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Kucinich writes: "Israel invades Gaza because it can. Gazans, in the face of an invasion, have no ability to strike back, while Israel strikes forward."

Former congressman Dennis Kucinich. (photo: Getty Images)
Former congressman Dennis Kucinich. (photo: Getty Images)


Israel Invades Gaza Because It Can

By Dennis Kucinich, Reader Supported News

18 July 14

 

srael invades Gaza because it can. Gazans, in the face of an invasion, have no ability to strike back, while Israel strikes forward. Israel has total military superiority, an air force which can knock and then bomb, a navy which can shell Gazans from miles off shore, an army which can roll tanks into Gaza nonstop. Gazans have no army, navy, or air force with which to defend. Israel, as any nation, has a right to defend itself, but it confuses offense with defense. It is on the offensive in Gaza.

Israel, with its overwhelming military strength, is attacking and invading Gaza in violation of international and U.S. law. Its construction of settlements violates the Oslo agreement. Its Central Bank dries up the Gaza economy and blocks payments to Gazan civil servants. Its total control brings the Palestinians to utter subjection and total despair.

Israel can kill, injure, and humiliate Palestinians at will, with impunity, which is exactly what gave rise to Hamas and strengthens Hamas' hold in Gaza, even as the IDF advances. Israel will go door to door in Gaza in the hunt for Hamas, which comprises the government of the Palestinians and is therefore a necessary party to any peace talks. It is axiomatic that if you kill your partner for peace, you will have no partner for peace.

There will be no peace, for now, as Gaza is turned into an abattoir, to collectively punish Gazans for supporting Hamas. Israel, in its attempt to divide Hamas from the Gazans, will actually multiply Hamas' strength in Gaza and elsewhere. Israel may indeed find and kill Hamas officials. But it is not the current individuals who make up Hamas who constitute Israel's deep dilemma, which threatens its long term security. It is Israel's policies which gave rise to Hamas and which, if left unaltered, will spawn increased resistance no matter how many members of Hamas Israel is successful in apprehending or killing.

What is the end game? To cast Gazans to the sea, where they will be met by the Israeli Navy? To push Gazans into Egypt? To eject all Palestinians to... where? This is a question relevant not only to Israelis and Palestinians, but to the entire world.

There will be consequences for this invasion. The cycle of violence will widen. It will draw in friends of the Palestinians and it will affect Israel's allies. In the U.S., as our great friend presses the attack in Gaza, there will be increasing questions among the American people as to whether the $3 billion we give Israel annually is being used to defend our ally, or whether it is buying the U.S. billions of dollars worth of problems because of the manner in which our friend "defends" itself. Since the U.S. is helping to pay Israel's bills, we cannot avoid the consequences of paying the price for Israel's actions against the Palestinians.

This is why America must soon shift our role from giving tacit consent to an invasion to becoming an active partner in a new, honest search for peace in the Middle East.

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+122 # chendelezo 2014-07-19 09:56
Israel's behavior amounts to genocide. I have always been an ardent supporter of Israel, but the right wing policies that have been in place for far too long now, the vicious offensive attacks on civilians,and the continued brazen building of illegal settlements have totally alienated me and everyone else I know. With the exception of Chris Hayes, who did an amzing interview with an Israeli official last night, there appears to be an almost complete blackout of the Gaza invasion by Israeli forces on the news. The numbers of Palestinian dead, &5% of whom are civilians, compared to the 2 Israeli's who have died, the aggressiveness that makes full use of Israel's far superior weaponry, and the targeting of homes and villages (albeit with the warnings to evacuate...to where?) belie Israel's moral posturing. I am angry because Israel, by it's behavior , has betrayed all of us who believed in the promise of Israel and its world leadership potential. It's problems are now of its own making.
 
 
0 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-07-19 20:25
And remember, we read their "Bible" for inspiration. An imported Middle-Eastern philosophy. Lovely! What? Jesus was not born in the U.S.? Are you sure? Anybody, anybody?
 
 
-16 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 04:56
Try arming yourself with all the facts before you pass judgement on a country about which you know nothing.
Please Read Brandon O'Neill's brilliant editorial, "There’s something very ugly in this rage against Israel | Brendan O’Neill | spiked
 
 
+8 # oscar7 2014-07-22 09:43
I read the article you mentioned. There is no 'facts' in that article, only a log diatribe against the "double standard of the left" that is against Israel militarism and not others'.
 
 
+92 # wwway 2014-07-19 09:57
The murder of those Jewish boys is now an excuse to wage war. We're given the impression that murder and criminal investigation is absent in Jewish society.
The US has enabled Israel by giving it our tax dollars, allowed it to declare nuclear ambiguity while helping it develop it's weapons systems, etc, etc. Israel ignored UN resolutions etc, etc. Israel has no desire to make any peace. It wants all of Gaza and West Bank and the US is going to ensure that happens no matter how long it takes or how much pretense our government displays. The Arab world is tired of getting the blame while Israel does what it wants with impunity.
 
