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Kucinich writes: "The fact can't be refuted: ISIS was born of Western intervention in Iraq and covert action in Syria."

Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich takes a look  at Syria. (photo: Getty Images)
Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich takes a look at Syria. (photo: Getty Images)


The Real Reason We Are Bombing Syria

By Dennis J. Kucinich, Reader Supported News

25 September 14

 

he administration's response to the conjunction of this weekend's People's Climate March and the International Day of Peace?

1) Bomb Syria the following day, to wrest control of the oil from ISIS which gained its foothold directly in the region through the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Jordan funding and arming ISIS' predecessors in Syria.

2) Send the president to UN General Assembly, where he will inevitably give a rousing speech about climate and peace, while the destruction of the environment and the shattering of world peace is on full display 5,000 miles away.

Nothing better illustrates the bankruptcy of the Obama administration's foreign policy than funding groups that turn on the U.S. again and again, a neo-con fueled cycle of profits for war makers and destruction of ever-shifting "enemies."

The fact can't be refuted: ISIS was born of Western intervention in Iraq and covert action in Syria.

This Frankenstein-like experiment of arming the alleged freedom-seeking Syrian opposition created the monster that roams the region. ISIS and the U.S. have a curious relationship -- mortal enemies that, at the same time, benefit from some of the same events:

a) Ousting former Iraqi President Nouri al Maliki for his refusal to consent to the continued presence of U.S. troops in his country.

b) Regime change in Syria.

c) Arming the Kurds so they can separate from Iraq, a preliminary move to partitioning Iraq.

What a coincidence for war-profiteering neo-cons and the war industry, which has seen its stock rise since last week's congressional vote to fund the rapid expansion of war. We have met the enemy and he isn't only ISIS, he is us.

Phase two of the war against Syria is the introduction of 5,000 "moderate" mercenaries (as opposed to immoderate ones), who were trained in Saudi Arabia, the hotbed of Wahhabism, at an initial installment cost of $15 billion. These new "moderates" will replace the old "moderates," who became ISIS, just in time for Halloween.

The administration, in the belief that you can buy, rent, or lease friends where they otherwise do not exist, labor under the vain assumption that our newfound comrades-in-arms will remain in place during their three-year employment period, ignoring the inevitability that those "friends" you hire today could be firing at you tomorrow.

One wonders if Saudi training of these moderate mercenaries will include methods of beheading which were popularized by the Saudi government long before their ISIS progeny took up the grisly practice.

The U.S. is being played.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia can now overtly join with the U.S. in striking Syria, after they have been covertly attempting for years to take down the last secular state in the region. We are now advancing the agenda of the actual Islamic States -- Saudi Arabia and Qatar -- to fight the ersatz Islamic State of ISIS.

Now U.S. bombs and missiles might inadvertently "make the world safe" for theocracy rather than democracy. Today we read reports that Israel has shot down a Syrian warplane, indicating the terrible possibility of a wider regional conflict.

What does this have to do with the security of the 50 States United? Nothing!

Last week Congress acted prematurely in funding a war without following the proscriptions of Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. (The day of the vote, I urged Congress to resist this dangerous and misguided legislation.) But even while the funding was given, the explicit authorization to go to war was not. To authorize a war, Congress must vote for war. It has not done that yet.

To sell its case, the administration is borrowing from the fear mongering tactics of the Bush administration. ISIS poses no direct, immediate threat to the United States -- The White House even said so yesterday, just hours before bombing commenced - yet we are being sold make-believe about ISIS sleeper cells.

This attack on Syria, under the guise of striking ISIS, is by definition, a war of aggression. It is a violation of international law. It could lead to crimes against humanity and the deaths of untold numbers of innocent civilians. No amount of public relations or smooth talking can change that.

And yes, members of this Democratic administration, including the president who executed this policy, must be held accountable by the International Criminal Court and by the American people, who he serves.

But as we know, war is a powerful and cynical PR tactic. I expect the bombing of Syria will momentarily boost the White House's popularity with self-serving heroic accounts of damage inflicted upon ISIS (and the U.S. equipment they use). Stuffing the November ballot box with bombs and missiles may even help the Democratic Party retain the Senate.

