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Moore Writes: "Here are ten things that you probably don't know about this crisis because the media, having come to the story so late, can only process so much. But if you live in Flint or the State of Michigan as I do, you know all to well that what the greater public has been told only scratches the surface."

The filmmaker Michael Moore, near a closed factory in Flint, Michigan, where his father worked. (photo: Fabrizio Costantini/NYT)
The filmmaker Michael Moore, near a closed factory in Flint, Michigan, where his father worked. (photo: Fabrizio Costantini/NYT)


10 Things They Won't Tell You About the Flint Water Tragedy. But I Will.

By Michael Moore, Reader Supported News

30 January 16

 

Y NEW LETTER: "10 Things They Won’t Tell You About the Flint Water Tragedy. But I Will." -- Here's a link to the letter on my site: http://michaelmoore.com/10FactsOnFlint/ -- Read, Sign Our Petition, & Share this!

News of the poisoned water crisis in Flint has reached a wide audience around the world. The basics are now known: the Republican governor, Rick Snyder, nullified the free elections in Flint, deposed the mayor and city council, then appointed his own man to run the city. To save money, they decided to unhook the people of Flint from their fresh water drinking source, Lake Huron, and instead, make the public drink from the toxic Flint River. When the governor’s office discovered just how toxic the water was, they decided to keep quiet about it and covered up the extent of the damage being done to Flint’s residents, most notably the lead affecting the children, causing irreversible and permanent brain damage. Citizen activists uncovered these actions, and the governor now faces growing cries to resign or be arrested.

Here are ten things that you probably don’t know about this crisis because the media, having come to the story so late, can only process so much. But if you live in Flint or the State of Michigan as I do, you know all to well that what the greater public has been told only scratches the surface.

  1. While the Children in Flint Were Given Poisoned Water to Drink, General Motors Was Given a Special Hookup to the Clean Water.

    A few months after Governor Snyder removed Flint from the clean fresh water we had been drinking for decades, the brass from General Motors went to him and complained that the Flint River water was causing their car parts to corrode when being washed on the assembly line. The Governor was appalled to hear that GM property was being damaged, so he jumped through a number of hoops and quietly spent $440,000 to hook GM back up to the Lake Huron water, while keeping the rest of Flint on the Flint River water. Which means that while the children in Flint were drinking lead-filled water, there was one -- and only one -- address in Flint that got clean water: the GM factory.

  2. For Just $100 a Day, This Crisis Could've Been Prevented.

    Federal law requires that water systems which are sent through lead pipes must contain an additive that seals the lead into the pipe and prevents it from leaching into the water. Someone at the beginning suggested to the Governor that they add this anti-corrosive element to the water coming out of the Flint River. “How much would that cost?” came the question. “$100 a day for three months,” was the answer. I guess that was too much, so, in order to save $9,000, the state government said f*** it -- and as a result the State may now end up having to pay upwards of $1.5 billion to fix the mess.

  3. There's More Than the Lead in Flint’s Water.

    In addition to exposing every child in the city of Flint to lead poisoning on a daily basis, there appears to be a number of other diseases we may be hearing about in the months ahead. The number of cases in Flint of Legionnaires Disease has increased tenfold since the switch to the river water. Eighty-seven people have come down with it, and at least ten have died. In the five years before the river water, not a single person in Flint had died of Legionnaires Disease. Doctors are now discovering that another half-dozen toxins are being found in the blood of Flint’s citizens, causing concern that there are other health catastrophes which may soon come to light.

  4. People’s Homes in Flint Are Now Worth Nothing Because They Cant Be Sold.

    Would you buy a house in Flint right now? Who would? So every homeowner in Flint is stuck with a house that’s now worth nothing. That’s a total home value of $2.4 billion down the economic drain. People in Flint, one of the poorest cities in the U.S., don’t have much to their name, and for many their only asset is their home. So, in addition to being poisoned, they have now a net worth of zero. (And as for employment, who is going to move jobs or start a company in Flint under these conditions? No one.) Has Flint’s future just been flushed down that river?

  5. While They Were Being Poisoned, They Were Also Being Bombed.

    Here’s a story which has received little or no coverage outside of Flint. During these two years of water contamination, residents in Flint have had to contend with a decision made by the Pentagon to use Flint for target practice. Literally. Actual unannounced military exercises – complete with live ammo and explosives – were conducted last year inside the city of Flint. The army decided to practice urban warfare on Flint, making use of the thousands of abandoned homes which they could drop bombs on. Streets with dilapidated homes had rocket-propelled grenades fired upon them. For weeks, an undisclosed number of army troops pretended Flint was Baghdad or Damascus and basically had at it. It sounded as if the city was under attack from an invading army or from terrorists. People were shocked this could be going on in their neighborhoods. Wait – did I say “people?” I meant, Flint people. As with the Governor, it was OK to abuse a community that held no political power or money to fight back. BOOM!

  6. The Wife of the Governor's Chief of Staff Is a Spokeswoman for Nestle, Michigan's Largest Owner of Private Water Reserves.

    As Deep Throat told Woodward and Bernstein: “Follow the money.” Snyder’s chief of staff throughout the two years of Flint’s poisoning, Dennis Muchmore, was intimately involved in all the decisions regarding Flint. His wife is Deb Muchmore, who just happens to be the spokesperson in Michigan for the Nestle Company – the largest owner of private water sources in the State of Michigan. Nestle has been repeatedly sued in northern Michigan for the 200 gallons of fresh water per minute it sucks from out of the ground and bottles for sale as their Ice Mountain brand of bottled spring water. The Muchmores have a personal interest in seeing to it that Nestles grabs as much of Michigan’s clean water was possible – especially when cities like Flint in the future are going to need that Ice Mountain.

  7. In Michigan, from Flint water, to Crime and Murder, to GM Ignition Switches, It's a Culture of Death.

    It’s not just the water that was recklessly used to put people’s lives in jeopardy. There are many things that happen in Flint that would give one the impression that there is a low value placed on human life. Flint has one of the worst murder and crime rates in the country. Just for context, if New York City had the same murder rate as Flint, Michigan, the number of people murdered last year in New York would have been almost 4,000 people – instead of the actual 340 who were killed in NYC in 2015. But it’s not just street crime that makes one wonder about what is going on in Michigan. Last year, it was revealed that, once again, one of Detroit’s automakers had put profit ahead of people’s lives. General Motors learned that it had installed faulty ignition switches in many of its cars. Instead of simply fixing the problem, mid-management staff covered it up from the public. The auto industry has a history of weighing the costs of whether it’s cheaper to spend the money to fix the defect in millions of cars or to simply pay off a bunch of lawsuits filed by the victims surviving family members. Does a cynical, arrogant culture like this make it easy for a former corporate CEO, now Governor, turn a blind eye to the lead that is discovered in a municipality’s drinking water?