 
-136 # pagrad 2014-07-19 11:04
Those poor Palestinians! They don’t even have rocket launchers to bomb those nasty Israelis. …After all, the Israelis are just Concentration Camp survivors and nasty Jews. And, the Palestinians don’t have any tunnels to store weapons, explosives and ways to smuggle their terrorists into Israel. Even other Arab countries won’t allow them into their area. Texas should help those poor innocent people. The State of Texas should accept ALL Palestinians and make them American citizens. Give them Social Security and Food Stamps and guns so that they can rob banks. Elect a Palestinian for President.
 
 
+32 # futhark 2014-07-19 18:40
Funny you should mention Texas in connection with the ongoing Israeli-Palesti nian problem. I'm a native Texan who has often speculated that American support for Israel was, in part, motivated by guilt over not having provided asylum for European Jews in the 1930s and that a fairer solution to the question of establishing a Jewish state would be to turn over a part of southern Texas to the Zionists, providing a buffer between the United States and Mexico and letting the Palestinians enjoy their own territory unmolested. After all, Israel was established by European Jews coming into Palestine, so they were already mobile. Uprooting established Palestinian communities, as you advocate, seems unnecessarily complex and unjust.
 
 
-7 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 05:13
Quoting futhark:
Funny you should mention Texas in connection with the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian problem. I'm a native Texan who has often speculated that American support for Israel was, in part, motivated by guilt over not having provided asylum for European Jews in the 1930s and that a fairer solution to the question of establishing a Jewish state would be to turn over a part of southern Texas to the Zionists, providing a buffer between the United States and Mexico and letting the Palestinians enjoy their own territory unmolested. After all, Israel was established by European Jews coming into Palestine, so they were already mobile. Uprooting established Palestinian communities, as you advocate, seems unnecessarily complex and unjust.


Israel existed 3,000 years ago. There has ALWAYS been a Jewish presence on that land. Israel was established as a Jewish State by the British. (Look up Balfour Declaration). When Britain took "Palestine" from the Ottoman Turks during WWI, they ceded a much greater portion of the land to the Jews (who were there long before Hitler).
Later, 78% of the land promised to the Jews was taken from them and given to the new state of Jordan. A large number of Jews did emigrate to Israel after WWII. So did 1 million Jewish refugees who were expelled from Arab countries. I wish people would read more history.
 
 
+4 # A_Har 2014-07-22 20:05
How generous of the Brits to give away land to the Zionists without any consideration for the people who were already living there. But then that was how imperialistic colonial powers operated--not allowing their colonies any say in their own destiny.

This has often resulted in numerous MESSES/conflict s and even ethnic wars.

Did you know they also drew up the boundaries of Iraq with utterly no input from the locals:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/17/gertrude-of-arabia-the-woman-who-invented-iraq.html

We have them and the "White Man's Burden" to thank for all kinds of debacles.

Israel may have existed 3,000 years ago, but in the meantime, lots of other people also have a claim to it as their ancestors have lived there for a very long time too.
 
 
-11 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 05:03
I hate to disrupt your ranting with facts, but israel did not "wage war" b/o the murdered Jewish boys (and I was sickened to learn of the revenge murder of that poor Palestinian kid).
Israel went to war to stop the rocket attacks on her citizens and the Hamas terrorists popping up in Israel from tunnels they dug in Gaza to attack or kill Israelis.
One of the reason the civilian casualties are so horrendous in Gaza is that your heroes in Gaza used all their cement to build tunnels for their fighters and rockets and left their people out to fend for themselves. They made sure they could parade dead bodies for the tv cameras.
 
 
+4 # Henry 2014-07-22 15:54
It's "The Blame Game!"

And why are Palestinians so angry? Think about it, Brooklyn.
 
 
+77 # Glen 2014-07-19 10:00
Not only "might" the U.S. pay the consequences for supporting Israel, Israel definitely will pay the consequences. The entire world is watching and realigning, which will widen attacks and violence in many countries. Countries you don't hear much about that are under attack by the U.S. will be better known, and WWIII will definitely be established.

Dennis Kucinich needs to gather his troops and go after those in the U.S. government who continue to support Israel's murderous policies.
 
 
+33 # riverhouse 2014-07-19 17:35
We already have paid horrific consequences for supporting Israel. Osama bin Laden told us himself that the reason he attacked us on September 11 was because of our unbridled support of Israel.
 
