Stiglitz writes: "Why won't America's 1 percent - such as the six Walmart heirs, whose wealth equals that of the entire bottom 30 percent - be a bit more ... selfish? As the widening financial divide cripples the U.S. economy, even those at the top will pay a steep price."
The one percent will feel the effects of inequality. (photo: Getty Images)
The 1 Percent's Problem
02 June 12
et's start by laying down the baseline premise: inequality in America has been widening for decades. We're all aware of the fact. Yes, there are some on the right who deny this reality, but serious analysts across the political spectrum take it for granted. I won't run through all the evidence here, except to say that the gap between the 1 percent and the 99 percent is vast when looked at in terms of annual income, and even vaster when looked at in terms of wealth - that is, in terms of accumulated capital and other assets. Consider the Walton family: the six heirs to the Walmart empire possess a combined wealth of some $90 billion, which is equivalent to the wealth of the entire bottom 30 percent of U.S. society. (Many at the bottom have zero or negative net worth, especially after the housing debacle.) Warren Buffett put the matter correctly when he said, "There's been class warfare going on for the last 20 years and my class has won."
So, no: there's little debate over the basic fact of widening inequality. The debate is over its meaning. From the right, you sometimes hear the argument made that inequality is basically a good thing: as the rich increasingly benefit, so does everyone else. This argument is false: while the rich have been growing richer, most Americans (and not just those at the bottom) have been unable to maintain their standard of living, let alone to keep pace. A typical full-time male worker receives the same income today he did a third of a century ago.
From the left, meanwhile, the widening inequality often elicits an appeal for simple justice: why should so few have so much when so many have so little? It's not hard to see why, in a market-driven age where justice itself is a commodity to be bought and sold, some would dismiss that argument as the stuff of pious sentiment.
Put sentiment aside. There are good reasons why plutocrats should care about inequality anyway - even if they're thinking only about themselves. The rich do not exist in a vacuum. They need a functioning society around them to sustain their position. Widely unequal societies do not function efficiently and their economies are neither stable nor sustainable. The evidence from history and from around the modern world is unequivocal: there comes a point when inequality spirals into economic dysfunction for the whole society, and when it does, even the rich pay a steep price.
Let me run through a few reasons why.
The Consumption Problem
When one interest group holds too much power, it succeeds in getting policies that help itself in the short term rather than help society as a whole over the long term. This is what has happened in America when it comes to tax policy, regulatory policy, and public investment. The consequence of channeling gains in income and wealth in one direction only is easy to see when it comes to ordinary household spending, which is one of the engines of the American economy.
It is no accident that the periods in which the broadest cross sections of Americans have reported higher net incomes - when inequality has been reduced, partly as a result of progressive taxation - have been the periods in which the U.S. economy has grown the fastest. It is likewise no accident that the current recession, like the Great Depression, was preceded by large increases in inequality. When too much money is concentrated at the top of society, spending by the average American is necessarily reduced - or at least it will be in the absence of some artificial prop. Moving money from the bottom to the top lowers consumption because higher-income individuals consume, as a fraction of their income, less than lower-income individuals do.
In our imaginations, it doesn't always seem as if this is the case, because spending by the wealthy is so conspicuous. Just look at the color photographs in the back pages of the weekend Wall Street Journal of houses for sale. But the phenomenon makes sense when you do the math. Consider someone like Mitt Romney, whose income in 2010 was $21.7 million. Even if Romney chose to live a much more indulgent lifestyle, he would spend only a fraction of that sum in a typical year to support himself and his wife in their several homes. But take the same amount of money and divide it among 500 people - say, in the form of jobs paying $43,400 apiece - and you'll find that almost all of the money gets spent.
The relationship is straightforward and ironclad: as more money becomes concentrated at the top, aggregate demand goes into a decline. Unless something else happens by way of intervention, total demand in the economy will be less than what the economy is capable of supplying - and that means that there will be growing unemployment, which will dampen demand even further. In the 1990s that "something else" was the tech bubble. In the first decade of the 21st century, it was the housing bubble. Today, the only recourse, amid deep recession, is government spending - which is exactly what those at the top are now hoping to curb.
The "Rent Seeking" Problem
Here I need to resort to a bit of economic jargon. The word "rent" was originally used, and still is, to describe what someone received for the use of a piece of his land - it's the return obtained by virtue of ownership, and not because of anything one actually does or produces. This stands in contrast to "wages," for example, which connotes compensation for the labor that workers provide. The term "rent" was eventually extended to include monopoly profits - the income that one receives simply from the control of a monopoly. In time, the meaning was expanded still further to include the returns on other kinds of ownership claims. If the government gave a company the exclusive right to import a certain amount of a certain good, such as sugar, then the extra return was called a "quota rent." The acquisition of rights to mine or drill produces a form of rent. So does preferential tax treatment for special interests. In a broad sense, "rent seeking" defines many of the ways by which our current political process helps the rich at the expense of everyone else, including transfers and subsidies from the government, laws that make the marketplace less competitive, laws that allow C.E.O.'s to take a disproportionate share of corporate revenue (though Dodd-Frank has made matters better by requiring a non-binding shareholder vote on compensation at least once every three years), and laws that permit corporations to make profits as they degrade the environment.
The magnitude of "rent seeking" in our economy, while hard to quantify, is clearly enormous. Individuals and corporations that excel at rent seeking are handsomely rewarded. The financial industry, which now largely functions as a market in speculation rather than a tool for promoting true economic productivity, is the rent-seeking sector par excellence. Rent seeking goes beyond speculation. The financial sector also gets rents out of its domination of the means of payment - the exorbitant credit- and debit-card fees and also the less well-known fees charged to merchants and passed on, eventually, to consumers. The money it siphons from poor and middle-class Americans through predatory lending practices can be thought of as rents. In recent years, the financial sector has accounted for some 40 percent of all corporate profits. This does not mean that its social contribution sneaks into the plus column, or comes even close. The crisis showed how it could wreak havoc on the economy. In a rent-seeking economy such as ours has become, private returns and social returns are badly out of whack.
