Cohen writes: "Increasingly, Democrats are making the argument that the real culprit for the country's economic woes lies in a more discrete location: with the Republican Party."
The Republican Party's Congressional leadership (left to right): Senate Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, and House Speaker John Boehner. (photo: Alex Brandon/AP)
Did Republicans Deliberately Crash the US Economy?
10 June 12
Be it ideology or stratagem, the GOP has blocked pro-growth policy and backed job-killing austerity - all while blaming Obama.
o why does the US economy stink?
Why has job creation in America slowed to a crawl? Why, after several months of economic hope, are things suddenly turning sour? The culprits might seem obvious - uncertainty in Europe, an uneven economic recovery, fiscal and monetary policymakers immobilized and incapable of acting. But increasingly, Democrats are making the argument that the real culprit for the country's economic woes lies in a more discrete location: with the Republican Party.
In recent days, Democrats have started coming out and saying publicly what many have been mumbling privately for years - Republicans are so intent on defeating President Obama for re-election that they are purposely sabotaging the country's economic recovery. These charges are now being levied by Democrats such as Senate majority leader Harry Reid and Obama's key political adviser, David Axelrod.
For Democrats, perhaps the most obvious piece of evidence of GOP premeditated malice is the 2010 quote from Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell:
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
Such words lead some to the conclusion that Republicans will do anything, including short-circuiting the economy, in order to hurt Obama politically. Considering that presidents - and rarely opposition parties - are held electorally responsible for economic calamity, it's not a bad political strategy.
Then again, it's a hard accusation to prove: after all, one person's economic sabotage is another person's principled anti-government conservatism.
Beyond McConnell's words, though, there is circumstantial evidence to make the case. Republicans have opposed a lion's share of stimulus measures that once they supported, such as a payroll tax break, which they grudgingly embraced earlier this year. Even unemployment insurance, a relatively uncontroversial tool for helping those in an economic downturn, has been consistently held up by Republicans or used as a bargaining chip for more tax cuts. Ten years ago, prominent conservatives were loudly making the case for fiscal stimulus to get the economy going; today, they treat such ideas like they're the plague.
Traditionally, during economic recessions, Republicans have been supportive of loose monetary policy. Not this time. Rather, Republicans have upbraided Ben Bernanke, head of the Federal Reserve, for even considering policies that focus on growing the economy and creating jobs.
And then, there is the fact that since the original stimulus bill passed in February of 2009, Republicans have made practically no effort to draft comprehensive job creation legislation. Instead, they continue to pursue austerity policies, which reams of historical data suggest harms economic recovery and does little to create jobs. In fact, since taking control of the House of Representatives in 2011, Republicans have proposed hardly a single major jobs bill that didn't revolve, in some way, around their one-stop solution for all the nation's economic problems: more tax cuts.
Still, one can certainly argue - and Republicans do - that these steps are all reflective of conservative ideology. If you view government as a fundamentally bad actor, then stopping government expansion is, on some level, consistent.
So, let's put aside the conspiracy theories for a moment, and look more closely at how the country is faring under the GOP's economic leadership.
As Paul Krugman wrote earlier this week, in the New York Times, while a Democrat rests his head each night in the White House, the United States is currently operating with a Republican economy. After winning the House of Representatives in 2010, the GOP brokered a deal to keep the Bush tax cuts in place, which has reduced the tax burden as a percentage of GDP to its lowest point since Harry Truman sat in the White House. At the insistence of the White House, Congress also agreed to extend unemployment benefits and enact a payroll tax cut - measures that provided a small but important stimulus to the economy, but above all, maintained the key GOP position that taxes must never go up.
But as Congress giveth, Congress also taketh. The GOP's zealotry on tax cuts is only matched by its zealotry in pursuing austerity policies. In the spring of 2011, federal spending cuts forced by Republican legislators took much-needed money out of the economy: combined with the 2012 budget, it has largely counteracted the positive benefits provided by the 2009 stimulus.
Subsequently, the GOP's refusal to countenance legislation that would help states with their own fiscal crises (largely, the result of declining tax revenue) has led to massive public sector layoffs at the state and local level. In fact, since Obama took office, state and local governments have shed 611,000 jobs; and by some measures, if not for these jobs, cuts the unemployment rate today would be closer to 7%, not its current 8.2%. In 2010 and 2011, 457,00 public sector jobs were excised; not coincidentally, at the same time, much of the federal stimulus aid from 2009 ran out. And Republicans took over control of Congress.
These cuts have a larger societal impact. When teachers are laid off, for example (and nearly 200,000 have lost their jobs), it means larger class sizes, other teachers being overworked and after-school classes being cancelled. So, ironically, a policy that is intended to save "our children and grandchildren" from "crushing debt" is leaving them worse-prepared for the actual economic and social challenges they will face in the future. In addition, with states operating under tighter fiscal budgets - and getting no hope relief from Washington - it means less money for essential government services, like help for the elderly, the poor and the disabled.
This is the most obvious example of how austerity policies are not only harming America's present, but also imperilling its future. And these spending cuts on the state and local level are matched by a complete lack of fiscal expansion on the federal level. In fact, fiscal policy is now a drag on the recovery, which is the exact opposite of how it should work, given a sluggish economy.
This collection of more-harm-than-good policies must also include last summer's debt limit debacle, which House speaker John Boehner has threatened to renew this year. This was yet another GOP initiative that undermined the economic recovery. According to economists Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers, "over the entire episode, confidence declined more than it did following the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc in 2008." Only after the crisis did the consumer confidence stabilize, but employers "held back on hiring, sapping momentum from a recovery that remains far too fragile." In addition, the debt limit deal also forced more unhelpful spending cuts on the country.
Since that national embarrassment, Republicans have refused to even allow votes on President Obama's jobs bill in the Senate; they dragged their feet on the aforementioned payroll tax and even now are holding up a transportation bill with poison-pill demands for the White House on environmental regulation.
Yet, with all these tales of economic ineptitude emanating from the GOP, it is Obama who is bearing most of the blame for the country's continued poor economic performance.