 
+16 # John S. Browne 2014-07-20 01:15
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OBL did NOT attack us!! He was the "al CIAduh(!)" willing patsy, fallguy and scapegoat for it, and for the almost entirely false official 9-11 fairy tale and cover(-up) story. He de- nied involvement in 9-11. All of his so-called video and/or audio "confessions" of his "involvement" in it, have all been proven to be nothing but complete fakes. And the FBI admits to this day that there is no direct evidence that he was involved in 9-11 [they never put him on the most-wanted-ter rorist list because of that fact---yes, there was an interna- tional U.S. arrest warrant for his apprehension from January of 2001 just before Clinton left office; but, of all the many times that the U.S. and/or its allies had the opportunity to take him into custody, he was consistently allowed to remain free; as his visit to a U.S. military- "al CIAduh(!)" hospital in Germany, and a visit of him there by one of his "al CIAduh(!)" controller agents, in June or July of 2001, where and when he was not taken into custody but allowed to go free; and the Taliban's offer to turn him over to the U.S. after 9-11, but the U.S. government refusing; all attests to].

(Continued)
 
 
+9 # John S. Browne 2014-07-20 01:16
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He was a protected asset of the U.S. government ever since his role in creating "al Q'aeda", aka "al CIAduh(!)", to fight the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980s; and he continued to be an "al CIAduh(!)" asset from then on until his true death in December of 2001 from kidney failure, and/or the complications from his previously-ongo ing kidney failure for which he constantly had to receive kidney dialysis until his death.

So, you and all those like you need to stop believing any of the lying U.S. government false propaganda.

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-6 # Hard Look 2014-07-20 09:30
And I guess you take everything Osama bin Laden said at face value. Or is it only the things you'd like to believe?
 
 
+4 # moonrigger 2014-07-21 20:42
We've been paying for the zionist state mistake for decades, as has the entire Middle East. Now even Hassidim are protesting against Israel, because they know what will follow: WWIII.
 
 
-158 # brux 2014-07-19 10:03
Kucinich, you moron, Gazans already struck, over and over and over and over, it is Israel that is striking back to stop it.
 
 
+99 # REDPILLED 2014-07-19 11:13
Shooting captive fish in a barrel is NOT "striking back to stop it".

War crimes are war crimes, regardless of who commits them (Hamas' pathetic rockets and Israel's State Terrorism with U.S. weapons and funding). Face the facts, as inconvenient as they are.
 
 
+8 # 22dragon 2014-07-21 09:32
FICTION: We had to slaughter the residents of Shejaia because so many rockets were coming from there." (Israel to US News Outlets)

FACT: Only 8% of intrusions on Israel come from Shejaia. (Israel itself to itself)

Who are you going to believe? Israel #1, Israel #2, or your lying eyes that tell you that Israel is bombing hospitals and fragging innocents?
 
 
+110 # wrknight 2014-07-19 11:25
Brux, you moron. The Gazans striking with with impotent missiles and mortars (and killing 2 victims) is nothing compared to the slaughter of hundreds of victims killed by massive bombing and shelling by the Israelis. While the old testament says "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", it says nothing about retaliating 100 times for each injury.

And it's not just about the scale of retaliation, it's about the continued encroachment of Palestinian lands, the economic embargoes and the totalitarian control over the lives of the Palestinians. If anyone treated you like that, you would be the first one to bitch.

Don't ever disparage Kucinich. He was one of the few sane voices in Congress in your entire lifetime.
 
 
+51 # ritawalpoleague 2014-07-19 12:31
wrknight, I'll always honor Kucinich, and never forget him in '04, at an ABB (Anyone But Bush) gathering, with numerous other candidates. Great Kucinich, when it was his turn to speak, raised his hands to above his head, turned around, and. with a twinkle in his eyes, told the standing room only crowd: "Look, no srings attached." Goosed me, in '06 when Bush and Cheney were visiting the extravagant Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs, to write and pass out a poem/song, with photos of both George "W" and Howdy Doody headlining the page. Pull up: Rita Ague Voter's Lament, and have some fun invisioning so many of today's bought off pols. with similar strings attached.

Kucinich is a rare, great people server, like his ally, Sen. Bernie Sanders, the longtime people server who I, along with countless others, am begging to run as a Dem. in '16. No more pol. puppets.

SANDERS PANDERS NOT, TO THE 1%
 
 
+2 # John S. Browne 2014-07-20 01:35
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Then why is Sanders bought off and blindly supporting the F-35 fighter jet, trillion-dollar boondoggle, eh?! Wake up and stop supporting ANY of these sellouts AT ALL!!

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+15 # Kootenay Coyote 2014-07-19 20:04
How many dead Palestinian kids does it take to give satisfaction?
 
 
-16 # Hard Look 2014-07-20 09:56
Satisfaction to who? To the Hamas leadership, or to those in the international community who blindly support them to indulge their own feelings of self-righteousn ess?
 
