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Greenwald writes: "The Republican candidate leading every poll, Donald Trump, recently unveiled his plan to forcibly deport all 11 million human beings residing in the U.S. without proper documentation, roughly half of whom have children born in the U.S. (and who are thus American citizens)."

Glenn Greenwald. (photo: PBS)
Glenn Greenwald. (photo: PBS)


Jorge Ramos Commits Journalism, Gets Immediately Attacked by Journalists

By Glenn Greenwald, The Intercept

26 August 15

 

he Republican presidential candidate leading every poll, Donald Trump, recently unveiled his plan to forcibly deport all 11 million human beings residing in the U.S. without proper documentation, roughly half of whom have children born in the U.S. (and who are thus American citizens). As George Will noted last week, �Trump�s roundup would be about 94 times larger than the wartime internment of 117,000 persons of Japanese descent.� It would require a massive expansion of the most tyrannical police state powers far beyond their already immense post-9/11 explosion. And that�s to say nothing of the incomparably ugly sentiments which Trump�s advocacy of this plan, far before its implementation, is predictably unleashing.

Jorge Ramos, the influential anchor of Univision and an American immigrant from Mexico, has been denouncing Trump�s anti-immigrant rhetoric. Yesterday at a Trump press conference in Iowa, Ramos stood and questioned Trump on his immigration views. Trump at first ignored him, then scolded him for speaking without being called on and repeatedly ordered him to �sit down,� then told him: �Go back to Univision.� When Ramos refused to sit down and shut up as ordered, a Trump bodyguard physically removed him from the room. After the press conference concluded, Ramos returned and again questioned Trump about immigration, with the two mostly talking over each other as Ramos asked Trump about the fundamental flaws in his policy. Afterward, Ramos said: �This is personal . . . he�s talking about our parents, our friends, our kids and our babies.�

One might think that in a conflict between a journalist removed from a press conference for asking questions and the politician who had him removed, journalists would side with their fellow journalist. Some are. But many American journalists have seized on the incident to denounce Ramos for the crime of having opinions and even suggesting that he�s not really acting as a journalist at all.

Politico�s political reporter Marc Caputo unleashed a Twitter rant this morning against Ramos. �This is bias: taking the news personally, explicitly advocating an agenda,� he began. Then: �Trump can and should be pressed on this. Reporters can do this without being activists� and �some reporters still try to approach their stories fairly & decently. & doing so does not prevent good reporting.� Not only didn�t Ramos do journalism, Caputo argued, but he actually ruins journalism: �My issue is his reporting is imbued with take-it-personally bias. . . .  we fend off phony bias allegations & Ramos only helps to wrongly justify them. . . .One can ask and report without the bias. I�ve done it for years & will continue 2 do so.�

Washington Post article about the incident actually equated the two figures, beginning with the headline: �Jorge Ramos is a conflict junkie, just like his latest target: Donald Trump.� The article twice suggested that Ramos� behavior was something other than journalism, claiming that his advocacy of immigration reform �blurred the line between journalist and activist� and that �by owning the issue of immigration, Ramos has also blurred the line between journalist and activist.� That Ramos was acting more as an �activist� than a �journalist� was a commonly expressed criticism among media elites this morning.

Here we find, yet again, the enforcement of unwritten, very recent, distinctively corporatized rules of supposed �neutrality� and faux objectivity which all Real Journalists must obey, upon pain of being expelled from the profession. A Good Journalist must pretend they have no opinions, feign utter indifference to the outcome of political debates, never take any sides, be utterly devoid of any human connection to or passion for the issues they cover, and most of all, have no role to play whatsoever in opposing even the most extreme injustices.

Thus: you do not call torture �torture� if the U.S. Government falsely denies that it is; you do not say that the chronic shooting of unarmed black citizens by the police is a major problem since not everyone agrees that it is; and you do not object when a major presidential candidate stokes dangerous nativist resentments while demanding mass deportation of millions of people. These are the strictures that have utterly neutered American journalism, drained it of its vitality and core purpose, and ensured that it does little other than serve those who wield the greatest power and have the highest interest in preserving the status quo.

