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Boardman writes: "The fighting has been fierce and widespread enough in the region to prevent MH17 crash site investigators from reaching the crash site for days on end."

Malaysia expresses concerns that the crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was not properly secured. (photo: Reuters)
Malaysia expresses concerns that the crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was not properly secured. (photo: Reuters)


MH17 Shoot-Down Mystery Deepens Since July 17

By William Boardman, Reader Supported News

31 July 14

 

“Black Boxes Show Shrapnel Destroyed Malaysia Airlines Plane, Ukraine Says”

hat headline in the Wall Street Journal of July 28 creates the immediate false impression that there is new information: shrapnel destroyed plane! Before the headline is over, the WSJ begins backtracking – “Ukraine Says” ­– a reference that yellow-flags a less than credible source. As the story continues, it reveals that there’s no actual news here, starting with the sub-head: “Older Flight Recorders on Plane Likely to Provide Limited Data” – so is there reliable data or not? Then the story reverses direction again, with this riddle-filled lede:

MOSCOW—Ukrainian authorities said Monday that data retrieved from the black boxes aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 showed the plane was destroyed by "massive explosive decompression" caused by shrapnel from a missile.

Moscow? Nothing about the story relates to Moscow, except perhaps the location of the reporter. He does not say where the “Ukrainian authorities” are, and identifies only one: “Col. Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council.” The reporter says Lysenko “revealed” the evidence of a missile explosion, although there is little possibility Lysenko has any direct knowledge of the black box contents, since the black boxes have never been in the possession of Ukraine officials.

The reporter admits he has no news, since the black boxes are in the United Kingdom and the investigators have not confirmed Lysenko’s claim. In a sentence as slippery as it is empty, the reporter repeats the official American story: “The U.S. has blamed Russia for providing the Buk missile system to the rebels, a claim that Moscow denies.” This is a dog whistle to those who say pro-Russians shot down the plane, but the actual accusation here is only that Russia gave the rebels a Buk missile system, which proves nothing.

The reporter does not mention that the Ukraine government has the same or equivalent missile systems, provided by Russia when the countries had warmer relations. The reporter stops short of embracing the blame-Russia scenario, but offers no alternative. As a whole, his story illustrates what he fails to say: that almost two weeks after the shoot-down, there is less certainty than ever as to who was responsible.

Lacking anything like solid evidence, U.S. media just wing it and pray

The same day (July 28), Time links to the WSJ story as if it were fact. Under the headline – “Ukraine: MH17 Downed by ‘Massive Explosive Decompression’” – the report begins:

As U.N. human-rights chief suggests downing of the plane may be a "war crime" – Ukrainian authorities said Monday that black-box data from the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 revealed shrapnel from a missile caused “massive explosive decompression” onboard, as the U.N. human-rights chief said the aircraft’s shooting down “may amount to a war crime.” [repetition in original]

Unlike the Journal, Time makes an effort to explain what a “massive explosive decompression” is – “Explosive decompression happens when the air inside an aircraft depressurizes at an extremely fast rate, with results similar to a bomb detonation.” Whatever happened, the plane and its 298 passengers came down in hundreds of pieces, from large to tiny, over a crash site of a dozen square miles or more.

Also unlike the Journal, Time adds the gratuitous reference to “a war crime,” without meaningful context. Shooting down an airliner is pretty much, by definition, a war crime or a crime against humanity. Merely labeling it as such, as Time does, only repeats the obvious, with no indication of who might have committed the crime. Time allows for this thought only obliquely in a context that implicitly endorses the official story:

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said that “this violation of international law, given the prevailing circumstances, may amount to a war crime. It is imperative that a prompt, thorough, effective, independent and impartial investigation be conducted into this event.”

Time omits broad dimensions of Ukrainian crisis

While Time quotes accurately from and links to the U.N. human rights press release with this comment from Pillay, Time gives no hint that the subject of the release is a 65-page report from the Human Rights Commissioner’s office detailing the state of human rights in Ukraine as disastrous, with violations on all sides, but especially by “armed groups” who are among the separatists, but not identified as such:

A total breakdown of law and order and a reign of fear and terror have been inflicted by armed groups on the population of eastern Ukraine, according to a new report issued today….

The report documents how these armed groups continue to abduct, detain, torture and execute people kept as hostages in order to intimidate and “to exercise their power over the population in raw and brutal ways.” Well organized and well equipped militarily, these armed groups have intensified their challenge to the Government of Ukraine, the report says. In response, there has been an acceleration of Government security operations during July in the areas still under the control of the armed groups, with heavy fighting located in and around population centres, resulting in loss of life, property and infrastructure and causing thousands to flee….

“Both sides must take great care to prevent more civilians from being killed or injured,” [Pillay] added. “Already increasing numbers of people are being killed with serious damage to civilian infrastructure, which – depending on circumstances – could amount to violations of international humanitarian law. The fighting must stop.”

According to the human rights report, more than 100,000 people have fled their homes in eastern Ukraine (86%) and Crimea (24%). These people are now internally displaced persons (IDPs) who are the responsibility of the Ukraine government that can ill afford to take care of them. That government started coming apart July 24, when the prime minister resigned, saying in part: “because laws have not been passed, we now have no means with which to pay soldiers, doctors, police, we have no fuel for armored vehicles, and no way of freeing ourselves from dependence on Russian gas.”

The human rights report does not address estimates of as many as another 500,000 people from eastern Ukraine seeking shelter in Russia since April. Russia reported on July 29 that it has given refugee status to 233,114 Ukrainians, including 34,503 children. Ukraine’s total population of more than 45 million has been declining for about two decades. (The BBC reports, without attribution: “The conflict has displaced more than 200,000 people, many of whom have fled east to neighbouring Russia.”)

As with Gaza, U.N. concern is with impunity for human rights crimes

The U.N. report is the fourth on human rights conditions in eastern Ukraine since mid-March, when the high commissioner deployed a 39-member Human Rights Monitoring Mission there. The mission had documented at least 1,129 killings, 3,442 woundings, and 812 abductions over a four month period ending July 15. The report points out that the armed groups in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions are able to commit human rights crimes with impunity, leading to “a collapse of the rule of law.” The report also includes allegations that the armed groups have forced detainees to dig trenches or fight on the front lines; and that there are cases of apparently illegal detention by the Ukrainian armed forces as well.