But after the election the voters will discover that the president played into the hands of extremists, hurt civilians, and embroiled our country deep into another conflict in the Middle East.

There were alternatives. The U.S. and the international community could have contained and shrunk ISIS by cutting off its funds and its revenue from sale of oil on the black market. We could have looked to strike a deal with Syria and Iran.

In foreign policy, the administration has failed. Congress has failed. Both the Democratic and Republican Parties have passed the national checkbook to their patrons in the war contracting business. And passed the bill to future generations.

The American people, who in 2008 searched for something redemptive after years of George W. Bush's war, realize in 2014 that hope and change was but a clever slogan. It was used to gain power and to keep it through promoting fear, war, the growth of the National Security state, and an autumnal bonfire of countless billions of tax dollars which fall like leaves from money trees on the banks of the Potomac.

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+117 # Activista 2014-09-25 13:23
YES -
" members of this Democratic administration, including the president who executed this policy, must be held accountable by the International Criminal Court and by the American people, who he serves."
very factual and brave article by Former Congressman Dennis Kucinic - this is USA now.
 
 
-95 # randyjet 2014-09-25 19:39
Please tell us WHO will ask the ICC to intervene? Syria in the Assad regime likes what Obama is doing. The Kurds who have to live there like the bombing. I saw the poor Syrian refugees in Turkey ASKING Obama to bomb the hell out of ISIS so that they can go home. So the only person in the world who thinks Obama should stand trial for this bombing is Kucinich and ISIS! I think I can understand why he is a former Rep. since he is a mindless pacifist.
 
 
+78 # Icon 2014-09-25 19:56
Randy; you forgot Putin!! Kucinich is spot on!! All this shit is coming from the Neocons, the MIC & Big Oil!
 
 
+9 # Jaylu 2014-09-28 16:14
As soon as the 'threat' began getting press attention, I asked, "Where is the oil?" Am I becoming jaded? You bet!
 
 
+22 # ritawalpoleague 2014-09-26 04:42
ISIS IS B.S.B.S.B.S. and
WAR IS EGREGIOUS, EGREGIOUS, EGREGIOUS !

Time to do another CLIMATE MARCH and couple up damnation of greed and need for power over all, by the fossil foolers and our warmongering rulers. Here's another chant for our activist marchers:

IT'S A CRIME TO POISON and KILL, and
U.S. IS GUILTY - GUILTY AS HELL !
 
 
+95 # Billy Bob 2014-09-25 13:41
The reason "we" are invading Syria is simple:

Syria stands between Iraq's oil and the Mediterranean.

Iran stands between Iraq's oil and the Indian Ocean.

NOT a coincidence.
 
 
+50 # jdd 2014-09-25 17:23
It is not as simple and much more evil than that.
 
 
+48 # Billy Bob 2014-09-25 19:51
What could be "more evil" than raping, pillaging, and torturing everyone who gets in your way of stealing their resources so you can make obscene profits off of their misery, while poisoning the Earth?

If you know of anything "more evil" than that, I'd like to hear it. I hope my eyes don't melt just from reading it.
 
 
-5 # Caliban 2014-09-28 00:36
You are referring to ISIS, I presume.
 
 
+30 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-09-25 23:15
Gerald Ford, "all wars are fought over natural resources."
 
 
+14 # politicfix 2014-09-26 11:24
How Poignant of Gerald Ford to disclose that "all wars are fought over natural resources", after spending decades in Congress, pardoning Nixon, for which he was APPOINTED President, and never having done anything to try to change that himself while in Washington. I guess every president thereafter didn't get the memo after he said that. We have no hero or leader in Washington who will stand up for what is truly right no matter the cost according to the allegiance they take when sworn in. It further proves that from the President down, they're all touts for those who are really running the country and calling the shots. Someone called them financiers, so that's a good enough name for them.
 
 
-1 # Jaylu 2014-09-28 16:16
Gerald Ford told the truth.
 
 
+8 # cwbystache 2014-09-26 06:41
We need a reason? Who knew?!
 
 
+19 # Billy Bob 2014-09-26 07:39
There'$ alway$ a rea$on.
 