  8. Don’t Call It “Detroit Water” -- It's the Largest Source of Fresh Drinking Water in the World.

    The media keeps saying Flint was using “Detroit’s water.” It is only filtered and treated at the Detroit Water Plant. The water itself comes from Lake Huron, the third largest body of fresh water in the world. It is a glacial lake formed over 10,000 years ago during the last Ice Age and it is still fed by pure underground springs. Flint is geographically the last place on Earth where one should be drinking poisoned water.

  9. ALL the Children Have Been Exposed, As Have All the Adults, Including Me.

    That’s just a fact. If you have been in Flint anytime from April 2014 to today, and you’ve drank the water, eaten food cooked with it, washed your clothes in it, taken a shower, brushed your teeth or eaten vegetables from someone’s garden, you’ve been exposed to and ingested its toxins. When the media says “9,000 children under 6 have been exposed,” that means ALL the children have been exposed because the total number of people under the age of 6 in Flint is… 9,000! The media should just say, “all.” When they say “47 children have tested positive”, that’s just those who’ve drank the water in the last week or so. Lead enters the body and does it’s damage to the brain immediately. It doesn’t stay in the blood stream for longer than a few days and you can’t detect it after a month. So when you hear “47 children”, that’s just those with an exposure in the last 48 hours. It’s really everyone.

  10. This Was Done, Like So Many Things These Days, So the Rich Could Get a Big Tax Break.

    When Governor Snyder took office in 2011, one of the first things he did was to get a multi-billion dollar tax break passed by the Republican legislature for the wealthy and for corporations. But with less tax revenues, that meant he had to start cutting costs. So, many things – schools, pensions, welfare, safe drinking water – were slashed. Then he invoked an executive privilege to take over cities (all of them majority black) by firing the mayors and city councils whom the local people had elected, and installing his cronies to act as “dictators” over these cities. Their mission? Cut services to save money so he could give the rich even more breaks. That’s where the idea of switching Flint to river water came from. To save $15 million! It was easy. Suspend democracy. Cut taxes for the rich. Make the poor drink toxic river water. And everybody’s happy.

Except those who were poisoned in the process. All 102,000 of them. In the richest country in the world.

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+92 # Shades of gray matter 2016-01-30 10:38
Thank you MM. Thank you Rachel. Now show some love for RSN.
Why hasn't Bernie visited Flint? Because it doesn't matter to the white voters of Iowa, NH? PERFECT opportunity to reach out to people of color?
 
 
+63 # HowardMH 2016-01-30 11:10
Suggestion: Make up an Action Item Checklist of all the major things that need to be done now.

A sample of what needs to be done:

Replace Lead Water pipes. (You already have a master plumber that can handle the problem, get him the money now, not next month or next year but NOW. With 25,000 homes that need to be done the price for each should come down substantially because of the volume. He said maybe $10K per house, if you were doing a whole sub division at once the price should be less than half of that cost.

Testing all the kids in Flint for lead. You have a Dr. already on this one -- show progress every week.

Teach the teachers what to look for and what to do. This needs to be started IMMEDIATELY and you already had a teacher asking for help. The classes for teachers could be held on Sat and the state pays them for the overtime.
School lunches that all these kids need NOW. Start a school lunch program with the correct food and open a cafeteria in each school so the kids will get the correct food. The state picks up the tab for installing the necessary freezers and coolers ETC., that will be needed. Each kid will pay a very small fee for lunch – not $1 a day but 25 cents. State pays for the rest – NOT Flint.

This is just a start of a list of action items.
 
 
-105 # lnason@umassd.edu 2016-01-30 11:29
Howard,

Replacing all Lead Water pipes is an unfeasible task. Almost all water supply pipes in the US and almost all pipes in homes built before the 1970's have lead in them. The task you recommend would thus involve literally razing all cities and towns in the US.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+62 # PaineRad 2016-01-30 12:03
The pipes are not made from lead. The solder that joins lengths of pipe together contains lead. As I understand it, it is not all the water pipes, but only the pipes from the mains to the house.
 
 
+41 # HowardMH 2016-01-30 13:01
PaineRad, I think you nailed it correctly.
Thank you.
 
 
+10 # RLF 2016-01-31 06:27
Not true...many of the pipes are lead as well...often used to go through the foundation wall into the house.
 
 
+59 # Jim Rocket 2016-01-30 12:58
Read the article again, Lee. They didn't want to spend $9,000 for an additive that would have protected the pipes. So, as I understand it most of the pipes in Flint are now shot. Presumably other municipalities aren't so penny wise pound foolish.
 
 
+59 # Tippitc 2016-01-30 15:19
Perhaps you have heard of the huge problem in the U.S. called "crumbling infrastructure" ? The water that we all take for granted coming out of our taps is a big part of that infrastructure. The debacle in Flint is just scratching the surface!

Perhaps we will have to tax the 1% and - BONUS - put people back to work again fixing that infrastructure.
 
 
+18 # kalpal 2016-01-30 16:07
The expense is so high that we may as well concede defeat and let the poor die, right? Why waste money on poisoned people?
 
 
+24 # lfeuille 2016-01-30 20:26
Replacing the pipes doesn't require razing the buildings.
 
 
+1 # James38 2016-02-02 19:37
Lee, you may be some kind of academic, but you ain't no plumber.

Ask questions when you are ignorant, don't just say any old thing. Assuming you know everything is never going to work very well.
 
 
+85 # hopgeo39 2016-01-30 10:42
In Florida Governor Scott passed a tax break for the wealthy and has now instructed the state to take elderly and disabled off the rolls. I remember this happening during President Reagan when I was a nurse in NYC. SSA notices are sent but it is ordered by the state government. If you don't respond within 10 days, your benefits are discontinued and you must reapply. These are elderly and disabled who have a problem getting to an office to stop this process or don't understand the notices in some cases. Like the citizens in Flint, the governor can say letters were sent. No one addresses why wealthy and businesses are given tax breaks on the backs of people least able to fight for their rights.
 
