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Wasserman writes: The desperate search for a successful Hail Mary to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president is down to the wire. The attempts can be easily seen by many as pollyannish. But we honor such individual acts of extreme clarity in John Kennedy's 'Profiles in Courage.'"

Donald Trump. (photo: Martin Schoeller/TIME)
Donald Trump. (photo: Martin Schoeller/TIME)


How a Hillary Clinton “Profile in Courage” Moment Could Save the World From Donald Trump

By Harvey Wasserman, Reader Supported News

18 December 16

 

The petition asking Hillary Clinton to do this is under review at MoveOn. Please contact Harvey Wasserman at www.solartopia.org for more information.

here are less than 24 hours to go before the Electoral College begins casting its votes.

Here is a petition to sign that might make a difference.

The desperate search for a successful Hail Mary to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president is down to the wire. The attempts can be easily seen by many as pollyannish. But we honor such individual acts of extreme clarity in John Kennedy’s “Profiles in Courage.”

And given the specter of a Trump presidency, this could be one of them.

In the final moment, it all rests on Hillary Clinton. Given the legal strictures of the Twelfth Amendment, she may be the only one who can possibly stop a Trump presidency.

Here’s the petition to sign asking her to do just that.

It reminds her that she can instruct her delegates to vote for a moderate Republican who might attract enough Trump delegates to win the Electoral College. Possibilities might include Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) or others.

Here are the mechanics of the Twelfth Amendment that could allow this to happen:

As explained in the previously published “December Surprise“ article linked at Reader Supported News, if 37 electors abandon Donald Trump, the choice of a new president will revert to the House of Representatives. The House will choose the new president based on a state-by-state vote, with each state having one ballot. They can choose only from among the top three vote-getters in the Electoral College.

At this point, there are only two such candidates, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. One potential defector from Trump has mentioned Republican John Kasich of Ohio. Kasich says he doesn’t want it.

But if Secretary Clinton were to choose someone (most likely a moderate Republican, perhaps such as Collins) that could carry all her delegates plus 37 Trump defectors, that person would become president.

Should enough delegates pledged to Trump or Clinton make Clinton’s choice the number three vote-getter, with Trump falling short of 270, the House would have to consider that third person (and ONLY her or him) as an alternative to Trump and Clinton.

But, as mentioned, if Clinton asks her electors to vote for a third choice in the Electoral College, and they all do, and 37 Trump electors join in, that alternative choice would be come the next president of the United States without going to the House.

The choice of a vice president then becomes critical. Should no one be elected president outright by Inauguration Day, the new vice president, as chosen by the US Senate, takes over. At the moment it would seem that could be Mike Pence. But there are a number of things that could also happen to avoid that.

In the meantime, as Steve Rosenfeld has written at Alternet, there are a range of state laws meant to bind electors to the candidate for whom they were chosen to vote. They could, of course, break those laws during the Electoral College voting. There are indications some may be willing to do so.

Their votes might then count as they cast them, but be subject to later litigation, which no doubt Donald Trump would be prepared to fund.

In any event, it is possible for a number of electors from both camps to defect to a third choice and throw the election into the House, with that choice as the third candidate.

And it’s also possible, if Clinton instructs all her delegates to vote for that alternative, and enough Trump delegates join in, to make him or her president outright.

Is it worth a try?

You can sign this petition at Moveon.org, asking Hillary to find a winning alternative. If you have a better idea, please send it to me via www.solartopia.org.

But for now, the choice – and opportunity – is Hillary Clinton’s … and yours.



Harvey Wasserman’s America at the Brink of Rebirth: The Organic Spiral of Us History can be had via www.solartopia.org. The Strip & Flip Selection of 2016: Five Jim Crows & Electronic Election Theft, co-written with Bob Fitrakis, is at www.freepress.org.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

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-30 # Depressionborn 2016-12-18 13:36
don't really think trading Trump for the CIA and neocons war cabal is a good idea.
 
 
+56 # tedcloak 2016-12-18 18:23
Wouldn't it be nice if some people read at least the first few paragraphs of a post before rushing to comment on it?
 
 
0 # Anonymot 2016-12-18 19:06
You may disagree, but Depressionborn is perfectly clear. What are you intending to say other than that you're pro Clinton?

