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Sanders writes: "The Democratic Party has a choice. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change. Or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy."

Sen. Bernie Sanders. (photo: BernieSanders.com)
Sen. Bernie Sanders. (photo: BernieSanders.com)


Democratic Leadership Needs to Understand That the Political World Is Changing

By Bernie Sanders, Reader Supported News

18 May 16

 

.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday issued the following statement:

“It is imperative that the Democratic leadership, both nationally and in the states, understand that the political world is changing and that millions of Americans are outraged at establishment politics and establishment economics. The people of this country want a government which represents all of us, not just the 1 percent, super PACs and wealthy campaign contributors.

“The Democratic Party has a choice. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change – people who are willing to take on Wall Street, corporate greed and a fossil fuel industry which is destroying this planet. Or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy.

“Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example, claim that the Sanders campaign has a ‘penchant for violence.’ That is nonsense. Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence. Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. But, when we speak of violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign, shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked.

“If the Democratic Party is to be successful in November, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned. I am happy to say that has been the case at state conventions in Maine, Alaska, Colorado and Hawaii where good discussions were held and democratic decisions were reached. Unfortunately, that was not the case at the Nevada convention. At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place. Among other things:

  • The chair of the convention announced that the convention rules passed on voice vote, when the vote was a clear no-vote. At the very least, the Chair should have allowed for a headcount.

  • The chair allowed its Credentials Committee to en mass rule that 64 delegates were ineligible without offering an opportunity for 58 of them to be heard. That decision enabled the Clinton campaign to end up with a 30-vote majority.

  • The chair refused to acknowledge any motions made from the floor or allow votes on them.

  • The chair refused to accept any petitions for amendments to the rules that were properly submitted.

“These are on top of failures at the precinct and county conventions including trying to depose and then threaten with arrest the Clark County convention credentials chair because she was operating too fairly.”

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+109 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-18 14:24
It is sad to see that the Democratic leadership are behaving no better than Republicans.
(And, yes, that is a deep insult)
These entrenched establishment insiders are desperately clinging to their long held power at the peril of the destruction of their political party.
It is long past time for a new direction to be charted, one that represents the majority of Americans.

Bernie PLEASE: demand an FBI investigation of the primary elections.
There have been many reports of results being manipulated!
If that fact is exposed before the convention I believe that the DNC will have no choice but to give the nomination to Bernie.
Hillary WILL lose to Trump!
 
 
+109 # Radscal 2016-05-18 18:06
This article was actually the statement that the Sanders campaign issued in response to the DNC calling on him to denounce his supporters.

The NV DNC Chair stole 64 of Sanders' delegates' certification and then apparently falsely claimed his supporters threatened her life, threw chairs at her, etc.

These false charges are cut from the same cloth as the lies by DWS that Sanders people had breached the DNC database to steal information.

I've come to believe that those breaches were done by the DNC specifically to copy contact data from Sanders supporters, and that data was used to scrub the voter rolls in State after State.

In typically Karl Rovian style, the lying cheats at HRC are accusing the famously honest Sanders and his team of being lying cheats.
 
 
-25 # rocback 2016-05-19 12:04
Well you can see directly below (or maybe it will show up directly above), the thought police here removed my first comment so I will not be surprised to see this one removed also so I will say quickly, the claims of unfairness used to justify the thuggery in Nevada by the Sanders manager Weaver was fully debunked by Politico and I Quote: "False"

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
 
 
-26 # rocback 2016-05-19 12:05
"Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded"
 
 
+1 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-05-21 01:26
I don't believe Primaries are covered by Federal law
 
 
+3 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-05-21 01:27
As is every single one of your Hillary troll posts
 
 
# Guest 2016-05-18 21:16
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+65 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 22:11
If RSN is so silly why do I see your name pasted everywhere? Why even have an ID? I don't post on Trump or Hillary sites personally. In fact I cancelled my subscription to Daily KOS since they endorse Hillary and vis a vis, firebombing innocent Gazan children...
 
 
+46 # Merlin 2016-05-18 23:23
rocback 2016-05-18 21:16

sHillary states:
"We came, we saw, he died!"
AND THEN....
SHE LAUGHED!

This is the reality of sHillary, rocback. This is not some made up lie. This came up on another thread the other day regarding another poster’s view of it. You were not asked for your opinion or position on it, yet you volunteered your belief system to the world. Speaking of Gaddafi here is what you said.

rocback 2016-05-16 15:52
“Just like he laughed when he blew up over 200 innocent people in the Lockerbie bombing. Sorry but I think justice was done.”

Here is a definition for you, rocback.

sadism
noun
the tendency to derive pleasure, esp. sexual gratification, from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others.
• (in general use) deliberate cruelty.

Shillary Clinton shows herself to be a sadist right there on video, laughing at another person’s suffering and pain. This is the candidate you are backing, pushing and defending. Mrs. “Commander in Sadism.” That has a nice ring to it for you, does it? No? Then why did you say, “Sorry but I think justice was done.”

Sadism is your definition of justice? You claim in your profile to be a lawyer. What kind of lawyer subscribes to sadism as punishment? What kind of PERSON subscribes to it?

Continued below:
 
 
# Guest 2016-05-18 23:24
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+2 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-05-21 01:28
Politifact is Annenberg
 
 
+24 # jsluka 2016-05-18 23:31
Sad little troll - accuses Grandlakeguy of "sitting and waiting in front of his computer," as he sits alone in his empty house (or basement of his mother's house), in his Y-fronts, beer in hand, gut hanging over belt, three day growth of beard on his face (imagine a picture of Homer Simpson). LOL!
 
 
+32 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-19 00:15
Wow, it seriously bothers rocback that I post comments that the readers of RSN actually agree with.
He must be suffering from a serious inferiority complex or else my posts are getting to him and he is starting to understand that politics as usual and the career of his idol Queen Hillary are coming to an end.
 
 
-21 # rocback 2016-05-19 12:08
just trying to help you get a real life rather than sit around at your computer waiting to be the first one to post a hate Hillary post. but no worry, they deleted it and will probably delete this one.
 
 
+10 # karenvista 2016-05-20 22:17
Quoting rocback:
the claims of unfairness used to justify the thuggery in Nevada by the Sanders manager Weaver was fully debunked by Politico and I Quote: "False"

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/


That Politifact article is not factual. They relied on Jon Ralston's reporting of "reports from attendees" after he had left the convention. It took him quite some time to finally admit that he wasn't even present at the time many of the events he said he witnessed occurred (quite differently from what he reported.)

The media, who are all in the bag for Hillary, created a ridiculous "Pork Chop Hill" story about the Bernie supporters justified outrage about the biased behavior of party hacks.

It is not possible, no matter what Politifact says, that 64 Bernie Democratic delegates who were already vetted at two previous Democratic Party caucuses were NOT registered Democrats. Unless, of course, their voter registrations had been switched by the DNC as has happened in multiple states.

I agree with Radscal that Bernie supporters IDs were stolen by the DNC. That's the only logical way that Bernie supporters across the country could continue to have their registrations switched. In many cases they were prevented from voting but this was even worse.

How about the 4,000 Bernie votes accidently lost in Kentucky, giving Hillary the win? Another coincidence?
 
 
+7 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-05-21 01:29
Let me be the first to say that I've been n activist for 45 years, and I've never DESPISED anyone to the degree I do Hillary.
 
 
+21 # CTPatriot 2016-05-19 00:29
What, are you jealous that Grandlakeguy beat you to the first post? Does David Brock pay you more if you get there first?
 
 
+12 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-19 10:12
If anyone is in fact paying rocback for his posts they are certainly NOT getting their money's worth!
 
 
+3 # karenvista 2016-05-20 22:25
Quoting grandlakeguy:
If anyone is in fact paying rocback for his posts they are certainly NOT getting their money's worth!


rocback and all the new Hillary trolls here get paid by David Brock's "Corrupt the Record" based on the number of clicks they get. It doesn't matter if they are up or downvotes. They are just paid to introduce uncertainty (not working) and disrupt pro-Bernie discussions.

Let's just stop responding to them and they will have to go back to their legitimate and respectable jobs at Mc Donalds.
 
 
0 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-05-21 01:30
Maybe they're paying him with turds
 
 
+20 # djnova50 2016-05-19 08:06
rockback, it seems that you are the one that is prolifically trashing Bernie supporters. If RSN presents an article that is about Bernie, I see your name and your comments criticizing Bernie supporters.

Tell me why do you like Hillary so much.
 
 
-21 # rocback 2016-05-19 08:31
LMAO. Some much vitrol! Does this mean I won't be invited to your garden party. :-)
 
 
-18 # rocback 2016-05-19 11:42
Besides, you will be happy to notice that they deleted my dissenting post. So much for free speech on this "progressive" site.
 