Elsewhere in Ukraine the U.N. mission found that most Ukrainians were relatively free, but saw worrisome trends:

… the level of hate speech has escalated dramatically, especially on social media, but also in demonstrations and protests and even in Parliament…. the level of ‘anti-Russia’ rhetoric has increased along with the physical targeting of Russian-owned banks and businesses on the grounds that they are ‘financing terrorism.’

Harassment, intimidation, manipulation, abductions, detentions and enforced disappearances of journalists have continued to occur in the east, and at least five journalists have been killed since the fighting began in April.

Since the end of period of the report, fist fights have erupted in Parliament at least twice. After two political parties dropped out of the ruling coalition, the prime minister resigned. Nevertheless, he remains in office pending a parliamentary vote to accept his resignation. That would presumably lead to the election of a new parliament in the fall.

Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk voiced deep anger at the parliament for failing to pass laws that would address the country’s need for liberalization. He accused members of betraying the goals and ideals of the Maidan that led to the overthrow of the elected government in March. President Petro Poroshenko welcomed the break-up of the ruling coalition, hoping it would lead to a purge of “Moscow agents” in parliament. The Poroshenko government routinely refers to separatists in the east as “terrorists,” reflecting the U.N.’s concern over hate speech.

Increased polarization may lead to deadly ethnic cleansing

Since July 15, the end of the U.N. reporting period, the Ukrainian armed forces have apparently made significant advances and may have the advantage over the “armed groups.” Reporting on this war is scant and unreliable. Claims of ethnic cleansing of pro-Russian Ukrainians are unverifiable. The fighting has been fierce and widespread enough in the region to prevent MH17 crash site investigators from reaching the crash site for days on end.

None of these developments bode well for the U.N.’s offer of a somewhat hopeful outlook, that its report:

… also discusses new legislation being introduced as part of the Government’s reform. It notes the recent signing of the trade agreement with the European Union that completes the Association process and the publication of the much anticipated new proposed amendments to the Constitution that provide for a degree of regional autonomy and the increased use of local languages. These latter two issues were at the centre of demands being made by the residents of eastern Ukraine and their not being addressed led to the current conflict….

The report notes that the Government “needs to address the wider systemic problems facing the country with respect to good governance, rule of law and human rights. This requires deep and badly needed reforms, especially as Ukraine seeks to fulfil its EU aspirations and establish a democratic and pluralistic society.”

The Time report mentioned earlier omits virtually all of this context. (Time mentions the continuing fighting as if it were a deliberate tactic to “block outside authorities” from investigating the site.) Time ends its short report with the last paragraph of Human Rights Commissioner’s press release out of context, as if it related only to MH17:

“I would like to stress to all those involved in the conflict, including foreign fighters, that every effort will be made to ensure that anyone committing serious violations of international law including war crimes will be brought to justice, no matter who they are,” the High Commissioner added. “I urge all sides to bring to an end the rule of the gun and restore respect for the rule of law and human rights.”

Forensic investigators may finally get to crash site

As the Russian agency RT News put it July 29: “Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko said Kiev is finally ready for a cease-fire at the MH17 crash site after Russia’s numerous calls. Kiev continued its military offensive even after the UNSC [Security Council] urged a halt to fighting in the area last week.”

According to RT, reporting on a Ukrainian press service, Petroshenko promised in a phone call with the prime ministers of Australia and the Netherlands that he would declare a unilateral cease-fire for a crash site zone with a 20 km radius (about 24 square miles). RT reported no date for the cease-fire to begin, but that Petroshenko said on the phone that Kiev “is making every effort possible to accelerate the international experts’ access of to the crash site.”

On July 30, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) announced that its observers had begun working at border crossings between Ukraine and Russia. The same day, forensic investigators again failed to reach the crash site because fighting continued in the area. According to the Canadian CTV News:

Even the rebels – who initially oversaw the collection of more than 200 of the 298 bodies in a disorganized, widely criticized effort – have stopped their work, saying attacks from the Ukrainian military have forced them to focus on defending themselves….

Recent offensives by the Ukrainian army have enabled it to take back swaths of territory from the rebels. But the fighting has edged ever closer to the crash zone.

The Ukrainian government is accusing the rebels of planting landmines around the crash site. The Ukrainians and the Russians continue to accuse each other of shelling each other’s territory.

Whatever the U.S. is doing isn’t having noticeable effect

As for the United States, if there’s nothing useful the U.S. can do, then it’s succeeding admirably. Summing up what seems to be the official American attitude, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey R. Pyatt recently said, “Putin can end this with one phone call.”

That assumes the crisis is all Putin’s fault. That assumes Putin has operational control over enough of the Ukraine rebels to make a difference. That assumes that both Ukraine and the U.S. would take “Yes” for an answer.

Based on the record to date, all those assumptions are false. Ukraine and the U.S. won’t even implement a cease-fire to collect the dead. The Ukraine rebels do not seem to be a coherent entity, or answerable to anyone. And Putin is hardly responsible for 20 years of the U.S. and Europe holding a NATO dagger to Russia’s throat.

And besides, “one phone call?” Who is Putin supposed to call? The answer to that question might reveal the essence of American policy, assuming there is one. Suppose Putin calls Obama, does anyone think Obama has more control over Kiev than the Russians have over the Ukraine rebels? Or suppose Putin calls Poroshenko, does anyone think he is free to make peace, over objections by hardline Ukrainians or Americans?

Whomever Putin might call, what does Pyatt expect him to say? Would Pyatt or his imaginary surrogate accept anything other than something like Putin saying, “OK, you’re right, I’m wrong, I give up, dasvidaniya.”

Pyatt’s “one phone call” comment is just a polite lie. That’s his job. He made another, more trenchant remark that was, unintentionally probably, an example of his doing exactly what he was complaining about: missing the chance to "take this crisis as an opportunity to put things back on a diplomatic track – instead what we have seen from the Kremlin is the pouring of gasoline on the fire."

