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Eagen writes: "Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg suggested that the leaking of certain information might be justified in the Trump administration."

Daniel Ellsberg. (photo: Patrick Semansky/AP)
Daniel Ellsberg. (photo: Patrick Semansky/AP)


Daniel Ellsberg to Federal Employees: Ignore Trump and Keep Leaking

By Owen Eagen, The Hill

18 February 17

 

entagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg suggested that the leaking of certain information might be justified in the Trump administration.

Following President Trump’s recent statements threatening harsh penalties for those who leak privileged government information — including the threat that leakers would “pay a big price” — Ellsberg encouraged further public disclosure of certain types of government secrets.

“I’m saying I want people to put out the truth as they see it, their version of the facts, as they see it, yes,” Ellsberg said to a crowd of around 200 during a public dialogue at Georgetown University. “There is a chance it can make a difference, and I think it will make a difference in various ways.”

Specifically, Ellsberg said government information should be released when it is crucial to the public interest and that of Congress, when lives depend on the information and when it reveals that the U.S. Constitution is being violated.

Ellsberg released the Pentagon Papers largely between 1969 and 1971, when he, as a high-level intelligence official, turned them over to various members of Congress and others, and to newspapers including The New York Times. The papers were a 7,000-page Department of Defense study detailing the history of U.S. involvement in Vietnam from 1945 until 1967 and showing government misinformation and other abuses of the public trust.

Ellsberg said he views the leaks of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden to be on par with his own, and offered that while a leak may be ineffectual, it may still be worth the grave risk.

“And in effect, Manning and Snowden and I all thought the same words, which I heard them say: ‘No one else was going to do it, somebody had to do it, so I did it,’ ” Ellsberg said. “There may or may not be any effect, but as Snowden said, there are things worth dying for, and that’s true."

Trump has slammed the leaks coming out of his administration, which have revealed details of phone conversations with foreign leaders and ultimately led to the resignation of his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, whose conversations with the Russian ambassador about sanctions were described in a Washington Post report.

Ellsberg said that he thinks the Trump administration is set to spread lies more than any other White House.

“Well, all presidents lie all the time — Democrats and Republicans,” Ellsberg said. “He’s going to lie more blatantly about domestic matters than probably any other administration in history."

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-6 # Emmanuel Goldstein 2017-02-18 14:45
It's all too easy to catch Trump in blatant lies. And I'm all in favor of exposing them.
But the leaks that Ellsberg is talking about are almost certainly coming from operatives in the deep state and are designed to further that organization's interests. Is that what those of us on the left want? I don't think so!
 
 
+17 # candida 2017-02-18 20:28
Quoting Emmanuel Goldstein:
the leaks that Ellsberg is talking about are almost certainly coming from operatives in the deep state and are designed to further that organization's interests. Is that what those of us on the left want?


If it's between Trump and the "deep state," I'll take the "deep state."

But really, can we dispense with this idea of a monolithic deep state already? Just the conflicts between and within the CIA and FBI in as full of view as they might have ever been shows how the "state" is much more complex than the simplistic "deep state" concept.

And if it is that simple, then, yes, I prefer it over Trump. That madman will lead us into more wars, even nuclear, that the deep state has kept us out of, even with all the wars it has led us into. At least we can say that much for it.
 
 
-4 # Texas Aggie 2017-02-19 15:37
" can we dispense with this idea of a monolithic deep state already? "

Do you realize how the market for tin foil will get hammered if we didn't have people pushing the "Deep State?"
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2017-02-19 19:25
Quoting Texas Aggie:
"can we dispense with this idea of a monolithic deep state already?"

- hardly!

those who believe in "deep state" are ideologues who believe in things they can't prove! - how could they? by its nature "deep state" is impossible of proof - it's a matter of belief! like belief in god! or allah! or belief that jesus was god!

likewise those who believe there is NO "deep state" are ideologues who believe in things they can't prove! - how could they? by its nature "deep state" is impossible of disproof - it's a matter of pure belief! like any other "faith!"!

just like bernie (bravissimo! bernie!), robbee believes that there is a plutocracy that - through puppetry of the paid conspiracy of bought repuke party hacks and bought (corrupted) dems! rules amerika! - naturally it stands to reason that there are those - whether due to their control of government - OR BY ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY IN THE MACHINERY OF GOV'T ("deep state?!?) who make government work for plutocrats! - (like bernie and robbee watch the cabinet forming of billionaires in deep dread!- is it mental healthy to watch plutocrats come out of shadows??? - gov't of the billionaires? by the billionaires? and for the billionaires? the outing of "deep state"? - we are "deep state!" hear us roar?

likewise bernie and robbee are ideologues who believe in things we can't prove! makse sense to us! - still we are "democratic socialists" and this is how we make sense of the world!
 