 
+13 # lfeuille 2016-05-19 16:18
Posts only get deleted for VERY VERY offensive language. It must have been a doozy. Most of your drivel makes it though, unfortunately.
 
 
+2 # rxfxworld 2016-05-21 08:43
If abusive, as you usually are, you deserve deletion. Also you have never answered my questions: 1) Name a significant piece of legislation from HRC in 8 years of Senate. 2) Name a positive diplomatic achievement in four years Sec of State. Go ahead please. Enlighten us.
 
 
+7 # lfeuille 2016-05-19 16:19
You did not answer djnova's question.
 
 
+5 # dbrize 2016-05-19 17:23
Quoting rocback:
LMAO. Some much vitrol! Does this mean I won't be invited to your garden party. :-)


Oh what the hell counselor, you can come so long as you don't drink too much "vitrol".
 
 
+2 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-05-21 01:30
You might be invited to stop wasting oxygen
 
 
+18 # jsluka 2016-05-18 23:29
I totally agree with you Grandlakeguy, except that the statistical likelihood is strongly that Hillary will beat Trump. I for one am not convinced that would necessarily be a good thing. I won't vote for Hillary or Trump.
 
 
+37 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-18 23:57
Jsluka, today the latest poll came out showing that 61% of voters have a negative view of Hillary, exceeding that of Trump's negatives for the first time.
When Trump starts attacking her using her actual record as ammo she will go down in flames.
 
 
+16 # lfeuille 2016-05-19 16:23
I used to think that, but it will come down to the swing states as always and the recent polls in swing states look very bad for Hillary. The smart thing for Democrats to do would be to nominate Bernie, but the party establishment doesn't appear to be very smart.
 
 
+87 # Buddha 2016-05-18 14:27
The Establishment DNC has made a calculation:
that Progressives and minorities will fall into line behind HRC and "New Democrat" candidates because we always have, that Tribal affiliation and fear of that lunatic Trump will again rally us all to swallow our bile and vote for a flawed corporate-money corrupted candidate who doesn't support true Progressivism and just shills for the 1% Donor Class. They feel that they can continue to keep the "Open for Business" sign on for the Donor Class, and that those of us totally disgusted with such Oligarchic corruption of the party that is supposed to back the interests of the working class will show up and vote for them because we have no other options available to us. And this calculus will continue, cycle after cycle, right up until it doesn't anymore. And when it fails, it will fail spectacularly. Someday, Progressives and minorities will make it clear that we have had enough of a Democratic Party that no longer truly fights for our values, and that if they are ever going to be electorally relevant, they are going to have to fear losing our votes more than the currently fear losing Oligarchic money.
 
 
+75 # Vivelevin 2016-05-18 15:20
May it fail this election! Don't the DNC and their Establishment Democrats see the light at the end of the tunnel? It's a freight train of Progressives; it's not stopping this election. We are demanding and creating a new political climate, one which will work for the people and the planet. If they can't see it, or get out of the way, they will be run over.
 
 
+72 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-18 15:38
It WILL fail this election if the Democratic party is so brainless and blind as to not recognize the political revolution that is now well underway.
Status quo-business as usual will no longer fly!
 
 
+35 # Texas Aggie 2016-05-19 06:31
They didn't recognize it with the midterm elections. Why should they recognize it now?

How do you think a neoliberal creep like Rahm Emanuel ever got into a position of authority in the Democratic Party? His electoral strategies were a total failure, but they didn't get the message then. They aren't ever going to get the message. As Upton Sinclair said, "It's difficult for a person to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not understanding it."
 
 
+21 # Buddha 2016-05-19 08:43
Or Debbie Wasserman-Schul tz. How did that 2014 midterm pushing Center-Right BlueDogs like Lundergen-Grime s work out for the Dems, huh? That Sinclair quote hits this spot on. Both parties are totally beholden to their Donor Classes, and can therefore not see what they don't want to see. Just as the GOP ignored its own post-2012 post-mortem that they need to extend their messaging beyond angry white men to include women, Hispanics, and African-America ns, the DNC will similarly ignore their own post-mortem that they have to offer a viable alternative to the GOP and have to actually serve the needs of their voters instead of the demands of their donors.
 
 
+4 # karenvista 2016-05-20 23:03
Buddha-Don't forget that Lundergen-Grime s is now the Secretary of State for Kentucky and was the one who told CNN that Hillary had won Kentucky when Jefferson and Fayette counties still hadn't reported their votes. She continued to gloat over Hillary's "win" and Bernie's "loss" though no one can prove where those 4-5,000 extra votes came from. (Depending on the various media reports and totals.)

Is that another Hillary coincidence that they lost the 4,000 Bernie votes then and declared Hillary the winner?

Such reports are coming in from everywhere. Here are screen shots and reports everybody should watch:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/votes-disappear-kentucky-primary-reassigned-fraud-what-happened-bernie-sanders-roque-de-la-fuente/
 
 
+64 # Radscal 2016-05-18 18:09
HRC and the DNC have gotten so ugly in their treatment of Sanders and his supporters that I think they've given up trying to convince us to vote for her.

That's why she's courting Republicans and their donors.

It could well be that they expect to be better at rigging the general election than the Republicans, and so it doesn't matter who votes or whom they vote for.
 
 
+24 # lorenbliss 2016-05-18 23:43
I posted this earlier on another RSN thread and am posting it here again merely because I find it so very relevant:

We should all read "An Exhausted Democracy: Donald Trump and the New American Nationalism," an essay by the Washington D.C. bureau chief of "der Spiegel":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/essay-donald-trump-and-the-new-american-nationalism-a-1092548.html#ref=nl-international

This German view is not only historically relevant for the obvious reasons but is refreshing in its lack of the bumper-sticker mindlessness that so often characterize USian mainstream media.
 
 
+17 # DiamondDowGirl 2016-05-19 08:31
lorenbliss Great article in Der Spiegel Online. TY for sharing. It is great to read what other thoughtful writers outside of the US have to say about the 2016 US election and about Trump in particular. The energy behind this article is not dramatic the way many US media pieces are. This kind of article helps us to more clearly see the propaganda, bias and even hysterics in the US media. #feelingthebern
 
 
+18 # Radscal 2016-05-19 12:27
Thanks Loren. It's great to read a different (and German) perspective on the Drumpf phenomena. As the author states, Drumpf is not himself a fascist, but his popularity with a significant plurality of Republican voters indicates their willingness to embrace fascism.

Somehow we have to find ways to help those who are eating up the demagogue's scapegoating to identify who their real enemies are (the 0.01%) so they will focus their righteous anger at the right targets.
 
 
+10 # lorenbliss 2016-05-19 14:44
@Radscal, who most insightfully wrote:

"Somehow we (must) help (the 99 Percent) identify their real enemies..."

This is why I focus so relentlessly on the evil -- particularly the dissemination of Big Lies against unions and "godless socialism" -- perpetrated by the USian Christians on behalf their One Percent masters.

Since I began paying close attention to politics (in 1950 at age 10), in every election in which unions or "socialism" have been issues, even the USian mainline churches (with a few very notable exceptions like the Unitarians) participate in the anti-socialist, anti-union fear-mongering and demagoguery.

Moreover, with 62 percent of the population believing the Bible is "the (indisputable) word of god." we live in a definitively fundamentalist nation -- one that, starting with the addition of "under god" to the Pledge of Allegiance -- has been edging ever closer to de jure theocracy ever since.

How this reinforces the shackles on the 99 Percent is shown by the United Auto Workers debacle at Chattanooga Volkswagen. I am reliably told what truly beat UAW was a bible-thumping campaign that damned unions as "the tools of the Devil."

Thus in order to teach the 99 Percent to recognize their true enemies -- that is, to educate our socioeconomic sisters and brothers in the truth of class struggle -- we first have to break the stranglehold Christianity has on their minds.

Not an easy task...but vital if we are to save our species and our world.
 
 
+11 # lorenbliss 2016-05-19 15:30
Relevant links on USian fundamentalism:

http://www.pewforum.org/2008/06/01/u-s-religious-landscape-survey-religious-beliefs-and-practices/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2013/12/16/no-difference-in-religious-fundamentalism-between-american-muslims-and-christians/

Admittedly my views are influenced by my years in the South, a de facto theocracy where public school students are still routinely forced to attend fundamentalist "revivals" on school time.

Nor was the part of Michigan in which I sometimes dwelt much better (though at least the Christian Reformed tentacles did not often reach into the public schools).

However my bottom-line comment on Christianity -- so-called mainline churches included (again with the Unitarians notably excepted) -- reflects the White Christian role in the persecution of African-America ns and other peoples of color. Nothing illustrates the associated hypocrisy better than the polite, mainline-church euphemism for the Klan used throughout the South and the southern Middle West: "the Saturday Night Men's Bible Study Class."