Until the United States shows some sign of being willing to back off from 20 years of creeping aggression along Russia’s western border, the likelihood of the confrontation resolving itself peacefully seems slim to nil.

When Putin has his back to the wall, what does the U.S. expect?

Without the Russians as a mitigating factor, the United States in the past few years might well have found itself launching a war against Syria, or a war against Iran, or both. That’s a weird thought, but it’s real enough. What is American foreign policy about, if anything? Is there a U.S. faction that’s mad at Russia now for interfering with another American war or two in the Middle East? Does the United States have any principle at stake, or even any Machiavellian goal in mind as it dithers around the world seeming to make pretty much everything worse?

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, a group of retired U.S. intelligence officers organized in 2003 in response to the abuse of intelligence to go to war on Iraq, see much the same manipulation and dishonesty happening now. On July 29, nine of these intelligence officers signed a lengthy letter to President Obama, responding directly to the administration’s mishandling of the MH17 shoot-down and explaining in detail why they are “troubled by the amateurish manner in which fuzzy and flimsy evidence has been served up – some of it via ‘social media.’”

The crux of the intelligence officers’ critique is simple: either provide credible evidence for blaming the Russians, or stop spreading lies that only make the confrontation more dangerous:

… your administration still has issued no coordinated intelligence assessment summarizing what evidence exists to determine who was responsible – much less to convincingly support repeated claims that the plane was downed by a Russian-supplied missile in the hands of Ukrainian separatists.

Your administration has not provided any satellite imagery showing that the separatists had such weaponry, and there are several other “dogs that have not barked.” Washington’s credibility, and your own, will continue to erode, should you be unwilling – or unable – to present more tangible evidence behind administration claims….

If the intelligence on the shoot-down is as weak as it appears judging from the fuzzy scraps that have been released, we strongly suggest you call off the propaganda war and await the findings of those charged with investigating the shoot-down. If, on the other hand, your administration has more concrete, probative intelligence, we strongly suggest that you consider approving it for release, even if there may be some risk of damage to “sources and methods.” Too often this consideration is used to prevent information from entering the public domain where, as in this case, it belongs.

We reiterate our recommendations of May 4, that you remove the seeds of this confrontation by publicly disavowing any wish to incorporate Ukraine into NATO and that you make it clear that you are prepared to meet personally with Russian President Putin without delay to discuss ways to defuse the crisis and recognize the legitimate interests of the various parties. [emphasis added]

The president did not respond to the May 4 letter from these intelligence professionals, who requested the courtesy of a reply to this one. Somewhere in the middle of this letter is a single sentence that gives perspective to all the other details, small or large:

In our view, the strategic danger here dwarfs all other considerations.

Being intelligence professionals, they don’t spell out a strategic danger that is obvious to anyone who can conceive of a logical, worst-case scenario. Without addressing strategic danger, the president’s nominee for Ambassador to Russia, John Tefft, told a Senate hearing July 29 that the United States would “never accept” Russia’s annexation of Crimea. Apparently for this 40-year foreign service officer and hardliner, Crimea dwarfs the strategic danger. Forever?

At The Nation on July 30, the question is framed more directly: “Why is Washington Risking War With Russia”?



William M. Boardman has over 40 years experience in theatre, radio, TV, print journalism, and non-fiction, including 20 years in the Vermont judiciary. He has received honors from Writers Guild of America, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Vermont Life magazine, and an Emmy Award nomination from the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

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-25 # Milarepa 2014-07-31 12:11
My money is still on Oswald, even though some people say there were shots from the grassy knoll. And J. Edgar ain't around no more neither. The French have it right: The more things change, the more they stay the same! The thing about Putin is you just can't trust the mothuh. Obama at least speaks English, if more haltingly recently. Not so easy to be glib about Netanyahu. ANYBODY can speak with a forked tongue, not just white men. What a mess!!!
 
 
+14 # Anarchist 23 2014-07-31 16:21
Your money is on Oswald? Wow...when JFK's head was blown off, the exit wound (the larger wound in gunshot forensics) was at the Back of his head...so how does a shot coming from behind do that? Would you like to buy a bridge I am selling?
 
 
+1 # Milarepa 2014-08-01 00:55
Quoting Anarchist 23:
Your money is on Oswald? Wow...when JFK's head was blown off, the exit wound (the larger wound in gunshot forensics) was at the Back of his head...so how does a shot coming from behind do that? Would you like to buy a bridge I am selling?

Look, my entire post is a grim joke. I had hoped you all might get a chuckle out of it. EVERYBODY is lying - Putin, Netanyahu, Obama. That's the DULL truth I'm afraid. I like to have a little fun when I post. Sure I'll buy your bridge, if you can fly it over here without getting shot down.
 
 
0 # economagic 2014-08-04 21:31
As a certain comedienne used to say, "THAT'S NOT FUNNY."
 
 
+19 # Charles3000 2014-07-31 12:27
I remember initial reports that the missile was fired at a Ukrainian fighter jet. If that is true then one thing is for sure. If that monster airliner flew into the seeker beam of the missile then the missile would have been overcome with the huge RF return from the monstrous passenger jet and would have changed flight to intercept the much stronger return from the commercial airliner. That was a very plausible scenario in the early days before the spin doctors took over "news releases".
 
 
+13 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 12:49
And Charles3000's "confused missile" theory
is consistent with other rebel shoot-downs of
Ukrainian air force planes before and after MH17.
 
 
-49 # HowardMH 2014-07-31 12:30
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity really nailed it and goes again back up what I have been saying for years now, Obama the Wimp.

If Obama the Wimp wasn't such a Wimp, then Puton would have never started this mess with Ukraine.
 
 
+31 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 12:59
HowardMH blames Putin for starting a crisis
that the US/EU/NATO (the West) have pushed
for two decades now.

Even the current crisis seems to have its roots more
in the EuroMaidan protests than any other instigating
events.
 
 
-8 # jcdav 2014-08-01 08:07
In hindsight JFK should have not gone to Texas.....SFW? Your comment has little or no bearing on the situation, thank you very much. If we had marched to Moscow in 1945 we would not have this set of problems- how far back would you like to go?
 
