Pierce writes: "Over the past 10 years, and particularly over the past three, we have seen as a consistent strategy by conservative Republicans thinking, and then acting, on the unthinkable."
Grover Norquist raised the specter of impeachment in a recent interview with the National Journal. (photo: Cliff Owen/AP)
Grover Norquist's 'Impeach Obama' Fantasy
31 January 12
ne of the more piquant passages in the interview that Mark Warren and I did with former President Bill Clinton, which appears in this month's production of Esquire: The Magazine is this part right at the top where Clinton talks about a change of heart experienced by a former GOP congresscritter named Bob Inglis, who lost in a primary in 2010 because he said disrespectful things about Glenn Beck but who, in the giddy years of the late 1990's, wielded his pitchfork most enthusiastically in the cause of impeaching Clinton, an effort for which he recently apologized, according to the former president, who nonetheless told us:
I had a fascinating meeting with Bob Inglis the other day. Bob Inglis was an extremely conservative Republican congressman from South Carolina. He was a three-term-pledge guy in the nineties.... So he came to me and he said, "I just want you to know, when you got elected, I hated you. And I asked to be on the Judiciary Committee in 1993, because a bunch of us had already made up our minds that no matter what you did or didn't do, we were going to find some way to impeach you. We hated you. You had no right to be president."
This has been a consistent something-more-than-a-rumor ever since Bill Clinton took office - that the Republicans wanted him removed from the first day he took office, and that they were not waiting for a crime so much as they were waiting for the moment when they had the votes to do it. (That this is a monumental act of contempt for the people who elected him their president should not concern us here, because it apparently never concerned the Republicans.) At this point, of course, impeachment was still considered by the country at large to be a constitutional artifact, as it had been even at the beginning of the country. Thomas Jefferson was both wary of the political uses to which it could be put, and also prone to ridiculing the whole notion. In 1798, in a letter to James Madison, Jefferson called it "the most formidable weapon for the purpose of dominant faction that ever was contrived." Twenty-two years later, in another letter, this one to Thomas Ritchie, he famously dismissed it as a "scarecrow."
However, in committing themselves essentially to the impeachment of Bill Clinton with or without criminal cause, and simply because they had the votes for it, the Republicans seriously upped the ante, and they put flesh on Jefferson's scarecrow into the bargain. It was seriously argued in Republican circles that it is within Congress's power to impeach the president if they simply do not like the policies he attempts to enact. (In her impeachment book, Ann Coulter surmises that President George H.W. Bush theoretically could have been impeached for raising taxes, and thereby breaking a promise he'd made in accepting the Republican nomination in 1988.) I followed this whole thing pretty closely in 1997 and 1998 and I don't recall any of our prominent pundits, or many of the people covering the events, mentioning at the time that the Republicans were preparing to impeach Clinton for something just about from the moment his hand left the Bible, which is pretty much what Inglis copped to when he spoke to the former president more recently.
Which makes me a little less sanguine than most people when I hear that Grover Norquist is going on about the subject again:
Obama can sit there and let all the tax [cuts] lapse, and then the Republicans will have enough votes in the Senate in 2014 to impeach. The last year, he’s gone into this huddle where he does everything by executive order. He’s made no effort to work with Congress.
Yes, and I have made "no effort" to convince Holy Mother Church to close St. Patrick's and open up a fried-dough stand in its place.
Over the past 10 years, and particularly over the past three, we have seen as a consistent strategy by conservative Republicans thinking, and then acting, on the unthinkable. Nobody ever used the filibuster the way they have. All the "gentlemen's agreements" that grease the wheels of the legislative process have become dead letters, no matter what dunces like Evan Bayh say. If you don't think they won't try this farce again, elect them majorities in both houses and see what happens.
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NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
our future is at stake
"It was seriously argued in Republican circles that it is within Congress's power to impeach the president if they simply do not like the policies he attempts to enact."
This seems to be the attitude of the GOP about any Democratic President elected! Given the lunatics that make up the right, this is a dangerous idea .
