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Weissman writes: "Which bothers you more? General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, publicly warning that Obama might have to send in ground troops to defeat Islamic State? Or former president Jimmy Carter supporting Obama's new war?"

An image made available by the Jihadist Twitter account al-Baraka news on June 16, 2014 allegedly shows ISIS militants executing members of the Iraqi forces on the Iraqi-Syrian border. (photo: AFP)
An image made available on the jihadist Twitter account al-Baraka on June 16, 2014, allegedly shows ISIS militants executing members of the Iraqi forces on the Iraqi-Syrian border. (photo: AFP)


Doesn't Someone Have to Do Something to Stop Islamic State?

By Steve Weissman, Reader Supported News

20 September 14

 

hich bothers you more? General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, publicly warning that Obama might have to send in ground troops to defeat Islamic State? Or former president Jimmy Carter supporting Obama’s new war?

Dempsey’s quick-fire mission creep came as no surprise. Many generals insist – correctly, in my view – that air power alone cannot possibly destroy the jihadis on the ground. But neither can ground troops – not even hundreds of thousands of them. Didn’t we learn that from the Bush-Cheney-Blair fiasco in Iraq? Giving Islamic State the war it wants will help them far more than it hurts them and could encourage a cataclysmic sectarian war between Sunni and Shia Muslims.

Carter’s support for Obama’s war also came as no surprise, at least not for those who remember the past president’s provocative and far-from-peaceloving support of the mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet troops marched in. But his latest pro-war position seems to reflect a concern that many progressives share. I see it in emails from old friends and fellow activists. Their question is poignant: Doesn’t someone have to do something to stop the brutal medievalists of Islamic State?

The least satisfactory response is to deflect the question. Just check out the comments below from truthers, followers of Lyndon Larounche, and others of an overly conspiratorial bent. They see Islamic State as nothing more than an American creation, which Obama or his “deep-state” string-pullers put in place to justify an endless war on terror, an attack on Bashir al-Assad in Syria, a renewed intervention in Iraq, and an even larger U.S. military presence in the Middle East. If Obama continues to take the bait, Islamic State will certainly promote all of the above. But those who see “false flags” everywhere miss the plot. Why refuse to give Islamic radicals the credit or blame for making their own history?

As I pointed out back in 2004 in “Jesus, Jihadis, and the Red-State Blues,”

Believers in a radically politicized jihad, or holy war, fervently seek a righteous, rejuvenated Islam, one that recaptures all lands that Moslems once ruled, especially those now dominated by Jews and Christian “crusaders.” Organizing themselves for over a hundred years in clandestine groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, the jihadis directly shaped both Hamas and al-Qaeda. But now thanks to Mr. Bush, his overly militarized War on Terror, his use of torture and sexual humiliation, and his sending troops to occupy Iraq, the once small minority has gained greater support among the world’s Moslems than anyone could have reasonably expected.

Islamic State follows in this long and troubled tradition, just as Obama tries to follow Bush without those nasty incidentals like torture-based intelligence, ground troops, and all-out occupation. The problem, foreshadowed by General Dempsey and his fellow generals, is that half-measures too often grease the skids into the full disaster.

In Syria, Obama had the CIA covertly help Saudi Arabia and Qatar arm the ISIS militants who are now Islamic State, and many saw the group as a pawn of Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud. Readers may remember him as Bandar Bush, the Saudi prince who served as Riyadh’s ambassador to Washington for many years and went on to head Saudi intelligence, spearheading the Sunni war against Assad in Syria. Bandar left that role back in April, as others in the royal family expressed fears that Islamic State would soon unleash its militants on its former Saudi supporters the same way Osama bin Laden did between 2003 and 2006. Until February, Islamic State was affiliated with al Qaeda, but the two groups are now competing for leadership of radical Islam.

This makes Islamic State all too real, and the search for a solution all too urgent. “It’s a question of simple humanism,” wrote a friend. What should we do to stop these vile idiots from killing “potentially tens or hundreds of thousands” of innocent people they see as infidels?

No one has a workable solution for the short term. But a middle-term solution that could work is staring us in the face. Chelsea Manning, the former army intelligence analyst now serving 35 years in military custody for WikiLeaking government secrets, offered the beginning of wisdom last week. Get out of the way and let Islamic State degrade and destroy itself.

Working as an all-source analyst in Iraq in 2009-2010, Manning carefully tracked intelligence reports on the Sunni insurgency. He saw in these reports the first signs of Islamic State, or ISIS, which was growing out of Musab al-Zarqawi’s al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). The militants were attacking civilians with suicide- and car-bombings in downtown Baghdad, trying to provoke American intervention and sectarian unrest. But Manning noted that their recruiting often failed “when American and Iraqi forces refused (or were unable) to respond because the barbarity and brutality of their attacks worked against them.”

