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Keillor writes: "For the Trump voters, the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone else. The uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones, and they will not like what happens next."

Supporters listen as Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a campaign stop at the Allen County War Memorial Coliseum, Sunday, May 1, 2016, in Fort Wayne, Indiana. (photo: Darron Cummings/AP)
Supporters listen as Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a campaign stop at the Allen County War Memorial Coliseum, Sunday, May 1, 2016, in Fort Wayne, Indiana. (photo: Darron Cummings/AP)


Trump Voters Will Not Like What Happens Next

By Garrison Keillor, The Washington Post

11 November 16

 

Garrison Keillor is an author and radio personality.

o he won. The nation takes a deep breath. Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out, and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president. We are so exhausted from thinking about this election, millions of people will take up leaf-raking and garage cleaning with intense pleasure. We liberal elitists are wrecks. The Trumpers had a whale of a good time, waving their signs, jeering at the media, beating up protesters, chanting “Lock her up” — we elitists just stood and clapped. Nobody chanted “Stronger Together.” It just doesn’t chant.

The Trumpers never expected their guy to actually win the thing, and that’s their problem now. They wanted only to whoop and yell, boo at the H-word, wear profane T-shirts, maybe grab a crotch or two, jump in the RV with a couple of six-packs and go out and shoot some spotted owls. It was pleasure enough for them just to know that they were driving us wild with dismay — by “us,” I mean librarians, children’s authors, yoga practitioners, Unitarians, bird-watchers, people who make their own pasta, opera-goers, the grammar police, people who keep books on their shelves, that bunch. The Trumpers exulted in knowing we were tearing our hair out. They had our number, like a bratty kid who knows exactly how to make you grit your teeth and froth at the mouth.

Alas for the Trump voters, the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone else. The uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones, and they will not like what happens next.

To all the patronizing B.S. we’ve read about Trump expressing the white working-class’s displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, “Feh!” — go put your head under cold water. Resentment is no excuse for bald-faced stupidity. America is still the land where the waitress’s kids can grow up to become physicists and novelists and pediatricians, but it helps a lot if the waitress and her husband encourage good habits and the ambition to use your God-given talents and the kids aren’t plugged into electronics day and night. Whooping it up for the candidate of cruelty and ignorance does less than nothing for your kids.

We liberal elitists are now completely in the clear. The government is in Republican hands. Let them deal with him. Democrats can spend four years raising heirloom tomatoes, meditating, reading Jane Austen, traveling around the country, tasting artisan beers, and let the Republicans build the wall and carry on the trade war with China and deport the undocumented and deal with opioids, and we Democrats can go for a long , brisk walk and smell the roses.

I like Republicans. I used to spend Sunday afternoons with a bunch of them, drinking Scotch and soda and trying to care about NFL football. It was fun. I tried to think like them. (Life is what you make it. People are people. When the going gets tough, tough noogies.) But I came back to liberal elitism.

Don’t be cruel. Elvis said it, and it’s true. We all experienced cruelty back in our playground days — boys who beat up on the timid, girls who made fun of the homely and naive — and most of us, to our shame, went along with it, afraid to defend the victims lest we become one of them. But by your 20s, you should be done with cruelty. Mr. Trump was the cruelest candidate since George Wallace. How he won on fear and bile is for political pathologists to study. The country is already tired of his noise, even his own voters. He is likely to become the most intensely disliked president since Herbert Hoover. His children will carry the burden of his name. He will never be happy in his own skin. But the damage he will do to our country — who knows? His supporters voted for change, and boy, are they going to get it.

Back to real life. I went up to my home town the other day and ran into my gym teacher, Stan Nelson, looking good at 96. He commanded a landing craft at Normandy on June 6, 1944, and never said a word about it back then, just made us do chin-ups whether we wanted to or not. I saw my biology teacher Lyle Bradley, a Marine pilot in the Korean War, still going bird-watching in his 90s. I was not a good student then, but I am studying both of them now. They have seen it all and are still optimistic. The past year of politics has taught us absolutely nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada. The future is scary. Let the uneducated have their day. I am now going to pay more attention to teachers.

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+86 # Activista 2016-11-11 15:26
Trump Voters (anti-Clinton fanatics) Will Not Like What Happens Next:
Paul Ryan just announced his plans to phase out Medicare with privatization using vouchers
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/11/1596527/-Paul-Ryan-just-announced-his-plans-to-phase-out-Medicare-with-privatization-using-vouchers
 
 
+89 # PaulK 2016-11-11 17:40
I was on the don't get sick plan for 27 years. Next Tuesday the dentist is going to extract the roots of a broken tooth. After that, I'm apparently going back on the Republican don't get sick plan.
 
 
+41 # Majikman 2016-11-11 23:28
Not so fast....don't you remember what happened when the Bush admin tried that shit? The country was up in arms. Plans is plans....not laws.
 
 
+68 # dipierro4 2016-11-11 23:47
...don't you remember what happened when the Bush admin tried that...?...

But Bush didn't have his party running both houses of Congress, a nation celebrating that we're gonna kick a lot of Mexicans out and maybe kick some American Muslims' asses, too, and a nice outgoing Democratic establishment asking us to support him.
 
 
-4 # dascher 2016-11-12 09:36
It's about time we started deporting the millions of Canadians who are here taking good jobs (not the crap jobs the Mexicans and other desperate folks "take" from nobody) from us! Just because they are more like "real white Americans" is no reason the laws should not be equally applied.
 
 
+19 # elizabethblock 2016-11-13 09:11
They'll be delighted to go home!
 
 
+17 # Vardoz 2016-11-12 00:16
OMG - They will pay from their crimes against the American people and the serious threat thy pose to our health, safety and welfare!
 
 
+94 # EternalTruth 2016-11-12 00:18
If the D's have half a stone, they'll filibuster this and every other piece of regressive bullshit legislation put forth by these Neanderthals. Payback's a bitch.
 
 
+93 # EternalTruth 2016-11-12 00:23
Oh, and remember all those judges they wouldn't confirm? And promised NOT to confirm in a new D admin? If the D's have any spine at all, then the most conservative justice they'll allow on any bench will be Merrick Garland.
 
 
-43 # HowardMH 2016-11-12 10:06
Democrats led by Obama the Wimp have Stones!! ROFLMAO
 
 
+27 # reiverpacific 2016-11-12 11:55
Quoting HowardMH:
Democrats led by Obama the Wimp have Stones!! ROFLMAO


Give-over you monotonous, predictable bore!
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 17:52
They won't be lead by Obama anymore.
 
 
+69 # jimallyn 2016-11-12 02:14
Please don't insult the Neanderthals by comparing them with the Trumpies. Neanderthals are people too, and don't forget they had bigger brains than we do.
 
 
+45 # NAVYVET 2016-11-12 09:17
Thanks, jimallyn. I think I'd rather see a Neanderthal as president than Drumpf.

And don't call his notions Medieval either! The English Revolt of 1381 has been called, by historians, "the most democratic and egalitarian revolution ever attempted in England". They lost? But here's the result: most rebels who were tried were acquitted, a 300% increase in wages for the working poor, freedom for the serfs, and 99-year leases of land at low rent. All our progressive ideas were either thought up or frequently tested during the Middle Ages, which I call "The Age of Action." I'm a Medievalist, and my good friends in the 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th centuries would already have started marching against him--the peasants with billhooks and pitchforks--as threats, but they usually tried to keep the demonstrations peaceable. There'd be knights in armor, plenty of poor priests and friars, nuns who nursed the poor, town journeymen and laborers (including many women), a couple of kings too. The leaders sometimes were poor women, or lower clergy, or peasants, or former soldiers. The things they all had in common were strong (and potentially rebellious) belief in FREEDOM, JUSTICE, and COMMUNAL ACTION.

With nostalgia for the era in which their highest goals were nurtured--befor e Machiavelli, the Divine Right of Kings and Infallible Popes--the French Revolution wrapped up Medieval political yearnings with their motto, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity"!
 
 
+4 # reiverpacific 2016-11-12 11:55
Quoting jimallyn:
Please don't insult the Neanderthals by comparing them with the Trumpies. Neanderthals are people too, and don't forget they had bigger brains than we do.

Quoting jimallyn:
Please don't insult the Neanderthals by comparing them with the Trumpies. Neanderthals are people too, and don't forget they had bigger brains than we do.


Past or present?
 
 
+28 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 14:15
"Payback's a bitch."

Yeah, Mitch McConnell has given us a master class in obstruction these past eight years.
 
 
+11 # bubbiesue 2016-11-12 21:46
And not worth the effort. Don't agonize, Organize.
 
 
+4 # michael447 2016-11-14 14:50
Yeah, all those senile old jerks down in Florida who vote republitard will be shocked.
 
 
+134 # librarian1984 2016-11-11 16:54
Maybe next time we'll offer a genuine alternative. Maybe next time we'll listen to people outside the beltway. Maybe next time the Democrats won't steal the nomination from the electorate's choice.

That might help.
 