 
+8 # John S. Browne 2014-07-20 01:29
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"'Brux', you moron, Israel already struck, over and over and over and over (again), (and) it is Palestine that is striking back to stop it [defending themselves in any and all measly ways that they can against the overwhelming military superiority that Israel has, and which keeps them from having anything but their measly means of 'defense'; all while the most powerful nations in the world, and willful-idiots like you, look on with absolute approval and appeasement of, and bless, the endless crimes against the peace, crimes against humanity, war crimes, viola- tions of U.S. and international law, mass-collective -punishment (in and of itself a war crime), mass- murder, mass-open-air-i mprisonment, and on and on and on, perpetrated by the U.S. and Israeli governments and militaries, NATO, and their allies, with full impunity and immunity]."

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+15 # Milarepa 2014-07-19 10:20
Putin just lost in Ukraine and Netanyahu is losing in Gaza.
 
 
-1 # keenon the truth 2014-07-20 20:47
I don't think the two things are comparable, Milarepa
 
 
-90 # kalpal 2014-07-19 10:25
It appears that many people feel Isral has no right to defend its people.

Hamas uses Gaza's people to protect its weapons which is only fitting and proper since otherwise Israel would not let Hamas keep trying to kill Jews.

After all the reason jews exist is to be victimized, murdered, maimed and harassed.Let it not be said that Hamas shirked its duty to commit murder and mayhem just because Israel has the capacity to retaliate.

Maybe Dennis can explain how to persuade Hamas to stop trying to murder jews.
 
 
+75 # Glen 2014-07-19 10:39
Don't you or brux understand anything at all about Israel? Ever read the history? Ever paid any attention to what it has done to Palestinians and in Lebanon? Ever pay attention to the armaments at Israel's disposal? How may Israelis have actually died at the hands of Palestinians? Then go over into the land of Palestinians and see what has been destroyed, the number of people dead, water and land stolen, all supplies totally controlled by Israel. And do check out the number of babies and children dead and maimed. That is NOT because HAMAS uses them for cover. It is because they have nowhere to go.

THAT policy was NOT the fault of HAMAS. That policy developed as soon as Israel was truly established.
 
 
-64 # pagrad 2014-07-19 11:17
That's right! Palestinians have nowhere to go, since no Arab state is idiot enough to accept them.
 
 
+1 # chellamia 2014-07-23 11:28
Glen, everytime I turn on the TV lately, it's all about Russia and the missile situation and nothing about what's going on in Gaza as i don't think they want Americans to know or analyze the whole picture. How many Americans do you think realize we send 3 billion to Israel annually so doesn't that make us as complicit as Russia in a somewhat similar situation although this may not be the best comparison, all I can say is this free press of ours does a good job of Keeping Americans in the dark so therefore, "OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND"
 
 
+32 # wrknight 2014-07-19 11:11
It has every right to defend its people. It has no right to murder 100 innocents for every Israeli victim.
 
 
+43 # angelfish 2014-07-19 11:16
Quoting kalpal:
It appears that many people feel Isral has no right to defend its people.

Hamas uses Gaza's people to protect its weapons which is only fitting and proper since otherwise Israel would not let Hamas keep trying to kill Jews.

After all the reason jews exist is to be victimized, murdered, maimed and harassed.Let it not be said that Hamas shirked its duty to commit murder and mayhem just because Israel has the capacity to retaliate.

Maybe Dennis can explain how to persuade Hamas to stop trying to murder jews.

Israel has EVERY right to defend it's people. It has NO right to murder innocent civilians en masse! Netanyahu doesn't want Peace. He is a Nazi in sheep's clothing who wants TOTAL control over a people who were on that land before MOST of the Post-1948 Jews ever THOUGHT of Israel as an independent nation! The British have MUCH to answer for in fanning the flames of hostility between the Palestinians and the Israelis. By dividing and separating, these two Semitic peoples, it has prevented them from repairing the damage or LEARNING from their history, and with Netanyahu's "MY way or the Highway" style of governance, peace remains unachievable. Both sides need to STOP trying to murder each other and come to the table to hammer out a JUST settlement of differences and HEAL themselves, in the process. Amen!
 
 
+5 # 22dragon 2014-07-21 09:44
Angelfish, maybe the most instructive post on the subject yet. The Zionist record of collusion with GB to insure that ultimate dominion over Palestine resources would be theirs is well documented. Before healing must come and end to denial, contrition, confession, and reconciliation between all Semites.
 
 
+2 # chellamia 2014-07-23 11:36
angelfish, you said, " By dividing and separating, these two Semitic peoples, it has prevented them from repairing the damage or LEARNING from their history..." I think American has been just as complicit in the strategy of "divide and conquer" As long as governments are successful in this STRATEGY to divide one from another, there will be NO peace, understanding, change or justice. And they accomplish this through the big corporate owned media.
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2014-07-22 21:22
Ending the occupation/endi ng the Apartheid and giving Palestinians EQUAL RIGHTS would be a very positive step towards peace.
 