Manning also noted that the contrary was too often true. When the Americans and Iraqis did respond, the jihadis could convince their fellow Sunnis that the attacks, no matter how brutal, were the only way to fight back against the American occupiers and the Shia government of former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Manning’s insight here is key. “Let ISIS succeed in setting up a failed ‘state’ – in a contained area and over a long enough period of time to prove itself unpopular and unable to govern. This might begin to discredit the leadership and ideology of ISIS for good.”

In other words, let Islamic State defeat itself. Stand aside and let its fellow Sunnis turn against it.

The other part of a workable solution is for a fed-up public in the US and Europe to force Big Oil and its political lackeys to stop backing corrupt Sunni dictators across the Persian Gulf and through Northern Africa. And there's no better place to start than with the Saudi theocracy, which – as the Guardian’s Seamus Milne reminds us – has “beheaded dozens in public in recent months, including for ‘sorcery.’”

Milne pushes us even further. “The alternative to Obama’s new Middle East war,” he writes, “is concerted pressure for UN-backed agreement between the main regional powers, including Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to wind down the Syria conflict and back a genuine unity government in Iraq. An end to western support for the Egyptian dictatorship would also help.”

At this point, not even Elizabeth Warren would support such a solution. I doubt that Bernie Sanders would go for it either. But another Howard Dean would, if only we could find one. In the meantime, progressives need to spell out something like the Manning-Milne solution and build support for it.



A veteran of the Berkeley Free Speech Movement and the New Left monthly Ramparts, Steve Weissman lived for many years in London, working as a magazine writer and television producer. He now lives and works in France, where he is researching a new book, "Big Money and the Corporate State: How Global Banks, Corporations, and Speculators Rule and How to Nonviolently Break Their Hold."

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+22 # RMDC 2014-09-20 14:09
Well, I guess if you think fighting boogie men is a good idea, then go on and attack ISIS. It is like Don Quixote charging his lance at windmills. Manning's solution at least is aware that the boogiemen will be outed by their own people.

This article presents a classic logical fallacy - the false dilemma. Which would you rather have X or Y. Well, why not T. Or, R. Or something else. Someone has to do something about ISIS.

Weissman's attempt to preempt his critics who will cite history or the CIA is pretty lame. Just denying history and admitting a part of it and then ignoring that part does not make a case for doing something stupid now.

First Obama tries the false flag sarin gas attack and said that Syria has crossed a "red line." But that backfired as soon as the false flag was proven to be false. Obama's own terrorists used the sarin gas. this is not about ISIS. It is about regime change in Syria. In a few weeks when the bombing of Damascus has begun, no one will be talking about ISIS.

For about the 1000th time -- ISIS is a CIA proxy/mercenary army and that is the important issue. Of course Saudi Arabia plays a big role now as it did in the 80s and 90s and just because Bandar Bush is no longer head of Saudi Intelligence it does not mean he is not running the proxy army on behalf of the Bush family and its operatives like Obama.
 
 
-28 # Benjamin Franklin 2014-09-20 23:06
RMDC: Do you wear your tinfoil hat at night, or do you take it off before bed?
 
 
+27 # RMDC 2014-09-21 06:29
Benjamin Franklin, Nice to hear from you old Ben F. Didn't know you were still among the living. Actually I don't have a tin foil hat. Maybe you can sell me one. I try to be skeptical of people who want to start wars and profit from them. I try to read things and make connections. Remember, the failure to "connect the dots" was one reason why the 9-11 plotters were successful.

You used to be a good skeptic of people in power. Didn't you once reply to a woman who approached you after the constitutional convention and asked "Well, doctor, what have we got. A monarchy or a republic?" Didn't you say, "A republic, madame, if you can keep it."

In those days as you remember "republic" meant a revolutionary government and the overthrow of the oligarchs and monarchs. You must know we have lost the republic because no one questions authority. They are too submissive.

Now we have the oligarchy you once fought against. I guess you are getting old and tired. Happens to the best of us.
 
 
0 # makinghay 2014-09-21 21:00
Indeed we need a solution. But not the failed solutions of the past. We need something that will ease the situation and make EVERYONE happy. Not possible you think? Then you obviously haven't heard of this:
http://www.gapwm.org/a-new-paradigm-2013/
Hopefully soon the powers that be will start to pay attention; if they really want to solve the problem that is.
 
 
+55 # James38 2014-09-21 00:50
Funny, but a few facts might help. This current crop of fanatics is a direct outgrowth of the totally unjustified war of aggression started by G W Bush and his cohort of War Criminals, including Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, and others. Saddam was bad, but not a threat to the US. The US wrecked the Iraqi society and destabilized the whole region even more than had been done before.

Previously, in 1953, the US CIA/British MI6 engineered a coup that removed the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh. That was a major mistake which finally resulted in the present totalitarian religious regime in that country.

We can do little to correct that awful mistake, but it doesn't make sense to walk away from the current mess in Iraq and Syria, leaving the public to face the madness of a fanatical murderous army armed with weapons we provided, in a political, social, and military vacuum that we caused.

It might help if the US finally admitted the mistakes of the Bush administration, and put that bunch of War Criminals in prison where they belong. Somehow we need to break the cycle of stupid foreign policy errors that are just made more difficult to correct or avoid by our policy of pretending we never made the mistakes in the first place.

