are negotiable, as I'm sure will be his promises if elected.
Trust Him???????????? ??
 
 
+50 # slimguysf53 2012-08-29 08:12
Ann Romney's speech last night was a slobbering display of pandering to every segment of voters that the ticket, in fact the party, has alienated repeatedly. I was amused by the look on Condi Rice's face when she didn't know she was on camera; I must say I think more of her now.
 
 
+3 # freelyb 2012-08-30 15:44
My thoughts exactly. In the name of love, one more (lie or two) in the name of love...pathetic .
 
 
+7 # brux 2012-08-29 16:00
I really have to wonder if Romney and his attitude about faith and morality is any different from the majority of Americans. How many of them go to church and just go to sleep or keep an eye open for customers or dupes there?

How closely does Romney represent what most Americans are as opposed to what we pretend to be ?
 
 
+98 # mjc 2012-08-29 08:01
Whether he or his advisors and media consultants aren't going to let facts get in their way in Romney's pursuit of the White House is not going to deter any voter from seeing or listening to the other side(s) of campaign statements. Theirs is the advantage of raising gobs of money so that any plucky facts can be overriden in the media that can be bought. There is a real reason why Teapublicans bust the "liberal" media...or really don't want to fund any increased educational opportunities. The founders of this country knew that an informed electorate was the only way a Republic was going survive. Those of us who shop or do laundry or go to our book clubs or library have an absolute duty to present the truth as we know it. Not an easy commitment but a very important one.
 
 
+28 # jjj 2012-08-29 08:12
Quoting mjc:
Whether he or his advisors and media consultants aren't going to let facts get in their way in Romney's pursuit of the White House is not going to deter any voter from seeing or listening to the other side(s) of campaign statements. Theirs is the advantage of raising gobs of money so that any plucky facts can be overriden in the media that can be bought. There is a real reason why Teapublicans bust the "liberal" media...or really don't want to fund any increased educational opportunities. The founders of this country knew that an informed electorate was the only way a Republic was going survive. Those of us who shop or do laundry or go to our book clubs or library have an absolute duty to present the truth as we know it. Not an easy commitment but a very important one.

Important and worth doing absolutely. But unfortunately many of his constituents have a DON'T CONFUSE US WITH THE FACTS! attitude.
 
 
-128 # Robt Eagle 2012-08-29 09:30
When has Obama ever let the truth stop him from telling his BS to the entire nation. Obama is the biggest liar of them all. where is the transparency he promised in his election rhetoric? Where is the truth about the middle class Obama is destroying, yet touts he is protecting? Where are all the documents of his college records, travel to the Middle East, Harvard Law, etc, etc records that are all sealed? Where was the truth about the Bin Laden raid? How about Obama's hit list and drone strike crap? Obama is the liar, not Mitt Romney who is justified saying what is about to happen to Medicare. Just think of what Pelosi said" we need to pass this bill to find out what is in it". Harry Reid lied about his attack on Romneys taxes. The left is ok to lie, but attack the Republicans for telling the truth and call it a lie. Robert Reich spins the lies all the time and no one takes him to task, probably because he is not relavant anyhow.
 
 
+45 # Mamazon 2012-08-29 11:15
An excelent repeat of Rove's talking points... I'm sure if it keeps being repeated, many will fall for this kind of BS.
 
 
+42 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-29 11:33
Robt.

Typical of any conversation I have attempted to have with low information Righties. You have nothing behind your accusations so you support one accusation with another accusation. I call it a filibuster. I am not even asking for facts, just arguments based on a consistent logic.
So, just for fun. Your opening statement about Obama telling BS? So, big deal. BS is not necessarily a lie so the first statement cannot be used as a building block to support your second. How about an example of transparency or how Obama is destroying the Middle Class. For emphasis, you should contrast that last point with the Republican plan to save the Middle class. Why do you need to see his college records? Just take a breath, and find one area that you can explain your point in such a way that maybe someone will see your point; because from here your only point is that you despise President Obama. And if I was you I would be watching over my shoulder for one of those drones. (sic)
 
 
+31 # janie1893 2012-08-29 11:38
To Robt Eagle--the seeds of all the problems of which you speak were sown and had taken root prior to The Obama administration taking office.
 
 
+37 # tswhiskers 2012-08-29 11:50
Mr. Eagle, I can only think that you listen to Fox News to exclusion of all else. As to your charges, how is Obama destroying the middle class? What do you think is the truth about the bin Laden raid? AS for lies, I'll give you the possibility that Harry Reid lied about Romney's taxes, but who can really know if he did or not except Romney? For the rest if you listened to other sources of news or read the occasional liberal rag, e.g. The NYTimes you might begin to wander out of the magical realm of Fox Newsland and into a New World devoid of radical right spin. Skepticism of both the right and the left can indeed be a healthy state of mind. Skepticism also requires an open mind and the willingness to do some unbiased research. No doubt it's easier just to call me and others on this blog liberal idiots. You won't change, but then, neither will we.
 
 
+25 # mickeynow 2012-08-29 13:18
The sad fact is that most politicians lie. Some more than others. Romney, though, doesn't care what he says, as long as he gets the prize. He's more of an overall danger than Obama. Yes, Obama has certainly disappointed most of us in his dealings. We will never know what he might have done if the right hadn't made up their minds to do only one thing during his tenure and that was to block anything he tried to accomplish which might have benefited the country. We who wish better for our country have been sadly misled by all the politicians on both sides who are in thrall to the rich folks. We must do better in selecting our representatives to do our bidding, rather than that of the 1%.
 
 
+22 # ABen 2012-08-29 16:50
Eagle; please present us with some FACTS and/or DATA to support your wild accusations. RSN readers are a literate crowd and respond well to factual support. If you are unwilling or (more likely) can't do this, please go rant at your wall and stop wasting our time.
 
