Leslie H. Gelb writes: "They're back! The neoconservatives who gave America clueless, unpaid-for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus a near doubling of military expenditures during the Bush years, have risen from their political graves. Someone, maybe a media tiring of President Obama's interminable plight, pulled the stake from their heart. Now they've returned to the op-ed pages, the talk shows, the think-tank discussions, and the advisory ranks of Republican presidential candidates."
Bill Kristol. (photo: The Daily Beast)
The Neocons Are Coming!
20 October 11
No, no, no, writes Leslie H. Gelb, to the neoconservatives once again rising from the undead to lead America to another war, bigger Pentagon budgets, and a bizarre blame game over Iraq.
hey're back! The neoconservatives who gave America clueless, unpaid-for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus a near doubling of military expenditures during the Bush years, have risen from their political graves. Someone, maybe a media tiring of President Obama's interminable plight, pulled the stake from their heart. Now they've returned to the op-ed pages, the talk shows, the think-tank discussions, and the advisory ranks of Republican presidential candidates.
Once again, the neoconservatives mount their steeds. They hint that we need another war or at least a little military strike, this time against Iran. They're pushing to increase military spending; the China threat, you know. They're also trying to further weaken Obama by charging that he's losing Iraq to Iran by not keeping US forces there (without mentioning, of course, that Iraq is throwing them out).
I find it hard to believe that any of these new tricks will work, but I have come never to underestimate the neoconservatives, that formidable group mostly of Republicans who sprang from the loins of the great Democratic senator from Washington, Henry "Scoop" Jackson. They are very smart and far tougher than their liberal and moderate opponents. They write and speak with far greater simplicity and force. (Democrats just must make 17 complicated points about everything.) They are always relentless and on the attack. The only ones to stand up to them effectively have been other Republicans, specifically the best of the foreign-policy realists such as George Shultz, James Baker, Brent Scowcroft, and George H.W. Bush.
Here's a standard technique for the neoconservatives: One of America's many nasty enemies does something provocative, as they inevitably do. The neocons say the president has to get tougher. Then the enemy does another nasty thing, and the neocons say the president wasn't tough enough. And so on until they're off to the races and suggesting that the only effective means to stop the devils is a bombing attack, or a hundred thousand troops, in and out quickly, of course. If some poor Democratic president doesn't follow their advice, he's labeled a wimp who is endangering US security. If the wimp starts a war, the game continues with charges that the president isn't really trying to "win" the war and should be adding more troops. We've heard this routine so many times, you'd think that the wimpy Democrats would have built up some immunity, and that the media would stop providing the bullhorns. Alas, it goes on and on.
Iran sits atop the neocons' list of priorities. Beyond argument, its leaders are dangerous. They are probably trying to construct nuclear weapons. On top of this, we seemingly have some Quds Force general buying a hit on the Saudi ambassador in a D.C. restaurant. Bill Kristol is leading the charge, calling the recent alleged Iranian assassination plot "an engraved invitation" to use force. He continued: "We can strike at the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and weaken them. And we can hit the regime's nuclear weapons program, and set it back." Were these mere musings? No! He goes on to say that if the White House doesn't use force, Congress should authorize force against a variety of Iranian targets, and against its "nuclear weapons program."
Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former Central Intelligence Agency officer and a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, is equally direct. He approves the administration's current efforts to tighten and target. "But they will not scare it," he wrote in The Wall Street Journal. "The White House needs to respond militarily to this outrage. If we don't, we are asking for it." And what of the likely wave of terrorist attacks that will follow worldwide from such attacks? The Iranians are not going to just cower in the corner because we talk and act tough. Alas, that just doesn't happen. They escalate, too.
And in case you believed that Republicans, faced with America's economic calamity and indebtedness, won't press for higher military spending, take another look. Mitt Romney, the moderate establishment candidate, wants to put a 4 percent floor on the baseline defense budget. According to The Wall Street Journal, that would amount to about a $30 billion increase over the current base. In his recent foreign-policy speech and white paper, Romney proposed increasing Navy ship production: "I will reverse the hollowing of our Navy and announce an initiative to increase the shipbuilding rate from 9 per year to 15. I will begin reversing Obama-era cuts to national missile defense and prioritize the full deployment of a multilayered national ballistic missile defense system." Those bills would be incalculably high.
The neocons' Iraq caper irritates me particularly because of its blatant hypocrisy. Their line is that Obama will "lose" Iraq to Iran because of the decision he made to take out all US forces from that country. The formidable John Bolton puts it this way in The Daily Beast: "The consequence of an Obama policy that continues the withdrawal of American forces down to zero in Iraq would unquestionably strengthen Iran." Well, Obama didn't invent that policy - George W. Bush did. He was the one who approved the agreement with Iraq to completely withdraw all US forces by the end of 2012. Bush had little choice because the Iraqi government would accept no less. Obama also has little choice because Iraq won't give American soldiers immunity from prosecution. Frankly, if anyone lost Iraq to Iran, it was the neocons. It was they who pressed to crush Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and when they did, they destroyed the only regional counterweight to Iran. Take a bow, neocons.