We are in a similar situation in the Ukraine, where US and NATO policy made a game of trying to wrest Ukraine away from its connections with Russia, blaming Putin for the whole problem.
 
 
+4 # Khidr 2014-09-22 12:40
I would include in the list of War Criminals, Hillary Clinton, Susan Powers, Rice, our ineffective Secy of State Kerry. This is not a American policy at work, but rather a neo cons & liberal, Israel's, War Industry etal policies at work. Time to cut all aid to Israel.
 
 
+2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-09-22 18:23
Is it another war crime to force U.S. soldiers and others into a country when those soldiers may have little or no knowledge that that country was doused, polluted with a very deadly "junk" isotope removed from uranium which is 60-70 % as deadly as naturally occurring Uranium? And which was used as an "ideal" deadly slowly life suffocating ammunition. Think the answer is in the question. How horrible can the U.S. military and politicians become before we as a country start inviting "push back" nukes in brief cases to start entering our country? Bush and Cheney, all thew while, laughing their way to the banks. How horrible is extreme insanity?
 
 
+1 # RLF 2014-09-23 06:50
Whatever the history, we now have a group of people in the world that want to live in a fundamentalist Muslim country...and until we let them have that and until they get good and sick of it, it will never change. The wars Bush so stupidly started leave us facing 30 years of butthole governments in the world and the only thing that will change them in a real way is their own hubris...sort of like was beginning to happen in Iran before Bush/Cheney made one of the dumbest decisions a US pres. has ever made.
 
 
+10 # lfeuille 2014-09-21 18:17
The thing is that "proxy/mercenar y armies", once established, are not controllable. They take on activities never envisioned by their creators.
 
 
+18 # Billy Bob 2014-09-20 19:13
ISIS=PNAC
 
 
+1 # Khidr 2014-09-22 12:41
ISIS=PNAC=AIPAC
 
 
+31 # DaveM 2014-09-20 21:55
If it is necessary to protect civilians and noncombatants from this ongoing war, why is it the duty of the United States to do the protecting? Isn't that what the U.N. Peacekeeping Force is for? The French Foreign Legion serves with the UN Peacekeeping Force. Let's see how brave the zealots are in the face of a couple thousand Legionnaires!
 
 
+8 # lfeuille 2014-09-21 18:21
Quoting DaveM:
If it is necessary to protect civilians and noncombatants from this ongoing war, why is it the duty of the United States to do the protecting? Isn't that what the U.N. Peacekeeping Force is for? The French Foreign Legion serves with the UN Peacekeeping Force. Let's see how brave the zealots are in the face of a couple thousand Legionnaires!


One could argue that since we created the situation that led to the creation of ISIS by invading Iraq, it is our responsibility to clean up the mess. The problem is that our very presence serves as a recruiting tool for the extremist, so chances of containing the situation are better if be stay out.
 
 
+61 # kschuber 2014-09-20 22:17
Would Mr. Weissman please explain what right the U.S. has to do anything at all. Should the Iraqi or Syrian government be discussing what to do about conditions in American cities, prisons, etc.?
 
 
0 # James38 2014-09-22 10:52
The problem is that the US caused the mess, so should help fix it.
 
 
+4 # RMDC 2014-09-22 12:30
James38. The US has never fixed anything. It is good at casuing problems, killing a lot of people, blowing up their nations, and poisioning their environments for 1000s of years. But it has never repaired any of the damage it has done. The whole world knows this. Americans do not. The whole would just wants the US to stay the fuck away.
 
 
+1 # RLF 2014-09-23 06:52
They can't fix it. They caused a mentality and that can only be changed by nonmilitary means.
 
 
+32 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-09-20 22:24
A crime. To send in American soldiers or soldiers from any other country into a land doused with D U. D U is a weapon of mass destruction. How so? D U is a removed isotope from naturally occurring uranium. Once removed, we have "enriched" uranium. The removed isotope, called D U is much heavier than lead. D U is approximately 60-70 % as deadly as naturally occurring uranium. Was and may now still be used as ammunition in Iraq. Hundreds of metric tons of D U was spread across Iraq, especially Southern Iraq as a radioactive powder. Once the projectile leaves the firing chamber, it ignites. Upon impact such as a tank, it usually penetrates and leaves a deadly powder residue outside the tank and inside. Continues burning. Winds carry D U. D U gets into the water supplies, plants, animals. Operator inhales D U. Affects his DNA, sperm. Eventually, if the operator is not killed, gets discharged from the military. Returns home, marries his sweetheart. Has a child. Child born with one eye, maybe no eyes, sometimes only one arm, maybe no arms.

Doubt any of the horrible effects of D U. Check the facts out for yourself. Type into your computer address bar, "deadly effects of D U, Iraq." Type in anything you want as long as you mention health effects of using D U, Iraq.

The U.S. was using a weapon of mass destruction in Iraq as an ammo. Also known as a "micro-nuke." Is Obama using D U? Who knows? Winds from Iraq have carried D U and was detected as far away as the U.K.
 