 
+1 # tigerlille 2012-08-29 22:13
Quoting Robt Eagle:
When has Obama ever let the truth stop him from telling his BS to the entire nation. Obama is the biggest liar of them all. where is the transparency he promised in his election rhetoric? Where is the truth about the middle class Obama is destroying, yet touts he is protecting? Where are all the documents of his college records, travel to the Middle East, Harvard Law, etc, etc records that are all sealed? Where was the truth about the Bin Laden raid? How about Obama's hit list and drone strike crap? Obama is the liar, not Mitt Romney who is justified saying what is about to happen to Medicare. Just think of what Pelosi said" we need to pass this bill to find out what is in it". Harry Reid lied about his attack on Romneys taxes. The left is ok to lie, but attack the Republicans for telling the truth and call it a lie. Robert Reich spins the lies all the time and no one takes him to task, probably because he is not relavant anyhow.


They are both big fat LIARS, no doubt about it. The question is, who is the more destructive? At least Obama doesn't have plans to turn the aged in this country out in the streets so that a few greedy people can wring a few extra dollars out of the government.
 
 
+24 # jjj 2012-08-29 08:07
Well, yes. Political campaigning=adv ertising. The product being sold is the candidate. The Republican side seems to be bound less by "truth in advertising" and more by "winning is all that matters". And sadly, advertising is highly effective in our culture- we are so gullible! Let's hope the truth shines through. If it does Mr Romney can't possibly win the election.
 
 
+22 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-29 11:40
Its against the law for example to claim that your brand of Orange Juice will cure pimples. It is OK to say you will like it so much that you can face all the day's problem's with a happier attitude.
The first is a lie unsubstantiated by any fact, the latter is a claim that cannot be proven or disproved since it merely claims that Orange Juice tastes good. A fact that many people would agree with.
Tht Romney guys are engaging in a lie by telling you that Obama causes pimples.
 
 
+13 # Kiwikid 2012-08-29 14:32
That's what I don't get - surely there must be a law against what they're doing - particularly if they're doing it repeatedly and its demonstrably false
 
 
+2 # freelyb 2012-08-30 15:56
I wondered that to. Wouldn't slander or libel or treason come into play at some point?
 
 
+27 # PalomarParkman 2012-08-29 08:12
Until there are laws prohibiting the broadcast of "misinformation " for the purposes of manipulating voters, we will be a democracy at risk. There is a line between free speech and willful lies and slander. It is the responsibility of every citizen to seek out the facts to make informed decisions before they vote. Unfortunately, many don't even vote and the majority that do are not diligent enough to seek the truth.
 
 
+5 # ptalady 2012-08-29 12:50
How frightening! And who will be making the decisions of what is or is not misinformation? Much as I deplore the lies broadcast by the lying Republican machine, I fervently hope the censorship laws of which you speak never come to pass, for that would spell the end of the First Amendment entirely, not to mention the end of political campaigning and populist democracy in general (to the extent thatis what we have).
 
 
+15 # Regina 2012-08-29 13:19
Counteracting the lie campaigns does not require censorship. It requires fact checking and counter-argumen ts on the basis of facts. Of course dissemination of facts requires money, and the money is heavily weighted on the side of lies, slander, and stupidity.
 
 
+22 # engelbach 2012-08-29 14:03
Fraud is against the law. Perjury is against the law.

These are not free speech issues.

Deliberate lying in advertising, political or otherwise, should be considered the same kind of crime.
 
 
+9 # Kiwikid 2012-08-29 16:06
How wonderful - the euphemisms we use to hide what is really going on. Rather than lying we now have 'misinformation '. Blatant 'untruths' should be challengeable in a court of law. To say things that are untrue of people - either of their character or actions, surely constitutes a libel.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 18:30
When is the last time someone was convicted of libel in the U.S.?
 
 
+23 # independentmind 2012-08-29 08:13
The propaganda machine in action. Like in Nazi Germany eventually everybody will believe the propaganda because they have heard it so often - it must be true.
 
 
+34 # anntares 2012-08-29 08:28
Robert Reich - thanks for holding GOP feet to the fire of truth, week after week.
 
 
-55 # jtatu 2012-08-29 08:33
Hold on there Reich, you are the one doing the lying here. On July 12 the Department of Health and Human Services released a directive allowing the states to waive the 1996 TANF work requirements which gutted welfare reforms that were actually working. True? By "working" I mean getting people to work and off welfare. You may think the object is to get as many people as possible on welfare and keep them there.
 
 
+24 # engelbach 2012-08-29 14:08
Giving the states the option of devising better ways to put people to work is not gutting welfare reform.

By the way, it was mostly Republican governors who asked for this waiver. The federal government has not "mandated" anything. It has simply allowed the states more flexibility.

Allowing something is not the same as commanding it. And nothing in the directive permits states to waive the work requirements.

You're repeating one of the big lies Reich referred to.
 
 
-33 # jtatu 2012-08-29 15:36
The directive also renders the definition of work virtually meaningless. And by the way, what does Reich intend by his mean-spirited reference to Romney's teeth? Is he jealous of that too? The sponsors of this site have said they are concerned about the growing vitriol in the comments. What do you suppose will happen when the article is a vitriolic, false diatribe by a demagogue as this one was?
 
 
+10 # soularddave 2012-08-29 19:12
Quoting jtatu:
What do you suppose will happen when the article is a vitriolic, false diatribe by a demagogue as this one was?


I'll donate $35 because the article points out the verifiable TRUTH.
 
 
+1 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:01
Don't forget; you are choosing to be here.
 
 
+3 # freelyb 2012-08-30 15:59
It didn't end the work requirement. It gave states some flexibility to structure it in the way they see fit. Big difference and you know it.
 