Thus Christianity is exposed as the prime buttress of capitalism.

Nevertheless -- because our species' survival is at stake --we must continue the struggle.

To quote an anthem increasingly popular amongst millenials:

"the night is long
and the path is dark
look to the sky
the dawn will come..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2D2dQg7VBs
 
 
+12 # Radscal 2016-05-19 17:46
I was raised in a Christian world in which the teachings of Loving One's Neighbor and Caring for the Ill, the Poor and the Imprisoned were fundamental values.

The transformation of Christianity into the right-wing, hateful, militaristic religion of the "Moral Majority" was startling.

This is not to say that Christianity doesn't have a LONG history of patriarchal authoritarianis m and exploitation, but this rebirth of its most vile aspects strikes me as a deliberate and carefully constructed tool. One thing that hit me hard was seeing the Protestants - who'd long hated Catholics - joining together over abortion.

A modern version of "Liberation Theology," and even a Green Christianity seem to be rising up in the background.

Though I've been god-free for about 1/2 century, I think it useful to reach believers on those earlier Christian values.
 
 
+4 # newell 2016-05-21 08:45
Seems to me that people confuse Jesus with a supernatural god that will land them in heaven, while fowling this nest behind them. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath. Atheists and the religious both need Jesus, the man, just as we need Mandela, Gandhi, Mohammad, King, Buddha and unvoiced women. We all need these moral leaders to understand what is possible, attainable--as gods are not.
 
 
+40 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 22:25
With the illegal return of the war refugees to Honduras after Hillary and john Kerry promoted the criminal coup there, many Latino children were murdered. There were no hearings or lawyers at all. It was criminal defoulment as defined by the United Nations High Council on refugees.

As much as they dislike Trump. Hillary is way ahead so far in actual body count, a point we know Trump campaigners will be hammering home if its Hillary they end up facing.....We know the Latinos don't want Trump. But like any true person looking for progress they will be abhorred by the idea of a Hillary who deported record numbers of refugees to a war zone that were murdered in the process, and instead decide to sit it out. In contrast if it is Bernie, I predict record turnout and an easy dismantling of Trump.
 
 
+11 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-19 14:11
Which is why I strongly believe that if Bernie is denied the nomination by the stupid and corrupt DNC that he would easily win as a third party candidate.
The Green Party would do well to anoint him as their Presidential nominee now.
That would make the Dems think about what is about to happen to their party!
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2016-05-20 23:19
Quoting grandlakeguy:
Which is why I strongly believe that if Bernie is denied the nomination by the stupid and corrupt DNC that he would easily win as a third party candidate.
The Green Party would do well to anoint him as their Presidential nominee now.
That would make the Dems think about what is about to happen to their party!


Unfortunately they are only on the ballot in 20 states and their candidate won't be allowed in the Presidential debates because the League of Women voter gave up and the two parties now run them.

Bernie has to get the nomination. I know betting on the good sense of the DNC is probably hopeless but do they really want to lose?
 
 
+2 # banichi 2016-05-21 16:24
I am afraid that the DNC, DWS, Hillary, hell, the whole Democratic establishment would rather ride the horse of belief in their power and control, pushing the 'lesser of two evils' with confidence that this will con people into voting inside their bubble, even if it means losing, yes. It is the paradigm they live within.

Anyone who has done personal work on themselves knows that control is an illusion, but when it is bound up with successfully making money and a belief in 'the masses are too dumb to do anything but what we tell them to do' then it becomes a blindness by intention.

Then, the only response that can break through this atrocity is to walk away and let the edifice crumble. This is happening to both parties right in front of us. I think this is going to be painful, but so is birth.
 
 
+35 # CL38 2016-05-18 23:46
And the corruption of the Clinton campaign and completely biased Debbie Schultz continues.

Not this time, DNC. Get ready for what I hope will finally be a contested convention -- we are not falling in line behind a Democratic Party that is rigging the election for a slick 1% Hillary Clinton.

FDR would be appalled to see how his party leads the country down the path toward approaching-fas cism 80 years later.

DISGUSTING.
 
 
+30 # Texas Aggie 2016-05-19 06:35
As Bernie said, his supporters are not sheep who will do what he orders us to do. If Hillary wants our support, she is going to have to earn it herself.

The message doesn't seem to have gotten through. The DNC still has this idea that people should do what they're told to do and not object. This is an attitude that characterizes the right wing, which strongly suggests just where the DNC is sitting right now.
 
 
+14 # 666 2016-05-19 07:46
Let's hope this is a tipping point, and not a one-time tantrum, that leads to the death of both political parties. It's long overdue. And it should mean a more democratic election process for all.
Trump may be (is) a fascist, but the second his ads include clips of shillary promising to put slick willy in charge of the economy, she's going lose a lot more support. Slick willy is largely responsible for the mess we're in bcz he drove the Democrats hard right into gop territory as the gop shifted further to the extreme right. I won't ever vote for trump bit I'll be damned in hell if I support a Clinton 3 regime. But go ahead, elect HRC. Just hurry up and crash the damn system so we can create something new. This one's beyond repair, even if some of you feel otherwise... Sadly I feel this one is going to end up in the electoral college who will put in a gop ringer. So one way or another its back to the status quo.
 
 
+41 # indian weaver 2016-05-18 15:31
Don't vote for Hillary, period. At least Trump is anti-establishm ent (and a maniac, but at least he's not yet the genocidal maniac that are Obama and Hillary), in much the same way as are Ron and Rand Paul. All 3 of these men are "cross over" candidates in many respects, promoting policies of both GOP and Democrat, and not supporting some of each party's policies. Hillary is pro-war. Bernie is not. Bernie has been on the front lines objecting to the increasingly fascist regime since the Viet Nam War. Hillary? She supported Goldwater, for chrissakes. Her husband wiped out employment in American with his support of the Free Trade Agreements. On and on, the crimes of the Clintons are innumerable. Their positives? I'm trying to recall one.
 
 
+28 # RicKelis 2016-05-18 15:39
Yes, "the political world is changing" - it's the Political Revolution that Bernie has been talking about all along.

Some thoughts about that:
A revolution is basically a turning action: turning in, turning out, turning around, turning point. It need not be violent. In fact, the less that force is applied, the less resistance that would be encountered.

The political revolution going on right now is being staged across all the dimensions adopted by the military for their strategies: land, sea, air, space and cyberspace - the Information dimension of the Internet.

Digital data in bits and bytes of electromagnetic energy are a minimal application of force.

This process is underway now - the Information Revolution.

Whatever happens in the presidential leadup to the election, the prediction markets predict a Democratic victory: Democratic president~70-30 ; Dem Senate~60-40 and House still in Repub hands@88% but possibly bare majority [218-230]

I feel that the Democratic Party should be re-formed -- so as to avoid the fate that will befall the Republican Party, described as the "death of the party" by folks like Robert Reich.
We should work toward achieving an organic reorganization, a re-establishmen t of the Dems as a democratic republican party - a la Jefferson/Madis on - based on fundamental ideals as espoused in the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble of the Constitution.
 
 
-86 # christine craft 2016-05-18 21:59
Robert Reich is a sanders toady, who would not be known by anyone outside of academia, if it weren't for Bill and Hillary Clinton. That said, when this is all over, Reich will end up taking a big salary as the CFO(use your google) of he Sanders non-profit foundation pimping endless revolution and paying himself and the grifter wife....big salaries in perpetuity. It'll be a lesson in the marxist redistribution of wealth which Sanders preaches. It'll take ahwile, because they are so educationally deprives, but the berniebots will eventually figure out that they are the ones whose wealth is being redistributed. First,there will be bloodshed in Philly, which Sanders wants desperately. It'll catapault him into the modern iconographic version of "revolutionary" fame, transcending the Chicago 7 and Tom Hayden. the motto will be "eat the rich, just not me"
 
 
+30 # NAVYVET 2016-05-18 22:14
Hey, I have a crystal ball for sale, when you decide to ditch the cracked one you use.
 
 
+28 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 22:31
Have another round. Just remember not to drink and drive.
 
 
+29 # Jim Rocket 2016-05-18 23:46
Wow, you're almost a tea partier except you seem to be able to spell...mostly. Supporters like you are all the proof anyone needs that Hillary is a Republican for all intents and purposes. "Tinfoil hatters for Hillary".
 
 
+30 # CL38 2016-05-19 00:20
Wow. You.are.quite.a.piece.of.work.shilling.for.Clinton.

Where have YOU been? There's been a complete redistribution of wealth for 40 years--up to the 1%.