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Sat next to one on a plane last year, a dweeby thick-focaled blank-staring nut case set in what he proclaimed as his "annual reading" of The Fountainhead.
These folks are WAY out there. I'm talking goose steps.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN/TBAG GER !!
Bill Clinton definitely fell into line. Obama, if you will read the PNAC and compare that with his actions and agenda, is also an obvious participant, and was no doubt approved to run for the office of president through them.
There are those who continue to consider the neo-con movement mere conspiracy or hyperbole, but they are easy to research. They include some of the most powerful people in the world, bar none.
If Obama was truly a puppet of PNAC, he would have increased the number of troops in Iraq and started a war with Iran by now. I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's woefully incorrect. You aren't a fan of Alex Jones by any chance?
[1] http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
As for Clinton, he bombed the shit out of Iraq, was pushed to do so, attacked the Balkans under pressure from the neos, not for humanitarian reasons, and bombed Africa, taking out nothing close to a military establishment.
Obama, if you will pay attention to his dictates, has expanded U.S. attacks, increased military manufacturing, such as drones and higher technology, has refurbished or built military bases in South America, which is definitely in the PNAC, and built another bunker type embassy in the middle east, and allowed for the militarization of space, which came formally into being under Bush, etc. Ever wonder why that rocket blasted into the moon last year? What has Obama truly done for the country?
Of course, with the money Clinton accrued, Bush was fully funded in his endeavors.
The agenda of the neo-cons, along with complicit corporations and extremely powerful people, is being carried out as we write. Never think there are independent individuals capable of running for president without the permission of these same folks.
Dr Ron Paul voted against all of the wars - has spoken out against them for decades.
IF you re-register as republican for the primaries and vote for Ron Paul you will teach Obama a lesson that you are not to be taken for granted no matter how badly he acts
AND
you can teach the neoCons the only lesson they can learn from - to have their chosen ones lose in their own primaries.
It is a WIN - WIN if your opposed to wars foreign and Domestic (Paul is also opposed to the War on Drugs).
Let's give Dr. Paul some credit here for speaking out against the criminal cabal that is misdirecting American foreign policy to the detriment of the nation and the world.
Is it because they love war just like the NeoCons they pretend to hate?
Read more: www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2011/10/20/Kenya-Uganda-snared-in-Battle-for-Africa/UPI-42601319121073/#ixzz1bLWKTHww
Sure, there are thugs and ruthless creeps in the world (the U.S. has supported a lot of them) and always have been, but never imagine that the U.S. has the best interest of citizens at heart when going into a country now. Consider how many thousands have died in countries the U.S. has attacked.
Do you know anything about Libya or are you parroting our government? Just like Iraq, Libya was not perfect, but they had a hell of a good system for citizens.
We are not being shown the reality in these countries or told exactly why the U.S. goes in - as in Uganda, without congress being involved - or what resources the U.S. is more interested in than the citizens.
1. Prove that Obama does not have the best interests of the Ugandan people at heart in stopping this band of murderers. Otherwise, that is merely your opinion.
2. You say Libya had a hell of a good system under that tyrant Gadaffy? Not only did Gadaffy sponsor inetrnational terrorism until he made a deal with Junior Bush, but what about all of those happy citizens cheering Gadaffy's death? In fact, Gadaffy tortured and murdered his own people and the reason the UN called for a peacekeeping force to intervene was due to Gadaffy's vow to kill everyone in Benghazi. Is this what you call a 'good system'?
Seems the one who has to do some research is you, Glen, and not at NewsMax or WorldNetDaily.
1. Did Obama have the best interests of Libya's people when he supported the bombing? What part is he really going to play in improving the country?
2. What we saw was a small number of folks rejoicing over Ghaddafi's death, not citizens who supported the man. Remember the staged support of taking out Hussein and the phoney pull down of his statue? Did Obama do anything about continued deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan due to our maneuvers? Do you really know who are "terrorists" blowing themselves up and who are U.S. operatives?
3. Did Obama have citizen welfare at heart when he called out drone strikes on Pakistanis and now he and Hillary threatening Pakistan?
4. The U.S. and Britain, France, have been interfering in the Middle East for decades. Iraqis are worse off now than under Hussein, Libyans will be worse off without Ghadaffi. Ghaddafi, did not threaten anyone until all this recent turmoil began. To continue to assume a police status for the U.S. is to continue a lie that is creating never ending destabilization.
5. If Obama has the best interests of the Ugandans at heart why didn't he send troops in last year? The situation is nothing new.