 
+5 # Pikewich 2014-08-01 14:34
If "we" had marched to Moscow in 1945 we would have gotten our asses seriously kicked. The soviet union had far more soldiers and by then their weapons industry was running full force.

And Stalin's "no retreat" policy, which was shoot anyone who retreats, was a far more effective motive than anything "we" could have come up with.

So I take it you are not serious.
 
 
+8 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:09
Quoting HowardMH:
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity really nailed it and goes again back up what I have been saying for years now, Obama the Wimp.

If Obama the Wimp wasn't such a Wimp, then Puton would have never started this mess with Ukraine.


If the CIA under Obama the Deceiver hadn't funded and organized a coup against the elected Ukraine government, there wouldn't be a mess in Ukraine. With all the propoganda flying around from all sides, the only certain thing ... the only absolute truth that cannot be denied ... is that the US/EU is responsible for the overthrow of an elected government in Ukraine. All else remains open to speculation and further investigation.
 
 
0 # freelyb 2014-08-02 23:13
Wanna try again? With real words?
 
 
+33 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 12:46
LATE ADDENDUM

In the context of missile "shrapnel" near the top, add:

Shrapnel, certainly, from any source, could create a condition leading very quickly to massive explosive decompression. So could 30 mm anti-tank weapons fire from a Ukrainian Su-25 jet fighter. This is the explanation for the downing of MH17 offered by a German pilot who examined a photo of the MH17 cockpit on the ground and determined that there were bullet holes, entry and exit, suggesting that MH17 was caught in a crossfire. The pilot’s argument is rational and straightforward , and subject to verification by an examination of the evidence. Circumstantiall y, his argument provides a credible motive for the apparent urgency of Ukrainian forces to secure the crash site before outside forensic investigators can get there.

German media have reported variations of this story, focusing on the one or two Su-25s flying near MH17. The evidence for an Su-25 close to MH17 comes from a July 21 briefing by the Russian military that was widely reported at the time, from the Wall Street Journal to Veterans Today. A week later Time, like the Journal, makes no mention of any Su-25 or of the potentially confirmatory satellite imagery still being withheld by the U.S.
 
 
+26 # Majikman 2014-07-31 13:30
Mr. Boardman, I also read that pilot's report with the same "ah HA" reaction. With my airline background, I still see the smoking gun of Kiev ATC vectoring the aircraft off its scheduled flight path and its refusal of the pilot's request to climb to be of paramount importance.
Thank you for a most comprehensive discection of the weasel media on this issue.
 
 
-35 # Unicorn144 2014-07-31 13:50
Oh and William Boardman...pick up your check from Putin for being a paid flack of Russian propaganda...yo u've done very good job lying and dissembling like mad on this page..please: go back to Russia....I hear the Crimea is a little empty lately...
 
 
+16 # jdd 2014-07-31 15:32
You ignore the main part of the article. Are you so willing to risk WWIII, end of both nations and probably humanity as well?
 
 
+2 # maddave 2014-07-31 18:48
AH
 
 
+7 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:14
Quoting Unicorn144:
Oh and William Boardman...pick up your check from Putin for being a paid flack of Russian propaganda...you've done very good job lying and dissembling like mad on this page..please: go back to Russia....I hear the Crimea is a little empty lately...


... and you're so sure verything is happening just as the US mainstream media is reporting events and that the US media isn't lying to us ... why ?
 
 
-17 # snowy33 2014-07-31 14:08
German media that got it from Russian BS. There were no SU-25 anywhere near that plane, according to everybody. That plane can only reach to 23,000 ft, and the MH was`at 33,000. Suspect that may be a problem for a ground attack plane. And why would Ukraine shoot down a commercial plane flying all across it's territory from east to east- they can read transponders and no Russian plane has crossed into Ukraine territory like that. Oh, they were trying to get Putin, except he wan't there unless he diverted 800 mi south. That picture of the shredded cockpit is obviously shrapnel from a missile explosion.
 
 
+23 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 15:06
anowy33 is apparently correct about the altitude limitation
of the Su-25, which becomes meaningless when considered
together with the missile range from that altitude --
MH17 was within range.

snowy33 asks a good question, though not quite in this
form: why would someone carry out a false flag operation?

Of course there is no demonstrably true answer to that,
at the moment, but:
1) it helps demonize/neutra lize Russia -
whether for the sake of the long-pursued quiet war by the
west, or for deterring Russia from annexing eastern Ukraine,
or for backing off Russian support for the rebels
2) there's even less incentive for the Russians or rebels
than for US/Ukraine

Of course it may still have been a horrible accident of some sort by any of the likely suspects.

As for those air controllers in Ukraine –
why did they change MH17 course by 200 miles north?
and why did they forbid the pilot from flying higher?

Does Unicorn144 have anything to say
that's not ad hominem and/or false?
 
 
0 # snowy33 2014-08-04 18:05
The change of direction was another BS story- they have lots of friend in German media, and on this board, who parrot their lies, then others will quote the "news story"... but with Putin they are back to lying most of the time;... and pilots were told to fly that altitude cause there was some other plane crossing the area at 35,000- planes must be separated by 2000ft vertical alt. Heat-seaking missiles have about a 3 mile range- to go straight up 2 miles, the SU-25 would have to be right under it (and that still might be a problem), but Ukraine says there was no other jet near it. The Separatists admitted it!! They tweeted it with pictures! There was no hatred of Ukraine or psychotic propaganda against it or any problem between the peoples until Nov., when Russia started the War with their crazy vicious propaganda- then peaceful bucolic Ukrainians were suddenly neo-Nazis and fascists. Ukraine didn't change, Putin did cause he was so pissed off that they dared to not join his "Customs Union" (USSR 2.0). You can think everything is an American neocon plot, but they aren't that powerful or smart.
 
 
+10 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:22
Quoting snowy33:
German media that got it from Russian BS. There were no SU-25 anywhere near that plane, according to everybody. That plane can only reach to 23,000 ft, and the MH was`at 33,000. Suspect that may be a problem for a ground attack plane. And why would Ukraine shoot down a commercial plane flying all across it's territory from east to east- they can read transponders and no Russian plane has crossed into Ukraine territory like that. Oh, they were trying to get Putin, except he wan't there unless he diverted 800 mi south. That picture of the shredded cockpit is obviously shrapnel from a missile explosion.


