RSN Fundraising Banner
FB Share
Email This Page
add comment
Print

Bacevich writes: "In defense circles, 'cutting' the Pentagon budget has once again become a topic of conversation. Americans should not confuse that talk with reality. Any cuts exacted will at most reduce the rate of growth. The essential facts remain: U.S. military outlays today equal that of every other nation on the planet combined, a situation without precedent in modern history."

US aircraft carrier with carrier battle group behind. (photo: US Navy)
US aircraft carrier with carrier battle group behind. (photo: US Navy)


Cow Most Sacred: Why Military Spending Remains Untouchable

By Andrew J. Bacevich, TomDispatch

20 August 16

 


[Note to TomDispatch Readers: Today, TD pays a visit to a classic piece published at this site on January 27, 2011. In a way, it couldn�t be a sadder story, since so little has changed in the five-and-a-half years since Andrew Bacevich wrote it and so it remains, as he suggests in his new introduction, painfully relevant. Tom]

A writer who dares to revisit a snarky article dashed off five-plus years earlier will necessarily approach the task with some trepidation. Pieces such as the one republished below are not drafted with the expectation that they will enjoy a protracted shelf life. Yet in this instance, I'm with Edith Piaf: Non, je ne regrette rien. The original text stands without revision or amendment. Why bother to update, when the core argument remains true (at least in my estimation).

This past weekend, I attended the annual meeting of Veterans for Peace (VFP), held on this occasion in funky, funky Berkeley, California. The experience was both enlightening and humbling. VFP members are exemplars of democratic citizenship: informed, engaged, simultaneously realistic -- not expecting peace to bust out anytime soon -- and yet utterly determined to carry on with their cause. To revive a phrase from another day, they insist that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

What particularly impressed me was the ability of rank-and-file VFP members to articulate the structural roots of American militarism and imperialism. They understand that the problem isn't George W. Bush and Barack Obama (and therefore won't be solved by Hillary or The Donald).  It's not that we have a war party that keeps a peace party under its boot. No, the problem is bigger and deeper: a fraudulent idea of freedom defined in quantitative material terms; a neoliberal political economy that privileges growth over all other values; a political system in which Big Money�s corruption has become pervasive; and, of course, the behemoth of the national security apparatus, its tentacles reaching into the far quarters of American society -- even into the funky precincts of the San Francisco Bay Area. There is no peace party in this country, even if a remnant of Americans is still committed to the possibility of peace.

If any of my weekend confreres have occasion to read this piece on the second go-round, I hope that it will pass muster with them. If not, I know they will let me know in no uncertain terms.

-Andrew Bacevich, TomDispatch


Cow Most Sacred
Why Military Spending Remains Untouchable

n defense circles, �cutting� the Pentagon budget has once again become a topic of conversation.  Americans should not confuse that talk with reality. Any cuts exacted will at most reduce the rate of growth.  The essential facts remain: U.S. military outlays today equal that of every other nation on the planet combined, a situation without precedent in modern history.

The Pentagon presently spends more in constant dollars than it did at any time during the Cold War -- this despite the absence of anything remotely approximating what national security experts like to call a �peer competitor.�  Evil Empire?  It exists only in the fevered imaginations of those who quiver at the prospect of China adding a rust-bucket Russian aircraft carrier to its fleet or who take seriously the ravings of radical Islamists promising from deep inside their caves to unite the Umma in a new caliphate.

What are Americans getting for their money?  Sadly, not much.  Despite extraordinary expenditures (not to mention exertions and sacrifices by U.S. forces), the return on investment is, to be generous, unimpressive.  The chief lesson to emerge from the battlefields of the post-9/11 era is this: the Pentagon possesses next to no ability to translate �military supremacy� into meaningful victory.

Washington knows how to start wars and how to prolong them, but is clueless when it comes to ending them.  Iraq, the latest addition to the roster of America�s forgotten wars, stands as exhibit A.  Each bomb that blows up in Baghdad or some other Iraqi city, splattering blood all over the streets, testifies to the manifest absurdity of judging �the surge� as the epic feat of arms celebrated by the Petraeus lobby.

The problems are strategic as well as operational.  Old Cold War-era expectations that projecting U.S. power will enhance American clout and standing no longer apply, especially in the Islamic world.  There, American military activities are instead fostering instability and inciting anti-Americanism.  For Exhibit B, see the deepening morass that Washington refers to as AfPak or the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater of operations.

Add to that the mountain of evidence showing that Pentagon, Inc. is a miserably managed enterprise: hide-bound, bloated, slow-moving, and prone to wasting resources on a prodigious scale -- nowhere more so than in weapons procurement and the outsourcing of previously military functions to �contractors.�  When it comes to national security, effectiveness (what works) should rightly take precedence over efficiency (at what cost?) as the overriding measure of merit.  Yet beyond a certain level, inefficiency undermines effectiveness, with the Pentagon stubbornly and habitually exceeding that level.  By comparison, Detroit�s much-maligned Big Three offer models of well-run enterprises.

Impregnable Defenses

All of this takes place against the backdrop of mounting problems at home: stubbornly high unemployment, trillion-dollar federal deficits, massive and mounting debt, and domestic needs like education, infrastructure, and employment crying out for attention.

Yet the defense budget -- a misnomer since for Pentagon, Inc. defense per se figures as an afterthought -- remains a sacred cow.  Why is that? 

The answer lies first in understanding the defenses arrayed around that cow to ensure that it remains untouched and untouchable.  Exemplifying what the military likes to call a �defense in depth,� that protective shield consists of four distinct but mutually supporting layers. 

Institutional Self-Interest: Victory in World War II produced not peace, but an atmosphere of permanent national security crisis.  As never before in U.S. history, threats to the nation�s existence seemed omnipresent, an attitude first born in the late 1940s that still persists today.  In Washington, fear -- partly genuine, partly contrived -- triggered a powerful response. 