Whether you believe the Republicans are engaging in purposely destructive fiscal behavior or are simply fiscally incompetent, it almost doesn't matter. It most certainly is bad economic policy and that should be part of any national debate not only on who is to blame for the current economic mess, but also what steps should be taken to get out from underneath it.
But don't hold your breath on that happening. Presidents get blamed for a bad economy; and certainly, Republicans are unlikely to take responsibility for the country's economic woes. The obligation will be on Obama to make the case that it is the Republicans, not he, who is to blame - a difficult, but not impossible task.
In the end, that might be the worst part of all - one of two major political parties in America is engaging in scorched-earth economic policies that are undercutting the economic recovery, possibly on purpose, and is forcing job-killing austerity measures on the states. And they have paid absolutely no political price for doing so. If anything, it won them control of the House in 2010, and has kept win Obama's approval ratings in the political danger zone. It might even help them get control of the White House.
Sabotage or not, it's hard to argue with "success" - and it's hard to imagine we've seen the last of it, whoever wins in November.
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“If there were ever a time when Tom Udall and Jeff Merkley were prophetic, it’s tonight,” Reid said on the floor. “These two young, fine senators said it was time to change the rules of the Senate, and we didn’t. They were right. The rest of us were wrong — or most of us, anyway. What a shame.”
Reid added: “If there were anything that ever needed changing in this body, it’s the filibuster rules, because it’s been abused, abused, abused.”
-Harry Reid
Just tell me what they really think is important to American families besides jobs? ...cause we ain't creatin' any of those either.
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1) Infrastructure replacement and repair (in support of private industry);
2) Recapitalizatio n of public education
(desired by virtually every form of private industry, particularly high tech);
3) Increased hiring of police, fire fighters, teachers.
(part of govt. "defense" obligation, also public safety, necessary to efficiently conduct private business - less costly and more productive than prisons, desired by virtually every form of private industry, particularly high tech).
And why did you exclude jobs for your question? Jobs are the issue in question.
Finally, I don't want to tax the rich. I think the Shrub tax expenditures were a huge error that should lapse entirely.
If you take a look at U.S. economic history you will notice that, in general, the economy was best at the times the top marginal tax rate and total tax collections were highest. In essence low taxation is tied to a declining standard of living for the vast majority of Americans.
Sure the democrats are far from perfect, but they are not DELIBERATELY trying to sink the country, and they sure did NOT do that, when W was in the White House.
The opposition party is always doing some foot dragging because they don't want the party in power to seem totally successful. But this is waaaaay beyond foot dragging.
Working to sink the economy is sickening, it is UNPATRIOTIC, AND I AM AFRAID TOO MANY OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS DO NOT REALIZE WHAT IS GOING ON.
With a media that is mainly right wing owned, I don't know how we can make the average Americans understand what is happening.
And there is preciously little time for them to find out.
But the right wingers who are KILLING OUR ECONOMY, are doing so ON PURPOSE. WITH MALICE AND FORETHOUGHT. They definitely mean to do so.
They ought to be prosecuted, for it sure is criminal what they are doing.
Working to sink the economy is sickening, it is UNPATRIOTIC, AND Quoting X Dane:
Please take a look at my response (two posts) to Barbara K. You may revise your opinion about who owes whom the apology.
jlohman is correct in that there was a window to change the rules. First session of a new Congress...but the super majority rule allows the minority party to gum of the works, and the Dems feared losing both houses...
We The People should demand that the Senate restore the one enumerated power of the Veep on all votes.
Also restore the filibuster to it's original standard and make the filibusting Senators stand up and hold the floor. Putting a "hold" type filibuster is just a cheap trick.
The economy was killed earlier by feds keeping the interest rates so low under Bush practically guaranteeing a housing bubble burst under the following president, sending the economy in the toilet for an entire (Democratic) administration. Too bad the Dems can't plan for more tha a month when they are up against Repubes that are looking down the road 20 years.
140 million Americans are negatively affected by the Wall Street securitization Ponzi scheme and it has cost our country $600 TRILLION and none of you or your collective band of Democrats even acknowledge Wall Street reform on your websites let alone stand up in public and call attention to the massive fraud. Senator Levin's investigation is about as close as it came...and you, Ms. Pelosi, did nothing to champion his findings.
The Democrat House and Senate have helped turn President Obama into the Grinch while the Republican core group of Mr. Potters plot to take over our country. It's not Obama's fault that you can't get your party to travel and talk to the media and the public in a pack...or maybe it is.
I must agree. I believe the Democrats are as biased, self centered, greed motivated as the GOP. I saw a group called the Dems4Change .... where are they? did they merge with the TP because most were the same snobs who had no idea of what middle America or poor need. Most were Social Bimbo and Bimbettes, I know I was going to work for Democrats with Ob but these snobs refused in a Depression County to go talk with the people. With no jobs they brought in out of State Workers as did Democrats allow out of State Contractors for Construction that should have been Union.
Afraid the 41 are as misguided or blind as the sheeple, that is what they all want.
They sure as hell did, Barbara K. It is SO hard to believe so many people still believe in these sociopaths who don't give a damn who they hurt as long as they get their way. That "Make O a one-term pres" said it all, and their voting record since then just confirms it. WHY can't people understand this???
I have never been as frustrated in my entire life as when thinking about this situation and trying to understand it. I know racism is a big part of it, but I just can't believe that's the whole story. It must be a deadly combination of racism, ignorance, gullibility...w ho knows what else. But aside from that, we also have to remember that the evil Diebold machines can and are being manipulated to make the vote whatever the repugs want it to be.
Add all those factors together, and the best we can hope for is an overwhelmingly huge turn-out voting Dem in Nov, seems to me.
It is absolutely clear that the goal of the repubicans is to wreck effective government. They don't believe in it -- except for the Pentagon, CIA, and police. They believe those agencies can operate just fine as the sum total of government.
