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Scahill writes: "The incoming vice president, Mike Pence, has not elicited the same reaction, instead often painted as the reasonable adult on the ticket, a 'counterbalance' to Trump and a 'bridge to the establishment.' However, there is every reason to regard him as, if anything, even more terrifying than the president-elect."

Mike Pence. (photo: Cengiz Yar/AFP/Getty Images)
Mike Pence. (photo: Cengiz Yar/AFP/Getty Images)


Mike Pence Will Be the Most Powerful Christian Supremacist in US History

By Jeremy Scahill, The Intercept

16 November 16

 

he election of Donald Trump has sent shockwaves through the souls of compassionate, humane people across the country and the world. Horror that a candidate who ran on a platform of open bigotry, threats against immigrants and Muslims, and blatant misogyny will soon be president is now sinking in. Trump appointed a white nationalist, Steve Bannon, as chief White House strategist — which was promptly celebrated by the American Nazi Party and the Ku Klux Klan. Bannon and other possible extremist Trump appointees, such as John Bolton, a neocon who believes the U.S. should “bomb Iran,” and the authoritarian Rudy Giuliani, are now receiving much deserved public scrutiny.

The incoming vice president, Mike Pence, has not elicited the same reaction, instead often painted as the reasonable adult on the ticket, a “counterbalance” to Trump and a “bridge to the establishment.” However, there is every reason to regard him as, if anything, even more terrifying than the president-elect.

Pence’s ascent to the second most powerful position in the U.S. government is a tremendous coup for the radical religious right. Pence — and his fellow Christian supremacist militants — would not have been able to win the White House on their own. For them, Donald Trump was a godsend. “This may not be our preferred candidate, but that doesn’t mean it may not be God’s candidate to do something that we don’t see,” said David Barton, a prominent Christian-right activist and president of Wall Builders, an organization dedicated to making the U.S. government enforce “biblical values.” In June, Barton prophesied: “We may look back in a few years and say, ‘Wow, [Trump] really did some things that none of us expected.’”

Trump is a Trojan horse for a cabal of vicious zealots who have long craved an extremist Christian theocracy, and Pence is one of its most prized warriors. With Republican control of the House and Senate and the prospect of dramatically and decisively tilting the balance of the Supreme Court to the far right, the incoming administration will have a real shot at bringing the fire and brimstone of the second coming to Washington.

“The enemy, to them, is secularism. They want a God-led government. That’s the only legitimate government,” contends Jeff Sharlet, author of two books on the radical religious right, including “The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power.” “So when they speak of business, they’re speaking not of something separate from God, but they’re speaking of what, in Mike Pence’s circles, would be called biblical capitalism, the idea that this economic system is God-ordained.”

One of Trump’s sons, Don Jr., reportedly said that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy, while Trump would focus on the vague mission of “Making America Great Again.” Trump’s campaign subsequently claimed the story was “made up,” though Trump has consistently denied saying things he is on record as saying, so who knows? In any case, the implications of a Pence vice presidency are vast. Pence combines the most horrid aspects of Dick Cheney’s worldview with a belief that Tim LaHaye’s “Left Behind” novels are not fiction, but an omniscient crystal ball.

How the GOP foisted Pence on Trump is undoubtedly a fascinating story that hopefully will some day be revealed. Obviously, Pence gave Trump badly needed credibility with evangelical voters and the GOP establishment, but Pence’s selection portends a governing apocalypse. While Trump has flip-flopped on a variety of issues, from abortion to immigration to war and health care, Pence has been a reliable stalwart throughout his public life in the cause of Christian jihad — never wavering in his commitment to America-First militarism, the criminalizing of abortion, and utter hatred for gay people (unless they go into conversion therapy “to change their sexual behavior,” which Pence has suggested the government pay for).

He supported making the Patriot Act permanent and wants to ban the burning of the U.S. flag. Pence does not believe federal law enforcement agencies should have to get a FISA warrant to conduct domestic surveillance and voted against requiring any warrant for domestic wiretapping. As governor of Indiana, he did quietly sign a bill to limit the use of Stingray devices by local law enforcement, though it was during the early stages of the Snowden revelations and the public concern about government surveillance was intense.

Pence supported giving retroactive immunity to telecom companies implicated in warrantless surveillance. He does not want congressional oversight of CIA interrogations — which Trump believes should include waterboarding and other torture “a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.” Pence has paid lip service to the illegality of torture but said that “enhanced interrogation” has saved lives. He has characterized relationship-building, non-coercive interrogation strategies as “Oprah Winfrey methods.” Pence is against whistleblower protections that would prohibit retaliation for reporting crimes or misdeeds. In 2002, the ACLU gave him a 7 percent rating on civil rights.

He wants the U.S. to resume the practice of holding new prisoners at Guantánamo Bay or, as Trump put it, they plan “to fill it up.” Pence also supports expanded use of the military tribunal system.

Pence has claimed that he wants to “economically isolate” Iran rather than engage in a military attack. But should Israel decide to conduct pre-emptive strikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities, he said in 2010, “if the world knows nothing else, let the world know this: that America will stand with Israel.” He supported a failed legislative effort to make it U.S. policy “to use all means necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the use of military force.” Both in rhetoric and policy, Pence has compared “radical Islam” to the “evil empire of the Soviet Union” and said that he and Trump will “name the enemy” and “marshal the resources of our nation and our allies to hunt them down and destroy them before they threaten us.”