 
+33 # chemtex2611 2016-11-11 23:49
It's not me or you, Batman. It is Ted Cruz and John Cornyn who didn't listen to you then and won't listen to you now. Too many lobbyists to listen to, mostly from the insurance and Big Pharma.
There's no Big Daddy.
 
 
+26 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 14:18
Do we need a Big Daddy? We have bulldog Bernie Sanders working harder than anyone. Let's back him up.
 
 
-21 # Thomas0008 2016-11-12 21:12
bulldog bernie? you mean the one who allowed himself to be screwed by hillary and then said support her? The only thing bulldawg about that was the doggie style clinton reamed him with, then he just rolled over and moaned in pleasure. He gave up and let her do it, then said, "SUPPORT HER" !!! What part of that don't you understand?
 
 
+9 # librarian1984 2016-11-13 12:35
If you want to have a political discussion quit being an a$$.
 
 
-16 # Thomas0008 2016-11-13 15:38
I cointenly hope you are looking in the mirror when you say that libbie...Minus 4? is that all I can get for some stark truth that is too hard to handle? sheesh whadah
bunch of duffers !!!
 
 
+9 # librarian1984 2016-11-13 17:52
It's not 'too hard to handle'. Don't flatter yourself. It's unproductive and shows you learned nothing.

'Stark truth'? Ha! Talk about delusional.
 
 
+25 # Texas Aggie 2016-11-12 06:13
Everyone except the people who run the Democratic party realize that the major problem is adopting neoliberal economic philosophies and abandoning the working class base. Since the first Clinton, the party has abandoned its base of working people at an every increasing rate. It felt the pain during the two elections that put the republicans in control of the House and Senate during the Obama years, and now the lesson has been doubled down on. The PTB will refuse to accept the obvious and double down on their republican lite, and the Democratic party, despite all the things in its favor, will continue to lose elections. When the Clintons and Schumer and Emmanuel and Obama and all the rest of that crowd that delights in making fun of the base disappear, then there is a chance for a comeback. As long as they are in control, forget it.
 
 
0 # JJS 2016-11-14 19:13
I agree with you Aggie but with Bill and that era, the "working class base" quit voting and Clinton had to "win" if he wanted to lead. The only ones voting were the "neo-cons" and their sympathizers. Who ya gonna go for if that's all ya got?
 
 
+2 # candida 2016-11-13 17:38
Quoting librarian1984:
Maybe next time we'll offer a genuine alternative. Maybe next time we'll listen to people outside the beltway. Maybe next time the Democrats won't steal the nomination from the electorate's choice.

That might help.


Maybe next time so-called progressive liberals (or whatever you call yourselves, it's not really clear to me) will be less self-righteous and more pragmatic about the real consequences of elections. I would have rather had Clinton over Trump any day, warts and all, and then struggle to democratize the party (or create another one, pick your poison). Your finger wagging is no consolation (or strategy) for the specter of a Trump presidency. This has put us back decades and will be much more difficult to reverse than had Clinton won. The repression has begun already for those of color. The indifference to this by so many RSN commentators who would rather hate on Hillary exposes their white and male privileges. Don't mean to pick just on you, librarian. There are many!
 
 
0 # librarian1984 2016-11-13 17:56
I love this. I really do. You guys were wrong about EVERYTHING. The election was a debacle. But it doesn't stop you one bit from sitting on your high horses and telling us all OUR problems.

Good luck with the DP. You guys illustrate just why 'fixing' the party is not a viable path.

NO ONE is indifferent to the dangers of Trump.

(And agreed, candida. My comment is critical but I don't mean it as a personal attack. Regards.)
 
 
+2 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 17:36
Quoting librarian1984:
I love this. I really do. You guys were wrong about EVERYTHING. The election was a debacle. But it doesn't stop you one bit from sitting on your high horses and telling us all OUR problems.

Good luck with the DP. You guys illustrate just why 'fixing' the party is not a viable path.

NO ONE is indifferent to the dangers of Trump.

(And agreed, candida. My comment is critical but I don't mean it as a personal attack. Regards.)

If "fixing" the Democratic Party "is not a viable option," what is? Going out and stumping for Jill Stein, who has not and will not ever polled more than a few percent in presidential contests? The most that will do is set us up for another 2000--or 2016.

And please don't whine back that Al Gore and Hillary Clinton ran crappy campaigns and lost on that account. Both won the popular vote, and Bush's "victory" in 2000 was the most naked example of election theft since Rutherford Hayes "won" in 1876.

Food for thought: since the Civil War there have been four elections in which the electoral college overruled the voters: 1876, 1888, 2000 and now 2016. In EVERY case, that put the Republican candidate in the white House.
 
 
+66 # Radscal 2016-11-11 17:09
"The past year of politics has taught us absolutely nothing."

Well, it clearly taught you, and your "liberal elitist" cohorts nothing.

"To all the patronizing B.S. we’ve read about Trump expressing the white working-class’s displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, “Feh!”

New York Times’ exit polling data. Staring Americans in the face were the following findings:

* 79 percent of voters who agreed that the condition of the nation’s economy is “poor” voted for Trump, while 55 percent of those feeling it was merely “fair” did the same.

* 78 percent of those saying their “family financial situation” is “worse today” than in the past voted for Trump.

* 65 percent of those who said the “effects of trade with other countries” has been to “take away jobs” voted for Trump.

Got it yet? THOSE were the voting blocks that were the Democratic Firewall before the Clinton/DLC takeover of the Democratic Party.

You "liberal elitists" drove them out, and now you blame them for finally realizing you sold out the working class for your Wall Street sponsors.

But yes, I expect many Trump voters to be very disappointed when he ends up serving the same monied interests.

Will they be as politely forgiving of a Trump sellout as Clinton and Obama voters were about their sellouts?

Or will we finally unite as the 99% we all are? All except you elitists, that is.
 
 
+51 # librarian1984 2016-11-11 17:49
Michael Moore said 90,000 MI voters left the presidential choice blank. That is a powerful statement.

How does bigotry explain the Obama voters who went for Trump? The Clinton people are blaming Comey, Rendell is blaming Mook blah blah

Keillor is proof that even intelligent people have trouble seeing their own vulnerabilities . The arrogance and condescension have got to go. The Democrats need to talk to offcoastals, and progressives need to build a party that can operate strategically.

Maybe we should try to convince the oligarchs to keep us around for entertainment value.
 
 
+16 # Bruce Gruber 2016-11-12 08:17
Perhaps 35% of the alienated Bernie supporters voted to destroy the DNC oligarchy stranglehold on the 'system' of progressive prevention.

A pandering "wet" visit to Detroit for "hugs, kisses and pictures" never saw the light of media day again - so much for policy. The Democratic Party has been reduced from Johnson bravery to Wall Street sell-out. Time for rebirth!
 
 
+10 # chemtex2611 2016-11-11 23:53
What have you done locally to improve health and education ? Are you waiting for Daddy to solve the problems? it is you. You actually have to call and write and read the Federal Register. I've done it since 1979 and folks thought it was an odd job. But you have to understand and work the system if you want it to work for you.
 
 
+46 # Thomas Martin 2016-11-12 00:13
[quote name="Radscal"] "The past year of politics has taught us absolutely nothing."

I don't know if readers of Keillor's article are correctly interpreting his reference to "liberal elitists"?!? ... and then wrongly blaming him for proudly being one of them??? ... Don't any of these readers see his irony and dismay?!? ... if not, this is a shame in any constructive discourse!
 
 
+2 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 18:07
We've heard from him recently shortly before the election and it was what you would expect from a liberal elitist. He assumption is still that there is nothing to the Trump phenomenon but racism, sexism, homophobia, the usual Republican evils. He can't admit that some of Trump supporters have a legitimate gripe. He hasn't learned anything from this.
 
 
+5 # Caliban 2016-11-13 20:27
I believe that many Trump supporters have "legitimate gripes". So do lots of Clinton and Sanders supporters.

But is Donald Trump the answer to anybody's problems? That is what I have doubts about.
 
 
+25 # dipierro4 2016-11-12 00:16
...* 79 percent of voters who agreed that the condition of the nation’s economy is “poor” voted for Trump...

I've seen surveys -- I don't have them at hand, but there were more than one -- that indicated that Trump supporters tended to be more affluent than average. I.e., they are not an oppressed group in an absolute sense.

There is a sense of dislocation, because white working class people don't hold the same place in the world that they held in the post-WW II years, when the rest of the world was prostrate and we were on top of the world. The large-scale psychological effects are real, and that is a crisis. But it's different from saying that this class is desperate. A lot of these people so full of rage have 6-figure incomes, or nearly so, while their Mexican housepainters, the targets of their rage, live two families to an apartment and don't have bank accounts.

Yes, the Trump voters have pain that we don't adequately address, but it's not economic injustice.

As to the "taught us nothing" comment -- that's G.K. talking about something else, about old people finding peace with their lives. It wasn't about policy. Hell, those old vets may well have voted for Trump, but G.K. didn't care. He was writing about something else in those sentences.
 
 
+3 # Radscal 2016-11-12 15:00
Yeah, I saw surveys about economic status. Trump voters were not a monolith, despite corporate media insistence on projecting a stereotyped caricature.