One result was the emergence of the national security state, an array of institutions that depended on (and therefore strove to perpetuate) this atmosphere of crisis to justify their existence, status, prerogatives, and budgetary claims.  In addition, a permanent arms industry arose, which soon became a major source of jobs and corporate profits.  Politicians of both parties were quick to identify the advantages of aligning with this �military-industrial complex,� as President Eisenhower described it. 

Allied with (and feeding off of) this vast apparatus that transformed tax dollars into appropriations, corporate profits, campaign contributions, and votes was an intellectual axis of sorts  -- government-supported laboratories, university research institutes, publications, think tanks, and lobbying firms (many staffed by former or would-be senior officials) -- devoted to identifying (or conjuring up) ostensible national security challenges and alarms, always assumed to be serious and getting worse, and then devising responses to them. 

The upshot: within Washington, the voices carrying weight in any national security �debate� all share a predisposition for sustaining very high levels of military spending for reasons having increasingly little to do with the well-being of the country.

Strategic Inertia: In a 1948 State Department document, diplomat George F. Kennan offered this observation: �We have about 50 percent of the world's wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population.�  The challenge facing American policymakers, he continued, was �to devise a pattern of relationships that will permit us to maintain this disparity.�  Here we have a description of American purposes that is far more candid than all of the rhetoric about promoting freedom and democracy, seeking world peace, or exercising global leadership. 

The end of World War II found the United States in a spectacularly privileged position.  Not for nothing do Americans remember the immediate postwar era as a Golden Age of middle-class prosperity.  Policymakers since Kennan�s time have sought to preserve that globally privileged position.  The effort has been a largely futile one. 

By 1950 at the latest, those policymakers (with Kennan by then a notable dissenter) had concluded that the possession and deployment of military power held the key to preserving America�s exalted status.  The presence of U.S. forces abroad and a demonstrated willingness to intervene, whether overtly or covertly, just about anywhere on the planet would promote stability, ensure U.S. access to markets and resources, and generally serve to enhance the country�s influence in the eyes of friend and foe alike -- this was the idea, at least. 

In postwar Europe and postwar Japan, this formula achieved considerable success.  Elsewhere -- notably in Korea, Vietnam, Latin America, and (especially after 1980) in the so-called Greater Middle East -- it either produced mixed results or failed catastrophically.  Certainly, the events of the post-9/11 era provide little reason to believe that this presence/power-projection paradigm will provide an antidote to the threat posed by violent anti-Western jihadism.  If anything, adherence to it is exacerbating the problem by creating ever greater anti-American animus.

One might think that the manifest shortcomings of the presence/power-projection approach -- trillions expended in Iraq for what? -- might stimulate present-day Washington to pose some first-order questions about basic U.S. national security strategy.  A certain amount of introspection would seem to be called for.  Could, for example, the effort to sustain what remains of America�s privileged status benefit from another approach? 

Yet there are few indications that our political leaders, the senior-most echelons of the officer corps, or those who shape opinion outside of government are capable of seriously entertaining any such debate.  Whether through ignorance, arrogance, or a lack of imagination, the pre-existing strategic paradigm stubbornly persists; so, too, as if by default do the high levels of military spending that the strategy entails.

Cultural Dissonance: The rise of the Tea Party movement should disabuse any American of the thought that the cleavages produced by the �culture wars� have healed.  The cultural upheaval touched off by the 1960s and centered on Vietnam remains unfinished business in this country. 

Among other things, the sixties destroyed an American consensus, forged during World War II, about the meaning of patriotism.  During the so-called Good War, love of country implied, even required, deference to the state, shown most clearly in the willingness of individuals to accept the government�s authority to mandate military service.  GI�s, the vast majority of them draftees, were the embodiment of American patriotism, risking life and limb to defend the country. 

The GI of World War II had been an American Everyman.  Those soldiers both represented and reflected the values of the nation from which they came (a perception affirmed by the ironic fact that the military adhered to prevailing standards of racial segregation).  It was �our army� because that army was �us.� 

With Vietnam, things became more complicated.  The war�s supporters argued that the World War II tradition still applied: patriotism required deference to the commands of the state.  Opponents of the war, especially those facing the prospect of conscription, insisted otherwise.  They revived the distinction, formulated a generation earlier by the radical journalist Randolph Bourne, that distinguished between the country and the state.  Real patriots, the ones who most truly loved their country, were those who opposed state policies they regarded as misguided, illegal, or immoral. 

In many respects, the soldiers who fought the Vietnam War found themselves caught uncomfortably in the center of this dispute.  Was the soldier who died in Vietnam a martyr, a tragic figure, or a sap?  Who deserved greater admiration:  the soldier who fought bravely and uncomplainingly or the one who served and then turned against the war?  Or was the war resister -- the one who never served at all -- the real hero? 

War�s end left these matters disconcertingly unresolved.  President Richard Nixon�s 1971 decision to kill the draft in favor of an All-Volunteer Force, predicated on the notion that the country might be better served with a military that was no longer �us,� only complicated things further.  So, too, did the trends in American politics where bona fide war heroes (George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John Kerry, and John McCain) routinely lost to opponents whose military credentials were non-existent or exceedingly slight (Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama), yet who demonstrated once in office a remarkable propensity for expending American blood (none belonging to members of their own families) in places like Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  It was all more than a little unseemly.

Patriotism, once a simple concept, had become both confusing and contentious.  What obligations, if any, did patriotism impose?  And if the answer was none -- the option Americans seemed increasingly to prefer -- then was patriotism itself still a viable proposition? 