In their simplest form, rents are nothing more than re-distributions from one part of society to the rent seekers. Much of the inequality in our economy has been the result of rent seeking, because, to a significant degree, rent seeking re-distributes money from those at the bottom to those at the top.
But there is a broader economic consequence: the fight to acquire rents is at best a zero-sum activity. Rent seeking makes nothing grow. Efforts are directed toward getting a larger share of the pie rather than increasing the size of the pie. But it's worse than that: rent seeking distorts resource allocations and makes the economy weaker. It is a centripetal force: the rewards of rent seeking become so outsize that more and more energy is directed toward it, at the expense of everything else. Countries rich in natural resources are infamous for rent-seeking activities. It's far easier to get rich in these places by getting access to resources at favorable terms than by producing goods or services that benefit people and increase productivity. That's why these economies have done so badly, in spite of their seeming wealth. It's easy to scoff and say: We're not Nigeria, we're not Congo. But the rent-seeking dynamic is the same.
The Fairness Problem
People are not machines. They have to be motivated to work hard. If they feel that they are being treated unfairly, it can be difficult to motivate them. This is one of the central tenets of modern labor economics, encapsulated in the so-called efficiency-wage theory, which argues that how firms treat their workers - including how much they pay them - affects productivity. It was, in fact, a theory elaborated nearly a century ago by the great economist Alfred Marshall, who observed that "highly paid labour is generally efficient and therefore not dear labour." In truth, it's wrong to think of this proposition as just a theory: it has been borne out by countless economic experiments.
While people will always disagree over the precise meaning of what constitutes "fair," there is a growing sense in America that the current disparity in income, and the way wealth is allocated in general, is profoundly unfair. There's no begrudging the wealth accrued by those who have transformed our economy - the inventors of the computer, the pioneers of biotechnology. But, for the most part, these are not the people at the top of our economic pyramid. Rather, to a too large extent, it's people who have excelled at rent seeking in one form or another. And, to most Americans, that seems unfair.
People were surprised when the financial firm MF Global, headed by Jon Corzine, suddenly collapsed into bankruptcy last year, leaving victims by the thousands as a result of actions that may prove to have been criminal; but given Wall Street's recent history, I'm not sure people were all that surprised to learn that several MF Global executives would still be getting their bonuses. When corporate C.E.O.'s argue that wages have to be reduced or that there must be layoffs in order for companies to compete - and simultaneously increase their own compensation - workers rightly consider what is happening to be unfair. This in turn affects their efforts on the job, their loyalty to the firm, and their willingness to invest in its future. The widespread sense by workers in the Soviet Union that they were being mistreated in exactly this way - exploited by managers who lived high on the hog - played a major role in the hollowing out of the Soviet economy, and in its ultimate collapse. As the old Soviet joke had it, "They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work."
In a society in which inequality is widening, fairness is not just about wages and income, or wealth. It's a far more generalized perception. Do I seem to have a stake in the direction society is going, or not? Do I share in the benefits of collective action, or not? If the answer is a loud "no," then brace for a decline in motivation whose repercussions will be felt economically and in all aspects of civic life.
For Americans, one key aspect of fairness is opportunity: everyone should have a fair shot at living the American Dream. Horatio Alger stories remain the mythic ideal, but the statistics paint a very different picture: in America, the chances of someone's making it to the top, or even to the middle, from a place near the bottom are lower than in the countries of old Europe or in any other advanced industrial country. Those at the top can take comfort from knowing that their chances of becoming downwardly mobile are lower in America than they are elsewhere.
There are many costs to this lack of opportunity. A large number of Americans are not living up to their potential; we're wasting our most valuable asset, our talent. As we slowly grasp what's been happening, there will be an erosion of our sense of identity, in which America is seen as a fair country. This will have direct economic effects - but also indirect ones, fraying the bonds that hold us together as a nation.
The Mistrust Problem
One of the puzzles in modern political economy is why anyone bothers to vote. Very few elections actually turn on the ballot of a single individual. There is a cost to voting - no state has an explicit penalty for staying home, but it takes time and effort to get to the polls - and there is seemingly almost never a benefit. Modern political and economic theory assumes the existence of rational, self-interested actors. On that basis, why anyone would vote is a mystery.
The answer is that we've been inculcated with notions of "civic virtue." It is our responsibility to vote. But civic virtue is fragile. If the belief takes hold that the political and economic systems are stacked, individuals will feel released from their civic obligations. When that social contract is abrogated - when trust between a government and its citizens fails - disillusionment, disengagement, or worse is sure to follow. In the United States today, and in many other democracies around the world, mistrust is on the ascendant.
It's even built in. The head of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein, made it perfectly clear: sophisticated investors don't, or at least shouldn't, rely on trust. Those who bought the products his bank sold were consenting adults who should have known better. They should have known that Goldman Sachs had the means, and the incentive, to design products that would fail; that they had the means and the incentive to create asymmetries of information - where they knew more about the products than the buyers did - and the means and the incentive to take advantage of those asymmetries. The people who fell victim to the investment banks were, for the most part, well-off investors. But deceptive credit-card practices and predatory lending have left Americans more broadly with a sense that banks are not to be trusted.
Economists often underestimate the role of trust in making our economy work. If every contract had to be enforced by one party taking the other to court, our economy would be in gridlock. Throughout history, the economies that have flourished are those where a handshake is a deal. Without trust, business arrangements based on an understanding that complex details will be worked out later are no longer feasible. Without trust, each participant looks around to see how and when those with whom he is dealing will betray him.