But this is the bigger picture. Obama did not help himself by bringing into his administration the very same people who caused the banking crash in the first place -- the key guy here was Larry Summers, the architect of the banking and investment de-regulations in the 90s. Obama could have fired Fed chair Bernake. There's a lot Obama could have done but didn't because Obama is a neo-liberal just like the repubicans are. He does not subscribe to the wrecking of government but he does subscribe to neo-liberal capitalism which is the same thing.
It really cuts to the core of the Constitution and the enlightenment, the idea that we have inalienable rights, or even that God presides in some way over the world, even thought the profess to be religious.
They seek the justify permanent power and ownership of the world and domination of nature and man - when they clearly do not deserve and cannot manage either.
Lolanne, take the hatred for Clinton and double or triple it because of the racism. (1) The Dems had a peanut farmer from GA, a guy from AR whose father was a drunk, and now a Black man who spent a lot of his time with the poor in South Chicago. The GOP - who don't believe any of these guys should have been president - has a class complex. They look down their noses at the poor and middle-class folks in their own party. Consider their succession: a California governor, a rich oil man, the oil man's son, and now a businessman worth $250 Million. (2) The Norquist factor. People laughed when this unelected dunderhead said, "I just want to shrink gov't down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." He meant it and this new Congress, who signed his "no new taxes" pledge, is carrying out his wishes. In his speech at CPAC 2012 he said Romney would be just a puppet signing congressional legislation. (3) The Ayn Rand factor. Paul Ryan is a believer in this sociopathic atheist and makes his staff read her books. Check her out.
These idiotic lemmings have definitely tanked our economy on purpose.
Didn't have enough symbols left to go into detail, but this woman was a piece of work. After railing against all gov't programs most of her life, she ended up using Soc Sec and Medicare before she died. How could any self-respecting patriotic Christian - isn't that what all Republicans are? - fall under the spell of this hypocritical atheistic piece of trash?
doneasley: Yes, all those things you mentioned are factors. And they all fall into the "ignorance" category, IMO. Seems to me anybody of reasonable intelligence ought to be able to READ enough to learn facts instead of swallowing propaganda hook, line and sinker. Maybe a lot of it is apathy -- we're all so busy trying to eke out a living and playing with our electronic toys there's no time left for actually learning anything. And I have read Ayn Rand, many years ago when I was young and naive. Even then, though, I didn't just swallow the poison -- I just thought the books were good reads.
I know "what else"--immorali ty.
Republicans stated their top goal: 'Make Obama a one-term president.' In concert with their actions they've revealed the depth of their moral problem: their refusal to put country above politics.
Only people getting raises are CEO's and Politicians
Correct me if wrong - and I'm sure you will! - but I don't think the line item veto was ever passed into law. Debated yes, but ultimately the "other side" (going both ways) didn't want that power in the hands of the opposing party. Just think what power would be lost! No more tax cuts for the wealthy or giveaways to the powerful hidden in otherwise routine and innocuous pieces of legislation! Why, it's possible the debacle over the debt ceiling wouldn't have been a debacle at all. Where's the fun?
If Obama were Republican, those monuments would go up, white or not. If he were white they'd still be looking for a way to prevent his success. Look what happened to Clinton. The "race card" has simply been a handy divisive tool, appealing to our baser qualities - GOP, undecided, or Dem. Not that there aren't plenty of people out there for whom that "dog whistle" works... and yes, I think Obama could have, and should have, done much more - particularly in terms of using the "bully pulpit" to reach directly to the public. Instead he tried to deal. Foolish, and with tragic consequences.
Who is more likely to help you in a pinch?
Who is less likely to help you without an attractive incentive present?
These are core qualities we are talking about here. Everything else branches from there.
After Obama won the pres in Nov in 2008 & the Senate, at the same time, took on a heavy Dem majority of 60 votes, once the new admin took affect in Jan of 2009, Obama and the Dems could've totally nullified the filibuster by invoking the nuclear option in which case, a simple majority vote of 51 votes, not 60+ votes, would've only been required to pass any Bill that the Dems wanted passed as well as approving any judge for the fed bench over the complaints & objections of the obstructionist Repubs.
Please tell me what exactly didn't Obama & the Congressional Dems not fully understand about Mitch McConnell's threat in Jan of 2009, once Obama took office, of making sure that Obama would only a one-term president? Anyone at the time with any kind of brain & common sense should've known that the Repubs were going to do everything & anything in their power to block everything & anything that the Obama admin wanted passed that could've have helped and improve the life of the common man in this country.
Let me assure you beyond the shadow of any doubt that if Romney wins in Nov & the Senate becomes Repub, that the filibuster will go the way of the Do-Do bird if the Dems were to actually grow huevos & use the filibuster in the same way the Repubs did against them.
My point, Barbara K, is that Obama & the Senate Dems should have immediately, once they got into office, invoked the nuclear option & nullified the filibuster as a weapon that the Repubs could use to block anything that the Dems wanted passed. Unfortunately, Obama didn't but the Repubs will if they win both the presidency & the Senate this Fall.
It doesn't require 60 votes to invoke the nuclear option to kill the filibuster. All it requires is for the majority party in the Senate to have a simple majority of 51 votes to kill the filibuster which means that the Senate Dems, theoretically speaking, can, even today, invoke the nuclear option to kill the filibuster. Unfortunately, to do so today would be a complete waste of time now that the House of Representatives is under very heavy control by the Repubs.
I wasn't arguing in my post about how much of a majority the Dems had in the Senate after the 2008 presidential election, whether it be 60 votes or 58 votes or whatever the number was.
What I do know as an absolute certainty is that GWB did in fact send Senator Arlen Specter to threaten Harry Reid with the so-called nuclear option that would have completely nullified the filibuster when the Supreme Court openings came up if the Democrats were planning on filibustering GWB's choices. It was all over the news. Even GWB at the time couldn't bend the rules. The threat shook the Senate Democrats enough for them to cave in to GWB's threats of killing the filibuster. So, please explain to me why GWB thought that he could get away with it while the Senate Democrats cannot.
If what you say is accurate and true, then why didn't any one of the Democratic Senators put a block on any and all of GWB's heinous Bills like the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA Bill? When you say they put a block on a Bill, I'm assuming that you're talking about a filibuster which can be broken with a 60+ vote in the Senate.