Wanting to answer that question in the affirmative -- to distract attention from the fact that patriotism had become little more than an excuse for fireworks displays and taking the occasional day off from work -- people and politicians alike found a way to do so by exalting those Americans actually choosing to serve in uniform.  The thinking went this way: soldiers offer living proof that America is a place still worth dying for, that patriotism (at least in some quarters) remains alive and well; by common consent, therefore, soldiers are the nation�s �best,� committed to �something bigger than self� in a land otherwise increasingly absorbed in pursuing a material and narcissistic definition of self-fulfillment. 

In effect, soldiers offer much-needed assurance that old-fashioned values still survive, even if confined to a small and unrepresentative segment of American society.  Rather than Everyman, today�s warrior has ascended to the status of icon, deemed morally superior to the nation for which he or she fights, the repository of virtues that prop up, however precariously, the nation�s increasingly sketchy claim to singularity.

Politically, therefore, �supporting the troops� has become a categorical imperative across the political spectrum.  In theory, such support might find expression in a determination to protect those troops from abuse, and so translate into wariness about committing soldiers to unnecessary or unnecessarily costly wars.  In practice, however, �supporting the troops� has found expression in an insistence upon providing the Pentagon with open-ended drawing rights on the nation�s treasury, thereby creating massive barriers to any proposal to affect more than symbolic reductions in military spending. 

Misremembered History: The duopoly of American politics no longer allows for a principled anti-interventionist position.  Both parties are war parties.  They differ mainly in the rationale they devise to argue for interventionism.  The Republicans tout liberty; the Democrats emphasize human rights.  The results tend to be the same: a penchant for activism that sustains a never-ending demand for high levels of military outlays.

American politics once nourished a lively anti-interventionist tradition.  Leading proponents included luminaries such as George Washington and John Quincy Adams.  That tradition found its basis not in principled pacifism, a position that has never attracted widespread support in this country, but in pragmatic realism.  What happened to that realist tradition?  Simply put, World War II killed it -- or at least discredited it.  In the intense and divisive debate that occurred in 1939-1941, the anti-interventionists lost, their cause thereafter tarred with the label �isolationism.� 

The passage of time has transformed World War II from a massive tragedy into a morality tale, one that casts opponents of intervention as blackguards.  Whether explicitly or implicitly, the debate over how the United States should respond to some ostensible threat -- Iraq in 2003, Iran today -- replays the debate finally ended by the events of December 7, 1941.  To express skepticism about the necessity and prudence of using military power is to invite the charge of being an appeaser or an isolationist.  Few politicians or individuals aspiring to power will risk the consequences of being tagged with that label. 

In this sense, American politics remains stuck in the 1930s -- always discovering a new Hitler, always privileging Churchillian rhetoric -- even though the circumstances in which we live today bear scant resemblance to that earlier time.  There was only one Hitler and he�s long dead.  As for Churchill, his achievements and legacy are far more mixed than his battalions of defenders are willing to acknowledge.  And if any one figure deserves particular credit for demolishing Hitler�s Reich and winning World War II, it�s Josef Stalin, a dictator as vile and murderous as Hitler himself. 

Until Americans accept these facts, until they come to a more nuanced view of World War II that takes fully into account the political and moral implications of the U.S. alliance with the Soviet Union and the U.S. campaign of obliteration bombing directed against Germany and Japan, the mythic version of �the Good War� will continue to provide glib justifications for continuing to dodge that perennial question: How much is enough?

Like concentric security barriers arrayed around the Pentagon, these four factors -- institutional self-interest, strategic inertia, cultural dissonance, and misremembered history -- insulate the military budget from serious scrutiny.  For advocates of a militarized approach to policy, they provide invaluable assets, to be defended at all costs. 



Andrew J. Bacevich, a TomDispatch regular, is author of America�s War for the Greater Middle East: A Military History.

e-max.it: your social media marketing partner
Email This Page

 

Comments  

We are concerned about a recent drift towards vitriol in the RSN Reader comments section. There is a fine line between moderation and censorship. No one likes a harsh or confrontational forum atmosphere. At the same time everyone wants to be able to express themselves freely. We'll start by encouraging good judgment. If that doesn't work we'll have to ramp up the moderation.

General guidelines: Avoid personal attacks on other forum members; Avoid remarks that are ethnically derogatory; Do not advocate violence, or any illegal activity.

Remember that making the world better begins with responsible action.

- The RSN Team

 
-28 # lindyb 2012-10-10 15:32
Isn't this the article by Robert Reich that I read earlier today?
 
 
+30 # fredboy 2012-10-10 15:37
Amen. Throw a half a billion dollars at any cause and it becomes unending hype.
 
 
+1 # Ma Tsu 2012-10-12 18:49
Political campaigns are so designedly made into emotional orgies which endeavor to distract attention from the real issues involved that they actually paralyze what slight powers of cerebration we can ordinarily muster.
We of the National Optimists Party are thus distinguished as the only party advocating elevated powers of cerebration.
 
 
+13 # LeeBlack 2012-10-10 15:37
"The Truth shall set you fee"
 
 
+39 # L. Sabransky 2012-10-10 16:13
Obama has had the bully pulpit for almost 4 years to push out the truth and promote the good things he's done, as well as the dispute the lies with truth. In the times he has done so, he does it with a one-liner and moves on, because, as we've learned, he has a distaste for messy conflict.
Not sure who Taibbi means when he says "the rest of us." I and other progressives I know have been communicating until our fingers fall off to spread truth and motivate progressives/De ms to engage. I have written to Obama and other elected officials, pleading with them to fight the bullies. For two years, I have been sounding the warning bell about Repubs stealing their 3rd election and criticizing the Dem Party for their lack of defense of our Democracy as well as their poor messaging.
If Taibbi means the "media" in reference to spreading truth, again, who in the mainstream media is going to do that? Mother Jones broke through with the scathing 47% video, but within a week and one debate, that traction has all but evaporated.
As many experienced political careerists have said: campaigns are not to educate. Sorry, but if Obama and the DNC haven't figured out how to reach Americans with their positive message abotu the role government plays in our lives and if they haven't learned from Clinton's war room that they must combat the BS like they're at war, then I don't hold out much hope for the next four weeks making a difference.
 