Here's Nate Silver's 538 site "autopsy" of the election:

"Still, it is clear that the places that voted for Trump are under greater economic stress, and the places that swung most toward Trump are those where jobs are most under threat. Importantly, Trump’s appeal was strongest in places where people are most concerned about what the future will mean for their jobs, even if those aren’t the places where economic conditions are worst today."

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-was-stronger-where-the-economy-is-weaker/

The Clinton DNC turned their backs on working people and the poor. It took too long for those voters to realize it, and by the time they did, the "lesser evil" they needed to give HRC a chance to win was a truly despicable creature.
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 18:12
The so called "missing white voters" are the working class folks that made the difference for Trump. They showed up this time. Polls of likely voters are venerable to mistakes about who they are based on recent history. But sometimes people decide to do what you don't expect.
 
 
+3 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 18:27
I always lie to pollsters. I consider it my patriotic duty to monkeywrench the machine at every opportunity :-)

For a long time I flipped off every surveillance camera but now there are too many.
 
 
0 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 17:39
Funny thing: you blame 'liberal elitists" for the Democrats losing the voting blocs you name, but you ALSO blame Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council.

I doubt that many posters here would describe Clinton or the DLC as "liberal."
 
 
-37 # dbrize 2016-11-11 17:31
See Garrison butter his bread with the WAPO crowd.

Short version:

"I'm a sobbing wreck and it's all because of you lousy low class "deplorables" that refuse to listen to your betters.

"Ok, you flipped us off, so I say a big F U to all of you and I'm taking my ball and going home."

"But just remember, you'll be sorry and don't think you'll have old Prairie Garry to kick around anymore. Nah, Nah, Nah and so's your old man."
 
 
+41 # kyzipster 2016-11-11 17:44
I like his line, 'he's yours now'.

Good luck with that.
 
 
+39 # librarian1984 2016-11-11 17:54
Yeah, does he really think we should all take off the next four years?! How nice he has that luxury.

The rest of us will actually be dealing with TrumpWorld -- and getting ready for 2018.
 
 
+15 # dbrize 2016-11-11 19:01
Sorry...this was a reply to kyzipster...but hey, we're all fellow posters, right...

Quoting librarian1984:
Yeah, does he really think we should all take off the next four years?! How nice he has that luxury.

The rest of us will actually be dealing with TrumpWorld -- and getting ready for 2018.


So many lines to like.

"We liberal elitists are now completely in the clear."

Yeah, "we" created the mess that led to all this but hey, we're the elite, why do we have to play with those beneath us?

And the ultimate put down...wait for it...

" America is still the land where the waitress’s kids can grow up to become physicists and novelists and pediatricians, but it helps a lot if the waitress and her husband encourage good habits and the ambition to use your God-given talents and the kids aren’t plugged into electronics day and night. Whooping it up for the candidate of cruelty and ignorance does less than nothing for your kids."

You idiots don't even know enough to raise your kids like WE do...teach them how to fill out applications for "legacy admissions" while they vacation at our summer homes. Why, you probably don't even give them a year in France, or Gstaad, where they could acquire social graces (and higher quality mood enhancers) and run with Wall Street bankers kids.

Damn, when will you waitresses learn it's all about teaching kids "good habits". And voting as "we" instruct you.
 
 
+28 # kyzipster 2016-11-11 21:08
It's just like 2000 all over again, you have Congress and the WH, time to step up and put out. Remember how that turned out? You can't blame Obama anymore, but you will try.

Keep pretending that the Trump rally crowd is going to be welcomed by the country club set when you make your first billion. They've had you folks fooled for a long time. The GOP is very much like Trump University.

Don't worry though, Social Security and Medicare will be there for you when you face a bankrupt retirement.
 
 
-4 # dbrize 2016-11-11 21:41
Quoting kyzipster:
It's just like 2000 all over again, you have Congress and the WH, time to step up and put out. Remember how that turned out? You can't blame Obama anymore, but you will try.

Keep pretending that the Trump rally crowd is going to be welcomed by the country club set when you make your first billion. They've had you folks fooled for a long time. The GOP is very much like Trump University.

Don't worry though, Social Security and Medicare will be there for you when you face a bankrupt retirement.


None of your concerns are being addressed by Keillor's infantile hissy fit.

And though you are relatively new here you've been around long enough to know that it's unlikely more than 1% of posters here voted for Trump.

So you can stuff the "we" have Congress and the WH bullshit. "We" tried our best to warn "you people" this could happen and you stuck with the status quo elitist triangulators. Suck it up and get to work.
 
 
+21 # kyzipster 2016-11-11 23:26
I honestly thought you had drifted in here from Breitbart, that might say more about you than me, I have decent comprehension skills. Good for you for not voting Trump.

Jeez, get a sense of humor. Keillor's piece is hilarious I think. This election is absolutely ridiculous.
 
 
0 # Bruce Gruber 2016-11-12 08:39
I didn't vote "FOR" Trump! I voted against the $billions$ gambled on a feckless cheerleader presented without shame as a 'leader'. Propped up with photo-op media hype - vacant of ideas and actual leadership achievement - Democrats were forced to abandon progressive values in favor of the certainty of status-quo inome inequality.

Those who refuse to get the subliminal message of the demand for change - by pretending Trump offered anything of real substance that holds unprincipled guarantees of retribution by sub-elites - my guess is the Wall Street minions of oligarchy are desperately trying to wed themselves to the 'winner' they despised and plotted against while joining Hillary.

A 'developer' has a 'winning' vengeance in order to prevail and build. What Trump may grow to build is yet to be fathomed. Maverick that he is, BOTH Wall Street and the Survivalist Militias of Aryan Dixiecrat-ocrac y may find familial solace in pretending The Donald might have been born outside 'their' disunited states. Both groups derive their dark money funding funding from the oligarchy that chooses corporate CEOs and Boards while supporting the Limbaugh's and Hannity's, the FED, JEB! and the DNC's Hillary. Trump is NOT their BOY.
 
 
+3 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 17:44
In other words, you didn't vote FOR Donald Trump; driven by hatred, you instead voted AGAINST Hillary Clinton, not bothering to consider the consequences.

May you reap what you have sown.
 
 
+7 # reiverpacific 2016-11-12 11:57
Quoting kyzipster:
I honestly thought you had drifted in here from Breitbart, that might say more about you than me, I have decent comprehension skills. Good for you for not voting Trump.

Jeez, get a sense of humor. Keillor's piece is hilarious I think. This election is absolutely ridiculous.


Here-here!
 
 
+16 # dascher 2016-11-12 09:58
Trump got 60 million votes; Clinton got 60 million votes; something like 100 million people did not vote. What a landslide for Trump and his "policies" - we should all learn from this that we need to pay more attention to petulant, egocentric, ignoramuses with a chip on their shoulder because they feel dissed by the elites.

Somebody in the elites could have befriended Trump, taken him golfing and hunting and fishing, and made him the head of a few charity committees. (Christie, Gingrich, Giuliani, Bolton suffer from the same lack of respect from the elites - because they are also lazy, mean, delusional, bullies.) But no, they didn't trust that a lazy, ignorant, dishonest, ignorant guy like him would do the job. And now we're all stuck with this clown.

Thanks to the elites.
 
 
+10 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 11:43
I think this is my favorite line from Keillor:

"To all the patronizing B.S. we’ve read about Trump expressing the white working-class’s displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, “Feh!” — go put your head under cold water. Resentment is no excuse for bald-faced stupidity."
 
 
+1 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 14:29
Agreed. Middle America is incensed by the liberal PC culture. The term 'PC' is a powerful catchall that does not entirely overlap with the pols or the Dems. It is an attitude of superiority and arrogance that Clinton personified. Her comment about half of Trump's people being deplorable did as much to lose the election as Comey's antics.

We have GOT to quit laughing at middle America and show some respect -- or get ready for more a$$-whooping -- our choice.

It may seem to minorities that this is a pivot toward coddling bigots rather than defending Trump's targets, but I see it as an offensive tactic. To say 'educating' is arrogant, but to show them that their prejudices are manufactured by TPTB.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: we can find common ground in conspiracy theories?
 
 
+6 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 15:40
Middle America abandoned the Democrats years ago, not the other way around. Reagan gave his first campaign speech on state's rights in Philadelphia MS, that may be the start of the Culture War as we know it today.

Democrats have been trying to figure out what it is they want for decades. Acting bipartisan, compromising over and over again. They've moved so far to the right that they've lost the left, real progressives hate them. That includes me. Best they focus on the left which is growing.

Trump has shown us what it is they want, now they have it. Half the country is repulsed by it. Now we're told we're elitist when we express outrage, told that we're the cause of Trump because we reject their worldview.

This didn't happen because Clinton failed to lie about bringing factory jobs back. It happened because Trump crossed a line and the crowd loved it. This white worker angst is a myth that's developed in the media imo, they're trying to make sense of the unimaginable. A president-elect who openly courted the alt-right.

Some might have gone for Sanders but this was mostly tribal and partisan. Sanders would have motivated the left but he would have attracted few Trump voters imo.