As I've said, I'm somewhat confused and would be grateful if you could explain what you are talking about.
o When GWB's heinous Bills came up for a vote in Congress, Bills like the Patriot Act, the Mil Commissions Act, & the FISA Bill, Bills that destroyed our Constitution & our Bill of Rights, that any single Dem Senator, just one, could've put a permanent block on that Bill preventing its passage. Is that correct?
o If Mitt Romney were to win the election in Nov & if the Repubs were to take control of the Senate, even by a number greater than 59 votes, which would nullify the Dems capability to mount a filibuster, that one single Dem Senator could still, right up front, initiate a block on any Bill that would prevent its passage by the repubs, even if they had a super-majority in the Senate. Is that correct?
o Are you telling me that when a session begins & the Senate Rules are being taken up, that any one Dem Senator can guarantee that the filibuster rules can never be changed to weaken its power to stop legislation, or to prevent any single Dem Senator from putting a block on another Bill like the Patriot Act. Is that correct?
Then please explain to me how GWB could've carried out his threat of killing the filibuster, & how all of GWB's heinous Bills ever got passed in the U.S. Senate if only one Patriotic Dem Senator could've blocked them.
I would be very interested in your answers. It doesn't say very much for the Dems.
The answer is "Yes," that there was not one decent Democratic Senator or decent independent Senator for that matter, like Senator Bernie Sanders, who could see Bush's agenda and was willing to put a block on these unconstitutiona l Bills. That makes me even angrier than I was before against the Congressional Democrats.
Barbara K, how do you feel about that? How do you feel that not one Democratic Senator would put a block on these Bills that destroyed our civil rights and our civil liberties?
And, you haven't answered my question concerning how Bush's threat against the Democrats, when the Republicans controlled the Senate, of invoking the nuclear option to nullify the filibuster when it could have only been done at the very beginning of the session when the Senate Rules are discussed, a session in which any one of the Democratic Senators could have put an easy block on it. Can you please explain that to me? Why did the Democrats go into panic mode when this threat came up if Bush didn't have the power to do it?
Nope. In addition to the illness of Senators Byrd and Kennedy, Al Franken was not sworn in until July 2009, thanks to the Repigs' demands for constant recounting in their attempts to prove he didn't really win his close election.
I beg to differ with you, X Dane, but the facts are these; McConnell made that threat twice, the very first time was right after Obama took office in January of 2009.
As much as I want to "dislike" your post, I think you have voiced a very unpleasant truth. The Dems, for whatever reason, continue to cling to "old style" politics (you know, the quaint olde kind in which debates are held, and then elected representatives come to compromises, however imperfect, for the good of the country). Against a GOP that votes as a phalanx and answers, not to the voting public but to Grover Norquist, this hasn't got a prayer. No compromise is going to come from that, EVER - only capitulation. You hit it on the head re: moral corruption among the GOP - any Republican not willing to toe that line is summarily rousted out of the party. Yet the Dems don't seem to be able, or willing, to get their message together, tell the truth about this to the public, and join the fight. It's almost that old adage - if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything. And O's failure to use the bully pulpit to make his case directly to the voters... well... like I said, I don't want to agree with you, but I'm afraid I have to.
Republicans threaten poor and middle income people with the economy, the very people who get them elected.
Democrats do not have an agenda, they do not have an narrative, they do not work together like Repulicans, and they have very peculiar set of values and beliefs.
Democrats talk about freedom, fairness, liberty, but they do not seem to care about it really, like for people in other countries. They talk about getting rid of the US military, but they never think it through what a massive change like that would mean to the world.
They attack Israel while seeming to give aid and assurance to some of the most despicable governments in the world.
This is either the media mis-characteriz ation of the Democrats or a fault in Democrats themselves.
Progressivism is deliberately undermined by people in the media as well. Democrat's message it is most often explained by the minority, setting up a racist connection and implied threat to white mainstream voters that they will lose if they back a Democratic agenda.
It is very subtle, even subliminal, but it is consistent and perceptible.
One of the problem is that there are no forums that are not poisoned or controlled in order for calm and rational discussion to happen and real facts and ideas to come out.
I'd disagree with that. I think what strikes some as peculiar is that they don't have peculiar values and beliefs. You can never demonstrate values or beliefs as being true, so clinging to them in the face of reality only demonstrates that you're a pathetic ideologue.
>"They talk about getting rid of the US military"<
Seriously...who talks about getting rid of the US military?? Where do you come up with this?? Tell me who is saying that?? I'm as liberal as anybody here, and my own son is a Green Beret. Nobody I know of advocates "getting rid" of the US Military.
>"They attack Israel while seeming to give aid and assurance to some of the most despicable governments in the world."<
Nobody has "attacked" Israel. We have however gotten rid of the Libyan dictator, supported the Arab Spring, and advocated democracy in those countries.
>"This is either the media mis-characteriz atio n of the Democrats or a fault in Democrats themselves."<
Considering the power and reach of media outlets like Fox News, and right wing radio...what do you think it is?
It's the same with Liberals, and most Liberals do not realize it. They see no need to authenticate, or vet other Liberals.
Some are Liberals because they want help for them, but could care less for others.
Some are Liberals because they need to appeal to a wide audience and seem "nice" because they have something to sell.
Some are Liberals because they hate Israel.
That is why there is no coherent Liberal movement or philosohpy any longer - it has been a dumping ground for sad sacks in a way.
Liberals want the rich to pay more taxes, but in general, my feeling is if many of them won the lottery the next day they would become Republicans.
I really have a lot of friends that are like this, they really have no philosophy, their politics is dictated by their personal need - not their ideas of right and wrong and morality.
Of course, not all of them. Not me for instance, I am a staunch Liberal/Progres sive and always will be. I just feel I am in the trenches with half-hearted cynics.
Do you think the Republicans give a damn about the minorities?? There is a reason why they vote Democratic. Why would they vote against their own interests. Republicans marginalize them from the rest of society. Where do you think they're going to go?
