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Reich writes: "Mike Pence - Donald Trump's pick for vice president - is one of the most extreme right-wing officials in America. Let us count the ways."

Former Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich. (photo: Steve Russell/Toronto Star)
Former Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich. (photo: Steve Russell/Toronto Star)


Mike Pence Is One of the Most Extreme Right-Wing Officials in America

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Facebook Page

16 July 16

 

ike Pence -- Donald Trump’s pick for vice president -- is one of the most extreme right-wing officials in America. Let us count the ways:

  1. As governor of Indiana he signed the “license to discriminate” bill allowing Indiana businesses to deny service to gays.

  2. He has tried to halt the settlement of Syrian refugees in the state.

  3. His position on abortion is so extreme that, as a member of congress, he voted for legislation that would give “personhood” rights to embryos, and defund Planned Parenthood.

  4. He also voted against measures aimed at preventing LGBT discrimination, and he supported federal legislation prohibiting same-sex marriage.

  5. He also threatened to block Hurricane Katrina reconstruction unless the money needed was offset by cuts to Medicare and the national school lunch program.

  6. He has compared Obamacare to the 9/11 attacks (although later apologized for the comment).

  7. Pence is also a favorite of the Koch brothers.
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+107 # DogSoldier 2016-07-16 11:55
Trump picked Pence because of his ties to the Koch's. Trump is a fraud, he doesn't have the money to back his campaign liked he promised. He's heavily in debt, and has less than 200 million in cash. Without the Kochsuckers or some other repugnant toadie with serious cash, he has no campaign.

PS: Love the logo. TP is a great logo. I'm sure some serious fun will be had with that.
 
 
-4 # RMDC 2016-07-17 08:13
crzkat -- you are probably right and this is a nightmare scenario.

I thought I read somewhere that the Kochsuckers were backing Hillary. Maybe they are backing both -- after all, why would they care which of their sock-puppets lives in the whore house on Pennsylvania Ave.
 
 
+1 # Robbee 2016-07-18 19:28
Quoting RMDC:
I thought I read somewhere that the Kochsuckers were backing Hillary.

- you were just proof-reading one of your stupid posts!
 
 
0 # virtualaudio 2016-07-20 18:35
I saw on Thom Hartmann's show 'The Big Picture' a few months ago that Trump refused to go to the Koch Network gathering before he announced his bid.
This temporarily gave him the appearance of being his own man, beholden to no one. Then he hired several Koch insiders & ultimately picked Pence, Charles Koch's early favorite for the 2012 presidential bid.
This, combined with the dumping of Trump's previous anti-trade positions bodes ill for the republicans & the nation.
I supported Sanders (still do), and will not vote for HRC, but anyone who thinks that Trump is better because he bashed NAFTA, CAFTA & TPP a few times & claims he is self funded is deluded.
Trump is NOT the answer to HRC. Neither are qualified to be President. Both have lied repeatedly; Comey made it clear that HRC acted in a manner unbefitting of the President; And HRC said she would put her husband in charge of economic policy. A frightening prospect. Bill got lucky during his tenure due to the tech bubble and the post cold war 'peace dividend', but he squandered these opportunities by overturning Glass - Steagall, impoverishing the poor with 'welfare to work', destroying investigative journalism with the Telecommunicati ons Act of 1996, and picking the Goldman Sachs crowd, something HRC is bound to repeat.
 
 
+98 # rocback 2016-07-16 12:06
Mike Pence's economic policies have been hostile to the middle class and the poor while rewarding the ultra rich. He has consistently opposed increasing the minimum wage and even signed a law that allowed skilled construction workers in Indiana to have their pay rates cut.

He has supported privatizing Social Security and voucherizing Medicare, all the while advocating huge tax cuts for corporations and the rich.
 
 
+51 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 15:03
For once, Roachback gets the facts right. Good job -- and thank you.

And an especially excellent job of reporting by Mr. Reich, whose description of Pence's pernicious perversities is by far the best I've yet seen, for which we should all extend our thanks.
 
 
+32 # rocback 2016-07-16 19:39
Thank you lorenbliss. I would also point this out about Pense:

Mike Pence doesn’t believe smoking causes deaths. He wrote on his website, “smoking doesn't kill. In fact, two out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness.” … last time I checked, that means one out of every three smokers DOES die from a smoking-related illness, right?

Mike Pence thinks climate change is a hoax. Again, in his own words: "Global warming is a myth. The global warming treaty is a disaster. There, I said it."