As has been widely reported, as governor of Indiana, Pence signed a law requiring fetal tissue from abortions to be buried or cremated, making his state one of the most medieval in its approach to reproductive rights. The fetus burial law, which Pence claimed would “ensure the dignified final treatment of the unborn,” was suspended at the 11th hour by a federal judge, who said it was likely unconstitutional. Pence has been at the forefront of the movement to defund Planned Parenthood. “We’ll see Roe v. Wade consigned to the ash heap of history where it belongs,” Pence promised. He has long sought to have 14th Amendment protections applied to fetuses, arguing that they should be declared persons. In Congress, Pence voted to criminally punish doctors who performed late-term abortions, except in cases where the woman’s life was in danger. A doctor who “kills a human fetus” faces up to two years in prison, according to that law.

Pence opposed efforts to widen hate crimes laws to include attacks on LGBT people. He tried to block federal funding of HIV treatments unless they came with a requirement to advocate against gay relationships. Pence opposes non-straight people serving in the military. “Homosexuality is incompatible with military service because the presence of homosexuals in the ranks weakens unit cohesion,” he said.

Pence believes “the only truly safe sex … is no sex” and once (falsely) claimed on CNN that “condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases.”

Pence supports the “wall” Trump has said he will build, believes in self-deportation, and has staked out one of the most virulent positions against the U.S. taking in refugees from Syria. In defending a proposed ban on Syrian refugees entering Indiana, Pence said it was necessary to “ensure the safety and security of all Hoosiers.” He has advocated for greater militarization of the so-called war on drugs, including escalated military patrols. Pence denounced activists and others protesting recent police killings of unarmed African-Americans, charging they “seize upon tragedy in the wake of police action shootings.” He said he found it offensive to “use a broad brush to accuse law enforcement of implicit bias or institutional racism and that really has got to stop.” He has said that “police officers are the best of us.”

Pence is a strong supporter of stop-and-frisk programs, which in New York were used overwhelmingly against people of color. “It’s on a sound constitutional footing,” said Pence, who added that he wanted the practice expanded nationwide. “Stop-and-frisk literally saved lives in New York City when it was implemented, and it’s been implemented in cities around the country.”

One interesting difference between Pence and Trump centers on the First Amendment. Trump has made clear he believes in waging war against a free press and has encouraged hostility toward journalists covering his campaign. While in Congress, Pence was a major force behind trying to get a federal shield law to protect journalists’ rights to maintain confidential sources. A former radio talk show host, Pence said he was inspired to act by the case of then-New York Times reporter Judy Miller, who was imprisoned for refusing to answer questions about her sources during the scandal over the outing of undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame. No such law was ever passed and the bill provided wide latitude to nullify the protections of journalists in national security situations.

When he joined the ticket with Trump last summer, Pence claimed they were internally reviewing the campaign policy on the treatment of journalists covering Trump events. If anything, the situation worsened as the campaign moved forward.

On health care, Pence is now on board with repealing the Affordable Care Act, though as governor he did embrace the law in a pretty bold act of hypocrisy. He also supported denying non-emergency care for people who cannot afford a Medicare co-payment and opposed expanding the Children’s Health Insurance Program.

Pence is what might be termed “climate change curious,” though earlier in his political career, he wrote an essay in which he asserted, “Global warming is a myth. The global warming treaty is a disaster. There, I said it.” More recently, Pence has kind of acknowledged the fact-based nature of human action contributing to climate change but opposes ending any of the industrial, governmental, or corporate practices responsible. He has consistently advocated withdrawing from climate change agreements and treaties. Pence has an impressively atrocious record on environmental issues and a slavish devotion to big energy and big oil companies.

He opposed government assistance to U.S. workers who lost their jobs because of free trade agreements and has supported every neoliberal trade program since his time in public office. Pence was a loud proponent of the Trans-Pacific Partnership until he joined Trump on the ticket, and now he claims to be pondering the “wisdom” of the agreement.

Mike Pence was raised Catholic, in a Kennedy Democrat household, but he has been a devout evangelical since being converted at a Christian music festival in Kentucky while in college. Pence now describes himself as “a Christian, a Conservative, and a Republican, in that order.” Even his political action committee’s name gives off a crusader vibe: Principles Exalt a Nation.

Pence opposed imposing restrictions on no-bid contracting, which may help explain his close relationship to Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater. In December 2007, three months after Blackwater operatives gunned down 17 Iraqi civilians in Baghdad’s Nisour Square, Pence and his Republican Study Committee, which served “the purpose of advancing a conservative social and economic agenda in the House of Representatives,” organized a gathering to welcome Prince to Washington. But their relationship is not just forged in wars. Prince and his mother, Elsa, have been among the top funders of scores of anti-gay-marriage ballot initiatives across the country and have played a key role in financing efforts to criminalize abortion.

Prince has long given money to Pence’s political campaigns, and toward the end of the presidential election, he contributed $100,000 to the pro-Trump/Pence Super PAC Make America Number 1. Prince’s mother kicked in another $50,000. Ironically, Erik Prince — who portrays himself as a mix between Indiana Jones, Rambo, Captain America, and Pope Benedict — is now working with the Chinese government through his latest “private security” firm.

The Prince family’s support for Pence, and the Christian supremacist movement he represents, has deep roots.

Erik Prince’s father, Edgar, built up a very successful manufacturing business in Holland, Michigan, and became one of the premier bankrollers of what came to be known as the radical religious right. They gave Gary Bauer the seed money to start the Family Research Council and poured money into James Dobson’s Focus on the Family. “Ed Prince was not an empire builder. He was a Kingdom builder,” Bauer recalled soon after the elder Prince’s death. “For him, personal success took a back seat to spreading the Gospel and fighting for the moral restoration of our society.” Erik Prince’s sister Betsy married Dick DeVos, whose father, Richard, founded the multilevel marketing firm Amway and went on to own the Orlando Magic basketball team. The two families merged together like the monarchies of old Europe and swiftly emerged as platinum-level contributors to far-right Christian causes and political figures.