 
-41 # Roland 2016-01-30 10:56
What benefits are you referring to in FL? Social Security? SSA? Isn't this paid by the Federal Govt? Medicaid is paid for by the state. Which rolls is FL trying to check for what I suppose is expected fraud?
 
 
+51 # PaineRad 2016-01-30 12:00
Social Security is paid for by working people's "premiums," not by general fund tax revenue. Medicare is largely paid for by working people's "premiums" and only partially from general fund tax revenue.

Medicaid is only partly paid for by state tax revenues. The majority comes from federal general tax revenues.
 
 
-30 # Roland 2016-01-30 12:29
Ok, you were more specific than I was, but that still doesn't answer my question. My question was - which rolls is FL trying to check for what I suppose is expected fraud?
 
 
+25 # economagic 2016-01-30 18:00
Roland, if PaineRad ignored you, it is because as usual you simply do not know what you are talking about. Debunking each individual canard you spew would take more time than any of us have. Even at that you would get a better reception and be taken more seriously if you were not so arrogant.
 
 
+31 # pappajohn15 2016-01-30 18:30
FYI: Florida is cutting their food stamp rolls by quietly requiring adults 18-49 to enroll in work or training programs or be cut on February 1. We don't even know which of our clients will be cut because the state won't give us a list.
 
 
+18 # lfeuille 2016-01-30 20:29
And, it doesn't do any good. Roland is immune to facts.
 
 
+9 # RLF 2016-01-31 06:34
Roland has it right that there is a lot of fraud in Medicaid. My brother in law just had his wheel chair repaired and two little plastic tires was $800...the price of a full set of car tires...and that is just the one charge I can remember...the whole bill was padded by 300% at least...that's fraud and florida is the king because of the ex-pat doctors there.
 
 
+28 # kalpal 2016-01-30 16:09
Just because Florida refused to accept federal medicare funds in no way excuses Florida from being incompetently run by the Guardians Of Privilege.
 
 
+29 # Cassandra2012 2016-01-30 17:31
Time for pitchforks and torches???
 
 
+16 # Kootenay Coyote 2016-01-30 21:05
Yes.
 
 
-4 # HowardMH 2016-01-31 14:38
That is right, No more Hopie - Changy stuff.
 
 
+17 # RLF 2016-01-31 06:30
The whole idea is to cut taxes on the rich while maintaining high rates for the middle and upper middle class there by creating a pissed off group that votes for the party that says it cuts taxes...the Republicans! How brilliant is that. Americans never pay attention to what is REALLY going on, they just listen to the faux news sound bites.
 
 
-90 # Roland 2016-01-30 10:50
"The story of Flint, Mich., is not only the story of dirty water and derelict environmental officials that has dominated the news. The unsung story is that of imprudence that made some sort of catastrophe almost inevitable.

Flint changed its water supply to save money. In the process, it failed to add chemicals that would prevent the new, more acidic water from eroding lead from ancient city pipes supplying as many as 100,000 people.

At bottom, however, it’s not a water crisis; it’s a benefits crisis. Flint’s money shortage came about largely from high municipal pension obligations and a retiree health plan that could not be properly funded after the biggest taxpayer, General Motors, moved out.

The city’s population shrunk, the city budget shrunk, and wages shrunk, but benefits for retirees could not shrink because of protections in the state constitution. Currently, pensions and retiree health care consume 33% of general fund expense and 20% of all city spending. The city has been in receivership since December 2011.

Flint is not the first victim of excessive municipal benefits—and it won’t be the last." Barron's Magazine
 
 
+42 # Bruce Gruber 2016-01-30 11:16
"Excessive" is where you assessment confesses it's bias. How dare a community built around the corporate power of the world's richest company entertain comparative retirement benefits for elected officials (and mere laborers)? Oh, the workers have a union? Guess we will have to deal with strike-threaten ed negotiations. Probably have elected and public servants ts expect the same thing.

Your observation would entertain less 'dog-whistle' character if you presented what "proper" pension benefits would be ... or more appropriate to your tone, how much less it "should" have been IF General motors and it's overwhelmingly "white" middle class abandons the area to its lower income minority residents
 
 
-63 # Roland 2016-01-30 11:44
Just because there is (or was) a wealthy company in town and that company is able (or was able until they weren't) to pay well, doesn't mean that the public sector workers are worth more. That type of thinking and the harm caused by it are very evident in Flint.
 
 
+63 # Jim Rocket 2016-01-30 13:03
I didn't realize that the punishment for fiscal problems is covert poisoning of the water supply and permanently damaging the children.
 
 
-68 # Roland 2016-01-30 13:46
It was an accidental result of trying to cut costs. Other towns with similar financial problems, will see other negative results.
 
 
+29 # kalpal 2016-01-30 16:12
Will any of them be majority Caucasians?
 
 
+53 # economagic 2016-01-30 18:05
No, it was not an accident. It was done with full knowledge and understanding. City employees were provided with bottled water long before any of this hit the media. Google it. That makes it willful, so not an accident in the plain meaning of the words.
 
 
+9 # Radscal 2016-01-31 18:39
And how deeply this decision goes is important to investigate.

MM wrote:
“People’s Homes in Flint Are Now Worth Nothing Because They Cant Be Sold.”

In her excellent book, “The Shock Doctrine,” brave investigative journalist Naomi Klein present evidence that the disaster in New Orleans related to Hurricane Katrina was planned. Not that HAARP steered a hurricane into this historic city, but that decades of refusing to deal with the loss of wetlands and to rebuild the levees guaranteed that when a hurricane finally hit the city, that the poor neighborhoods would be destroyed. This permitted TPTB to drive most of the (surviving) poor, black people to flee the city.

It could well be that Flint was poisoned deliberately for the same reason.

“…army troops pretended Flint was Baghdad or Damascus…”

Or, more likely, they pretended Flint was Flint, or Detroit, or Chicago or Oakland. These “drills” all across the country have resulted in heavy weapons being shipped to urban areas where they remain, and troops trained in fighting the insurgency that would likely arise when the economy collapses or Global Warming causes mass starvation and migrations.
 
 
+26 # kalpal 2016-01-30 16:12
That would make sense if management suffered along with labor but in fact it did not, it prospered by screwing over labor.
 
