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Hosenball writes: "A U.S. Senate committee report will conclude that the CIA's use of harsh interrogation after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks yielded no critical intelligence on terrorist plots that could not have been obtained through non-coercive methods, U.S. officials familiar with the document said."

Senate report will be hard on Bush Administration. (photo: Reuters)
Senate report will be hard on Bush Administration. (photo: Reuters)


Senate Report: Bush Era Torture Was Unnecessary

By Mark Hosenball, Reuters

02 August 14

 

U.S. Senate committee report will conclude that the CIA's use of harsh interrogation after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks yielded no critical intelligence on terrorist plots that could not have been obtained through non-coercive methods, U.S. officials familiar with the document said.

Foreshadowing the impending release of a report expected to suggest that the "enhanced" techniques were unnecessary and also to accuse some CIA officers of misleading Congress about the effectiveness of the program, President Barack Obama said on Friday that the CIA "tortured some folks." He had banned the practices soon after taking office in 2009.

Officials said the Senate Intelligence Committee was unlikely to release the report to the public without some additional review.

"A preliminary review of the report indicates there have been significant redactions. We need additional time to understand the basis for these redactions and determine their justification. Therefore the report will be held until further notice and released when that process is completed," Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the committee's chair, said.

The voluminous report does not state that the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" - which included measures such as "waterboarding," or simulated drowning, on captured al Qaeda militants - produced no information of value whatsoever, the officials said.

But it asserts that such tactics yielded no information that would have been "otherwise unavailable" to spy agencies through normal interrogations aimed at foiling further plots in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, the officials said.

Committee investigators also concluded that the agency misled other executive branch agencies and Congress by claiming that only by using harsh methods did the agency achieve other counter-terrorism breakthroughs that otherwise would not have been possible. The report will criticize some CIA officials by name, the officials said.

The committee reached its conclusions based on detailed examinations of the cases of around 20 militants who were subjected to harsh interrogations while detained by the CIA, the officials said.

On Friday, Obama - in some of his most direct criticism to date of the Bush-era practices - told a White House news conference: "We did some things that were contrary to our values."

He had previously described waterboarding as torture, in line with human rights groups that had denounced the practice. A knowledgeable source said that the Senate committee's report largely uses the agency's terminology - "enhanced interrogation" - instead of labeling its practices as torture.

Obama insisted, however, that Americans in retrospect should not be "too sanctimonious" in their condemnation of national security officials who at the time were working under heavy pressure to prevent another attack.

Obama also defended CIA director John Brennan who has faced congressional calls for his resignation after a revelation that the agency spied on the Senate committee investigating its interrogation techniques. "I have full confidence in John Brennan," he said.

In April, the intelligence committee sent a draft of its 600-page report summary to the Obama administration.

Obama indicated that on Friday the White House delivered to the committee a declassified but redacted version of the summary, along with declassified versions of papers prepared by the CIA and by the committee's Republican minority in response to the summary.

Officials said it would largely be up to Feinstein to decide whether the committee would challenge redactions made by the administration.

Several officials said that the committee report alleges that the CIA did not thoroughly brief then-President George W. Bush about its use of harsh interrogations, although in a published memoir Bush said he was briefed on the program.

One former official said that in practice, the CIA briefed Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, on the program and she then briefed the president

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+54 # indian weaver 2014-08-02 12:17
I am not impressed. I await and expect the public execution of dumdum dubya and dick the prick for their Crimes Against Humanity. Until then, Obama remains the bullshit artiste-in-chie f, along with his and dubya's 100s of stinking colleagues in crime (Rumsfeld, rove, rice, Dianne Feinstein, John Yee, James Clapper, et. al.). You know who they are. And I'm afraid: they are innumerable. Such is the State of Our Union. It stinks.
 
 
+21 # AMLLLLL 2014-08-02 14:28
Now that would be a better turn of phrase! Instead of the State of the Union Address, we could call it the 'Smell of the Union' Address.
 