The Prince and DeVos families gave the seed money for what came to be known as the Republican Revolution when Newt Gingrich became House speaker in 1994 on a far-right platform known as the Contract with America. The Prince and DeVos clans also invested heavily in a scheme developed by Dobson to engage in back-door lobbying activities by forming “prayer warrior” networks of people who would call politicians to advocate for Dobson’s religious and political agenda. Instead of lobbying, which the organization would have been prohibited from doing because of its tax and legal status, they would claim they were “praying” for particular policies.

The Princes consistently poured money into criminalizing abortion, privatizing education, blocking gay rights, and other right-wing causes centered around their interpretation of Christianity. The family, especially Erik, was very close to Richard Nixon’s “hatchet man,” Watergate conspirator Charles “Chuck” Colson. The author of Nixon’s enemies list, Colson was the first person sentenced in the Watergate scandal, after pleading guilty to obstruction of justice in the investigation of the dirty tricks campaign against Daniel Ellsberg, the whistleblower who leaked the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam War. Colson became a born-again Christian before going to prison, and after his release, he started the Prison Fellowship, which sought to convert prisoners to Christianity to counter what Colson saw as the Islamic menace in U.S. prisons. Erik Prince funded this as well and went on prison visits with Colson.

All of these figures, bankrolled by the Prince family, are the ideological and theological ascendants of Mike Pence, who called Colson “a dear friend and mentor.” Colson and his allies viewed the administration of Bill Clinton as a secular “regime” and openly contemplated a faith-based revolution. In the early ’90s, Colson teamed up with conservative evangelical minister-turned-Catholic priest Richard Neuhaus and others to build a unified movement. That work ultimately led in 1994 to the controversial document “Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium.” (Note: I wrote extensively about this in my book “Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army” and drew heavily on that for this story.) Pence has described himself as “a born-again, evangelical Catholic.”

The ECT manifesto declared:

The century now drawing to a close has been the greatest century of missionary expansion in Christian history. We pray and we believe that this expansion has prepared the way for yet greater missionary endeavor in the first century of the Third Millennium. The two communities in world Christianity that are most evangelistically assertive and most rapidly growing are Evangelicals and Catholics.

The signatories called for a unification of these religions in a common missionary cause, that “all people will come to faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.” They asserted that religion is “privileged and foundational in our legal order” and spelled out the need to defend “the moral truths of our constitutional order.” The document was most passionate in its opposition to abortion, calling abortion on demand “a massive attack on the dignity, rights, and needs of women. Abortion is the leading edge of an encroaching culture of death.” It also called for “moral education” in schools, advocating for educational institutions “that transmit to coming generations our cultural heritage, which is inseparable from the formative influence of religion, especially Judaism and Christianity.”

The ECT signers, according to author Damon Linker — who worked for Neuhaus for years — “had not only forged a historic theological and political alliance. They had also provided a vision of America’s religious and political future. It would be a religious future in which upholding theological orthodoxy and moral traditionalism overrode doctrinal disagreements. And it would be a political future in which the most orthodox and traditionalist Christians set the public tone and policy agenda for the nation.”

In November 1996 — the month Clinton crushed Bob Dole and won re-election — an organ of what Linker termed the theoconservative movement, Richard Neuhaus’s journal First Things, published a “symposium” titled “The End of Democracy?” Acknowledging that it might be viewed as “irresponsibly provocative and even alarmist,” the symposium bluntly questioned “whether we have reached or are reaching the point where conscientious citizens can no longer give moral assent to the existing regime.” A series of essays raised the prospect of a major confrontation between the church and the “regime,” at times seeming to predict a civil-war scenario or Christian insurrection against the government, exploring possibilities “ranging from noncompliance to resistance to civil disobedience to morally justified revolution.”

Chuck Colson authored one of the five major essays in the issue, as did the extremist judge Robert Bork, whom Reagan had tried unsuccessfully to appoint to the Supreme Court in 1987. Colson’s essay was titled “Kingdoms in Conflict.” “Events in America may have reached the point where the only political action believers can take is some kind of direct, extra-political confrontation of the judicially controlled regime,” Colson wrote, adding that a “showdown between church and state may be inevitable. This is not something for which Christians should hope. But it is something for which they need to prepare.”

Dobson said the essays “laid an indisputable case for the illegitimacy of the regime now passing itself off as a democracy,” adding, “I stand in a long tradition of Christians who believe that rulers may forfeit their divine mandate when they systematically contravene the divine moral law. … We may rapidly be approaching the sort of Rubicon that our spiritual forebears faced: Choose Caesar or God. I take no pleasure in this prospect; I pray against it. But it is worth noting that such times have historically been rejuvenating for the faith.”

Today, Pence and his allies have warded off the return of another secular Clinton regime that their ideological and theological prophets once contemplated overthrowing. They will now have the opportunity to build the temple they have long desired. “Secular viewers forget that King David wasn’t always such a nice guy in the Bible, but he was God’s chosen man,” said Jeff Sharlet. “So there’s a coalescing idea that somehow, obviously, God is doing something with Trump.”

Donald Trump’s grasp of the bible is certainly not up to the standards of Pence and the religious zealots behind him. “Two Corinthians 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame,” Trump declared — in the same way he spits out “Make America Great Again” — in front of an audience at an evangelical college on the campaign trail. People laughed. At him. It is Second Corinthians.

Perhaps that episode is telling. The radical religious right doesn’t need to save Trump’s soul. As they saw in the campaign, Trump has staked out a hateful agenda — one that tracks quite well with the crusades of Pence and his fellow apostles. Even if elements of Trump’s vile rhetoric and his various threats were a psychotic form of performance art, or mere opportunistic political strategy, as some suggest, they have set the stage for the pursuit of a civilizational war that poses a dire threat to vulnerable populations throughout the world. President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and a slew of prominent Democrats have publicly said that Americans should give Trump a chance. With Mike Pence seated at the right hand of the father, running foreign and domestic policy, they will do so at their peril.