What is more noble for a journalist to do: confront a dangerous, powerful billionaire-demagogue spouting hatemongering nonsense about mass deportation, or sitting by quietly and pretending to have no opinions on any of it and that �both sides� are equally deserving of respect and have equal claims to validity? As Ramos put it simply, in what should not even need to be said: �I�m a reporter. My job is to ask questions. What�s �totally out of line� is to eject a reporter from a press conference for asking questions.�

Indeed, some of the most important and valuable moments in American journalism have come from the nation�s most influential journalists rejecting this cowardly demand that they take no position, from Edward R. Murrow�s brave 1954 denunciation of McCarthyism to Walter Cronkite�s 1968 refusal to treat the U.S. Government�s lies about the Vietnam War as anything other than what they were. Does anyone doubt that today�s neutrality-�ber-alles journalists would denounce them as �activists� for inappropriately �taking a side�?

As Jack Shafer documented two years ago, crusading and �activist� journalism is centuries old and has a very noble heritage. The notion that journalists must be beacons of opinion-free, passion-devoid, staid, impotent neutrality is an extremely new one, the by-product of the increasing corporatization of American journalism. That�s not hard to understand: one of the supreme values of large corporations is fear of offending anyone, particularly those in power, since that�s bad for business. The way that conflict-avoiding value is infused into the media outlets which these corporations own is to inculcate their journalists that their primary duty is to avoid offending anyone, especially those who wield power, which above all means never taking a clear position about anything, instead just serving as a mindless, uncritical vessel for �both sides,� what NYU Journalism Professor Jay Rosen has dubbed �the view from nowhere.� Whatever else that is, it is most certainly not a universal or long-standing principle of how journalism should be conducted.

The worst aspect of these journalists� demands for �neutrality� is the conceit that they are actually neutral, that they are themselves not activists. To be lectured about the need for journalistic neutrality by Politico of all places � the ultimate and most loyal servant of the DC political and corporate class � by itself illustrates what a rotten sham this claim is. I set out my argument about this at length in my 2013 exchange with Bill Keller and won�t repeat it all here; suffice to say, all journalism is deeply subjective and serves some group�s interests. All journalists constantly express opinions and present the world in accordance with their deeply subjective biases � and thus constantly serve one agenda or another � whether they honestly admit doing so or dishonestly pretend they don�t.

Ultimately, demands for �neutrality� and �objectivity� are little more than rules designed to shield those with the greatest power from meaningful challenge. As BuzzFeed�s Adam Serwer insightfully put it this morning ��Objective� reporters were openly mocking Trump not that long ago, but Ramos has not reacted to Trump�s poll numbers with appropriate deference . . . . Just a reminder that what is considered objective reporting is intimately tied to power or the perception of power.� Expressing opinions that are in accord with, and which serve the interests of, those who wield the greatest political and economic power is always acceptable for the journalists who most tightly embrace the pretense of �neutrality�; it�s only when an opinion constitutes dissent or when it�s expressed with too little reverence for the most powerful does it cross the line into �activism� and �bias.�

(Ramos� supposed sin of being what the Post called a �conflict junkie� � something that sounds to be nothing more than a derogatory way of characterizing �adversary journalism� � is even more ridiculous. Please spare me the tripe about how Ramos� real sin was one of rudeness, that he failed to wait for explicit permission from the Trumpian Strongman to speak. Aside from the absurdity of viewing Victorian-era etiquette as some sort of journalistic virtue, Trump�s vindictive war with Univision made it unlikely he�d call on Ramos, and journalists don�t always need to be �polite� to do their jobs.

Beyond that, whether a reporter must be deferential to a politicians is one of those questions on which people shamelessly switch sides based on which politician is being treated rudely at the moment, as the past liberal protests over the �rudeness� displayed to Obama by conservative journalists demonstrate. That Ramos is not One of Them � Joe Scarborough appeared not even to know who Ramos is and suggested he was just seeking �15 minutes of fame,� despite Ramos� having far greater influence and fame than Scarborough could dream of having � clearly fueled the journalistic resentment that Ramos� behavior was out of line).

What Ramos did here was pure journalism in its classic and most noble expression: he aggressively confronted a politician wielding a significant amount of power over some pretty horrible things that the politician is doing and saying. As usual when someone commits a real act of journalism aimed at the most powerful in the U.S., those leading the charge against him are other journalists, who so tellingly regard actual journalism as a gauche and irreverent crime against those who wield the greatest power and thus merit the greatest deference.

UPDATE: Caputo, while noting that he disagrees with many of the views in this article, objects to one phrase in particular and sets forth his objection here. I quoted and/or linked to all of his referenced statements and am happy to allow readers to decide if that one phrase was accurate. I am quite convinced it was and stand by it.