 
+12 # cwbystache 2014-09-26 08:13
love the dollar signs ...

I think beyond all that can be presented by any side defending/oppos ing things like this, is that we LIKE war. I keep wondering, though, how long it will take for JFK's words to sink in about how now it will put an end to us if we don't put an end to it.
 
 
+30 # John S. Browne 2014-09-25 13:58
#
Quote:
This attack on Syria, under the guise of striking ISIS, is by definition, a war of aggression. It is a violation of international law. It could lead to crimes against humanity and the deaths of untold numbers of innocent civilians. No amount of public relations or smooth talking can change that...

But after the election the voters will discover that the president played into the hands of extremists, hurt civilians, and embroiled our country deep into another conflict in the Middle East (AGAIN!!---not that it ever really stopped---my words added to this quote)...
#

"...It could lead to crimes against humanity and the deaths of untold numbers of innocent civilians..."?! A war of aggression is a crime against humanity and a war crime in and of itself; and it WILL lead to the deaths of untold numbers of innocent civilians!!

"...(H)urt civilians..."?! It most-definitely WILL hurt civilians, countless numbers of them as Kucinich said above, WITH THEIR DEATHS IN UNTOLD NUMBERS!!

This is being diplomatic?! Being mealy-mouthed?! PLEASE!!

Yah, Kucinich, heed your own words: "...No amount of public relations or smooth talking can change that..."!! No amount of toning the truth down, and watering it down, can change the actual truth!! So, stop being mealy-mouthed and completely tell it like it is without prevarication!!

Just say it: The U.S. and allied attack on Syria IS a war crime and a crime against humanity!! Don't sugar coat it!!

#
 
 
+47 # John S. Browne 2014-09-25 13:59
#

STOP *ALL* CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND WAR CRIMES, INCLUDING AND PARTICULARLY THE WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND ITS ALLIES!!

#
 
 
+36 # OTOHIMHO 2014-09-25 15:39
The definition of a failed state appears to be one from which we have thus far failed to extract the natural resources. For me, the scales were lifted by Marine Gen. Smedley Butler, who described being hauled from one "failed" banana republic to another in his epic work War if a Racket (free on line). It passed almost unnoticed when just three days ago Afghanistan's Hamid Karzai bitterly described U.S. involvement as advancing corporate rather than democratic goals,( he was immediately denounced as an ingrate by Ambassador Cunningham )but this resource map of the country would seem to shed a new light on the subject: http://thenewslink.com/Afghanistan-Mineral-Map.html
 
 
+77 # tedrey 2014-09-25 17:40
What can I add except that Dennis (I hereby befriend him) once again tells it like it is, in the face of all the liars and connivers in government, business, and press. No wonder both Democs and Repubs agreed in maneuvering him out of office.
 
 
+50 # wrknight 2014-09-25 17:48
The democrats are as bad as the republicans. It's time to end this two party duopoly. I'm going to find someone else to vote for in November. Maybe I'll go "GREEN". I know I'm probably throwing my vote away, but if I don't switch, I can't expect anyone else to switch.
 
 
+39 # cmp 2014-09-25 18:40
I live in Arizona and here is our breakdown for the Presidential in the last 4 cycles:

2012 - Mitt Romney
2008 - John McCain
2004 - George Bush
2000 - George Bush

I don't think that it's even possible to "Throw Your Vote Away" in Arizona..

PS:
In 9 Presidential Cycles, I have lived in either NY or Arizona. And, I have never once voted for Major Party Candidate for President. I'm quite proud of that record..

(..but, I did Vote for Dennis in the Pre-Presidentia l and I worked for his Campaign a few times.)

You go with your own heart, Brother!!!
 
 
+3 # JJS 2014-09-27 05:39
Voting, especially voting the "bums" out, is exactly what needs to be accomplished. Just remember to vote not JUST for president but for all the other positions in government that support the president and your interests. If your choice of prez doesn't have a supportive congress, then he will be ineffective. If your state has a "bum" Governor or county Executive or school board or dog catcher your voice and your collective voice will not be heard either.
Governance is a "from the ground up" process.
 
