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Cole writes: "Trump in his daily free association exercise accused President Obama of creating Daesh (ISIL, ISIS) in Iraq by withdrawing troops from that country in 2011. It is an accusation he has in past made against Sec. Clinton, but now he is shifting blame to Obama."

Trump said at a campaign event this week that Obama is the founder of ISIS. (photo: Getty)
Trump said at a campaign event this week that Obama is the founder of ISIS. (photo: Getty)


No, Obama Did Not Found ISIL, Mr. Trump: That Was the GOP

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

11 August 16

 

rump in his daily free association exercise accused President Obama of creating Daesh (ISIL, ISIS) in Iraq by withdrawing troops from that country in 2011. It is an accusation he has in past made against Sec. Clinton, but now he is shifting blame to Obama.

Obama did not withdraw troops from Iraq in 2011 all on his own. The timetable for withdrawal was set by the Bush administration.

The US government determined that they could not put US troops in Iraq in the position of possibly being prosecuted by Iraqi courts for war crimes if they fought in the country without a Status of Forces Agreement.

The Iraqi parliament declined to pass a SOFA that would let war-fighting Us troops stay in the country and would hold them harmless from legal action. I mean, you were asking representatives from Amara, from the Ahrar party of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr vote to keep US troops in the country.

The Sadrists, e.g., were all about anti-imperialism, and they really minded the civilian casualties caused by the US invasion and occupation. They weren�t going to vote to keep the US in the country.

So Obama was not asked to stay in Iraq by the sovereign Iraqi government, and international law made it impossible for him to keep troops there in a war-fighting capacity without an extra territoriality provision.
He simply abided by the agreement worked out by the Bush administration.

In 2011 when the civil war broke out in Syria, the elements of the �Islamic State of Iraq� that had evolved out of al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia went to fight in Syria. Obama had nothing to do with that development.

There had been no al-Qaeda in Iraq before Bush invaded. Operatives flocked there to fight the US troops, and gathered under the rubric first of al-Tawhid of the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. But al-Zarqawi initially had bad relations with Usama Bin Laden. In order to fight the US presence, he made up and joined al-Qaeda and formed al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia. AFter he was killed by the US in 2006, the new, Iraqi leadership declared itself the Islamic State of Iraq and deepened their al-Qaeda affiliation.

So, the Republican, George W. Bush created Daesh / ISIL.

It wasn�t the US withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 that allowed it ultimately to take over western and northern Iraq. It was its success in Syria, where it preyed on other radical Muslim factions.

And it was the marginalization of the Iraqi Sunnis by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, whose Shiite majority came to power under Bush, that promoted Daesh.

It is rich for Trump to now come and blame Obama for the actions and reactions of the Republicans who invaded and occupied Iraq.

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+28 # Activista 2011-07-16 18:49
Very significant - believe that statistics is 50 civilians per one "high value target" - deaths of up to 2,500 Pakistanis in 260 attacks since 2004 -
Now on 911 there were few CIA and NSA personnel killed (did not hear about any children) by terrorists - Google!:
children killed by drones
between US and Israel there are HUNDREDS!
Who are terrorists here?
 
 
+9 # Rita Walpole Ague 2011-07-17 05:16
Google: Colorado Springs Independent, Jan. 21, 2010. Following their request for documentation, included in the documents I forwarded to the DOJ as I sought a much needed investigation re. police brutality in the super fusion center of the nation, Colorado Springs, was an address given at the Northern Command Center in which 'terrorists' also now include anarchists (i.e. peace and justice advocates/activ ists, environmental activists, animal rights activists, etc.. The Oh Bomb Ah administrations ' DOJ refused to investigate blatant and ongoing police brutality, which has tortured many here in the 'America the Beautiful' city, including the children teargassed with their parents prior to the U.S. entry into the war in Iraq as they peacefully protested our entry that lied into war.

Yes indeed, Activista, U.S. and Israile terrorism, based on greed and power addiction, is now rampant, and has increased under the very candidate, a man I now call Oh Bomb Ah, for whom I, stupidly, worked so how to get elected.

Oh Bomb Ah is now NOBAMA for soooooo many of us in 2012. We've been shamed once by supporting the pres. who has kicked and killed so many by uppage in killing by drones, and so much more, again and again, and we ain't about to be kicked twice.
 