 
+22 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-08-29 08:42
There are two other aspects of this Republican't strategy. One, they pick the topic of discussion to avoid embarrassing issues and they staywith it. Second, they keep the Democrats on defense where they habitually stay. Democrats rarely learn from Republican tactics, they rarely fight fire with fire, and they usually bring their pillow to a knife fight! No wonder so many Democratic politicians are former lawyers - they couldn't state their case nor win an argument in court! Also the Republicans have had a 'divide and conquer' strategy since 1980. They divide the middle class and particularly blue collar workers with select inflammatory issues and "conservative" values. Plus they long have said whatever they wish to be true even if it is not!
 
 
+16 # Regina 2012-08-29 13:28
And they carry on a war against women, roaring on against birth control -- not just abortion -- in their frenzy against anyone who dares oppose their power grab. Of course their noise against women's rights masks the fact that they actually stall all legislation to keep Obama's ideas from being passed to serve people's needs. Think of all those 32 separate votes to repeal the ACA -- they get paid as they keep that obstructionism going!
 
 
+1 # Cliff 2012-09-01 18:34
I wish I could click the thumbs up a hundred times sometimes.
 
 
-71 # 2wmcg2 2012-08-29 08:43
Mitt Romney's "big white teeth". Does that translate subliminally into Romney's white skin? Is that the element you're trying to introduce into this subject, Mr. Reich?
 
 
-19 # ptalady 2012-08-29 12:52
I think he pretty clearly meant specifically the white skin on Romney's backside.
 
 
+14 # Michael Lee Bugg 2012-08-29 13:46
2wmcg2: have you never heard the expression, "He's lying through his teeth"? It has nothing to do with his skin color, even when someone says, "that man speaks with forked tounge"!
 
 
+7 # engelbach 2012-08-29 14:09
If you were educated, you'd know that the reference was mocking Romney's crocodile smile, a symbol of greed and deception.
 
 
-2 # ptalady 2012-08-30 08:05
Quoting engelbach:
If you were educated, you'd know that the reference was mocking Romney's crocodile smile, a symbol of greed and deception.

You may be correct, or I might be, but your comment could have been said it as well without the insult. As it happens, I have a great deal of education, formal and otherwise, and my take on the phrase was as stated. Couldn't reasonable minds differ without resorting to ad hominem attacks? It does seem that various readers understood the nuance differently.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 18:38
Good point ptalady. Why don't Republicans discuss and listen to reason. Why can't the pros and ocns of an issue be listed and discussed?

What happened to the gentlemen of the Congress?
 
 
+11 # Kiwikid 2012-08-29 20:37
I took it to mean that his teeth have been orthodontically manicured - something only the wealthy, or vain and desperate, can afford
 
 
+7 # Majikman 2012-08-29 21:19
"My, Grandma, what big white teeth you have", said Little Red Riding Hood to the wolf. You've already demonstrated your difficulty with comprehension, so here's an easier version.
 
 
+3 # ptalady 2012-08-30 08:16
You may be correct, or others might be, but it seems to me your comment could have been made as well without the insult. There seems to be a variety of reads of the phrase in question. Perhaps Mr. Reich, a very able pundit, intended more than one meaning. My memory of the Red Riding Hood story does not emphasize the color of the teeth. For comparison, the version noted in Wikipedia gives the line ""What a big mouth you have," the little girl murmured in a weak voice." I do not belive our difference of opinion is due to a difficulty in comprehension, nor do I believe the discussion of our nation's problems is improved by insults. In fact, a drift towards vitriol is even lamented by our hosts. So while we are on this side topic, let's at least refrain from personal attacks.
 
 
+10 # Vardoz 2012-08-29 08:50
We know that but thay intend to steal the election.
 
 
+14 # moh2o 2012-08-29 08:53
Perhaps during the debates and before, One lie can be thoroughly debunked, again and again and in ad spots..."if you lie once, you cannot be trusted" will then be the talking point.
 
 
+34 # Buddha 2012-08-29 08:54
If Americans are going to let themselves be ignorant sheep, they shouldn't be surprised when they are sheared and turned into cutlets. In a democracy, it is every citizen's responsibility to be INFORMED, and in this information age, there is simply no excuse for allowing yourself to be successfully lied to.
 
 
+9 # ABen 2012-08-29 16:57
Well said Buddha!!
 
 
+36 # TomDegan 2012-08-29 08:55
"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them."

-Adolf Hitler

Here's the deal: All these people have going for them is THE BIG LIE. they can't run a campaign based on the merits of their ideas because those ideas suck. What to do? The same thing reactionaries have always done. The same thing Hitler did eighty years ago - conjure up phantoms.

Get used to living in a country in ruins.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
 
 
+23 # golden.peek.a.pom 2012-08-29 13:31
I see what is happening and I am frightened by it. At the end of the day, I tell myself that I should look away, stop reading, thinking, questioning and talking about what is happening.

I have been thinking a lot about Hitler, lately, and the human psyche. How could so many follow and nurture his peculiar evil?

What social conditions could have made the Germans and others more ripe for the taking?

I understand what Romney and his ilk are up to... but I cannot understand why.

Why, for some, does the search for power have no reasonable bounds?

We are now living an important and compressed history.... the history of the destruction of our souls, our country, and the planet itself.

And I cannot turn away.
 
 
0 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:10
I am afraid the good among us will have to become "less civilized" in order to effectively take on the task at hand...
 
 
-5 # jtatu 2012-08-31 10:54
Sorry, Golden, you have committed an obvious "slip of the tongue." Surely you meant to say "Obama and his ilk" rather than "Romney and his ilk." Otherwise, your comment makes no sense.
 
