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Simpich writes: "In my previous article, I asked the question 'Who found Oswald's wallet at the murder scene?' Here, I pose another question: Was a phony identification card for 'Alek Hidell' inserted into the wallet after Oswald's arrest?"

A Counterfeit ID found in Oswald's wallet. (photo: Warren Commission Report)
A Counterfeit ID found in Oswald's wallet. (photo: Warren Commission Report)


The Murder of JFK, Part 2: Counterfeit ID Planted in Oswald's Wallet?

By Bill Simpich, Reader Supported News

18 October 15

 

n my previous article, I asked the question “Who found Oswald’s wallet at the murder scene?” 

Here, I pose another question: Was a phony identification card for “Alek Hidell” inserted into the wallet after Oswald’s arrest? “Alek Hidell” was the name used to order the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository the day JFK was killed.

Listen here to Dallas Police Department Officer Gerald Hill discuss the capture of Lee Harvey Oswald on November 22, 1963. [Editor’s note: to cut to the chase, go to 3:17 in the audio file.]

Listen for what Hill does not say:

He does not say anything about “Hidell” or an identification card.

Is this omission significant? I think it is.

My previous article recounted the details. FBI agent Bob Barrett said he saw Oswald’s wallet in the hands of DPD Captain Pinky Westbrook at the scene of the murder of Dallas police office J.D. Tippit on November 22, 1963.

The article also recounted that the arresting officer, Paul Bentley, told a different story. Bentley said he found Oswald’s wallet while frisking him in the police car after leaving the Texas Theatre, where Oswald was arrested on November 22.

Both men say that the wallet contained identification cards for both Lee Harvey Oswald and “Alek Hidell.”

So was Oswald carrying the Alek Hidell ID in his wallet when he was arrested?

He had not been previously seen using the ID card, or the Hidell alias. Oswald wasn’t carrying a “Hidell” ID card in his wallet three months before in August 1963 when he was arrested in New Orleans for fighting with Cuban exiles disturbed by his pro-Castro activism. After his arrest, Oswald said he was in touch with a fellow Castro supporter named “Hidell,” which was a lie.

Questions

If Oswald’s wallet containing the Hidell ID card was found on Oswald’s person on November 22, 1963, why do none of the contemporaneous police reports from that day say anything about “Hidell” or an ID card in another name besides Oswald’s?

Bentley did not say that the Hidell ID was in Oswald’s wallet until June 11, 1964. Bentley never testified to the Warren Commission.

The critical question is not so much whether you believe Oswald created the obviously false Selective Service card identifying him as Alek James Hidell. You can go round and round on that one. (Genuine Selective Service cards did not include a photo.) He could have made the phony card in his job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall, a photographic production company, where he worked for a few months starting in late 1962.

A better question is why would Oswald carry that card in his wallet on November 22? It wasn’t like he was seeking notoriety after JFK was killed. When asked later that day if he had shot the president, Oswald denied it.

Only on November 23 did the finding of the “Hidell” card become public knowledge in a statement made by Henry Wade, the Dallas district attorney.

That statement came just hours after the FBI allegedly discovered early on the morning of November 23 that “Hidell” had ordered the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle thought to have been used in the assassination, and had it delivered to Oswald’s post office box address. Now, for the first time, there was a paper trail supposedly linking the rifle found on the sixth floor to Oswald!

Wallet disputed

Mark Lane, the attorney hired by Lee Oswald’s mother, told the Warren Commission that the Hidell card was only found in the wallet after the discovery of Hidell’s mail order rifle purchase. Nonetheless, the Warren Commission refused to let Lane cross-examine the district attorney about the Hidell card and the rifle.

The Secret Service men present for the interrogation of Oswald in the Dallas Police Department headquarters on November 22 recalled no questions about the “Hidell” ID card. And it wasn’t like they were totally in the dark. Oswald had referred to a man named ”Hidell” as a Fair Play for Cuba Committee leader and was asked about it on November 22.

From November 23 on, the witnesses who wrote reports on November 22 slowly began to remember that Hidell’s ID was in Oswald’s wallet.

Almost everybody’s story was different, which is noteworthy.

Law enforcement officers are trained to include all relevant data in their reports. It’s hard to think of anything more relevant than the supposed finding of the Hidell ID in Oswald’s wallet on November 22.

Were all these witnesses given a secret order to not mention the Hidell name? Unlikely.