 
-14 # Caliban 2014-08-03 02:04
indian weaver is better with name calling and insults than rational thought. Yes, those latter day warmongers were the ugliest of ugly Americans, but until the weaver can show that they have broken any federal laws, his fantasies of mass trials of everybody in government he doesn't like (and that does appear to be everyone) are self-indulgent rants that flatter his ego ("Oh, I'm so much better than the mere president of the United States") but add nothing to thoughtful discussion of the issues.
 
 
+14 # think4once 2014-08-03 06:22
but until the weaver can show that they have broken any federal laws,......
Federal Laws??
How abot lying to Congress.. I believe that's perjury.


How about international laws.! Like using depleted uranium bullets and mortars.
And if lying to American people (particularly about why we went to war)isnt Fed crime, it should be.
Just because no Fed crimes were broken does not excuse ANYTHING they did.
It just goes to show how ultimately broken our laws and system really are.
 
 
+5 # Texas Aggie 2014-08-03 11:52
The only way that what they did isn't illegal is if there is a problem with the laws. To claim that if it isn't against the law, there's nothing to be done is immoral. It isn't the laws that determine whether something is right or wrong.

As as think mentions, there are international laws that cover wars of aggression. The Hague is the place for that.
 
 
+7 # unitedwestand 2014-08-03 16:04
You have got to be kidding me that there is no evidence that that bastardly (illegally SELECTED) did not commit war crimes. The list is so long even going back to before GW the Lessor was selected where he verbalizes that he was intent on finishing the job in Iraq that his father didn't. Just to add a few more at the surface, read the evidence on the Downing Street Memos, destroying a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, Rumsfeld saying that the Geneva Conventions agreements didn't apply, then the horrendous torture.

Please, some of us could spew profanities for days over that criminal administration.
 
 
0 # RnR 2014-08-04 19:42
But Indian Weaver is an outstanding judge of character *lmao*
 
 
+64 # jmac9 2014-08-02 13:00
The Congress made the inquiry.

The CIA illegally spied upon Congress. The head of the CIA lied repeatedly - by the way the NSA head - Clapper - lied repeatedly.

Obama gave the Congress report to the CIA to edit!!!

So what we're seeing is puny to say the least of what was really found out.

presidentmac.or g sets out a different legislative agenda - like Auditing the CIA and changing its budget so we the people see what they're up to.

Hey, its your taxpayer money you should see where its being spent -

you get secrecy you get fraud, liars, murders, torture...they can't tell us because, its secret - national security.

Audit and delete the CIA.
Audit and delete the DEA.
Audit and delete the NSA.
Audit and delete the Homeland Security.

Take back our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Delete the Patriot Act.
Delete the Espionage Act.
 
 
+18 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-08-02 17:14
P.J. O'Rourke was a guest on Bill Maher's show. If you like P.J., you may have discovered his deadly incredible sense of humor. Bill M. to P.J. "was torture necessary?" P.J. "Oh! Torture had nothing to do with accessing information!" Some people just love their job, no matter what the reason.
 
 
0 # tabonsell 2014-08-02 17:22
"Clapper" is not, and has never been, the head of NSA. Since its inception, the head of the National Security Agency has always been a lieutenant general of the army or air force or a vice admiral of the navy.

If you can't get any of that right, everything else you say should be considered as misinformed as is the statement about the head of NSA.
 
 
+33 # Cherylaaa 2014-08-02 13:36
It's time for Attorney Holder to take action against the Bush/Cheney Administration. Below is a petition demanding President Obama to adhere to the International Human Rights Treaty.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/219/745/399/tell-the-us-that-we-are-not-above-intl-human-rights-treaty/
 
 
+15 # ritawalpoleague 2014-08-02 14:48
Sorry, Cherylaaa, but from wht I've experienced firsthand with Holder's DOJ, I would not hold my breath if I were you, while waiting for Holder to anything to restore/reinfor ce Liberty and Justice for all, a.k.a. real McCoy democracy. Pull up: Colorado Springs Independent, No Peace or Justice, Rita Ague. The size of the info. I gathered and sent to the DOJ, on their instruction, was the size of a coffin. No investigation came down on torture here in Colo. Springs of the 2007 St. Paddy's Day Parade Peace and Justice supporters. Holder and/or Obama gonna do anything other than continue the Bushwhacked agenda? Sorry, not !
 