Wasserman's using Clinton in the same sentence as Kennedy is beyond Pollyanna into blasphemous territory. I don't like Trump, either, but he did get elected and Hillary was unelectable from the start. Blame Podesta, Brazile, Schultz, Huma - not Comey, Sanders, Putin, Assange or Snowden. I know Clinton is not at all responsible for her demise. It's engraved on her halo.

A whole lot of dead and dying Middle Easterners and North Africans are getting their revenge on Cheney, Clinton, and the CIA.

The system has been collapsing ever since the Dulles boys, the CIA, and the Mafia dispatched the Kennedys. Hillary just pulled out the final support. Democracy collapsed and We get 4-years of Trump in the rubble.
 
 
+11 # keenon the truth 2016-12-18 19:10
You can't read either, it seems.
 
 
+5 # Caliban 2016-12-18 22:16
Unelectable, #Anonymot?

Clinton got 2 million more votes than the Donald. In a slightly more modern system this would be a clear victory, as the Donald clearly knows -- and as you should also.
 
 
-11 # jdd 2016-12-19 02:35
Nope. Kookifornia doesn't to get to choose the president.
 
 
+10 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 10:27
California is three great states in one -- and as idiosyncratic as every other state.

One might usefully look at their bucking the economic trends of the rest of the country and take some lessons from it.
 
 
-2 # dbrize 2016-12-19 12:08
jdd:

Ha! Well, if you've spent any time in what's left of touristy Hollywood lately, you're appellation has some humorous merit.

But I suspect your use of "kookifornia" will create some deflection from your point which does have some merit and reflects another reason why the EC and federalism protect us from ourselves across the political spectrum of special interests.
 
 
+2 # ericlipps 2016-12-20 05:54
Quoting jdd:
Nope. Kookifornia doesn't to get to choose the president.

Not by itself, no, but whether you like it or not, Californians are Americans, and they have the same right to vote and have their votes counted as do, say, Kansans.
 
 
+10 # Anonymot 2016-12-19 04:19
Someone faked my name. I don't do twitter. It's the great dumbing-down tool.

You live in America. We don't have the "modern" system you dream of because your candidate lost. If you didn't know for the last 18 months that she was a loser then you, like Trump's millions, have been twittered.

Both of them disgrace America.
 
 
+3 # pro54 2016-12-20 19:29
"Clinton got 2 million more votes than the Donald."
She still was non electable. Was she elected?
 
 
+13 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 00:15
Yes, blasphemous. I thought the same thing. Hillary Clinton, a profile in courage? What surreality is this? It's as if people are projecting characteristics onto HRC that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual person.

omg I cannot wait until Tuesday -- though I'm not naive enough to think this will be over then either. We'll just move on to the next distraction.

I'm not much of a crier but I sure feel like it now.
 
 
+4 # dbrize 2016-12-19 08:16
Quoting librarian1984:
Yes, blasphemous. I thought the same thing. Hillary Clinton, a profile in courage? What surreality is this? It's as if people are projecting characteristics onto HRC that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual person.

omg I cannot wait until Tuesday -- though I'm not naive enough to think this will be over then either. We'll just move on to the next distraction.

I'm not much of a crier but I sure feel like it now.


Please cheer up lib84.

Remember, there is nothing like the sound of a neolib/neocon head exploding in the morning.
 
 
+6 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 10:31
lol thanks.

I have bookmarked TYT watching the election returns. It does make me laugh.

I dearly hope Trump will rise to the position and be better than everyone thinks, and that the DP will empower the leaders we need so desperately.
 
 
+4 # dbrize 2016-12-19 10:43
Quoting librarian1984:
lol thanks.

I have bookmarked TYT watching the election returns. It does make me laugh.

I dearly hope Trump will rise to the position and be better than everyone thinks, and that the DP will empower the leaders we need so desperately.


A good hope.

For all who might wish to be entertained by the vapid, twisted, tormented logic of neocon (and by relation, neolib) propagandists along with genuine examples of what I semi-humorously reference about "heads exploding", I suggest the many blogs by one Jennifer Rubin in WAPO.

If I were to choose one person to serve as continuing reminder of all that is wrong with beltway mentality, I'd choose her.
 