"Deplorable" lost the election? Maybe it contributed but Trump insulted millions of Americans for months and he only gained ground. If a person can't see this deep offense, that is some blatant white privilege. A person doesn't even have to be white to be blind like this. Good grief.
 
 
+7 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 17:43
There are other ways to talk about jobs than bringing factories back. Clinton's campaign was substanceless. In a swing state, I saw hundreds of ads and all hers said were She's Not Trump.

When your base leaves you, win them back. The politicians should be winning our votes, earning our votes. Instead Bill Clinton adopted the Republican-lite strategy. When the money started rolling in the Dems quit even trying. It's all theater. We got the duopoly when the Dems gave up.

Sanders showed us there is money and millions of voters if the party moves left. If they will not get out of the way they need to go.

The crowd loved Trump's big middle finger and we didn't offer anything better. PART of the answer IS white worker angst. Part of it's bigotry. Part of is Clinton hatred. Part of it's anti-DC etc.

Nobody but Clinton, and maybe Lincoln Chaffee, could have lost to Trump. Her 'deplorable' comment epitomized what middle America hates about the left. They feel insulted by us all the time and they loved seeing Trump give it back. But that wasn't the only bloc, and Clinton couldn't enthuse the left either. The establishment, in their infinite wisdom, shoved her through the process. We saw the corruption. We saw the collusion of the press. We found out who our true friends are.

Sanders would have won the Independents, union workers, OH, WI, MI.

Yes, I see the offense. And your superior attitude -- which is exactly what we need to lose.
 
 
-1 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 17:53
Superior attitude? RSN is the most elitist forum I have ever experienced in my life. Many here can't hear differing opinion from another progressive without insulting them, claiming they're just not informed.

Yes, I think Sanders gets the pulse of the country and he could have won and Clinton is living in the past. I don't believe he would have made many gains with the Trump crowd. Pure tribalism. 8 years of anti-Clinton, anti-Obama, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic propaganda. 24/7 on Fox News. Trump just played to it all and won, a sick kind of genius really. And hardly anyone is talking about the role of Fox News, Breitbart and the rest, and their irresponsible use of xenophobia and racism for years on end, just to get better ratings.

This makes me superior to state the obvious? That is a big part of the problem. This need to placate the far right cult has created an insistence that there's a balanced view to be found somewhere. As a result, we've come up with false equivalences all over the map. The media doesn't even bother to keep their lies in check anymore because fact checking has no impact. Their POV has become legitimized no matter how void of fact and reason.

How do you win them back? Adopt their lies and prejudices like Trump did?

Best to not even bother with this white worker angst, which is a BS identity imo. Focus on giving the left what it wants. The left being everybody else. The Trump folks can come along if they like.
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 18:07
Superior attitude: "If a person can't see .. deep offense ... white privilege .. blind"

So no, I am not saying you sport a superior attitude because you 'state the obvious'. It's because you're condescending and arrogant. It drips off liberals and it is hateful. You can't keep saying the fault is all on the RWers' part. Well obviously you can, but that doesn't help anything.

I never said a 'balanced view' and am not sure where you get that. But we need to have a conversation BETWEEN EQUALS. Sure bigots are wrong, but you think there's nothing wrong with you either? I have never said 'placate' the right but we need to talk to them.

You see the problem as white worker angst because that's easy to dismiss. We need to talk about matters of economic justice, and we need to quit seeing people who disagree with us as 'other'.

We are all flawed. We are all mistaken. We are all Americans.
 
 
+3 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 18:33
Please, I live in the South, my grandfather was a gun toating Teamster leader. Hoffa came to his house for dinner a couple of times. I couldn't be more connected to middle America. Sure, elitism is a very real thing, I've experienced it first hand for years living as a Southerner in San Francisco. My god, the projections people made. I don't even have a trace of an accent and my politics were to the left of most people there. Didn't matter, I was a bigot by association.

This sort of cultural elitism, this snobbery, feels like a minor problem, an attempt to draw some false equivalence. Much of it originating on the conservative side. As always, they define liberals. They're amazing really. They're already spinning this election as if Trump is a victim of the media despite all that he did to empower bigots. His base, victims of liberal elites. They're normalizing this fascist creep along with the alt-right and people are falling for it.

Liberalism is not the problem. The Dems are deeply flawed but nothing they can do will win these people back. They had a choice to rally behind Sanders, they knew what he was up to but they will never come back to the Democratic side or the Greens or any candidate calling himself 'socialist'. It's tribal. We best not try to placate this middle America construct and embrace progressive ideology fully. I think Trump has exposed much but the narrative that's coming out of the election feels false. That this is all the fault of liberals.
 
 
+3 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 19:27
"Superior attitude: "If a person can't see .. deep offense ... white privilege .. blind" "

I absolutely stick to that statement, if you don't understand the depth of insult, the impact this election has had on minorities and others, you are really out of touch. I've been talking daily with people. It kind of took me by surprise, the impact of Trump's win. This surprise exposes my white privilege. People are stunned, numb, cannot believe that this has happened. The fear is real, it's not empty, political rhetoric, it's beyond that. It's bringing up deep cultural and individual wounds. If you really don't understand what Trump has been doing this past year, and what his winning means to non-white people. I don't know what to say.

I don't know what your ethnicity is, but of course that is white privilege, to not understand a non-white person's perspective. Perhaps to not even try to consider it with any depth. Just a political factor. That's not a term I use often, hardly ever, but it seems so obvious. This is a very dark thing that has happened. It's why many mainstream Republicans disassociated from Trump, what he has done is so obviously wrong.

So when I hear all of this talk of Trump supporters as victims of liberal elites. I kind of want to puke.
 
 
+1 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 17:47
How many times must I point out that Clinton did NOT lose to Trump in the popular vote? Granted, it's the electoral college which ultimately decides (barring a deadlock) who will be president, but it's the voters' ballots which indicate which candidate (of the available choices) those voters WANT as president.
 
 
0 # candida 2016-11-13 18:41
Quoting kyzipster:
Middle America abandoned the Democrats years ago, not the other way around.


Yes, fascist-racist Middle America, starting with the southern Democrats who began leaving when Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act up through the racist dog-whistles of the Reagan elections. No need for whistles now!

So glad to see you've joined this odd group of commentators, kyzipster. (I can't quite bring myself to call this group progressive though many claim to be for bernie and stein. Fortunately, I don't think this group is representative of progressives, at least I hope not.) I enjoyed reading all your posts below. It's good see someone with good sense, information and arguments among this crowd of lost ones.
 
 
+7 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 18:22
They are not all the same. You cannot assume that all of the white working class is bigoted. They are worried about their future, but they are not necessarily blaming minorities. They had no where else to go since Bernie was cheated out of the nomination.
 
 
+20 # chemtex2611 2016-11-11 23:57
The GOP cannot pass anything out of the Senate w/ only 52 votes. It takes 60. They have the same problem in the House. They are going to have to do something besides wait for someone else to do something for them to complain about.
 
 
+12 # Radscal 2016-11-12 15:10
You're correct that filibusters can prevent the Republican Senate from passing the most odious of their plans... IF the Democratic Senators actually stand up to them (not anywhere close to a sure thing).

But the House doesn't have a filibuster rule. Simple majorities carry everything except the few exceptions listed in the Constitution. And the Speaker of the House has the sole authority to decide what goes up for vote in the first place.

And, McConnel could abolish the filibuster at the start of the session ("the nuclear option") the way Reid did for some Presidential appointments. That is not as unlikely a move as it once was.
 
 
+8 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 17:48
I think that's one reason we want Sanders in party leadership. He's a fighter, not a colluder.
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 18:15
We can and will blame Clinton and the DNC.
 
 
+1 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 17:50
Quoting lfeuille:
We can and will blame Clinton and the DNC.

For everything, including bad weather, earthquakes and meteorite strikes.
 
 
+9 # Radscal 2016-11-11 22:04
Perfect, dbrize.
 
 
+9 # Merlin 2016-11-11 23:17
Radscal 2016-11-11 22:04

Perfect, dbrize.

Seconded!
 
 
+1 # lorenbliss 2016-11-12 02:49
And voted yes and applauded.

But I should thank Keillor for his malevolent arrogance, firstly because it demonstrates exactly why Trump won; secondly because it proves the truth that earned me my all-time RSN down-thumb high, 62 at last count: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/39673-donald-trump-is-four-centuries-too-late

What I wrote is that "'Prairie Home Companion'...wa s a malicious satire...on those flyover folk...'Wobegon ' was pronounced 'Woe-begone,' as in woe-begone peasants...The program was also a devastating parody...on 1950s rural-U.S. midday radio...For that reason, I never cared much for... Keillor nor for his perpetuation of USian class snobbery... I thought it wrong to make a mockery of people who could no more help being what they were than a polio victim in an iron lung could help being deathly ill."

Obviously -- note again the 62 red thumbs -- revealing the now Keillor-proven truth about his vindictive elitism was the Hillaryite equivalent of owning a firearm, which the forcible disarmament cult damns as an "act of violence" that irrevocably defines one as "a Nazi."