 
+32 # economagic 2016-01-30 18:03
Apparently you have forgotten the Crash of 2008: Some contracts are more binding than others, and contracts involving money owed to workers obviously are not binding. At least that is the way the working class, aka the "middle class, in this country is being treated, and with an arrogance that exceeds even yours.
 
 
+14 # MidwestTom 2016-01-30 11:17
Still no word on WHY the Flint river is so acidic. Rivers are naturally basic if they are fed from limestone. It takes a lot of acid to turn a river acidic.
 
 
+11 # lnason@umassd.edu 2016-01-30 11:43
Midwest Tom,

Actually, we understand what happened fairly well.

The Flint River is not particularly polluted. The consultant hired by the city had recommended that the city use Flint River water while doing regular water treatment. The local water authority asserted that they were able to do that so Snyder and Earley approved the plan.

But the Flint Water Authority had never treated water before since they had received fully potable water from Detroit for decades. The Flint Water Authority initially did not add enough (or perhaps even any) sodium hypochlorite to the water which allowed e coli contamination (from agricultural fields and municipal sewage treatment plants upstream) to persist. When people (rightfully) complained, Flint increased the hypochlorite amounts as was justified but failed to adjust the pH with sodium pyrophosphate (or an alternative strong base) which was necessary to avoid the pipe corrosion that allowed the lead to leach into the drinking water.

If you (or anyone else) have any questions, please email me directly at lnason@umassd.edu.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
-28 # MidwestTom 2016-01-30 12:21
Thanks, so it was in incompotence of the water department employees.
 
 
+17 # MidwestDick 2016-01-30 18:39
Mr Nason:
I don't know what kind of vig you are getting from the Koch mob, but whatever they're paying you isn't enough.
So, for the extra 10% bonus, what is the real story behind the story that after they discovered what they were doing they hushed it up. Was that just a modest engineering miscalculation by well meaning but harried engineers?
Probably!
And of course the framistat was missing on the powalda, and nobody could have anticipated that. Just send me a note at dick@loadsofbs.com and I'll straighten you out.
 
 
-24 # MidwestTom 2016-01-30 11:53
Interesting comment of pension obligations.

We here in Illinois are faced with the same but a much larger problem. Illinois is still not paying it's electricity bills. State aid to schools has shrunk. Our Governor thinks that we should only spend what comes in, without borrowing or raising taxes, and we already are the highest tax state in the union. The state has cancelled most of it's support for state universities, and the universities are now cancelling students who cannot pay their way. The Democrats introduced a bill to provide $650 million in student aid, but with no way to pay for it, so the Governor vetoed it.

However, our former state highway workers are enjoying their $100,000+ state pensions that grow a minimum of 3% per year. No wonder GE decided against Illinois for their new headquarters.
 
 
+32 # economagic 2016-01-30 18:26
Sorry, I have colleagues in Illinois and read the posts on their e-list.

Illinois is by no means the "highest tax state" by any measure and never has been. Figures from the Tax Foundation are probably the most reliable, and for 2011 (the most recent year available online) they ranked Illinois no. 13, with NY no. 1 as is almost always the case unless NJ tops them in a given year. CNN/Money ranks Illinois no. 29 (for 2002), but their figures appear not to be calculated correctly.

The governments of Illinois and of its biggest city are notoriously corrupt, but I would like to see your source for the figure of $100,000, presumably annually, for a pension for any highway worker in any state except for political appointees. If indeed the State of Illinois is still paying its retired employees, it is probably because somebody has something on the governor.

Illinois is not a poor state. It has a fully adequate tax base. To the extent that state services and obligations are underfunded it is because its officials, like those of Michigan, prefer austerity for the 99 percent, state-sponsored prosperity for themselves.
 
 
+20 # MidwestDick 2016-01-30 18:57
The governor won't agree to a budget that doesn't have right to work for less provisions. Right to work for less is a battle cry raised by the confederacy so that they might continue to promulgate de facto slavery. It looks like they actually won that pesky war of northern aggression after all.
All thanks to you, colonel tom.
 
 
+9 # PaineRad 2016-01-30 12:07
"Shrank" is the past tense of to shrink. "Shrunk" is a participle tense.
 
 
+42 # reiverpacific 2016-01-30 12:35
Quoting Roland:
"The story of Flint, Mich., is not only the story of dirty water and derelict environmental officials that has dominated the news. The unsung story is that of imprudence that made some sort of catastrophe almost inevitable.

Flint changed its water supply to save money. In the process, it failed to add chemicals that would prevent the new, more acidic water from eroding lead from ancient city pipes supplying as many as 100,000 people.

At bottom, however, it’s not a water crisis; it’s a benefits crisis. Flint’s money shortage came about largely from high municipal pension obligations and a retiree health plan that could not be properly funded after the biggest taxpayer, General Motors, moved out.

The city’s population shrunk, the city budget shrunk, and wages shrunk, but benefits for retirees could not shrink because of protections in the state constitution. Currently, pensions and retiree health care consume 33% of general fund expense and 20% of all city spending. The city has been in receivership since December 2011.

Flint is not the first victim of excessive municipal benefits—and it won’t be the last." Barron's Magazine


Only a fucking, twisted, yapping, non-compassiona te reactionary would try to rationalize a criminal act and a crime against humanity.
By your mores shall you know them! Your's are subterranean.
Still welcome back -it's been a while since you trolled this site and we need a change of whipping boy for a wee bit.
 
 
-43 # Roland 2016-01-30 13:48
Don't be an ass and pretend to know how much sympathy I have for those affected by this.
 
 
+34 # reiverpacific 2016-01-30 15:10
Quoting Roland:
Don't be an ass and pretend to know how much sympathy I have for those affected by this.


You are making yourself an ass by your very insertion of reaction into this article. So don't try to rationalize it.
I DO know something about Water Treatment and distribution piping design and construction first hand and have thought long about this since the great Mr Moore brought it to the nation -and some of the world's attention.
The first part though, is to recall the criminals who profited by this criminal, cynical poisoning and bar them from ever holding a Public Works job again. "Public Works" y'know; that bastion of "Socialism" which -in most communities at least- makes good, essential use of taxes, trains and retains constantly-test ed valuable, dedicated, well-paid, trusted employees.
Just in case you had thought that this should all be privatized.
 
 
-19 # Roland 2016-01-30 16:25
You make the wrong accusation, that I have no compassion for the people hurt by this and then you say I shouldn’t bring up the reason the people in charge were in charge.