Widening inequality is corrosive of trust: in its economic impact, think of it as the universal solvent. It creates an economic world in which even the winners are wary. But the losers! In every transaction - in every encounter with a boss or business or bureaucrat - they see the hand of someone out to take advantage of them.
Nowhere is trust more important than in politics and the public sphere. There, we have to act together. It's easier to act together when most individuals are in similar situations - when most of us are, if not in the same boat, at least in boats within a range of like sizes. But growing inequality makes it clear that our fleet looks different - it's a few mega-yachts surrounded by masses of people in dugout canoes, or clinging to flotsam - which helps explain our vastly differing views of what the government should do.
Today's widening inequality extends to almost everything - police protection, the condition of local roads and utilities, access to decent health care, access to good public schools. As higher education becomes more important - not just for individuals but for the future of the whole U.S. economy - those at the top push for university budget cuts and tuition hikes, on the one hand, and cutbacks in guaranteed student loans, on the other. To the extent that they advocate student loans at all, it's as another opportunity for rent seeking: loans to for-profit schools, without standards; loans that are non-dischargeable even in bankruptcy; loans designed as another way for those at the top to exploit those aspiring to get out of the bottom.
The "Be Selfish" Solution
Many, if not most, Americans possess a limited understanding of the nature of the inequality in our society. They know that something has gone wrong, but they underestimate the harm that inequality does even as they overestimate the cost of taking action. These mistaken beliefs, which have been reinforced by ideological rhetoric, are having a catastrophic effect on politics and economic policy.
There is no good reason why the 1 percent, with their good educations, their ranks of advisers, and their much-vaunted business acumen, should be so misinformed. The 1 percent in generations past often knew better. They knew that there would be no top of the pyramid if there wasn't a solid base - that their own position was precarious if society itself was unsound. Henry Ford, not remembered as one of history's softies, understood that the best thing he could do for himself and his company was to pay his workers a decent wage, because he wanted them to work hard and he wanted them to be able to buy his cars. Franklin D. Roosevelt, a purebred patrician, understood that the only way to save an essentially capitalist America was not only to spread the wealth, through taxation and social programs, but to put restraints on capitalism itself, through regulation. Roosevelt and the economist John Maynard Keynes, while reviled by the capitalists, succeeded in saving capitalism from the capitalists. Richard Nixon, known to this day as a manipulative cynic, concluded that social peace and economic stability could best be secured by investment - and invest he did, heavily, in Medicare, Head Start, Social Security, and efforts to clean up the environment. Nixon even floated the idea of a guaranteed annual income.
So, the advice I'd give to the 1 percent today is: Harden your hearts. When invited to consider proposals to reduce inequality - by raising taxes and investing in education, public works, health care, and science - put any latent notions of altruism aside and reduce the idea to one of unadulterated self-interest. Don't embrace it because it helps other people. Just do it for yourself.
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It's going to be a tough equalizer - new money is going to have the opportunity to revisit and live among the 99%.
Do? You are already on your way to what is a 1st step. You are looking and learning about the "current situation". Obviously you are seeing things concerning you. You, and we all, should be at the point in this reality to ask some "why" questions. Who do we work for and why? What kind of home, car, boat, toys do we have and why? I am amazed at the expectations of some people who think the more junk they own the happier they will be! What do we really NEED to get through life? And if you finance "junk" who (what) makes money off the interest. Ugh! The "do" then comes down to something very simple. Keep your "money" away from those who would use it against you. Pay as little in taxes and interest as feasible! Hey, that's what the 0.1% do!!! :)
Ours is the most easily manipulated system, full of cheaters and vote riggers, and everyone thinks their team doesn't do it. It is violent and sees human beings as things that just get in the way of "the display of their magnificence."
Russia, China, Islamic republics, Europe and South America on only a hair's breadth away. This whole system needs to crash. But it will drag on until every dollar has been sucked out of us.
Ha! Like that will ever happen.
Imagine, 5,000 years of recorded history, and we still hearken to the economic model of Pharaoh and his people.
What could possibly go wrong???
Where it becomes laughable is that we, as a nation, are beyond the brink of another collapse - larger and this time global - and NOBODY has mentioned cutting the salaries and perks of the political officials that allowed this to occur. Federal and State.
Everybody wants to tax - for what? To raise more money to pay corrupt politicians?
Maybe the large staffs are needed to deal with the thousands of lobbyists that have set up camp in Washington.
Nevertheless, there is probably well over $1-Billion dollars a year spent on staffs and committees for House and Senate members.
And back to the issue of congressional pay...
Someone mentioned to me a few years ago that we should pay Senators and Representatives $75,000 a year, give them a allowance to rent a apartment in DC, and health benefits just like any other government employee. If they needed more to live on, the spouse could get a job...just like the rest of America. That sounded fair to me.
It's probably hard to have empathy for, and effectively represent, the 99% when you're living like the 1%.
Actually to get that money to work instead of allowing stagnant pools of it to force inflation on the rest of us. It isn't politicians - not even corrupt ones - that are problem. It is the corruptors - and those fellows simply see politicians as fall guys.
A party offical went to see a farmer. "How's the wheat doing?" he asks.
The farmer says " it doing very well, as the party is saying. We had a wonderful harvest last year, and even better this year, and God willing it will be better yet next year".
"Now, comrade", says the party leader, "You know there is no God".
"Of course", says the farmer, "and you know there is no wheat".
The waelth is not only absurdly, lopsidedly, distributed, but the money which should represent real wealth is bloated even more absurdly. Derivative overhang is $1,200 Trillion -- that's far more -- like 20 times more -- than the entire world's yearly production.