U are a hired gun for H, here to trash people who genuinely care about our future and country. You post the same garbage in support of the least liked, least respected candidate who is currently under not one, but TWO, FBI (NOT REPUBLICAN) investigations.

Congratulations on supporting a clearly corrupt, dishonest, 1% entitled female who's stealing primaries all across the country to compensate for being unable to win an election, fair and square. Choosing to support THAT-- says all we need to know about who YOU are.
 
 
+17 # Majikman 2016-05-19 07:58
Hey christine, botcrack must have the day off and you've been drafted to fill in. I shall treat you the same way...red thumb without reading your repetitive, vitriolic garbage
 
 
+13 # Helga Fellay 2016-05-19 09:13
cc It's not clear if you are under the influence of some substance, or if you are always that delusional and living on some other planet, not this one. You need some help. I hope you get it.
 
 
+8 # Billsy 2016-05-19 18:52
That's quite a post christine craft. Let's see... "Robert Reich is a sanders toady". Really? Name calling, ad-hominem attack in your 1st sentence? Are you in the 3rd grade?

Then there's...
"It'll take ahwile, because they are so educationally deprives".

Misspelling and lack of subject/verb agreement here. Looks like you haven't yet passed the 3rd grade.
 
 
-49 # christine craft 2016-05-18 22:01
in other words, a load of Dingoes' kidneys
 
 
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+19 # librarian1984 2016-05-19 06:40
What, this one was SO intensely stupid you had to post it twice? Just to get all the stupid in.

Toady Craft,
Little bit daft,
Picture shows a smile,
but words are rife with bile.

buzz off, you pusillanimous rat in human clothing. You flea-laden carrier of disease.
 
 
+8 # Billy Bob 2016-05-19 18:05
"…Just to get all the stupid in"

!!!!!!

Best comment EVER!

Thanks!
 
 
+47 # tharpa 2016-05-18 16:32
I distrust Hillary because I've watched the Clintons lie, cheat and fail ever since the abortive HillaryCare Fiasco; and, I distrust Trump because he appears to be grossly irrational and full of hate.
But I WILL NOT vote for Hillary just because I fear Trump more.
No I'm gonna choose Bernie or Bust if it comes down to it, whether through the GreenParty, an Independent Party, a Write-in or whatever.... preferably through a Reformed-Democr atic-Party ( RDP ) Ticket;
Vinceremos!

NO MO CLINTO.
 
 
-58 # christine craft 2016-05-18 21:54
I know "due diligence" is a difficult concept for you. But if Hillary Clinton had not taken the first bold steps to hold the health insurance industry in check, the eventual ACA would not have been possible. Such things are complicated, difficult, and require brains and patience as both Hillary and Barack Obama well know...Now I want you to be sure not to research what happens when you write-in a candidate on a presidential ballot... You haven't figured that out yet. vinceremos , my ass
 
 
+41 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 22:35
You mean the act that made the Healthnet CEO the highest paid man in the country 6 years straight? Then he sold the company and it merged with another mega giant for even more? We didn't vote Obama in for corporate enrichment and the fat they take that drives rates up so its beyond 8.05% of our gross income. We want SINGLE PAYER and a fair system. Not a corporate TOAD system that favors overt racist elites that practice laissez-faire deregulated Trotskyite fake capitalism that threatens free markets everywhere it touches. NO.
 
 
+25 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 23:17
he might run on the Green ticket with Jill Stein if he loses to Hillary. With the war chest and youth vote he has it could mean victory. They say he gets most independents, half the Dems and even some of the Republicans. I guess you haven't read that analysis yet. maybe you aren't as cutting edge as you think. With the war chest he has, that people gave to counter corporate greed money, at an average of $27 each and over 7 million individual donations, he has the money to actually win. Trump will not be able to attack him like he will destroy Hillary primarily on Iraq and Honduras although the weapons available are countless she has screwed up so much for the American people. Everyone gets to vote for whoever they want in a general. Anyone can choose the Bernie/Jill Stein ticket and they will. The primary is far from lost however. Most likely he wins the convention and is nominated Dem before it gets to that stage. Its looking very possible he will be the next President regardless.
 
 
+18 # jsluka 2016-05-18 23:37
I don't know about your ass, but its clear you are one.
 
 
+17 # djnova50 2016-05-19 08:29
Christine, it is the insurance industry which benefited the most from the ACA.
 
 
+13 # Helga Fellay 2016-05-19 09:19
Regarding "writing in Sanders." I am not certain about it, but there is a chance that this might have only symbolic meaning, just to send the crooked DNC a message (which they won't get, because the DNC seems to be incapable of learning anything). In order not to waste your vote, I think it best to vote for the Green Party's Jill Stein. That would not only send the DNC a message, it would actually have positive results. If enough Sanders supporters will do that (and I believe a high percentage of them will), that would turn the Green Party into a viable party they won't be able to keep out of the political process any longer. Then, at least 4 years from now, we really will have a choice between a recognized third party, the pro-people, pro-peace Progressive Party, vs. the two almost identical establishment neocon/neoliber al corporatist war parties, D and R. We will have real choice, for the first time. We don't have that choice right now.
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-05-19 16:40
That is just as futile an effort and has no chance of sending any kind of message to the DNC. A vote for Green will just be ignored as irrelevant. I'm writing in Bernie.
 
 
+9 # dsepeczi 2016-05-19 12:49
Quoting christine craft:
I know "due diligence" is a difficult concept for you. But if Hillary Clinton had not taken the first bold steps to hold the health insurance industry in check, the eventual ACA would not have been possible. Such things are complicated, difficult, and require brains and patience as both Hillary and Barack Obama well know...Now I want you to be sure not to research what happens when you write-in a candidate on a presidential ballot... You haven't figured that out yet. vinceremos , my ass


We have all the research we need through recent history. We see how far to the right this country has become voting for the corporatist democrats as the LOTE instead of voting our conscience. All movements begin somewhere. To continue the course you'd prefer would only delay an inevitable capitulation to fascism. We choose a new way and choose to begin the fight today. We refuse to vote out of fear and instead look to build a brighter future. When you begin each debate with "we can't win", as Obama did and $Hillary promises to do, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and nothing ever gets changed for the better. Reagan's policies of the 80s are far left of today's democratic party. We feel we can do better.
 
 
+3 # Jim Young 2016-05-19 22:15
Quoting christine craft:
Now I want you to be sure not to research what happens when you write-in a candidate on a presidential ballot... You haven't figured that out yet. vinceremos , my ass


Too late, I already know only 4 states count write in votes with no input from the candidate. I think 43 or so require the candidate to submit paperwork (before the election) to accept the Write In votes. So far Bernie doesn't plan to throw the election like Ralph Nader did (with less than 1/100th of the votes Bernie has in just the Primaries conducted so far). We will follow Bernie's lead though many won't should he be denied. Hillary might be able to win with the Bernie supporters that follow his lead if he finds it necessary to support her (with enough of a platform based on all the room we have provided to run a much more progressive platform).

If he says no, Katie bar the door, there is almost no way she can win.

Besides, even if she did win without any of our platform items, the country would be a political shambles, with an ever growing opposition to TPP, Citizens United, and Wall Street than ever seen before.
 
 
-43 # christine craft 2016-05-18 21:55
can you tell us the name(s) of your "independent party"??? do you know where to look? or is it too unfair to ask you?
 
 
+21 # CL38 2016-05-19 00:57
how much are you paid to spread toxicity and hate to try to get H 'elected'? Does she really think people like you are persuading anyone to vote for her???

NOTONYOURLIFE.
 
 
+27 # Helga Fellay 2016-05-19 09:29
Clinton has set aside a special fund of more than $1 Million to hire and pay trolls like christine to harrass Sanders supporters online. What a waste of $1 million. It's having the opposite effect. The more they attack Sanders, the less likely his supporters would vote for her.
 
 
+8 # librarian1984 2016-05-19 21:48
And think about the priorities. A million dollar could revitalize a school district or feed a few of the 20% of American kids who go hungry.

But no, let's take a MILLION dollars and pay trolls.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2016-05-19 23:34
It could almost make me feel sorry for HRC that she has to pay people to pretend to be her friends.

Almost.
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-05-19 23:43
At some point the trolls will be instructed to mention, casually, how pretty Hillary is, and how smart.

'I've met Hillary Clinton. She's better than Hamilton. I want to meet her again and again.'
 
 
+13 # tharpa 2016-05-19 01:44
Glad you asked.... and it's not unfair at all cc.... just unimaginative.
Recall that just a year ago, at this time, the whole, organic, mass-movement to elect Bernie didn't exist at all. There seems to be an irrepressible, new and vibrant energy of ideas that will CREATE an "Independent" organism to find expression for itself..... if the crooked establishment continues to suicide itdelf with the same-old hackneyed trickery to forestall true Progress.
Try a gentler approach.
_/\_
 
 
+13 # CL38 2016-05-19 02:19
it would help if she tried a more honest approach.
 