I also think you skipped part of the article I posted above. I will capitalize the words that it appears you missed in the article I posted above. “The story of Flint, Mich., IS NOT ONLY the story of dirty water and derelict environmental officials that has dominated the news. The unsung story is that of imprudence that made SOME SORT of catastrophe almost inevitable.”
 
 
+24 # reiverpacific 2016-01-30 19:23
Quoting Roland:
You make the wrong accusation, that I have no compassion for the people hurt by this and then you say I shouldn’t bring up the reason the people in charge were in charge.

I also think you skipped part of the article I posted above. I will capitalize the words that it appears you missed in the article I posted above. “The story of Flint, Mich., IS NOT ONLY the story of dirty water and derelict environmental officials that has dominated the news. The unsung story is that of imprudence that made SOME SORT of catastrophe almost inevitable.”


And you typically want to place the blame in the lap of the public sector.
In this case it may well be, as the whole boiling from the governor on down, are Republican and dedicated to profit -no matter how mean and measly- over public service.
BTW, I never wrote that you had no compassion for the victims of this human rights crime but that y'r words connote an anti-populist thrust.
 
 
+9 # economagic 2016-01-30 18:29
"Flint is not the first victim of excessive municipal benefits—and it won’t be the last." Barron's Magazine

"Only a fucking, twisted, yapping, non-compassiona te reactionary would try to rationalize a criminal act and a crime against humanity." reiverpacific

I guess that would also include Barron's!
 
 
+38 # Madmedic 2016-01-30 13:01
Quoting Roland:

t is not the first victim of excessive municipal benefits—and it won’t be the last." Barron's Magazine


Such a typical Right Wing shill! Totally deflect the discussion from the real subject ... poisoning of a minority population in a large American city and then try to blame it all on a group of those nasty "Gubmint" retirees. It was the Governor's hand selected "emergency manager" that exercised literal life and death power over the citizens in Flint. The emergency managers had total control over what government did in each of the cities they were assigned dictatorship over and the one in Flint obviously cut a corner that he/she shouldn't have cut in an obvious attempt to "save the state money" that they would then refund to their wealthy friends in the form of tax cuts, only this time it backfired and is going to cost all of the state's $600 M rainy day fund plus the state's supposed $600 M. budget surplus to fix the immediately obvious problems.

Only in the Neofascist accounting handbook is a $1.2 billion expense (and probably a lot more in the long run) regarded as a saving to the government. You defenders of this right wing stupidity need to just be told that your economic theories are for shi*t, as they have proved to be in Flint and across the nation over the last thirty years. They are failing now, just as they did in Herbert Hoover's time.
 
 
-45 # Roland 2016-01-30 16:04
You really don't remember the past do you? It was the democrats and the unions (public and private) that put Flint and Detroit into the situation where the state had to come in to fix the mess.
 
 
+31 # MidwestDick 2016-01-30 19:37
Nobody is mentioning the enormous fraud committed in the financial sector for the troubled condition of pension funds. While some, not all, pension funds were underfunded and the employer ( the state) did not match employee contributions as promised, a much more significant contributor to pension shortfalls was the epidemic of fraud that struck the economic sector, especially during the Bush regime.
 
 
+9 # rxfxworld 2016-02-01 01:31
Speaking of the past, Roland, kindly recall the fact that GM was started in Flint and the city was prosperous as was GM until the late 70's and unions were strong during the most prosperous period, from 1940 to 1980's. Decades of stagnant corporate design and quality thinking allowed Japanese cars to tumble GM from its perch. As it fell, the jobs did too and whites left the town eroding its tax base as well as leaving behind the poor blacks. That's how Detroit and Flint got to be where they are today. Yes, corruption played a part and as power and demographics changed it was first white corruption, then black corruption as the jackals circled the carcasses of both cities. Now it's white corruption Snyder first destroys Benton Harbor to make a rich white private golf course out of deeded public land in a poor black community and of course poisoning the kids of Flint in order to save some money. MM is quoting one set of figures. I've read that the cost of adding anti-corrosives was $200,000 and it was nixed by Snyder's City Manager.
 
 
+42 # Anarchist 23 2016-01-30 15:00
'Flint' did not change its water supply. An NON ELECTED city manager changed the water supply and the hell with the collective peoples of Flint!
 
 
+26 # kalpal 2016-01-30 16:10
The Guardians Of Privilege are never at fault for any actions they force upon the poor.
 
 
+9 # RLF 2016-01-31 06:38
"Excessive benefits" say you...other people might say Goldman/Sucks invested the pension fund into Mortgage backed securities and then bet against them or some such rich people rip off mechanism! While a shrinking economy is certainly a hard thing for even the best government to cope with, best is not even close to the crappy government we've got these days at every level.
 
 
+8 # rxfxworld 2016-02-01 01:17
"The story of Flint, Mich., is not only the story of dirty water and derelict environmental officials that has dominated the news. The unsung story is that of imprudence that made some sort of catastrophe almost inevitable."
Pretty slick sleight of hand to avoid placing responsibility where it lies--the Governor and his chosen City Manager. And why not blame the victims while you're at it. That phrase "derelict environmental officials" says it all. It's exactly as Barron's handled the 2008 financial meltdown, blamed it on the supposed greed of people who bought houses they couldn't afford, neglecting completely the fraudulent practices of the mortgage purveyors like Countrywide or the casino that was the derivatives game and the role of the bought and paid for ratings agencies, S&P and Moody's and the big banks who enriched their top owners then came for a bailout to taxpayers, then paid themselves bonuses with taxpayer money--that is the story line Barron's doesn't take. So once again it's the Flint citizens who compounded the sin of their poverty by being predominantly black. Gov. Snyder and his appointees are innocent lambs. No. They're not the lambs cause it's the citizens who get fleeced. Gov and Co. are the hyenas coming for the kill.
 
 
+41 # davidh7426 2016-01-30 11:07
Just curious but when does this piece of human garbage called Snyder come up for re-election ??

He believes himself untouchable, but just how untouchable can a person be if they need to ask permission from the people to be allowed to keep their job.

Perhaps it's time that the people of Michigan reminded Synder and his cronies of this fact by starting the campaign for his successor now, rather than waiting until the MSM has forgotten about Flint, and while it's still 'fresh' in peoples minds.
 