 
+76 # walt 2014-07-19 10:41
It's a very tragic state of affairs seeing Palestinians whose homes were taken from them defending themselves with stones and old rockets while we arm Israel to the hilt.

Dennis is right. This is much more than Israel defending itself.

Time that we Americans demanded the peace he says we should be seeking before we provide another dollar or weapon that will kill more innocent people.
 
 
+2 # chellamia 2014-07-23 11:43
Walt, and let's remind everyone that we send 3 BILLION TO ISRAEL annually. How much of that goes to their military and weapons? Do people forget at all the people we have trained and armed and then turn around and use against our own interest. How do we know that's not the situation in the Russia missile story? That's all I hear about when I turn on the TV and nothing about the poor people dying in Gaza who live in an open aired prison just trying to survive. It is stunning how little people know about what's really going on over there.
 
 
+63 # seeuingoa 2014-07-19 10:54
How come Israelis cannot understand
that an occupied people has a legitimate
right to resist.

Why do they fire rockets into Israel?

Because they are occupied, stupid!
 
 
-62 # Huey 2014-07-19 11:06
No, Gaza is not occupied. Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005. Hamas took over in 2007 and has been working hard since then to build not infrastructure for peace but only for war.
 
 
+67 # Glen 2014-07-19 11:24
Wrong, Huey. Gaza is surrounded. Nothing goes in, nothing gets out, without the regulation by the Israelis. Israel won't even allow materials in so that the buildings they destroy can be rebuilt. No medicine goes in. Israel has destroyed hospitals, clinics, homes, orchards, water supplies.

Israel has used phosphorus, clusters, bulldozers, tanks, and the gods know what against Palestine. What's the excuse there?
 
 
-26 # Interested Observer 2014-07-19 17:45
Apparently an abundant supply of rockets goes in.
 
 
+1 # chellamia 2014-07-23 11:49
Glen, if you (and others) have some educational links to share on this thread, it would be helpful as clearly the people making rhetorical comments about "poor Israel defending itself" don't have a clue about what's really going on and how the people in Palestine are living essentially in an open aired prison. All they have is opinions based on listening to Fox news and talk radio I imagine. Really have to educate people before there can be meaningful discussion.
 
 
-6 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 05:29
A little truth. How refreshing!
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2014-07-22 22:56
Why do Israeli soldiers bully Palestinians?
http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-1.590048?trailingPath=2.169%2C2.216%2C2.217%2C

The violent behavior of the soldier videotaped aiming his rifle at a Palestinian teen, setting off a storm in the media, especially the social media — was not exceptional.
By Amira Hass | 09:25 12.05.14 | 61



"The robbery of the Palestinians’ time by the Israeli authorities – at every level, both military and civilian – is an integral part of the Israeli domination regime.

Why do soldiers bark obscenities at Palestinians? I didn’t ask the IDF Spokesperson this question. Since I first began covering the occupation, nearly a quarter-century ago, I have learned that soldiers must do so in order to overcome the cognitive dissonance in which they operate. After all, 18 and 20-year-olds can think and feel, in short, be responsible for their actions – and here I part ways with the military experts, obviously. Clearly, 18- and 20-year-olds know the Palestinians are human beings just like us. The trash talk and humiliation builds up the dehumanization, until the soldiers are convinced that the Palestinian is different. Commanders don’t want to stop this, because only then can the soldiers fully carry out their mission: to prevent the Palestinian from walking down the street where he lives, to prevent him from living on the street where he and his parents were born, to destroy the livelihoods of many thousands of people."
 
 
-5 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 05:28
Quoting riverhouse:
We already have paid horrific consequences for supporting Israel. Osama bin Laden told us himself that the reason he attacked us on September 11 was because of our unbridled support of Israel.


The business about Israel was an add-on after the fact. Originally it was because US soldiers stepped foot on holy Saudi soil. Israel just became a convenient excuse.Quoting seeuingoa:
How come Israelis cannot understand
that an occupied people has a legitimate
right to resist.

Why do they fire rockets into Israel?

Because they are occupied, stupid!


Fact check: Israel pulled out of Gaza years ago. They are no longer occupied.
 
 
+49 # HenryS1 2014-07-19 10:56
The logic of power here, is that if bad things happen to Israel, it is allowed to commit crimes against anyone it chooses.

Similarly, the U.S. effectively kills anyone it chooses because 9-11 happened. And because it has the power. When other powers have drones and people are killed on the streets of the U.S. I suspect we will decide to look at justification and morality a bit more closely.

I do not pretend to a solution, nor do I lack sympathy for victims of rocket attacks in Israel. I do suggest that we return to the difficult question of when a life may be taken in revenge, and require more burden of proof on the killers, when we can, regardless of their power or our lack of it.
 