Mike Pence shut down the only HIV testing center in Scott County, Indiana -- in the name of preventing HIV/AIDS. In a huge surprise, that county later experienced what the press called “an exploding HIV outbreak.”
 
 
+17 # bckrd11 2016-07-17 13:45
He also did away with the needle program for addicts and Indiana exploded with outbreaks of every disease one gets from sharing needles. Thanks Mike. Why are the GOP always hateful awful people?
 
 
-17 # librarian1984 2016-07-16 22:20
"For once, Roachback gets the facts right"

Only because he wants to build the case for HRC.

Pence IS a tool but that doesn't mean HRC is right.
 
 
0 # Robbee 2016-07-18 19:36
Quoting librarian1984:
"For once, Roachback gets the facts right" Only because he wants to build the case for HRC.

- my? are we snippy tonight? - have we no axe of our own to grind? - do we want to bury the hatchet? somewhere in hill? - having a bad night? lib?
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2016-07-18 22:16
haha

Hi, R.

So bummed about all this violence. Where are our leaders? I felt like this after Katrina too, watching those people sitting on their rooves and no one helping them for days.

All the potential this country has/had and this is what it's come to? Trump and Clinton and police shooting anyone they want, a trillion dollars going toward rebuilding our nuclear force -- and the president we need getting trotted around on a humiliation tour -- actually booed by House DEMOCRATS.

I'm frustrated and angry. And I need to do laundry :-) That always sends me over the edge.

How are you doing?
 
 
0 # Robbee 2016-07-20 11:56
Quoting librarian1984:
haha

Hi, R.

So bummed about all this violence. Where are our leaders? I felt like this after Katrina too, watching those people sitting on their rooves and no one helping them for days.

All the potential this country has/had and this is what it's come to? Trump and Clinton and police shooting anyone they want, a trillion dollars going toward rebuilding our nuclear force -- and the president we need getting trotted around on a humiliation tour -- actually booed by House DEMOCRATS.

I'm frustrated and angry. And I need to do laundry :-) That always sends me over the edge.

How are you doing?

- just lost a one-tooth partial i can't afford to replace? leaving it in a public restroom in a convent? visiting my aunt who just turned 96? of no use to anyone but me? wish i could make this stuff up? how do you think i feel?

misery loves company! thanks for the laugh! - i needed it!

on a serious note - i'm not exactly sad about the violence - cops and america both need an attitude adjustment! - it's sad when it takes violence to open closed minds! - it's sad to believe violence helps stop centuries of violence!

i haven't heard of house dems booing bernie - but note that move to amend's shell game that reverses nothing but citizens united has been endorsed by 13 dems perhaps unready for public funding! only! bernie's revolutionary project - other than that they want to retain the right to beg for private bribes!
 
 
+31 # CL38 2016-07-16 15:05
interesting how you ignore his attitude against women's rights for choice, our lives and opportunities and abortion.
 
 
+15 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 15:48
@CL38: Whom are you addressing? I certainly don't ignore those characteristics ; in fact as far as I'm concerned they're part of what defines Pence as not just a fascist but a genuine JesuNazi.

Apropos my compliment to Roachback, I paid it in spite of RB's hatefulness, of which I am obviously the primary (assigned?) target.

(I am no virgin at this sort of thing; I was a primary target of the Klan too, but I am much older now and much more easily exhausted.)

Nevertheless I wanted it on the record what I despise about Roachturd is the disruptive hatefulness, not the mere presence -- and that I am even willing to give a ThumbsUp when it's factually deserved.
 
 
-20 # jdd 2016-07-16 16:26
Fascist, perhaps. But a Nazi has a mass street movement of thug disrupters, Not so here.
 
 
+19 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 16:59
@jdd: And you imagine the JesuNazis don't have "a mass street movement of thug disreupters (sic)"?

I wonder in what gated community or hermetically sealed environment you dwell.

Obviously you've never been part of Clinic Defense, protecting women's clinics from the JesuNazi harassment that often escalates into assault, sometimes with deadly results.

Here, go educate yourself: click on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

or just Google anti-abortion violence.
 
 
+11 # lights 2016-07-16 20:22
And trump/penze would be the biggest thugs right there - doing it!
 
 
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+5 # Kootenay Coyote 2016-07-16 20:32
Yet.
 