 
+24 # wantrealdemocracy 2014-09-25 19:17
How can voting for what you want be called "Throwing your vote away?" Selecting our government is much more complicated that backing 'your' team in a football match. How can a working American call either the Democrats or the Republicans their team? What have either of these two corporately funded parties done for the working class in the last three decades? You must stop voting for these corrupt creatures, the Ds and the Rs, and vote for what you want. Those guys want wars and global warming because that lets the top 1% increase their profits. So what our standard of living is going down and the changing climate is causing terrible harm to all life on earth. Hey! Help the rich get richer and the hell with the rest of us. If that is what you want, vote CORPORATE! Cheer for your team as we all fall into poverty and the earth can no longer support life. Are you that DUM?
 
 
+30 # WestWinds 2014-09-25 22:05
Quoting wrknight:
The democrats are as bad as the republicans. It's time to end this two party duopoly. I'm going to find someone else to vote for in November. Maybe I'll go "GREEN". I know I'm probably throwing my vote away, but if I don't switch, I can't expect anyone else to switch.


--- If the Democratic Party puts up sHillary Clinton or any other store bought Corporate Demorat as the candidate, I'm voting Green... again. (Didn't vote for Obama 2nd term; my conscience just wouldn't let me do it.)

Just think if Dennis had become president... We'd have a Department of Peace and all these people who have been murdered to steal the rights to their oil and mineral resources would still be alive. And the land Treaties with Native American Indians would have been honored.

The whole thing has been so badly done.
 
 
+10 # dsepeczi 2014-09-26 12:50
Quoting wrknight:
The democrats are as bad as the republicans. It's time to end this two party duopoly. I'm going to find someone else to vote for in November. Maybe I'll go "GREEN". I know I'm probably throwing my vote away, but if I don't switch, I can't expect anyone else to switch.


I'm joining you. If we automatically accept that there's nothing we can do but vote for more dems because they're the lesser of two evils ... then we'll never do better than the lesser of two evils. I want to join others in starting an eventual trend that will allow voters to vote for someone that's actually good.
 
 
+43 # Inspired Citizen 2014-09-25 18:17
The U.S. has been post-constituti onal for quite a while now. This administration has accelerated the shift from a quasi-democrati c Republic to a fascistic Empire. At least Karl Rove had the gonads to announce, in 2004, "We're an empire now."
 
 
+7 # WestWinds 2014-09-25 22:09
Quoting Inspired Citizen:
The U.S. has been post-constitutional for quite a while now. This administration has accelerated the shift from a quasi-democratic Republic to a fascistic Empire. At least Karl Rove had the gonads to announce, in 2004, "We're an empire now."


Is that "fascistic" Empire, or farceistic Empire?
 
 
+65 # MidwesTom 2014-09-25 18:42
As far as I know, Dennis has always told the truth. That may be why the Ohio Democrats would not help him. He deserves all of our support.
 
 
+18 # wantrealdemocracy 2014-09-25 19:28
Kucinich never really ran for President. He only campaigned in states with a high number of Greens registered. At all of his events his main activity was to get Greens to change their registration to Democrat to block Nader from any chance of getting elected. I'm proud to say that I 'threw my vote away' and voted for Nader every time I had a chance. Imagine what our nation could have been had he been elected---well, to tell the truth, he would be dead. Some lone crazy gunman would have killed him as was done to Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, or maybe his plane would crash on a sunny day as happened to Paul Wellstone.
 
 
+5 # Nominae 2014-09-25 21:30
Quoting wantrealdemocracy:
Some lone crazy gunman would have killed him as was done to Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, or maybe his plane would crash on a sunny day as happened to Paul Wellstone.


Your "facts" of history come into serious and justifiable question when they are *demonstrably* incorrect .... providing all the more reason to question your eminently fantastic conjecture regarding Kucinich and Nader.

Better google the assassination of Malcolm X.

Far from being killed by a "lone gunman", Malcolm X was publicly assassinated by a wad of Black Muslim "soldiers" allegedly
under orders from Louis Farrakhan.

This took place inside a public speaking hall in broad daylight, and in full view of, and in close quarters with, witnesses including Malcolm's family.

Then, in the mood of researching actual fact, a "review" of the "Kucinich Conspiracy Theory" in re: Nader might be found to be of considerable benefit.