 
+52 # wrknight 2014-07-19 11:41
And speaking of retaliating for 9/11, as I recall there were about 6,000 victims in the 9/11 attack. Compare that number with the hundred thousand plus victims in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you see any similarity between Israeli behavior and American behavior?
 
 
+10 # Douglas Jack 2014-07-19 14:17
wrknight, We are now past the 10th Anniversary Of US Iraq Invasion with 2.7 Million Iraqi Deaths plus many more in Afghanistan starting with US finding of Mujahadeen / AlCIAda. By Dr Gideon Polya 20 March, 2013 Countercurrents .org http://www.countercurrents.org/polya200313.htm

Read this 1998 interview with President Jimmy Carter's National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski about arming the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan before Soviet assistance to the Afghani government. Here's an interview with Brzezinski 1998 Le Nouveau Observateur, translated by David N. Gibbs & William Blum. http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview
 
 
+5 # John S. Browne 2014-07-20 01:50
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And Zbigniew Brzezinski was "Odrona's" top national security and foreign policy advi- ser during his campaign and thereafter [perhaps if not very likely still one of his top national security advisers to this day; and he is a neocon-globalis t-"Fourth-Reich "-Nazi through and through; one of "the crazies" that Ray McGovern and other former "al CIAduh(!)" employees spoke of, who have now completely taken over and control the U.S. and global government].

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+6 # Firefox11 2014-07-22 11:14
Quoting Douglas Jack:


Read this 1998 interview with President Jimmy Carter's National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski about arming the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan before Soviet assistance to the Afghani government. Here's an interview with Brzezinski 1998 Le Nouveau Observateur, translated by David N. Gibbs & William Blum. http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview

I read the interview, OMG; it is no wonder that U.S. foreign policy is so contradictory, confusing, and disingenuous. ex. "When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret US involvement in Afghanistan , nobody believed them . However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war."
 
 
+7 # Kootenay Coyote 2014-07-19 20:05
That was just under 3,000 @ 9/11.
 
 
+44 # tomslockett 2014-07-19 11:25
Dennis Kucinich's exit from Congress was a true loss.

I hope everyone reads "The Human Price of Neocon Havoc" by Robert Parry (also here on RSN News). His thesis, agree or disagree, explains and provides a basis to predict the unfolding chaos in the Middle East. This kind of explanation is always a useful construct.
 
 
+22 # beachboy 2014-07-19 12:00
Except for the fact that both Israel and the US elites can't do 'honest' because they're so used to lies and deception...Den nis Kucinich is right. He is one of the few US politicians, who makes any sense.- Israel and the US, and Britain and Germany, Canada, etc...the whole bunch of fake Christians- just 'goyem' to Israel - who support Israel should be up for charges in world court. Another Nurnberg Tribunal is highly overdue! When all the evidence from past decades is on the table, Israel and the western nations will look a hell of a lot worse than Palestinians, despite wrong doing .- One thing is certain: Israel will never have peace on their present course, because their leaders are too arrogant and racist and violent... and scofflaws! They're not wise enough to know how to get peace. Since the 'west' is stupidly supporting them, the entire world has a big problem. Thanks, you $*&# Zionists and supporting numbsculls!
 
 
-40 # lnason@umassd.edu 2014-07-19 12:05
While I think Kucinich is both honest and sincere, he is clearly incorrect on this subject. Israel is not invading Gaza "because they can" but rather "because they must." The government has an obligation to protect its civilians against the constant barrage of hundreds of rockets that have been showering down indiscriminatel y on homes, schools, temples, hospitals and shops. To do less would be a betrayal of its obligation to protect its citizens.

Most tellingly, Israel accepted the Egyptian proposal for a cease fire and would happily have desisted but Hamas rejected the proposal. Israel appears to want peace but Hamas very definitely wants to continue bombing and kidnapping and murdering Jews.

We shouldn't be involved in this murderous exchange. If we could withdraw from supporting either side and if we could convince Iran and the Saudis and the Turks and the Europeans to similarly withdraw, perhaps the Palestinians would figure out a way to live peaceably with their neighbors. As it stands today, the international community (including the US) is financing a deadly conflict that only leaves more pain and death in its wake.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+30 # A_Har 2014-07-19 13:31
Obviously you missed reading Chris Hedge's article on the Gaza situation that was posted on RSN just recently. I suggest you read it.
Israel Is Captive To Its 'Destructive Process'
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24778-israel-is-captive-to-its-destructive-process

We do NOT get the full story over here in the USA of what is going on as the MSM twists the story and does not detail the why of the Palestinians--t he theft of their land and how they have been impoverished and made second class citizens in their own country.
 
 
+15 # Radscal 2014-07-19 14:13
How surprising that Israel and our military coup regime in Egypt agreed on how to deal with the Gazans. And how strange that Hamas, which had not been invited to the negotiation and was never even formally given the "agreement" didn't accept it.