 
+34 # Todd Williams 2012-08-29 09:11
I note with great interest Newhouse's aforementioned statement regarding not allowing the Romney campaign to be dictated by fact checkers or "never let the facts get in the way of a good story," to parapharse Joe Esterhaus. This was, not coincidentally, one of the tenants of the master of disinformation, Joseph Goebbels. In his "Principals of Propaganda," Goebbels states "credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false." Furthermore, Goebbels says that "propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige." Perhaps Romney and Ryan can be seen as such leaders. The Nazi minister also advanced the principal that "propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequenses of deafeat." Propaganda, Goebbels said, "must evoke desired responses which the audience previously posesses," and "must label events or people with distinctive phrases or slogans." Perhaps allegations such as "Obama is a Muslim, a radical, a Socialist, a non-citizen," would fit that bill. I now wonder if Karl Rove et-al, is a student of Goebbels' writings? Without being overly alarmist, I do believe our citizens need to closely examine the drink being set in front of them. Is it juice or cyanide-laced Kool Aid?
 
 
+21 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-29 12:22
Todd,
Great points. I think you may have hit on an underlying reason for the selection of Ryan. Paul Ryan has a reputation as a serious policy wonk, that runs the numbers and takes his positions based on the power of math. Which is really ironic considering the Republican general disdain for science. Nevertheless, Ryan, as those of us that follow this crap actually bases his positions on ideology and then cherry picks the numbers to make it all look right. I am fairly certain that Romney does the same, but his only ideology is to win the election that daddy didn't.
So Romney selected Ryan for his ability to cram facts or numbers into making his ideology look legit, and Ryan's ideology is mostly what Romney perceives to be the path to victory. Note that truth is not part of either man's view of the world as being important. And to paraphrase that great American ice cream innovator and shameless corporate shill, Stephen Colbert; Truthiness is what matters.
 
 
+13 # ABen 2012-08-29 17:06
Well said Brad! I have read Ryan's budget proposal, and it is so full of blue sky and ridiculous assumptions that no serious economist or student of economic theory could take it seriously; 400% growth in GDP over 25 years, unemployment at 2.5% (never happened in history except briefly during WWII), increasing revenue (to lower deficit) by lowering taxes on the extremely wealthy. As you correctly point out, Ryan's proposal is driven by ideology but certainly not by facts, data, history, or credible economic theory.
 
 
+13 # grandone@charter.net 2012-08-29 09:14
The problem with assuming voter objectivity is that many voters are watching FOX TV, not MSNBC. The stratification of voters looking for information that reinforces their beliefs is higher than I can remember it. So "fair and balanced" is not happening in the news and objectivity among voters is nil. Campaigns need to get their message out directly to the voters who are watching FOX and listening to Rush Limbaugh because perception IS reality to them.
 
 
+21 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-29 09:22
Being from the great state of MA (you can tell its convention season when I use that description!) provides some interesting perspective. First, President Obama's campaign team and Governor Deval Patrick's team are largely populated by the same people. Governor Patrick was considered to be such a weak candidate for re-election that an independent challenge from within the Democratic party was launched. The Republican candidate, was a successful, outspoken business leader from the Health Care Industry. Going into September, the challenger was a laughing stock; clearing the path for the Republican to knock Patrick off. The Obama/Patrick team put together a winning campaign and Deval Patrick handily became the first black Governor in the US to win a second term.

Now, for the bad news. Mitt Romney and Scott Brown also share some of the same campaign team. In particular, Eric "Etch-A-Sketch" Fernstrom. Underestimate him at your own peril. The practice of creating a false narrative from innocuous and disconnected facts is his forte. The welfare lie is no different than the attack on Warren because the state is trying to register welfare recipients, or that Warren is considered a top flight academic because she made up a story about being part Cherokee. This is representative of Fernstrom's campaign modus operandi. Create the impression that the opponent is not an honorable candidate, after some time the public just remembers that the other guy is dishonorable.
 
 
+17 # Rick10 2012-08-29 09:37
It is unbelievable to find the electorate so evenly split between the two parties in spite of the facts.
The big question is: What can we, as ordinary citizens (in a blue state like California, for example), do to counteract this alarming threat to our democracy?
 
 
+29 # jganeles 2012-08-29 09:38
Is it time yet to validate Hillary Clinton for daring to suggest the presence of "a vast right-wing conspiracy" behind all these shenanigans?? It's wider than anyone could even have imagined. You were right, Hillary!
 
 
-33 # dbriz 2012-08-29 09:52
Bob Reich, an entertaining guy and quite likeable, even those who disagree with him agree, has outdone himself.

He has made a heretofore unknown discovery; hold on...take a deep breath...politi cians lie!

I know this is hard to swallow but we all just need to buck up and live with it. Romney and friends, being politicians of course, can't be trusted to tell the whole truth or, even a little bit of it.

Now it should be noted that more than a few of Bob's friends, think Bill Clinton, even "Hill" and (gasp) Obama, have have had their own problems with veracity from time to time. But then, perhaps Bob is willing to cut a bit of slack for "white lies".

But no matter, Bob, you have brought enlightenment to the masses of uninformed. For that alone we are in your debt. After all, the future of "democracy" (whatever the hell that means) is at stake.
 
 
+7 # BradFromSalem 2012-08-29 10:47
dbriz,

Thanks for your astute observation of the ignorance of the average RSN reader/commenta tor. Yes, I admit politicians lie, its true. But in recent history their lies are about what they accomplished, like Al Gore claiming to invent the internet. Or what they will do once elected like Bill Clinton proclaiming he will cut taxes on the Middle Class!
No, this lie is about an action that an opponent took which cannot be supported by even twisting the facts. This is very different from my examples, which of course were Republican misrepresentati ons of fact, instead of what Romney is doing. Which is misrepresenting facts.