 
+12 # wantrealdemocracy 2014-09-21 11:53
Isn't the crime to have covered the land with DU? We, the United States. are the criminal who did this evil deed. The actions of the government of the United States are not done with the approval or knowledge of the people of this nation. We are kept in the dark and fed lies on top of more lies.

It is our duty as citizens of this nation to rise up against our corrupt fascist government. Don't like the word fascist used to describe our government? Is not our government plainly controlled by the wealthy elite? That is fascism. It is not by any stretch of the imagination a democracy.
 
 
+7 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-09-21 21:40
Bush and Cheney were saved from extradition. Spain was one country which wanted to prosecute. The U.S. refused to cooperate with Spain.

Incidentally, do not believe reports which the Department of Veterans Affairs have stated. Such as, "so far there have been no known ill health effects reported by those who have been exposed to D U." The military as is true with others, "you will never find what you are not looking for." You need to access reports by international authorities. Not Department Of Veterans Affairs statements of "Fairy Dust." There are several international medical authorities who have tracked Iraqi incidence of cancer rates since before and after the war. Did the U.S. military use D U in operation "Desert Storm?" Yes

The U.S. military is engaged in a massive coverup of the deadly effects of D U. Remember "Agent Orange." According to the military, it was "merely a defoliating chemical." I met and knew two soldiers who served in the Asian conflict. I met both at a local doughnut shop. Although I did not visit the shop every day, the two discharged soldiers usually did. One day, one stopped coming to the local doughnut shop. I asked the other, "have you seen Bill lately?" The other discharged soldier said, "he died a few days ago." Formerly, when I spoke to these two former warriors both said, "doctors cannot help me. I was severely doused internally and externally with Agent Orange, I'm rotting from the inside out."
 
 
+6 # RMDC 2014-09-22 07:07
Yes, the use of DU is a war crime and is directly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. But the US imperialists do not give a shit. they'd be perfectly happy to make Iraq unliveable for 1000s of years.

The whole idea of the US fixing anything is just absurd. What good has it ever done in the world. SE Asia will need a hundred more years to recover from the catastrophe the US created there in the 50s to 70s. Korea will need a hundred more years to recover. All of Latin America still suffers from covert US wars, coups, dictatorships. And Africa is still deformed from US coups and dictatorships. Why would anything think the US has any good intentions in the middle east.

The truth is that the US intends to kill millions of people and destroy the lives of 10s of millions more. That's what it does and that is what the US is. If you don't know this, you are seriously deluded, including the author of this article.
 
 
+28 # jimbo 2014-09-20 23:27
the core of the problem remains to be discussed. Christianity and Islam both mandate adherents convert others. These demands impact all levels of these religions, Christians hate Muslims, evangelicals hate roman catholics, sunni hates shia, world without end. The outcomes of these demands of conversions are evident across history, hatred, murder and wars. These issues must be addressed and solved else imo mankind is doomed, unless it kills itself for greed first. Non-existent supernatural beings are very difficult to dislodge, the power involved is huge, but one must remember, that power is for itself only, there are no gods.
 
 
+20 # hereandnow 2014-09-21 01:08
You are very correct. Christians think they are so lilly white and innocent and the ones who are called on to protect and rid the world of this so called menace, when in fact if we look at the continents of North and South America it was the Christian ideology that wiped out most of the inhabitans of those vast continents, stole their wealth and stole their land and then set off to do the same in Africa, Australia and New Zealand. So now the good Christian peoples of the world, who have grown fat and complacent with their ill begotten riches are upset that a relative new comer on the rape, pillage and pluner stage looks like it is going to cut in on their business and usurp some land and worst of all .... some oil.
Until the lock on the human soul of the mafia of priests and politicians of all persuasions is exposed and broken, this will continue. And sorry to pop the bubble of righteousness but what IS is doing is not any different than what other religions, including first and foremost Christianity, have done, the only difference is that they have modern weapons and modern means of communicaiton at their disposal, other than that, no difference. The solution?
Expose the lie of all religions.
 
 
+14 # tm7devils 2014-09-21 07:17
...the point of which has been proven, time and time again...for war in the Middle East, all one needs is a religion - and help from a hegemonic government - the US.
The US Gov doesn't want to spread democracy...it' s hard to start a war between democracies - who would then make a profit? If the average person in this country would wake up they would find out that we had lost our government at least 35 years ago...
It's beginning to look like a toss-up as to what will do this planet in...wars and instability or global warming...flip a coin.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2014-09-21 09:26
Quoting jimbo:
the core of the problem remains to be discussed. Christianity and Islam both mandate adherents convert others. These demands impact all levels of these religions, Christians hate Muslims, evangelicals hate roman catholics, sunni hates shia, world without end. The outcomes of these demands of conversions are evident across history, hatred, murder and wars. These issues must be addressed and solved else imo mankind is doomed, unless it kills itself for greed first. Non-existent supernatural beings are very difficult to dislodge, the power involved is huge, but one must remember, that power is for itself only, there are no gods.