Hamas (or whoever is doing it) should not be firing these nearly completely ineffective rockets into Israeli territory. But since 2000, the Palestinian Arab to Israeli death toll ratio is 100:1, making obvious the completely disproportional "response" of Israel.
 
 
+4 # tm7devils 2014-07-20 09:22
Which just goes to show that "higher learning" and critical thinking can be mutually exclusive...
 
 
-5 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 05:33
Quoting lnason@umassd.edu:
While I think Kucinich is both honest and sincere, he is clearly incorrect on this subject. Israel is not invading Gaza "because they can" but rather "because they must." The government has an obligation to protect its civilians against the constant barrage of hundreds of rockets that have been showering down indiscriminately on homes, schools, temples, hospitals and shops. To do less would be a betrayal of its obligation to protect its citizens.

Most tellingly, Israel accepted the Egyptian proposal for a cease fire and would happily have desisted but Hamas rejected the proposal. Israel appears to want peace but Hamas very definitely wants to continue bombing and kidnapping and murdering Jews.

We shouldn't be involved in this murderous exchange. If we could withdraw from supporting either side and if we could convince Iran and the Saudis and the Turks and the Europeans to similarly withdraw, perhaps the Palestinians would figure out a way to live peaceably with their neighbors. As it stands today, the international community (including the US) is financing a deadly conflict that only leaves more pain and death in its wake.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts

Thanks! It's nice to hear from someone who understands what's going on. I'm afraid much of our electorate does not read or think very often.
 
 
+1 # A_Har 2014-07-22 22:42
Quoting Brooklyn Basics:

Thanks! It's nice to hear from someone who understands what's going on. I'm afraid much of our electorate does not read or think very often.


Here is something I bet you never read about:

Why do Israeli soldiers bully Palestinians?
http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-1.590048?trailingPath=2.169%2C2.216%2C2.217%2C

The violent behavior of the soldier videotaped aiming his rifle at a Palestinian teen, setting off a storm in the media, especially the social media — was not exceptional.

Or this either:

Israeli lawmaker’s call for genocide of Palestinians gets thousands of Facebook likes
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-lawmakers-call-genocide-palestinians-gets-thousands-facebook-likes

"A day before Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khudair was kidnapped and burned alive allegedly by six Israeli Jewish youths, Israeli lawmaker Ayelet Shaked published on Facebook a call for genocide of the Palestinians.

It is a call for genocide because it declares that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy” and justifies its destruction, “including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure. "
 
 
+2 # Firefox11 2014-07-22 10:43
Quoting lnason@umassd.edu:


We shouldn't be involved in this murderous exchange. If we could withdraw from supporting either side and if we could convince Iran and the Saudis and the Turks and the Europeans to similarly withdraw, perhaps the Palestinians would figure out a way to live peaceably with their neighbors. As it stands today, the international community (including the US) is financing a deadly conflict that only leaves more pain and death in its wake.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts

Agree, the U.S. needs to back off; and others need to as well. No good is coming from the continuing interference by third parties. Specifically the U.S. needs to cease using Israel as a testing site/dumping ground for its latest military hardware. Unfortunately the U.S. economy is a war time economy; hence, the never-ending war on terror.
 
 
+34 # A_Har 2014-07-19 13:21
Meanwhile....ba ck at the ranch:

US Senate Unanimously Passes Resolution Supporting Israeli Assault on Gaza
http://imemc.org/article/68523

"No dissenting vote was cast, and no mention was made of the hundreds of Palestinian civilians, most of whom are women and children, that have been killed by Israel in the past ten days.

Senate Resolution 498 was authored by Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), with additional support by Ben Cardin (D-MD) and son of former Republican party politician Ron Paul, Rand Paul (R-KY)."

KStreet continues to kiss Israel's ass. It makes me sick.
 
 
+9 # Nel 2014-07-19 13:59
"What is the end game?"
If you mean the final solution,that would be gas chambers.
 
 
+11 # riverhouse 2014-07-19 17:41
There is as we speak graffiti on the door of a Palestinian home in Hebron that reads GAS THE ARABS and is signed JDL (Jewish Defense League).
 
 
+1 # A_Har 2014-07-22 20:17
Quoting riverhouse:
There is as we speak graffiti on the door of a Palestinian home in Hebron that reads GAS THE ARABS and is signed JDL (Jewish Defense League).


Yes, and here is the graphic:

http://cardiffpsc.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/0/7/12077963/4880812_orig.jpeg
 
 
+23 # Radscal 2014-07-19 14:01
We should have elected Dennis Kucinich as President in 2008. The way he was marginalized, ridiculed and simply ignored by the corporate press and his DNC opponents was disgraceful.

Similarly, John Dean was removed from contention in 2004, for what? Because of a "pep rally cheer?" I think now. Again, the corporate media and his Democratic opponents destroyed his campaign chances.