 
+23 # dquandle 2014-08-02 15:11
Holder's job is to uphold the profits of the plutocracy and the iron fist of imperial regime. He has no intention of "taking action" against anyone except for whistle blowers.
 
 
+2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-08-03 20:19
Good luck. I wish it to happen. but it will not happen. Why? Republicans would then take action against Obama, use of drones.
 
 
+26 # kasta626 2014-08-02 13:54
The 3 stooges with right hand on over their wallets. The dumbest "43" ever!!!
 
 
+8 # AndreM5 2014-08-02 19:42
"HARSH" interrogation! ?!?!
What a pile. DEATH = HARSH in the Shrub/Cheney world? To the guillotine!
 
 
+23 # fredboy 2014-08-02 14:21
Three gates await in hell.
 
 
+24 # seeuingoa 2014-08-02 14:34
And these disgusting fellows on the photo
are still going free!
 
 
+37 # reiverpacific 2014-08-02 15:05
What is most ironic about the accompanying photo is that the "Gruesome Threesome" have their hands over the stinking, gangrenous hole where their hearts might have been once, especially "Mr Five Deferments" -Torquemada Cheyney.
I'd really like to see Jesse Ventura's challenge come to pass -broadcast on TV at that- "You give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders" -and he knew whereof he spoke as HE had to endure it as part of his Navy SEAL training.
And not ONE of these Iagos served a day in the military except for Dimwits, who went AWOL after a short spell of keeping the skies of Texas Viet Cong-free!
They are cowards and hypocrites to a man (and woman in the case of Condosleazy Rice)!
 
 
+14 # angelfish 2014-08-02 17:33
Bravo, reiver, Bravo INDEED!
 
 
+14 # reiverpacific 2014-08-02 19:05
Quoting angelfish:
Bravo, reiver, Bravo INDEED!


Oh, 'scuse humble self please. I forgot to include that dith-th-PIC-abl e, social-climbing , born -again (or boring-again) Holy Catholic double-hypocrit e and miserable excuse of a "New Labor" ( a.k.a. "Clinton Lite") former PM, "Toney" Blair!
May he be hung, drawn and quartered (the former punishment for treason) his scrotum suspended from a flagpole at Abu-Grahib jail in Baghdad and his bollocks -if he has any- fought over by rabid dogs!
 
 
+34 # ligonlaw 2014-08-02 15:06
At every opportunity, Cheney repeats the lies that torture saved lives and that torture revealed information that was otherwise not forthcoming. The truth, confirmed by the report, has been known for a long time: the United States committed war crimes, that our leadership endorsed crimes against humanity and that high government officials should be tried for those crimes. We are once again stuck with one enduring truth. The rich and powerful are above the law. They are beyond the reach of our courts, and they operate in an immoral universe where there are no consequences for vile, despicable, evil acts against humanity.
 
 
+11 # wantrealdemocracy 2014-08-02 16:53
Oh come on. We don't have to worry. Diane Feinstein is in charge of deciding on what action may be taken. We know she is not a corrupted bitch, don't we? And her husband is just an honest busness man who just by chance is profiting twice in the sale of our historic post offices.

If you believe this, I have a bridge to sell you. Better buy it fast before it falls into San Francisco Bay.
 
 
+21 # Interested Observer 2014-08-02 16:56
Not only unnecessary, but demonstrably unproductive. It was based on research into brainwashing and the manufacture of false confessions for show trials and propaganda, not obtaining useful information. What it produces is an abundance of bad intelligence and the waste of an increased work load while discovering that fact. It's only virtue is the feeling of power and importance it gave to Dick Cheny, Cofer Black, et al as they played "24" in real life. It did less than nothing to make the United States more secure and brought it a new and historic shame. It was the first time that torture became a robust official policy instead of an aberration in the field or in the heat of battle. It broke an honorable tradition that began with Washington, who eschewed torture even while it was being practiced against his men by the British, and abandoned any claim to moral high ground on human rights. What was "gained" has been worthless and what has been lost was priceless.
 
 
+10 # Jim Young 2014-08-02 17:43
You mean our study of torture and brainwashing by the North Koreans, updated for our use by putting our cover page on it, didn't really work any better for us than it did for the North Koreans?