 
0 # dickbd 2017-02-21 16:24
I don't know why you got all the red marks for a very sensible comment.
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2017-02-19 19:30
Quoting Texas Aggie:
"can we dispense with this idea of a monolithic deep state?

- robbee has high regard for "Texas Aggie" - and believes "Texas Aggie" will comprehend my comment! - in any event "Texas Aggie", keep up your sound comments, always appreciated, thanks!
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2017-02-18 20:37
It's not the leaks that I object to so much as the hype and lack of context. A lot of what they are decrying is pretty normal behavior. For instance, Trump staffers were also in touch with Israel and I think German intelligence. No one is screaming about that. This thing about Russia is just hype built on more hype originally based on the never proven assertion that Russia gave the DNC and Podesta emails to Wikileaks. Until that is proven, it is all bullshit. I do not believe it. But even if it was true it, was not an actual interference in the election. That is just more hype. It gave voters more information about the candidate that should not have been hidden from them in the first place, just as the leaking of the Trump pussy tape did. Some things should not remain secret. Hillary's downright contempt from voters is one of them.

There was an interesting article in Consortium News yesterday about similar accusations that Russia interfered in German elections. German intelligence investigated and proved it wasn't true. That apparently, was the answer the powers that be wanted so Merkel is calling for a new investigation.

German Intel Clears Russia on Interference
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/15/german-intel-clears-russia-on-interference/
 
 
-1 # Jaax88 2017-02-19 18:32
"...was not an actual interference in the election." That i s a conclusion that is hard to swallow.
 
 
+6 # sean1303 2017-02-19 00:04
Quoting Emmanuel Goldstein:
It's all too easy to catch Trump in blatant lies. And I'm all in favor of exposing them.
But the leaks that Ellsberg is talking about are almost certainly coming from operatives in the deep state and are designed to further that organization's interests. Is that what those of us on the left want? I don't think so!


"almost certainly"? on what do you base this strong assertion? Did your breakfast burrito reveal it to you? Almost any leak of information about what OUR government is hiding from US is a good thing, and your paranoia that EVERY single thing disseminated is from the "Deep State" is nihilistic in the extreme.
 
 
+2 # Robbee 2017-02-19 12:18
Quoting Emmanuel Goldstein:
leaks that Ellsberg is talking about are almost certainly coming from operatives in the deep state and are designed to further that organization's interests. Is that what those of us on the left want?

- if what you say is true, then deep state is locked in an existential struggle to protect itself from overthrow by a national socialist dictator -

robbee's a lefty and only wants deep state overthrown by us 99% - and until we overthrow deep state - robbee'd rather endure deep state than nazi dictatorship every day! thanks!
 
 
+25 # HowardMH 2017-02-18 14:48
You damn right the Washington Post and NY Times caused Flynn’s resignation. Trump knew about it almost THREE WEEKS before it hit the press and did NOTHING! Way to go CIA, NSA, and every other security organization for giving the Orange Headed idiot ample time to do his job, BEFORE you supplied the info to the press.

Pence should be in the Oval Office with his own 2x2 and doing what is necessary to get the idiots attention, before reading him the riot act about keeping Pence in the loop, instead of setting him up to look like the idiot he looked line on TV.
We are finally starting to learn some of the facts about Trump and Putin. It was disclosed by Trump’s son back in 2007 or 8 that much of their income was coming from investments in Russia. Without that income the Trump Organization would be in serious financial trouble. Wait until someone in the media (because the Democrats in congress sure haven’t got the backbone or brains to do it) is able to get to the bottom of that issue and Trump will be toast.
 
 
0 # candida 2017-02-18 20:22
Quoting HowardMH:
You damn right the Washington Post and NY Times caused Flynn’s resignation. Trump knew about it almost THREE WEEKS before it hit the press and did NOTHING! Way to go CIA, NSA, and every other security organization for giving the Orange Headed idiot ample time to do his job, BEFORE you supplied the info to the press.