Indeed my only criticism of dibrize is the writerly observation that "hissy fit" is redundant. In the South, from whence the term originates, it was merely "hissy": the ultimate hold-your-breat h-until-purple, fall-to-the-flo or, kick-shriek-and -then-shit-your -pants tantrum, precisely as demonstrated above by Keillor's hateful invective.

(No wonder Trump won.)
 
 
-8 # Merlin 2016-11-12 05:34
lorenbliss 2016-11-12 02:49

Well said Loren! I could never stand Prairie Home Companion nor liked Keillor. You have summed up my feelings very well!
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2016-11-12 11:58
Quoting Merlin:
lorenbliss 2016-11-12 02:49

Well said Loren! I could never stand Prairie Home Companion nor liked Keillor. You have summed up my feelings very well!


So why did you listen????
Gotcha!
 
 
+1 # lorenbliss 2016-11-12 13:53
@reiverpacific: I didn't; I'd figured out what it was after hearing one or two broadcasts via WBAI. But I had two girlfriends who, though they understood what it was, nevertheless thought it delightful comedy, and I was not about to blemish the relationships by objecting to their programming tastes.

Ergo, your "gotcha" was a premature expostulation.
 
 
+4 # Michaeljohn 2016-11-12 18:07
Omigod, WBAI ?
 
 
+12 # marigayl 2016-11-12 13:37
You mean we Minnesotans are just victims of Garrison's scorn? Then why are we all so amused by his gentle satire? Why do we claim him as our own? I'm one of those "above average" upper mid-westerners and I love his fond and funny reflection of the culture of my youth. Have y'all lost the ability to laugh at yourselves?
 
 
0 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 22:17
I'm from Kentucky, we loved the Beverly Hillbillies and most of us know how to make a self mocking, Deliverance joke on occasion. Even though I've never crossed paths with anyone dressed like Jed or with an inbred person playing a banjo, no one has ever asked me to squeal like a pig, in a non-consensual way. They're stereotypes of our culture and we don't take it personally.

Perhaps it's you being elitist, assuming the people of fly over America don't understand light hearted satire. What are you saying? That they don't understand Keillor's elitism? They're too simple to know they're being mocked?

"I thought it wrong to make a mockery of people who could no more help being what they were than a polio victim in an iron lung could help being deathly ill."

Seems to me you're guilty of what you're accusing Keillor of, being a liberal elitist, not with a mocking tone but a paternal one. Can't help being what they are? Really?

Much of Keillor's humor in this article comes off as the self effacing humor of a liberal elitist, with a little sarcasm. I think the folks at alt-right can handle it.
 
 
+14 # dascher 2016-11-12 09:52
Garrison Keelor did not grown up with money (like the 'populist', 'outsider' Donald J. Trump) and certainly did not get his kids into college as legacy admissions (that would be the Bushes - and Trump's kids). Ignorance is not a good basis for useful opinions.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2016-11-12 12:01
Quoting dascher:
Garrison Keelor did not grown up with money (like the 'populist', 'outsider' Donald J. Trump) and certainly did not get his kids into college as legacy admissions (that would be the Bushes - and Trump's kids). Ignorance is not a good basis for useful opinions.


And I well remember, when Dimwits Bush attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, G.K. stood up and loudly shouted "SHAME ON YOU MR PRESIDENT!" -with admirable restraint; I'd ha been a bloody-sight more strident and epithet spitting!
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 18:34
Neither did Bill Clinton but he adapted to it pretty well. As with Keillor, It is who he is now.
 
 
+12 # kyzipster 2016-11-11 20:59
I'll be dealing with TrumpWorld but not as if he's my president.
 
 
+12 # chemtex2611 2016-11-11 23:55
There are consequences for making bad choices. One is that no one wants to get near enough to help you deal with the mess.
 
 
+38 # California Neal 2016-11-12 00:43
I was willing to consider this humor, to an extent. I'm OK if he "tastes" some craft beers. Personally, I'm drinking them.

But we have to fight until we take back our country, not just from Trump but from Citizens United, voter suppression, the Electoral College, the FBI, an undemocratic Democratic Party & so forth.

Have you noticed the GOP fights dirty & the Dems are kinder & gentler? The GOP just ripped us off a Supreme Court Justice, even though Obama nominated a centrist one-percenter, Merrick Garland. I'm talking about the unprecedented refusal of their Senate majority to consider a president's nominee. Are the Dems going to filibuster until we at least get a moderate nominee, someone thoughtful & devoted to the Constitution & the interests of justice, & not another rabid Republican like Scalia? We need to let our US Senators know that we want them to fight.
 
 
+6 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 15:22
All true. The double standard has been with us for years. I've even heard some liberals suggest that Clinton lost because she said 'deplorables'. Insulting so many people.

She maybe crossed a line, ever so slightly with one little statement and then there's no acknowledgment of the millions of Americans Trump and his supporters have insulted, week after week throughout his campaigning. I don't even understand it, where's the balance? Democrats have allowed it to some degree, Republicans are masters at spin. Defining their opposition.

Of course Republican voters reward this behavior, Democrats are destroyed by it.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2016-11-12 15:24
Everything you note can be understood through the lens of Gore Vidal's observation that the 0.01% own both halves of the duopoly.

The Republicans are their A Team. When in power, they will do everything in their power to move forward the elites' agenda.

But when the people are getting fed up, the elites let us have their B Team. The B Team will toss us a few crumbs and tell us they feel our pain.

But the goals of the B Team are really still the goals of the elite. So they don't offer really substantive, concrete solutions.

And after the Clintonite/DLC takeover of the DNC, the B Team actually became a more effective tool for the elite. Partisans allow them to get away with things that would cause great backlash if the A Team tried to do the same things.

Welfare Reform, de-regulating Wall Street, permitting media monopolies, global fascist "Fair Trade" deals, indefinite detentions of US Citizens for "future crimes," brutal crackdowns on any peoples' movements that rise to challenge the elite, etc. etc. etc.

All Republican wet dreams that happened easily when introduced by Democrats.
 
 
+3 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 17:34
Sure, and Medicare Part D got passed by Bush. A Democrat would have had a very difficult time of it. Of course Obamacare is the Heritage Foundation's solution to health care, with all of its free market dysfunction.

This doesn't make Republican extremism any less real. We'll be seeing it play out soon enough. I'm not talking about threatening Planned Parenthood, but that will be difficult to stomach also.

I'm confused why they don't see the value in placating the masses with some very simple comforts so they can continue to rape the country. Democrats would probably cooperate. A living wage and health care, it would keep the peace for years to come. As someone said in another thread, they will give tax cuts to billionaires to pay for infrastructure spending. They seem to want to destroy the country for short term gain. With globalization, the economic health of the US electorate may not be a concern for long term profits these days.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2016-11-12 18:03
My answer to your reasonable suggestion that the elite should give us enough to keep us quiet is quite dark, I'm afraid.

First, I'd say that's exactly what they've been doing since the Great Depression. The country was getting very close to a real socialist revolution, and FDR "saved capitalism" as he said by providing enough security to tamp down the revolution.

And little by little, they've been chipping away at those programs. Today, we live in a globalized economy. The elite no longer need us as producers, though they still utilize us as consumers.

But the real demand for consumption is the "developing world." Those people want housing and autos and electronics... and they're quite willing to produce those goods for far less then are we spoiled Westerners.

Still, the elite know the earth cannot bear to bring all 7.5 billion of us to Western levels of wasteful consumption.

The rational, humane choice would be to change production/cons umption such that all humans can live in reasonable comfort and security.

But that's not as profitable.

If you were a psychopathic 0.01%er who valued profits and power over all else, what would you do?
 
 
+1 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 23:10
There's a growing middle class in China, India and elsewhere. It will work out for them if the US deteriorates to 3rd world status someday, consumer spending is worldwide as well as production.
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-11-13 01:19
Exactly. Unfortunately, the Chinese seem to be largely adopting the Western production/cons umption methods. So, they're polluting the environment, and developing Western style social stratification.

The same is true in much of the "developing world."

The earth could easily provide the resources needed for all 7.5 billion of us to live in reasonable comfort, free from want and the terror of large-scale aggression. But that is not the path down which the elite are taking the Chinese or any of us.

The elite clearly prefer this wasteful, unsustainable and discriminatory system. It provides them the greatest profit and power.

So, what I see, and expect the elite also see is:

1. The earth is incapable of providing for all humans to live this Western style production and consumption.

2. The greatest consumption would be allowing those in the "developing world" to buy all the stuff we Westerners already have.

3. Those people would also produce those consumer items at far lower costs than we Westerners have grown to expect.

4. These elites have been calling for a "necessary" enormous population collapse, leaving no more than 1 billion people alive.

So, the elites know the most profitable populations, and those most easily controlled (as you initially suggested) at the lowest costs are those in the "developing world."

We Westerners are rapidly becoming little more than a burden to the elite.

Like I wrote, it's pretty dark.
 
 
+8 # Thomas Martin 2016-11-11 23:27
Quoting kyzipster:
I like his line, 'he's yours now'.

Good luck with that.


First of all, I've been looking for the line you quote, "he's yours now" and don't find it - maybe I need another browser?