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+54 # Dust 2016-11-16 12:05
I wonder what Mike Pence would say about his objections to Shariah Law...
 
 
+22 # crispy 2016-11-17 02:08
just my line of thinking: Pence and Cruz are FOR shariah law as long as it is Christian shariah...
 
 
+67 # reiverpacific 2016-11-16 14:11
Gawd!
These dingbats make Reagan/Thatcher seem like Liberals!
Sorry to say it again but "Only in America"!
BTW, I haven't heard any "Churchifying" from Drumf; maybe this is his front man for all kinds of slick-handed, wackos doing "God's work".
 
 
+20 # Activista 2016-11-16 14:22
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/28/terrorists-demagogues-scared-charlie-hebdo?CMP=twt_gu
The terrorists and demagogues want us to be scared. We mustn’t give in
George Soros
"The open society is thus always at risk from the threat posed by our response to fear. A generation that has inherited an open society from its parents will not understand what is required to maintain it until it has been tested and learns to keep fear from corrupting reason. Jihadi terrorism is only the latest example. The fear of nuclear war tested the last generation, and the fear of communism and fascism tested my generation.... when I watched the last Republican presidential debate; I could stop myself only by remembering that it must be irrational to follow the wishes of your enemies."
using hate -- hate and fear of Nuclear War, Muslims - this is what won Trump election - comrades.
 
 
-25 # Pops07 2016-11-16 14:38
Oh, so what?
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2016-11-16 18:43
Quoting Pops07:
Oh, so what?


Back at ya; what's y'r point? -or was that just yer gut rumbling and the sound put in print?
 
 
+61 # angelfish 2016-11-16 14:41
This is STILL a free country! Neither Pence nor ANYONE, has the right to force THEIR brand of "christianity" or WHATEVER Belief, down everyone's throat!
 
 
+23 # Ray Kondrasuk 2016-11-16 16:40
Angelfish, your excommunication slip is now in the mail...
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2016-11-17 16:36
Quoting angelfish:
This is STILL a free country! Neither Pence nor ANYONE, has the right to force THEIR brand of "christianity" or WHATEVER Belief, down everyone's throat!

- that's the spirit! - sue the bastards!
 
 
+15 # tr4302@gmail.com 2016-11-16 14:47
Creeps a pair-hold the mustard and hope someone
can find the time to read the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution!
 
 
+32 # janie1893 2016-11-16 15:06
Beware of Christian punishers!
 
 
+24 # Citizen Mike 2016-11-16 15:18
He can believe whatever he wants but his actions are clearly defined and limited by the Constitution so explicitly that even a conservative Supreme Court has to protect freedom of and from religion.
 
 
+49 # dickbd 2016-11-16 15:45
I'm not sure that's true. I remember when "In God We Trust" became our national motto during the red scare of the 40s and 50s.

Religionists have been chipping away at our secular government throughout its history.

A frequent saying in the 50s was, "Communism is godlessness. Go to church this Sunday."

The problem with the ultra religious is that they are generally cranks, and they don't orient themselves to reality. They use fear to get their agenda passed, and they are one reason that we don't talk about the very thing that is at the root of nearly all of our problems: the overpopulation of our species.
 
 
+20 # Adoregon 2016-11-16 22:54
The ultra-religious /evangelical christians are 'Merica's own brand of the taliban, ready to crucify anyone who doesn't think as they think.

They, Pence and the rest of the Trump crew are a herd of troglodytes.
 
 
+5 # thekidde 2016-11-17 13:00
Turd of Troglodytes is more poetic.
 
 
+3 # dickbd 2016-11-17 19:47
You guys are being unfair to chimps, PAN TROGLODYTE!
 
 
+15 # Adoregon 2016-11-16 22:57
And yes, human overpopulation is at the root of virtually all the problems facing all life on Earth.

Ain't no politicians/rel igionists warbling about the fact that humans are fucking themselves out of a viable future.
Wonder why??
 
 
+4 # crispy 2016-11-17 02:12
don't worry global warming or a comet/meteorite could bring the 6th extinction soon including us (60-90% of human population gone)
 
 
0 # chrisconnolly 2016-11-19 17:51
MONEY
 
 
+45 # Femihumanist 2016-11-16 15:52
Quoting Citizen Mike:
He can believe whatever he wants but his actions are clearly defined and limited by the Constitution so explicitly that even a conservative Supreme Court has to protect freedom of and from religion.


You obviously can't remember back to the late 1960s when USE (not just purchase) of any form of contraception (other than abstinence) was ILLEGAL IN YOUR OWN HOME for STRAIGHT MARRIED COUPLES. in CONNECTICUT!!

We said prayers in school. "Under God" was only added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950s (so it can go backwards). And the list goes on...

Yes, the Supreme Court partially rescued us from the religious fanatics then; who knows how retro it might get again and how long before any rescue occurs.
 
 
+36 # Ray Kondrasuk 2016-11-16 16:51
Femi,I'm 73. Even now, I stumble saying The Pledge: ...one nation, indivisible...
 
 
+13 # thekidde 2016-11-17 13:01
I just don't say "under god" - never have, never will.
 
 
+25 # JJS 2016-11-16 20:02
Think back further to 1896. Separate but equal, Plessy v. Ferguson, Supreme Court decision. With the "right" Supreme Court judges anything Trump's or Pence's hearts desire can be ruled "Constitutional ".
 
 
+11 # Adoregon 2016-11-16 22:59
Hell, women in the USF (United States of Fraud) didn't have the right to vote until 1920.

Talk about troglodytes!!
 
 
+29 # Jaax88 2016-11-16 16:11
Despite what you say, there is a lot a Christian with Pence's mentality and background with legislative and administrative help could do to make living in America awful for people who do not agree with Pence and his type of believers.
And they can frame court cases that could whittle away at the First Amendment freedom of religion precedents with a host of religiously conservative judges and justices.
 