 
+6 # lights 2016-07-16 20:01
...you have a good heart lorenbliss. (thumbs up for rocback) Let's just face it. :=) here's wishing you good health...
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2016-07-16 21:14
Lorenbliss 2016-07-16 15:48
"@CL38: Whom are you addressing?"

It looks like CL was aiming for roc. He made two posts about Pence's evil, without mentioning choice.
 
 
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+7 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 17:05
Either some folks on this website can't read, or Mr. Reich altered his essay in response to criticism.

But when I read it -- long before either you or CL38 posted -- it included the following enumerated points:

"(3) -- (Pence's) position on abortion is so extreme that, as a member of congress, he voted for legislation that would give “personhood” rights to embryos, and defund Planned Parenthood."

"(4) -- He also voted against measures aimed at preventing LGBT discrimination, and he supported federal legislation prohibiting same-sex marriage."

That's why I was perplexed by CL38's comment.

If Mr. Reich altered his text without indicating he had made a major change in content, shame on him.

But if we simply failed to note points (3) and (4), shame on us.

Because I don't know which is true, I have not thumbed either you or CL38, neither up nor down.
 
 
+7 # rocback 2016-07-16 19:43
I saw that as well lorenbliss. I don't fault anyone, including you for failing to mention EVERY problem of Pense and don't think you meant to slight women at all.
 
 
+3 # lights 2016-07-16 19:46
Loren: My mistake. I have deleted the comment. No wonder I was surprised. I think maybe CL38 was just being typically snide towards rocback. And i guess Reich hadn't really worded it in such a way that moved or convinced me that he realizes the extent of danger for women with a Pence/Trump combo. I wish you cared more about that, Loren although I understand where you are coming from.

P.S. Trying to imagine why I got five thumbs up for my comments though?? And I felt a responsibility to delete it. Go figure...now there is a good laugh!
 
 
+4 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 21:49
@lights: The Trump/Pence combo scares the hell out of me -- as if the misogynistic/ho mophobic versions of a couple Klansmen were running.

Yeah, though CIS and hetro, I have LGBTQ relatives, friends and comrades. And even in the involuntary eunuch-hood of old age, I care enough about women and women's rights I participate, as health allows, in Tacoma's Clinic Defense. (In fact several of its online photos are mine; though most of my life's income came from writing and editing, oddly enough I earned more fame [including publication credits that start with Paris Match] from photography, and I volunteer all those skills to progressive causes whenever possible.)

By the way, lights, Tacoma's CD was organized by the Communist Labor Party, the Marxian organization of which I am a member, and it remains mostly a CLP activity.
 
 
+3 # jdd 2016-07-16 16:24
All the usual free trade nonsense and then some but nonetheless he did vote against the Wall Street bailout.
 
 
+7 # tomr 2016-07-16 16:33
So, rocback, you're saying that... Pence is a Republican? Who knew?
 
 
+11 # rocback 2016-07-16 19:46
worse that just a republican. Not all Republicans want a ban on abortion even in cases of rape, incest and health of a mother. Not all Republicans don't believe in global warming. Not all Republicans (in fact very few) dont believe tobacco causes cancer. Not all Republicans want to cut workers wages. Not all Republicans are tea partiers.

Pense is the worst kind of bigot and right wing nut.
 
 
+4 # bckrd11 2016-07-17 13:49
But the problem is the vote in lock step no matter what they feel and want to pass some awful laws and their dream agenda.
 
 
+1 # lights 2016-07-16 20:09
Wow, rocback. You got 55 thumbs up! and I got five thumbs up for a comment I felt a responsibility to delete. :-)
 
 
-1 # rocback 2016-07-17 18:54
I think some of these Trump trojan horses are losing their sight and didn't see my name. Just my name is worth 25 thumbs down on this site. :-)
 
 
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-19 # MidwestTom 2016-07-16 21:04
Indiana has lower unemployment than any of it's neighboring states, and Indiana has lower taxes than three of it's fur neighbors. Indian is the 3rd strongest state financially, a strength that has helped it attract industry, and allowed it to give grants to many smaller towns to rebuild their downtowns. Our nations now more than $20 Trillion in debt, somwonw who understands that is needed.
 
 
+8 # bckrd11 2016-07-17 13:52
The GOP always increase the debt so they can cut social services. That is their method of governing. A tax cut for the wealthy and decimating everything for the people is the only recipe they know. Their only jobs plan is to be at war. They have nothing to offer that is worth a damn.
 