 
+4 # jdd 2016-12-19 02:33
You are right about the long nightmare since November 22, 1963. However, to mention Kennedy and HRC in the same breath is absurd. She is a neocon, through and through and whereas JFK worked with Kruschev to avoid WWII, and eventually paid with his live to avoid a nuclear conflict, that evil woman boasted to "bring it on, I'll stand down Putin." View Trump's win as a reprieve from war and an opening for stabilizing relations with Russia and China, possibly even cooperation, and you'll be ready for the next step - reenact Glass-Steagall.
 
 
+22 # tedrey 2016-12-18 19:18
To clarify, the plan suggested would lead to a Republican prsiedent but not the egregious Trump; therefore to one presumably free of the CIA/neocom cabal. Depreesionborn missed that, and it seems that Anonymot did also. We all may tend to read imperfectly when bombarded by so many new ideas.
 
 
+34 # dipierro4 2016-12-18 19:33
"...We all may tend to read imperfectly when bombarded by so many new ideas."

Tedrey: Thanks for pointing out the error gracefully. Tempers are short, and that's not good.

My own feeling, though, is that most other Repubs are more committed to the Cold War than Trump, and maybe more committed to some other right-wing positions as well. Are we sure that any other Repub will be better?

OTOH, Mr. Trump has passed up many opportunities to show his better self, if there is one to be shown. He continues to appeal to the ugliest sentiments among his supporters. As to where he's at policywise, we still really don't know, but his surrounding himself with people like Bolton really upsets me.

Still, if the petition drive were to get a little traction and send a clear signal that Mr. Trump does not have the thundering mandate that he thinks he does, that may not be a bad thing.
 
 
+7 # lfeuille 2016-12-19 01:38
There is no such thing as a moderate Republican.
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 10:36
I don't believe that's true. I know several.

Now, a moderate Republican politician -- that might be harder to find. The Tea Party has been quite effective in purging the moderates.

I think Trump and the GOP will have plenty to disagree about. Good!
 
 
+6 # dbrize 2016-12-19 13:07
Quoting lfeuille:
There is no such thing as a moderate Republican.


Am reminded of Mr Clintons rhetorical search for what "the meaning of is, is".

Depends on how you define "moderate". And also to which issues you reference.

Example: I find Senator Paul not only "moderate" but near "progressive" on prison reform and foreign policy. On some other issues, not so much.

We continue to trap ourselves with labeling. If we wish to progress this must stop.
 
 
+4 # Anonymot 2016-12-19 12:31
No, I didn't miss it at all. When I spill milk I clean it up and deal with it. I don't sit around crying over it or trying to sponge it back into the broken glass.

Trump has messed up both establishments. That may be the best, most important hope for some form of democracy in decades - once we get past 4 years of the milk the CIA and their dummies created with the Bush & Clinton families and Obama.

We can survive Trump. We can build something new.
 
 
+2 # jdd 2016-12-19 02:26
More fantasy from RSN, which has become a CIA blabsheet.
 
 
-2 # Henry 2016-12-19 11:27
Quoting jdd:
More fantasy from RSN, which has become a CIA blabsheet.


Why are you here?
 
 
+4 # dbrize 2016-12-19 18:09
Quoting Henry:
Quoting jdd:
More fantasy from RSN, which has become a CIA blabsheet.


Why are you here?


Maybe because it annoys you?
 
 
0 # Old Uncle Dave 2016-12-18 18:58
Anyone the CIA is desperate to keep out of office can't be all bad.
 
 
+24 # Farafalla 2016-12-18 20:45
I cannot treat at reasonable any acceptance of fascism. If you are not an anti-fascist, you are facilitating its success. Trump is a fascist. Really!
 
 
+7 # dquandle 2016-12-18 22:53
so is clinton.
 
 
0 # dbrize 2016-12-19 13:53
Quoting Farafalla:
I cannot treat at reasonable any acceptance of fascism. If you are not an anti-fascist, you are facilitating its success. Trump is a fascist. Really!


Attention all!

Farafalla awakens from his hibernation in the land of "trolldom" from which he maintains his McCarthyite "lists" detailing that nearly 99.9 % of RSN posters are gasp, "trolls". He alone can identify them and protect all delicate ears from exposure to ANYTHING they shouldn't hear.