You make a lot of claims but supply zero evidence. Why would Kiev shoot down MH-17, you ask ? You're witnessing the answer ... if Kiev can successfully create a "false flag" event by shooting it down and blaming the East Ukrainians ... they've got the pretext they need to possibly get the US or some other foreign powers involved. Again, nothing's been proven and it is very plausible that the East Ukrainians shot down the MH-17 by accident. But, given the US's legendary history of creating false narratives to justify getting involved, their rush to judgment and refusal to release any proof that they claim to have, and the fact that they deliberately worked to destabilize Ukraine in the first place ... I have serious doubts about the US narrative and I need solid proof.
 
 
+1 # MsAnnaNOLA 2014-08-01 16:26
Link to pilot commentary

http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/

Link to photo not on google

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-britain-helping-protect-victims-against
 
 
+3 # Milarepa 2014-07-31 12:54
Well I'll be darned!
 
 
-16 # JSRaleigh 2014-07-31 13:08
I wonder how the Russians would feel if an Aeroflot flight had been shot down over Chechnya and the Russians claimed the US had been supplying the rebels there?

The author may not like the current government, but there's little reason to doubt the conflict in eastern Ukraine is being fueled by Russian support for the separatists who are trying to tear the country apart. It's another Russian land-grab just like their land-grab in the Crimea.

You can twist it any way you want trying to change the subject, but bottom line remains that the pro-Russian separatists shot that airliner down and Russia supplied the missile they used & trained them to use it ... if the Russians weren't actually manning the missile battery itself.

Now they're scrambling to subvert any real investigation that could prove what happened. It's a cover-up and a whitewash.

If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
 
 
+6 # Milarepa 2014-07-31 13:34
Here they all walk and quack like ducks, so they're all ducks!
 
 
+21 # geraldom 2014-07-31 14:36
Let me take this one subject at a time:

o In terms of having Russian planes shot down by U.S. supplied surface-to-air missiles, this actually happened. It happened in Afghanistan big-time when the U.S. tricked Russia into invading and occupying the country. Watch the documentary "Charlie Wilson's War." The U.S. then supplied the Afghan insurgents (the future Taliban) with the Stinger missile system, the most advanced surface-to-air antiaircraft missile system in the world at the time, and many Russian planes were shot out of the sky via this system, and many Russian pilots and Russian troops lost their lives as a result.

o The separatists are not trying to tear Ukraine apart. They simply do not recognize nor do they want to be ruled by an illegal pro-Western Kiev govt that was formed via an illegal coup instigated by the U.S. to take control of Ukraine. If Russia is supplying weapons and manpower to assist the separatists (and I do hope they are), so is the U.S. supplying weapon and logistic support to the illegal Ukraine govt. It was the U.S. that destabilized Ukraine by supporting the violent and destructive riots in the streets of Kiev last year and early this year up to the coup itself in Feb, and, as Victoria Neuland stated, supplied 5 billion dollars to the cause.

(Continued)
 
 
+22 # geraldom 2014-07-31 14:36
(Continued)

o This is not another Russian land-grab as you so put it. Russia didn’t annex Crimea because it wants to rebuild its empire, but because it wants to protect what’s left of the Russian Federation from any further eastward encroachment by U.S./NATO forces. It wasn’t going to allow the loss of its only warm-water naval base it has on the Black sea and its access to the Mediterranean sea as the U.S. and NATO push closer to the Russian border. Putin doesn’t want to annex eastern Ukraine as part of Russia even though many of the people who live there wish that he would. But, I wish that Putin, at least temporarily, would send in the Russian military to clear out the Ukrainian military from eastern Ukraine partly to protect what’s left of the civilians that still live in the region from any further harm from Ukrainian artillery and fighter jets and attack helicopters, and partly to set up a Russian military shield around the region to force the illegal Kiev govt to negotiate in good faith and on level ground with the so-called separatists to permanently resolve their differences.

o You outright accuse the pro-Russian forces of shooting down MH17, and even allude to the possibility that the Russians themselves were manning the missile battery. Where’s your proof? Where’s unbiased evidence to backup your accusations?

(Continued)
 
 
+21 # geraldom 2014-07-31 14:37
(Continued)

o The Russians are not subverting any investigation into MH17. The investigators that did get the chance to investigate the scene before the violence erupted around the crash scene indicated that they were getting full cooperation of the pro-Russian forces. Their biggest complaint about not being able to investigate the scene further has been due to Poroshenko breaking his promise that he would not shell the region in and around the crash scene to allow an unfettered investigation of the crash. It is the Ukraine military that began shelling the area after Poroshenko made this promise, not the pro-Russian forces. It’s not the pro-Russian forces who are stopping the investigators from continuing the investigation, it’s the investigators themselves who refuse to continue to investigate until Poroshenko’s forces cease their shelling of the area.

The real subversion and the cover-up of the investigation and the whitewash is coming from the west, not from Russia
 
 
+15 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 15:22
JSRaleigh sticks to the official story
when even the NY Times and other media
have been backing away to a position of uncertainty
about who brought down MH17.
[Maybe JSR has better sources?]

Uncertainty is the only defensible position right now,
based on the evidence we're aware of.

JSRaleigh assumes as a fact that the Russians are after
a land-grab. Could be true. Doesn't make much sense.
The Russians are smart enough to figure out that grabbing
Crimea is one thing and eastern Ukraine another.
Quite possibly, it would make Kiev secretly happy to have
that troublesome region become Russia's problem.
No sensible Russian leader would take it unless he felt
he had to. Fostering unrest there makes sense at least as
much as U.S. fostering the Maidan.

Poor Ukraine has been in play for years now, and most
Ukrainians have little say over who does what to them when.

As for subverting any investigation, the rebels turn over
the black boxes (which end up in Britain, perhaps alas)
while Kiev rejects calls for a ceasefire while it captures
the crash site. Good play by a perp, if that's what Kiev is.