 
+31 # wipster 2012-10-10 17:49
JazBing, I think you are correct in your assessment. I watched Frontline on PBS(!?) on both candidates the other night talking about Obama's belief he actually could get both parties to work together and therefore left the discussion about how to modify Romneycare to be a nationwide plan in the hands of the Congress, which as the Dems should have told him, would turn out to be the first of many divisive issues in his first term. Hope did not help because the Repubs knew they could turn resistance to it into a huge asset for them, giving birth to the Tea Party and the 2010 elections.

The main reason for this is the Dems tendency to listen to all viewpoints vs. the Repubs ability to all promote a single viewpoint, reading off the same script (as shown so many times by Stewart and Colbert). The Dems really need to have a strategy developed by a specialist in personality types like Myers/Briggs and then stick to it in order to make the independents/pr ogressives truly think about what the Repubs are proposing.

If they're smart, they will take Romney's tendency to change his positions based on what way the wind is blowing (much as Clinton did today) and point out this man will do and say anything to become President because he believes it's his destiny and his turn, not because of what will be good for America or the world.

But I still think they have his tax returns in their back pocket and it will be the October surprise.
 
 
-17 # brux 2012-10-10 23:07
Obama seems to change his positions too, he just does not talk about it, he just does it, and the tried to blame it on the Republicans, or better yet he lets other people do his work for him and blame the Republicans.

He let Bill Clinton give his speech at the DNC.

He let Bill Clinton defend him after his bad debate showing.

What is wrong with Obama, and what is wrong with American progressives?
 
 
+12 # CL38 2012-10-11 11:18
Why wasn't Bush at the RNC, supporting Romney/Ryan???? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ??????????????? ????
 
 
+14 # tazia@aol.com 2012-10-11 14:39
Quoting CL38:
Why wasn't Bush at the RNC, supporting Romney/Ryan??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He wasn't invited...curio us isn't it?
 
 
+11 # Billy Bob 2012-10-11 18:44
He wasn't invited because repugs always go into denial immediately after one of their own is no longer able to lie about the conservative agenda. bush jr. acted on the conservative agenda. For that, he's now as popular as bubonic gonorrhea.

Next...

Now Twit's the man they'll hang all their hopes on for further destroying this country and this planet.

Once the ugly face of conservative ideology makes itself know again (as soon as his real agenda becomes apparent), they'll just toss him aside like rush limb-blow has done to so many buckets of chicken.
 
 
+7 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-11 18:37
Why? Several reasons. My research shows that no less than 500,000 Iraqi citizens were killed by the Bush/Cheney Iraqi invasion. An invasion of the "wrong" country based on 9-11, yet an invasion of the "right" country to steal Iraqi oil. Society needs to face the fact that no less than some part of 500,000 innocent humans will never see their children go off to school. A wife or husband never again say "I love you" before they would have died a natural death. Bush/Cheney used DEPLETED URANIUM as an intregal part of ammunition. Hundreds of metric tons. "Depleted unranium" is a false label given to uranium as found in its natural state. One isotope has been removed-still very deadly. Uranium dust particles get carried by the winds, enters the water supplies. 7-10 fold (not %) increase in cancer rates since medical records have been kept before and after the war. Children now being born without eyes, etc. I have heard that Bush/Cheney, particularly
Cheney is experiencing, subject to an over whelming number of death threats as compared to a less violent, less treacherous "normal" retiring public figure. Several countries have outstanding arrest warrents for Cheney. Check your computer-there are some U.S. eastern states which have outstanding arrest warrents for Cheney-if he sets foot down in those states. And why, if we know the facts, do we wonder why the murdering Bush/Cheney and the rest of the "gang" were not invited to or asked to participate in the RNC? Another 9-11?
 
 
+1 # L. Sabransky 2012-10-11 22:34
Thanks Wipster! Yes, I watched it too. A reinforcement of his style. Well, as Einstein said, trying the same thing over and over with the same negative results is by definition, insanity. (I don't agree, but, there is a point to be made.)
You would like George Lakoff, if you haven't read him - he talks about the diversity of liberals. He advised the DNCon messaging, but I see no indication they listened to him.
 
 
+15 # wantrealdemocracy 2012-10-10 20:12
JazBing agrees with Matti Taibbi that there are TWO candidates. WRONG!! and that is the problem. We have more candidates but of course the big money doesn't want us to know that. All we have to do is figure out which one is the lesser evil. How 'bout we don't vote for evil at all? We do that out of fear and fear and democracy can't co exist. We need the courage to vote for what we want that will be better than what we have. Forget the corporate duo. Vote for one of the other candidates! Let's change things in our nation and end the wars and tax the rich!
 
 
+14 # Observer 47 2012-10-10 21:53
BRAVO, realdemocracy!! FINALLY, someone has said it!!!! And Taibbi should know better than to write a line including the phrase, "...free TV access for both candidates." If TV access was free, then we'd actually have the field of candidates we SHOULD have. In 2004, a whole roster of legitimate, duly registered candidates was barred from the debates, under the theory that they weren't real contenders. These candidates couldn't afford TV media blitzes, so the TV media deemed them not worthy of participating in the debates. Absolutely inexcusable!
 