 
+21 # DaveM 2011-07-16 22:10
This horror needs to be reigned in by process of law before it is adopted inside the borders of the United States. Predator drones are already being used for border surveillance. Given the mania for "the war on terror" and "the war on drugs", both of which are being waged by paramilitary forces, how long before someone gets the idea to start hanging missiles on them for "surgical strikes" right here at home.

No need for any of those messy warrants or Miranda warnings or anything of that sort. Dead men tell no tales, and do not appear on court calendars.
 
 
+15 # jean lafitte 2011-07-17 00:31
If we are going to indict John Rizzo and the drone operators, we must look upward for their superiors in the chain of command.

I'm not going to name names, but their initials are Leon Panetta and Barack Obama. Of course, all are culpable, but let us not forget who is ultimately responsible.
 
 
+4 # futhark 2011-07-17 02:02
As Randy Newman says in his satirical "Political Science""

"They all hate us anyhow,
So let's drop the Big One now..."

Why bother with "surgical strikes" when you can just fumigate the whole country with poison gas? Geneva Convention? We don't need no stinkin' Geneva Convention!

Let's see how the evildoers respond to a little indiscriminate genocide!
 
 
+21 # Habib Khan 2011-07-17 03:46
What is the difference between a terrorist killing innocent civilians and a drone killing innocent civilians? Can one act justify the other?
Even the war should have some ethics. The use of drones in populated areas has no justification if it kills innocent civilians besides the known terrorist.
Also, what does it achieve? Every time it is used it creates more terrorists than it eliminates so it is highly counterproducti ve.
I hope the use of double standards will end some day.
 
 
+5 # rm 2011-07-18 11:43
Habib -- the difference was identified by Noam Chomaky a long time ago. When a "terrorist" kills innocent civilians it is "retail" terrorism. When the US or Israel kills innocent civilians it is "wholesale" terrorism. The numbers make the difference. Kill one person and you are a murderer. Kill 100,000 like General Patraeus and you are a hero.

It is also a matter of who is getting killed or terrorized. Chomsky also presented his theory of Worthy and Unworthy victims. So if the victims are Arabs or Pakistanis, then they are unworthy of our sympathy or outrage and the terrorists (i.e., US military or CIA) who killed them deserve no blame. But if the victims are amricans or israelis, then they are worthy of our sympathy and outrage and we must support the retaliation of our military, even when it kills tens of thousands of innocent victims.

There is a logic to this, even if it is a twisted and evil logic. The mass media adheres to the logic without the slightest deviation.
 
 
+18 # Ralph Averill 2011-07-17 04:25
How can the US gov't. claim to be on "solid legal basis" when it refuses to recognize the World Court?
"Much of the intelligence for the attacks is supplied either by the Pakistani military or the ISI, the country's controversial intelligence agency."
A great way for the Pakistani gov't to wage war on its own citizens by proxy. Got a personal score to settle? Someone you don't like? Make a phone call with latitude and longitude coordinates. The Pakistani gov't. can then condemn the attack with clean hands. Slick.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2011-07-18 01:03
U.S. favorable ratings, in most Arab countries, have now fallen to levels lower than they were in 2008, the last year of the Bush administration. In Morocco, for example, positive attitudes toward the United States went from 26% in 2008 to a high 55% in 2009. Today, they have fallen to 12%. The story was much the same in Egypt, where the U.S. rating went from 9% in 2008 to 30% in 2009 and has now plummeted to 5% in this year's survey.
They hate US - Mr. AIPAC Obama more than BUSH -
www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/america-in-trouble-in-the_b_900649.html?ir=World

Payof for MILITARISM
 
 
+2 # Activista 2011-07-18 09:30
 
 
+1 # Jesussavesus@aol.com 2012-11-28 20:18
John Rizzo frames innnocent americans and people thru the world for a torture program called Project Bluebeam. His victims are killed or commit suicide from severe pain thru EMF waves. Project Bluebeam satan worshippers are in US Govt. PROTEST and spread the word. It's real! Evil beyond words. Govt keeps him on payroll. Pray and protest his removal from CIA torture program. Protest also to him at his address:
3845 Resevoir Rd Washington DC 20007
 

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