Was the Hidell ID planted in Oswald’s wallet after his arrest?

None of the five officers who drove Oswald from the Texas Theater to the police station mentioned Bentley’s discovery of the Hidell ID in their reports, including Bentley himself.

More than a week after November 22, Bentley’s report of Oswald’s arrest says only that “on the way to the city hall…. I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook’s office to make a report of the arrest.”

The date of the report was December 3, a rather disquieting 12-day delay, given Bentley’s claim that he went to Westbrook’s office to file a report immediately after the arrest. In any case, Bentley didn’t mention the Hidell ID.

Gerald Hill told the Warren Commission months later that Bentley had found the ID while en route to police headquarters, recalling that it was the same name that had been used to order the rifle. In contrast, hours after the Hidell ID was discovered, here’s what Hill told NBC:

HILL: The only way we found out what his name was was to remove his billfold and check it ourself; he wouldn’t even tell us what his name was….

Q: What was the name on the billfold?

HILL: Lee H. Oswald. O-S-W-A-L-D.

In a radio interview earlier that afternoon, Hill mesmerized the world by revealing Oswald’s time in the USSR and that he was a “communist.” 

What went unnoticed: On both occasions, Hill said nothing about the phony Hidell ID.

Bentley’s and Hill’s failure to remember the “Hidell” ID was contagious.

A review of the reports filed by other three officers who transported Oswald from the Texas Theater – Charles T Ford (December 2, 1963), Bob Carroll (December 3), and K.E. Lyons (December 4) – shows that none of them said anything about finding the ”Hidell” ID. 

Yet several of them later told the Warren Commission that they remembered the card.

They also claimed that the Hidell alias was passed on to Dallas HQ as they were driving Oswald to the police station at 2 pm – but there is nothing in the radio log.

It appears that the first reference about “Hidell” may have come from George Doughty at the Identification Section of the Dallas police at about 3:15 pm, passing on information about “a selective service card bearing the name of Hidell” to military intelligence officer Robert Jones in San Antonio. 

According to the military intelligence officer, his caller made no reference to “Oswald” aliases, multiple IDs, or that the ID was an obvious counterfeit because it had a photo!

Why would Doughty withhold any of that information? Especially that the draft card was an obvious counterfeit? It was hardly a moment to test the veracity of military intelligence.

Using the information about “Hidell,” military intelligence was able to cross-index “Oswald and Hidell” from files that were mysteriously destroyed in 1973

Right about the same moment that afternoon, Dallas Police intelligence officer Don Stringfellow sent a post to a different military intelligence officer inaccurately claiming that Oswald was a “card carrying Communist” and that he had “defected to Cuba in 1959.” By the end of the day, this information was sent to the U.S. Strike Command at Fort MacDill in Florida, the base prepared for any attack to be launched against Cuba. Some people were ready to see an attack on Cuba.

Some basic questions should be asked: During that long afternoon, what did the Dallas police know about Oswald? Which officers knew what? And how? 

By 10 pm on November 22, FBI agent Manning Clements questioned Oswald and reviewed the contents of his wallet on the desk. Clements said that the Hidell ID was inside the wallet at that time, but Oswald wouldn’t answer any questions about it. Clements’ inventory of the wallet cites the Hidell ID, but was not dictated until November 23

Did Bentley plant the Hidell ID on Oswald on November 22?

Another approach is to look at the consistent statements made by FBI agent Barrett that Westbrook asked him about both Oswald and Tippit at the Hidell murder scene.

JFK researcher Jones Harris suggested that it was logical for patrolmen to avoid referring to the Hidell IDs in their reports. Aliases were common but were not within many officers’ areas of expertise – the authenticity of something like the Hidell ID might be entrusted to a “bunko squad.”

With a horrified world watching on TV, there was pressure to cinch the case as fast as possible and Oswald was the only suspect. In such an atmosphere, it is not surprising they left this troublesome area alone. Even Captain Fritz himself was cautious. His notes indicate that he did not discuss the Hidell card with Oswald while in the presence of the FBI and Secret Service on November 22.

It was only safe for lower-ranked officers to discuss the Hidell ID after the FBI summary report of early December 1963 (known as CD 1.) affirmed that Oswald had the Hidell card on him at the time of his arrest.

What Hill did say

Jones Harris conducted extensive interviews with Gerald Hill, who worked in the Personnel Division with Westbrook. Hill was a reporter who became a policeman. Harris trusted what Hill told him. 