>"setting up a racist connection and implied threat to white mainstream voters"<
They already know about the racist connection and implied threat to white mainstream voters. Racism was embedded into our constitution. Article 1. Sec.2. Article 1. Sec. 9, and Articlle 4. Sec. 2. Republicans love to wave the constitution, and its embedded racism in everyones face. White mainstream voters feel threatened because of their own racist tendency's. They fear the loss of a White Supremacy in this country.
Yes and no. Yes, if they are rich or can be used, but not in general.
My point was that when you paint every mention of Liberalism or economic justice with a minority face you end up stigmatizing the movement to many white people - enough white people to nudge a marginal number over to the other side.
Look at what happened in 2004 … when it looked like Democrats were going to win the whole gay marriage thing started up with Gavin Newsom marrying gays in San Francisco.
That infuriated people, and there was no point to it. It does not need to be injected in a President election - and it was done by a FAKE Democrat.
You have to be smarted than to just knee jerk a Liberal Line that was written by Republicans - be your own person.
succinctly put, if Romney is elected, he and the Repugs will turn around and do EVERYTHING that Obama is trying to do; their racism is getting harder and harder to hide even though they are couching it in 'politics'. yeah, right...
Romney is the Republican version of Obama - this is what we are going to get from now on - never a real choice, never a deep factual discussion. Just distracting nonsense.
Republicans have been doing this since Nixon and Kissinger derailed the Paris Peace Talks, prolonging the Vietnam war and killing many thousands more people, in order to win the election. Johnson knew but didn't say anything because he thought it would tear the country apart. Gore didn't speak up when the Republican Supreme Court stole the 2000 election, because he thought it would tear the country apart. Democrats are still not speaking up, while Republicans ruin the economy and steal and buy elections. The country has already been torn apart by filthy Republican tactics. When are the Democrats going to speak up and fight back and stand up for something, after we have no country left?
At every instant he has been on the side of Wall Street, because he is in bed with them and attached to their money tit as tightly as could be imagined. He is as much of a criminal as any of the "Republicans". He has fully demonstrated himself to be continuing and expanding the heinous and treasonous policies of Bush II, and to be bent on accruing and abusing power, essentially turning the nation into a tyranny. Sitting around drawing up "kill lists" and pressing for legislation enabling eternal imprisonment of whomever he wants, whenever he wants, proves this.
Just because "Liberals" refuse to believe and countenance these atrocities, does not eliminate the fact that he is perpetrating of them. He, like his predecessors, is a very dangerous monster, even more so because the people who would be screaming their heads off if a "Republican" performed these actions, refuse to act when our appalling tyrant-in-train ing "liberal Democrat" president engages in them.
YES, YES, YES!!! ONLY public funding of campaigns and total campaign reform will CHANGE America's politics for the better. We have a bunch of life-time milk toast moochers running our government on both sides. They won't change the status quo because they'd be out of a job.
Thumbs up people - unless you recognize the problem - you can't begin to fix it.
Boy, don't I wish! Any thoughts about the chances this has? McCain-Feingold got its teeth completely pulled, then Citizens United came along, and on both sides, speaking out against the "elephant in the living room" is a great way to lose your next election to a well-financed Tea Partier. Even when you DO recognize the problem it's going to be damned hard to fix it. I'm convinced that the only realistic way to do this is to start at the local level, electing progressives to local, then state positions, and nurturing them along WHILE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC about basic economics and civics, not the smoke-and-mirro rs kind being so freely flung about by the GOP and their mouthpieces. But even then, this is a decades-long proposition, and I shudder to think what will be left of the country for 99% of its citizens by then.
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Easy to recount if needed.
Maybe they just did what they usually do, stole another election through shadowy election machines.
You are absolutely right, Robert B. In psychological terms, they project their own shadow (the evil in their own souls) onto others. It's pretty much inevitable that they have come to this, since they've been so blinded by greed and lust for power for so long they have completely buried their own darkness. After a while, what is buried in the Shadow simply takes over. I think that's what has happened to the R party. The party was not always like this.
Another thing we will never get money out of elections until the wealthy are so short of money they will not feel like spending any on elections. RAISE their taxes!
Obama, the murderer-in-chi ef, sitting around drawing up kill lists, idolizes Reagan and has continued and very dangerously amplified the polices of Bush II. Apparently you're unwilling to even see that.
I saw your comment on another RSN article/essay and was very taken with what you had to say. I wondered why I hadn't seen your comments before. I even wondered if you were in actuality another Robert who likes to invade our space with right wing drivel. I thought maybe that Robert was just having fun playing "devil's advocate"...but your comment today puts that idea to rest. My project now is to embroider this small paragraph that you submitted today and put it on display in a place of prominence. Until I get this done, I will copy and paste your comment and send it to all my fellow Progressives as well as a couple of my more tolerant right wingers.
How about Korea, Nam esp Agent O? None of them are any good and we allow it, we cheer our troops and now they are killing themselves daily...guess our service people are trying to tell us all something
No one is listening certainly not the Military who has supplied the Drones
This isn't an unconscious strategy, either. Take your worst flaw and accuse your opponent of it, forcing them into an untenable position. It's the old "when did you stop beating your wife" question - no matter how it's answered, the ugliness is out there, clinging to you, and the truth doesn't matter. Rove, Inc. developed this into an art and used it to great effect in the Bush v. Kerry election, giving us a new verb we would ALL have been better off without: "swift-boating. "
I would change your wording. True "democratic believers" rather than "patriots"...th ere are patriots on both sides of the aisle, but the Republican Party and its apparatus sure do seem to lean towards dis-enfranchisi ng people.
How's that lasery, focusy, jobs thingey working out
for ya there John?
As long as they never come out and "say" any of those things you've mentioned, they will merely reiterate that they "never said any of it" instead of addressing the accusation. In black or white dualistic thinkers, if it isn't 100% accurate, it just isn't true. Well 99% true may not be good enough for lethal injection but it is good enough for life without parole. Boot the Republicans and organize the Democrats and let's fix this country.