HowardMH, your comments rather surprise me! Weren't you one of the posters taking a hardline against the NYT, Post, CIA and NSA when they were reporting on the Russian hacking?!?!? That they had gotten the Iraq reporting and intelligence wrong so were no longer trustworthy about ANYTHING?!?! Perhaps I'm mis-remembering as there were so many posting with this now-abandoned view (and which might help explain why some of the regulars have disappeared. Many of them has also held this view despite the mounting evidence and charges). My apologies if so. If not, why the change of heart? What convinced you?
 
 
0 # HowardMH 2017-02-19 12:01
NO, NOT ME.
 
 
+11 # rxfxworld 2017-02-18 20:51
As if Pence is somehow better than Trump. Trump is impeachment proof as who would want as president a man who wants to make a theocracy out of the US. What's the difference between an Islamic fundamentalist and a White Christian fundamentalist? Answer: The caliber of the bullets.
 
 
+3 # sashapyle 2017-02-19 12:36
Yes, but Pence would be easy to unseat in 2020, and he has not got the celebrity/tv/fa ux billionaire cachet that protects 45 in our dumbed down "culture."
 
 
+4 # carp 2017-02-18 23:09
Of course Trump did NOTHING! In fact he says that Flynn was just doing what he was supposed to doing. That if Flynn had not done what he had done then Trump would have told him to do so, but he did not tell him to do it, but he would have but he didn't tell him. got that??
 
 
+5 # anarchteacher 2017-02-18 15:14
Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Sibel Edmonds, Karen Kwiatkowski, Gary Webb, Danny Casolaro, John Stockwell, Mike Gravel, A. Ernest Fitzgerald, Whitaker Chambers, Benjamin Gitlow, and Smedley Darlington Butler are heroes and heroines in the pantheon of whistleblowers who put their conscientious dedication to first principles ahead of a pretended allegiance to duplicitous cabals within a criminal state which had betrayed the fiduciary trust and essential liberties of the people.

Their courageous stories and historic legacies and examples should be celebrated in every classroom from coast to coast as models of integrity and conviction for our younger generation fixated on narcissistic faux celebrities and sports figures with the nihilistic ethical standards of alley cats and gutter rats.

But on this one issue Ellsberg is seriously wrong. As Glenn Greenwald, Dennis Kuchinich, and Peter Dale Scott have pointed out Trump is under vicious attack by elements of the deep state. None of these men are Trump supporters.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-16/leading-progressives-say-even-americans-who-hate-trump-should-defend-him-against-att

Leading Progressives Say that Even Americans Who Hate Trump Should Defend Him Against Attempted Coup by the “Deep State”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/peter-dale-scott-donald-j-trump-deep-state/

Peter Dale Scott on Donald J. Trump and the Deep State
 
 
-4 # ericlipps 2017-02-18 16:08
The problem with leaks is authenticating them.

In my opinion, this was a serious issue in the 2016 presidential campaign, when Russia--or someone--passed to WikiLeaks emails purportedly obtained from the DNC which made it and the Clinton campaign appear to be plotting against Bernie Sanders. Reportedly, Julian Assange--who is known to hate Hillary feverishly--was less careful about vetting these materials than he has been in other cases in the past. But they were greeted ecstatically by those who wanted to believe that Clinton had "stolen" the Democratic nomination, because they seemed to vindicate the Hillary-haters.

I expect to be thumb-bombed for saying tis, but you know what? I couldn't care less.
 
 
+8 # rxfxworld 2017-02-18 20:46
You know what? Denigrating those opposed to to the corporate bought centrists like the Clintons, a0s Clinton haters, as opposed to respecting people for their right to an opinion contrary to yours puts you squarely in the Trump camp. And yes, the DNC did everything it could to throw the election to HRC. including as Donna Brazile admitted, giving her the questions before the two debated. So go and hate away, as you and others like you are responsible for the outcome of this election.
 
 
+1 # Henry 2017-02-18 23:35
Quoting ericlipps:
The problem with leaks is authenticating them.

In my opinion, this was a serious issue in the 2016 presidential campaign, when Russia--or someone--passed to WikiLeaks emails purportedly obtained from the DNC which made it and the Clinton campaign appear to be plotting against Bernie Sanders. Reportedly, Julian Assange--who is known to hate Hillary feverishly--was less careful about vetting these materials than he has been in other cases in the past. But they were greeted ecstatically by those who wanted to believe that Clinton had "stolen" the Democratic nomination, because they seemed to vindicate the Hillary-haters.