U.S./Ukraine withholding air traffic recordings,
satellite imagery, US Navy sigint, and so on
which really helps any independent investigation.. . ;-)))
 
 
+2 # geraldom 2014-07-31 17:55
Mr. Boardman, you state that no sensible Russian leader would want to annex eastern Ukraine as part of Russia unless he felt he had to.

I've no idea as to why, but it does seem that Putin is very adverse to having eastern Ukraine as part of Russia.

In my strong opinion, if for no other reason than to create a buffer zone between what will eventually be a Ukraine under complete U.S. control right up against Russia's border, and to possibly prevent direct contact between Russia's military and U.S./NATO forces being in such close proximity, that Putin really should do all that he can to assure that eastern Ukraine is not gobbled up by the current illegal Kiev govt which takes its marching orders from the U.S. govt?

If the Ukraine military succeeds in crushing the separatist movement in eastern Ukraine which looks like it could very well happen, then Putin may have to deal with U.S./NATO military bases right up against Russia's border. Do you really think that Putin could tolerate such a situation when you have to consider the chances of a hot war igniting between the U.S. and Russia at some future time as a result of the U.S. attempting to further encroach eastward into Russian Federation territory?

One last question. Assuming that the coup d'etat never happened and Yanukovych was still president of Ukraine, if Putin had the opportunity, that is a legal opportunity, to integrate all of Ukraine into the Russian Federation, why would he not want to do so?
 
 
+12 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 18:20
geraldom – it just seems to me at a great distance
that having something like an independent Ukraine
is far less bother for Russia than taking responsibility
for an inherently unstable country/state. That would provide
the buffer zone that seems appropriate/use ful.

Supporting the separatists can be seen as a potential
means of creating a buffer state on the cheap.
Having a pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic
between you and NATO might well appeal to Russia.
And it would have the bonus of chronic hostility
between Donetsk and Kiev.

Always something of a long shot, it looks now
as if it won't come close to happening, in part because
there seems to have been no serious Ukrainian
revolutionary/s eparatist movement of any useful size.

Your questions all address reasons Russia might end up
deciding it had to annex some/all of Ukraine.

Lacking a western advance in Ukraine, it seems to me that
a more-or-less neutral Ukraine is the best way to keep
NATO and Russian forces apart, which seems like the most
peaceful arrangement available to the present parties.

In my view, the absolute key to reducing tensions
is for the US/West to back off and stop its 20 years
of stealth aggression.

Just back off.

That seems unlikely, unfortunately.

The question is why.
 
 
+6 # geraldom 2014-07-31 23:41
Mr. Boardman, you've brought up a couple of key points that I would like to respond to.

I would agree with you that having a neutral and independent Ukraine as a buffer zone not tied either to the west or to Russia would be ideal, but that is not the case as it stands right now. The Ukraine govt is now owned and operated by the U.S. as a result of the illegal coup that took place in Feb.

You say, "Lacking a western advance in Ukraine....." in your response, but the U.S. has already advanced in Ukraine. It owns Ukraine lock, stock and barrel as a result of the coup.

Both Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk are puppet leaders who take their marching orders from the U.S. govt. Ukraine has become just another nation state of the U.S. and is neither neutral or independent. Poroshenko sold his soul and Ukraine’s soul to the U.S. and NATO when he signed that trade agreement with the EU.

Having stated the reality of the situation, I would ask what you think Putin should do to create and maintain a buffer zone between Russia and the U.S.?

You stated and I quote:

Quoting WBoardman:
Supporting the separatists can be seen as a potential means of creating a buffer state on the cheap. Having a pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic
between you and NATO might well appeal to Russia.


(Continued)
 
 
+6 # geraldom 2014-07-31 23:47
(Continued)

What you stated is the only solution to the problem, but it appears that Putin has turned his back on eastern Ukraine and has thrown the people of eastern Ukraine to the wolves.

In order for what you suggest to work, Putin would have to send in the Russian military to push the Ukrainian military out of eastern Ukraine and set up a military shield around Slavyansk, Donetsk and Lugansk, at least until the region can establish its own effective military presence to prevent another incursion of the Ukraine military into eastern Ukraine.
 
 
+7 # geraldom 2014-08-01 08:30
By the way, Mr. Boardman, news came out yesterday that Kiev is using White Phosphorous against the people of eastern Ukraine. Where the hell is Putin? I keep on asking that very question every time I hear all that is going on in eastern Ukraine knowing that I will never ever receive an answer.

It seems to me that any military force that the United States backs and supports are allowed to use illegal weapons of war against what the U.S. considers either enemies of the United States or groups who have become impediments to the goals of the United States, and the UN and the world court simply have no power to hold the people committing these war crimes and crimes against humanity to account, and that includes the continued wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians, whole families, in Gaza as I write this comment.

Have you heard about the ceasefire this morning in Gaza. It didn't last very long. Just this morning in Rafah, Israeli literally murdered a whole family of perhaps 14 or 15 people while they were in their house and Israeli snipers have been set up to murder civilians in the streets as they are trying to escape. Within one hour this morning, it is said that Israel murdered over 90 people, all civilians, in the Rafah area of Gaza.

Whether or not Israel has used White Phosphorous weapons in this current conflict, I have no idea, but they did use them in their previous major attacks on Gaza in the recent past.
 
 
+2 # dquandle 2014-08-02 03:53
Ukraine and a great many of its citizens are right now quite impoverished, and it does not seem at all economically beneficial for Russia that it shoulder the burden.
 
 
+9 # Radscal 2014-08-01 00:29
"Quite possibly, it would make Kiev secretly happy to have
that troublesome region become Russia's problem. "

With the natural resources, and Ukraine's principle manufacturing center in the east, I suspect the Kiev coupsters want to keep it.

They do, however seem intent on ethnically cleansing Ukraine, and considering the hundreds of thousands of "impure" Ukrainians who have already fled, they may be getting their wish.

Thanks, Mr Boardman for your continuing coverage and insight on what too few of us seem to realize could be the closest the world's come to nuclear holocaust since 1962.
 
 
-5 # jdd 2014-07-31 15:31
Here we go with the "ifs."

PS Congratulations on reaching your conclusion before the investigation. Wow!
NTSB needs you.
 