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+28 # coberly 2020-07-25 10:01
I've been trying to tell you: don't turn over statues. Turn over voting machines. Demand paper ballots in a box in front of witnesses. With cops to evict "challengers."

Hint: if Trump/Burr can have their own police force, so can the citizens of Flint, Detroit...

Elections MUST be held in full public view "on the same day." Sorry about that Covid thing. wear a mask. With enough voting place, a hand count can be completed in time for the "networks" to have their story, so we can go to sleep... or not.
 
 
+13 # lfeuille 2020-07-25 18:52
We can do both.
 
 
0 # coberly 2020-07-28 13:14
probably we can't.

knocking down statues costs us votes.
 
 
+24 # johnescher 2020-07-25 10:14
I live in Michigan and want my vote against Trump to count. The downside of this well-researched article is that it tends to erode that hope.
 
 
+25 # miffed 2020-07-25 10:32
Harvard Kennedy School of Government scholar Alex Keyssar has a book that shows how the abominable US election system is a cancerous growth spurred by incumbents. New democracies after WW2 never even considered the US system because it's undemocratic in its very structure.
 
 
+11 # 1dfnslblty 2020-07-25 10:36
 
 
+15 # davehaze 2020-07-25 10:40
RSN is on a roll. Providing its community with empowering information.
 
 
+23 # davehaze 2020-07-25 10:59
Uh, what happened here? If Palast is correct than it wasnt the Russians who handed Trump the election but Republican lawyers while under the "watchful" eyes of Democratic lawyers.

If what palast says is true than putting all of your energy into the million hours of Russia gate is a mistake that needs to be acknowledged.

All of your trump-hating would have been unnecessary because he never would have set foot in the White House if the Democratic party had demanded the recount. Hey, you want someone to blame blame Hillary herself and the Democratic party itself and you might want to ask them why they did not want to win.
 
 
-4 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2020-07-25 13:22
dh -- Palast has never been a Russia blamer. That role goes to democrats, esp. people like soon-to-be-vice -president-nomi nee Susan Rice or Hillary Herself. The elite media are Russia-did-it true believers as well.

You are right. The Russiagate was a total mistake, a distraction from the real issues we needed to be talking about, and a strategy to blame Trump for something he did not actually participate in.
 
 
+17 # davehaze 2020-07-25 16:28
RR
Yes reality-based Palast never a Russia conspiretalist. Because I have followed him for near 20 years, originally Democracy NOW and bought his books, I have shouted at unregenative Democrats: it is not NaderGreensLeft istsRussians (whatever current scapegoat) it is electorial cheating initiated and allowed to proliferate by both parties and the Supreme Court.

And ignored by most political discussion -- so kudos to RSN.
 
 
+11 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2020-07-26 05:21
dh -- yes, kudos to RSN for publishing Palast. I think he is definitely worth listening to.
 
 
+6 # livanlern 2020-07-25 17:19
Even Biden and the DNC wouldn't be stupid enough to name Rice or Clinton for VP.
The Don doesn't need to directly participate in anything for it to happen.
 
 
+9 # dquandle 2020-07-25 14:44
The "Democrats" couldn't be bothered. Just like they couldn't be bothered when Gore tried to pretend he was a "gentleman". All they were interested in was ginning up war, hot or cold, with Russia Russia Russia, and making sure Wall Street got its ton of flesh.
 
 
+3 # livanlern 2020-07-25 17:21
Huh? The war that followed Gore's defeat was with Iran, not Russia.
 
 
+5 # Salus Populi 2020-07-26 15:16
You mean Iraq. And it wasn't really a "war with," since Iraq had never so much as threatened the United States, and the "coalition of the killing" had ninety-five [not a misprint] times the total GDP of Iraq; rather, under the Nuremberg terms, it was a war of aggression, and, like all the other wars the U.S. has been involved in over the last three-quarters of a century -- that is, has initiated -- was both a war crime, a crime against the peace, and a crime against humanity. If Obama, the Constitutional scholar, was serious about his oath of office, he would have prosecuted [or sent to the Hague] all the high-level administrators of the Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Reagan administration, as well as Brzezinsky and Carter, under Article VIII of the Constitution. But of course, he was getting set to carry out his own war crimes, and therefore chose to "look forward, not back."
 
 
0 # Observer 47 2020-07-27 15:34
Outstanding comment!
 