 
+5 # Madmedic 2016-01-31 20:29
$nyder is term limited and this is his last term, so he truly is untouchable. The term limit system started in Michigan at the beginning of the second term of republican Gov. John Engler. Engler got elected gov. and then shepherded a bill through the legislature to limit future governors to two terms, of course he and his buddies set it up so that he was sworn into his second term only hours before the term limit legislation took effect, allowing him to serve a third term, despite all future governors being limited to only two terms. At the time Dems. pretty much controlled the governorship of Michigan. It probably never occurred to the reps. that someday a rep. governor might come along who would serve two terms and they would want him/her to run for a third or even fourth term. In essence they created the trap that bars $nyder from an additional term, although I suspect that they might have tried to get the term limits for Gov. changed to allow him to stay on had he not screwed the pooch so badly over the Flint water issue.

You do realize that before this current embarrassment came along $nyder was being touted as a possible republican candidate for President of the US? I believe there was even an exploratory committee for his candidacy established, although I couldn't swear to that!
 
 
-75 # Roland 2016-01-30 11:10
In regards to his #10. The idea as he knows is to bring back corporations by lowering taxes. Many were chased away by poor democrat and union control over the past decades. It takes time to get businesses to react to a better tax environment.
If the state is going to help and invest money to get things turned around they should have control. The failing cities had put themselves in that position.
 
 
+48 # DaveEwoldt 2016-01-30 12:04
You're really good with the discredited talking points. Corporations, for the most part, don't really care about taxes--except really short-sighted ones, of course. Educated workforce, overall environment, and logistics are of much higher concern.

You're trying to make it sound as if union members lived like potentates, when they were just solidly middle class. All you're doing with your little screed is outing yourself as a sociopath.
 
 
-21 # Roland 2016-01-30 16:28
How does GE's move from CT. fit into your ideas about corporations not caring about taxes?

Not to mention all the corporate inversions we have seen over the last few years,
 
 
+14 # DaveEwoldt 2016-01-31 12:50
Let's see. GE. Might it have something to do with wanting to shirk their cleanup responsibilitie s for poisoning the Hudson River with PCBs? Or any of their more recent corporate crimes?
 
 
+12 # Radscal 2016-01-31 18:56
Is that the same GE that paid ZERO Federal Income Tax, and actually got $ millions in tax rebates, and $ tens of billions in military contracts?

The GE that offshored hundreds of thousands of jobs, and whose CEO, Jeffery Immelt, President CareBear appointed as "Jobs Czar?"

That GE?
 
 
+2 # Madmedic 2016-02-02 10:04
Quoting Roland:
In regards to his #10. The idea as he knows is to bring back corporations by lowering taxes. Many were chased away by poor democrat and union control over the past decades. It takes time to get businesses to react to a better tax environment.
If the state is going to help and invest money to get things turned around they should have control. The failing cities had put themselves in that position.


What a right wing crock of Crap! The EM program had nothing to do with bringing back business to Michigan and everything to do with subverting local government so they could force out the poor from those cities and give the "tax savings" (obtained from short changing the largely minority cities) to their rich cronies in the form of tax cuts and tax rebates. Then, PERHAPS, after they had driven (or killed off) all of the poor from those cities they and their cronies could have bought up the vacant land for pennies on the dollar and resold it to corporations for huge profits at a later date.

Mighty funny that the only places where emergency managers were instituted were in minority dominated cities cities, when many smaller non minority municipalities in Northern Michigan have had dire financial troubles for decades, but the Gov. didn't appoint EMs for them! These predominantly white locales were quietly "helped" (bailed out) by the State of Michigan WITHOUT the need to appoint an EMEGENCY MANAGERS for them.
 
 
+3 # Madmedic 2016-02-02 10:30
Quoting Roland:
The idea as he knows is to bring back corporations by lowering taxes. It takes time to get businesses to react to a better tax environment.


God I love the smell of stupidity in the Morning! It smells like victory!

Roland, your ignorant statements like the above are exactly what is going to give the Dems. election victories later this year.

The idea that "... he knows is going to bring back corporations by lowering taxes" is just the same old "trickle down' snake oil (garbage) that St Ronnie peddled from his medicine wagon over thirty years ago.

Just like with the discredited "give the jobs creators enough tax cuts and they will create a working man's paradise full of jobs" That theory is full of something, but it ain't jobs I'm smellin.'

Modern day tax cuts have proven to create only one thing in this country ... FATTER BANK ACCOUNTS for the already rich and well connected (the 1%). The rest of us are left holding the bag to pay for everything government does, including paying for a defense establishment that is primarily there not to protect us, the common folk, but the wealth of the rich in this country.

Even some of the most limited in this nation are finally catching on that they've been had by the Republican's scam and will turn on them. Probably when they finally put real "Family Values" ... being able to support their own family ... over the thrill of controlling others' lives with their votes on "social issues."
 
 
+32 # Kwamined 2016-01-30 11:13
Snyder and his minions deserve to be tarred and feathered then run out of town on a rail. After that, I would be happy to volunteer for the firing squad that executes them.
 
 
+42 # reiverpacific 2016-01-30 11:13
What can we add but thanks to Mr Moore for blowing the worldwide whistle on the de-humanizing Republican filthy tricks machine in full flow.
People don't matter -especially if they have dark skins- but GM and Nestle's welfare is taken care of.
I have to repeat myself again, where's Obama's DEQ in this? and in fact OSHA, as people have been working with this shit too.
It's making the US look even LESS of a Democracy than it is and this little portion of the Third World is not being upgraded; the Feds are the ones who'd be funding the State to building a new Water Treatment Plant.
How come a "State of Emergency" (human-criminal ly caused) hasn't been declared.
This is Human Rights abuse first and foremost and the whole boiling of these criminal hauled before the UN.
Any Lawyers out there who could comment on the means or methods of prosecution available and what category it would fall into?
 
 
-37 # lnason@umassd.edu 2016-01-30 11:55
Michael Moore is whistling past the graveyard with this story which is wholly factual but omits mention of most of the relevant facts.

The all Democrat City Council voted to curtail the water supply contract with Detroit on March 25, 2015. The Flint Water Authority had unsuccessfully tried to do this well before Snyder or Earley were involved in trying to save the city from bankruptcy. The Flint Water Authority had, for decades, wanted to do this because they did not like the rate increases that Detroit had been imposing on them.