 
+41 # delMonster 2016-07-16 13:06
Trump/Pence - No common Sense!
 
 
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+15 # p4136bl 2016-07-16 13:21
TrumPence a Bag
of Chicken Feed
 
 
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-4 # Vintor 2016-07-16 13:22
Well Donald Trump is doing all he can to help get his friend Hillary elected.
 
 
+37 # tedrey 2016-07-16 13:25
Not worth a trumpence!
 
 
+31 # jpmarat 2016-07-16 13:25
I doubt if ANY of this matters one little bit. Trump has brilliantly wooed the ultra-conservat ives, bought peace at the Convention, a VERY big deal, much to the chagrin of broadcasters, kissed up to Kochs, and found a photogenic, calm, soft spoken running mate to balance the ticket. A stroke of genius. Should give DJ a YUGE jump. Shockingly, most Americans won't view Pence as the far left does. Pence will suffer miserably, deservedly, but now HRC must make an equally smart choice. The boring Sen fro VA is not the answer. THINK out of the Establishment box.
 
 
+1 # Street Level 2016-07-16 13:27
Trump just partnered with another evil guy to scare voters to HRC.
HRC didn't get the support she expected from the Berner's so now Trump makes the worst pick possible so voters will run for protection.
I hope the Clinton's are crapping their pants but I can't help but feeling it was planned this way.
 
 
+10 # Mako 2016-07-16 16:24
Quoting Street Level:
Trump just partnered with another evil guy to scare voters to HRC.
HRC didn't get the support she expected from the Berner's so now Trump makes the worst pick possible so voters will run for protection.
I hope the Clinton's are crapping their pants but I can't help but feeling it was planned this way.


...Can you get anymore conspiratorial here?

Trump picks Pence, a terrible right wing ideologue, yet somehow that's the work of Hillary. You need to get a grip.
 
 
+3 # lights 2016-07-16 16:43
mako - on streetlevel: Or paranoid!?
 
 
+4 # desertprogressive 2016-07-16 19:47
When Trump first entered he race, rumors from some conservative circles, was that he was a Clinton supporter and is working to help Hillary win. I thought that was nonsense, but now there's reason to wonder. It's not really that far-fetched. The easiest way to dismiss inconvenient thought is to label someone a 'conspiracy theorist'.
 
 
+2 # lights 2016-07-16 20:04
Way too over the top conspiracy not to mention WAY TOO RISKY with someone like Donald Trump!
 
 
+9 # Kootenay Coyote 2016-07-16 20:39
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me...."
 
 
+1 # lights 2016-07-16 21:34
Very funny. :-) But perhaps it will give you comfort to know that it is much more likely they will be out to get women!
 
 
0 # librarian1984 2016-07-17 12:31
You mean like rocback has been doing to the women on this site? Like that?
 
 
-1 # rocback 2016-07-18 15:46
I don't discriminate between rightwingnuts or leftwingnuts like you, librarian, whether they are women or men. Hypocrites are hypocrites. I still find it hard to believe you are a woman as vulgar as you are. You certainly aren't a lady.
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-07-16 21:23
Yep. And that "conspiracy theory" got a big shot of credibility in the hacked DNC documents that show HRC and DNC planning how to run a HRC v. Drumpf general election, at least as far back as February, 2015. That is months before anyone had announced they were going to run.

It's indisputable that the Clintons and Trumps have been very close friends for decades. Chelsea and Ivanka say they've been best friends since childhood. That doesn't happen when the parents are ideological enemies.

They both own tax-sheltered "businesses" at the same address in Delaware.

Both admit that Bill Clinton and the Donald had a conversation just before Agent Orange took his escalator ride down to history.
 
 
+3 # Majikman 2016-07-17 05:12
But, but, Radscal, Slick Willie & The Donald were just good ole boys having a chin wag.....same as with ole whaz-her-face Loretta. Conspiracy? Well, clutch mah pearls.
 
 
0 # Radscal 2016-07-17 17:07
LOL. Here's as close as we'll likely get to an admission:

“Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.”

"Clinton sounded curious about Trump’s moves toward a presidential bid and told Trump that he was striking a chord with frustrated conservatives and was a rising force on the right.
One person with knowledge of Clinton’s end of the call said the former president was upbeat and encouraging during the conversation, which occurred as Trump was speaking out about GOP politics and his prescriptions for the nation."