Or as the late George Carlin put it so succinctly: "Do you believe in God"? "No" -"BANG"
"Do you believe in God"? -"Yes". "Do you believe in MY God"? -"No" -"BANG"!
 
 
+8 # wantrealdemocracy 2014-09-21 11:58
Hate, hate and more hate. Isn't it time to give love a chance? We have been at war for decades and what has come of that but more war, more hate and more destruction.

Maybe we need to try another way to live together is peace. Let's just declare victory and bring all of our troops home to go to work taking care of our many problems at home. Cut the military budget and fully fund our domestic programs. Let's change the membership in our House of Representatives and Senate. Demand that these elected official vote as directed by their constituents.
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2014-09-21 18:26
Quoting jimbo:
the core of the problem remains to be discussed. Christianity and Islam both mandate adherents convert others. These demands impact all levels of these religions, Christians hate Muslims, evangelicals hate roman catholics, sunni hates shia, world without end. The outcomes of these demands of conversions are evident across history, hatred, murder and wars. These issues must be addressed and solved else imo mankind is doomed, unless it kills itself for greed first. Non-existent supernatural beings are very difficult to dislodge, the power involved is huge, but one must remember, that power is for itself only, there are no gods.


It is a problem that cannot be solved. History proves that trying to suppress religion does not work. What does, apparently work according to social scientists is creating societies where people feel secure, both physically and economically and feel less need for magical intervention in their lives. So endless war is obviously counter-product ive.
 
 
+2 # fdawei 2014-09-21 01:48
Shouldn't ISIS be called what it really is? Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant...ISIL.
 
 
+16 # RMDC 2014-09-21 06:33
The Obama regime is trying really hard to get us all to use ISIL and not ISIS. Did you ever wonder why? Names are important. They are not about ISIS, ISIL, IS, or anyone over there in the middle east. They are about us and how we use language as a template laid over the world. Words are our roadmap to the world. Where is Obama trying to directs us to go with his name switch.

Both names were created by the CIA. Where do they want us to direct our thinking?

Really I think this gang of murderers and terrorists should be called CIA-IS. The original of ISIS was called the mujahadeen. Then it was al Qaeda, another name invented by the US regime for a middle east proxy army it created.
 
 
+2 # ericlipps 2014-09-21 08:41
Quoting fdawei:
Shouldn't ISIS be called what it really is? Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant...ISIL.

It goes by both names, which can be confusing.
 
 
-13 # Phxcoyote 2014-09-21 02:13
So the problem is religion in general. How does North Korea sound? Sounds like nirvana for those wanting to escape religion. Who can forget the secular religion free countries that killed over 100 million since WW2?

It must get exhausting trying to tie all the world's problems to Christianity and the USA. Christian people have done horrible things. But the horrible acts were not committed in the name of Christianity.

Examples of acts done in the name of Christianity include the Red Cross, Salvation Army, hospitals, higher education, orphanages etc... Are they perfect? No, but they attempt to make the world a better place.
 
 
+26 # Glen 2014-09-21 05:38
Christianity:
*Burning witches
*The Crusades
*Stealing land from indigenous people to set up parishes and build missions.
*Beheading leaders of indigenous people.
*Killing thousands of women for being witches or similar, throughout Europe.
*A country that claims to be Christian attacking sovereign countries and killing millions.
*American churches supporting hate campaigns against gays, burning the Koran.

The list is long, and certainly not all crimes are committed by Christians, but if one takes a good long look at today and history, the issues surrounding Christianity are obvious.
 
 
+8 # Dr. Amy L. Beam 2014-09-21 03:07
It is easy for you to recommend that Kurds in Syria and Iraq and Ezidis in Iraq just willingly give their land, homes, businesses, and lives to the violent, criminal Islamic State. I am in Turkey and have visited 13 Yezidi refugee camps. Everyone is crying for their dead and the thought that every hour Yezidi women are being repeatedly raped. One woman got a chance to call out on a secret phone and said she was raped for 18 hours straight. Last week ISIS took 4 teenaged girls to the hospital in Mosul for severe uterine bleeding due to raping. I have visited 13 Yezidi refugee locations in Turkey and heard their tragic stories of killings from IS. Everyone is crying out for U.S. help on the ground and asking why the US is waiting and WHEN will it take action. Yesterday a man posed the question: "How long would Obama wait if it were his daughter being raped?" Yesterday it was reported that another 45,000 Kurds ran for their lives from 60 villages in Kobane, Syria across the border to Turkey. Every hour that passes is a humanitarian disaster. The U.S. started these wars and now must give military weaponry and humanitarian support. The Islamic State is driving through towns in U.S. tanks and trucks. Help is urgent.
 
 
+12 # RMDC 2014-09-21 06:58
Dr. Amy Beam -- no one disputes that all the terrorists who are trying to over throws the legitimate goveernment of Syria are brutal, criminal, and horrific. But saying this does not help. You can't stop them by pointing our their acts. You can only stop them by getting to the source of their support and pinning these acts on the source. Who supports ISIS? Where does their money come from? Who makes decisions abut operations or locations? What do you know about these?

