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Excerpt: "Reich sat down with Yahoo Finance Editor-in-Chief Andy Serwer for an interview before a live audience and laid out his argument for why so-called outsider candidates like Donald Trump on the Republican side and Bernie Sanders on the Democratic side are having a moment."

Robert Reich. (photo: Richard Morgenstein)
Robert Reich. (photo: Richard Morgenstein)


Robert Reich: Trump Is Not a Passing Fad

By Yahoo Finance

30 October 15

 

onald Trump is not going away, says noted political economist and former Labor Secretary Robert Reich.

Reich sat down with Yahoo Finance Editor-in-Chief Andy Serwer for an interview before a live audience at LiveTalksLA and laid out his argument for why so-called outsider candidates like Donald Trump on the Republican side and Bernie Sanders on the Democratic side are having a moment.

�Remember the context,� said Reich, who served in the cabinet of his former Yale Law School Classmate, Bill Clinton. �Today, we have wider inequality than we�ve had by some measures since the 1890s, by other measures since the 1920s. We have more of not only the income going to the top, but also the wealth at the top.�

That, according to Reich, is the context that some political analysts are missing when it comes to Trump and Sanders and their sudden, surging popularity among the American people.

�The thing that is always difficult for political analysts and others to gauge is � when I come back to this term, �populist upsurge� � the tipping point happens very quickly,� he said. �Most political analysts are always looking in the rear view mirror; they�re not actually looking at how the current political economy affects people�s opinions, their politics, their economic status and so forth.�

In his new book, �Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few,� Reich makes an impassioned argument that there has been a fundamental shift in American politics. In the book, he somewhat presciently predicted that the future of American politics will not be about Republican versus Democrat, but rather establishment versus anti-establishment.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump �are populist and they really do talk about overthrowing � not with these words � the establishment political order.�

Reich elicited laughter from the live audience when he wondered aloud about the possibility of the Presidential horse race coming down to Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, but he also pointed out that the deniers, so far, have been wrong about the staying power of these two candidates.

�Donald Trump � I think despite the fact the press keeps on saying he�s done, this is just a passing fad � he�s not a passing fad,� he said. �I�m beginning to hear columnists and pundits say maybe the Republicans need to accept the fact that he�s going to be their nominee.�

Trump still leads in national polls and trails only Ben Carson in Iowa. The New York real estate developer and reality TV star might have a better shot than Sanders, according to Reich, but even a Sanders candidacy is not out of the question.

Reich acknowledges that based on current polling, it�s unlikely that Bernie Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee. But he also points out that based on the measure of enthusiasm, which is what ultimately drives voters to the polls, Sanders could still have a chance.

�If you measure by enthusiasm - hard to measure - but 20,000; 30,000; 40,000 people showing up for Bernie Sanders rallies, it may be that Bernie Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee.�

Reich says that while Trump and Sanders are clearly very different, they bear one significant thing in common. Each one has unleashed a populist movement that could gain enough momentum to create what he calls a countervailing power forceful enough to overthrow the current political establishment.

�I can�t say that in 2016, either one of these individuals will become President,� said Reich. �But the forces that have been unleashed are unmistakable and bear a very strong resemblance to what we�ve seen in other periods historically before you had enough countervailing power to actually have political change.�

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0 # Walter J Smith 2013-08-04 08:17
The empire's satrapies revolt!

Springtime may come to the US after all.

Obama or Nobama.
 
 
+8 # 666 2013-08-04 08:37
"A Realist would say, if you want a friend, buy a dog! Clearly Putin knows this."

-- we've already got a pack of pet dogs, they're called the EU
 
 
+15 # RLF 2013-08-04 13:08
Italy is not too happy since we refused to extradite a bunch of kidnappers just because they happen to work for the CIA! The nerve!
 
 
-4 # Mohanraj 2013-08-04 08:51
'A Realist would say, if you want a friend, buy a dig! Clearly Putin knows this. What does he know? He knows that America has a dog -- then a ferocious bulldog; now a bootlicking poodle.
V.M.Mohanraj
 
 
+6 # JJMK3 2013-08-04 08:55
I hate to say this but ( MEANING I CAN HARDLY WAIT TO BLURT IT OUT FOR YOUR EARS) Russia has been around for some time folks, the U.S.A. is a new gathering stop on this "Smallish Planet we call Home. Earth." Living in a few small communities over the years I have repeatedly seen New Comers move in and try to change/fix things more toward their liking. Lastest is a guy trying to have a LOCAL limestone quarry closed down. He thinks it too noisy. One of the only employer here; been on going for near 100 years but it he has no stake there sooooooo go......... "ones Perspective, Over-rides ONES BRAIN- OFTEN."
 