So, Billy (possibly the most brilliant politician of our lifetimes) "encouraged" Drumpf to run, and gave him advice on who to target and how.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html
 
 
-3 # lights 2016-07-17 11:55
Sure Radscal. And that's why Trump's mantra is that she is a "crook?" Of course, they are close buddies and friends and the plan is that using the mantra "crook" is going to help her achieve the Presidency?

REPUBLICAN!
 
 
+2 # Phillybuster 2016-07-17 13:11
You mean you don't call all of your friends "crooked" so and so? Maybe that's why I have no friends? Hmm... Nah!
 
 
+1 # Radscal 2016-07-17 17:14
Do you really not understand the alleged plan?

Drumpf was supposed to draw the basest of the Republican base to get him nominated over all the regular Republicans. And the Republican base has HATED Hillary for decades.

It doesn't matter why they hate her. They do. So do a LOT of independents. Attacking HRC has been a winning tactic for ANY Republican for decades, as you've repeated over and over again.

Meanwhile, he's supposed to scare the pants off of anyone who could possibly vote for any Democrat. And if he scares us bad enough, we might even vote for HRC (other than him, the most disliked, mistrusted candidate in the history of polling).

HRC would likely have lost to any regular Republican. It takes an exceptionally scary and despicable one to motivate enough people to vote for her.

But the somewhat surprising thing is she might lose to him anyway.

We've been warning y'all for going on two years.
 
 
+31 # turtleislander 2016-07-16 14:00
Nixon was once considered unelectable and too far right. He was Mr. Law and Order(which shows just how far to the right the country has moved).
But he got elected because no one could stomach another minute of the LBJ status quo.
This fact of history makes me a little queezy. Pence? Insane. He made Indiana a failed state.
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2016-07-16 21:09
And just like 1968, when Nixon "won," the Democrats seem determined to nominate the weakest, most uninspiring Establishment candidate possible.

There is still a chance that the Dems will nominate Sanders and clean the Republicans' clock. Slim by all measures, but not impossible.
 
 
+2 # Phillybuster 2016-07-17 13:23
Nixon won because he sabotaged peace talks between the U.S. and North Vietnam. But for Nixon, Vietnam might have ended in 1968 or 1969, saving the lives of the majority of U.S. troops killed in the war along with untold numbers of Vietnamese.
 
 
+12 # ddd-rrr 2016-07-16 14:06
Hmmmm.....8^)
How about...:
- DUMP TRUMP'S RUMP, NOW!
- Trump + Pence, that makes NO SENSE!
- Trump+Pence=NON SENSE!
- Trump + Pence = DUMB-SENSE!
- Dump Trump And Dispense With Pence!
- Trump & Pence together? YIKES!!!
- Trump+Pence? Oh, the HORROR of it!!!
Well, maybe not the "greatest" possible...
I do have a Trump graphic image available
for free use, if anyone is interested...;-)
And, I do hope Hillary chooses Elizabeth as
her VP!
--DR
 
 
+4 # MidwestDick 2016-07-16 16:33
How about
TUP PENCE
 
 
+7 # Kootenay Coyote 2016-07-16 20:39
Trumppence not worth Tuppence.
 
 
-4 # lights 2016-07-16 16:44
Yes, Pick Elizabeth Warren Hillary Rodham!

DUMP TRUMP
 
 
+28 # jimmyjames 2016-07-16 14:07
If Bernie Sanders had been the Democratic nominee instead of Hillary Clinton, we would not have had to worry about Mike Pence OR Donal Trump. But with all the baggage Hillary is carrying, we have a lot to worry about!
 
 
-13 # lights 2016-07-16 16:45
Aren't you running out of tissue for all those cry baby tears, jimmyjames?

MOVE ON!
 
 
0 # maverita 2016-07-17 19:12
lights, be patient. for some of us it is a process.
 
 
0 # librarian1984 2016-07-18 16:54
Geez, lights, you're the one who's acting like this is a game.

Why didn't you listen when we told you this would happen? Sen. Sanders beats ALL GOP combinations but you are going to force HRC into the nomination and Trump is going to become president.

All while you're telling people to move on? Really?

This is serious. Why are we risking running Sec. Clinton? Why are we risking a Trump presidency?
 
 
-14 # ericlipps 2016-07-16 17:52
Quoting jimmyjames:
If Bernie Sanders had been the Democratic nominee instead of Hillary Clinton, we would not have had to worry about Mike Pence OR Donal Trump. But with all the baggage Hillary is carrying, we have a lot to worry about!