I do not trust Hill’s story, for many reasons. The foremost is that Hill was photographed leaning out the window of the sixth floor at the depository, shouting that he had found something. It was determined that this photograph was taken at 12:55. But the official story is that the shells from the rifle were not found on the sixth floor until 1:15. I think Hill planted the shells.

Like a Johnny-on-the-spot, Hill was one of the first officers to appear at the Tippit murder scene minutes later. Hill said that when he arrived at the Tippit crime scene, he was approached by an unknown witness. Hill said, “the first man that came up to me, he said, ‘The man who shot him was a white male about 5 foot 10 inches, weighing 160 to 170 pounds, had on a jacket and a pair of trousers, and brown bushy hair.’”

The height and weight match the inaccurate FBI/CIA Oswald descriptionthat was provided by an unknown man minutes after JFK was shot but before Tippit was shot. Hill never learned the man’s name. Hill claimed that he turned the unknown man over to another officer. No one knows anything about Hill’s supposed witness. 

Hill said that he returned to the office at about 3 pm to write his report while it was fresh in his mind. Westbrook came up to Hill and excitedly recounted a long story about Oswald being in the Marines, married to a Soviet citizen, being a defector, a “communist” (which no one else remembers) and more – all of which Hill repeated on the radio later that day, as heard at the beginning of this article.

Westbrook had no crime investigation experience, did not wear a police uniform, and had no business being at either the Tippit crime scene or the Texas Theatre.

Because of Westbrook’s rank, he was in charge at both events. Hill was Westbrook’s confidant and cohort. Hill was transferred into Westbrook’s department just weeks before the assassination. Who knew more about the secrets of the members of the Dallas Police Department than Captain Westbrook and Jerry Hill at Personnel?

Were Westbrook, Hill, Doughty and Bentley working together? 

When Bentley examined Oswald’s wallet in the police car, did he slip the Hidell ID inside it?

Did Doughty massage that information, hoping to get a big reaction from military intelligence?

These assumptions would explain a lot if the wallet examined by Westbrook at the Tippit murder scene was the same wallet that Bentley claimed to find in Oswald’s pocket after leaving the Texas Theatre. On the other hand, if there were two different wallets, these assumptions may explain why the wallets looked so much alike.

The police work described here is what you’d expect when assumptions are made that the democratic process doesn’t matter.

The police work described here is what has led Americans from Robert Kennedy to Edward Snowden to risk their lives and their freedom. They understand that history is written by people who act on their convictions. Cases like the JFK murder are resolved when citizens summon their collective political will.



Bill Simpich is a civil rights attorney and the author of State Secret. His work is cited in Salon founder David Talbot’s new book, The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government, just released this week. Targeting foreign leaders for assassination and overthrowing nationalist governments not in line with his political aims, Dulles employed those same tactics to further his goals at home, Talbot charges, offering shocking new evidence in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

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+30 # wantrealdemocracy 2015-10-18 11:16
The matter of who purchased the gun that was found in the book depository is not an important question because that gun could not have hit Kennedy as the 'official' story claims.

These questions about the gun, who purchased the gun are all to give credence to that official story which is false. Kind of like that fire proof drivers license that was found on the street near the World Trade Center on 9/11 as part of that other 'official story' that very few people still believe.

Real independent investigations need to be made of both of these events that have so changed our government.
 
 
+1 # Caliban 2015-10-18 13:38
I agree that there are many mysteries about the JFK killing even now, but I am not sure why you suggest the 6.5 mm Carcano carbine found in the book depository "could not have hit" the President. It is a bit on the small side, to be sure, but was not known to be inaccurate or unreliable.
 
 
+9 # bsimpich 2015-10-19 02:17
To Caliban and xpara,

The primary means of immobilizing each of us, as citizens of America, is to keep us in a state of confusion in which anything can be believed, but nothing can be known for sure.