Second of all, there's all to much hatred and blame among many comments directed at Garrison Keillor to make me comfortable ... period. It'd be better if RSN could collect a more constructive crowd.
 
 
+2 # dbrize 2016-11-12 00:59
Quoting Thomas Martin:
Quoting kyzipster:
I like his line, 'he's yours now'.

Good luck with that.


First of all, I've been looking for the line you quote, "he's yours now" and don't find it - maybe I need another browser?

Second of all, there's all to much hatred and blame among many comments directed at Garrison Keillor to make me comfortable ... period. It'd be better if RSN could collect a more constructive crowd.


Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I'm so sorry you are "uncomfortable" and I sincerely hope you can find a "safe space".

As for Keillor, well let me put it this way, at least we knew Jerry Lewis was trying to be funny. If Keillor thinks this was humor I say too soon, too disguised and poorly defined. His final three sentences belie satire.
 
 
-2 # Thomas Martin 2016-11-12 01:24
dbrize - you know how to be truly offending among people who (presumably) are looking for a better way
 
 
+4 # dbrize 2016-11-12 09:10
Quoting Thomas Martin:
dbrize - you know how to be truly offending among people who (presumably) are looking for a better way


A "better way" will require the efforts of saints and sinners.

Toughen up Mr Martin, toughen up.
 
 
+2 # kyzipster 2016-11-12 23:18
I couldn't find it either, sorry about that. I think it was a drive by post and my memory registered something incorrectly. I think this is what I was referring to:

"We liberal elitists are now completely in the clear. The government is in Republican hands. Let them deal with him. "
 
 
+3 # dascher 2016-11-12 09:46
Gotta love the outrage from folks over Ms. Clinton's "basket of deplorables" remark (out of context). Had I been in her place, and I am no fan of her and her policies, having been subjected to the incredibly despicable and disgusting chants and threats from Trump & his supporters, I would have used a much less dainty word than "deplorables".
 
 
+4 # chemtex2611 2016-11-11 23:54
He's not crying. He's kept changing, and now he's going for a walk.
 
 
+3 # dascher 2016-11-12 09:49
You may recall that only about 10 years after Nixon's "you won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore", he came roaring back and beat the hell out of HHH. Garrison Keillor may well return to haunt the deplorables.
 
 
+4 # reiverpacific 2016-11-12 11:56
Quoting dbrize:
See Garrison butter his bread with the WAPO crowd.

Short version:

"I'm a sobbing wreck and it's all because of you lousy low class "deplorables" that refuse to listen to your betters.

"Ok, you flipped us off, so I say a big F U to all of you and I'm taking my ball and going home."

"But just remember, you'll be sorry and don't think you'll have old Prairie Garry to kick around anymore. Nah, Nah, Nah and so's your old man."


"EH????"
On the lighter side, remember how much fun we all had with Dimwits of the Shrub dynasty's bumbling boy.
I imaging that Monarchic Drumpf will give good value in that direction.
The best defense AND offense is to laff at these twits, and keep 'em as humble as they can manage!
 
 
+16 # kyzipster 2016-11-11 17:43
Bravo.

"To all the patronizing B.S. we’ve read about Trump expressing the white working-class’s displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, “Feh!”"

Exactly
 
 
+1 # dbrize 2016-11-13 10:03
Trump is not an expression of "white-working class" displacement, he is the RESULT of folks like Clinton and the Democratic establishments traipse into the wonderworld of global wars and policies to benefit their corporate/banki ng friends.

People decided Trump may be a dick, but he's not another neoliberal dick. (just for Keillor fans, there is a pun here).
 
 
+2 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 18:00
Quoting dbrize:
Trump is not an expression of "white-working class" displacement, he is the RESULT of folks like Clinton and the Democratic establishments traipse into the wonderworld of global wars and policies to benefit their corporate/banking friends.

People decided Trump may be a dick, but he's not another neoliberal dick. (just for Keillor fans, there is a pun here).

Most people don't even know what a "neoliberal" is; it's a term crafted by political junkies for other political junkies.

Trump voters decided they didn't like Hillary Clinton because she was too middle of the road for them, so they picked a table-pounding demagogue who promised to "make America great again."

But if a Democrat had used that slogan, he--even St. Bernard of Brooklyn--or she would have gotten hammered by Republicans for daring to imply that America wasn't great now.
 
 
+27 # Kiwikid 2016-11-12 00:47
I expect the GOP to come unglued this next four years. If the Dems give them no one to blame, their inability and unwillingness to deliver on Trump's many promises will see the electorate even more outraged than this time round. Bernie's revolution needs to find new legs - it'll be a winner in 4 years time.
 
 
+39 # Kiwikid 2016-11-12 00:52
But wait, there's more.
I don't believe there was anyone more surprised about his win than Trump himself. He was ready to play the outraged, cheated victim. He'll likely be looking at the next four years with a mounting sense of horror - "what have I done, what have I let myself in for?" He'll be like a caged lion - the most powerful person on earth will find himself a prisoner, of his minders, the rules, the expectations of the job. It could break him.
 
 
+7 # lorenbliss 2016-11-12 03:25
@Kiwikid: I up-thumbed both your remarks, but must differ with you on one point. You wrote, "Bernie's revolution needs to find new legs - it'll be a winner in 4 years time."

Sorry to disillusion you, but with Trump about to bring back the House UnAmerican Activities Committee, Bernie's so-called "Revolution" and any other public expressions of Left-leaning thought, including this and any kindred websites, are dead for the foreseeable future.

What happened during the 1960s was our 1905; it is merely that the One Percent and its Ruling Class vassals took much longer to crush us than the Tsar's Okhrana, police, Cossacks and soldiers took to crush the brave revolutionaries of '05.

Our 1917 -- if it ever comes -- will most assuredly not be led by Bernie Sanders, who betrayed the entire USian Left by his surrender to Hillary.

Indeed, I suspect this (Fourth) Reich, which pre-dates Trump by 53 years, will prove to be the Thousand-Year Reich Hitler imagined and with dreams of which his legions of Nazi war criminals further toxified the already-fascist USian Ruling Class when they were welcomed here after Germany's defeat. There is no power on earth that can beat it -- not without destroying the planet -- nor will the greedy submissiveness of Moron Nation ever dwindle, not until Mother Earth herself rises in apocalyptic rebellion against capitalist depredation.

And by the time that happens, all of us alive today will be long dead. Truly, only a miracle can save us.
 
 
+23 # lorenbliss 2016-11-12 06:02
By the one red thumb I've already gotten for this comment, it's clear some of you -- probably in fact most of you -- have no idea of the terrorism inflicted on this nation by the House UnAmerican Activities Committee.

It literally destroyed, literally forever, the lives of millions of USians -- not only those it summoned to public degradation and financial lynching, but the millions more whose careers were destroyed and who were thus forever damned to inescapable poverty by the ripple effect of its indescribably vicious accusations. My father was one of this latter group; as in fact was I, my journalism career forever limited by the lynch-mob-like frenzy into which HUAC's accusations goaded the USian public. Ultimately, it is because of HUAC I will die in ever-more-wretc hed poverty, in all probability murdered by the poverty itself.

The primary legacy of HUAC's accusations was, firstly, the death, forever, of any ideologically disciplined (and therefore effective) opposition to capitalism, and, secondly, the fascist taint, "austerity" included, that poisons USian politics, culminating in the election of Trump and HUAC's vindictive return -- its unprecedented tyranny now made truly omnipotent by all-seeing surveillance technology from which there is no possible escape.

Wake up, idiots. Unless you're my age (76) or older, you cannot begin to imagine the ruinous magnitude of the horrors soon to be unleashed on us.

Such is the ultimate malevolence of Moron Nation
 
 
+15 # NAVYVET 2016-11-12 09:01
I don't often agree with Loren Bliss, but I am 80 years old and I remember these times. Nothing happened to my family, but we were living briefly in Wisconsin not long after Joe McCarthy was elected Senator. He started immediately on his crusade, or jihad, or whatever. Two high school teachers were fired as "leftists". But we students saved the best teacher and the most vulnerable because he, a Pacific war veteran, dared to bring large posters to show our 9th grade science class, photos of the hideously burnt victims in Hiroshima, while he gave his annual postwar lecture for peace to all his classes. That teacher, who also taught physics, was also the football coach & for once football did some good for a school! I helped form the Pep Club, painted the placards we used in the stands, supplementing the revved-up team and cheerleaders. (All the kids respected this teacher.) We overawed our opponents, won the district and almost won the state championship. Even after my family moved to Florida I stayed in touch, the Pep Club was going strong, the team kept winning, and "Coach" stayed on and retired with honor 20 years later!
 
 
0 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 18:02
And if "our 1917" someday comes, will it be followed by savage purges in "our" 1930s?
 
 
+18 # uuzul 2016-11-12 10:20
My thoughts exactly. This Mussolini character was playing a game, soaking in the admiration, the cheering. Suddenly he's going to be under the thumbs of a LOT of very mean people (the Military-Indust rial complex guys who really run our country). People who are a lot meaner, even more sociopathic, and a helluva lot more focused than he is. Plus they have guns, as well as other nasty super high tech weapons. (Folks who think nothing of blowing up a wedding party with drones, then waiting for the emergency crews to arrive and blowing them up.) The spoiled brat Trump will find himself under a microscope from the public and in a straitjacket from his - very cruel - minders.
My bet? He'll do a Sarah Palin bunk about two years in and find a way to turn the responsibilitie s over to others. Baby Bush did that from the get-go and no one blinked an eye.
 