 
+8 # librarian1984 2016-05-19 23:47
I'd bet Clinton doesn't even know what she believes anymore.

The pathetic thing is she's always been so calculated, yet she almost always makes the wrong choice;
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2016-05-20 23:57
do not make the mistake that 500,000 California voters have made by thinking the American Independent Party is actually Independents. The AIP was formed by George Wallace for his anti-desegregat ion presidential run. That''s who they still are.

The people in California who registered with the AIP have to switch their registrations by May 23rd. or lose the right to vote in the primary.

I think that's what Christine was trying to encourage by asking about registration as an independent.

Ignore her, if it's really even a her. She/he works for David Brock and "Corrupt the Record."
 
 
+14 # jsluka 2016-05-18 23:37
And if Hillary is elected, it will be TWO Clintons in government, because she says she's going to "put him in charge of revitalising the economy."
See: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-would-appoint-bill-clinton-to-lead-on-the-economy-a7034796.html
 
 
+24 # cymricmorty 2016-05-19 00:51
I shudder to think what their threat of "revitalising the economy" would entail. I need a drink.
 
 
+22 # CL38 2016-05-19 00:59
jsluka: god (or SOMEONE) help us! with two Clinton's serving as President. They both did enough damage to last a lifetime.
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2016-05-21 00:05
[quote name="jsluka"]A nd if Hillary is elected, it will be TWO Clintons in government, because she says she's going to "put him in charge of revitalising the economy."

And this is why this widely missed story has been popping up everywhere in the past few days. Just Google "clinton and epstein" and your eyes will pop out. I don't normally use Gawker as a source but this story is everywhere, even on "Morning Joe."

See this: http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971
 
 
+20 # tigerlillie 2016-05-18 17:05
About Hillary Clinton. Does anyone look at photographs of her from when her husband first emerged on the national scene? It is kind of sad. I think she used to be human.
 
 
-51 # christine craft 2016-05-18 21:51
poor tigerlillie..ma y you never have to face the indignities of being as smart, as qualified, as old, as wise as Hillary Clinton.
 
 
+27 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 22:38
Right. In our court system we all know whoever has the most cash wins. So by that logic Hillary is 100% innocent. Embrace the hypocrisy. I think your position is just called giving up and letting the criminal corporate elites do whatever they want.
 
 
+23 # desertprogressive 2016-05-18 23:44
I doubt that tigerlillie meant anything about Hillary's age. Hillary is smart and CLEVER, not wise, and she used to look and act like a decent person. Now she looks and acts like someone desperate to win at any cost - power and money hungry - with no regard to doing what's right.
 
 
+21 # CL38 2016-05-19 02:21
if she were truly 'wise' she would have made decisions in her past that were based on far better judgement ...
why nor stop shilling for corruption. don't you have anything better to do?
 
 
+12 # Capn Canard 2016-05-19 08:11
Thanks christine craft... but not many are as mendacious, duplicitous, manipulative, back stabbing, and ready to spin and reverse course immediately as Hillary and her boy Bill. Great skills for a politician, but not really wise unless you aspire to be a Macbeth.
 
 
+15 # Capn Canard 2016-05-19 08:28
Agree. It is kind of frightening looking at her when she appears to be so proud of such illusory success. When you win by cheating it tends to evaporate all integrity and she will be completely bereft of morality, or she is already devoid of morality. The Clinton's are ethically bankrupt.
 
 
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+11 # Blackjack 2016-05-19 09:02
Could it be that this is why HRC says she will put Bill in charge of the economic elements of the presidency? That way he will have dominion over Elizabeth Warren at the Consumer Protection Bureau and will thwart her attempts to reign in Wall St.
 
 
+9 # cymricmorty 2016-05-19 10:42
My comment about "Debt Trap Debbie" Wasserman Schultz to which Blackjack replied was deleted "by Administrator" for unknown reason(s).
 
 
-68 # christine craft 2016-05-18 21:50
Mr. Sanders gives his approval to berniebots and bernie delegates threatening the lives of state democratic party officials and the lives of their grandchildren.. He wants your money for his non-profit from which he will draw a big salary, as will the grifter wife. He wants bloodshed in the streets of Philadelphia. He'll pretend he doesn't, that the people need to be heard. He wants to supercede the chicago 7 and Tom Hayden(berniebo ts will have to use their googles, since they've been deprived unfairly of education). He wants to be the revolutionary political icon of the current generation....A ll of you folks supporting this death threat behavior...dese rve to get your heads busted open in Philadelphia. No one else does, though, and that's the sad part.
 
 
+27 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 22:44
So you're here just to spread vitriol eh? This is the face of the true Hillary supporter. Are you secretly working for Bernie to show us what Hillbots are like, and how nobody could possibly like them? So rapacious her supporters are. So focused on the cash they will get. They will do anything just to gain a job with the Great sHill, now worth over a billion easy. Or to maintain their present advantage, petrified of change that might benefit others or GASP God forbid the masses. UNBELIEVABLE.
 
 
-18 # rocback 2016-05-19 11:59
Christine, get use to these Bernie trolls who can't handle dissent. They are even willing to lie about the Nevada conventions to justify their thuggery. Even Politico called them out and said their NEvade claims were false:

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
 
 
+9 # dsepeczi 2016-05-19 14:26
Quoting rocback:
Christine, get use to these Bernie trolls who can't handle dissent. They are even willing to lie about the Nevada conventions to justify their thuggery. Even Politico called them out and said their NEvade claims were false:

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/


So, then, am I to believe that you also think Bernie has given his approval to his supporters to harass people ? ... Both of you ... time to take your meds. Your realities are slipping again. Lol.
 
 
-14 # rocback 2016-05-19 14:48
The Politico article shows how the Bernieistas are making stuff up about unfairness. But that is what a loser does...blame the referee.
 
 
+9 # Billy Bob 2016-05-19 18:06
What's the matter, botcrack?

Christine's kicking your ass today!
 
 
+6 # CL38 2016-05-19 21:59
Politico has a bias towards establishment. By nature, a Capitol Hill publication interested in who's in Congress - which means focusing on existing power structures.
 
 
+4 # banichi 2016-05-20 14:37
Quoting rocback:
Christine, get use to these Bernie trolls who can't handle dissent. They are even willing to lie about the Nevada conventions to justify their thuggery. Even Politico called them out and said their NEvade claims were false:

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

Ah, so you would not be here spreading lies and disaffection if YOU could handle dissent, now would you? After all, the populist movement in support of Bernie Sanders grew out of recognition of how the establishment DNC and Hillary, as well as the MSM, have impatiently pushed Hillary because "it's her turn" which is ludicrous on the face of it. And how impatient of dissent they are. Her record of bad judgment speaks for itself, but you don't mention that. Your vitriolic posts on practically every article on RSN show who you are though you have not yet copped to being a paid Hilbot troll. How about it? Feel like confessing yet?

As far as the Politifact article is concerned, they just added themselves to the MSM list that doesn't bother to check facts. If you had looked at the videos of the actual events there in Nevada, you would know better. Although from you posts, real facts are something you avoid. Twisting the truth to suit your paid preconceptions comes easily and works well for you. Go for it!

After this much time, no one on these articles really takes you as anything but target practice.
 
 
+25 # fletch1165 2016-05-18 22:56
Malthusians like you are why so many are supporting Bernie this time around, and in record number. I've seen only one Hillary sticker in my city, and countless Bernie. backwards people want their opponents heads busted in, especially ones they meet in a chatroom that are faceless. We see your face though. And yes in your honor I am donating $35 more dollars to Bernie's campaign. I was not going to until after California, but you have convinced me fully with your arrogant completely baseless and uneducated banter.

And don't worry RSN I will still donate next month as promised. Thanks for the work you do for us all.
 
 
+19 # Jayceecool 2016-05-18 23:42
Wow! She's apparently unaware that she's deranged, or that a real revolution has begun to clear away corporate shills like her...
 
 
+10 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-19 14:26
It is not so much that she is unaware but that she feels that "It's our (my) time now" as her early fundraiser mailings stated on the envelope cover. Her sense of entitlement obscures everything.

I received DOZENS of those mailings even though I always returned my response in their postage paid envelope with my colorful commentary about what I think about her.
 
 
+15 # Jim Rocket 2016-05-18 23:49
I'm beginning to think you are mentally ill, Christine.
 
 
+16 # Patriot 2016-05-19 01:12
Madame, what are you on? Besides a tear. Senator Sanders in no way resembles your characterizatio n. Cite PROOF and provide links, or, please, subside.