So yes -- tax the rich, but there is ALSO the bankster's ponzi scheme to deal with. We are probably looking at some kind of remonitization to fix this -- or maybe a jubilee. The whole economic system has to be rebalanced.
The real question is where did all that deficit money go?
Billions to war profiteers, the failed war on drugs resulting in incarceration of millions for minor offenses in for-profit prisons, corporate welfare to big oil, coal and big agriculture, bailouts to banks and the auto industry.
I know a guy that owes the IRS $1.4 million - he's in bankruptcy, his industry has totally collapsed and he'll likely never make enough money again to pay the debt... He was a 1% - but not anymore.
It's sort of something like if the hyperinflation we have seen in the past was where all those wheelbarrows of cash was instantly transferred to the vaults of the rich. It's where the working class have to work to get money but the rich just create it for themselves whenever they want. It's like playing poker where the dealer has a little printing press under the table to print up whatever cards he decides he can use.
The problem with the economy is that it's intrinsically phony.
Wealth is created by two and only two ways: it comes from the earth (originally all of this was commonly held by the the people), or it comes from labor. There are two kinds f labor: productive, which makes things or provides a needed service, and unproductive, which is necessary overhead, such as accounting or security guards.
Any increase in a companies value comes from these two sources -- but lots of games can be played, such as using market power to increase stock prices, and, of course, owners and managers using the surplu value of labor in ways which hurts the workers (and in THAT game the capitalists are the winners and the workers are the losers).
Note that I didn't say wealth in my comment, but money. Money can be and is created from nothing, representing nothing, with no real wealth behind it.
BTW, what is paid in dividends is strictly arbitrary, and none need be paid at all; neither does anyhting have to be funneled back into the business. Shares can go up in proces through pump and dump, and numerous other manipulations using market power or scams. Money is useful as an exchange medium and marker for wealth, but it also allows any number of phony manipulations, including magically multiplying it with decpetive faith (confidence games) and debt.
No one ever claimed that by taxing the top 1% more, the problems of the nation would be solved.
What is true is that this additional taxation is a needed part of the overall balance of additional revenues and balanced spending cuts.
A start needs to be made, and this is part of that.
To suggest one would not do something because it doesn't solve the entire problem is inane nonsense.
But too many in the American populace seem all to eager, for what some see as obvious reasons, to need to continue to soak up that TPrepublican, Faux BS.
And please give up on the cliché of government waste, unless you can bring forward some figures. Ever contemplated the waste of corporations, those CEOs who lay waste to entire communities on their way to "improving" the local employer? The devastation to people as their jobs are shipped overseas so the zombie capitalists can pay dimes instead of dollars for wages?
However, I don't think it's true that the majority of those who do not pay income tax (and yes, jimattrell's 50% figure does apply to INCOME tax, not federal tax generally, as he mistakenly claimed) are below the poverty level. That would imply that 25% of U.S. households (half of 50%) are in poverty! (It's actually about 15%.) Also, to say that those 50% do not pay income tax because they have no taxable income is circular: "taxable income" is income that our government has seen fit not to tax. In other words, the bottom 50% DO have income that could be taxed, it's just that (appropriately) we as a nation have decided that they have too little income to pay income tax.
MrGoodrant,
You'd think, wouldn't you?
The problem, though, is that Republicans NEVER rail against government waste when THEY'RE in power; it's ALWAYS when there's a Democratic Administration, Congress, or both.
If the GOP put as much time and effort into *solving* the waste problem as they did *bitching* about it, something *might* get done!
I'm not a tax accountant, so maybe I'm missing something, but, hey, whatever--maybe there's room for agreement here. phantomww, would you agree to raise taxes on the highest incomes back to Clinton-era levels (which, again, turned the Bush 41 deficit into a surplus) in return for slightly higher taxes on those making, say, $35-$50K, since you seem to think they're not poor enough? If in addition you can show us some of that government waste, I'm sure the rest of us would be willing to cut it to seal the deal. What say you?
Next, I will agree to go back to Clinton era levels but you do realize that means the lowest bracket goes from 10% to 15% and the child tax credit drops from 1000 for each to 400 or 600 (forgot which). That would raise taxes on lower income. But in exchange (compromise) I want to go back to Clinton era spending levels (plus inflation). Also, I want to get rid of the Dept of Education (it educates no child) and Dept of Energy (it produces no energy).
In addition, I am willing to let cap gains go to 20% except for those in the 15% bracket which will stay at the current Zero rate to encourage middle income to buy (invest) stocks and mutual funds for their own retirement and other needs.
So do we have a deal?
Your tax numbers look right. I forgot about the child tax credit. Thanks. But you do realize that under our agreement, a lot of people with slightly lower income than your example would still pay no federal income tax--which is OK with me.
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But I was talking about government waste. You consider government seeing to the needs of the disabled as government waste -- but I don't. I don't see disabled people as waste.
What that created was frivolous purchases. New carpet that didn't need replacing. $1000 office chairs that were the new rage. Exaggerated needs...
Now we have inflated values for needs to conduct business. -Towers of marble like the Reagan building in downtown DC.
I'm sorry but we did it to ourselves. WE created this trillion dollar deficit and NO ONE in congress lifted a finger to stop it.
These are singular ideas used to keep the 99% arguing amongst ourselves. You like old sayings? Here's one: "Divide and conquer". Those in charge care ONLY about wealth and they do not care how they accumulate it. It is to their advantage to keep you focused on the deficit. Someone else on abortion. Another on school tuitions. Each, in of its self, important, but all by themselves divisive issues that are meant to keep us from the real problems that are spelled out in this article. You will find out just what those are when/if those at the top have their wealth threatened. Then they WILL become the "job creators"and wealth "equalizers". But, only when they are directly threatened!
Granny's homegrown simpleminded homilies may not apply to modern complexity. They reassure the smug & simpleminded.