I expect to be thumb-bombed for saying tis, but you know what? I couldn't care less.


But maybe she did.
 
 
-1 # carytucker 2017-02-19 08:09
Quoting ericlipps:
The problem with leaks is authenticating them.

In my opinion, this was a serious issue in the 2016 presidential campaign, when Russia--or someone--passed to WikiLeaks emails purportedly obtained from the DNC which made it and the Clinton campaign appear to be plotting against Bernie Sanders. Reportedly, Julian Assange--who is known to hate Hillary feverishly--was less careful about vetting these materials than he has been in other cases in the past. But they were greeted ecstatically by those who wanted to believe that Clinton had "stolen" the Democratic nomination, because they seemed to vindicate the Hillary-haters.

I expect to be thumb-bombed for saying tis, but you know what? I couldn't care less.

That the DNC tried to advantage Sec Clinton in the primaries against Sen Sanders is evident in the leaked emails. To claim thereby that Sec Clinton 'stole' the election from Sen Sanders sails way beyond any evidence. Four million votes is quite a margin.
Even more ludicrous is the notion that Clinton supporters are responsible for Trump's ascendance. Far more responsible are those who declined the opportunity-the only one available-to vote against Trump.
 
 
+26 # Howard A. Doughty 2017-02-18 16:32
The public service - federal, state and local - is just that: the "public" service, paid for and acting in the interest of the people and not politicians and political parties which are merely temporary stewards of the public interest.

While, rarely, for reasons of the greater good, some information may need to be kept secret, a far greater portion than now qualifies as fit for distribution ought properly to be in the possession of the people from whom government derives its authority.

Secrecy is never to be valued in principle and may only be required under unusual and hazardous conditions. It is intolerable when it hides from the people news of horrific actions being carried out in their name.
 
 
+11 # treerapper 2017-02-19 03:31
And being paid for with their hard-earned taxpayer dollars as well. There is a reason for the expression "NOT IN MY NAME"

The bottom line is "omission is deception". If you chose to omit then you are intent on deceiving and given what's at stake - our lives, the well-being of our planet - that's no acceptable.

I applaud Ellsberg as a guru of "truth to power".
 
 
+17 # bardphile 2017-02-18 16:42
Is it my imagination, or have many of the regulars abandoned this list? Did something happen I don't know about? It would seem that a robust dialog among progressives is still important, even though, or perhaps because, we got our tails whipped.
 
 
+5 # candida 2017-02-18 20:14
Quoting bardphile:
Is it my imagination, or have many of the regulars abandoned this list?


Yes, I noticed this, too. Don't know why, but the discourse is better (and more progressive) for it!
 
 
-2 # Cassandra2012 2017-02-19 17:28
Quoting candida:
Quoting bardphile:
Is it my imagination, or have many of the regulars abandoned this list?


Yes, I noticed this, too. Don't know why, but the discourse is better (and more progressive) for it!

I miss Reiver but not many of the others - Hillary-haters.
 
 
+8 # lfeuille 2017-02-18 20:19
It's not your imagination. People don't like being censored.
 
 
+11 # CL38 2017-02-19 00:05
I know I got fed up with dealing with the trolls raving about clinton while trashing sanders. even now, those same people continue to pretend the election was just fine....despite trumps presidency now.
 
 
+3 # sean1303 2017-02-19 00:07
What happened was that the trolls hired by the Clinton campaign to mess with every pro-Bernie post stopped getting money for it, and stopped doing the job. Very clear dropoff of some very obvious trolls.
 
 
+21 # Margolicious 2017-02-18 16:46
Praise the Lord!! Ellsberg is a national hero. God Help and Bless anyone that leaks during Herr Hitler's reign of terror as President of the U.S. Impeachment is too good for Trump. Mobey has documents to prove that Trump is being blackmailed by Russia. Why isn't the main news channels and papers reporting on this? The Third Estate has become Trump's propaganda machine and he continuously attacks it. TV gave him so much free time when he was running for president and this is how Herr Trump repays them by attacking the Third Estate like a typical dictator.
Additionally, I agree with Bernie Sanders that Trump has given us the most horrible corrupt cabinet in American history. He promised his nincompoop supporters Glass Steagall Act and has eliminated the fiduciary rule and the weak Dodd Frank so that Wall Street can create another 2008 financial crisis and cheat investors. I suggest that investors only invest their assets in companies that sign an written agreement that they will follow the fiduciary rule despite criminal Trump's ruling. The coming next financial crisis will be worst. The shopping malls are going to go bust since the main anchor stores are closing. Fasten your seat belts kiddies and hide your money under your mattress.
 