Snyder and the Emergency Manager Darnell Earley (a black, long-time Democratic Party operative) are not water treatment or hydraulic engineers and, with some negotiations on finance and alternatives, rubber-stamped the proposal which had already been approved by the City government.

The incompetent and unsafe water treatment was done by the local water authority personnel.

Blaming Snyder or Earley for not adding enough sodium hypochlorite or sodium pyrophosphate to the water is akin to blaming President Obama for bombing a Medicines sans Frontiers Hospital or blaming Hillary Clinton for causing the Benghazi massacre.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+21 # economagic 2016-01-30 18:34
"Whistling . . ." indeed. Mr. Moore's version of story is no more partial, in either meaning of the word, than yours, which seems to absolve the governor of all responsibility for the consequences of his actions ("accountabilit y" being only for the chumps). It has been widely noted of late that he knew what was happening at least by early 2015 and chose to do nothing. The law requires more.
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2016-02-01 16:36
It's not true that Snyder did nothing.

He had bottled water sent to state employees in Flint. /s
 
 
+11 # SusanT136 2016-01-31 08:24
[quote name="lnason@umassd.edu"
Blaming Snyder or Earley for not adding enough sodium hypochlorite or sodium pyrophosphate to the water is akin to blaming President Obama for bombing a Medicines sans Frontiers Hospital or blaming Hillary Clinton for causing the Benghazi massacre.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts

i think it's fair to blame Obama for the drone bombing of a Drs without borders hospital. He has been going ho on using drones, despite increasing evidence of "collateral damage" i.e. innocent civilians, drone attacks should be stopped immediately.

The Clinton/Benghaz i thing is ridiculous. You reveal yourself as a ring wing shill will that comment.

Snyder was informed about the problems with the water. He took care of GM but left the people of Flint to suffer. For that level of inhumanity to over 100,000 people including 9,000 children he deserves to go to prison.
 
 
-22 # lnason@umassd.edu 2016-01-30 11:56
Erratum. The City Council vote was on March 25, 2013. Sorry -- typo.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+30 # pegasus4508 2016-01-30 13:18
When they had the AUTHORITY to change the water, they MAY have voted that way. However, that in NO way addresses the issues of the additive that was needed, NOR the fact of the actual matter - it was an EMERGENCY MANAGER who decided in 2014 to make the switch. Long after the mayor and the city council had been stripped of their elected duties. Please try to keep up and stop defending the soulless solution to save a few dollars. Emergency managers report directly to the Governor - Synder. So the fault will always be at their feet. Try to brush it away as you may...
 
 
+3 # Radscal 2016-02-01 16:39
Not that I expect this person or thing to respond, but my understanding is that the City Council agreed to looking into switching to river water, and ordered a study done.

The results of the study were that the river water would not be safe, and so they rejected the plan.
 
 
+27 # bbaldwin2001 2016-01-30 11:59
Michael Moore is a one in a million man. He cares, really cares about what has happened in Flint.... and he will dog tail this until it is finished. I would start out by recalling that stupid governor. We have a lot of governors that are stupid - mine is in Texas with his hand out. Wake up people Flint MI is in big trouble because its Governor decided he needed to save some money. Sorry Gov hope you end up in jail.
 
 
+15 # bbaldwin2001 2016-01-30 11:59
Michael Moore is a one in a million man. He cares, really cares about what has happened in Flint.... and he will dog tail this until it is finished. I would start out by recalling that stupid governor. We have a lot of governors that are stupid - mine is in Texas with his hand out. Wake up people Flint MI is in big trouble because its Governor decided he needed to save some money. Sorry Gov hope you end up in jail.
 
 
+3 # tenayaca 2016-01-31 09:31
Is there a RECALL underway yet? Please start one NOW!
 
 
+30 # elkingo 2016-01-30 12:33
One is beyond aghast. The thing speaks for itself, and is easily verifiable. These "folks" have imposed what amounts to a fascist coup on the city of Flint (and elsewhere) with what amounts to foisting a medieval-like plague on its residents. Resignation? Arrest? I'm thinking more like firing-squad. If poisoning the population, out of sheer egregious greed, proceeding from the ingrained Repathologican mentality isn't a crimes against humanity, what is. And "up" GM - while poisoning the "niggers"??!! John Calvin twirls in his grave in delight. What we have here is the purest example of theological capitalism. And o, the children, the children. This is counter to the survival of the species.
 
 
+13 # elkingo 2016-01-30 12:34
And Shades 'o -
Goddamn right! Somebody tell Bernie to get on Flint!
 
 
+5 # tenayaca 2016-01-31 09:30
Bernie was the first to demand the governor's resignation
 
 
-28 # switch 2016-01-30 14:22
Do you really believe the Governor made the decision to save $9,000?
Even the city manager probably had little to do w/that, other than set the budget. He's responsible for Police, Fire, trash pickup, water, code enforcement,... . I really doubt if got down to the level of decided what treatments to give the water.
 
 
+29 # kalpal 2016-01-30 16:17
Do I believe the Guardians Of Privilege stand, ready, willing and able to screw over anyone who ca't afford to resist? Yes, I do. I truly do.

There is not a single known instance in the past 35 years where the GOP has stood with the general public against the wishes of the rich and filthy rich.
 
 
+34 # Madmedic 2016-01-30 16:25
[quote name="switch"]D o you really believe the Governor made the decision to save $9,000?

/quote]
In a word YES,

Oh ye of zero reading comprehension!

What don't you understand about the Governor being directly in charge of the Emergency Managers program.
Not only does this buck stop with him, so does every quarter, dime, nickel and penny.

Payment for cleaning up this mess should all come directly out of Snyder's personal bank account, investments, home equity and retirement, before one penny of taxpayer money is spent. After he is reduced to the same abject poverty he was so willing to inflict on the minority populations of Flint, Benton Harbor, Detroit, etc. he should then be put in prison for the rest of his life for this failed Orwellian/Darwi nian economic experiment. After all, the residents of these cities ARE human beings, making Snyder's crimes truly crimes against humanity.

His cynical social experiments in those cities are now resulting in tragedies worthy of Adolph Hitler and Joseph Mengele. The main difference between the holocaust they caused and the one Snyder is causing in Michigan is the skin color of their victims. Certainly someone will accuse me of hyperbole, but how much worse is it to have gassed innocents to death than to have forced them to consume poisons that will cause them to suffer from retardation, social dysfunction, genetic defects, unemployment and God only knows what other afflictions for the rest of their lives?
 