Neither you, nor anyone else other than Kucinich himself, can say what was on Kucinich's mind while he campaigned.
 
 
+5 # cmp 2014-09-26 00:26
~"Neither you, nor anyone else other than Kucinich himself, can say what was on Kucinich's mind while he campaigned."~

Amen.. Well said..

On November 15th, 2007, the Democrats and CNN, tried to block Dennis & Mike Gravel from being on the Las Vegas stage. Dennis, spent the whole day in a Clarke County Courthouse fighting to be included. He in fact, arrived late for the pre - debate rituals..

He was understandably, "fired up..!!!"

Here is the debate, condensed to only his responses.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWWBwf2wHE

at (5:40) minutes, is the infamous "That's because, I read it.."
at (7:00) minutes, is my personal favorite "Impeach! Impeach NOW!!!"

I heard him say after the debate, that he planned on suing the Democratic Party & CNN for their attempt at Political Censorship. I'm not sure, if he ever carried through with this.. Do you know, if he did?
 
 
+3 # Nominae 2014-09-26 03:35
Quoting cmp:
......I heard him say after the debate, that he planned on suing the Democratic Party & CNN for their attempt at Political Censorship. I'm not sure, if he ever carried through with this.. Do you know, if he did?


I do not have that information at hand, no, but I am certain that it can be researched to a satisfactory conclusion.

Thank you for both the YouTube connection, and for your input in general.
 
 
+3 # cmp 2014-09-26 16:46
Yeah, I apologize because I don't have time to research all this stuff. And, of course my memory is certainly not the best of credible sources..!! lol..!!

But, we get the idea..

The Democratic Party (DNC, etc.) did not have a "real" Primary in 2012. So, in 2016, it will be real interesting (..the censorship game). And, we can easily predict plenty of "new rules" to silence anything "outside of the box" on their National Stage, and with their microphone...

Ditto. I always enjoy your posts!
 
 
+8 # WestWinds 2014-09-25 22:11
Quoting wantrealdemocracy:
Kucinich never really ran for President. He only campaigned in states with a high number of Greens registered. At all of his events his main activity was to get Greens to change their registration to Democrat to block Nader from any chance of getting elected. I'm proud to say that I 'threw my vote away' and voted for Nader every time I had a chance. Imagine what our nation could have been had he been elected---well, to tell the truth, he would be dead. Some lone crazy gunman would have killed him as was done to Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, or maybe his plane would crash on a sunny day as happened to Paul Wellstone.


--- I bet if Dennis Kucinich ran on the Green Party ticket we'd see a seismic shift in the voting numbers.
 
 
+23 # futhark 2014-09-25 22:26
Dennis Kucinich demonstrates that most rare of traits in a politician: critical thinking skills.
 
 
+8 # EmilyCragg 2014-09-25 19:45
I think the real reason we're bombing Syria is ETs have a domicile there. Assad hasn't in any way given permission for this outrage.

ISIS/ISIL is >STAGED< CHAOS. https://public.isishq.com/public/clients/default.aspx . . . ISIS is an American Defense contractor with projects in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Indeed, their goals are threefold: 1) profiteering for war industries and 2) installation of martial law and 3) population reduction as per Globalism.

AlQaeda is an NSA database; so the whole scenario is phony as $3 bills.

Something else has to be doing on.

EEWC
 
 
+10 # corals33 2014-09-25 20:11
If you can get used to the multi multi-billionai res in your society and not realise that eventually they will have the power to do exactly what they want,then you can easily get used to the abuse awaiting you.Destruction of the poor is IN their poverty.Let's see who can come up with an ACRONYM for wholesale slaughter and genocide.
 
 
+2 # crispy 2014-09-25 20:26
Humm I heard on the Bill Frisk show (spelling?) that Congress failed to appropriate a penny while authorizing the president request for "action" and only $500 million for it
Did they appropriate money or not?
The day before Norman Goldman was talking about 30Billion but perhaps both houses had not voted...
WHERE does one get facts these days??
 