Get that disgusting bunch of wasted space out of our way and out of Obama's way, so that something good can be accomplished.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
our future and very survival are at stake
And I wonder who Norquist thinks would take over if President Obama is impeached? Doesn't he know that V.P. Biden would take the reins? I think he'd make the Rep.s pay Hell for doing that while he was in office for the remainder of the term.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
our future and existence are at stake
Too bad we can't impeach Norquist.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
We can't impeach him but with the new fascist powers given him by the NDAA, it seems the President could have him seized and held indefinitely, since among the first things he did upon graduation from college was to go to Afghanistan to work with the Taliban and to work with other terrorist groups in South America. The NDAA is an aberration but the Pres will just have to make o with what he's got.
Okay, let's see who VOTED to give the President those "fascist" powers:
190 Republicans: FOR
43 Republicans: AGAINST
93 Democrats: FOR
93 Democrats: AGAINST
Democrats were split EVEN on the bill - that's how concerned they were. Had Republicans been so concerned it wouldn't have passed.
But Republicans have proved time and time again that they don't care about civil liberties.
You got it right Barbara: NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN!!
The Republicans have their crazy agendas against birth control and teaching evolution and social security and are willing to go to insane lengths to promote them.
But when the Democrats held a majority in both houses in 2009-2010 and the White House they were powerless to do anything about defunding the wars or even allow lawsuits against the telecoms for spying on the citizens.
So why if the Republicans can give it all they got for their insanity, why oh why can't the Democrats give it all they got for something good?
As they will do, the tables are turning. Nothing is forever. The only thing that does not change is the fact that things change.
As did the Dems, the GOP has overreached. I think the President is a brilliant guy, but he seems to lack the stage presence of the movie actor. This isn't exactly a nation of rocket scientists, so that matters. We'll just have to muddle along with what we've got.
Do you like the NDAA He signed? does the 1st, 4th, 5th, or 6th Amendments mean anything to you, They do to me! is taking away our rights being Brilliant? I don't think so...
Since an election is coming, now is the time for his potential voters to put the pressure on him to do the right thing. You don't deserve the negatives.
While a lot of mainstream folks out there are still not quite ready to stomach the Dems because of their old baggage and because they have not really become good progressives yet either, a lot of them are.
After all, the Dems fought and won for health care reform, **which is a very good thing and an historical achievement** and has been excoriated as all very good things and historical achievements always are in their time, and not *everybody* has completely missed that point. (Remember that Abe Lincoln was very unpopular in his time.)
BTW, are these the same bums who shout "support the troops" and "don't cut the military budget" and then don't want to pay the taxes necessary to pay for these activities?
There was a time when members of Congress didn't leave Washington as often as they do now. They were forced to spend time together and get to know each other. They were more likely to be friends, and party affiliation didn't make that much difference.
For that reason, I think that the nation's capital should be moved to Barrow, Alaska, and there should only be four flights in and out per year.
Watch out for Representative Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. He's aiming for Obama. The New Yorker called him "...the man most likely to weaken the President before the 2012 elections."
My guess is that Norquist and Issa have formed a poioned bond.
Except for the small fact that Republicans don't even make up 36% of the voting populace (see http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends ) - which kinda sucks for the GOP.
As for "causing great harm" nothing could equal the great harm caused by the GOP having both houses and the Presidency for six years under Bush which had sex scandals, billions flown to Iraq that disappeared (GOP is good with money?) and finally almost destroying our economic system.
Yes, Republicans like to argue how "harmful" Democrats are, but so far in the last 30 years, the BEST Presidency has been under a Democrat.
GOP = Greedy One Percent! Johnny K you got it right!
Isn't betraying one's Oath of Office by taking an oath which goes against the Constitution and the general welfare of the country an Act of Treason?
Are you insane or so blinded by talks how talking points that you actually believe that accusation? If you have evidence of these violations, list them online and forward to the Dept. of Justice immediately. I challenge you to do so in ten days! You won't follow up because you have no such evidence, just your bile and hatred because a Black man is sitting in "your" White House.