Remember when Republican Alan Greenspan and the GOP Fed INTENTIONALLY destroyed the stock market in the spring of 2000? That was to stop the roaring economy, and thus stop the Democrats. And it worked!
For the past two years they have done it again. And it's worked! Duh...
Republicans see the economy as a limp balloon. Squeeze it and you deprive sections of it of air, while other sections bulge. And they are smart enough to take advantage of the bulge--whatever or wherever it is!
The problem with Democrats is they think Republicans think like they do. They don't!
And they don't care if their economic actions hurt you. Repeat, for the real dummies out there: THEY DON'T CARE IF THEIR ECONOMIC ACTIONS HURT YOU--IN THEIR BOOK, IT'S NEVER ABOUT YOU.
And what do we do? Bury our heads like a bunch of ostriches and whine because we're afraid the banks and the fed won't give any financial support. Even my own Congresswomen fail to address the Wall Street issues in their mass emails. When is the last time you saw your Dem Rep. discuss auditing the federal reserve? Just think what it would be like if they collectively began to prote the concept. www.deadlyclear.com
We don't need anymore Centrists - it isn't working and the Dems are not rounding up the votes as you can see by the polls that are consistently dropping.
Bernie Sanders is an Independent for a reason. You can harp all day long vote Democrat, vote Democrat... But in the end, just like Wisconsin - we've given the majority of people, the people we need, nothing to vote for and they will not stand for more of the same.
Tell me why it took an Independent and not a Democrat to uncover this crap? Probably because Bernie doesn't need to take money from Wall Street.
The answer is simple - he already knew where it was going!
This is absolutely true. They seem astonished that the Repugs are so intractable. And of course they think that playing their game will work, when the Repugs change the rules of their own game at every opportunity. There are no rules to their game. It's winner take all, and anything is fair, and they will use a scorched earth policy if they need to to gain the White House and power. If you are in their way, they will roll right over you.
Democrats need to fully understand and grasp the fact that the Repugs aren't interested in democracy at all. That isn't what they are about. They want a Plutocracy. Dems need to quit attempting to "play nice" with people that are willing to kill you to get their way. The lessons of Germany in the 1930's seems to have been forgotten.
Problem with Democrats is they may believe the Thugs think. that is an impossibility
for a clone
Then look at the financial disclosures for your judges and legislators and see how much money they have invested in the banks and mutual funds that hold tons of bank shares. It is more than an appearance of impropriety.
It’s not that their hands are tied – they are compromised.
Very good rift.
I think this is the death of the human being and the engineering of a prole "product", throwaway laborers, all done very precisely and easily with computers that can recall and manage a different relationship with every person based on and managed from the top. In business the idea is called CRM, customer relations management, but it is just a database on which many queries and apps can be run to determine how best to exploit every individual.
OB then wants to be nice guy like Clinton...shoul d have cleansed DC
Wake up and smell the elephant shit.
http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Boy....do I like that one Tom. I was thing of, at my own expense of printing up some bumper stickers "Wake up and smell the Elephant Fart".(it's killing you).
Would that be o.k. w/you? I'm trying to turn Arizona Blue in place w/nothing but redneck.
"Ain't the Blue Cheese your smelling upon entering Wisconsin, our Cheese isn't rotten'
If you do it let us all know You could probably get Unions to help produce some and help the groups and yourself....
And George Bush came from somewhere? The "C" student who failed at everything he ever did in spite of all the help he got from his influential daddy ? The "moron" who couldn't even speak "standard english?...oh I forgot; he's white; so he is obviously constitutionall y immune from stupidity and the "nothingness" of being. And btw Goerge bush was in total control in the white house....of course! ha!!!
Clintons Waltzing with the boys didn't impress me, it doesn't now with OB
We may need OB but I prefer Biden. I want only new faces. NO MORE LONG TERMS Judges also out out out after ten years max. Full disclosure on all
Some of us remember that the Lord reminded us that if we pay our selves on our backs in this life, ex bragging, then expect no such award in the next life. These 1% ain't taken it with them either, their kids do not care on on
Then there was the "housing bubble". Developers dumped huge amounts of money into housing developments and yuppies bought three houses apiece, both believing them to be "sure things" investment-wise . No one seems to have realized that the average home buyer has no need for three homes and so, when the supply exceeded demand.... A lot of short-sighted people banked their retirement money on stupid real estate speculation.
Related to that are the various bank and brokerage collapses. Some of that was due to people taking out loans for the aforementioned multiple houses, some due to banks handing out loans to people who could not possibly repay, and some to outright fraud. Where are the prosecutions? Americans want their money back.
All this happened while Ds and Rs changed places in Washington several times, and chances are it will continue. Both parties point fingers and neither is interested in solving the problem, each so they can blame it on the other.
We might as well realize that the only way to fix this is to take away what makes these people have so much power - that is their money. We need a kind of economic reset in this country, and probably the world.
So, will your friends still vote GOP in November?
In America you have to be either a wealthy crook or decidedly stupid to call yourself a "conservative". What do you want to conserve?..your privileges?, if you are middle or working class you have NONE except that of skin color( if you are white). Other than that, if you are not wealthy and you call yourself a conservative, you are beyond stupid. If your friends are conservative and middle class they are definitely stupid...real stupid..like "blinking idiots"
Have you guys forgotten that NEARLY ALL LEGISLATION passed in the last three years was totally without Republicans, or nearly without Republicans?
I guess you guys DON'T pay attention to facts ... the spin and the propaganda is so much easier to swallow... you know .. say a lie three times and people begin to believe it!
Well, when a government spends more than it has coming in to fill the coffers ... damn straight something is wrong. PUBLIC SECTOR NEEDS PRIVATE SECTOR TO PAY FOR IT. Obama got that whole thing backwards backing and putting money FIRST towards Unions and Public sector!
READ'EM and WEEP! Democrats Screwed the POOCH ECONOMICALLY and KILLED so much small business .. the result is... guess what ... economy in the crapper! Oh well .. FACT BEAT SPIN every single time!