 
+22 # futhark 2016-11-12 04:18
Hillary Clinton was to some degree the victim of Barack Obama's failure to follow through with his campaign promises. Why vote for the Democratic nominee, no matter how fine the party platform, if the previous one did not close Guantanamo, continued to spend tax dollars to bail out failed investment banks, and signed a medical insurance bill that did not include a public option? Now Mr. Trump may start feeling the pressure from his side to follow through on his many absurd promises. Trust me, I hope he fails.
 
 
+27 # janie1893 2016-11-12 01:42
Look at those who are going to be the Trump's closest advisors, all paid out of the public purse. Trump is already doing what he is a genius at--scamming other people to his own benefit---and he isn't even in power yet.
 
 
-3 # MarthaA 2016-11-12 02:02
There is a problem with stronger together, because that is nonsense; the neocons and neolibs that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton lead are not together with the majority populace, they formed a new class and deserted the population, then continued acting like everything was the same as far as their rhetoric is concerned to fool the people, while they did a major-major part in selling out the majority populace and the middle class from the Democratic Party. They can cry all they want, but Hillary Clinton would have been worse than Trump will be to the majority population. Hillary Clinton has no love in any way for the majority populace and it is good that she did not win the election.
 
 
+32 # Guangzhou 2016-11-12 02:54
Already, Prof. Alan Lichtman, the man who correctly predicted correctly this election and all since 1984, is predicting that Trump will be impeached sometime within the next year on "grounds" of national security or doing something deemed illegal. The reason they (Republican establishment) want him out is because they cannot maintain control over him to follow their goals. Pence would be pres. What's especially frightening is that John Bolton's name has been proposed for Secretary of State. I fear the neocons will once again take over and lead us to wars and other kinds of right-wing ruination to further create their empire and make the likes of Halliburton richer and happy forever. I feel sick all over again.
 
 
+18 # Texas Aggie 2016-11-12 05:56
When the Shrub was elected and reelected, I thought that I felt bad. His two terms showed what can happen when evil people get control.

Now I know what feeling bad really is because we have the worst of the worst about to run the country, and having barely survived the Shrub, there is no way that this country can survive Drumpf and his horde of savages for four years.
 
 
+13 # NAVYVET 2016-11-12 08:44
There is--if we work together. Pay attention to Bernie's ideas. They are good ones.
 
 
+12 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 14:36
I can't believe I thought Reagan was the bottom of the barrel! Then we got W and I thought it couldn't get any worse. Now we have Trump.

I am going to quit underestimating the GOP in this regard. They seem to have a bottomless bench.
 
 
-1 # candida 2016-11-13 18:09
Quoting librarian1984:
I can't believe I thought Reagan was the bottom of the barrel! Then we got W and I thought it couldn't get any worse. Now we have Trump.

I am going to quit underestimating the GOP in this regard. They seem to have a bottomless bench.


You are only NOW noticing this?!?! Where the hell have you been?!?! Too late for your remorse, librarian. And don't say you weren't warned. I really hope you can be self-reflective enough to understand why you allowed yourself to be led by the nose, esp. the white and male privilege you display in so many of your posts (again, not to pick on just you as there are so many, but you do post so often and put this privilege on display so often!). So much for Trump working with Bernie and Trump being less of a war-monger than Hillary!! And we're only getting the trailers for the main show of imperialism on steroids!
 
 
+1 # librarian1984 2016-11-13 23:23
I have no idea what you're talking about.

HAVE I been led by the nose? AM I displaying my white male privilege?

Wow. You really pegged me :-D
 
 
+1 # ericlipps 2016-11-19 18:10
Quoting Guangzhou:
Already, Prof. Alan Lichtman, the man who correctly predicted correctly this election and all since 1984, is predicting that Trump will be impeached sometime within the next year on "grounds" of national security or doing something deemed illegal. The reason they (Republican establishment) want him out is because they cannot maintain control over him to follow their goals. Pence would be pres. What's especially frightening is that John Bolton's name has been proposed for Secretary of State. I fear the neocons will once again take over and lead us to wars and other kinds of right-wing ruination to further create their empire and make the likes of Halliburton richer and happy forever. I feel sick all over again.

The reason (some of) the Republican elite want Trump out is that they're terrified that he'll destroy the credibility (such as it is) of the GOP. And the reason some of them--the leaders of the "Christian" right--want him out is that that would put fellow fundamentalist Mike Pence in the Oval Office; they're not worried about the GOP "brand" but about controlling the party apparatus.
 
 
-3 # Skyelav 2016-11-12 03:31
There are two Trump voter demographics. The republicans who will always vote their pocketbook and the disenfranchised middle American
George Soros rears his ugly oligarch head while loading busses with protesters already organized to carry already made signs with the same message to the two coasts on election night. Hello folks.
The electoral collage is in place to keep control of elections fair and not just in New York and LA . It also supposedly makes it harder to stuff the ballot. Box. With all their power they just couldn't elect their queen who didn't have the foresight to compose an obsession speech or she couldn't face giving one while crying . (I've given those speeches and they are not fun)
I plan to write letters supporting Medicare and a couple of other things next year and hope and pray these foolish republicans do nt tear up the country. Pray also we start placing the blame where it belongs and ignore the great brainwashed pundits like Keillor. Shame on you Garrison Keillor for slapping the face of the folks who fed you all these years
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-12 16:08
Last night Michael Moore went on Chris Hayes to first, insist that there was no such thing as the media calling for these protests, and then he called for these protests. I guess MM doesn't think MSDNC is the "media."

Then, MSDNC insisted these protests were completely "organic," with no coordination, followed by interviews with people from MoveOn.org and Demos who described their social media efforts to get people to the protests, right down to giving directions for how to get to the right places, and what slogans to put on signs.

I'm actually all for people protesting that we selected Trump. I would hope that these protesters come to realize that it was the DNC/HRC who promoted Trump through their media influence, and then nominated the weakest possible candidate to run against him.
 
 
+1 # John Puma 2016-11-12 05:05
"Stronger Together"?

More like: "I ain't him," which is now, unfortunately, the tried, true & perfected method for Dems' electoral defeats.
 
 
+13 # Texas Aggie 2016-11-12 06:29
One of the main hurts that they will sustain is in the area of medical insurance. Obamacare has been pretty good to them, but now when they eliminate it, they'll find out how difficult it is to replace it. Some of the people in Kentucky who elected that turkey for governor had second thoughts after he eliminated their version of the Obamacare program that was helping a lot of working class people. Now that goes nationwide, but so people forget about medical care, Drumpf is going to put Pence in charge of the economy and the whole country will look like Kansas.
 
 
+6 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 18:51
Not all that good. 20% rate hikes and loss of choice due to companies leaving the market are more than many can absorb. The poorest get discounts, but those slightly better off who don't qualify see they disposable income eaten into by the rate hikes so they end up less well off. And the people who get coverage at work are hit with rate increases and increases in deductibles and copays.

Obamacare was not well thought out There is no cost control mechanism and it's dependence on for profit companies make it incompatible with universal coverage.

I would like to see it stay until it can be replaced by single-payer, but calling it a good deal is a real stretch.
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2016-11-13 01:33
I think ACA was very well thought out. After all, they've been working on it since at least 1993, and already put it into affect in MA. I think it has had precisely the effects it was designed to have.

Many of us opposed it because it was designed to leave 30 million people with no coverage, had no mechanism to control prices, would restrict people's ability to choose providers or even insurance plans and all the while permitted corporations to profit enormously.

I hate to see the 8 to 10 million people who got insurance through ACA lose that coverage. I'm especially worried about those with pre-existing conditions and those in income brackets that ACA helped.

And I sure hope this election has taught us all enough that we elect more and more true progressives to Congress and State offices in the next couple of elections so we can get another shot at Single Payer.
 
 
+16 # Indie 2016-11-12 07:14
I suspect that Donald will be reviled even more than Hoover was. Hoover wasn't as stupid as Donald and his gang of thugs. I suspect Ryan and McConnell will let him and his buddies play their little games while they work at destroying Medicare, Social Security and whatever else they can get their dirty, little hands on. I have some bad news for all of them, however, get rid of Roe vs Wade, and there still will be abortions, back room abortions where many will die. They won't mind that, it's only women dying. Deport immigrants, lots of jobs won't get done and the economy will tank. Repeal gay marriage, gays will still love each other. Actually, at some point Donald may unite the country as all his supporters and his opponents get together to stop his madness.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2016-11-12 16:23
Yep. The Republicans will try to privatize Social Security and Medicare. That's why I've been saying for the past 1 1/2 years that I expect to become impoverished and even die earlier than otherwise if they take control.