Do you see a consistency in Mitt to classic Republicanism we never realized he had in him? I do.
 
 
-18 # dbriz 2012-08-29 14:50
First, I don't think the "...average RSN reader/commenta ter" is "ignorant".

That is your description so I'll allow you to defend it or revise it at your discretion.

Now, you mention twisting facts which is of course a time honored tradition well known and used by all but the most saintly among us.

That Romney would misrepresent facts or even make up facts out of whole cloth should not surprise one as involved in the system as Bob Reich. Or the rest of us.

What is disingenuous is to suppose that this tactic was invented all of a sudden in 2012 by Republicans.

History is replete with similar examples by politicians of all stripes, parties and special interests. Way back to the days of the founding actually.

Now, I suppose it's true that some lies are worse than others and at it's best our political system forces us to choose which band of liars appeals most to our personal desires.

For my money, Bob Reich is too intelligent and too connected to believe his own hyperbolic drivel about the "...future of democracy being at stake...". But that is another discussion.

Back to your opening line; the average RSN reader/commenta tor is not "ignorant", but rather like Bob Reich; that is, receptive to the polemic they want to hear and reluctant to spend much time digging past the surface of what they want to believe and hear.
 
 
+1 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:18
And you, dbriz, seem too intelligent to promote such a blatantly false equivalence between the two parties on this matter, at this time.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 18:51
Lies are lies. Facts are facts. People research nowadays and prove that Republicans go ahead and lie or maybe just speak without researching facts, while representing statements as facts, which is a lie. I still don't like liars.
 
 
+26 # Peace Anonymous 2012-08-29 09:56
America think about it. Do you really want this guy in charge of the military? Do you really want this guy with his hand on the button?? Should I? Or shouldn't I?
This is all nonsense. I have travelled all over the world, spent years in the Middle East and everybody wants peace except those who are making billions creating war. Enough lies and deception. What elite media?? FOX?? If we want the change that Obama talked about WE, the people, have to make that happen. The president alone can't do it. The few who profit from this insanity understandably do not want things to change. So it is up to us.
 
 
+22 # msleepyhead 2012-08-29 10:01
the repugs/tea party are only about getting a black man out of the white house and manipulating the lemmings to their own demise...and creating tyranny and the corporate state.
 
 
+32 # Mamazon 2012-08-29 10:05
And I am trying to raise my kids to always tell the truth, to care about others, to resist violence and love their country. At 11 years old, my son knows that lying will get him in trouble and telling tall tales about his classmates or his sister will get him grounded. How is it that my 11-year old son knows lying is wrong and Romney and Ryan (supposedly adults) still lie whenever they open their mouths? Did their parents forget to teach them right from wrong? Apparently so, and now they want to lie about how a woman gets pregnant and force incest survivors to bear children that will be born unto a country where we no longer care if children eat or have a safe place to sleep at night? We are losing our humanity and all the Romney/Ryan ticket can promise is tax cuts for the rich, an end to Medicare and any form of women's health care, the privatization (and dumbing down) of our education system and more jails to house minorities in solitary confinement for petty offenses while criminal bankers and investment kings are free to legitmately rape our economy. I worry for my children who are losing their rights as well as a safe environment to grow up into... I will be supporting the Democratic party in the election -- they may not be the guardians at the gates of fascism that I wish they were, but at least they know where babies come from and do not consider rape "just another form of conception."
 
 
+1 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:20
Well said.
 
 
+18 # OldRedleg 2012-08-29 10:13
From the mormon.org website:

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (9th Commandment)

I guess Mitt doesn't consider President Obama his neighbor ;>}
 
 
+20 # humanmancalvin 2012-08-29 10:19
I get a sad kick over Romney whining that Obama is being mean to him & its just not fair, sniff. If the lies don't win the right wing insurgency the White House then voter suppression will. This is absurdly Anti-American & dangerous to the countries future. if it has one if he is elected.
 
 
+21 # MainStreetMentor 2012-08-29 10:20
The acorn of hope in this article is: THE GROWING DOUBTS OF THE MEDIA IN ROMNEY AND HIS MESSAGES. It will be the wholesale coverage of the media refudiating Romneys' message which has the potential to sway the electorate. Pray they do not shift away from that refudiation - it will help save Democracy and the United States from the destruction the Republicans will surely bring if elected.
 
 
+13 # kalpal 2012-08-29 11:08
The MSM created and fostered the enviornment where lies are not called lies and are excused with a tired shrug of "they all do it." When you are no longer prepared to call a liar by his rightful name you deny that truth is of value in your own society and lies must be tolerated as normal discourse. This means that you are willing to swallow lies and live under them. I assume because you fear for your jobs? I have always known that the right wing is vicious and vindictive but if you fear to call it by its rightful name give it credence it has never deserved.
 
 
+14 # JSRaleigh 2012-08-29 11:12
The other problem it generates is that you come to automatically assume that anything a republican says is a lie.

That's works for now, but what happens if someday a republican tells the truth about something?
 
 
+10 # overanddone 2012-08-29 12:16
Fat chance!
 
 
+1 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:21
Love it!
 
 
+18 # writergrrl 2012-08-29 11:15
There needs to be a law requiring political TV commercials to be vetted by fact checkers before being allowed to air! I'm angered every time I see one of these lying ads.
 
 
+12 # bluemoonwoman 2012-08-29 11:28
After watching the Republican convention last night, I felt very depressed. It was like watching theater of the absurd. When I discuss with friends what we are going to do at election time, there is alot of discussion about voting the lesser of two evils. But what if evil is playing both sides of the coin, and we have no real choice? What then folks? We are being manipulated up one side and down the other. It is from my perspective a very dangerous situation that we all find ourselves in.
 