Me? I think Bush's portarait should hang over the 4500+ American military personnel gravesites with a benevolent smile on his face since he got what he wanted. The guy who wanted to kill his daddy.
Never have so many died for a revenge plan.And we are still paying the deal off. Go figure you Republican patriots.
If you suspected you had participated in a Ponzi scheme, would you continue to participate - or would you call an attorney, the FBI, or the DOJ? And if you did continue to participate would you be aiding and abetting criminal activity? Think about it - this is exactly where we are these days - and no one seems to be passing any laws or indictments to stop the financial terrorism.
The only good thing about Republicans, if there is any - is that in the end they eat their own.
Still, as much as I would hate to see Mitt Romney as president, the matter has been taken out of my hands by the requirement that I vote for Barack Obama. I cannot vote for an evil, be it the lesser of two. Obama is a destroyer of my Bill of Rights, a presidential assassin, war criminal, protector of frauds, prosecutor of benevolent whistle-blowers , killer of innocent civilians, . . . , worst president so far.
Now Romney may outdo him, but there is nothing I can do to prevent it. I cannot vote for an evil of any degree.
I gave up a long time ago thinking that any Republicans actually cared about the poor or working class stiff. They are narcassistic sociopaths who care only about the bottom line-profits for their donor class. The lack of, or incapability to care for others (one's own family excluded)is a clear example of being sociopathic. The prisons are full of such people-but those are the ones without money. The ones out here running the show as Masters of the Universe are running free-a very scary thought indeed.
Think about their vote to go to war and the many re-funding votes to once again use their credit card to fight an unnecessary war.
82 House DEMs and 29 Senate DEMs voted YES on the Iraq War resolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Think about their desperate comments as they prefaced their voted to bail-out the banks.
40 DEMs in the Senate (33 GOP) voted YES
172 DEMS in the House (91 GOP) voted YES.
We have a one-headed Congress intent on doing the bidding of the corporate state at all costs to the American people.
So-called free trade is actually forcing US manufacturers, laden with a pile of unfunded mandates, to try to compete with manufacturers who have none of these mandated expenses. So yes, it's sabotage, but even O'Bomber is signing so-called "free trade agreements" and bullshitting us that they will "create jobs"... So, there's plenty of blame to go 'round. Yet, still, you're all behaving as if this were a football game and feverishly rooting for your favourite teams... You should be tarring, feathering and running out of town most of the adherents to both Rethuglican and Dumbocratic parties.
That's exactly what they've done, including intentionally crashing the economy as another means of taking power and raiding the country's coffers.
See www.thrivemovement.com.
If they get re-elected, it's going to get a hell of a lot worse. Vote in November!
Blaming one wing or the other of the Corporate War Party is a distraction from the underlying destructive and inequitable paradigm.
And don't give me that garbage about small business. That's the anthem of the "Even Bigger Liars Than the Other Guys" party. "Pro-business" means anti-consumer (as Dan Quayle actually said, once) and, above all, anti-regulation . What really happens is the REAL money, from large corporations, is served, and all barriers are taken down and small businesses are swallowed up, stepped on, and sprayed with bug spray until they are dead.
Now we've got the divorce but the mistress still isn't in control...and average Americans feel like the children of the divorce and they want a united family back.
The Republicans play this game very well. Democrats have to become united leaders and not followers. We don't belong in the middle. We should maintain a strong balance on the left.
A progressive income tax needs to be renewed. We need to go back to the pre-Reagan tax rates.
The only stimulus we have today is the Military. It is huge. Don't decrease military spending, increase it. It's the only thing the Republicans will vote for. Make the emphasis on people not hardware. We have 11 aircraft carrier groups, 65 nuclear subs, etc. I hate to say this but small reductions hardware could fund more jobs for more people.
We have a big country, we need a big government. If I hear one more tea party twit compare The USA to Turkey I'll scream. Also sitting around the kitchen table doing the family budget in no way compares to making a budget for this country.
Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: "There is no alternative". She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.
I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm
John Steinsvold
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."~ Albert Einstein
It is in fact in place inn certai areas of Silicoon Valley and in Italy (through their unemployment compensation system)
Germany also has an excellent way of controlling offshoring of jobs and money, also described in this speech.
It's called “Can We Afford Capitalism?”
One has to losten carefully to distinguish the plans from Communism, but that's only because the Republicans on FOX have been calling anything that wasn't clearly Fascist, "Socialist" or "Communist."
As for the accusations of similar hyperbole in using the term "Fascism," look up the ONLY definition that counts - Mussolini's. You will see that it has existed since Queen Elizabeth 1 issued a "Charter" to the East India Tea Company. And opposition to merged corporate and government power to fleece the people through uncompeted monopoly, backed by the law and armies, is exactly why America was formed.
YES!!!!
Now they are saying its Obama's fault, this is the same old game, and its really old. The GOP is the party of NO!! They will destroy everything, then blame the dems, its so typical and predictiable!
Doesn't anyone rfemember the Senate-floor assertions of Mitch MCConnell, who pledges to make Mr. Obama a one term president. I'd like to know who the hell anyone will be able to blame for the collapse, when it occurs.
If the Repoublicans are truly anti-government , let them all get out of the government and mean what they say and back it to prove it. If not, then what they are REALLY saying is, that they are against any government except themselves running everything; they have no tolerance for anybody but themselves and their ideologies, forgetting that a good one half of the country doesn't agree with them AT ALL!
If they were "anti-governmen t" they would refuse to serve - not seek it.
And trying to destroy it from within makes you a saboteur and so, a traitor;
certainly not a patriot.
Republicans are anti-America.
Sorry, but it's true.
They repeatedly hurt our nation.
And could care less about its--or our--future.
http://aseyeseesit.blogspot.com/2012/05/graphic-differences-in-state-employment.html
enter in and dispossess nations greater and stronger than yourselves." Deuteronomy 9:1
Actually the entire piece is funny. Reid wants changes to Senate rules that are currently inconvenient. That they were very convenient for him in other instances is not an issue. But that's Harry. To paraphrase General Bullmoose from Orphan Annie: What's good for Harry Reid is good for the USA.