 
0 # Radscal 2014-08-01 00:36
Never mind. :-)
 
 
+9 # Majikman 2014-07-31 17:10
Verdict first, trial later. No evidence allowed and defendant is not allowed to speak. JSRaleigh fess up. You're Cecily McMillan's judge in real life, aren't you.
 
 
+7 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:30
Quoting JSRaleigh:
I wonder how the Russians would feel if an Aeroflot flight had been shot down over Chechnya and the Russians claimed the US had been supplying the rebels there?

The author may not like the current government, but there's little reason to doubt the conflict in eastern Ukraine is being fueled by Russian support for the separatists who are trying to tear the country apart. It's another Russian land-grab just like their land-grab in the Crimea.

You can twist it any way you want trying to change the subject, but bottom line remains that the pro-Russian separatists shot that airliner down and Russia supplied the missile they used & trained them to use it ... if the Russians weren't actually manning the missile battery itself.

Now they're scrambling to subvert any real investigation that could prove what happened. It's a cover-up and a whitewash.

If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.


You're clearly 100% blinkered by the US MSM so I'm not sure you're worth responding to but I'll try anyway by asking you a simple question. How is it that the US can destabilize a country that's 7000 miles away, install their own government there, and then say that they're right to do so and Russia's wrong to get involved in any way whatsoever in the affairs of a country that's right on their border ? The only "land grab" going on here is from the US.
 
 
+10 # carlcoon 2014-07-31 13:38
Perhaps none of the major actors is sure who did what when, and why. Someone with access to a BUK missile shot one off in the general direction of what could have been Ukrainian military aircraft, not the MH. Or were they just taking a pot shot in the general direction of Putin's aircraft, then bringing him back from Latin America? One thing is certain: whoever did it is trying very hard these days to become invisible. I suspect Putin himself is trying very hard to ferret out the truth, especially in view of the possibility that the misfire was aimed at him, and even if even if that possibility is remote.
 
 
+2 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 11:03
Quoting carlcoon:
Perhaps none of the major actors is sure who did what when, and why. Someone with access to a BUK missile shot one off in the general direction of what could have been Ukrainian military aircraft, not the MH. Or were they just taking a pot shot in the general direction of Putin's aircraft, then bringing him back from Latin America? One thing is certain: whoever did it is trying very hard these days to become invisible. I suspect Putin himself is trying very hard to ferret out the truth, especially in view of the possibility that the misfire was aimed at him, and even if even if that possibility is remote.


Perhaps you're right. Perhaps our super powers don't have as great of technology and resources as they want "the other" to think they do.
 
 
-17 # snowy33 2014-07-31 13:43
Man, you can't be serious- how many people does Putin have to kill before you stop believing the endless lies out of the Kremlin. There's a mountain of proof the rebels did it- there's no mystery except in people who think America is causing every bad thing in the world, aka nuts.
 
 
+11 # Radscal 2014-08-01 00:40
How many people do the Kiev coupsters have to kill - or even just burn alive - before you stop taking their unsubstantiated word at face value?
 
 
+6 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:42
Quoting snowy33:
Man, you can't be serious- how many people does Putin have to kill before you stop believing the endless lies out of the Kremlin. There's a mountain of proof the rebels did it- there's no mystery except in people who think America is causing every bad thing in the world, aka nuts.


As I recall, if it wasn't for Putin, America would be bombing Syria for sure and possibly Iran too. Take your red, white and blue blinkers off. They're seriously distorting your vision.
 
 
-20 # Unicorn144 2014-07-31 13:46
Are ye all daft??? Igor Strelkov boasted he shot down this jet...that is, before he found out it was a passenger jet....and then changed his tune and took his twitters, and his boasts....and the accompanying videos...off the net. But I made copies: if you all want THE PROOF the Russians...as Igor is a RUSSIAN....and Bes "the Demon", another RUSSIAN operative; is the one who authorized the shoot down.....let me know when all of you are done with your BS....and want the facts.....
 
 
+17 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 15:26
Share.
 
 
+5 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:43
Quoting Unicorn144:
Are ye all daft??? Igor Strelkov boasted he shot down this jet...that is, before he found out it was a passenger jet....and then changed his tune and took his twitters, and his boasts....and the accompanying videos...off the net. But I made copies: if you all want THE PROOF the Russians...as Igor is a RUSSIAN....and Bes "the Demon", another RUSSIAN operative; is the one who authorized the shoot down.....let me know when all of you are done with your BS....and want the facts.....


Let's see that proof.
 
 
-23 # snowy33 2014-07-31 13:49
I've read you guys for years and love most of your stuff, but with all this conspiracy nonsense and blaming Ukraine for finally defending itself from an INVASION, you are going to lose your credibility. Now all the rebel leaders are Russian intelligence- they purged the last few Ukrainians.

Let's say Russia invaded, conquered and annexed Alaska, then started, fueled, and then mostly fought a civil war in Cal, Or, Wa. Would it be OK then for America to fight back?
 
 
+16 # jdd 2014-07-31 15:26
How do you come up with this stuff?
 
 
+7 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:47
Quoting snowy33:
I've read you guys for years and love most of your stuff, but with all this conspiracy nonsense and blaming Ukraine for finally defending itself from an INVASION, you are going to lose your credibility. Now all the rebel leaders are Russian intelligence- they purged the last few Ukrainians.

Let's say Russia invaded, conquered and annexed Alaska, then started, fueled, and then mostly fought a civil war in Cal, Or, Wa. Would it be OK then for America to fight back?


Your analogy is about as close to what's going on as earth is to the next galaxy. For a more accurate one, let's say that Russia destabilized Mexico and threatened to move missiles right up to the US border. Then they loudly and proudly stated that America has no right to fund the Mexican rebels that want to take their government back. What would America's response be then ? What should it be ? Wake up, snowy. America, not Russia, Is by far the most aggressive nation in the world.
 
 
-22 # Unicorn144 2014-07-31 13:49
Oh and William Boardman...pick up your check from Putin for being a paid flack of Russian propaganda...yo u've done very good job lying and dissembling like mad on this page......pleas e: go back to Russia....I hear the Crimea is a little empty lately....
 