The U.S. is becoming an Indian Reservation to the Global 0.01%.
Extract the resources; squeeze the labor; act paternalistic; invest elsewhere; move your $$/family safely offshore; CONTROL the natives. If we do not reverse this soon, the technology of control will make it impossible.
Also, I know a lot of Keynesian economists (I am one, in fact), and not a single one of them says the debt is not a problem. Yes, we should be deficit spending now, when the economy is weak, but the time will soon come when the economy is strong and we should turn to reducing the deficit. And when we do, we should do so in part by raising taxes. On whether taxing the rich can contribute to achieving surplus, please go read what I wrote in response to another commenter: we taxed the rich in the 1990s--at 39.5%, not 100% percent--and we turned a deficit into a surplus. Please explain why you think we can't do that again. What is different today?
I am of the belief that raising taxes does not increase revenue, one taxes something to get less of that activity not more.
While I think Keynes was brilliant, his theory does not work in real life because one of the tenets is that government spending will decrease during good times and politicians almost never decrease spending (see US budgets for last 50 years or so).
Finally, I don't agree that we are not spending enough on education so increasing taxes to spend more on education makes no sense to me. The quality of education IS NOT directly proporational to the level of spending. I am enjoying what seems to be a pleasant discussion without a bunch of name calling which is unusual here.
You say taxes don't raise revenue, and that politicians almost never decrease spending. Didn't revenue rise and spending fall in the 1990s, after Clinton and the Democrats raised taxes and cut spending? Why can't we do that again?
It's true that more spending on education does not necessarily improve the quality of education. But I don't see how you improve the quality of education WITHOUT more spending. It takes more spending AND good policy. We have in this country have slacked off on raising average educational attainment, and the rest of the world is catching up. That surely has more to do with our economic problems than higher taxes or rapacious banks or capitalism or any of the other boogybears that others in these comments have cited.
And yes, name calling just gets in the way. It doesn't help change people's minds, including one's own.
As for revenue, using the same table, please show me where the “fake” revenue surge falls back to prebubble levels after the bubble bursts in 2000 or 2001. I don’t see it.
More fundamentally, your claim that Keynesianism doesn’t work because politicians can't or won't practice it reminds me of what Dennis Kucinich one said to someone who said he wasn’t electable: “But I AM electable if you vote for me!” Can’t we make Keynesianism work if we elect politicians who will pursue it?
However, abandonment of the capitalist system for the socialist model would solve that problem, or at a minimum, mitigate it to a manageable level. And capable of being eliminated eventually. If not socialist, then a highly regulated capitalist system that includes a steeply graduated income tax and the elimination of the capital gains tax exception to a very limited number and narrowly defined areas.
I think the US would be the winner in that.
Jus' thinkin'.
Worse, now you're trying to play a shell game on us--you're shifting the focus from federal income tax to taxes in general: "In Canada, everyone pays taxes," you say. Well, that at least is true--but it's also true in the U.S.! All workers in BOTH countries pay other federal taxes (e.g., payroll tax), and they pay state (or provincial) and local taxes (e.g., sales tax). "Everyone who works should pay taxes," you say. They do!!
You also say taxing the top 1% will get us nowhere. I've said elsewhere in these comments and will say again: It got us to surplus in the 1990s. Why can't we do it again?
Finally, did you know that when the modern federal income tax was introduced, ONLY the rich and the upper middle class paid it? Yes, the federal government was much smaller then, but the point is that exempting the poorest workers from income tax isn't something that postwar liberals came up with--it was part of the plan from the very beginning.
We can't keep pouring money into Wall Street in hopes to help them make a correction. We need to pull our funds and let them sink or swim. That's capitalism... Propping them up with public money is financial socialism - and nobody wants that but the banks.
Frankly, I don't want my tax dollars used to support Jamie Dimon's lifestyle and Wall Street's outrageous bonus programs - especially when they were so reckless and stupid as to allow TRILLION$ in securitization gambling to take down their industry at our expense.
You have a well that supplies some finite amount of water. The rich divert most of the water for themselves, use a small part of that, and the rest falls to the ground and is wasted. In that sense that wasted water is not 'real' and does not function as water should.
What happens is the rich create huge amounts of money, with most of it phony, in the form of abstract debt, but still end up with much more than most people. The distribution of wealth is shifted.
Now, what happens when that abstract debt comes due and become 'real'? The bubble bursts.
Because of the shift to financializatio n from tangible production in the US the 'well' is running dry. What should have been used for productive purposes was largely wasted (productive utilization in the US is only about 75%, while unemployment is soaring), and there isn't anywhere near enough real wealth to pay off the debts created through manipulation and issuing money that never actually represented anything real. All that humongous debt can never be paid because it was never 'real' debt to begin with -- i.e., realistically representing future real wealth and production. It's like taking out a loan for a billion dollars when you make 50K a year -- that $50 billion is made of a fantasy.
Getting to the facts and the cause and effect may help fix this. Only truth and fairness can set us free.
"The top 1% of the population now owns 40% of the total wealth of the nation, so if you took even 90% of their wealth it would indeed go a very long way toward fixing deficit spending." (If you don't think that is the "American way," examine the confiscation of Tory land and property during the American revolution.)
"But I agree that we have waste-- just not in social spending. We could cut our defense spending (currently more than the rest of the world combined) by half and end our ridiculous wars of imperialism." The rest of our waste is mostly in giveaways to business, such as using insurance companies as part of a healthcare plan.
Fixes: A higher tax rate on the order of post WW2 levels would help us now immensely, just as it did then.
Another adage for you: "You can't get blood from a turnip." 50% of us (as you say) haven't got the income to pay taxes. Most people would prefer to be wealthy enough to pay taxes. You've got to fix that first.