But that is just a sidebar. For Bush's last two years & Barry's first two the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. They accomplished nothing when they had the power. What they lacked was the excuse. Now they still accomplish nothing but it's OK because the Republicans can be blamed. Four years in power, two with a Democrat President & nothing to show for it. That's what Democrats consider Leading America. Only the Democrats could take someone with a totally blank resume, a member of an anti-American, racist clergyman's congregation & a friend of an unrepentant domestic terrorist & say - That's Our Guy!!
Just because a senator has a -D after his name or caucuses wih the Democrts, does not mean s/he's a Democrat,or would ever vote against large corporations. Ben Nelson, Joe Liberman (-I,) Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu, Max Baucus - these were not Democrats. Anyone watching C-Span knows that.
Today it's worse - Joe Manchin (Painfully, "-D West Virginia") is even a member of ALEC.
Have a Day to yourselves...th an letus discuss what we can all do until October.
See ya Tuesday
What motivates such an agenda? Unless the Republicans have another planet somewhere--to which they intend to evacuate in the near future--the behavior is so counterproducti ve as to be inexplicable.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1038961--apocalyptic-crisis-budgeting .
In case the article is no longer accessible, you might like to read what is said:
The headlines have been apocalyptic and relentless. Unless the U.S. cuts trillions in social spending, it will go bankrupt. Unless Canada cuts billions in federal spending, our economy will go bust. Unless Toronto cuts more than $700 million in program spending, the city will collapse. We live in an age of apocalyptic crisis budgeting. Unless the most drastic social spending cuts are implemented, the world as we know it will sink into the quicksand of debt, never to reappear again. How could this happen?
During the Reagan era, a friend and former colleague, a professor of American history, was invited to the deliberations of a Washington think-tank that provided policy direction for the Republican Party. As they discussed growing the debt and increasing the deficit, he was flabbergasted: “Are you not the party of balanced budgets and debt elimination?” The reply was unequivocal, “Our goal is to grow the deficit as much as possible in order to create political space to eliminate government-fund ed programming. Until then, we want high deficits while lobbying for a balanced budget — and promoting social program cuts as the only solution.”
The only trick was to convince the poor and middle classes to “buy in” via a mixture of patriotism and structural necessity so that they would vote in favour of cutting the very programs that benefitted them.
Canadians have had front row seats to observe this structural engineering over the past two decades. After years of sky-high deficits, Bill Clinton’s Democrats balanced the budget and produced a surplus. Then George W. Bush granted tax relief for the wealthiest and went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq to create the largest deficit in American history
As Bush exited from office and Obama entered, trillions of dollars were transferred by the government (funded mostly by middle-class Americans) to the banks. As a thank you, the banks foreclosed on the homes of more people than at any other time in history. The recent debt ceiling settlement follows the pattern as additional social spending cuts are implemented without cancelling Bush’s tax cuts to the very rich.
Like Clinton in the U.S., the federal Liberals left office with a budgetary surplus. The Conservatives created the largest deficit in Canadian history and, unbelievably, ran an election campaign on financial management savvy! Of course, they created the deficit in part by implementing tax cuts and engaging in discretionary spending designed to produce the deficit which, we are told, now needs to be eliminated by cutting programs.
The same approach has now come to Toronto and is being mimicked by Rob Ford. He, too, was left a surplus by his predecessor. Nevertheless, the agenda marches on. First, create the crisis by reducing the revenue base through tax cuts and then take the budget knife to Toronto’s city-wide programs. Instead of articulating a vision for building a great city, it is simply a slash and burn approach to a manufactured crisis.
Some have pretended that the budgetary crisis is real and not manufactured. Let us be clear: our relative wealth is greater than at any time in our history. Our collective ability to build a strong, caring and inclusive society in which everyone can participate has never been greater. This also holds true for the community of nations: we have the capacity to build a just global society.
Our preparedness to do so, however, seems utterly lacking, for an extreme individualism has taken over the mindset of many. We believe, falsely, that we are best served by hoarding as many resources as possible and letting others fend for themselves. The opposite is true. We are best served when we build a society together where all, including each reader of this article, can benefit through the building of community-wide programs.
In many 16th century European cities, each citizen was required to swear an annual citizenship oath to the city (or community) in which they resided. In it citizens affirmed, among other things, their commitment to “support the well-being of their neighbour” and “promote the common good.” Toronto’s early history as a community, like Canada’s as a country, speaks of similar goals and aspirations.
Have we really lost our sense of the common good? Or is each person now on his or her own? There is no apocalyptic budgetary crisis other than of our own making. The crisis is in our orientation.
These guys and gals just can not govern for all the people. They are either for power or just out for themselves. There is no u or I in the US government.
If you haven't read Republican John Dean's book "Conservatives without Conscience", it's an eye opener about the right's agenda, beliefs and goals.
Pure mean-minded guesswork.
everything that is wrong with the government and the economy? Several posters have very eloquently described President Obama's role in furthering the right wing agenda. In many instances he has outBushed Bush. Quit flogging a dead horse - this is not a partisan issue!
The American people, in general, lack the intelligence to gather the facts and make intelligent decisions based upon interpretations of those facts. Thus, we're a ship of fools, and likely we'll sink to the bottom with every hand on deck.
Well, is it 'Tweedle Dee',... or 'Tweedle Dum'?
When will we learn?
The Donkeys, and the Elephants, are 'ONE'.
All...Hogs!
And we are suckers to go back and forth.
They should ALL be recalled, and stand for re-election, in a Publicly Funded Mass Re-Election
No Contributions, at all
Get The Money OUT!
1. MITCH MCCONNEL: " Our ONLY goal is to make BARRACK OBAMA A ONE TERM PRESIDENT.WE WILL OPPOSE ALL LEGISLATION PROPOSED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION. " (not a direct quote but close)
What more did he have to say??? This was code speak to the base that meant the GOP intended to stop any Obama recovery for 4 years if they could pull it off and fabricate the wall of lies it would take to prevent suffering Americans from figuring out what the GOP was doing to them for 4 years.
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