We know what an indigenous resistance looks like. It is comprised of 100% local residents of an area. ISIS has members from about 70 nations. It is a milti-national and well-trained army. Who organized it? Why are fighters coming from nearly all over the world to fight with ISIS. Who are the Americans and Europeans fighting with ISIS. How many are ex-US special forces?

You say that ISIS is driving US trucks and tanks. Is the US military or CIA supporting ISIS. What do you see from the front lines?
 
 
+1 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-09-21 09:31
TO: Dr. Amy L. Beam

Can you please explain to the RSN readers what effect D U has on soldiers, civilians, animal life and vegetation? D U, you know, is the isotope that is removed from naturally occurring Uranium. Being 60-70 % as deadly as Uranium. It is used as ammunition as it is much heavier than lead. It is considered a weapon of mass destruction. Also known as a "micro-nuke."Pl ease refer to my post just above. I have spent considerable time researching the D U subject based on the findings of international health authorities. Are you aware that hundreds of metric tons of D U now pollute Iraq, particularly Southern Iraq. Water supplies, vegetation, civilians, soldiers. Have you personally investigated the effect D U has on the alarming increase in Iraqi cancer rates based on international health authorities studies before and after the U.S. lead invasion. Is D U the cause of the significant increase in cancer rates? If U.S.and allied troops set foot on Iraqi soil, you are supporting another and a new war crime. Please be aware that if Bush, Cheney leave the U.S. and set foot in certain other countries, particularly Spain, they will be arrested for war crimes. In essence, you are supporting war crimes. What difference is there between you and Bush, Cheney?

P.S. you will never find what you are not looking for. Ask Bush, Cheney.

Gerald Ford:Whether you liked him or not, he was very courageous when he said, "all wars are fought over natural resources."
 
 
+9 # Jadhu 2014-09-21 03:17
Every once in a while, someone speaks the truth and writes clearly. I could comment, but I wouldn't be able to say it any better. In crazy times, reason goes something like this:

+2 # hereandnow 2014-09-21 01:08
You are very correct. Christians think they are so lilly white and innocent and the ones who are called on to protect and rid the world of this so called menace, when in fact if we look at the continents of North and South America it was the Christian ideology that wiped out most of the inhabitants of those vast continents, stole their wealth and stole their land and then set off to do the same in Africa, Australia and New Zealand. So now the good Christian peoples of the world, who have grown fat and complacent with their ill begotten riches are upset that a relative new comer on the rape, pillage and plunder stage looks like it is going to cut in on their business and usurp some land and worst of all .... some oil.
Until the lock on the human soul of the mafia of priests and politicians of all persuasions is exposed and broken, this will continue. And sorry to pop the bubble of righteousness but what IS is doing is not any different than what other religions, including first and foremost Christianity, have done, the only difference is that they have modern weapons and modern means of communication at their disposal, other than that, no difference. The solution?
Expose the lie of all religions.
 
 
+3 # RMDC 2014-09-22 07:16
Christianity is a death cult and it spreads the ill-effects of a death cult all over the world. How can anyone accept a religion that celebrates the torture and murder of its god. And then they ritually eat his dead body and drink his blood.

Death is needed in order to create and sanctify the identity of the cult members. So Christians go all over the world killing people and torturing them in order to sustain their christian identity. Now that they have techniques of mass killing, it is hardly a ritual killing any more. It is a mass extermination.

I don't know why people don't look at christianity for what it is. The events in the middle east are exactly what Bush originally said they were -- a continuation of the Crusades. This is a christian war to exterminate the heathen Muslims.
 
 
+1 # Khidr 2014-09-22 12:53
Just read the Old Testaments, its is kill, kill, kill.........
 
 
+15 # Charles3000 2014-09-21 06:44
Why is the US concerned about ISIL? That is an easy question to answer. The answer is not: ISIL is a threat to the USA." That is an incomplete answer. The real answer and obvious answer is: "ISIL is a threat to USA's hegemony in the mid east." What hegemony means is US control of the world oil market and maintaining the dollar as the unit of currency for the purchase of oil. This makes mid east oil the basic "backing" of the value of the dollar as gold was pre-1933. That is what both Bush wars and Obama's war is all about. The beheading of newsmen, rape of women and the plight of Israel are only items to stir up the people to get their support for action to maintain hegemony in the mid east.
 
 
-19 # moafu@yahoo.com 2014-09-21 08:16
Now let's see, what posture should I assume on a particular issue? I've read info from both sides, but still am not certain. OH, I know what to do.....what I always do....."Find out what position Jimmy Carter has taken and then take the opposite side". The 80 year old teenager needs to retire to the peanut gallery.

His gang forced the return of land for peace and Israel is still getting bombed.
 