 
+7 # Observer 47 2012-08-29 14:15
Quoting bluemoonwoman:
But what if evil is playing both sides of the coin, and we have no real choice?


I don't think there's any question at all that what you describe is exactly the situation. We DON'T have a real choice. We have an APPARENT choice, but if you look at what's actually happening in this country, versus what the media (any or all of them) SAY is happening, you see that the results are the same no matter who's in office. From Ronnie Raygun through Bill Clinton, from Dubya through Obama, the corporations have become ever more powerful and more money is accruing to the 1%. That's a fact. And it will continue to be a fact no matter who wins in November.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 18:56
I admire you for taking the time to watching.
 
 
-11 # tonywicher 2012-08-29 12:41
Although I quite agree with everything Reich says about Romney (and there's even worse) but the Republican strategy is based on the fact that the mainstream media from Fox to MSNBC is discredited because it does not report anything of significance that has not been vetted by the CIA and the National Security State. The NYT is no better than Pravda these days. And Obama is a damn treacherous liar practically every time he opens his mouth. I voted for him as a progressive Democrat, and he has betrayed me on just about everything. It's just that Romney is even worse. I'm not voting for anybody this time unless he holds a press conference demanding a real 9/11 investigation. The whole war on terror is a fraud, bankers are robbing us blind and Obama is not doing anything about it.
 
 
0 # Kiwikid 2012-08-29 21:31
If you really believe that you need to get out of country - Mexico, Venezuela, Ecuador - anywhere but the US.
 
 
+1 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:23
I can relate to that.
 
 
+1 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:01
You raise good point about the war on terror. I personally don't believe that Obama lies and I have known habitual liars. I also don't believe that the media from Fox to NBC News is the same. No way. The government does not have the ability to control our messed up media.
 
 
+21 # MindDoc 2012-08-29 13:03
Nothing like consistency!

August 2011: Quote:
We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," says Neil Newhouse, a Romney pollster.
Ronald Reagan: "Facts are stupid things"
George W Bush: "Fool me once, um, err. uh..."
Big Brother (1984): Love is Hate. War is Peace. ['doublespeak']
SCOTUS - dollars are people
Christie - We need "shared sacrifice" (definition please?)

The age of spin, parsing, re-spinning, and recycling the flip-flops. The only constancy: Words as a weapon of mass deception.
 
 
-10 # Observer 47 2012-08-29 14:17
At the risk of accumulating multiple thumbs-down from the diehard Obama supporters (and I did vote for him, btw), I would add to your list:

"Change we can believe in." - Barack Obama, 2008
 
 
+2 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:25
I can sympathize with your disillusionment and have often said similar things. But I tend to think O really had little idea of the scope of the evil he would be up against.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:04
If you aren't voting for him again, I seriously doubt that you ever did. But maybe you only listen once in a while.
 
 
+13 # CC1951 2012-08-29 14:24
When you think about it, you realize campaigns have always been about lying . But this one takes the cake, thanks to Romney, the Republicans , the neo-cons, and the tea party. Vote your heart.
Thank you,
LadyDem
 
 
+16 # PABLO DIABLO 2012-08-29 15:34
"You can fool some of the people some of the time, and that's enough to make a good living". --- W.C.Fields
 
 
+3 # brux 2012-08-29 15:57
The only place left for American citizens will soon be either a slave or a pet or a discarded piece of garbage.

It is sickeningly ironic that just after saving the world from facsism in WWII the United States has become the last refuge the fascism, or the "Al-Qaeda" of fascism - that is. the base.

The only way they win is if Americans stop thinking only of themselves and start to think of the country and the world first. All human beings have a right to this planets resources, none of us should be cut off from life so we are forced to sell our lives to someone else.
 
 
-17 # egbegb 2012-08-29 16:07
Half a dozen fact checkers -- would some of these be the New York Times, AlterNet, MMFA, MoveOn, DailyKos, MSNBC, ...?

Does Mr. Reich need "fact checkers" to do his analysis for him?
Apparently so!
 
 
+2 # brux 2012-08-29 21:14
What is wrong with fact-checkers, politicians have been know to lie you know ?
 
 
+1 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:26
Obviously, you've never been to a fact-check website. And therein is the problem.
 
 
+4 # Antemedius 2012-08-29 16:24
Mainstream media does fact-checking?

Has this been fact checked?
 
 
+4 # Antemedius 2012-08-29 17:09
Romney is a a liar alright, but not a very good one.

Too transparent and easily seen through.

Obama is a shoe-in for re-election
http://antemedius.com/content/obama-shoe-2012-re-election

The two party con job is the biggest lie there is.
 
 
+1 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:10
Not a shoe-in. No way. When the percentage is 51% do not sit on your butt.

True that he is transparent to us and easily seen through, by us, but not to many and he stirs emotions. (Baby Killers).

I agree that two party is a bad idea. Come up with a better one.
 
 
+1 # tonywicher 2012-08-29 18:09
The NYT, Washington Press, WSJ, Fox, CNN and MSNBC, Reuters, AP - these are all completely controlled by the CIA and the National Security State. Whatever you see, hear and read there is what the CIA wants you to hear. They control our minds through the mass media, they give us the picture they want us to see. Whatever they do is secret and unaccountable, they are Strangeloves mad with power, and they are taking this country and the world on the path to war - maybe nuclear war. Break up the CIA! Stop violations of international law! End NATO aggression!
 
 
0 # brux 2012-08-29 21:19
Now, even if you cut their funding, like most secret military organization they have their own money making propositions, not to mention the rich people like Romney, Adelson, etc with their offshore bank accounts.

Read some of John Perkins' stuff "The Secret History of the American Empire" for one ... he talks about this happening with the military in Indonesia ....