 
+3 # Desiderata 2017-02-19 11:11
Quoting Margolicious:
.
Additionally, I agree with Bernie Sanders that Trump has given us the most horrible corrupt cabinet in American history. I suggest that investors only invest their assets in companies that sign an written agreement that they will follow the fiduciary rule despite criminal Trump's ruling. The coming next financial crisis will be worst. Fasten your seat belts kiddies and hide your money under your mattress.


HEAR HEAR
 
 
+6 # tr4302@gmail.com 2017-02-18 16:57
But, wait, there are more. "This was just him by himself," said Stephen Colbert. "Evidently he didn't even bring his meds with him."
 
 
+18 # Jim Young 2017-02-18 17:22
Daniel Ellsberg was a Marine, as was Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine Officer in history who chose to reveal the 1934 Business Plot according to https://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/portraits/major-general-smedley-butler

"...In 1934, Butler went before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) to expose a conspiracy against the government. He had been recruited by a group of wealthy Pro-Fascists who had hoped to use him in a coup against President Franklin D. Roosevelt. He went along, gathering intelligence about the plot, and took it to Congress. Butler’s assertions were not aggressively pursued, and the matter was largely dismissed. However, an internal report to Congress from HUAC confirmed the veracity of the plot..."

He was able to reveal it during a closed session of the HUAC according to et.com/paths-to-glory-medal-of-honor-ricipients-smedley-butler-and-dan-daly.htm

"...a group of wealthy industrialists in 1934 actually tried to recruit him to lead an army of 500,000 disgruntled veterans in a bizarre but half-baked coup ... ...Butler instead exposed the scheme and testified against the plotters during a closed session of the U.S. Senate’s Special Committee on Un-American Activities Authorized to Investigate Nazi Propaganda and Certain Other Propaganda Activities—also known as the McCormack-Dicks tein Committee..."

May there be a thousand more who do what it takes to keep the faith (in closed hearings if allowed, or public if needed).
 
 
+19 # Adoregon 2017-02-18 18:21
Remember, a big enough leak will sink the U.S.S. Rump.
 
 
+16 # Femihumanist 2017-02-18 20:07
When it comes to "leaks", there's probably nothing worse than Trump's own phone which besides sending tweets, is almost assuredly being hacked for his phone calls and maybe even acting as a bug microphone.
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2017-02-18 20:39
Probably, by somehow I am not that upset about this. I would rather know what he is up to.
 
 
+11 # generationcopy1@hotmail.com 2017-02-19 09:00
I believe the leaks should continue. There is so much important information that the government is keeping from the American people. Information that can put us in harms way. They are so corrupt. I don't believe any thing that they say. A bunch of lies.
 
 
+6 # elkingo 2017-02-19 14:09
The question is whether the public should be informed, which is democracy, or should it not, which is autocracy.
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2017-02-19 15:11
Ellsberg said that he thinks the Trump administration is set to spread lies more than any other White House. “Well, all presidents lie all the time — Democrats and Republicans,” Ellsberg said. “He’s going to lie more blatantly about domestic matters than probably any other administration in history."

- for some reason ellsberg believes that rump intends the consequences of his anti-free speech words

perhaps by now at last some of those rsn "never hillary" fools who spent countless thousands of words here on rsn, "in denial" (robbee's words) that it mattered how bad rump could be, have smartened up?

as time passes - and now that it's way too late to matter - robbee gets fewer and fewer thumbs down from those who pre-election refused to contrast hill with rump

wish robbee got something better than the lousy right to say "i told you so!"
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2017-02-19 18:13
Quoting Robbee:
sure wish robbee got something better than the lousy right to say "i told you so!"

- - ha! - if robbee got a dollar for every time some fool here commented “never hillary!” - then robbee would be a thousandaire! (much less broke?)
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2017-02-19 18:20
emptywheel.com - "independent journalist?"
 

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