 
-5 # indian weaver 2012-10-11 06:11
I agree. Voting for the "Lesser of Two Evils" is not voting your conscience. Vote for Green or for Rocky Anderson of The Justice Party, or anyone but the 2 evils: obama jo mama and rotgut romney. Voting ones conscience is clean for the soul and spirit, and in time makes a difference, if one does it. we need a parliamentary system like Sweden and much of european countries so all of us can be included in the concerns of "our" government. Sweden has 8 parties. The 2 we have are destructive and hopelessly tied to the 1% forever.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2012-10-11 18:45
Allowing the greater evil to destroy this country is not something I can do with a clean conscience.
 
 
+1 # Eduardo3 2012-10-13 17:10
I sympathize with you, indian weaver. I voted for Nader in 2000, thinking Bush & Gore were more or less the same. But it turns out I was wrong. Does anyone think Gore would've invaded Iraq after 9/11 instead of focusing the resources on the actual perpetrators? See Eldon's eloquent post above for details on that humanitarian catastrophe. Now a war with Iran is on the horizon. So, since I live in a swing state, I have to go with the lesser evil. JazBing below also gives some good reasons. For those of you who don't live in swing states, I definitely think you should vote for Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson. (Hopefully one day we can do away with the antiquated, undemocratic Electoral College system so that all votes for President are counted equally but that is another issue.)
 
 
+1 # Eliza D 2012-10-14 09:46
I'm with you indian weaver. If only more people would see that this cozy, talk-a-lot,do-l ittle old boys club of Repubs and Dems is not going to accomplish the real change we need in the world. We need to address climate change,Keystone Pipeline, fracking,Fukush ima, GMOS,economic meltdown NOW.
 
 
0 # L. Sabransky 2012-10-12 11:23
Good point, #WRD - I actually would like to vote Green. I was also holding out hope that a progressive independent would joing the race. It was the Supreme Court decision on the ACA that caused me to change my mind and decide to vote for Obama. That, and because the race is close, I just can't let the walking WMDs known as Romney and Ryan win or steal the election.
However, I firmly believe as you, that we must stop looking toward elected officials for fundamental, transformationa l change. It is not currently in their own self-interests, and with our current system, the only thing driving them is that - their own interests. We will not get publicly-funded elections from an Obama administration, nor any other part of the progressive agenda, unless we fight for it. It's really the progressives who dropped the ball and cannot do so any longer - it is up to us to hold our own candidates accountable.
 
 
-8 # brux 2012-10-10 23:05
Obama should be ashamed that he told us all that he could be President when he had not even had a full term in the Senate nor gotten anything significant done in his life.

I jumped on the bandwagon when there was no choice, because an unknown seemed better than what I was seeing in the Democratic/Repu blican debates of 2008.

I can understand taking time to get up to speed, but I don't see Obama getting up to speed, I see him pretty much putt-putting along - maybe even in reverse.

No universal health care, a lie that gives record money to the insurance industry which is most of the health care problem.

Then the financial crisis - not one corporate criminal indicted and convicted still and no sign of Obama doing that. Put the same guys in charge of the fix as the ones who brought about the crisis in the first place, and too big to fail is bigger.

Last election Obama told us if the economy did not recover he would be a one-term President, and he should have kept his word. At least we would have had Democrats debating all the last year along with the nutso Republicans that seem to have confused Americans too much.

OK, all of that would be understandable if Obama had learned, gotten up to speed and done something, but he just has not. He is still just playing the I'm not Bush card. I want more I expect more.
 
 
+28 # angelfish 2012-10-10 16:44
Right again, Matt! Sadly, some Americans WANT Hype! They LOVE it. They WANT to be seduced by the Romney's of the World like they were by the Bush's. They LOVE flowery phrases, being lied to, and some one who "looks" the part. They don't give a DAMN about substance OR performance! Considering ALL he's had to put up with from the opposition, President Obama has done a commendable job. The ReTHUGlicans seem to forget that the "shrub's" fouled up mantra is exactly WHY this President MUST be re-elected! It is simply this, "Fool me once, Shame on YOU! Fool me Twice, Shame on ME"! We will NOT be fooled again into voting AGAINST our best interests! It is they, the "ME-Firsters", who got us INTO all this misery! So dear Folks, never, EVER vote ReTHUGlican!
 
 
+18 # cdmatt1223@aol.com 2012-10-10 16:51
I agree all the way to what appears to be a likening of Chris Matthews to Sean Hannity. No way are they similar.
 
 
0 # Eduardo3 2012-10-13 17:11
???
 
 
+26 # moreover 2012-10-10 16:55
I saw an article recently claiming without the huge influx of political ad money broadcasters would starve. Something along the lines of "ties us over the lean times".
If only they would.
As for the fear mongering: Many of the fears about a Romney rule are entirely justified. Their economic ideas are proven wrong, their anti-women agenda is horrific, they want to let neo-con war criminals add to their global crimes and stack the Supreme court with right wing ideologues, roll back environmental legislation, including CAFE standards - the list is endless.
Plus their figureheads are an extreme ideologue and an extreme lier. You better be afraid.
 
 
+16 # dovelane1 2012-10-10 17:53
I'd like to see Tim Walz (Minnesota 1st district D) debate Romney. He'd kick his butt. I heard him on Mn Public Radio this noon.

One thing he said. He has a sign on his desk that says if the fact don't fit the ideology, you need to change the ideology. That should be required for every politician's desk.

Of course, then you'd have those politicians who believe their opinions to be facts, even though they can't prove them.
 
 
+11 # hilo 2012-10-10 17:01
Amen. And actual details about legislation and decisions that effect the way we live our lives might be a part of that quieter time so that we would know when we have a good program and how to improve it.
 
 
+23 # tgemberl 2012-10-10 17:05
Mike,
I agree whole-heartedly . I wish we could get away from the idea of political advertising as protected free speech. It doesn't shed any light on the decisions we need to make as citizens.