You're not serious. I hope.

If St. Bernard of Brooklyn had been the nominee, Trump would have red-baited him into the ground. And Bernie running around all over the country saying he's a socialist wouldn't have helped.
 
 
-7 # guomashi 2016-07-16 14:17
Pence is lacking in compassion enough to be as scary as Hillary.
He would be the end of America.
Hillary would be the end of America.
Trump would only be a local catastrophe, but there is no guarantee he would finish his term.
Time to emigrate.
 
 
+2 # ericlipps 2016-07-16 17:57
Oh, grow up. Hillary Clinton won't be the "end of America."

You sound like some far-right cuckoo--you know, the sort who insisted back inn the nineties (and still claim) that Hillary had Vince Foster murdered and that she is an actual witch, spells and all. (And I swear, I'm not making either charge up.)
 
 
+3 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 22:11
@guomashi: Were I able -- that is, had I the money, and were I not so old and sick no country would have me (same reason this country is trying to kill me and everyone like me with cuts to entitlements and social services) -- I would leave the U.S.A. in a New York minute. Not sure where I would go -- Scotland is appealing for ancestral reasons, Russia for geographic, political and far older ancestral reasons (my Celtic genes trace to the Scythians, and the notion of a Motherland warms my Pagan heart) -- but poverty and ill health shackle me to the USian Homeland just as surely as if they were ball and chain.
 
 
+18 # Maybe 2016-07-16 14:49
And this choice was supposed to help Trump get elected? I hope he's waving goodbye to all moderates and independents, as well as all reasonable Republicans. This choice will certainly pull votes from Bernie supporters who don't like Hillary but now see we have no choice but to give her our votes. I'm one of them. I don't want Hillary as President, but she looks like FDR compared to the Republican ticket.
 
 
+11 # tigerlillie 2016-07-16 20:02
Pence single handedly cost Indiana billions with his stupid anti-gay legislation.
 
 
+24 # chaucer2 2016-07-16 14:52
Bill's picadillos should never have been made public...Prior Presidents have had theirs and it was always OFF LIMITS....get the heck out of the bedrooms!!!! As for Trump...And Pence...JOBs??? ? come off of it!!! fewer people working in Indiana than ever!!!Look into the lies...They've learned from history that when the lie is BIG enough...People will belive it!!! Pence's god will bless him, I,m sure...he is a non discriminatory hater. Take your pick: women, blacks, Hispanics, the disabled, the poor, the sick, the downtrodden.... ....BUT HE LOVES EMBRYOES! and his wish is to be like: Reagan..a puppet of his Kitchen Cabinet members....
 
 
+4 # djnova50 2016-07-16 15:42
I won't vote for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. It almost seems like this was planned from the start.

Here you have Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. A lot of people, probably Progressives, did not see either candidate as a good candidate for President. Some saw Trump as more moderate than Hillary, especially with foreign affairs.

Mike Pence is an ultra-conservat ive, who most Bernie Sanders supporters do not want in the White House as 2nd to the President. So, what does that mean? Even more people will vote for Hillary because of Mike Pence?

Whether Donald gets elected or Hillary gets elected, they will do it without my vote. If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I will vote for him because he could easily defeat Donald Trump in the general election. If he is not the nominee, then I will vote my conscience. My conscience will not allow my to vote for either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump.
 
 
0 # Robbee 2016-07-18 19:55
Quoting MidwestDick:
How about
TUP PENCE

- FEED THE RICH - TRUMPENCE A BAGQuoting djnova50:
I won't vote for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. It almost seems like this was planned from the start.

Here you have Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. A lot of people, probably Progressives, did not see either candidate as a good candidate for President. Some saw Trump as more moderate than Hillary, especially with foreign affairs.

Mike Pence is an ultra-conservative, who most Bernie Sanders supporters do not want in the White House as 2nd to the President. So, what does that mean? Even more people will vote for Hillary because of Mike Pence?

Whether Donald gets elected or Hillary gets elected, they will do it without my vote. If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I will vote for him because he could easily defeat Donald Trump in the general election. If he is not the nominee, then I will vote my conscience. My conscience will not allow my to vote for either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump.

- KISS RUMP!
 
 
+8 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 16:02
Trump's choice of running mates -- so reminiscent of how Sen. John McClain permanently discredited himself by choosing Sarah Palin as his own vice-presidenti al candidate -- is yet more conclusive evidence we are tyrannized by One Party of Two Names.