Here's one thing - out of many - that's for sure: This particular rifle could not hit the broad side of a barn. It was not properly sighted.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39&search=%2215_yards%22#relPageId=413&tab=page

The government's expert from the Aberdeen Proving Ground, a weapons testing center, stated that shims were needed to put the telescopic sight into adjustment, and the sight was installed for a left-handed shooter.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=829

Consider Oswald's brother John Pic and others who testified that Lee was right-handed. Firearms expert Robert Frazier admitted that the sling was too short to do much more than put one's arm through it. Ronald Simmons, Chief of Infantry Weapons for the Army, testified that test firings show the gun fired high and to the right and was inaccurate from 15 yards. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134&relPageId=270
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134&relPageId=271

xpara, if you don't agree with my analysis - provide some sources. Then we can have dialogue. My evidence discussion: http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-the-Warren-Commission-by-Bill-Simpich-Assassination_Evidence_JFK_JFK-Assassination-141119-717.html
 
 
-2 # Caliban 2015-10-20 02:10
To bsimpich: Thanks for the comments. Here, in response, are a few things I feel pretty sure about.

1. You are wrong that the Carcano rifle could not have hit its target. The same Robert Frazier you cite also said "It is a very accurate weapon. The targets we fired show that."

2. The telescopic sight is not an issue. The shot that Oswald took was, unfortunately, an easy one. And, according to Wikipedia, in US Army tests, marksmen using "the assassination rifle mounted with the telescopic sight [hit] five of six shots [on] the third target at 265 feet, the distance of President Kennedy from the sixth floor window when he was struck in the head".

3. And the sling? Honestly, who knows whether Oswald even used the sling? If you are a shooter, you know that a sling can be useful in shooting some times, but it is by no means necessary.
 
 
-4 # xpara 2015-10-20 14:45
The evidence against Oswald is overwhelming and is laid out for all to see in the Warren Report, which missed a few details but got every essential fact correct. The case against Oswald is solid. Three shots were fired from the Depository with his rifle. The first one was deflected by the oak tree and went wild, sending a chip of concrete into the cheek of a bystander. Oswald was tracking through a scope, began his military routine of Breath--Relax-- Slack--Squeeze (we called it BRASS in basic training then) which meant the round went off as the rifle tracking placed an oak branch between the muzzle and the target. (This is my theory. The purpose of the BRASS routine is to keep you from knowing when the rifle will go off to keep you from flinching. The WC never considered this, figuring instead that a ration gunman would not shoot through a tree, and that gave them a problem in sequencing the shots). The second shot was a not-so-magic bullet. It slowed as it passed through the soft tissue of JFK's back and neck, hit Connally in the back still traveling in a straight line from the sixth floor, continued through the governor, breaking a rib, shattering a wrist bone, and embedding itself in his right thigh. The third bullet entered the back of JFK's head, blew bone fragments, blood and brains forward and upward (none backward, check frame 313 Zapruder). Oswald made his escape, was stopped by Tippit, and shot the policeman with his mail order revolver he had when arrested.
 
 
+4 # anarchaos 2015-10-19 12:17
Quoting Caliban:
I agree that there are many mysteries about the JFK killing even now, but I am not sure why you suggest the 6.5 mm Carcano carbine found in the book depository "could not have hit" the President. It is a bit on the small side, to be sure, but was not known to be inaccurate or unreliable.

The carbine itself may "not have been inaccurate or unreliable" but, Oswald was, by no means, an accurate or reliable shooter. His rifle scores were well below average. And remember, the first shot missed entirely (smashing into a curb), a second bullet was "found" on JFK's litter at the hospital, which leaves (thanks to the Zapruder film) only one more bullet to account for. The "magic bullet" which literally defied the laws of physics - if you believe the "official" story. Much like the "authorized version" of the 9/11 Report - which even the two co-authors of the report, Gov. Kean and Rep. Hamilton both claim is troublesome! It omits any references to the many explosions that were reported that very day in all of the major news media (chk-it-out) and leaves out the free-fall collapse of WTC #7. And, Hani Hanjour flew flight# 77 into the Pentagon???? He couldn't qualify for a Piper-Cub license!
 
 
-3 # Caliban 2015-10-20 02:20
Sorry, anarchaos, Oswald was, in fact, quite a good shooter: "During his Marine Corps service in December 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away." [Wikipedia].

The key word is, of course, "sharpshooter", and although in a later test he slipped to "Marksman", there is nothing in his military record to suggest he was anything but an above average rifleman.
 