How do we know what they "should hear"? We don't. But HE does. Why you ask? Because he was BORN to be a troll catcher, that's why.

BTW, troll catcher, I told you I will continue to SCREAM and SHOUT and STOMP unless you apologize for your blatant miscalculation of the vote totals on your latest list as well as other ballot discrepancies.

If not forthcoming quickly, be aware you will be turned in to the Thought Police Committee on ballot tampering.
 
 
0 # Caliban 2016-12-18 22:21
The CIA guys are not morons, OUD.

They clearly know a greedy self-centered egotist when they see one and have no desire to see Trump quadruple his billions with their protection.
 
 
+15 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 00:19
hahaha What great guys they are, eh? The wonderful CIA! Always so virtuous and high minded! ha ha lol
 
 
+13 # lfeuille 2016-12-19 01:40
There intelligence may be suspect but the real problem is their authoritarianis m, the very thing they abhor in Trump. What is the point of having elections if you are going to let the CIA veto the result.
 
 
+37 # diamondmarge7 2016-12-18 19:26
Clinton is a warmongering neoliberal, but TRUMP IS THE WORST excuse for a human being that I think I've ever seen; in a different way than Hitler or Mussolini or Stalin, he worships MONEY & has the thinnest skin & the least curious mind--almost a moron.
 
 
+25 # dipierro4 2016-12-18 19:39
As one of those who didn't think that Trump could be worse than HRC, I admit I am agnostic on that question now. If Mr. Trump is going to rise to the occasion and give us his very best, I haven't seen it yet. In fact, quite the opposite. For all our sakes, I hope I am underestimating him.
 
 
+8 # Inspired Citizen 2016-12-18 22:16
I just did an analysis comparing Clinton and Trump using the 14 characteristics of fascism. Giving Clinton two check marks for the ninth characteristic for her support of so-called "free-trade agreements," I assessed Trump and Clinton both as having 9.5 of 14 fascistic characteristics.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

It's the legacy media that overestimated Clinton as a "safe" candidate.
 
 
+12 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 00:20
They TIED at 9.5?

I think you HAVE to show us your work!

Please!
 
 
+5 # Inspired Citizen 2016-12-19 05:45
If I can find a publisher, Bernie or Bust: Lessons Learned Undertaking a Labor of Love will be out in Feb. or March.
 
 
+6 # dbrize 2016-12-19 08:18
Check out self publishing, it's an alternative worth exploring.
 
 
+3 # John Puma 2016-12-20 02:09
To Inspired Citizen:

It is my understanding that Britt's 14 characteristics describe fascist societies as opposed to just the fascist rulers themselves.

The question was, for the pre-WWII period, as now, how much did the ruler actually fundamentally change the society as opposed to simply manipulate pre-existing features to gain power and then expand on them afterwards.

I have suggested that the US has incontrovertibl y exhibited all 14 characteristics for quite some time.

That is, Herr Hair has ORIGINATED nothing (likewise HRC, would have originated nothing).

Now the adventure to see how Herr Hair, with predicted zero resistance from the Dems, evolves given the 14 characteristics starting point.

This link goes to the actual Britt (31Mar03) Free Inquiry Magazine article:
http://tinyurl.com/pvfqg4c

The one given in the page you linked apparently goes to the current Free Inquiry page.
 
 
+3 # Henry 2016-12-19 11:26
Quoting dipierro4:
As one of those who didn't think that Trump could be worse than HRC, I admit I am agnostic on that question now. If Mr. Trump is going to rise to the occasion and give us his very best, I haven't seen it yet. In fact, quite the opposite. For all our sakes, I hope I am underestimating him.


He has no "best." Because "best" is over on the side of "good," which is not on his chart.
 
 
+12 # Inspired Citizen 2016-12-18 22:17
Marge, you were Bernie or bust. Trump is the "or bust" in that slogan.
 
 
+5 # Anonymot 2016-12-19 09:13
Hey! We haven't had a moron running the White House since Cheney - who may still be hiding in the Bushes.
 
 
+24 # lorenbliss 2016-12-18 20:00
Every Republican is a wholly owned servant of the One Percent and the Deep State. Most are also wholly owned servants of one or more of the JesuNazi cults.