Either the One Percent is ensuring the election of Hillary (and thus ensuring World War III and the thermonuclear extinction of our entire species), or the notion Hillary paid Trump to run as the assault weapon to herd us all into Hillary's camp is more than paranoid speculation.

I suspect it's the former -- the One Party of Two Names again manipulatively dictating the outcome of a presidential election -- but either hypothesis now seems equally probable.

However, given the ever-more-obvio us reality of Moron Nation, the ploy may indeed backfire.
 
 
+7 # lorenbliss 2016-07-16 17:22
Let us ask ourselves: why would the One Percenters want to ensure World War III?

Because -- precisely as their now-obviously permanent obstruction of effective climate-change amelioration proves beyond a scintilla of doubt -- they believe our species and our planet are already doomed.

Never mind it is obvious socialism could yet save us -- that it is in fact the only economic system capable of doing so.

It is equally obvious the One Percenters themselves -- who are most assuredly not stupid -- recognize socialism as our species' only possible mechanism of survival.

But fanatical capitalists (and therefore moral imbeciles) that they are, they are also suicidally committed to the doctrine of "better dead than Red."

They fear -- quite reasonably -- that after a socialist revolution, they would be the very first criminals to be arrested, tried and probably executed for their innumerable crimes against humanity.

Hence, like doomed serial killers making a suicidal last stand against certain arrest and execution, they want to ensure all the rest of us die with them.

Indeed, per Occam's Razor, this hypothesis explains all the situation's knowns and unknowns, hence is the only rational explanation for the USian Empire's terrifying renewal of thermonuclear war-mongering.
 
 
+6 # economagic 2016-07-16 19:29
The trolls are out in force this evening. No percentage in trying to teach a pig to sing, and I have avoided that kind of juvenile name calling for as long as I can. I'm going to bed.
 
 
+7 # jpmarat 2016-07-16 17:00
Pence has now broadcast what we knew all along about 99% of today's self proclaimed "conservative" politicians. They have ZERO values, other than self aggrandizement. Mikey doesn't LIKE forced pregnancies, and doesn't HATE abortions. He's a rank opportunist, like DJ. A chameleon. But he will be jumping thru hoops to square all the contradictory statements from him and The Donald. And Donald will make him miserable, humiliate him. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
 
 
+13 # joannys 2016-07-16 18:04
As a Hoosier, so glad to be done with Mike Pence!
 
 
+11 # Texas Aggie 2016-07-16 19:59
He was gone anyhow, and now you've inflicted him on the rest of us. Otherwise he wouldn't have accepted the VP nomination.

Are you trying to get even with us for inflicting you with the Shrub, Louis Gohmert, and the cast of thousands of kooks and nuts that we've been foisting on the US over the last decade or two?
 
 
+4 # tigerlillie 2016-07-16 19:59
Me too!
 
 
+10 # tigerlillie 2016-07-16 19:59
I suspect that the Koch brother's are too smart to fund Trump' s campaign just because he picked one of their flunkies to run for VP with him. They should know first hand what a dumbass he is.

The really good thing about Pence running with Trump is that maybe Indiana will finally be rid of him.
 
 
+8 # economagic 2016-07-16 20:48
That actually makes sense. The Koch brothers have some huge blind spots, like all libertarians and free-marketeers (Oooh, wouldn't that be a great title for a parody: "The Free Marketeers"?), but they are not stupid, so likely extremely circumspect in their dealings with T-Rump.
 
 
+2 # Radscal 2016-07-17 00:16
Charles Koch already said he prefers HRC to Drumpf.

She's got some interesting supporters.

Robert Kagan, co-founder of the Neo-Con PNAC.

Eliot Cohen, a former Bush administration official who has been called “the most influential neocon in academe,”

Richard Perle, co-writer of the NeoCon founding document.

Henry Kissinger (possibly the greatest mass-murderer since WW II), with whom the Clintons vacation over the Holidays, and whom she looks to for "wise counsel" on foreign policy.
 
 
+7 # onefam 2016-07-16 22:36
My bumper sticker:

"Wouldn't give [here two sketched portraits of pence] for [here a sketched portrait of Trump].
 
 
+1 # torch and pitchfork 2016-07-18 12:01
Pence on the ticket is the far right taking out insurance on being able to control Trump. The problems that the next president will be facing are too complex for an "Apprentice" President.
 

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