In short, you're blowing steam, and I'm tired of readng it. There's nothing in what you say to teach me something new, to make me rethink my own opinions--or to peruade me to be patient and recall that you have a right to your opinion.

What you've been writing isn't opinion, it's pure fiction.

Back it up, please, with FACT, or subside!
 
 
+11 # CL38 2016-05-19 02:23
you are a joke.
 
 
+12 # Capn Canard 2016-05-19 08:21
It appears that Hillary may be the enema that the Democrats desperately need, too bad it didn't come before they became Republican automatons. And Bernie Sanders just reminded the base that Hillary and Obama don't support the successful FDR style people/citizen based policies, in fact Hillary/Obama are very far from it.
 
 
+23 # NAVYVET 2016-05-18 22:25
Listen to Grandma NavyVet! I've been around a long time.

There may possibly have been ONE insulting call--by no means was it a "death threat." I stress "possibly." Since the voice was male, I'm wondering if it might be old, doddering Donald Segretti (he who singlehandedly destroyed Edmund Muskie's chances for the nomination) out for some more agitation and fun. Whoever, it was almost certainly an agent provacateur, the kind we now call a troll--although I think it's insulting to trolls. (Read Terry Pratchett's novels of Discworld where he makes trolls, goblins and orcs quite likeable.)
 
 
-26 # lights 2016-05-18 23:32
NAVYVET: "There may possibly have been ONE insulting call --by no means was it a "death threat."

YOU ARE LYING. Do they let you get away with that in the Navy MR VET?

RealClearPolitics
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/17/nv_dem_chair_on_convention_chaos_threats_have_been_threatened_to_carry_into_dnc_convention.html
 
 
+17 # lorenbliss 2016-05-18 23:59
Just as in Lev Bronstein's 1905 -- "In every gathering of three revolutionaries , there is at least one agent of the Okhrana" -- so in Bernie Sanders' 2016: in every gathering of true progressives, there is always a Hillarynoid provocateur.

(No doubt at least one agent of the many- tentacled USian secret police apparatus too -- but at least they're not tasked with disrupting dialogue...not yet anyway.)
 
 
+12 # Merlin 2016-05-19 03:17
lights 2016-05-18 23:32

"YOU ARE LYING."

Says the self admitted believer in violence and torture. You don't belong on the same thread with NAVYVET!
 
 
+10 # Radscal 2016-05-19 13:04
Wow! Mrs. Alan Greenspan believes Bernie Bros recorded threatening phone calls.

Who could have imagined that a woman who grew wealthy through ties with supra-national banking would think the man who seeks to break up and regulate banking is unfit to be President?
 
 
+7 # Skippydelic 2016-05-19 16:55
NAVYVET: Two words: 'David Brock'.

It SOUNDS like Brock (this generation's Donald Segretti), anyway...
 
 
+25 # m... 2016-05-18 22:28
.
''Democratic Leadership Needs to Understand That the Political World Is Changing''

DNC and GOP to America--- Sorry, I can't hear you. Let me get back to you after I get some people in here to clear away all these piles of money stacked up between me, my eyes and ears--- and you... Just leave your name, phone number and email address with my staff and you'll hear from them probably before the next election.
.
 
 
+21 # tapelt 2016-05-18 22:46
"The Democratic voters created their own monsters by acting as co-dependent enablers to a party that betrays them at every turn and never holding any lines out of fear of something worse. Stay with abusers, be abused. The People have become their own worst enemy. Those who advocate voting for the corruption, deceit, criminality, and war mongering of Clinton out of fear of something worse have lost their own way. "
https://youtu.be/v2HbXn8ldAw
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2016-05-21 00:17
Quoting tapelt:
"The Democratic voters created their own monsters by acting as co-dependent enablers to a party that betrays them at every turn and never holding any lines out of fear of something worse. Stay with abusers, be abused. The People have become their own worst enemy. Those who advocate voting for the corruption, deceit, criminality, and war mongering of Clinton out of fear of something worse have lost their own way. "
https://youtu.be/v2HbXn8ldAw



As I've been saying for years-

"We are in an abusive relationship with our government!"
 
 
-36 # ojg 2016-05-18 23:16
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. And neither are many of you. Why don't you all form your own party and run for president and quit trying to hijack the Democratic party? You aren't going to vote for Hillary. So, stop all this horse shit and form your own party. Then you all can be as mean, rude, nasty, vulgar and misogynistic as you want to be without involving Democrats in your weirdness.
 
 
+29 # desertprogressive 2016-05-18 23:31
Sorry OJG, but the Hillary folks (starting with Bill) hijacked the Democratic party and turned it into the Republican-lite party. We want it back! Hillary should have run as a Republican, which she is.
 
 
+14 # Texas Aggie 2016-05-19 06:44
What DP just said.
 
 
+9 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-19 14:34
And I echo what DesertProgressi ve said as well!
Hillary Clinton was, is, and always will be a Goldwater girl.
She should be working to be the Republican nominee since that is where she belongs.
The Democratic Party is the party of FDR.
WE WANT IT BACK YOU MOTHER(earth)FR ACKERS!!!!!!
 
 
-17 # rocback 2016-05-19 14:54
We real Democrats learned our lesson when we lost for 30 years with too far left nominees with McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis. Ti took Clinton moving to the middle for us to strat winning again and we have won 5 out of the last 6 popular votes. We sre not going back and certainly not with a 75 year old socialist who want to raise taxes by $13 trillion dollars and a top rate with everying to 83%.
 
 
+7 # m... 2016-05-20 02:19
I doubt Democrats 'learned' anything except how to adjust, readjust and react.

Democrats had become complacent, even feeling 'entitled' to be reelected. Their message became a stale non-message that put people to sleep. They only adjusted and went along to get along when Reagan came by way of a landslide and Trickle Down began deregulating and privatizing everything.
As rampant deregulation took hold, Wall Street Lobbyists became bolder insiders writing legislation.
Media ownership rules were lifted.
Concentration of media into the hands of a few VERY Conservative Corporate Entities began and only got worse from there.
The Conservative Megaphone became rich, pervasive, loud, and angrily demeaning to everything they labeled 'Liberal' (evil).
Democrats were cowed and rolled over even more.
Then, the Gingrich DEvolution swept through government.
The Trickle Down Snowball became an avalanche pounding the New Deal to rubble.
Democrats devolved into dedicated reactionaries who didn't stand for much beyond donation gathering and reelections based on a simple minded, finger-pointing narrative: Vote for us. We're not the crazy, bat shit Republicans.

IT DIDN'T WORK!

Democrats became The Republican-Enab lers; a Party of Media Soundbite Fretters and Capable Donation-Gatherers.

The Republicans became the TRUMPS, CRUZES and TEAPLE PEOPLE because the Republicans 'lost it' to the wingnut media-empowered ultra-fringe.

This is our Two Party System as we speak.
.
 
 
+4 # dsepeczi 2016-05-20 07:18
Quoting rocback:
We real Democrats learned our lesson when we lost for 30 years with too far left nominees with McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis. Ti took Clinton moving to the middle for us to strat winning again and we have won 5 out of the last 6 popular votes. We sre not going back and certainly not with a 75 year old socialist who want to raise taxes by $13 trillion dollars and a top rate with everying to 83%.


You keep making this tired claim. This time, I'll simply state that your numbers are as off as your commentary. They've been debunked multiple times on multiple threads so I don't feel the need to post Radscal's link again. Getting to your other talking point in which you proclaim "we have won 5 out of the last 6 popular votes" ... even if you can attribute that to adopting more corporatist positions ... may I ask what we really won ? Our democracy is slipping under tighter and tighter control of the oligarchs even as the dems controlled the white house. Our democracy is systematically being torn down in front of our eyes. Nobody with the IQ of a grapefruit would argue this point. So, please, tell me .... what makes you do your victory dance ? I suggest that if you truly believe the propaganda you spread here ... you might wish to search Netflix for Noam Chomsky's "Requiem for the American Dream" to get a better understanding of the crash of our democracy ... and how it's being orchestrated. Knowledge is power. Go out and get some.
 
 
+1 # banichi 2016-05-21 17:07
Thank you, dsepeczi. I couldn't have said it better. Watching this electoral death spiral of HRC and the DNC establishment has been an eye-opener since I heard Bernie talk last November or so. Though I have been learning along the way for decades, it all came to a head then.

Or as I once read in the Pogo Papers, "We have met the enemy, and they is us." Not sure that Rocback and the other Shillary trolls are any more capable of understanding that than HRC herself.
 
 
+27 # CL38 2016-05-19 00:38
The Democratic Party was hijacked long ago, led by Bill Clinton, first by caving into and then joining a very corrupt gop.