Therefore the only "profiles in courage" moment by which Hillary could turn herself into a savior of humanity rather than the destroyer of worlds is to do everything in her power to get the electoral college to anoint Sen. Sanders our president.

Given the blackmail capabilities of the Clintonmob, there is no doubt she could do this, all the while publicly (and truthfully) selling it as the perfect compromise -- the one possible solution that would assuage the entirely justifiable pre-revolutiona ry rage that now defines the USian 99 Percent both Left and Right, thereby saving us from the horrors of civil war and/or violent revolution and restoring constitutional governance as well.

But of course Hillary will do no such thing. She is still motivated by (A), her desire to be the first-ever conqueror of Russia; by (B), her recognition capitalism is historically doomed, just as Marx, Engels and Lenin predicted; and by (C), her fanatical Christian/Goldw ater Girl/Ayn Rand conviction our species and indeed our Mother Earth are therefore "better dead than Red" -- hence her unrelenting intent to seize the presidency by any means possible and trigger a thermonuclear apocalypse by attacking Russia.

I say again: Trump is survivable. Hillary is not -- unless of course she leverages Sen. Sanders into the presidency.
 
 
+11 # Inspired Citizen 2016-12-18 22:12
I'll go to sleep tonight with this remote shred of hope we'll survive this year's election. It'll be the last time I'm ever going to have any hope what-so-ever that coastal cities around the world won't be under water by 2100.
 
 
-4 # Caliban 2016-12-18 22:29
When did HRC indicate that "capitalism is historically doomed"?

Got a quote to back that statement up? Or is all this just more long-winded B.S.?
 
 
+3 # lorenbliss 2016-12-19 01:27
@Typically, you not only misquote me but -- like all Hillaryite fanatics -- you try to pretzel-twist into incomprehensibi lity any truth her opponents might reveal. I did NOT say she had ever admitted -- at least in public -- the fact "capitalism is historically doomed."

But I have said many many many times on RSN and elsewhere that her genocidal, ecocidal (and possibly suicidal) plan to attack Russia and thereby murder the world in thermonuclear apocalypse -- particularly in the context of her "better dead than Red" ideology -- can only be explained by such realization.

Meanwhile there is the fact the inevitable and now undeniable deterioration of capitalism into fascism [if not into outright Nazism] was long ago foreseen by Marx, Engels and Lenin.

Hillary is neither stupid nor under-educated; hence she cannot be ignorant of the prediction, nor of the fact it is proven daily by the affairs of the global economy. Hillary is merely -- second only to her protector Obama -- the most obscenely dishonest, morally imbecilic, sadistically murderous politician in USian history.
 
 
+7 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 10:41
I do think it's sad to look at that photo of Bill shaking JFK's hand -- and then going on to undermine so many of JFK's values.

How great it would have been if the intelligent, articulate, talented Clintons had been true progressives.
 
 
+13 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-18 22:47
lorenbliss, I would love seeing her convince all of her electors to vote for Bernie!

It would be the one act that would redeem her of the betrayal she inflicted upon liberals and Democrats by gaming the system to steal the nomination for herself.

Judging by her past history I cannot envision her performing such a selfless act...but sometimes in history the unexpected happens!
 
 
+1 # dquandle 2016-12-18 22:56
Hillary is beyond redemption, though she might consider seppuku, for the honor of the country.
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 00:23
YES, loren! THAT would indeed be a selfless act of courage. I would thank her for that.

I'd also give someone great odds on that not happening (if I gambled).
 
 
+14 # Thomas0008 2016-12-18 20:31
Imma make this short and sweet. BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES WERE FROM HELL!
 
 
+15 # markovchhaney 2016-12-18 20:47
Hillary could have had a profile in courage moment long ago: by dropping out of the race. After that didn't happen, there is no chance she'll do anything that isn't about her.
 
 
+1 # kate@kseley.jazztel.es 2016-12-18 22:15
Quoting markovchhaney:
Hillary could have had a profile in courage moment long ago: by dropping out of the race. After that didn't happen, there is no chance she'll do anything that isn't about her.