How do we get them to quit trying to claim it ever worked?

If we can't prosecute them, can we make a triple life size statue of at least Cheney being water boarded (I wouldn't do that to a living person), with all the victims represented on plaques surrounding the statue.
 
 
+3 # The Buffalo Guy 2014-08-02 18:15
Quoting Interested Observer:
Not only unnecessary, but demonstrably unproductive. It was based on research into brainwashing and the manufacture of false confessions for show trials and propaganda, not obtaining useful information. What it produces is an abundance of bad intelligence and the waste of an increased work load while discovering that fact. It's only virtue is the feeling of power and importance it gave to Dick Cheny, Cofer Black, et al as they played "24" in real life. It did less than nothing to make the United States more secure and brought it a new and historic shame. It was the first time that torture became a robust official policy instead of an aberration in the field or in the heat of battle. It broke an honorable tradition that began with Washington, who eschewed torture even while it was being practiced against his men by the British, and abandoned any claim to moral high ground on human rights. What was "gained" has been worthless and what has been lost was priceless.


Say! You don't mean to say Jack Bauer wasn't in on this, do you?
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2014-08-02 19:47
Quoting The Buffalo Guy:
Quoting Interested Observer:
Not only unnecessary, but demonstrably unproductive. It was based on research into brainwashing and the manufacture of false confessions for show trials and propaganda, not obtaining useful information. What it produces is an abundance of bad intelligence and the waste of an increased work load while discovering that fact. It's only virtue is the feeling of power and importance it gave to Dick Cheny, Cofer Black, et al as they played "24" in real life. It did less than nothing to make the United States more secure and brought it a new and historic shame. It was the first time that torture became a robust official policy instead of an aberration in the field or in the heat of battle. It broke an honorable tradition that began with Washington, who eschewed torture even while it was being practiced against his men by the British, and abandoned any claim to moral high ground on human rights. What was "gained" has been worthless and what has been lost was priceless.


Say! You don't mean to say Jack Bauer wasn't in on this, do you?

Eh? -Who's he?
 
 
+1 # The Buffalo Guy 2014-08-03 11:10
Say! You don't mean to say Jack Bauer wasn't in on this, do you?
Eh? -Who's he?

Sarcasm....look up "bauer 24" as interested observer mentioned......
It's only virtue is the feeling of power and importance it gave to Dick Cheny, Cofer Black, et al as they played "24" in real life.
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2014-08-03 17:31
Quoting The Buffalo Guy:
Say! You don't mean to say Jack Bauer wasn't in on this, do you?

Eh? -Who's he?

Sarcasm....look up "bauer 24" as interested observer mentioned......
It's only virtue is the feeling of power and importance it gave to Dick Cheny, Cofer Black, et al as they played "24" in real life.
Sorry but in many ways, I'm a pop-culture and mainstream ignoramus.
 
 
+15 # Kootenay Coyote 2014-08-02 20:39
‘Obama insisted, however, that Americans in retrospect should not be "too sanctimonious" in their condemnation of national security officials who at the time were working under heavy pressure...’. Absolutely. & they should unhang the Nazis from Nuremberg: they were under heavy pressure too. When the President refuses to act on the demonstration & in some cases confession of these appalling crimes against humanity, law & Congress, he is just as guilty.
 
 
+13 # futhark 2014-08-02 21:37
Just what were those Nuremberg Trials about, anyway? Why did the previous generation risk and pay such a heavy price to stop the spread of vicious tyranny from abroad if our own president now won't lift a finger to deal effectively with our home-grown tyrants?
 
 
+4 # Texas Aggie 2014-08-03 11:55
If you want evidence that no real information was obtained by torture, just look at what the torturers present as justification. Not a single case was presented where information of any validity was obtained by torture. The Dick's big justification was some document that was classified. When it was declassified, it turned out that the Dick was lying.
 
 
+2 # Archie1954 2014-08-03 13:12
The picture reminds me of three of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, the forth being a woman now teaching at Stanford!
 
 
0 # RnR 2014-08-04 19:57
The truly saddening aspect to this article is that the Senate actually thought a report was necessary to determine if torture were justified.
 

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