Republicans are proposing the "Fair Tax" in the US so we can keep tax cuts for the top 1% and keep the military/indust rial complex going. Tax the poor to pay off the massive debt that Republicans created with their failed policies. Of course these are issues that Canadians don't have to deal with. Republicans still gain votes by convincing simple minded people that food stamps are the problem. Much of their voters base benefits from the welfare system.
Have you been getting your facts from your sister again, jimattrell?
Let me try to help. "Decline" by definition occurs over time, so it doesn't make sense to define it with reference to a single point in time, like "higher than mean unemployment" today, does it? You want to look at the CHANGE in some variable. And you don't want use unemployment as the variable, because that is defined as people looking for work--it misses all the people who have quit looking, which you would have a lot of in a declining state, right? Finally, you want to look at some period when the national economy was roughly in the same phase at the beginning and the end--NOT a period where the economy is in much worse shape at the end. Otherwise how do you know if a state's change in terms of your variable is due to "decline" or to a temporary nationwide slump?
Care to try again?
Cities obviously aren't a good example, because an economy is not coterminous with a city--SMSAs probably better define a local economy. Problem is, people often leave cities for the suburbs to avoid sharing in the cost of city infrastructure. They continue to work in the city but live in the suburbs so they can escape paying the taxes that build the infrastructure that supports their jobs. So the city loses its tax base, can't maintain its infrastructure, and declines.
Another problem is that (I think) most large U.S. cities have either "a long-term record of Democratic rule" or a history of mixed rule. Not very many have a long-term record of GOP rule. If that's the case, then you're not going to find many long-term-GOP-r un large cities in decline, for the simple reason that there aren't many long-term-GOP-r un cities, period.
Also, if it turns out that mixed-rule cities do better than long-term-Dem cities, that could be because cities with two viable parties are less corrupt than cities with one-party rule, whichever party has the monopoly.
In short, if mixed-rule cities do better than 1-party-rule cities, and if there are few 1-party-rule GOP-led cities, then of course the 1-party-rule Dem-led cities will tend to emerge as the ones in "decline," but for reasons having little to do with Democratic ideology or policy.
Corporation pension and retirement funds got sucked into these fraudulent investments and ended up gambling away so much money that the only way to survive was to reduce payroll. Federal, state and county pension funds were lost too and thats why services and benefits are being drastically cut and local taxes are rising.
High unemployment has more to do with concentrated industrial areas than political control. ...Not to mention stupidity and greed...and that's the real core of the moral hazard and irresponsibilit y.
I applaud entrepreneurs that work hard and build successful businesses without public money, be it gov't dole or stock market. But once you cross that line you have an obligation to live within your means and not take advantage of public trust... The problem lies in the fact that using public monies should be highly regulated - which we've allowed the criminal element to suppress.
Of course low income people vote for Democrats, they're the only thing standing in the way of the total destruction of the social safety net by Republicans.
The inequality problem is based on accumulated wealth more than anything else. As long as accumulated wealth is not taxed very much income taxes will correct the problem. In fact your 25% minimum tax would simply further impoverish the working class and remove their children even further from access to a middle class life! I suggest that you reread the article and more slowly this time.
The college graduate unemployment rate that you cite, if it is accurate (which I doubt, but I could be wrong), is almost surely the rate for recent graduates - not all college graduates.
The problem is not so much a few rich people, but an economic system which is horribly inefficient. In a well functioning society you wouldn't need to put money aside for your family's education because it would be treated as a public good and necessary function of society for everyone to be as educated as they can be -- it's like having a factory and keeping your equipment in good repair and up to date, or a farm with healthy crops and livestock.
In a well function socialistic system some people will be richer than others and can live quite well, but everyone can live at least decently, with basic needs met -- and the total real wealth is increased because it's much more efficient, so everyone ends up living better than now, including the rich.
Try accessing rdwolff.com and learning about the inherent problems of capitalism which is what Marx analyzed and wrote about 150 years ago (and the studies have progressed since then).
This has to be looked at with systems thinking to get it right.
On education, I agree that the government should chip in--education benefits both the educated individual and society, so society should help cover the cost. BUT when education (I mean here postsecondary education) is treated PURELY as a public good, with all the education you can eat paid for 100% by the state, it soon looks like one of those cruise ship buffets. Because it costs the student nothing, much is wasted, many make poor choices for themselves AND society (too many trained anthropologists and music critics, too few engineers, because they think, hey, I can always go back for that engineering degree if I have to), and the students don't value what they're getting as much--and therefore might not study as hard--as they do when they've paid for a good chunk of it themselves. In other words, free postsecondary education is a far LESS efficient system, not more efficient.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States
Depressions and recession are always occuring in capitalism every few years.
A well functioning socialist is not an oxymoron at all. It would work eevn better if it wasn't destroyed by fascists whenever it started to really do well, including places which are attacked and destroyed (post ww2 Greece is one example, among many). There are many instances where socialist groups or societies did better than capitalist groups in the same time period.
So now we have only about 75% production utilization while millions who could be using those are unemployed. The infrastructure is collapsing. The health care system is disasterous. We have the highest incarceration rate of any industrialized nation. We have been at war almost constantly over US history, murdering millions and destroying whole nations at a go. We don't produce wealth as much as steal it from people we kill.
And with all of this, the 'efficient' capitalist system is destroying the environment and biosphere and we are killing ourselves with toxins and radiation; it's like the idiots who killed the goose which laid golden eggs.
Name a few, and their capitalist comparators, and let's have a look at the numbers.
While you're at it, name the people we killed and stole their ISP server technology from.
Agree on the low capacity utilization, infrastructure, health care, and jail rate. Is that capitalism's fault? Or mostly W's?
Was it capitalists that destroyed the Aral Sea, much of Belarus and Ukraine, etc?