 
+18 # Majikman 2014-07-31 13:56
Another pointy headed troll.
 
 
+8 # jdd 2014-07-31 15:23
Brilliant argument! Enlightening.
 
 
+5 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 10:51
Quoting Unicorn144:
Oh and William Boardman...pick up your check from Putin for being a paid flack of Russian propaganda...you've done very good job lying and dissembling like mad on this page......please: go back to Russia....I hear the Crimea is a little empty lately....


Clearly, Unicorn, you picked your name because you believe in Unicorns ... you have absolutely no touch with reality whatsoever so I won't even bother with you.
 
 
+18 # jdd 2014-07-31 15:23
Poroshenkp chose to attack rather than negotiate, hundreds have been killed.All with explicit support of Washington. Why does no one point out that Obama "could end this with one phone call?"
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2014-08-01 00:43
Especially considering that his Asst. Secretary of State for EurAsian Affairs apparently started the whole thing with one phone call. "Yats is the guy... Fuck the EU!"
 
 
+3 # dquandle 2014-08-02 04:09
Obama and his "State Department" started it, following a decades long push by NATO and the Pentagon. They and the armament and fossil fuel industries they stand for, slavering for arms sales and resource exploitation in the region, have absolutely no interest whatsoever in stopping it. Obama has demonstrated over and over again, that just like Bush, he gets his jollies being a "war time president". See his

"Turns out I'm really good at killing people." "Didn't know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine." comment.
 
 
+8 # Old Uncle Dave 2014-07-31 15:40
In the picture at the top, that is not an engine from a Boeing 777. It is too small, and the fan blades are completely different. Here's a pic of a 777 engine.
https://sp2.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607986486803039494&pid=15.1&P=0
 
 
+8 # WBoardman 2014-07-31 16:35
OldUncleDave highlights the difficulty of finding
reliable information about MH17.

Looking for the provenance of the picture at the top of
the article, I google searched till I came to the link below,
which goes to apparently reliable pictures of the same
engine at the MH17 crash site; also video:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24496338/grisly-scene-at-mh17-crash-site/

The engine OldUncleDave links to certainly seems
to be a 777-200 engine, and certainly seems to be
much larger than the engine on the ground at what
purports to be the crash site.

Apparently a 777-100 engine is about as big.

OK, what does all that mean?

Is the engine on the ground from an Su-25? ;-)))
 
 
+4 # Granny Weatherwax 2014-08-01 14:06
Just a tidbit of info: Boeing 777 refers to the airframe, wings, electronics and landing gear.
The motors, the seats (including the specific arrangement) etc are picked up separately by the company, therefore the picture of a given 777's engine does not mean another engine had not been fitted on the MH17.
 
 
-10 # The Buffalo Guy 2014-07-31 17:20
ENOUGH FICTION ON THIS SITE FOR TWO BOOKS!!!!!
 
 
+5 # dsepeczi 2014-08-01 11:05
Quoting The Buffalo Guy:
ENOUGH FICTION ON THIS SITE FOR TWO BOOKS!!!!!


Not really. You only wrote one sentence so far. ;-)
 
 
+9 # think4once 2014-08-01 08:01
Smoke screen.... ALL OF IT!!
There seems to be something else going on. The whole thing smells just like Cold War Propaganda. Mostly because everyone is focusing and arguing over details that NO ONE IS ACTUALLY SURE OF. And, as a result, the really big picture is overlooked. This situation is no different than practically every single war that has occurred for the last 50 or 60 years.
POWER-CONTROL-RESOURCES.
Everything else spouted by media and argued over by the populace is specifically designed to keep us scratching our heads and scrambling for facts which we will likely never get.
How else would the NWO get us all on board with their One World Government unless we're all fooled into believing that the only solution to the turmoil around the world is a single All-Powerful Gvt.
It seems to me that a soft/quiet World War 3 has already started. Just not yet declared.
Who is actually responsible for the Downing of MH- 17 is kind of irrelevant. As we all argue over those mis-informed details, the big picture eludes us all.
-Look up Joe Biden's son appointed to head Ukrainian shale gas company.
- Look up Gas Deposit off the coast of Gaza. One of the largest in the region and controlled by Israel.
Everything else is Theater designed to distract and controls you.
 
 
+4 # MsAnnaNOLA 2014-08-01 16:20
Quote:

Everything else is Theater designed to distract and controls you.
Yep.
 
 
+1 # MsAnnaNOLA 2014-08-01 16:03
Is schrapnel coming out of the cockpit in this photo? Seems like it might be. That photo is credited to Reuters.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-britain-helping-protect-victims-against
 
 
+1 # MsAnnaNOLA 2014-08-01 16:05
Quoting MsAnnaNOLA:
Is schrapnel coming out of the cockpit in this photo? Seems like it might be. That photo is credited to Reuters.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-britain-helping-protect-victims-against

Oh please re post this as Google does not have it indexed anymore and since lasts night when I found it duckduckgo does not have it indexed any more either.
 
 
0 # WBoardman 2014-08-02 09:16
More pix, evidence of "machine gun fire"
as observed by OSCE rep on site.

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/mh-17-mystery-solved.html
 
 
+1 # MsAnnaNOLA 2014-08-01 16:47
Map of the three towns in Ukraine where debris fell. These are not coming up on Google when you google the flight number. Google the towns to see more pictures. On second thought use duckduckgo that is how I found them.
 
 
0 # Edwina 2014-08-16 11:46
Seems like U.S. policy has gone from dumb to dumber. Our first response was to support "regime change", intervening in what began as a largely democratic movement for change in Maidan Square. With no sophisticated analysis of what the aftermath might be, we supported a coup government in Kiev, which now seems to be falling apart. Is our State Dept. really that dumb? Hard to believe. It seems some short-term thinkers and hawks hijacked the process. Of course Pres. Obama and the Democrats have contributed to the mess by imposing sanctions on Russia that also hurt the U.S. and Europe. Nothing like giving yourself a black eye in a fist-fight. Or more seriously, reviving Cold War fears and fantasies. Does the Pentagon need another war? Do weapons makers need new markets?
 

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