Someone told me recently that in France, there are hundreds of candidates for the highest office (President or Prime Minister?) who get media time to present their ideas. Then the voters choose which ones are the best to consider for a final vote. I'm not sure how it is done, but I wonder if it might provide an alternative to the way advertising money narrows done the slate of candidates in this country. He seemed to think that in France, it was all about the candidates' ideas and qualifications, not how they get packaged by advertising firms.
 
 
+2 # indian weaver 2012-10-11 06:14
This many candidates is a no-brainer. France has a parliamentary system that works, like Sweden etc. We need it. See my earlier comment above. That is how we can all be included in the government. As it is, 99% of us are no longer represented in this so-called laughable democracy. we are now a "fascist terrorist regime of war", at home and abroad. The government is now against you, not for you, and it has become your enemy.
 
 
+34 # Working Class 2012-10-10 17:08
Once again, Taibbi nails it. The process, not the policy advocated by the parties/candida tes, has become central. It makes the media tons of money keeping us glued to the screen to hear/see the lastest from the screaming heads. Taking money out of the process should be our goal. Join Move to Amend which is working to amend the the Constitution to once and for all establish that only real human beings are "persons" and money is not "speach". Public funding only for elections, free access to the public airways and a critical media, more interested in truth than ratings, are the only hope for democracy.
 
 
+1 # wrknight 2012-10-11 09:50
But WHY do you stay glued to the screen? You don't have to. There are no chains or ropes binding you to the tube. Nobody is holding a gun to your head. Ignore the damned thing! Turn it OFF! Walk away from it! Find something better to do with your time!

You CHOOSE to stay glued to the screen, so they CHOOSE to keep feeding you the Kool Aid.
They will only stop when you stop.
 
 
+2 # Working Class 2012-10-11 11:18
Quoting wrknight:
But WHY do you stay glued to the screen? You don't have to. There are no chains or ropes binding you to the tube. Nobody is holding a gun to your head. Ignore the damned thing! Turn it OFF! Walk away from it! Find something better to do with your time!

You CHOOSE to stay glued to the screen, so they CHOOSE to keep feeding you the Kool Aid.
They will only stop when you stop.

I personally don't depend on TV programing for my info. Never the less, every survey says the over whelming majority of people get the majority of their info from the tube. I agree with your basic premise that people should expand their sources for info. For instance, participating in stimulating exchanges of thought, especially because it exposes you to ideas you may not agree with, like this blog. Keep it up!
 
 
-1 # brux 2012-10-10 17:18
> Well, it's over. Or almost over, thank God. It looks like Obama will probably win

Matt,isn't that hype too. The big todo about Obama's debate performance that night has been spun out via the media precisely because it hit at something important unconsciously.

I'm not voting AGAINST ROMNEY more than FOR OBAMA, but the debate made them look roughly equivalent, and I am fully partisan for a Democrat. Obama again did not look like a Democrat.

I know that Romney played the 'move to the center' card - like Bush, denying policies that he will pick up post-election, and no mentions of specifics because he is going to come in with Republican interests like Cheney with energy and "decide" how the future is going to look. Or we get Obama and its more of the last 4 years. Nothing good here.

Through having too many too big to fail giant corporations we now have a too big to influence government where only those on the level of hundreds of millions of dollars has any say about anything.

Obama has no way to explain his agenda or , and neither does Romney, they both are just there to speak to some vaguely defined marginal majority of media watchers that are what makes up political reality for the people.

There is nothing but hype anymore!
 
 
+10 # ahaywood 2012-10-11 06:05
Brux darling you sound like you are in a state of depression. Can you at least recall the state this country was in when Obama took office? We were a sinking ship--big time--and look at us now. We at least are beginning to surface. Check it out! The Republican have managed to stall whatever progress could have been made and now the country is thinking of putting a puppet like Romney in place to set us back! Shameful thing man. Romney/Bush/Che ney/Wars/Money/ Corporations/Wa ll Street/=the end of the middle class.
 
 
-4 # brux 2012-10-11 15:23
Well, thanks for the concern, if that is what it is.

I am pretty unhappy that we have really no choice this election cycle, not even that, we cannot know what we have because both candidates are really jerking the American people around.

Obama talks his talk, but he did not make a stand over the Bush tax cut issue and deep inside my not really believe letting taxes go us will help anything.

How are you going to feel if Obama is re-elected and then blames the Republicans again for keeping the Bush tax cuts in place while the deficit continues to rise?

They say it's hard to prove a negative, that is, the recession would have been worse if Obama had not been in office. I believe that because I do think the stimulus worked, but there is no money or support for another one, and the first one was not targeted right anyway.

All these guys are puppets, not just Romney. Obama is just as much pro-military industrial complex as Romney.

Are you happy about that?
 
 
-4 # 666 2012-10-11 16:13
quoting "We were a sinking ship--big time--and look at us now. We at least are beginning to surface."

I don't think the facts support this assessment. if anything, we've more clearly broken into 2 economies: one at the top that's well into recovery, and one at the bottom that's still in a depression.

besides, we may have been on a sinking ship 4 years ago, but remember the titanic, it nosed down until its keel broke, then settled down level in the water (and some people thought it was going to be ok), but it started to flood, and quickly went down.

as a country, we're right about the part where the keel has broken (is breaking).

with either hello mitty or bo, we're going down and the lifeboats have already left, filled with the rich.

fear, hype, fact? we'll just have to wait and see.
 
 
+14 # Mickeyfilm 2012-10-10 17:20
I believe that if John Adams was alive today that he would also agree with Matt Taibbi. Whoever is president barely gets a chance at his or her term before they have to start campaigning. I believe the nutty factions of the Republican party used "extremely long period of campaigning" to come to be an influence. What drives me the most crazy is how vicious the Republican Party has become.
 
 
0 # roundman 2012-10-10 17:21
easy for me, difficult for you !
 