Most of us, I'll bet, have been Democrats most of our lives. We've worked to support this Party in many ways. We have an investment. Now that's it's embracing oligarchy and fascism (look them up), we're demanding something better==the Democratic Party of FDR that once made this country great. You settle if you want. But most of us believe we deserve a whole lot more from a Party we've backed and supported all our lives.

BTW, ojg, I'm a 40 year feminist who doesn't do 'misogoynistic' ; neither do the other regular bloggers here. Holding Clinton accountable for failures in judgement and policy--and an extremely weak character, is the right thing to do.

That has NOTHING to do with misogyny. Enabling her as you and so many others do, is the worst thing you can do for HER, for the Democratic Party or for the country.
 
 
+10 # Capn Canard 2016-05-19 08:35
Hear, hear.
 
 
+14 # djnova50 2016-05-19 09:19
ojg, Bernie Sanders is more of a Democrat than Hillary is. He is a Democratic Socialist, just like Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In case you were not aware of it, FDR was elected to the office of President 4 times. His policies were good for America. Norm Chomsky calls Bernie a New Deal Democrat.

The Democrats used to care about We the People. Now, with a few exceptions, they care about their corporate sponsors.

I'm tired of it. So, that is why I am supporting Bernie Sanders.
 
 
+7 # lfeuille 2016-05-19 16:58
The hijackers are the Clintons and other third way neoliberal neocons. They stole the party of FDR and we want it back. They keep pretending to still be the party of the people because they know they can't get elected otherwise, but once in power they ignore the people who put them there. We are putting them on notice that we intend to make the fiction they sell to get elected a reality.
 
 
+8 # Skippydelic 2016-05-19 17:13
ojg: You don't know the Democratic Party, then…

Bernie Sanders is, in many ways, a throwback to the FDR 'New Deal'-era Democratic Party!

It was the Democratic Leadership Council and Third Way - BOTH Clintons were mainstays of the organizations - that moved the Democratic Party from traditional Liberal values to Corporatists!

The Democratic Party NEEDS Bernie!!!
 
 
+4 # economagic 2016-05-20 19:57
@ojg, 30-40 posts up the page.

Damn straight I'm not a member of the "Democratic" Party. I am a democrat, dammit, and I recognized the tag-team duopoly fifty years ago. I registered independent, and only realized 20-30 years later that I had never voted for a Republican, but always for the "lesser evil," which was never that much lesser. So sue me -- or nominate a democrat (sic) who can make the case for democracy, and then SUPPORT him or her. "Democratic Leadership Council," misleading the party down the primrose path toward fascism.
 
 
-5 # Saberoff 2016-05-18 23:46
Thank you Bernie.
And screw you RSN! For re-signing in all the... And YOUR password nonsense...
 
 
+3 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-19 14:36
Saberoff...if you do not like RSN then why are you here?
How much have you donated lately to support them?
 
 
-2 # Saberoff 2016-05-19 19:38
I do support them. But wait a minute; are my expectations true, then? If you're not sending enough money you are no longer welcome to comment?
Marc Ash used to write me personally; that's how long ago it was. The site was brand new! He said "It's OK if you do not have money to donate, just pass our site along. I sent checks (New York I believe it was).
By the way: fuck off!
 
 
-25 # ojg 2016-05-18 23:56
So, DesertProgressi ve, When was it that Bernie was a Democrat? For some reason I thought he was an Independent until he decided to use my party to run his presidential campaign.
 
 
+20 # Texas Aggie 2016-05-19 06:49
There is a characteristic of the far right wing that they have this value that everyone has to submit to the power structure and show absolute loyalty to the group no matter what. It's what was known as being a "Good German."

That the DNC and its supporters seem to have the same attitude and value says a lot about their actual positions. Bernie characterizes what were once Democratic values a LOT more than Hillary does, which makes him a better Democrat than she ever thought of being. And while you're at it, please explain why a Goldwater Girl should be running on the Democratic ticket.
 
 
+3 # economagic 2016-05-20 19:51
If your party actually opposed the disgusting and immoral policies of its other half, you would not need to be asking that question. Haven't we had enough decades of "Good party, bad party"?
 
 
-16 # Robbee 2016-05-19 01:16
please! - # ojg 2016-05-18 23:16
'... form your own party. Then you all can be as mean, rude, nasty, vulgar and misogynistic as you want to be without involving Democrats ..."

- these folks you are appealing to have no idea how to get together and do anything!

they are all parties of one! nothing binds them to anyone or anything else! clueless as newborn babes!

they all claim to think of themselves as bernie supporters! but they all hear only part of what bernie says! and the rest they can't stand! - even if it means a rump prez! they can't be bothered to vote dem!

most especially when they are! you can't accuse them of being "mean, rude, nasty, vulgar and misogynistic" - you have to bring them along real slow! - baby steps! - let them think they thought of how to act in solidarity with other progressives! all by themselves! - truly sorry!
 
 
+10 # Radscal 2016-05-19 13:59
You'll not be leading me by "baby steps" or any other way to support your candidate's desire to murder the families of my loved ones.

You are a heartless moron. HRC is perfect for you.
 
 
+8 # dbrize 2016-05-19 16:12
Quoting Robbee:
please! - # ojg 2016-05-18 23:16
'... form your own party. Then you all can be as mean, rude, nasty, vulgar and misogynistic as you want to be without involving Democrats ..."

- these folks you are appealing to have no idea how to get together and do anything!

they are all parties of one! nothing binds them to anyone or anything else! clueless as newborn babes!

they all claim to think of themselves as bernie supporters! but they all hear only part of what bernie says! and the rest they can't stand! - even if it means a rump prez! they can't be bothered to vote dem!

most especially when they are! you can't accuse them of being "mean, rude, nasty, vulgar and misogynistic" - you have to bring them along real slow! - baby steps! - let them think they thought of how to act in solidarity with other progressives! all by themselves! - truly sorry!


Says the dual ghost of Senator Joseph McCarthy/Richar d M Nixon, our resident keeper of phony "enemies and purge lists".
 
 
-12 # Robbee 2016-05-19 01:37
i rely on bernie to continue to fight for votes and delegates all the way to the convention! for the betterment of the dem party! - to open doors wide! to progressives! and independents!

i rely on bernie to challenge the nevada delegation and to bring his own nevada delegates to the convention!

for all you do bernie! we can't thank you enough!
 
 
+21 # Nancy Jakeman 2016-05-19 05:12
The world has been waiting for Bernie Sanders . He has been speaking on equality for all for his whole lifetime. His voice will echo across our planet, pure soul that he is. Some beings cannot see this at this time. In Australia, watching this moment we know how important it is, also the UK's Jeremy Corbin and Greeces Yana Vatsoukourus.?? ? prob wrong spelling! We're almost holding our collective breath. I don't seek to villify HRC or anybody else, and change is coming whether some like it or not. Bernie supporters, be patient. It's nearly over for whether Bernie gets the nomination or not, the people have collectively, at least, enough of them,found Voice! All over our Earth there are shockwaves from establishment,a nd the roots of the old systems are being torn asunder. Celebrate! and Love!
 
 
+11 # DrD 2016-05-19 08:59
Nancy
Thank you for your post. I needed to hear your voice of reason and hope today!

For me, it's back to the phones for Bernie today. I'm not giving up on Bernie at this crucial time. This isn't about 'our team' winning- this is about a more peaceful, less destructive future for the world.

Bernie's now down 274 pledged delegates - he just won Oregon ( a closed primary) and tied in KY (another closed primary). There are 903 delegates left and some (i.e. CA) are semi open so independents can vote Sorry to repeat but he just needs to get more pledged delegates than Hillary before convention to force contested convention.
 
 
+15 # Nancy Jakeman 2016-05-19 05:21
I want to add that I do feel that Bernie will get the nomination.
 
 
+11 # Capn Canard 2016-05-19 08:37
Nancy, methinks this DNC convention will be very interesting. I wonder how poorly the incompetent MSM will cover it. Things could get very, very ugly.
 
 
+12 # Annette Saint John Lawrence 2016-05-19 05:30
There is nothing that would get me to vote for HRC! The way I see it, what would you prefer (1) a
truck is driving down the street and your are in it and runs you down. You die. (2) You are on the sidewalk taking your daily stroll. A car driving down that street somehow loses control, the car runs up on the sidewalk and hits you. You die. Which would you choose? Change will come to the Dumocratic (spelling no mistake) and the Republockin (spelling party) when we build a momentum that keeps tabs on the incumbents that are running in your districts and those who are newly seeking to run. It's easy. Write in good people. Pay attention to a candidates body language. Turn of the sound and watch. HRC is
a model of power hungry, sense of entitlement, falsifying what she is saying, weighing what she says so that she doesn't commit until she sees she can come up with an answer that is to her benefit, etc.
 