All I hear from my fellow liberals is whining and complaining about war, but war is what it is going to take to get this country back , and it is a war a lot of people are going to die in if they try it. I doubt liberals/Democr ats have the guts or organization for it.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:18
True that the Koch brothers and others could fund a war. They are probably too cheap though.

What do you base your statement that war is going to get this country back on?
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:15
That is the one 'saving grace'. I don't believe that the CIA could do this. Please show a shred of evidence. I have friends in the media. They are careful not to offend the other side with opinions, but they are never afraid to tell the facts. And they have never been approached by the CIA. I will swear to this.
 
 
+5 # m... 2012-08-29 18:17
Main Steam Media?
WAKE UP..!
The 30 year long Corporate-Repub lican flim flam of relentless schemes and outcomes brought about under Umbrella Talking Points like 'Smaller Government'-'Le ss Government'-'Pr ivatization of Government'-'Ge tting Government Off Our Backs'--Take your pick from the the now taken-as-gospel , knee jerk, off the cuff, unquestioned and most politically successful Republican eternal demand to 'Get BIG(?) Government Out of the Way' is aBIG FAT LIE and a cultural iconic shift downwards to NOWHERE..!
A major casualty of it all and now turned motivator of more catastrophe, is 'MEDIA' and the fact that decades of deregulation schemes allowed for almost all Media Enterprises in America to be owned and exploited by just 5-6 Global Corporate Conglomerates beholden exclusively to their Global Shareholders-- NOT the American People.
What is the LEGAL MANDATE of ALL Corporations?
TO INCREASE SHAREHOLDER WEALTH!
So, even putting the The Fux Propaganda Platform aside, in today's America with today's regulatory regime (or lack thereof) and the Lobby access available in Washington, and without a Fairness Doctrine in Media, and where the several Aggregates of Media in existence now are tantamount to all-pervasive Media Empires in POWERFUL control of Information flow---How can Our Republic survive just the current American Media situation, let alone ALL the many rivers of cash-corruption drowning OUR democracy?
 
 
+9 # tonywicher 2012-08-29 19:17
No, you wake up! You think the Democratic party is protecting your interests and the Republican party is against them, but you are wrong. The Democratic party is selling you out to the Republicans, or rather, to the big corporations and finance capital. Obama is no real Democrat. We have not had a real Democratic president since Kennedy was assassinated. All presidents since then have done the will of the National Security State which is the muscle of the big bankers and finance capitalists. Our country is in the grip of these imperialists and we are headed for war, and Obama is taking us there even faster than Bush did. The militaries on all sides are lining up. WW III looms as Democrats and Republicans fiddle on the deck of the Titanic.
 
 
+9 # Observer 47 2012-08-29 20:57
I believe you speak the truth. Unfortunately, very few others will believe it, because the diehard Dems can be just as blind as the Rethugs. ALL of them have sold this country down the river; it's merely a matter of the faces they put on it.
 
 
+2 # m... 2012-08-30 01:24
I believe you. Obama is NOT who we all thought he was/would be... And.., I think the Democrats basically stand for nothing and are a spineless, go along to get along political franchise organization.
However--- It is the Money Interests Behind The Republican-Neo- Corporate-Conse rvatives who make up the engines and force behind the drive towards what can be best described as the END OF THE REPUBLIC FOR DOLLARS..!
 
 
+3 # mjc 2012-08-30 07:52
From what you have posted you are really voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket. Yeah, there is a lot that I wish Obama had tended to: health insurance that was universal, single-payer is the big one. Don't like the 30,000 surge of troops into Afghanistan but at least there is a sort of admission that we really should not be there. Romney/Ryan will NEVER say or even think that. Republicans are liars. Most of their depiction of Obama's administration is just not true. If you don't mind getting rid of Medicare, Medicaid, even Social Security, then vote this ticket. The consequences will be long term and this republic will become something more like a plutocracy with fascist tendencies.
 
 
+2 # m... 2012-08-30 09:26
Well, you can say whatever you IMAGINE about my voting choice.
But I'll just give you a hint just this one time as to how I am voting seeing as how you took the time to announce how I intend to vote and all.

ok..?

So here you go----> YOU'RE WRONG. :)

I can believe (and do) that the Republicans are walking, pathologically greedy-blind Republic Killers.
I can also believe that the Democrats have become a rather spineless, go-along to get-along Party which really does stand UP for very little against the very aggressive Rightwing Tide. And so, as there are fundamentally TWO PARTIES Dominating almost the entirety of the American Political scene, I can (and do) also believe that what has become so matte-of-fact referred to as 'Our Two Party System' as if it is set in Constitutional Stone instead of being the Machine-System it is that efforts constantly to keep all other Parties off the Political Stage and out of the Political Conversations-- is now so corrupted and dysfunctional, that I think unless the Democrats suddenly wake from whatever it is they're drinking themselves into a largely passive stupor with these past several decades- We are screwed, plain and simple.. Unless of course, about 30-50 million Americans have finally had a enough and feel they have nothing to lose in taking to the streets for a BIG WAKE-UP CALL.
I do not expect either party to change much for the 'Good' of what was once upon a time America.
 