Obama is doing much that most "journalist" types are overlooking in their reporting, preferring the same old yak yak rather than recognizing publicly other than the agenda set up by corporate media.
Do read futhark's remarks. Read the Patriot Act. Read bills passed under Bush that Obama has done nothing to rid us of. I spent literally days reading bills, the PNAC, listened or read interpretation of that document, researching the Bilderburg Group and every other organization that has an influence on the U.S. government, including Israel and their operatives. I did that due to extreme anger at what was happening to the government and country at large, and after realizing it is a purposeful endeavor on the part of those folks, now understood to be the worst, the most powerful, the wealthiest, oh, and corrupt of course.
Television yakkers talk only of surface issues, the "campaign", without ever mentioning anything else that has a huge affect on the U.S.
It would be beneficial for citizens to stop with the democrat/republ ican loyalties for at least a day to do some research on the motives of those in power. Criticizing Obama does not a crazed right winger make.
Im more afraid of whats going on in this country rather then Iran...which starting that war would be such a bad idea I cant even voice what I think. Bush ruined this country, him, Cheney, Rummy, and the turd blossom. I cant believe anyone would be fool enough to believe their crap...hurry stick the stake back into their hearts YUCK!!!
Bolton, Kristol, Gerect and many more live to make others go to war. They don't give a damn how many of our young people loose their lives and how many countries get destroyed. We HAVE to fight them here all the time. We can not loose sight of that.
As BArbara and Giraffe says. NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN. VOTE DEMOCRAT AND KEEP THEM HONEST
Watch it, you'll see the beginnings of today. There's the last president that got murdered for his committment to PEACE.
We need the majority of our people VERY ANGRY, and ready to support Publickly Financed Elections.
Untill the majority is TRULY ANGRY, not much will happen.
How many chances do you want to give a flim-flam artist before you wake up to the fact that your hopes and aspirations have been betrayed?
They have been non-stop obstructing.
Unfortunately there are too many
BLUE DOGS in the democratic party and they are obstructing too. Nelson of Nebraska is a very bad joke. He always vote republican.
So take off your blinds and realize what is going on
He, like anyone else we elect, find themselves mired in the same swampland, stuck and unable to move much at all, because they are surrounded by the creators of that swamp. As long as we support the system full out, while detesting where it's going, it's going to have the power to continue down that road, no matter who holds the offices.
Don't blame Obama "the repairman" for being unable to repair the incredible damages done. We need to first "drain the swampland", by draining power from those who support it. Hopefully it will not require "the laying down of our tools". Hopefully they will see that coming and reverse course.
This is exactly what OWS is, a more highly evolved form of protest/resista nce, designed so that it cannot be confused (no issues) nor coopted (no leaders). But it continues to build as the nation continues in the direction guided by the few. Soon, if they don't get the message and begin moving in the right direction, shouldering their real responsibilitie s of governing, instead of just chasing the armoured cars, the people will lay down their tools, something that neither military nor police action can do much of anything about. So it's a: they dump us, we dump them, game.
History already tells us who wins that contest.
Iran will be yet another war for Israel and fought by US.
Read Haaretz the Israeli paper and something is sought by that government and a short time later some politicain or media person is promoting the idea in the US.
Clinton foundation rules - Obama is puppet.
This is an account of Lizzie Phelan's observations and experience in Libia, much different than what we hear.'Neocons' can be lazy, they just cut and paste the old lines from articles leading up to the Iraq attack, about how terrible Sadam treated his people; as if we cared. Now in Iran its "accusations of abuses in Iran". "Accusations", cant get more factual than that. When you don't get REAL news on the same channel that the football game is on, America doesn't get it. "LIES" are the power of the neocons, they have the bully pulpit. forget the democrats, they're the 'good cops'. Unfortunately we can't excuse them because they're inept. They play their role for the amusement of the same god. To expect something else is to waste time and approaches to informing the People. Steer people you know to this site, RSN is doing the best from my observation. They have it first and from excellent sources and writers. Their site is un-cluttered and accurate. RSN is a great weapon when the prey is mis-informed People. Throw RSN a bone after you forward their articles. They have to work too hard for SUPPORT. As a READER, it's NEWS that is REAL. The war is information and the bullets are the truth; the mission is to get the word out there. Don't let nerds like Crystal spin their BS w/out People hearing the REAL NEWS supported by US.
They and their media cronies just do not see any reason to diminish their profile. There is absolutely no serious discussion of national security policy anywhere in public life, so they just fill our nation's empty headed vacuum on these issues.
Please don't forget mercenaries in your assessment of military action, also. The U.S. does not operate as they did 100 years ago.
great reference -
read the above before you open "democratic" propaganda.