 
0 # slocan 2013-08-04 09:03
Jaun Cole sneaky apologist for the United States government. This guy is another variation of the beltway journalist. Russia gives asylum to Snowden and it hits the government like a "hydrogen bomb". Really like many of the poor fools in the two houses thought the Russians would send Snowden back-because the US gov asked nicely (no torture and death penalty) and because they both screw the rest of the world when they can. Sort of good buddies at the frat house? Juan Cole spins the same stories and never digs down into them at all. Compare his writing to Glen Greenwald's. Yup not even close. Juan never mentions Obama in the same breath as the sort of bad things other people are accusing the US government of. His writing in the end comes across as naive and purposely manipulative.
 
 
-4 # Rick Levy 2013-08-04 19:32
Juan Cole the radical being criticized as an apologist for the U.S. government? And so it begins: liberal/ progressives start eating their own children.
 
 
+8 # Red Malibu 2013-08-04 10:00
And also, countries consist of groups (oligarchs, if you like) sharing power whose interests may sometimes be at odds. The Snowden Affair is fascinating in that it leads us to wonder who and what these groups are, and to look at broader alignments than "national interests".
It's possible that the real value of Snowdens leaks are the revelations during the political aftermath- and isn't it possible that he knows this?
 
 
+9 # Johnny 2013-08-04 10:17
Many of the observations by Juan Cole, the Mossad mole, are misleading. Clearly, financial sanctions against Iran, support for the terrorist attack against Syria, and saber rattling against North Korea do not serve any interests of the United States. They serve only the multinational banking elite whose hegemony depends on perpetuating a world of war and chaos.
 
 
+10 # Douglas Jack 2013-08-04 10:33
Good article & evaluations, but add # 6. LIBYA, as a better place of analysis for what is going down in US-Russian relations as a future guide to US-Can-NATO-Isr ael plans for Syria & Iran.

The US, Canada, NATO & Israel Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial Complex are arming dissidents in over 80 countries worldwide for the purposes of war & resource acquisition. 40% of our export economies are tied to arms, munitions & security. We are making a killing worldwide through a generally held religious belief in confrontation & biblical armageddon.

Russia, China & the world's non-aligned nations are becoming increasingly concerned about our death-spiral economy bringing the whole world to economic & ecological collapse. Libya is a point of horror, with mainstream media never inquiring or reporting about Libya's role as Africa's #1 development aid investor & donor as well as instigator of irrigation, satellite, universal health-care, employment & education.

Libya's leadership in implementing the African gold-based Dinar as a challenger to US Dollar dominance caused the FMMIC to bomb 40 years of popular Libyan development. 3 Nobel Peace Prize laureates gave their support to Muammar Gaddafi & Libya's Green Party's national & international labours, yet our FMMIC media was completely one sided & the popular mind carries lies unquestioned. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/1-converting-social-media-from-mono-to-dialogue
 
 
+6 # Activista 2013-08-04 12:16
"LIBYA, as a better place of analysis for what is going down in US-Russian relations as a future guide to US-Can-NATO-Isr ael plans for Syria & Iran."
agree - look at Libya now and see how the scenarios of New World Order will play out - destruction and civil war - of course mass media are now quiet when the destruction of Libya is completed ...
 
 
+9 # RLF 2013-08-04 13:11
We don't want any oil producers to be overly stabile. If they hate each other they don't organize to raise prices or change to the Euro.
 
 
+5 # wrknight 2013-08-04 20:51
No Doug. You are overly complicating things. This is all about profit. Nothing more, nothing less. The arms and other war supporting industries around the world and their governments profit from world ferment. Just so long as it stays on other countries' soil.

All the world's warmongers are the sons of the profits.
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2013-08-05 19:32
wrknight, Profit is the driving force but is only shared by very few nations & elites. Arms production is not a worldwide phenomena. Consumption is but determined by producer seeding of wars. You'll be surprised when you look at tables of the leading arms, components, munitions, security (raw materials included) world producers, about how far ahead US, Canada, NATO & Israel are per capita. Tables in Wiki for example don't calculate raw materials & particularly the ownership of corporations involved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry

The key indicators of vicious populations are how much per capita is dependent upon war & death. My own analysis when components (eg. electronics / digital etc) & raw materials are properly calculated is that seemingly innocent Canadian corporations are the biggest players (per capita) in the world. I don't say this with pride, but with alarm because they are making a killing silently & no press is reporting on them. This includes Canadian workers who are making their killing & feeding their families on death. When Whistleblowers such as Manning, Snowden & Assange are risking their lives to save the world, Canadian war, mining, logging, depleted uranium, engineering firms, electronics (eg CAE), aircraft, component manufacturing etc corporations are making a killing as well as destroying the biosphere. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/7-canada-1-war-mongeror
 
 
+13 # luvdoc 2013-08-04 11:01
Realists! Wow! The US would hang every whistleblower by the short hairs if they could.