 
+5 # thekidde 2016-11-17 13:02
That's why god made pitchforks and torches.
 
 
+10 # lfeuille 2016-11-16 23:02
Provided SCOTUS doesn't re-interpret the 1st amendment as they did the 2nd. Does matter if they know there are wrong or not. They have the final word.
 
 
+4 # thekidde 2016-11-17 13:03
The people have final word - 1775/6.
 
 
+2 # perryp 2016-11-16 23:52
I really hope so..think I'll start praying for it.
 
 
+26 # Skyelav 2016-11-16 15:28
"The Prince and DeVos families gave the seed money for what came to be known as the Republican Revolution when Newt Gingrich became House speaker in 1994 on a far-right platform known as the Contract with America."

This is exactly correct. I lived through it. Now we all have our breeches in a twist about it but in fact, we didn't do one damn thing except elect Bill Clinton who was farther to the right than possibly, Hitler. And we continued his policies of de-regulation (so excited to have a Democrat in office we didn't notice the pot was boiling) despite the fact that he managed, with the help of his oligarch employers, to bring the economy of most of the world down as well while making ours look good on paper. Next,we suffered through an eight-year republican stint which cost us any hope of getting the deficit in hand by declaring unlimited, unjust war for oil and war profiteering while keeping the taxes lower on the rich hoping they would spend us out of debt. Obama, an unfortunate soul, also became a servant of the oligarchs and continued all their policies including to keep Guantanamo open. Meanwhile, we just sit idly by and vote for one after the other of them and so what do we expect? Last time I looked nothing changes if nothing changes.
 
 
+22 # Skyelav 2016-11-16 15:29
Second half fromm Skyelav: Well, now we see there is a great white French-water drinking electorate that needs a collective spanking. Because of its refusal to look at the real issues of the people (who actually struggle to make a living) dismissing most of them as hapless red-necks and worse, we now have the monster Trump -- a man-child who has no idea what he has gotten himself into, and no idea how to get out. Good luck Americans. I suggest we stop whining and start mobilizing behind Bernie Sanders and the three or four other people up there who have any sense and courage left at all. This means writing, calling, and stopping the worship the leftie crumbs we are so eager to accept as substantive and important.
 
 
+30 # dickbd 2016-11-16 15:55
Could you define "lefty crumbs"? Give some examples? I hope you don't mean Jill Stein.

Although I call myself a lefty, I am not a socialist or communist, but I do read their material, and I've been really skeptical when they were exoriated.

For example, Fidel Castro, who has been the favorite whipping boy in our press, has had a pretty exemplary history in power, and he is a hero in most of the world--particul arly countries that he helped, even though they were a poor country themselves. One of the first people Nelson Mendela visited was Castro, and he insisted that he visit South Africa, which Castro did.
 
 
-6 # Robbee 2016-11-17 16:45
Quoting dickbd:
Could you define "lefty crumbs"? Give some examples? I hope you don't mean Jill Stein.

- well robbee, for one, does!
 
 
0 # perryp 2016-11-16 23:55
Amen.
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-17 02:18
perhaps sign here:
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19
perhaps look a t this and push for it in your state (11 states passed it; it's a way to bypass the Electoral College legally next time
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/about

perhaps sign here:
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19
perhaps look a t this and push for it in your state (11 states passed it; it's a way to bypass the Electoral College legally next time
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/about
and
http://www.every-vote-equal.com/
 
 
+11 # ericlipps 2016-11-16 21:18
Bill Clinton, "farther to the right than, possibly, Hitler"?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is, or how insulting to the memory of Hitler's victims?

Come back to me when you can show Clinton was building death camps.
 
 
+1 # perryp 2016-11-16 23:49
How about "
Trumpler"
 
 
+23 # Woratnac 2016-11-16 15:31
We must begin to fight. How, I don't know. If I did, I wouldn't be typing this comment at the end of an RSN article. It is imperative NOT to "give Trump a chance." People like me and other readers will find themselves in jail if we don't begin combating this horrendous, reactionary, hateful scourge now. Working to get liberal democrats into Congress; continuing to support Standing Rock; donating, donating, and donating again to Planned Parenthood and other organizations soon to be beleaguered under the rule of these fascists. Other suggestions, please.
 
 
+9 # Radscal 2016-11-16 21:46
Now is the time to be engaging with Trump supporters who bought his populist rhetoric. I've been telling them that I hope they will not do as the Obama voters did and ignore, make excuses for, or worse still defend Trump when he sells them out.

Item One so far: "Drain the Swamp." As Trump's transition team includes lobbyists, and is floating names like Jamie Dimon, I'm reminding Trumpsters that these are exactly the sort of people that HRC would have appointed.

I find these folks do not like to have to picture themselves as Obmabots or Hilbots.
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-17 02:22
perhaps sign here:
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19
perhaps look a t this and push for it in your state (11 states passed it; it's a way to bypass the Electoral College legally next time
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/about
and
http://www.every-vote-equal.com/
 
 
-1 # Robbee 2016-11-17 16:48
Quoting Woratnac:
We must begin to fight. How, I don't know. If I did, I wouldn't be typing this comment at the end of an RSN article. It is imperative NOT to "give Trump a chance." People like me and other readers will find themselves in jail if we don't begin combating this horrendous, reactionary, hateful scourge now. Working to get liberal democrats into Congress; continuing to support Standing Rock; donating, donating, and donating again to Planned Parenthood and other organizations soon to be beleaguered under the rule of these fascists. Other suggestions, please.

- yesterday bernie gave us a pep talk - a general outline - join ourrevolution.c om
 
 
+14 # Woratnac 2016-11-16 15:34
Another thing: consider pledging to declare you are a Muslim if indeed Giuliani, Pence, and the rest of these fascist thugs go after Muslims in the US.
 