 
+4 # Anarchist 23 2015-10-19 15:50
The Mannluicher Carcano was reputed to be one of the worst shoulder weapons around and even FBI sharpshooters could not duplicate Oswald's reported feat of 3 bullets in 5.6 seconds. If they had gone with the Mauser, which was the firearm first reported, a German sniper weapon from WWII, the story might have held up better but somebody...prob ably LBJ's hitman Mac Wallace who left a fingerprint of his left little finger on a cardboard box in the 'sniper's nest' screwed up and left the wrong caliber ammunition, thus causing a backtracking to the other weapon and the proof that Oswald had such a thing. The fingerprint and its history along with Mac Wallace's relation to it and LBJ can be found in Part 3 of 'Revision of Evidence' DVDs...availabl e on Amazon BTW.
 
 
-1 # Caliban 2015-10-20 02:44
The Carcano was not a great weapon, but it was standard issue for many European armies during the 1st World War and 2nd World War eras. And--as I indicate above--post assassination tests by the army and the FBI did confirm that it could have done the job.

As for Mac Wallace, he was a violent man, but I do not buy the theory that LBJ was behind JFK's death.
 
 
+3 # bsimpich 2015-10-20 23:36
Caliban,

You didn't address the central point: The FBI sharpshooters were not able to duplicate Oswald's reported feat of 3 bullets in 5.6 seconds. No one has been able to do it.

There is also no evidence that Oswald got any practice in with a rifle in the last year of his life. Any shooter will tell you that constant practice is essential to have any hope of being an adequate marksman.

The sight was installed for a lefthanded shooter, and Oswald was right-handed. For that reason alone, I don't even think it was his rifle. The order form was for a 36 inch rifle, and the Mannlicher at the scene was 40 inches.

As you say, the Carcano was standard issue in Italy, called the "humanitarian weapon" because it didn't kill people very well. It was manufactured in many factories, which meant that numerous rifles of this model had the same serial number. So the serial number on the rifle matched the order form - it's superficially appealing to the public, but it doesn't mean much.

The rifle was not sighted in. For Frazier to say that it was "accurate" when unsighted illustrates why he is a wholly unreliable witness.

If you are truly interested in Frazier's checkered history and more problems with the rifle and the other evidence in this case, see http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-the-Warren-Commission-by-Bill-Simpich-Assassination_Evidence_JFK_JFK-Assassination-141119-717.html - and let's continue the discussion.
 
 
0 # Caliban 2015-10-22 00:09
bsimpich--I appreciate the thoroughness your research even when I disagree with your conclusions.

But, frankly, these so-called tests don't mean anything. There are NO reliable figures for Oswald's--or whoever did the shooting's--act ual firing time, and the fabled 5.6 seconds is just the best known of various "guesstimates".

More important, though, there is no other figure on anybody's list of alternate candidates with the amount and credibility of guilty-verdict level biographical and forensic evidence that investigators have found connecting Oswald to the Kennedy killing.

But was he the "Lone Gunman" of popular fantasy? I certainly suspect that there were other guns at the scene that day--this was Texas, after all. But I also believe that the evidence is convincing that Oswald was the only actual shooter that day at Dealey Plaza.

That said, I continue to look at new data when it appears, and I thank you and others for continuing to making sure it does.
 
 
+11 # Farafalla 2015-10-18 15:46
I think the ID found conveniently on the sidewalk in Manhattan on 9-11 was actually supposed to be a very magical passport that Mohammed Atta supposedly had in his shirt pocket. I was thinking that these ID issues are indeed playbook.
 
 
+11 # futhark 2015-10-18 17:35
I think it was an alleged hijacker's passport that was found on the street near "ground zero" after 9/11. The fires that were intense enough to weaken the structural steel of the buildings, resulting in their collapse, were apparently not hot enough to ignite a piece of paper.
 
 
+31 # REDPILLED 2015-10-18 12:05
The JFK assassination and the 9/11 terrorism are the two bookends of the beginning and the end of any slight chance at true democracy here.

Both false flag operations will never be independently investigated, and media, including much alternate media such as "Democracy Now!" and CounterPunch, as otherwise excellent as they are, will not delve into them. Even Noam Chomsky still insists on believing the official 9/11 conspiracy lies.
 
 
+7 # Glen 2015-10-18 12:48
Chomsky avoids tentative research and extreme controversies, which the murder of Kennedy is and more so the attack on New York. If there were to be facts laid out there for him to glean, he would dig into it. Folks like Chomsky want to remain in place and not attract any more attention than they do as a result of their own research and reporting.

There is extreme corruption and killing thanks to the U.S. government, and we now have a huge population, which makes democracy all but impossible in the U.S. True democracy was meant for a small population and one that participates in the government, not just voting.
 