 
+22 # indianfirst 2012-10-10 17:35
The conservative Coke Stevenson when running for public office in Texas, eventually against Lyndon Johnson, said we are a nation of laws otherwise it would be my guy in and then your guy in. Influence would reign. I take that to heart when I see the Supreme Court ruling that corporations are individuals and can give any amount of money to campaigns. That ruling nudged the country away from laws into influence. We have the sad, sad result now. No less than our country is at stake and our nation of laws - the foundation that keeps us from sliding into the abyss. The failed jurists in the Supreme Court are leading the way, in my opinion.
 
 
0 # Eduardo3 2012-10-13 17:20
Well said. The power of the Supreme Court is a pretty good reason to vote for Obama to be the one who names any upcoming replacement justices, rather than Romney. Biden made that point well in his debate.
 
 
+6 # Bonz 2012-10-10 17:54
Personally,I'd like to know "What is the Overseas Private Investment Corporation up to, and what do each of the candidates think about it?" I'm sick of the media's coverave of the campaign. I'd much rather hear the substance than have to dig for it for hours on the Net. Is there any place to get UNBIASED News?
 
 
+2 # brux 2012-10-11 00:56
> Is there any place to get UNBIASED News?

No, in fact there is no such thing as unbiased news.

I'll settle for honest news and competent reporting. I think PBS does a pretty good job on must stuff, Democracy Now! on anything except the Middle East.

The capitalist everything is money vision of the world makes it impossible to get disinterested news let alone unbiased news. Most of the books we see are marketing material in some way. Titles are there to sell books that do not live up to the titles because the publishing company knows if they leave things open you will buy another book.

Ironically the capitalist money economy has made competition less instead of more.
 
 
-11 # AReber 2012-10-10 18:38
One problem is that our elections are held on regular dates. When elections are "called" (parliaments) the event is unpredictable and ramp-up time is shorter.

Since the GOP acts like they're in a parliamentary system maybe we should just slide over. Our friends to the north have done pretty well with theirs.

But, no matter. It's hard to disagree with your points -- you are getting boring, you know. You and Krugman ....
 
 
+7 # ahaywood 2012-10-11 06:10
AReber apparently you have no idea of what the parliaments are doing. Haven't you noticed that there is a global crisis going on? So you think Matt and Krugman are boring...well, I think you fit that bill perfectly. Take your butt to the nearest bookstore and read up on the parlimentary system.
 
 
+12 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-10-10 18:41
Republicans are predators. Until the Democrats are able to teach this real idea to the public, the Democrats may survive from time to time but it will not be easy for the Democrats. The Republicans are at war against progressive ideas. They know they are at war, actually enjoy the war. The Democrats are too nice, most if not all of the Democratic "warriors" come to the war with water pistols, maybe BB guns.
 
 
+4 # socrates2 2012-10-10 18:48
Mr. Taibbi, operative phrase, "we rob people of...their desire to vote. If The Process is so clearly wrong,..?"
That is the point. I agree. Hence, the low voter turnout.
In a couple of days research, we pretty much know who we will and won't vote for. TV and the rest become superfluous after that. So why bother with keeping up with the horse-races the media has reduced election season to? Even the televised farces, so-called "debates," sink into irrelevance.
"The Nation"--on a weekly basis--makes the same point; as did Hellinger and Judd in their early 90's classic, _The Democratic Facade_.
Moving on.
 
 
+2 # CodexBookman 2012-10-10 19:25
As usual, Matt is on the mark. The best way to deal with the high volume of lies and vitriol is simple. Watch the foodchannel!
 
 
0 # Eduardo3 2012-10-13 17:34
Or maybe turn off the TV and get out in the streets? I was impressed to read about a national protest of indigenous people in Guatemala on the anniversary of Columbus's landing in the Caribbean. People came from all over the country to demonstrate for their rights after a recent massacre in one village. One guy said he walked 10 hours, and I'm sure that wasn't unusual. These individuals made connections between history and contemporary economic issues. One mother said she wanted to protect the land for their descendants. Such an event could not have happened if people had been glued to the TV. Unlike Guatemalans, we in the U.S. do not have to fear soldiers murdering us for protesting, yet still most of us - including myself - do little more than gripe.
 
 
0 # Eduardo3 2012-10-13 18:24
Correction: I re-read the article and it was a woman who traveled 10 hours to the capital for the protest, and the article did not say she walked 10 hours, just that she *traveled* 10 hours over rural roads... But that still puts me to shame.
 
 
+4 # Linwood 2012-10-10 19:26
So true. The rest of the civilized world does not elect their leaders this way, as mentioned by previous posters. I've lived in 5 countries, and think that voters there are better informed than in the US. That's no doubt due to many factors, but among them surely have to be no American-style 'debates' (merely an opportunity to regurgitate campaign speeches), limited campaign seasons, publicly-funded campaigns, less corporate control of media (ok, maybe that one's a bit idealistic)... There's so much wrong with this system, it can hardly be called democracy any more.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2012-10-10 19:45
As a foreign observer and activist who lives here, I've been saying this stuff long and often before and since I discovered RSN.
Think about it: the longer the election season lasts, the more it plays into the hands of the big media, big corporate interests, their lobbyists and patsies who can afford to pay the costs of truth-twisting, oblige the attacked to respond in kind and in cost, and the less it concerns those of us who are just trying to keep the lights on and food on the table.
The US electoral season begins just after inauguration day, especially when you have a congress so dedicated to unseating and disgracing the incumbent. -And it really doesn't work does it (every incumbent since Nixon has had two terms except for Carter and Bush senior)?
But there seems to be no will to change this from any perspective.
One other stinking but obvious side effect that the jockeying for power and the loudest voice (but which is never recognized as such), is that the seemingly requisite fluff, tinsel and jingoism of electionism (my term) prevents the elected "Law makers" from thoroughly examining each issue presented to them in depth and really doing the jobs you sent them to D.C. to do, so intent are they on covering their carefully orchestrated and choreographed rear ends.
What to do about it -I haven't a clue, given the entrenched attitudes of all involved!
You might start by RECOGNIZING the problem instead of numbly perpetrating it!
 