 
-9 # Tigre1 2016-11-16 17:31
Good tactic/bad tactic. EZ to BECOME a Muslim, and you can NEVER recant. To do so, among fundie Sharians, is to merit DEATH.

There may be a few of them living here.
Consider googling "FGM" in U.S.

If you misread the election as completely as you did, here's a thought: just MAYBE you should go slow on throwing your weight into supporting ANY Muslim movement. Who knows? we've been wrong before, yes? Wake up.
 
 
+8 # Mahatma 2016-11-16 16:35
"The places and periods in which people have known freedom are few and far between. Just scattered moments on the span of time. And most of those moments have been hours, the American people have a genius for great and unselfish deeds. Into the hands of America God has placed the destiny of an afflicted mankind. God bless America."

I have a chilling video of this but can't post it here.

So then I guess Ronald Reagan gets #2?

I think this goes way back in the American psyche.
 
 
+1 # perryp 2016-11-16 23:47
agree.
 
 
+17 # draypoker 2016-11-16 18:23
Fascism in America - or at least in the United States - is mixed up with distorted religion, much as it was in Nazi Germany. And I suspect Trump doesn't really understand the sort of people around him, who have promoted his ridiculous campaign. He is the Von Papen of the Movement. Bad times ahead.
 
 
+22 # stevee19304@gmail.com 2016-11-16 19:14
Why do so many Christians reject the teachings of Jesus?
 
 
+14 # EternalTruth 2016-11-16 21:21
Because they're too fucking stupid to actually read and comprehend the teachings of Jesus, and the contradictions with their own lives and beliefs.
 
 
-4 # Robbee 2016-11-17 16:57
Quoting stevee19304@gmail.com:
Why do so many Christians reject the teachings of Jesus?

- Quoting EternalTruth:
Because they're too fucking stupid to actually read and comprehend the teachings of Jesus, and the contradictions with their own lives and beliefs.

- too fucking stupid? or else? crafty enough to be hypocrites!
 
 
-1 # Lloyd Wagner 2016-11-16 21:46
EVERY thing is brought up here, except the central fact: 9/11 was done by Israel, and the War on Terror is being fought by our military, and at our expense, for Israel's benefit.
Trump is as complicit as Pence, as Obama, as The Intercept, as RSN, if you don't know anything about it.
It is treason, and everyone talks all around it.
 
 
+2 # Patriot 2016-11-17 20:17
What have you been drinking, Lloyd?
 
 
+11 # Radscal 2016-11-16 21:51
Great article. And remember that 17 states used computer voting machines provided by Dominion Voting Systems, as in the Christian Dominionists. The fact that both they and the second largest computer voting machine companies donated to HRC, not Trump implied that they preferred her.

But perhaps Loren Bliss was correct in suggesting that Trump was really their choice from the start.

Were we played? Well, of course we were, but was HRC the red herring, and not Trump?
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2016-11-17 00:59
Just saw a tweet by Senator Sanders:

“There’s nobody I know better prepared and more capable of leading our caucus than Senator Schumer.”

There could be no Senator more anathema to the policies Sanders campaigned on than Schumer.

"Chuck Schumer: The Worst Possible Democratic Leader at the Worst Possible Time"

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/14/chuck-schumer-the-worst-possible-democratic-leader-at-the-worst-possible-time/
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-17 02:27
machines got Trump his job:
https://www.facebook.com/markcrispinmiller/
 
 
-8 # SilkieB24 2016-11-17 14:47
You appear to have your info confused. Approximately 15-17 states used George Soros bought and paid for voting machines. and do not put the word Christian before the word Dominionists. They are totally different. Dominionists are radical and way off the deep end. Have nothing to do with real Christianity based on the Bible - the Word of God.
What you were 'played' on was who you thought the Clintons are. Been studying them for many years. She is a pathological liar, believing her own lies as truth - reason she is so convincing. I'll refrain from going down that road. Election is over; but sad to say the paid protestors with their propaganda is not. Pray the healing can begin and will begin and we can get started on a road to a better America
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-11-17 18:06
Soros money is behind Dominion Voting Systems.

And all Christians believe the version they practice is "the one TRUE faith," and all other versions are blasphemous perversions. That's true of most of the Abrahamic religions. Domiionists are a branch of Christianity.

And of course, you're totally wrong about my views of the Clinton Crime Family.
 
 
+3 # perryp 2016-11-16 23:34
You would think that Justice Thomas might be somewhat alarmed at the latest moves. Might he rethink his loyalties to the RP, and could the President make a recess appointment of Garland?
That would give the liberals a 6/3 majority for up to two years, enough time to throw a wrench in the planned coup.
 
 
+1 # kitster 2016-11-17 00:25
correction: "mike pence will be the most powerful PSEUDO-christia n..." matthew 7: 21-23 sums him up pretty good.
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-17 02:30
repeating:
https://www.facebook.com/markcrispinmiller/

and
perhaps sign here:
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19
perhaps look a t this and push for it in your state (11 states passed it; it's a way to bypass the Electoral College legally next time
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/about

perhaps sign here:
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

Even more important for 2020:
perhaps look a t this and push for it in your state (11 states passed it; it's a way to bypass the Electoral College legally next time
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/about
and
http://www.every-vote-equal.com/
 
 
-2 # backwards_cinderella 2016-11-17 03:23
I TOLD YOU SO !! But every single one of you demonized HRC like she was the devil incarnate. SO REAP WHAT YOU SOW !! Now we have a orange clown as president & a christian radical for VP. ARE YOU SATISFIED??
 