 
+3 # Glen 2015-10-18 15:24
Do the research on democracy, folks.
 
 
+5 # MsAnnaNOLA 2015-10-19 10:30
Chomsky needs to talk to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.

They have a very in-depth publication available for reading. "Beyond Misinformation"

http://www.beyondmisinformation.org/#beyond-misinformation
 
 
+9 # Krackonis 2015-10-18 16:30
It seems to me they are the beginning and end of the open coup of the US government. They are now over moving onto the next phase...
 
 
0 # hydroweb 2015-10-18 15:00
Looks like ALEX to me not ALEK
 
 
0 # mikecohen 2015-10-18 15:24
As one who does not believe the official story, and is always interested in the facts as they come out (albeit not that current on them), I am nevertheless curious (re the idea that Oswald never got the mail-ordered Carcano carbine) about the famous photograph of Oswald (apparently in his, or somebody's, backyard) holding what I have always understood to be that rifle.
 
 
-28 # xpara 2015-10-18 16:58
Over 50 years and no one has ever produced any evidence that anyone but Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle that fired the shots that killed JFK, or that any more than three bullets in total were fired in Dealey Plaza that day, or that anybody else took a shot at Gen. Edwin Walker, or that anybody else killed Patrolman Tippit, or that anybody else left his wedding ring and a pathetic amount of cash on the dresser for his wife, or that anybody but Oswald posed for the pictures with the rifle and pistol, or that anybody but Marina took the pictures with Oswald's camera, or .... It goes on and on. There is not a shred of evidence that anybody but Oswald assassinated JFK and Tippit. There is not a shred of evidence that anybody else was involved in either murder. Period.
 
 
+5 # Anarchist 23 2015-10-19 15:53
Would you like to buy a bridge? I can get you a good deal on several!
 
 
-17 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-10-18 20:49
There are lot's of discrepancies around this assassination. this is another so it seems if the author is in fact correct. However, it is a stretch to think that members of Dallas police hid facts or set up someone to cover up some kind of 'shadow government' part in his killing. If so you mean to tell me that some cops allowed a fellow officer to die to maintain such a ruse? Also there was a lot of confusion and this was just some ordinary homicide day after all President of USA was killed on their watch in their city. I like another theory .. JFK was killed by mafia inside outside job .. it was a low level hit .. just look at the gun used .. government plot would have gotten him a million easier and more believeable ways without having to have so many in on the act .. reason for the killing .. JFK was going to invade Cuba for certain those facts are known today ... and RFK and J Edgar knew USA was setting that up .. which is illegal and reason for the cover up that followed .. was it Oswald for certain .. well there is no conscience among thieves ....
 
 
0 # Citizen Mike 2015-10-19 07:30
I have always wondered if the Oswald who went to Russia was the same Oswald who returned from Russia and the same Oswald who was arrested for JFK's murder. And was then silenced by being whacked by a mob associate who knew he was dying of cancer and kept his mouth shut to the end. It is all fishy.

I do not know what happened but suspect one or more of the Oswalds named above was a ringer, the mob was involved and the whole official story seems fishy. I suspect but cannot prove the use of ringers, stooges and mob involvement. And I think we will never find out the truth.
 
 
0 # MsAnnaNOLA 2015-10-19 10:34
There is a very interesting book by Judith Vary Baker called "Me and Lee". She recounts that she had a love affair with Oswald in New Orleans and they met Jack Ruby together at his club in New Orleans. Lee was supposedly an agent. I think she is a very good yarn teller or she is telling the truth.
 
 
+4 # MsAnnaNOLA 2015-10-19 10:43
I actually think this kind of speculation about the ID and stuff is kind of like a smoke screen. Many of the eye-witnesses to the assassination state that there were shots from the grassy knoll area. From lots I have read there were multiple shooters. Probably the Carcano rifle was not used. The bullets presented by the Warren Commission as the bullets are false. The pristine bullets like the completely symetrical collapse of 3 skyscrapers on 9/11 are laughable.

If Lee was an agent that was set up to take the fall, they may have ordered him to make that fake id. May have ordered him to order that rifle. A lot of Lee's strange behavior is explained by him being an agent that was set up. It is also likely that there was a Lee look-alike going around town pretending to be him because he was often reported to be in two places at once. This helps the cover-up immensely.