 
+1 # mjc 2012-09-01 08:40
Then I gather that you won't object TOO much to Romney and Ryan being elected because "taking to the streets" isn't something many Americans are interested in...especially without any decent employment in sight. I'd rather take my chances with the Democrats, some of whom actually DO know how to fight the Teapublicans.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:28
Just make sure you vote!!
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:22
Righto mjc
 
 
+1 # GlennCaton 2012-09-01 15:17
The only solution will be the creation of a workers or labor party to run candidates at all level. In order to resist corruption, this party can have no paid positions, can not hire workers from labor contractors, can't use paid media, and can't support lifelong pols. It will be enormously difficult and will require that members campaign in the old fashioned way: knocking on the doors of their neighbors and telling them, in person, about what they believe. Members will need to also upport their beliefs on social networks and on blogs. This method will take patience and will require much sacrifice, but if you believe that the soul of the nation is at stake, what sacrifice can be too much? If you hate the corporate state, find businesses you CAN support, otherwise, do without. Until workers can effectively organize as a platform for real change, we must vote where it most counts, at the cash register. If you believe that financial security, for this nation, depends on full employment driving up worker's wages and, consequently, their buying power; stop buying imported goods!
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:30
Good point, but that is the Green Party. And they lost. And I hope that the Tea Party will drag the Republicans down likewise.
 
 
0 # mjc 2012-09-02 10:41
Cliff, the real truth is that the Tea Party IS the Republican Party these days. It is too late to address a third party choice. Two years ago, after the 2010 losses in Congress, was a good time to begin looking at a third party.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:21
There may be some truth to this. People can be bought off. Families threatened, etc. But at least the Dems start out with the truth, not some bull about drop the rules and trust us.
 
 
+10 # tonywicher 2012-08-29 19:37
The left wing thinks the corporations control the "mainstream media while the right wing complains about the liberal media. The media are really the propaganda organs of the national security state. Nothing that could harm the interests of the national security state can be found in the mass media, whether on Fox or on MSNBC. The same thing can be said of both presidential candidates.
 
 
+1 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:29
Please run for office.
 
 
+4 # tigerlille 2012-08-29 22:04
"We are not going to let our campaign be dictated by the fact finders."
Reminds me of that moronic yet classic line from Earl Landgrebe (Repub. of IN): "Don't confuse me with the facts."
 
 
+5 # bluemoonwoman 2012-08-30 06:33
If we go to war with Iran, there will be nuclear war, and we will find ourselves in the middle of Hell. No future then for any of our children, and the suffering will be beyond our imaginings. In some ways we have brought this on ourselves. We bought the illusion that our politicians " cared" about us and our country. Nope. We have been sold down the river for profit and power, and there is not one whit of concern for our lives or those of our children. We have brought untold suffering to different parts of the world and our karmic load is heavy. I say this with an incredible sense of sadness, because I do believe now-- that the suffering we have caused other people in other parts of the world will soon come to us, unless we change rather quickly and recognise this political election is an unbearable charade on both sides of the aisle. We have not been good stewards of the earth, our resources, or each other. This culture has become cold and heartless, and money seems to be the only thing we care about. When that happens, we are destined to be ruled by people who are also cold and heartless....an d that could be politicians in our country, or an occupier. Both possibilities loom large as potentialities.
 
 
+2 # freelyb 2012-08-30 16:29
Excellent. So true.
 
 
0 # tonywicher 2012-08-30 07:10
Hey, tigerlille = Here's a fact for you: the Twin Towers and World Trade Center Seven were demolished with high-tech explosives on 9/11/2001. Proof in abundance is provided by Richard Gage AIA, various eminent physicists and chemists and 1600 other architects and engineers at ae911truth.org. Care to check on it? I say if this fact became truly public, it would be the end of the national security state. This would require some courageous patriot high up in the administration or the military, if there is such a person, to call a press conference, dispute the government account of what happened on 9/11, and say what he does know. Is there one honest person who will do this?
 
 
+1 # tonywicher 2012-08-30 07:55
bluemoonwoman,

The truth about 9/11 could bring down the national security state. The facts are becoming better known all the time, especially thanks to Richard Gage AIA, a man of utmost integrity who has built an organization (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth) and a website (ae911truth.org ) that is a monument to the truth. After all, 9/11 is the psychological foundation for the whole War on Terror - the Patriot Act, the NDAA, Homeland Security, the TSA, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria - next Iran, then mushroom kaboom - none of this is possible without 9/11, and 9/11 was in fact a fraud, a crime perpetrated by the National Security State. Expose this in the "mainstream media", in the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN Fox and MSNBC, and the National Security State is toast. These are conditions of national emergency. Someone must have the patriotism and the courage to do this. Where is that person?
 
 
+2 # RICHARDKANEpa 2012-08-30 23:29
Meth feels good, the Republican convention climaxing with Romney pep talk was a real rush for those who want to be proud of themselves and of America.

But warning that pain killers can be dangerous won't do. We need real reasons to be proud of ourselves and the society we live in see,

The Republican High like pure Meth climaxing with Romney’s pep talk high

Which I submitted to this blog,
 
 
+1 # phrixus 2012-08-31 09:21
Thanks for having the stones to call it like it is and in no uncertain terms. Are Mitt's lips moving? Yes. Then he's lying.
 
 
-2 # parsmap 2012-08-31 10:07
Continue to live in your mythical world Bob and the Country will find itself like Califrnia, scratching a broke man's ass....
 
 
-1 # RMDC 2012-09-01 05:02
It would be a big help if the Democratic party were something that could be supported because of its own stand on the issues. But it is not much better than the republicans. The democrats are almost as much the party of war, banks, corporate fraud, crimes against humanity. All the democrats can claim is that they are not as bad as Romney and the republicans.

Don't vote for either party. It is time to begin the process of de-legitimizing both political parties. They are both controlled by the same oligarchs. There may be some better people in the Dem party. Obama is a much better human being than Romney or Ryan, but he is still evil.

The lesser of two evils is still evil. If no one votes for the two dominant parties, we can begin the process of dismantling their power. It will take several election cycles to do it, but it has to start some time.

Don't vote.
 
 
0 # Cliff 2012-09-01 19:35
If you are not going to vote, you really should move to another country.

If the Republicans take over again, I will.
 

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