 
+4 # crispy 2014-09-25 20:29
OH I apologize, it's the Bill Press show where i heard it...AFTER CONGRESS ajourned
 
 
-16 # BKnowswhitt 2014-09-25 22:48
You've stood on higher ground than this Mr. Kucinich. Be careful to not stoop so low as to blame it all on the USA. At the core of the argument to bomb ISIS and take either 'bad side' per each corrupt country in that region - and let's face it they are all corrupt. Is that there is a moral corruption that runs through them all. Though it may be true that passive aggressive and aggressive and passive usa policy has created some of these transmutations. But you can not discount the reprehensible animalistic behaviour by these groups in regard to human life. This is at the core of the problem. We sir did not create that .. why don't they lay it all down like Ghandi or MLK .. if we are the morally corrupt? Because that's just not the case here .. it ain't about Oil it's about what they'll do with that dough like Ghadafi did in Libya and more .. oh yeah shoot me all the negs you want .. i don't give a shit ...
 
 
-15 # BKnowswhitt 2014-09-25 22:52
And BTW it remains a small segment of sick barbaric alpha male distorted behaviour which is a small small segment of Muslim people. They kill all - women children .. anyone and everything .. how can you be so fuckin sick to blame Obama? He didn't create shit here .. in fact his Muslim background has been a main driver in staying out of it .. except now when it's apparent we must take action ... go USA!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!1
 
 
+6 # CTPatriot 2014-09-26 03:40
Where would this country and Obama be without it's loyal "Good Germans" like yourself.
 
 
+2 # BKnowswhitt 2014-09-27 10:04
Pre WWII Germany had help from many in the West in their willingness to turn a blind eye to what was evolving with Hitler .. it seems that I am not on this one . and you are my friend ..
 
 
+4 # Dr. Amy L. Beam 2014-09-26 05:33
I have visited 13 Yezidi refugee camps in Turkey. 27,000 Yezidis fled ISIS and are in these camps. Their families and neighbors were barbaricly slaughtered, kidnapped and raped. They lost their houses, cars, money, businesses, and communities. Now they have nothing. They are wondering what is taking the international community, especially the U.S. from taking action on the ground against ISIS. They cry and ask, "Doesn't anyone care about us?"

The U.S. destroyed the infrastructure in Iraq and caused the present situation. I agree with Kucinich about US creating ISIS. The U.S. bears moral responsibility now to stop the monster of ISIS. As if the attack in August on the Yezidis was not terrible enough, this last weekend ISIS attacked the towns around Kobane, Syria. Turkey allow 440,000 Syrian Kurds to walk over the border into Turkey causing a huge humanitarian crisis. They also were brutally attacked like the Yezidis were last month. These are ethnic cleansings of Yezidis and Kurds. Kurds had grown very powerful and were controlling NE Syria. In three days that centralized power of Kurds has been destroyed. This makes Turkey happy which is why they would let so many Kurds cross the border. It is hard to be powerful when you have nothing.

continued next comment...
 
 
+13 # tedrey 2014-09-26 06:53
:The U.S. destroyed the infrastructure in Iraq and caused the present situation. I agree with Kucinich about US creating ISIS. The U.S. bears moral responsibility now to stop the monster of ISIS."

Which involves giving as much financial and humanitarian help as possible through local governments and the UN, and letting THEM decide how to handle ISIS, while refraining from repeating the same U.S.-centered military approach which has never worked and always made things worse for the populations involved! (Parce that, neocons!)
 
 
0 # BKnowswhitt 2014-09-27 09:47
Which is why we must respond. This is not the debate to invade iraq 2002 which i Vehemently opposed. No matter how USA previous caused this or that .. we have to respond in the now to morally right and wrong .. Obama is trying to do that .. at least once now we have stepped in on a humanitarian crisis (again partially created by USA i aggree) .. instead of sit on the sidelines and watch the senseless killing of innocents go on ..... again i say go USA .. in spite of our contentious past ...
 
 
+7 # Dr. Amy L. Beam 2014-09-26 07:40
Both the Yezidis and the Kurds need the world to help them fight and destroy ISIS as well as provide them with humanitarian aid. It's the right thing to do. That means arming Kurds and also giving asylum to the refugees.