I knew a lot of these 'types'. They were not such nice people ask their battered families, Military wants to down size, let us start at the Pentagon and start some retirement today. We want military spending cut, but you will never see that. More weapons to do more killing to innocent men women and children. The percentage of Evil is small like the greedy of Corporate magnitude. Whackos are a percentage others are serving some stint so their family stays alive (many do not).
We want to clean things up, let us start at home.
Instead we are looking to kill our own with not labeling food, growing food that is laced with herbicides and Roundup, drilling for that which will destroy our water and air, probably ground.
Where is these Sterilization Programs, let us start now.
Believe the Independent Numbers are growing now all we need are good candidates.
Way to go Dane!!!! And so righteously right...
I believe in spay and neuter programs
Hell they never left
- they just became high level democrats - we are in more wars now then ever before, Top level bankers have their hands deep into the tax payers pockets, Mega corp CEO's are the presidents Staffers.
Is this "savings" when the US economy is choking on more miltary spending including the Black Budget, than the rest of the world combined including China.
It's attitudes like this (War is good!) that keep this country backsliding. The energy and $ that the military brass expends in brainwashing and brutalizing the referenced SEALS (and no denigration intended personally to these no doubt courageous and resourceful men) would be better used in humanitarian efforts to help the needy and defend the defenseless at home and abroad, wherever the Imperial urges of the "Neocons" are felt if morphed into reality.
Your name wouldn't be Oliver North by any chance, would it?
How about sending the smooth-talking, turn-coating Krystol and his buddies to Iran if they feel so pushed? They are really cowards in suits who do no service themselves but gladly send young people out to hostile lands and climates to feed their Neocon sadistic power-seeking appetites!
Depends on who you term the "Bad Guy" innit?
B.t.w, I'm no "Knee-jerk" pacifist (although I detest war with all it's falsehoods and collateral damage) lacking physical reality; I'm an old rugger-scrapper in later life who has never been a'feard to stand up for my beliefs against all comers, especially these bastards who seem to want power over all.
Just don't think that the lust for power is purely a republican NeoCon thing - Dems (like the current admin) doing the same thing are equally guilty.
Susan Rice (Clinton/Obama admin), the US ambassador to the UN made the claim while accusing Gaddafi of numerous human rights abuses. Earlier in the week Rice also claimed, without offering any evidence, that IRAN is helping Syria suppress internal dissent?.
Foreign affairs specialists expressed scepticism about both claims."
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/29/diplomat-gaddafi-troops-viagra-mass-rape
Obama Neo-cons took over the UN - women under Qaddafi had the most rights in ANY of the African/Arab country.
It costs $1 million per year per person in Afghanistan - and what they are doing there is what gangsters do in our cities.
They are already trained - worship symbols - just put US uniforms on them and send them to fight the "bad" guys - other gang. Killing sick man in the bed and getting tons of medals for it!
I meant NO disrespect to anybody in uniform if you'll read the post. My point is that it's such a huge waste of human potential and these "Neocons" are happy to advocate imperialism using force without having served a day in the military themselves, like 99% of the Bush administration who are of similar bent.
Having family in the military does not give you the perspective to condemn others -you (and they) get to know only what they need to know to serve the machinery unquestioningly.
-And "War on Terrorism" is as much a joke as the so-called "War on Drugs"! They are fabrications of a power-and-war-a ddicted government structure.
And b y the way, I intend to leave this country when I'm done with what I'm doing and when it's MY IDEA. I don't need any push from the mind-bogglingly empty-headed Redneck siren-call, "America, love it or leave it -duh!" One can love a country and it's amazing potential for good, whilst despising and criticizing it's methods of self-destructio n and that of so many good people, when that county's potential to either be a great benefit or a destructive force on the planet has proceeded so far down the path of annihilation and we don't have that right, ever!
"Good Actions good reactions. Bad actions bad reactions. As you give so you will receive.
So what's your point other than hurling insults and name-calling as you just did? You're perfectly at liberty (for now) to sit around and make asinine near-threats but I hear nothing constructive other than a bunch of badly-stated metaphors.
Congratulations on having a job but don't get smug about it; you are just as vulnerable as everybody else. And I really DO take exception to y'r assumption that the 50% (where do you get these statistics by the way?) "who are not (working)" don't want to? That is crass and wanton ignorance, pitiful insularity. I'd love to see you mouth off in the faces of any of my mates, who have been out of work for one or two years, lost homes and everything else they WORKED for and whose hearts are breaking at their inability to find work.
Whose master are you?
Then we have "your master," judging from an ivory tower of amateur sarcasim, notably, the vainglorious assumption of having to support 50% of the population who "don't want" to work. I've heard this bourgois cliche before, reflective of the selfish myth of "survival of the fittest." It's a B/W outlook on par w/ the neocons' imperial one, disregarding social/collecti ve/economic conditions which have a major impact on individuals, & in turn many.
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