 
-3 # Robbee 2016-11-17 17:11
Quoting backwards_cinderella:
I TOLD YOU SO !! But every single one of you demonized HRC like she was the devil incarnate. SO REAP WHAT YOU SOW !! Now we have a orange clown as president & a christian radical for VP. ARE YOU SATISFIED??

- our sick bastards scurry from topics like this - they never sullied their sublime principles - we live in the cesspool nation that principled leftists dug for us
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:07
Robbee
- "we live in the cesspool nation that principled leftists dug for us"
Than YOU Robbee for lauding principled people! I guess you admire them only if they are principled for Clinton...
As for "leftist" Do you mean like Bernie, the candidate who would have won against Trump had Hilary not stolen the primaries?
You are BLAMING the wrong people: "Bernie or bust" people voted for Hilary in mass, in the end! there are many parties to blame but people who voted for Hilary in primaries should be #1 don't you think? Who did you vote for?
 
 
+2 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:25
Bernie predicted that she would lose before the convention where he thought he had no choice and endorsed her.
Counterpunch predicted a Trump win:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/18/hillary-clinton-will-lose-to-donald-trump/
also Prof. Helmut Norpath in FEBRUARY!
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-17 18:13
We've been warning HRC supporters for two years that she would likely lose to any real Republican.

Turns out, she could even lose to a neofascist orangutan.

HRC lost because she was a horrible candidate who represented Wall Street and delighted in using whatever military, police or covert methods were needed to enforce their will upon those who try to resist.

We warned y'all over and over again that she would NOT motivate people to vote for her, but she would motivate the right to vote AGAINST her.

But you let her steal the Democratic nomination, and gave us all a Trump Administration in your arrogance.
 
 
-1 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:26
"she would likely lose to any real Republican. " You call Trump a "real republican?"
 
 
0 # Radscal 2016-11-18 01:41
No, I wrote, "Turns out, she could even lose to a neofascist orangutan."

Trump has been more Democratic than Republican for much of his public life. That's one of the reason quite a few Republicans thought he was a plant.

But I wrote "a real Republican" to distinguish them from a Republican with a "D" after her name.

Harry Truman said, “Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.”
 
 
0 # thekidde 2016-11-17 13:05
Cindy - don't get mad, get even.
 
 
-2 # Robbee 2016-11-17 17:36
Quoting thekidde:
Cindy - don't get mad, get even.

- no one ever gets even - our fools were trying to get even for losing the 1980's, 1990's and 2000's - to spite our faces they cut off our noses
 
 
-13 # SilkieB24 2016-11-17 15:12
I couldn't stand to read any more of this moron's writing - it turned into a book. full of mistruths, lies, misinformation, hate - start reading the comments.
Author claims we Christian Trump supportors are bigots, racists, hate mongers full of violence. What's going on right now in the Streets of this Country? Violent protests, rioting, havoc, hypocrisy, destruction, and all driven by HATE. Not our Hate. Your HATE.
 
 
-8 # SilkieB24 2016-11-17 15:14
Add on reply to SilkieB24
Where is your PEACE and love you've been professing. You condemned Trump for not saying he would accept the Election Results. What do you think you all are doing. You all are not respectfully and politely accepting the Election Results.
If this were turned around, you still would be calling us names, and rioting and whatever but you would love the Electoral College and it's vote results. You would be rubbing our faces in all the filth you could muster. You're still doing it only in a crybaby way. A radical way that is being played on you all by paid protestors to rile you all up and 'play' on your emotions. This article just goes to prove how the paid professionals and propagandists are out there trying to still destroy this Country and deliver HATE messages and fill all your hearts and minds with HATE with as much garbage as they can find to muster up to fill your minds and hearts with. They are playing you all.
If you all truly love your Country, love this Country, Our American Heritage and American Country, then you would not let these radicals continue to 'play' you all.
 
 
-12 # SilkieB24 2016-11-17 15:15
Add on reply to SilkieB 24We have had this presidential elections turn out this way before. There hasn't always been a total popular vote and Electoral College vote be the same. We are a Republic, not a Democracy. Go look up the definitions of both. Go read Benjamin Franklin statement of what form of Government do we have when asked the question - his reply: We have a Republic form of Government if we can keep it. it's been screwed up and messed with for years each year getting worse and worse.
When Obama was elected, we weren't out in the streets causing all kinds of destruction, mayhem, havoc, violent protests and riots. 2 terms he won. The 2nd one in particular that was pure fraudulent voting involved. millions of dead people voting.
 
 
-10 # SilkieB24 2016-11-17 15:16
add on to SilkieB24This time around, there were states that let Felons register and vote, let Illegals register and vote - both are totally Illegal. Their voted Do Not count. Possibly over 2 million in California alone. What do you have to say for that.
Even a Democrat New York Councilman last night in an interview said Illegals and felons do not have the right to vote legally in our Country. So, what do you have to say about that one.
You all must know some pretty radical Christians or you only read 'headlines' vs whole articles. Person writing this particular article is full of hate. It just seethes out of his article.
 
 
+5 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:52
the TRUTH: Republicans are masters at illegal vote suppression, especially targeting blacks and poor communities ( Hence court rulings in Texas and SC..) people were purged because they had the same last name as felons (as in 2000 in Florida) and THAT is a FACT, THE TRUTH.

Trump's record (factcheck, not me...):94% lies or distortion of facts in last debate. Yours: 99%?
LOOK at your "anti-establish ment candidate" now surrounding himself with TOTALLY establishment party figures! lies lies lies...
 
 
+4 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:54
Show us ONE example of a felon voted? show us evidence that 2 million voted "in Ca alone"
Is that from Alex Jones?
 
 
+3 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:46
Obama won his 2nd term by a landslide only equaled by Reagan.
"millions of dead people voted?" really ? any evidence/proof? how about ZERO dead people voted?