 
+18 # Charles3000 2016-05-19 07:02
If HRC is put on the democratic ticket I will, the next day, journey to my county government center and leave the Democratic party in which I have existed since the Harry Truman days, and become an independent. I think a goal of a million defections on that day would be a very worthy goal.
 
 
+9 # Capn Canard 2016-05-19 08:39
Excellent more Charles3000. The DNC and RNC are the cheap prostitutes of their Wealthy Overlords.
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-05-19 14:08
Great idea, Charles.

Of course, if the corporate media covers that at all, it will likely be spun as the "fake Democrats" "Drumpf Trolls" returning to their real identities.

But if the DNC allows HRC to steal the nomination, I'l join you. For almost 40 years, I have voted in Democratic Primaries with the hope of urging the Party to the left. "Best laid plans..."

Denying Sanders would be the last straw for me.
 
 
+16 # jimmyjames 2016-05-19 07:26
A couple of points for the Hillary supporters. HRC was NOT the first politician (for lack of a better word) to promote universal health care. That would have been President Harry Truman. And besides, Hillary's convoluted plan was basically the same as the ACA, which leaves health for profit. Truman's plan was a "medicare for all" plan similar to Bernie's plan. He was shot down by corporate interests as well.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/november-19-1945-harry-truman-calls-national-health-insurance-program/

Secondly, the Hillary supporters at the Nevada convention stole the vote from the Bernie supporters. That Democratic convention was far from being democratic. No wonder Bernie supporters were pissed off. They stole the election right in front of Bernie supporter's eyes with no remorse. I would have been as well. And I might have done more than throw a chair...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/15/chaos_at_nevada_democratic_convention_dnc_leaders_flee_building_as_sanders_supporters_demand_recount.html
 
 
+1 # OLDGUY 2016-05-19 07:52
Wrong: The first was Norman Thomas.
 
 
+6 # jimmyjames 2016-05-19 08:13
Quoting OLDGUY:
Wrong: The first was Norman Thomas.

Maybe, maybe not:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp
 
 
+1 # OLDGUY 2016-05-19 09:34
Reagan in his speech opposing the passage of medicare referred to Norman Thomas and his position on universal health as a socialistic plot. Referring to Thomas's position in 1927
 
 
+7 # Radscal 2016-05-19 14:20
FDR had also listed universal medical care in his "Four Freedoms" speech. But I think you're correct that Truman was the first to actually propose a specific plan.
 
 
+7 # Radscal 2016-05-19 14:19
As I understand the NV Convention, it was scheduled to start at 10:00 am. But, at 9:30, Chariwoman Lange held a vote that changed the rules. Obviously, only those who knew about this plan arrived early and voted. Not surprisingly, these were almost all HRC supporters.

Once they'd changed the rules, it was all downhill from there.
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2016-05-21 00:36
Quoting Radscal:
As I understand the NV Convention, it was scheduled to start at 10:00 am. But, at 9:30, Chariwoman Lange held a vote that changed the rules. Obviously, only those who knew about this plan arrived early and voted. Not surprisingly, these were almost all HRC supporters.

Once they'd changed the rules, it was all downhill from there.


You are absolutely correct. I checked the Nevada Democratic Convention registration website and the starting time was posted as 9:00 AM. The Hillarybots keep saying that to make it look like the Bernie delegates were irresponsible or uninformed and were fairly treated. They were kept out of the first rules votes to give the advantage to the Hillary side. Otherwise they would have outnumbered the Hillary delegates.

That's another lie in the Politifact article the trolls keep posting.

Hey, maybe Politifact is in the market to hire some fact-checkers!!
 
 
-14 # Lilyoo 2016-05-19 08:04
Amazingly vitriolic comments here...and on Progressive Radio yesterday, they played most of the taped messages to the woman at the Nevada convention...ex tremely disgusting messages to this woman, the worst in trolling. No presidential candidate should endorse that -or excuse it. I'd expect it from Trump, who'd probably tweet his vitriolic reaction to his supporters if it happened to him, but he's the absolute last person who should be allowed to build a throne in the White House.
 
 
+14 # Capn Canard 2016-05-19 08:48
Did you consider that the reason these people reacted that way may be because the very act of voting was stolen? The process was corrupted beyond recognition. And that is usually what is called voting fraud. If you want something to be angry about, then a fraudulent election should make you very angry. If you aren't angry, then you are complacent in your own enslavement. Apparently, you want everyone to just do what they are told and never object.

Instead, you are worried about decorum. Now is the time to open your eyes.

WAKE UP!
 
 
+12 # DrD 2016-05-19 08:59
And we know those calls were authentic because??
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-05-19 22:03
Exactly. We don't know who actually made those calls.

It would be as if Clinton hired people to abuse the media offering up false identities to .. so they could .. troll .. wait .. what?

It's also interesting to note that the MSM has been ignoring the Sanders campaign until sometthing like this happens. It IS one way to get their attention.
 
 
+9 # dsepeczi 2016-05-19 14:38
Quoting Lilyoo:
Amazingly vitriolic comments here...and on Progressive Radio yesterday, they played most of the taped messages to the woman at the Nevada convention...extremely disgusting messages to this woman, the worst in trolling. No presidential candidate should endorse that -or excuse it. I'd expect it from Trump, who'd probably tweet his vitriolic reaction to his supporters if it happened to him, but he's the absolute last person who should be allowed to build a throne in the White House.


I missed the part where Bernie endorsed it. Oh, wait. He didn't. It's just another moron trying to deflect the issues from $Hillary's dreadful record.
 
 
-12 # rocback 2016-05-19 11:53
Politifact looked into the claim by Sanders that the Nevada process was unfair which covers in detail all the allegations and found it was BS and I quote:

"Our ruling

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."

Caucuses and delegate math can be incredibly confusing, and the arcane party structures don’t reflect how most people assume presidential selection works.

But the howls of unfairness and corruption by the Sanders campaign during Nevada’s state Democratic Convention can’t change the simple fact that Clinton’s supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.

There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

We rate this claim False."

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

Maybe it's the Sanders supporters who should "WAKE UP"
 
 
+6 # Ken Halt 2016-05-19 19:59
roc: Watch the Youtube videos. You are such a bucket of phlegm.
 
 
+3 # lorenbliss 2016-05-19 15:26
Website problem. What I tried to post in response to Radscal above mysteriously ended up here, where it became a non sequitur, making no sense at all. Not the first time my posts have been tampered with. Could there be a pro-Hillary, defend-capitali sm-at-all-cost infiltrator on the RSN staff?)
 
 
+3 # Jim Young 2016-05-19 22:38
We (week old Democrats) got 100 people in our district to vote for 20 people willing to run for the 5 regular positions as Bernie Delegates.

Turnout included many who had been casually registered as Republicans and many of the fallout of even early Tea party and "Libertarian leaners," etc, who met in various Occupy General Assemblies, or who had friends that had done so. In other words, many people of all backgrounds including those Democrats not tied to the existing party that sense we have to get into the pre-primary inner workings, to get the mass voices of the "99%" into the party structure and at least a little bit responsive to all of us.

We may not force the party to listen to us, but they should certainly recognize that we are not just coming with demands, we are bringing a huge amount of support for any candidate willing to represent the real people.

Anyone can take advantage of that support by stepping up to help accomplish some our goals.

I prefer Bernie by far since he has been the constant voice for so much of what we want, as when he was one of only 8 Senators to vote against the repeal of Glass-Steagall, many years ago.

Many of the angry people have been following Trump, but I think many of them are beginning to realize Bernie is far more likely to actually accomplish things that will benefit all of us (I hope with the help of Hillary and those of her supporters who also want more of what so many of the real people want).
 
 
-8 # mmc 2016-05-20 10:18
Dear Mr. Sanders: please stop whining, it makes you look exactly like Trump. It has been no secret that there are two main parties in America, Democrat and the other one. Both have had rules that are publicly stated and understood, even if you may disagree with them. Many of your supporters have apparently stood by and done nothing in the past, not bothering to register as a Democrat. I did, as did millions of other Democrats. Just because you have supporters who didn't bother to engage earlier doesn't mean the process was "rigged". So we are tired of hearing you whine about people who couldn't vote in the Democratic primaries because they didn't bother to become Democrats. None of us have said we will never support you, even though every single independent analysis of your programs indicates they will ruin us further financially. You may still win, who knows. But if you don't, and you and your supporters do not temper your current divisive rhetoric, that is proof you are not Democrats. And worse, your failure to fully support the Democratic nominee may result in a Trump win, and the destruction of our country. And you will be responsible for the death of the United States.
 
 
+2 # pernsey 2016-05-21 11:03
Dear Hillary supporters please stop whining about Bernie LOL!
 
 
+1 # reo100 2016-05-24 07:01
SEE YOU ALL IN PHILLY!♡
 

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