Thank you Mr Putin
luvdoc
 
 
+2 # Malcolm 2013-08-04 11:04
Obombya to Putin, following a drubbing at St. Andrews:

"You are mean! I'm taking my balls, and going home!"
 
 
+10 # Activista 2013-08-04 11:58
"Charles Schumer, the U.S. Senate's third ranking Democrat and a close Obama ally, accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of trying to antagonize the United States by granting American fugitive Edward Snowden asylum for one year."
these AIPAC drones like Scumer are looking more and more pathetic
 
 
+11 # RLF 2013-08-04 13:12
Schumer is a Wall Street stooge and unfortunately, my senator.
 
 
+8 # wrknight 2013-08-04 20:53
It is viewed by many that granting Snowden temporary asylum in Russia was a hostile act toward the U.S. But to many of us, Russia did us a favor. Many of us view Snowden's action as a brave act of patriotism that should be rewarded rather than condemned.

Clearly, what Snowden did was a whistleblower action. The information released was of little consequence other than to expose the extent to which NSA is abusing its surveillance powers. That NSA is abusing its authority to spy on American citizens is beyond doubt. The exposure of this abuse is nothing more than an embarrassment to the administration that has no impact on national security. By any other name, government abuse is abuse. It is surprising that on the one hand, the government promotes whistleblowing on waste, fraud and abuse, but on the other hand goes to extremes to prosecute anyone who blows the whistle. Who is rewarded and who is punished for whistleblowing is primarily determined not by merit but by politics.

There is no doubt that Snowden could not receive a fair trial in the U.S. and that he would become a political victim if returned to the U.S. Many of us don't want to see that happen.
 
 
+3 # RMDC 2013-08-05 06:10
One of the mantras of top US regime members is "the US has no permanent friends or permanent enemies. Only permanent interests."

If I were Russian I would give up on the US and turn my interests to the SCO and BRICS. The SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) and the BRICS nations are the future of the world. They not only include most of the world's people, but they are nations that have left the old concepts of colonialism behind. Europe and the US are still stuck in the colonialism/imp erialism phase of national development. both of these are grounded in ideas of racial or national supremacy.

Cole is much too skeptical of Putin. Putin is smart and honest. He knows the US intends no good for any nation on earth, particularly Russia. He knows the US is run by pyschopaths like Obama, Cheney, and Bush. No one can deal with psychopaths.

Snowden has a human right to asylum in a nation which will protect him from the illegal punishment by the government of his home state. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that if the US can get its hands on Snowden, he will be tortured and subject to a kangaroo trial just like Manning. Snowden will spend the rest of his life in prison and will be tortured there.

Russia is categorically right to protect Snowden. All of the pissing and moaning from people like McCain or Graham should be ignored. That is what they always do. They are irrelevant. The law is on Putin's side.
 
 
+1 # Jack Gibson 2013-08-06 01:59
Snowden is far from safe in Russia. Recall, the Russian courts and government not too long ago sent one or two of the Pussy Riot young women defendants to the worst gulag slave labor prison camp(s) in Siberia. Putin is a KGB-"al CIAduh(!)" cold warrior, and he and his government are still just as entirely untrustworthy as the U.S. government is. They've got some cards up their sleeve(s), and God only knows what they're going to do with Snowden; but I'd guess that they'll probably help "disappear" him for "al CIAduh(!)"; and, after they've "softened him up" through torture at some black site prison, he'll reappear on U.S. soil, and be falsely tried for what Manning was primarily tried for, "espionage"; even though neither of them did any spying or anything to sell their country out to a foreign power.

The U.S. corporate-fasci st, "Fourth Reich" national "security", totalitarian militarized police state die is cast; and, as far as the psychopaths who run the U.S. government are concerned, Snowden has to be taken down completely, like Manning was. It's all almost over but the next kangaroo "espionage" trial of Snowden, and who knows who else next. A great many of us, it very much looks like. Certainly all those who seek to save the U.S., that's likely. And, in addition to opening up the "new" concentration camps they've built all over the fifty states, they'll get rid of all the real criminal prisoners, and lock up the dissenters in the maximum security "SHU" prisons as well.
 
 
+2 # Jack Gibson 2013-08-06 12:46
But U.S. dissenters probably won't get trials (other than in kangaroo military commissions courts, if that). Most likely we'll only get "hearings"; that will, of course, "justify" and rubberstamp our indefinite detention without trial(s).
 

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