It also helps the cover up immensely that he was an agent. Some people involved in cover up were undoubtedly told they need to do it for the agency. Others like Warren were told they need to do it to protect the country from nuclear war with Russia because he was a "communist" and on down the line. Once the cover-up was initiated on such a wide scale we will never know for sure what happened but I think it is fair to say Secret Service was involved because they withheld protection. CIA probably planned it as they had the expertise to carry out this type of plot.
 
 
0 # anarchaos 2015-10-19 12:39
Agree with your first paragraph entirely! Who had the expert ability to set up and carry-out both false flag events and, equally, to "authoritativel y" cover up each of them??
 
 
+1 # anarchaos 2015-10-19 12:33
BKnowsshitt doesn't KNowsshitt2 (a Troll?)
 
 
0 # JSRaleigh 2015-10-19 19:31
It's a Selective Service System Notice of Classification.

I can't make out what classification Hidell was supposed to be, but it appears to be something 'u'. I couldn't find any Selective Service classification during that period that ended in 'u'.

Could it possibly be a 1-Y?

Oswald would have been either 4-A, because his 6 year service obligation ended 8 Dec 1962, OR because he received an Undesirable Discharge, he might have been 4-F "Registrant not qualified for military service".
 
 
+4 # boredlion 2015-10-20 01:39
Just how pathetic is it that, after all these years, with all the forensic and scholarly and investigative resources of a so-called great and cultured and sophisticated nation, that we still do not know exactly who pulled the trigger(s) on JFK ?

Nor on MLK, nor RFK.

Suggestion : Look at who profited. The military-indust rial complex, very rich and powerful; the US Intelligence [sic] community, CIA, FBI, floppo Secret Service (Treasury Dept.) ;Dallas Police; Nixonian Republicans, Floridian Gusano Mafias, KKK, take your pick(s).

In other words, the usual sick, racist,neo-fasc ist suspects.
 
 
+2 # chapdrum 2015-10-21 10:44
"Boredlion" is on it. To which I'd add: So we find out those responsible for JFK, RFK, MLK (and, just for fun, those actually responsible for WTC): Then what? Who or what is going to prosecute them? I think we know the answer.
 
 
+2 # bsimpich 2015-10-21 20:45
chapdrum,

I would suggest to you that what we are engaged in is nothing less than a battle to define our history and to take down the secret government.

There are not going to be any prosecutions in the cases of the sixties. These are stories that go back to the early years of secret government - I would offer that it's been growing steadily since 1947.

The 9/11 cases are different - there could be prosecutions in those cases. Here is my challenge to you. Can those active in exposing the 9/11 case communicate effectively with other people in the country to an extent that political action can be taken?

Because the people doing that work have alienated potential allies like Matt Taibbi - he's hurled himself into the banking cases precisely because he was trying to learn about 9/11 and got harassed by unreasonable people.

I know all social movements have their hangers-on and government spies, but no one stepped forward to help Matt out.

Meanwhile, as people like me are working on getting the word out about the JFK case while we still have living witnesses and documents to be released in 2017 - people like you are shouting at people like me asking where are the prosecutions and being entirely cynical.

I know you care. Your posts show that you care. Please - stop asking questions that we all know the answer to, and work with people like me to stop this shit.
 
 
0 # chapdrum 2015-10-22 11:17
bsimpich,
Thank you for your reasoned response, and for the information you've conveyed about the pending JFK document release. Gore Vidal once suggested that U.S.A. actually stands for "United States of Amnesia," and I think there's some truth to that. The WTC issue (or "issue") now appears old hat and, of course, if that is so, that applies even more as to JFK. I know from experience that the feeling of tilting at windmills can be discouraging. Thanks for the background on Taibbi. I don't have your (or his) description of "unreasonable people." Anyone suggesting prima facie disagreement with the Warren Commission and/or the 9/11 Commission could, in my view, be thus described by those who prefer the comforting illusion. As to your "challenge": The challenge to "...those active in exposing the 9/11 case..." is trying to not appear mentally unwell and/or unpatriotic while making their case to those who disagree with them, or those who are indifferent to the truth, but are refuting the disagreement with the Commission's conclusion on a merely knee-jerk basis. (This is in part understandable, as no one wants to believe that any government officials could have had complicity.) I am aware that cynicism is the easiest position to stake, and that accounts for its ubiquity. I am not being purposely cynical, but am asking out of frustration which, I concede, is not helpful. I'll leave alone "the questions that we all know the answer to..."
 

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