But, I value the lives of all those mostly brown-skinned civilians that HRC pretty much promised to "obliterate" equal to my own life. And I remember that Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich had already agreed to privatize Social Security just before the Lewinsky "scandal" broke, so I wasn't feeling so secure if we got HRC instead.

If they do manage to overturn Roe v. Wade some years down the line (remember that the elite are all about reducing the population), then legal abortions will be left to individual states. Basically, those states which have already made access to abortion nearly impossible will ban them, and those states where a woman can access abortion services will continue.

And all of the "identity politics" issues will continue to progress one family at a time.

So, yes. Now that we have an obvious shared enemy, maybe we can unite to fight the good fight. And when the people who voted for Trump because of his populist rhetoric see him sell them out, we'll need to welcome them in the fight.
 
 
+17 # NAVYVET 2016-11-12 08:17
Garrison, I didn't think you even liked Unitarians! Here you go counting us as "us". For a few years we've been doing our best, as White Allies & Welcoming Congregations, NOT to be elite, so please don't classify UUs, or any other ethical, caring groups or persons, with the banksters and oil-igarchy. Nor will we let Trump alone to do his damage. To hell--which we UUs don't believe in--with retiring to the garden! We intend to dog Trump like a pack of bulldogs.

I'm taking your essay as satire, and I hope that you, as well as I, fully realize that the Big Crash of 2007-8 and the actual loss of the "American Dream" (tragically, many voters assumed that includes White Privilege) was probably the main reason naive people voted for Trump. They aren't stupid--but very naive. Marsilius of Padua, an early 14th century strategist on how to form a viable democracy, was right. You can't have a workable democracy without decent education FOR ALL.

Racism is one crisis, education another, with many more. You didn't even mention the worst crisis of all--the future destruction and worldwide terror of global climate change. Trump will do nothing to stop it--or not until his properties in Miami are drowned, which could happen soon. (See "Before the Flood", free on YouTube.) Usually the poor are the ones who are forced live in places vulnerable to flood or drought, and they'll suffer the worst. WE MUST CHALLENGE TRUMP ON ALL ISSUES--STARTIN G NOW!
 
 
+9 # Charles3000 2016-11-12 09:53
Less than 30% of registered voters cast a ballot for Trump. Hence, 70+% of Americans do not want him as president. HRC got a few more votes but she is in the same category; 70%+ of Americans did not want her either. That statistic in my judgement reflects the true horror of this election. It also explains the massive demonstrations occurring across the nation.
 
 
+14 # Charles3000 2016-11-12 09:55
This election has another "FIRST:" This is the first time a billionair has moved into a public housing unit abandoned by a black family!
 
 
+6 # uuzul 2016-11-12 10:28
Quoting Charles3000:
This election has another "FIRST:" This is the first time a billionair has moved into a public housing unit abandoned by a black family!


I'm putting this on my FB page --- it's PERFECT. And to make this truth even better, it's public housing in terrible condition. Wouldn't surprise me if T finds a way to live somewhere else or have the place torn down. If he lasts more than a month in the place!!!
 
 
+8 # pernsey 2016-11-12 10:47
Trump voters created this monster now we all have to live with him. I wont blame anyone for this mess except the people who voted for him or those who didnt vote. Now they can blame themselves and their own party for the state of the country they are in full control. I am going to live each day as if its my last because, Trump with the nuclear codes, it just might be.

Im done being shocked sick and worried, it did make me feek sick and Trump and his empty headed supporters are not worth it.

Take care and may the next 4 years be what you make of them.
 
 
-12 # jazzman633 2016-11-12 10:54
When's the last time Mr. Wobegon had to worry about a job, a pension, a shrinking paycheck, or adequate health care?

Keillor and his ilk are only too happy to use other people's money to solve the nation's problems -- and then congratulate themselves for being so magnanimous. Limo liberals make me sick.

Two underrated benefits of the election: (1) a beatific state of "aclintonia" will descend upon the land, as a relived and grateful nation no longer has to think about the sleazy, money-grubbing Clintons AT ALL; they will be out of office, out of the spotlight and hopefully banished to oblivion; and (2) the return of competence, along with the withering away of affirmative action, diversity, and special privilege. It will be a great relief to know that we can dispense with the obligatory woman, Hispanic, and Black candidate -- and hire people on the basis of experience and ability alone.
 
 
+9 # Auteur47 2016-11-12 11:49
It's so disheartening when demagoguery and scapegoating can work so well to win the highest office in the land.
 
 
-1 # Susansis 2016-11-12 12:53
Okay, I'm almost as old as GK. I remember the twelve years we suffered and suffered under Reagan and Daddy Bush. Bill Clinton was a wonderful change, and, by gum, things got way, way, better. Everyone was more prosperous, we were paying down the national debt, and the country was so much better off as a whole that the Repubs had nothing. So they went with character assassination, and, unfortunately, old Billy Boy was a man with a sexual appetite and habits similar to Trump. That was good enough for an impeachment then, but now they'll salute and call the his fraudulency "Mr. President." Most of you Bernie bots went with the vilification of Hillary that Bernie dished out, and you were duped. If you'd all pitched in and gotten her as your President, she would have put Bernie into her cabinet, had he wanted it, and all you BB's would have had a lot more sway than now. Now we are all out in the cold and real people will die as a consequence. Thanks a lot! As for Garrison, the whole thing is tongue-in-cheek . He's gently poking fun at both Dems and the working class schmoes who will be most hurt by the very people they have supported. So, please, take a chill pill, go sign up NOW to work with your local Democratic Party to defeat and discard specifically awful Alt-right Representatives to both your State and Federal offices, and join the old-line Democrats to make it better for all of us. And stop complaining about the Clintons, please. Lots of us loved them!
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 14:43
I thank goodness every day that Hillary is not president, and that the Clintons will not be in the WH again.

The economy was good under Bill but he lucked out by being POTUS when the internet injected billions into the economy, obscuring the effects of the disastrous policies he and Newt were passing that would haunt us for decades -- Wall Street deregulation, the Telecommunicati ons Act that allowed this concentration of the media, mass incarceration with unequal sentencing and private prisons, free trade agreements, welfare reform, militarism, etc.

There were people being duped but it wasn't Sanders supporters. We were busy being robbed.
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2016-11-12 16:36
While Obama was meeting Trump at the White House, an order he'd given was communicated to the Pentagon and CIA.

al Qaeda in Syria would now be treated as terrorists. We would stop funding and arming them, and begin bombing them, possibly even in coordination with the government of Syria and Russia.

Time will tell if CIA will in fact turn on their creation, but there's been some real push-back in the past by the Pentagon for Obama's coddling these terrorists, so the military might well finally target all the terrorists.

I am pretty certain that Obama would not have issued this order had HRC won.
 
 
+3 # librarian1984 2016-11-12 18:17
Yes, exactly. If HRC had won we would have kept supporting al Qaeda but because Trump won he immediately ordered bombing after months of protecting them. Does that mean Clinton was the one with the relationship/st rategy with al Qaeda in Aleppo?

And no no-fly zone :-)

Trump has said he plans to lessen our role in Syria because it's not clear who we're supporting and arming. I think that about sums it up.

Did Obama give the order before or after he met DT, do you remember? Was the action required or allowed because HRC lost or because of something Obama and Trump discussed?

*******

And what about the State Dept, huh? Remember when so many career workers left before the Iraq War? Now the people there are monsters and multiple countries are pivoting to China.

What a mess we are. We have so lost our way.
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-11-12 21:22
The article I read suggested the order was complicated enough to have to have been written over some period of time. Maybe even before the election. But he issued it prior to meeting with Trump.

I don't know who's really behind this or why. I doubt that we voted out the supra-national financial interests that are assuredly playing the long game. But some substantive changes are already happening.

I'm still expecting things to get more and more "interesting" up to January 20.... and beyond.
 
 
+4 # librarian1984 2016-11-14 00:05
I don't know how much more 'interesting' I can take :-)

Have you noticed the rather strident unpleasantness coming from the Clinton campers? Yikes. Their pain is so much more exquisite than anyone else's. You'd think no one else has ever lost before. The SNL skit captured it pretty well, though they didn't include the sobbing and grief counselling. It was nice to see Chris Rock -- and some perspective.
 
 
+1 # Radscal 2016-11-15 00:43
Yeah, after a year of fear-mongering propaganda, a lot of the Clintonites are absolutely apoplectic.

And yes, I watched the SNL because Chappelle was hosting it, and found almost all of it to be really good. I hope he really does make that the start of a full-on comeback.

Same with Chris Rock. I'd love to see lots more from him.
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-12 19:05
The prosperity of the Clinton years could not last since it was built on unsustainable trends. Neoliberalism (NAFTA, deregulation), temporarily raised living standards through trickle-down but eventually the job losses pilled up and over came any advantages. And our temporary gains turn out to be disaster for Mexico. The jobs they gained soon went to even cheaper labor markers in Asia and they were flooded with cheap American factory farm agricultural products that disrupted their local food systems. He did raise the minimum wage which helped for a while, but it was not indexed to inflation so there was no net gain over time. And the new wealth of the elites led to the tech bubble, the insane run up of stock prices way beyond any increase in real value. The bubble had to burst and it did.
 

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