Continuing to bark like a Right-rabid dog? Your essential gripe w/ Obama is that he's part of the strongest (loyal) opposition to the Repubs right now. Your points are pointless. And getting rather boring. Debt? Blame the Bush regime for starting & spiraling it out of control & then dumping it on the Obama Adminstration. Debt gained acsendency from unregulated financial sectors & massive borrowing that the Bushites encouraged so the 1% could further secure their positions at the monetary trough in a feeding frenzy that would rival a Roman orgy. Success by what means, by perpetuating a wider gap of haves/havemores (Repub's elite base) and havenots? The few having too much while the many have too little; a sharp, class antagonism w/ the potential for the political shit to hit the corporate fan. But you have your integrity, while that 1%, Repub & Dem, & their corporate sugar daddies can look down on your from afar & see what they think is an ant.
THAT'S PRICELESS, and therefore I plan to steal it. Consider it public domain from now on, because it's too good not to use.
I promise to still give you credit for it though.
BALDING EAGLE - That single insult says A LOT and is right on target! It perfectly characterizes his attitude and viewpoint.
You know, I really get sick and tired of people throwing "violated the Constitution" if they aren't going to tell us what part of the Constitution they violated.
As for those who stick up for the millionaires - don't they have their own lackey's to do that? I mean, seriously, nothing is more demeaning than someone who is barely making $30,000 a year going to bat for those in Armani suits.
Tax the rich more. Just like the 50's they'll somehow manage to get by lol
You are so right. It is the rottenest bunch of politicians the Repubs have ever slid into DC. Every new crop is worse. The TParty is like what you get after generations of inbreeding. It is a pack mentality and cunning and ruthless. The Oath of their office means nothing. They instead pledge an oath to some egomaniac. A pompous jerk called Grover Norquist. The Founders and the people of their time were more civilized and better educated than most Americans today. Think about it. Who today could have written our Constitution? Who today would have compromised to make a Constitution that could guide and endure for this long? The Republican party has become a clear and present danger to America. They need a devastating defeat to stop their reign of terror and get them out of Obama's way so he can finish getting this country booming again.
All this does is dilute the value and deligitimaze such measure, weakening our institutions in the process. Think "fire alarm" here. It's time for people in politics to grow up, be responsible and live uyp to the oath of office.
George W. Bush, on the other hand DID commit crimes against the Constitution, violated numerous international treaties to which we are not only a party, but the _main_ framers, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.
Bush needs to be locked away for his crimes for the rest of his miserable life, and needs to take Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Karl Rove, and a bunch of others with him.
Carter,Clinton & now Obama. Anyone see a pattern here?
The wool can be easily pulled over the eyes of the apolitical moderate/conser vative who may or may not vote. This average American will not protest when a Clinton or Obama is overthrown constitutionall y via an "impeachment." And here lies the truth of this method which one must surmise is always on the mind of the radically conservative elected Reps. (See the sour/puckered faces of the Boeners and McConnells et. al at the State of the Union.)Nothing the Pres said was worthy of even the slightest hint of approval by these dour men.
Combine these spineless evil-doers with an ignorant, asleep at the wheel populace and there is a ripeness for coup de' tat-via the perfectly legal mechanism of impeachment.
I believe you must be talking about St. Reagan?? He doubled the debt. cut taxes in half on wealthy, and triggered the breathtaking income inequality and loss of our manufacturing base we see today and the slow, steady undoing of all things that built our strong middle-class-dr iven economy. For 30 years the Republicans have had their way and the rest of us have watched OUR USA be dragged down from #1 status in education, science, health, income, infrastructure, jobs, on and on. Kissing the ring of St. Reagan is over. It was a failed experiment that has cost our citizens their homes and their futures. Any Republican whose name is on Grover Norquist's "PLEDGE" SHOULD BE RECALLED. Barb is right. NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN.
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