THE ONLY TIME - in modern times at least - when popular vote and electoral College disagreed before 2016 was 2000 (Gore won)

" We are a Republic, not a Democracy."
the electoral college has NOTHING to do with Republic versus Democracy!

YOU ARE A JOKE!
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-17 18:18
There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around, but you're no doubt correct that the HRC supporters would respond exactly as the Trump supporters are if the tables were turned.

Please remember that Trump won with fewer votes than McCain and Romney LOST with. That's no mandate.

Let's find the common ground and move forward, rather than keep falling for the divisionism that serves only the wealthiest.
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:40
quoting silkieB24 "You all are not respectfully and politely accepting the Election Results."
How can we accept the results? the elections were RIGGED (Trump was right, except it was in his favor.)
Don't believe me look at this SERIOUS SCIENTIFIC analysis:
https://www.facebook.com/markcrispinmiller/

She still manage to win the POPULAR VOTE BTW... would you accept the will of the people instead of the will of an antiquated institution (electoral college)and declare Hilary won? Just like Gore WON ($6 trillion would have been saved - just for the wars -had the Supreme court not stepped in!)

PREDICTION by the guy who predicted he'd win: Trump will be impeached (I can't wait!)
 
 
+3 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:33
SilkieB24, I don't know if YOU are a "bigots, racists, hate mongers full of violence." but you voted for a sociopath who is!
Besides he has the temperament and attention span of a 10 year-old (according to his biographer who also said he was a narcissistic sociopath.)
He is so ignorant he can't even decide on a transition team to the point of meeting Romney who insulted him more than Ted Cruz (do you remember? If not look it up!)
There is no organizer to monitor protests (unfortunately unions let us down) so IRRESPONSIBLE protesters will be violent (maybe they are driven by the violence Trump exerted on so many people sparing ONLY white men.)
 
 
+2 # kyzipster 2016-11-19 22:18
As soon as Trump supporters voice the proper outrage at Bannon getting invited into the White House, I'll take you seriously. I mean that.
 
 
-9 # SilkieB24 2016-11-17 15:17
We asked for Peace, we asked for Unity, a coming together to work together to make our Country the best it can be again and we get nothing but Hate, thrown against us. What gives? This isn't love, this isn't peacefulness, this isn't Unity, this isn't coming together to work together for a common purpose.Surely somewhere in here there must be some people with some Common Sense.
Done for now. have a great day and God Bless.
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-17 18:25
Now, to be fair, the Trump campaign was not all about Peace and Unity.

But, the corporate media and HRC/DNC have spent more than a year scaring the hell out of people about Trump, so it's pretty inevitable that a lot of people are panicked at his win.

The entire country has been in a manipulated fear state ever since the trauma-based mind control events of 9/11, and this election campaign has been Fear and Loathing of a level that would have left Hunter speechless.
 
 
0 # kyzipster 2016-11-19 20:29
Right, while the anti-Clinton folks at RSN frighten people with Hillary the child killer and images of mushroom clouds.

The media definitely had a role in elevating Trump but they didn't put words in his mouth, the people at his rallies were not paid actors. CNN did not offer Bannon an office in the White House.

Kumbaya everyone!
 
 
+4 # crispy 2016-11-18 01:55
God bless??
Steve Bannon is what your candidate Xrepresents and you endorse them (look at his site full of hatred and insults towards women and other religions and LGBT) UNITY my ass!
Look at Pence's record on Hate and persecution of LGBT, women and Muslims in Indiana (unity my ass!)
 
 
+1 # Robbee 2016-11-17 16:30
Mike Pence Will soon Be the 2nd Most Powerful Christian Supremacist in US History - the Most Powerful Christian Supremacist in US History - will be the first justice rump appoints to scotus - to all who voted against hill - thanks! - now own the 2 Most Powerful Christian Supremacists in US History - we all live with your mistakes - until - of course - we die
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-11-17 18:36
We warned you.
 
 
+2 # crispy 2016-11-18 02:04
Who are you attacking?
The 3rd party vote did not matter much if that's what you mean. Otherwise, yes indeed people who voted for Trump voted FOR PENCE And Supreme Court Justices who will "make America primitive/backw ards again" who knows perhaps they'll try to remove the right to vote for women : America was GREAT then will argue Trump.
 
 
+14 # jellyroll 2016-11-17 20:42
Pence and the Republican platform say they want to rule us by Christian values. The Left has been absent on questioning what Christian values are. Even agnostic Jews like me need to weigh in on them. There's no record of Jesus speaking of homosexuality or abortion though they existed in his time. He talked of the rich giving all their money to help the poor. As a healer he wanted the poor to have health care. His main thrust was always to support the outcasts.
Universal health care, more money for food stamps, sharing the world's resources with all its people, these are Christian values according to Christ, and every time some politician or preacher uses "Christian values" as code words for bigotry and opposition to abortion, everyone, especially the press, needs to challenge them.
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-11-17 22:53
Yes, the Jesus of the Gospels was pretty much a commie. There are a few anomalies, but you're spot on with his main focus.

The Civil Rights Movement was largely formulated in Christian churches. But there was a huge and well-funded movement to conflate Christianity and bigotry.
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-18 02:06
YES right on Jellyroll!
PENCE like Cruz is FAKE Christian (and so are Alex Jones and Michael Savage who helped Trump be elected (hundred of radio station carry their hate program, Roger Stone - Trump's friend - was on daily and TRUMP Himself was on several times..)
 
 
+4 # Moxa 2016-11-19 08:00
GOD IN AMERICA

Beware the forces of piety.
Those who speak most of God
Are the most hate-filled;
The arbiters of good and evil
The most dangerous.

How can one word become
The symbol of two opposite things?
(Jesus: who despised no one, who never judged;
Who only loved.)

See they would put the
Thorns back on your sweet head--
These pious hypocrites--
IN YOUR NAME.
 

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