For news stories on Yezidis read more at http://kurdistantribune.com/?s=amy+l+beam
 
 
+7 # MJnevetS 2014-09-26 14:14
Dr. Beam, you say: "Both the Yezidis and the Kurds need the world to help them fight and destroy ISIS as well as provide them with humanitarian aid." Nonetheless, a war can not be waged against an embedded terrorist group by conducting a bombing campaign. As our intelligence warned in Iraq, that will merely result in a local population which will ultimately support the terrorists (That's how ISIL(S) formed and gained momentum in the first place!) Bombing a population because 1% (or even 50%) are terrorists is a no win situation, which only creates future freedom fighters (in their minds) terrorists (in our press). Unfortunately this subversive neocon thinking has become pervasive in most Western Nations. I don't know what the best solution is, but I do know what the worst is...Bombing a foreign population!
 
 
0 # tgemberl 2014-09-26 17:09
You're making some good points. The responsibility for defeating ISIS must fall on the people in the region. But without some air support, they appear unable to stand up against ISIS at this time. The worst thing that could happen right now would be for ISIS to expand its territory. The bombing is probably the only thing stopping that now.
 
 
+10 # RMDC 2014-09-26 08:53
Dennis Kucinich for President.

He's one of the very few who has been to Washington and still can tell the truth.
 
 
-2 # tgemberl 2014-09-26 12:52
Kucinich:
"There were alternatives. The U.S. and the international community could have contained and shrunk ISIS by cutting off its funds and its revenue from sale of oil on the black market."

How?
 
 
0 # tgemberl 2014-09-26 17:10
Isn't the black market a more or less uncontrollable thing? If someone knows what Kucinich is talking about here, I'd be curious to know.
 
 
-2 # BKnowswhitt 2014-09-27 09:50
Kuchi is crying crocodile tears due to the fact that when he was on base vs. Bush et al .. both parties helped get him ousted for telling the truth .. on this one . he's a bit off .. though his overall drift is alright with regard to poiinting out USA involvement and oil policies .. we get that .. but he's not on page to current usa response nor Obama's role ..
 
 
-3 # elkingo 2014-09-27 12:23
Even conceding everything Kucinich says, the prevalence of the war-psychosis, oil profiteering, the truism that we created ISIS, the fact that our dear allies the Saudis are a barbarous, theo-monarchy, the gamut - still, ISIS exhibits every significant feature of Nazi Germany: imperialist, cultist, fanaticism, racist and genocidal. There is a moral imperative to destroy them. I am appalled that I have to say this. It is after all advocacy of the violent deaths of probably tens of thousands. I follow the late, great Susan Sontag: "I am an anti-war activist, not a pacifist". And these assholes (ISIS) gotta go. O yeah I nearly forgot: we gotta ditch oil anyway. And I think that poor Obama, whatever his flaws, shaped up like Abraham Lincoln at the UN that day.
 
 
+1 # elkingo 2014-09-27 13:13
PS: Dr. Amy: Right On, Sister
 
 
-2 # tahoevalleylines 2014-10-02 11:43
Dennis Kucinich has not read unabridged Qur'an verses revealing very clear and definite instructions for dealing with unbelievers, Jews & Christians. Nor have Juan Cole & Noam Chomsky, to mention two luminaries to whom followers of this page pay obeisance.

O'Toole's "Lawrence", fictionalized as it may be, spoke volumes when he said of the M.E. tribal collective: "You are a little people and you always shall be a little people". What else can we apprize, from a worldwide movement dedicated to claiming real estate and especially, removing the Jew from the planet?

While we are at the movies, recall Gen. Omar Bradley's remark to Patton: I can read a map, George".... As long as Iran's Mullahs and dupes make noises against Israel, the west will keep a ring of steel round about Iran. Strategic thinking is not a strong point of our young prez, but events beyond America's control have "put hooks in our jaw". We chose our fate when we traded a rail based economic model for Middle East fueled rubber tire transport & distribution.

If Pakistan likewise gets deep into Israel bashing, they will go the way of Iran.

Making marks on comments does not change reality. Winston Churchill was no friend of Mohammedanism; Iran can simply be thankful they have gotten as much time as they have. Iran is nearly out of time to redirect their aims & goals while their land & people are intact....
 

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