 
+9 # ericlipps 2014-09-21 08:46
Quoting moafu@yahoo.com:
Now let's see, what posture should I assume on a particular issue? I've read info from both sides, but still am not certain. OH, I know what to do.....what I always do....."Find out what position Jimmy Carter has taken and then take the opposite side". The 80 year old teenager needs to retire to the peanut gallery.

His gang forced the return of land for peace and Israel is still getting bombed.

And do you imagine that if Israel were at daggers' points with Egypt things would be better?

Maybe you fantasize that if not for nasty ol' Carter, today there'd be an Israeli general in charge in Cairo and settlements popping up all the way from Jerusalem to the Egyptian capital. If so, dream on. Just don't burden the rest of us with your spiteful "If Carter's for it, I'm agin it" attitude.
 
 
+9 # Buddha 2014-09-21 09:12
"Believers in a radically politicized jihad, or holy war, fervently seek a righteous, rejuvenated Islam, one that recaptures all lands that Moslems once ruled, especially those now dominated by Jews and Christian “crusaders.”"

Exactly this. ISIS, like Al Qaeda, is simply at its core an IDEOLOGY, and you don't defeat an ideology of jihad against foreign Christian and Jewish aggression and occupation, by more campaigns of bombing and occupying, that is exactly what OBL wanted us to do and is what ISIS wants us to do. It simply fuels their ideology and creates recruits for their cause. If we want to defeat groups like this, stop the bombing campaigns, do some serious investment in solar/wind/gen4 fission power so we get off a carbon economy (which will defund the region)...and if we are hell bent on dropping things from the air, drop the metaphorical music, TV, and blue-jeans to win the true battle, which is CULTURAL.
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2014-09-21 09:35
Quoting Phxcoyote:
So the problem is religion in general. How does North Korea sound? Sounds like nirvana for those wanting to escape religion. Who can forget the secular religion free countries that killed over 100 million since WW2?

It must get exhausting trying to tie all the world's problems to Christianity and the USA. Christian people have done horrible things. But the horrible acts were not committed in the name of Christianity.

Examples of acts done in the name of Christianity include the Red Cross, Salvation Army, hospitals, higher education, orphanages etc... Are they perfect? No, but they attempt to make the world a better place.


Almost all "Acts" done in the name of Christianity are conditional of conversion or at least a show of piety and prayer -even to get a meal at a so-called "Mission".
And only in the US are Hospitals named so piously -whilst many deny care to the uninsured.
Shall I continue.
North Korea is certainly an oddball rogue, self-isolated state and an anomaly but the US and Israel are fast becoming such in their own way as both continue to move right and regress (but at least Israel has Universal healthcare), and to me Judaism is downright weird, with it's cult-like demand that the faithful marry inside the Synagogue and faith or be "As dead" to them.
 
 
-1 # danireland46 2014-09-21 09:36
You'd better get your techies on this problem. I pressed red, thumbs down to the first comment by RMDC, and thumbs up green to the second comment by Ben Franklin, but the opposite result went up, so it looks like RMDC is approved by the public and Ben disapproved. This is not acceptable, especially when so many people believe in supporting the popular position. I personally am in total agreement with Weissmen.
 
 
+6 # HahliHohli 2014-09-21 10:54
Not to worry danireland46 Every time you vote 'up' or 'down' your computer updates ALL incoming votes, not just yours. I have often had my vote supposedly 'canceled out', but a few times, it seemed that I managed to post even more votes than allowed, but this is all because of this updating. The website really is quite fair, although there are times it won't take ANY of my votes due to a technical glitch. ( ;-{ Love ya and keep on voting!
 
 
+3 # Edwina 2014-09-21 10:01
Dennis Kucinich is critical of U.S. policy in this latest episode of continual war against the Middle East. Too bad we did not elect him when we had the chance. I believe Sen. Warren came out against arming the Syrian "rebels". Carter's position is a surprise to me: I thought he'd learned something in the last 40 years. Just goes to show, you can't really trust the liberals. Meanwhile, it seems the Ukrainians (east & west), the Russians, and the EU seem to have come to their senses. They've concluded that everybody loses in a war. I guess the U.S., NATO, Saudi Arabia, et al., don't have much to lose in Iraq and Syria. The war will be fought by mercenaries. The ex-generals (U.S.) shilling for war are CEOs for weapons and equipment manufacturers, or "security" companies.
 
 
+2 # dick 2014-09-21 10:57
#1, #2, #3: Why have predominantly Shia Iraqi military forces REFUSED to defend their Homeland against Sunni ISIS? #4, #5, #6: Why have we not prevented them from refining, moving, selling oil? Terrible as ISIS is, along with other religious zealots, and those USING religion to energize their aggression, our leaders owe us more information before asking us to take on extraordinary risks. I don't think we have enough INFORMATION to justify most of the positions being taken relative to ISIS, but Jimmy Carter did achieve a miracle with Egypt, only to be undone by Israel's criminal land grabs.
 