 
+5 # Smokey 2012-10-10 20:20
(Sigh.) It's difficult to imagine a good solution to the present mess.... Suppose, for the sake of the discussion, that the American Consitution was amended to say, "All Presidential campaigns shall last a maximum of six weeks." What would happen?

Wealthy politicians - like Romney - would tour the country for a year, to "discuss the issues with Americans." Like Reagan, the wealthy and influential politicians would find hundreds of opportunities to grab the public's attention. They would be asked, "Are you running for President?" Response: "Not yet."

Meanwhile, the Rush Limbaugh-types would continue to stir up trouble. Limbaugh started his attacks on President-elect Obama a few days after the 2008 election!
Obama wasn't even in the White House.

So it's possible that the national campaigns will ALWAYS be in motion. We may never see any significant pauses. Already, the political parties are planning for the 2016 elections.
 
 
+10 # fdawei 2012-10-10 20:45
I think one of the major problems is all the advertising, talking heads, those for and against, the perpetrators of the vile and pernicious statements, the so-called "experts" all end up being like a horrible soap-opera with so many many voices talking over each other, the messages, which are now akin to commercials, are no longer relevant.

Billions and billions of dollars wasted for selfish self-interests, where the money could be used to better society, create safe environments for children, the abused and downtrodden. But this Samaritan approach doesn't benefit the Koch's, Wall Street and the other high-powered and monied crooks among us.

But democracy is great, isn't it?
 
 
+4 # C.Gill 2012-10-10 22:04
I wonder how many people don't vote because of all the coverage. I'd like to see a ban on TV and Radio campaign advertisement.
 
 
+4 # lourdmar 2012-10-10 23:26
Amen! I long for that day. Thanks Matt
 
 
+6 # wrknight 2012-10-11 07:04
Absolutely correct, but missing a key point. The audience sucks it up, like Jim Jones' Kool Aid.

It's the audience's choice to view this crap and purchase the products that pay for it. You don't really have to watch TV to get the news; and in fact, TV is the least efficient way there is to get news. The same goes for entertainment. The problem is that many people have gotten too lazy to read and some are too lazy to think.

A professor if mine, many years ago, claimed that Life Magazine was for people who can't read and Time Magazine was for people who can't think. Modern American TV is for people who can do neither.
 
 
+2 # dovelane1 2012-10-12 03:32
I took a class for my Human Relations minor titled "Citizenship Skills." What an eye-opener. I was a non-traditional student, so I was in my 40's when I took the class.

I never heard of "citizenship skills" in my previous 16 or 17 years of school. This was not taught in high school. Very little critical thinking was taught in my schools. Very little support for curiosity or creativity. I think a lot of this may go back to the "dumbing down" of students. The "don't rock the boat, status quo, be seen and not heard" priorities of many schools. Can't say "all" because I don't know.

In the process of the classes I took for my human relations minor, I believe I developed a "b.s. detector." How do we go about developing b.s. detectors in kids, without turning them into cynics?

The way I figure it, if my priority is to get to the truth, and the person I'm dealing with has the same priority, we'll eventually get to it.

It's those with the "my way or highway" attitude that I find hardest to deal with. Rush Limaugh comes immediately to mind.

I don't have a tv, so it's either public radio, or RSN.
 
 
-2 # Kathymoi 2012-10-11 09:56
Some agreement some disagreement with this reporter. The process is terrible now. Yes. There should be free access to television coverage for candidates. yes. And reporters should give us in depth reporting on issues, history behind issues, and the economic truth of who gets the profits and who pays what expenses in situations before us. But the presidency is not a 6 week issue. We needed to begin earlier rather than later to find a worthy candidate and to learn his/her point of view, political background, character background, and so on. We need to know our candiates and make a well founded choice based on real information, and that takes time and should take time. A candidate should be able to show us his/her character and tendencies over a good long time-two years is about right.
 
 
+5 # alg0rhythm 2012-10-11 09:58
The campaign should start and finish in six weeks, and there should be free TV access to both candidates.

Yes, Matt, Yes!
 
 
+5 # Billsy 2012-10-11 11:12
Fully agree Matt. Note the combative and hysterical tone of most comments above and it proves what excessive media exposure can do to one's psyche. Try hiding political FB posts for a day and note how relaxed you become. Unsubscribe to friends' overly zealous posts and again, feel the wave of serenity that surrounds you.
 
 
+5 # 1984 2012-10-11 11:17
1. Bravo! This is the stuff we should be hearing much much more about.
2. This is the result of capitalism in its purest (Ryan) form.....corpor atios own the media. Corporations want profit without responsibility. Fear, trauma, panic are the things that get the most viewing and thus the most advertisig, i.e. profit. I believe the media is actually running this country, not the president, congressmen, et. al.
 
 
+3 # crinvegas 2012-10-11 11:41
What a refreshing article, and such common sense. I'm so tired of looking at poll numbers, yet can't resist. I'm so tired of reading commnents like mine, yet can't resist. I wish I were not retired so that I was forced to do something meaningful during the day. I feel totally bombarded, yet can't resist turning on either my computer or tv to see the latest campaign garbage. If the Brits can limit their campaigns to six weeks, why can't we?
 
 
+4 # ericlipps 2012-10-11 14:40
Quote:
The campaign should start and finish in six weeks, and there should be free TV access to both candidates.
Surely you mean *all* candidates. And it'll never happen. Too many people have too much invested in these long campaigns, and that includes the TV networks, who get big bucks out of them.
 

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.

RSNRSN