What is wasted is not education, but millions of people who could not afford to go to school. Engineers are OK as far as that filed goes, but we need all the other subjects too so we don't just build better bombs and technology which don't helps us at all, but often contribute to our self destruction.
I'll tell you something -- I'me finally getting a decent education on the web, in my 60s, because I could never afford to do it before, and I sure as hell won't be working and using it for production. I happened to be born with very high intelligence -- in the 99.9999somethin g percentile -- but it's been 99% wasted because of a lousy education. I know many very bright people -- genius level even -- who couldn't afford to go to school. One of them is driving a truck, when he get the work.
Other countries that provide free education have done quite well with it, amd it's very efficient.
Also, education is NOT just another commodity, to be done purely for profit. It's what yields a working society, and ignorance is the death knell of a nation, and it's economy. This is one reason we are moving into third-world status and can't compete.
You don't understand education at all.
I didn't say grammar and high school shouldn't be free. What part of "postsecondary" don't you understand?
I didn't say we don't need the "other subjects." We absolutely do. I said we would get people educated in them in something closer to the proportions in which they are needed if students had to take into consideration at least part of the cost of their education to society when they made their choices.
And I certainly did not say education should be run as a for-profit business.
Frankly, if I had your claimed IQ, blue, I'd be embarrassed at such a demonstration of lack of basic reading comprehension. Hell, I'd be embarrassed if I had your smarts and didn't have a Nobel prize. And blaming it on your poor education--that 's real class, blue. Jeez, even Einstein overcame a bad education, and you're saying you're orders of magnitude smarter!
In case I'm wrong then I'll say that what many of us expect is some gratitude for those tax breaks that allowed you to put that money away. Now that it's clear that we have no way of paying down the $14 trillion in debt that those cuts contributed greatly to, we're asking for mutual sacrifice. We need to cut spending that benefits the poorest members of society and raise revenue, we're asking you to go back to the tax rates of the 1990s. Is that persecution?
My understanding is that the 0.1% is 1.6M in some places to 2.1M in other places. Regardless, I am in that category (but not by much). I do not qualify for many tax breaks at all. Almost any tax break available to others is not available for me. My point is that I pay a huge amount of tax already and am not opposed to chipping in more. But at some point there is a limit. We are not a communist country and no do I want us to be a communist country. Don't get me wrong - see my prior post in regard to my feelings on taxes and raising them more. But, if you try to eliminate anyone making a lot of money, when earned fairly, there are some issues with that system also. I've heard that an alcoholic is defined as "anyone who drinks more than you" and we need not apply this to money as well!
I fail to see what any of this has to do with communism, another way of suggesting that an entrepreneur such as yourself is getting persecuted. That's bull in my opinion.
The working poor is paying dearly because of this debt that Republicans refuse to address in any realistic way. Food and fuel costs have risen dramatically, the bare essentials for survival, because the debt devalues the dollar and contributes to inflation. This is only one cost of your tax breaks that have given you even more wealth. Were you really persecuted in the 1990s? Did you feel we were living in a communist state because the budget was under control?
Obama has proposed lowering the corporate tax rate and getting rid of loopholes that help to make this possible, sounds like something that could help you. Does this make you feel persecuted also? It's a revenue neutral solution. Do you think the obstructionist Republicans want to debate ANY solution?
I'm confused as to why you feel like a victim. We're only trying to address the injustices in the tax code.
Is your success based on productivity or financial manipulation? It would seem to me, that if your success and the success of others is based on productivity, you should be supported. If based on financial manipulation, it should not be supported, and should be regulated, and taxed accdordingly, and very stringently.
At present, there are few, if any real consequences meted out to what Callenbach calles the "looter elit," so why should their priorities and decisions change.
I like to use the example of the people who build and sell land mines. If they had to bury some land-mines in their back yards, where they and their families have to live, would they still be building land-mines? If they had to pay for the hospitalization and burial costs for all the people they have injured and killed, would they be buildimg land-mines? If there are no immediate consequences, why should the robber barons change?
Patriots my asp.
Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: "There is no alternative". She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.
I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm
John Steinsvold
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."~ Albert Einstein
You obviously don't have much experience with local school boards.
No, thanks, John, I've actually done pretty well under capitalism. I think I'll stick with it, even though it throws us some nasty curves every 75 years or so.
In some respects, our economy will be the same. Our free enterprise system will remain in place as it is today; but no money will be exchanged. Profit will no longer be a factor and cooperation will replace competition. Government, industry and the people will work together as a team toward common goals.
Yes, the administration of a way of life without money is a huge problem. As proposed in my essay, a web of "economic bodies" would be created; one for the federal, one for each state and one for each local level. These economic bodies will coordinate the economic traffic in our nation. They will interact with each other as much as modern technology will allow. A balance of supply and demand will be achieved taking every conceivable factor into consideration including conservation and our environment as well as the needs of the people and their craving for luxuries.
In short, these economic bodies will be coordinating what is now our free enterprise system to fulfill the economic needs of our nation.
Note: The local school boards would be involved only to establish priorities in the neighborhood. For example, if housing is available, who would have the most need? The homeless would have a higher priority than those living in crowded quarters.
John Steinsvold
Perhaps in time the so-called dark ages will be thought of as including our own.
--Georg C. Lichtenberg
It doesn't matter how complex the brain is (and it's is certainly not the most complex thing -- it is way too small to even get close; most things in the universe are so complex that most people can't begin to understand even what they do. Look at some information theory.) -- it doesn't matter because the econmic system is so highly abstract that such level of detail is ignored anyway -- likely justifiably so in most cases. One does not need to even know who all is eating to feed a clowder of cats. Stocastics will do just fine.