 
+13 # Cassandra2012 2016-01-30 17:41
The buck stops.... WHERE? These Tea-pugnicans are morally bankrupt criminals.
Those making inane excuses for their self-serving, and toadying-to-the -wealthy behavior are deliberately ignorant lowlifes.
 
 
+16 # Anarchist 23 2016-01-30 15:02
The REAL Terrorists
 
 
+20 # OldJD 2016-01-30 15:36
So, this is how Gov. Snyder is reinventing government in Michigan. Heaven help us from this Republican concept.
 
 
+14 # Cassandra2012 2016-01-30 17:44
Stand by, there are definitely more horrors from the Teapugnicans to come... in Illinois, with Buy-the=electio n-Rauner, and already begun in Wisconsin with Walker.
 
 
+23 # Woratnac 2016-01-30 18:16
Snyder should "resign or" be jailed? This guy needs to resign AND be imprisoned for a good long time. Also: I have yet to see anyone writing about the massive indictment of American capitalism this is -- along with Porter Ranch and other horrors like the huge fracked-gas pipeline now scheduled to pass within 105 feet from Indian Point nuclear power plant, the nation's most accident-ridden since it was built.
 
 
+13 # angelfish 2016-01-30 22:37
There is not enough money in the State of Michigan to compensate the people who have been Maliciously/Ign orantly poisoned by this Governor's WILLFUL ignorance and indifference to human life! The mere fact that he KNEW, at the very least, a YEAR before warning anyone, speaks Volumes to, not only his ignorance and indifference, but but to his lack of humanity as well!
 
 
+3 # chapdrum 2016-01-31 00:29
What happens in one place will (theoretically) happen every place.
 
 
+6 # tenayaca 2016-01-31 09:28
WHY aren't these officials being ARRESTED? Is it now LEGAL in our country to POISON an entire city of people without consequences (I mean for perpetrators)? Are the people of Michigan ready to THROW OUT these elected officials...REP UBLICANS? And why has the Democratic Party not been all over this issue? Is there ANY organizing presence there?
 
 
+7 # Madmedic 2016-01-31 17:09
Quoting tenayaca:
WHY aren't these officials being ARRESTED? Is it now LEGAL in our country to POISON an entire city of people without consequences (I mean for perpetrators)? Are the people of Michigan ready to THROW OUT these elected officials...REPUBLICANS? And why has the Democratic Party not been all over this issue? Is there ANY organizing presence there?


Good questions all, but the answer to all of them stems from the same root. Michigan has silently become a neofascist dictatorship run by the governor and a republican majority in both houses of the legislature ... This is what the rest of the country is headed for unless you all wake up and organize and vote!! Not just in the Presidential election, but the off year elections, too.

After Michigan voters discovered the abuses of the Emergency Managers (EM) program they conducted a successful ballot initiative to eliminate the EM act, but the republican legislature immediately reintroduced the same EM legislation tied to a funding bill, which cannot be eliminated through a ballot initiative, thereby reinstating the Governor's EM appointing authority.

Make no mistake about it, Michigan is a horribly gerrymandered republican neofascist police state (note the large state trooper goon who now always stands behind $nyder when he speaks publicly) ... looks like he just stepped out of a gangster movie's central casting. Michigan is the GOP's dictatorship test lab & $nyder is its sociopathic Dr. Mengele.
 
 
+5 # Madmedic 2016-01-31 17:31
Quoting tenayaca:


Are the people of Michigan ready to THROW OUT these elected officials...REPUBLICANS? And why has the Democratic Party not been all over this issue? Is there ANY organizing presence there?



In direct response to some of your questions, the neofascist republicans (reps) in Michigan have eliminated virtually all of their opposition by stripping employee collective bargaining rights from the unions there.

If Obama and the Federal government do not act against $nyder and his minions, there will be NO JUSTICE for the poisoned children of Flint. Michigan justice is controlled by the rep. Gov., both rep. houses of the legislature and a neofascist rep. State Supreme Court that ensure that real justice in that State is obtainable only by the wealthy and well connected.

Let Michigan and Flint's experience in this regard serve as a warning to the rest of the country. This ... a genuine dictatorship, is what happens when you only vote for a Democrat or Independent for President but ignore other offices or sit out local off year elections.

Make no mistake about it. Michigan has become a rep(ublican) neofascist dictatorship ala Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where you can vote any way you want, but it will always wind up being run by republican policies. Don't ask me how you change it short of a true, perhaps violent, revolution. Their grip is that tight. BE VERY CONCERNED. IT'S HEADED YOUR WAY BECAUSE IT WORKS!!
 
 
+7 # newell 2016-01-31 17:19
Do you remember how in the beginning of "A Tale of Two Cities" --a speeding nobleman's coach ran over a child with no consequence. I don't believe in violence--it makes things worse--but I do believe in justice. So I ask myself what would hurt these people more than a dull guillotine? take away all their money and make them live in real poverty. That is the nightmare of the rich and powerful. That would be justice.
 
 
+5 # Madmedic 2016-01-31 19:59
Quoting newell:
I ask myself what would hurt these people more than a dull guillotine? take away all their money and make them live in real poverty. That is the nightmare of the rich and powerful. That would be justice.


You are spot on, but you must take away their ability to buy justice by taking away their wealth BEFORE they can use it to buy their way out of whatever predicament they find themselves in. That is why in a previous post I very specifically stated that FIRST you take away ALL of $nyder's resources before you prosecute and maybe jail him. With these types you must take whatever legal action is necessary to strip away their ability to defend their actions, just as they always strip away the unions' (financial) ability to fight them before these despots truly start their depredations.
 
 
+3 # newell 2016-02-01 11:29
Agree.
 
 
+9 # Robbee 2016-01-31 17:52
see also -

Michigan Officials Quietly Gave Bottled Water to State Employees Months Before Flint
By Bryce Covert, ThinkProgress
29 January 16
 
 
+6 # Madmedic 2016-01-31 19:47
Quoting Robbee:
see also -

Michigan Officials Quietly Gave Bottled Water to State Employees Months Before Flint
By Bryce Covert, ThinkProgress
29 January 16


Sure, they didn't want the rate they pay for their state employees health insurance to go up when the truth was revealed, or the employees started keeling over. You can bet it had nothing to do with worrying about their employees' potential health issues other than from a purely economic standpoint.
 

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