I'm not so sure. I like the idea, given the gravity of the moment. Clinton will still be the one responsible for giving the country the first female president, she isn't that different from a moderate republican, she'd like the glory of saving the country from a fascist, which Trump is, besides being a mentally unstable narcissist. There's also a poetic touch, since a very young Hillary Rodham was originally inspired by a moderate Republican from Maine, Margaret Chase Smith, first woman to run for President. So there'd be an element of passing it forward that could appeal to her if pointed out to her.
Just 2 critical questions: Has Clinton been advised of this plan? Has Collins been informed and is she amenable?
Lorenbliss, I'd rather see her renounce for Sanderstoo, but 37 Republicans arent gonna vote for him. And I'm not so sure Trump is survivable.
So good luck, move.on and Harvey Wasserman. I supprt you!
 
 
+6 # Thomas0008 2016-12-18 23:03
hillary is the Demon-ess from hell, starting right back when she got the child rapist off as a young lawyer, right up to the point when she bragged about killing Gadaffi, a man not only helping his people to a higher standard of living, he also was about to create an African Currency, helping the whole continent get out from under the plundering colonialists ! She cackled like the witch/bitch she is, when she bragged about killing him. A fitting end to her would be a hanging, as the war criminal that she is.
 
 
+8 # dquandle 2016-12-18 22:59
You will not find anything remotely resembling courage from a mass-murdering lying psychopath and bully. Her "courage" is having other people die by the millions, for her profit and power and the profit and power of her despicable parasitic cabal.
 
 
+3 # angelfish 2016-12-18 23:06
If Hillary urges ALL her Delegates to voter for Bernie Sanders, WOW!!! Plop, plop, Fizz, fizz, Oh,WHAT a relief it IS!
 
 
+2 # lfeuille 2016-12-19 01:52
Short live relief. She would have to convince 38 Trump delegates to switch as well.
 
 
+8 # Annette Saint John Lawrence 2016-12-19 00:27
I dodn't like who we would end with as President. Pence is as bad as Trump.Unless somehow Bernie could be the choice I can't blindly sign.
 
 
0 # Henry 2016-12-19 11:22
Quoting Annette Saint John Lawrence:
I dodn't like who we would end with as President. Pence is as bad as Trump.Unless somehow Bernie could be the choice I can't blindly sign.


NOBODY could possibly be as bad as Trump, as you will see once he's in office — although incredible that you can't see it now!
 
 
+6 # jimallyn 2016-12-19 02:03
Hillary Clinton have a "profile in courage" moment? Fat chance of that. Maybe a "profile in sewerage" moment.
 
 
+4 # Terry Allen 2016-12-19 09:41
We dont want the elitist, war monger, wall street loving Hillary. Thank god she lost. Stop trying to twist the system to bring in the queen of sleeze. The establishment wants her in and will do anything to push their agenda and maintain their power. Thats enough for the country to reject her and the oligharcy. As bad as Trump might be the Dems screwed the country by stabbing Bernie in the back and now you still want to destroy our country by blackmailing the electors. Who knows what other plans this evil cabal has in store for us.

We dont want Hillary! Wasserman, you are a mouthpiece for your masters. Start thinking about whats best for our country and our world than maintaining the establishments power and money.
 
 
0 # kath 2016-12-19 12:38
You're asking Ms. Clinton to do the selfless thing? Good luck with that. Of course that's not even considering the Alice in Wonderland absurdity of the whole "vote for a sane Republican" plan. Where does one find one of those?
 
 
+3 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-19 15:32
Here it is Monday afternoon Dec. 19 and not a peep from Hillary Clinton.

Why would anyone expect that she would do anything to correct the chaos that she has caused to the world by cheating Bernie Sanders from being the nominee.

The Clintons do not give a damn about anyone but themselves.
 
 
+3 # librarian1984 2016-12-19 16:50
Mr. Wasserman, Why on earth would you advise Clinton to ask her electors to vote for a moderate Republican rather than Senator Sanders?
 
 
+1 # solartopia 2016-12-20 01:59
the idea---now academic---was for her to nominate someone enough trump delegates could support to deny him the nomination. always a long shot, now a missed chance
 
 
+2 # anthraxripple 2016-12-20 19:52
So we'd either get Trump, or a moderate Republican, or a not-so moderate Republican posing as a Democrat.
 
 
+1 # Eljefe 2016-12-20 11:29
That went well.
 

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