 
+29 # Street Level 2020-07-25 11:26
And why was Hillary not screaming about this? I don't believe for one minute that she'd rather go on a world-tour whining and blaming Bernie no matter how much money her book made.

And why are the county registrars still allowed to confuse voters with cross-over ballots, absentee ballots or instructing volunteers to "not say anything" forcing voters to "ask" for the right ballot if they're lucky enough to know better? What happened to exit polls? Why are antique machines even allowed anymore? The country would riot if the Super Bowl was broadcast on unreliable and antique machinery.

Observing the count (during the election) was a joke. Sample ballots were drawn from piles in a private room out of public view.

The only thing about voting that's changed is that the Republicans have made it harder and the Democrats have done nothing but sit back and count their Wall St. cash because they don't loose no matter who's in the Oval. It's the same corporate party.

Only people like Greg who's doing the heavy lifting doing the research to educate the public will bring about any change.
Voting matters in that it serves as a legitimate cover for whoever gets installed and is why we need to change it.
 
 
+19 # dascher 2020-07-25 11:43
 
 
+7 # Robbee 2020-07-25 13:26
1,913,369 Ballots Thrown Away, How Trump Did - and Will - Disqualify Your Vote
By Greg Palast, Reader Supported News
25 July 20

"This little chapter from How Trump Stole 2020 tells you how they did it in 2016 and can do it again in 2020:"

whereas of 2018 michigan has a dem secretary of state - (attorneys general and governor too)

robbee declares -

these outrages could not have happened, unless abetted by repukes, up and down the line

this will not happen again in 2020 - not in my state

note that the refusal to count votes in michigan happened under a repuke secretary of state (attorneys general and governor too)

this year there's a new sheriff in michigan - and she's all dem!

ps - greg is also an expert on cross-check - and who knows how many MILLIONS OF votes by folks with latino names? - repute secretaries of state threw out? destroyed? - no record kept?

voting in america is a shell game, expressly approved by sbcouts

but it's the only game we have

despair is no political strategy

V O T E !

pps - ifeuille's great idea is a federal mail-in voting rights law, backed by a one-day army of onsite federal inspectors at each local polling site? if i have that right? - i would add inspectors, at each s o s office

ppps - meanwhile we man polling sites with independent poll watchers!
 
 
+18 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2020-07-25 13:27
Palast has seen this story play out over and over again. He must think he is in the Groudhog Day movie. Wake up to a new election, same old story of ballot spoilage, mis-counts, and rigged elections.

What this shows is that repubicans have become masters of this technique, especially challenging votes that don't go their way. They also have zip coded voter lists so they car rule out places like east Detroit.

And the Democrats always behave the same way. They just throw their hands up in the air and make some profound expression like "darn it." And then they move on to collecting cash from their big donors -- who they don't know also backed the republican side.

The billionaire donors win at this game. They get the candidates they want. Democrat party bosses get a lot of money. Republicans get the elected offices and the bills they want passed. Everyone is happy. The american people get screwed -- again, and again, and again.
 
 
+20 # vt143 2020-07-25 13:29
And it's the bible-thumping flag-waving love-America "patriots" who sabotage the very foundation of their "American" greatness. What a fu*%ing joke!
 
 
+14 # livanlern 2020-07-25 13:39
I knew at the time, from online information, that the election results in Flint, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. were bogus. But the mainstream media clamped down on this news, and they made Jill Stein into a figure of ridicule.
There were/are a bunch of computer experts some of whom came out of Princeton, who have been trying for years to put out the word about how easy it is to hack e-voting.
 
 
0 # Observer 47 2020-07-27 15:37
See www.blackboxvoting.org
 
 
+5 # coberly 2020-07-26 14:56
well, now that everyone has git that off ther=ir chest, we can go back to winning friends and influencing people by knocking down statues. instead of doing something about voting machines and voter registration ripoffs.

a word of warning though. Trump-hate of mail-in vote, is "please don' throw me in dat brier patch Br'er Fox. Please. Please.

I don't know if there has ever been mail-in voting fraud, but there easily could be, the point is that it is not transparent.

do we really need to get the television stations the results before midnight at the expense of never knowing who "really' won?
 
 
+1 # Inspired Citizen 2020-07-27 19:16
In a word, no.

Accuracy is all that matters, not speed. It's the difference between a legitimate election and an illegitimate one.

The Republicans suppress the minority voters in the general election. The Democrats suppressed the (young) Bernie voters in the primaries.
 

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