The real problem is not doing without money (people have lived without it before, in various places and times); the problem is people are too dumb, ignorant, underdeveloped, and insane (mostly this last) to pull it off any time soon. Most people still have no understanding of abstraction, and don't even see a need to read Korzibsky's general semantics or Zen literature.
Pay to order of Mr. Goodrant
One Zillion Dollars
blue
Don't you feel richer now?
Get enough people to believe that stuff and you really will be richer. It's all a silly social construct, and you would never get cats to go along with it: they don't do financial ontology.
The true universal commodity is compassion and empathy.
Yes, money is a social construct. Dollars have no necessary connection to anything of real value. They have value only by convention: we accept dollars because others accept them from us. Cats have no use for them. But is money therefore “silly”?
Language is a social construct, too, isn’t it? Words have no necessary connection to what they signify. They mean things only by convention: we use English words because other English speakers understand them. Cats have no use for them. So is language also “silly”?
I think if we did away with language, our society–this conversation, for starters--would come to an abrupt halt. And I think if we did away with money, so would our economy.
And for what? I gather you want to abandon money because people sometimes abuse it. Should we also abandon language because people sometimes lie? I think both money and language are valuable information systems, and on balance make us better off.
Also:
Wikipedia tells us, "In Canada total tax and non-tax revenue for every level of government equals about 38.4% of GDP, compared to the U.S. rate of 28.2%." This is easy to check online elsewhere as well.. Wiki also tell us:
--Canada's total governmental spending was about 36% of GDP vs. 31% in the US
--Canada's income tax system is more heavily biased against the highest income earners
--Government spending at all levels (federal, state/provincia l and local) has traditionally been higher in Canada than the United States.
--For its higher taxes Canada has a larger system of social programs than the United States. This includes having a national broadcaster in the CBC, a largely government-fund ed health care system, and having all major universities receive partial government funding.
Just one evidence you cannot buy IQ with money.
Harbor Freight All Chinese tool stores abound. Asian cars have more america content than "American" cars in many cases.
Until this nation understands what their consumption is based on- nothing will change.
We have such fine economic scholars to teach us, but they teach us nothing about the single biggest rent that we pay from our federal budget. Not only does that rent buy us no security, it increases our reason to be fearful.
Don't even THINK about electing this guy !!!
Change the tax code- don't blame the people who use legal loopholes.
The same people who write it are the same people who know how to abuse it. There is no easy way short of firing them all and starting with fresh uncorrupted people outside the two parties.
I can't believe this is the best they can do. This is why I am no longer a Republican. I can't stomach the Demoncrats. I am a centrist or even a Libertarian but definitely not of the other two extremes. I can't believe they even think they have a shot with Romney. What moron is running that party. Seriously? If Obama will not protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights who will? That person for President. We have little time the ELITE have a plan to destroy the country and take it over under Marshal Law. Do not Riot make changes by peace and accept none of their BS. The End is near and you can stop it by rejecting the current powers. Vote them all out ASAP.
My son has no future to look forward to like we did, and I'm beginning to think that our idealistic 60's was the beginning of the end. Just look at all the "hippies" who went back to Daddy's money after 'dropping out', and left the rest of us wondering what happened! I'm hoping this article goes 'viral'. The 99% must stand up for itself which we started to last October. More articles like this please - maybe talk to us regular people and write an article about that. . .
Too many people believe they belong to the 1%.
Here is an unscientific guess just for the sake of the argument:
30% think they belong to the 1% and another 30% believe that one day they might join the 1%.
In my eyes that is the reason why so many people are against tax increase for the rich. They think they are rich and they are not. As a matter of fact, they could be as poor tomorrow as the next guy. "Sorry we had to streamline. Your job has been eliminated."
The Stieglitz is an excellent piece, and I truly wish that every American could both read and understand it. If they could, it would increase the probabilities that remedies can be managed through the ballot box rather
than through violence.
It disturbed me when the bank 'bailouts' did nothing to aid those households possessing mortgages on their primary and only homes were allowed to lose those homes - there was no bailout for them. What gives? Where is the justice?
People need something to work for and ones own home has been a primary driver of the American Dream or why bother. That is certainly why voters are more disillusioned than ever.
It is simple, in order to keep building America, start listening to the beleaguered Middle Class or there not only will be no Middle Class, there will be no AMerica worthy of saving.
Sincerely,
Wilma
We each have to find a way to relate to each others values.
That is not happening in real life, in politics, and in congress
does the 1% spend it? On stocks? Bonds? Land?
When there is a surplus supply of capital, we
should get a bubble---i.e. financial instability. While instability is not good for the 1% it may be OK for the .001%
It's sad, but Nixon was far to the left of today's Democrats. In fact, Obama, Clinton, and Carter are far to the right of Nixon, despite all this teanut hooraw about socialistic. People who use the world socialistic don't even know what socialism is. It's social security, one of the few government programs that works - if they'd stop robbing it. Would you want your social security to be invested in Enron?
All we export any more are war and pornos, but the Netherlands and Germany are producing, exporting, have vibrant economies, jobs, education, healthcare and strong socialism, but Also strong capitalism. The two are not antithetical.Bu t our Rupert-and-Koch controlled media keeps us in the dark with slogans and hatememes.
Would have given you a thumbs up but for that--and for mislabeling Social Security as socialism. We really need to get past these careless, antiquated cliches that substitute for real observation and thought.
Because trickle down works today's poor live better then the greatest of kings of just a few generations ago. Why even the most sacred progressive FDR was stricken by a disease that is largely unknown in our world.
But the problems in our system have more to do with distribution of returns than spending. Our current level of social spending is perfectly supportable after eliminating the Bush tax cuts for higher income people. We need to monitor expanding healthcare costs, but that could be solved with a single-payer system. The economy is unhealthy because half the public has no money in our current distribution system. This is due to muscle, not merit.
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