 
+4 # ameliawizard 2014-09-21 11:40
Maybe this will simplify things a little. You are standing in the street. On one side is a teenage girl being raped. On the other side is a craft brewery with some really good product. Which way do you turn ? The girl or do nothing ? If you walk away from the girl, you will be vilified in every civilized country. If you defend yourself by saying "but I called the cops" same problem, vilified by society. Of course you would run to the girl to try and save her. So forget the nice arguments about previous wars, the CIA, US hegemony, oil, and whatever else you can throw up to justify your actions. The reality is we must save the girl.
 
 
-1 # geraldom 2014-09-21 11:59
Having former president Jimmy Carter support Obama's plans of attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria is as sick and disgusting as having Senator Elizabeth Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders vote in support of Israel against the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank, but especially Gaza and the slaughter of well over 2200 innocent Palestinian civilians by Israel, which included well over 500 young children and babies.

Even they now have innocent blood on their hands.

But, in one sense, Jimmy Carter's support of Obama's war against ISIS may well be much worse than Senator Warren's and Senator Sanders' support of the genocide that took place against the Palestinians in Gaza. We all know that over and beyond the air attacks that are now taking place against ISIS, that the U.S. will ultimately place U.S. boots on the ground, both in Iraq and in Syria (illegally, but what does that matter to the U.S.). Might always makes right!

Ultimately, the civilian deaths, as a result of the U.S. war against ISIS, will make the 2200 plus innocent Palestinians that died as a result of Israel's illegal form of warfare against the Palestinians in Gaza, the massive attacks mostly against civilian targets, and the use of illegal weapons by international law, like the chemical weapon White Phosphorous and Flechette weapons, weapons containing thousands of small metal darts exploding everywhere in all directions in civilian neighborhoods, look like small potatoes.

(Continued)
 
 
+5 # geraldom 2014-09-21 11:59
(Continued)

Between the war in Iraq that was illegally started in 2003 based on outright lies and the continuing war in Afghanistan that was illegally started in 2002, and the illegal drone attacks throughout the world in Yemen, in Somalia, in Pakistan and in other places, well over 3 millions civilians have already been slaughtered. How many more will have to die in this new conflict for U.S. world domination that could go on for decades, and let’s not forget to add to the total the over half-million children under the age of 5 years that died in Iraq directly as a result of the illegal and heinous sanctions that the U.S. had pressed against the Saddam Hussein regime.
 
 
+6 # jazzman633 2014-09-21 16:00
War is the health of the state (Burke), and endless war...well, what's not to like?

Continuing invasion of privacy, zillions of dollars to the defense contractors (who also sell to the rest of the world), a population urged to become ever more docile (that's all right -- they have their smartphones) because of the external threat that never goes away. External threat is the govt.'s go-to obedience strategy.

So, yes, another splendid little war in the Mideast - let's get on with it!

Beheadings are no less ghastly than drone attacks, but the latter aren't on video.
 
 
+2 # Mander1141 2014-09-21 18:37
The problem with the 'logic' of the argument expressed in this article by Mr. Manning and the author, is that one terrorist organization in Southwest Asia has been very successful in running their state. This despite Al Jazeera reporting (1) that they beheaded 19 people in the month of August, maintain one of the world's highest prison populations of religious and political dissenters (2), enforce a state Islamic religion which tolerates no other Islamic sects (3), and where foreign workers and women have few, if any, rights as it's 'citizens'. In short, there are many arguments for the world to look away from groups like ISIS; but unfortunately, those arguments have not been made here in this article today.

(1) http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/rights-groups-says-surge-saudi-beheadings-20148211414761155.html
(2) http://ihrc.org.uk/attachments/article/9867/Saudi%20Report%20A4-v04.pdf
(3) http://m.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/saudi-arabia
 
 
0 # Mander1141 2014-09-21 18:40
(3) also: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html
 
 
+4 # Reyn 2014-09-22 12:19
I'm sorry - and I know where this will lead - but I cannot agree. No group can be allowed to slaughter women and children, steal the property of an entire sect in territory they conquer. Force children as young as 8 into marriages with adults. Take women as sex slaves, and bury the dead children and some women in mass graves because they think a particular sect is "Satanic" - which actually that sect is a form of Zoroastrianism - the oldest monotheistic religion in the world.

Christian, Muslim, I don't care, the type of activities already engaged in by the Islamic State - and that they continue to engage in, cannot be tolerated. As a Leftist I find it reprehensible that avoiding conflict trumps basic Leftist morality for so many on my side of the equation.

Ask Leftists and liberals and they will tell you that they support women's rights, gay rights, equality, the rights of minorities and the right to education, and if people choose it, secularism. Yet, when suddenly there is a need to DO SOMETHING to preserve or further those very things - far too many of us are mute - and say "oh, just leave us alone."

We have values, we should all stand for them. I don't like war either, we marched against the 2nd Iraq war, BUT, we caused this (our invasion allowed this), people are suffering, and we are responsible to do something.

Finally, let us NEVER forget that in the past when we have ignored the very types of things that the IS have been doing, they worsened.
 
 
+2 # Benjamin Franklin 2014-09-23 01:10
Reyn: Exactly. Just perfectly stated.
 

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