The Democratic candidates preferred giving Bush II a second term over defending Dean.
 
 
-18 # arquebus 2014-07-19 15:13
Pray tell....what would the US, do if someone was raining rockets down on New York or even Maine. Are the Israel haters on here actually going to say they would support doing nothing if the US was subjected to such an attack.

To date, more than 5,000 rockets have been fired into Israel including the M302 which has a range of 120 miles and is the equivalent of a 10" shell. They aren't shooting firecrackers at all.

What should Israel do....sit and take the shells coming in day after day and do nothing. Remember there is nothing Israel can do to appease Hamas other than the whole population marching into the sea per Hama's charter (wouldn't that be genocide?).
 
 
+7 # RnR 2014-07-19 16:32
No, they should move their thieving asses out of Palestine.
 
 
-9 # arquebus 2014-07-20 14:52
Pray tell what did they steal?
 
 
+9 # angelfish 2014-07-21 10:11
Quoting arquebus:
Pray tell what did they steal?

Their Homes, their Land, their Birthright, among other things!
 
 
+27 # riverhouse 2014-07-19 17:46
The appropriate question would be what would Americans do if a foreign government was rolling tanks down the streets of our cities and towns, holding us in occupation and containment, restricting our free movement, our access to food, water, heat and electricity, and medical supplies, destroying our homes and killing our families indiscriminatel y. And what every American would be doing is resisting. We would resist with every available means. We would be fighting to the death anyone who came onto our land and tried to take it from us.
 
 
+7 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-20 01:29
Above is a typo
 
 
-3 # Hard Look 2014-07-20 09:24
Americans understand that if one party says, "We're attacking you because you're occupying us," and the other party takes a risk by withdrawing, only to get burned when the first party immediately seizes the chance to renew attacks, it's OUTRAGEOUSLY MANIPULATIVE for the first party to portray itself as the victim when the second party responds.

Anyone can see that the whole point of Hamas's attacks when Israel withdrew was to keep Gaza in conflict so that it would have something to "resist." It's time to retire this shameful ruse, which has caused needless misery to the inhabitants of Gaza.

A telltale signs that Mr. Kucinich's little screed isn't on the level is that he completely ignores the monumental fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza nearly 10 years ago.
 
 
-6 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 05:46
Quoting Hard Look:
Americans understand that if one party says, "We're attacking you because you're occupying us," and the other party takes a risk by withdrawing, only to get burned when the first party immediately seizes the chance to renew attacks, it's OUTRAGEOUSLY MANIPULATIVE for the first party to portray itself as the victim when the second party responds.

Anyone can see that the whole point of Hamas's attacks when Israel withdrew was to keep Gaza in conflict so that it would have something to "resist." It's time to retire this shameful ruse, which has caused needless misery to the inhabitants of Gaza.

A telltale signs that Mr. Kucinich's little screed isn't on the level is that he completely ignores the monumental fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza nearly 10 years ago.

You are so right!
 
 
+5 # Douglas Jack 2014-07-19 18:00
arquebus, RE: "What should Israel do?" When apartheid religious-based political & economic control has been illegally appropriated by an invading people, then it is up to them to reach out in dialogue.

Examples are: Iroquois 'Kaianerekowa' ('Great-good-wa y-of-kindness') , Nguni (southern Africa) 'Ubuntu' ('Human-kindnes s'), Mohandas Gandhi & India's 'Satyagraha' (Hindi 'truth-search') , Socrates foundation of 'debate' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight') Worldwide humanity's indigenous ancestors & people today implemented a constellation of inter-disciplin ary human practices called the Circle of Life. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/indigenous-circle-of-life

A key process to get human collaboration flowing is Dialectic Rights for all / debate. Both-sided, equal-time, recorded & published dialogues must be made available for whole populations including present leaders from both sides. The government & people of Israel being in control of civil apparatus must engage their perceived opponents. Formal debate enables whole populations to hear from the other side as well as prioritize one's truth over violence be it individual or state. Truth-search, puts emphasis on pro-action & outs those who are drawn to violence, before they re-act. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues

BTW, we can only work with the people of our time, so do not assume I'm redressing 2000 years of invasion.
 
 
-11 # arquebus 2014-07-20 14:55
Invading people? The only time I know that Israel invaded anyone is when they were attacked by their neighbors who tried to invade and destroy them. Perhaps you have some other example you would share.
 
 
+2 # Douglas Jack 2014-07-20 18:32
arquebus, RE: "The only time I know . . ." Here are records in the Secret Contacts: Zionism & Nazi Germany, 1933 - 1941 by Klaus Polkehn which very well describe the nature of the period during which our ancestors as refugees from Nazi Germany & Europe 'settled-invade d' Palestine. https://archive.org/details/TheSecretContacts-ZionismAndNaziGermany1933-1941

You may not be aware but all colonization-in vasion of every region of the world was typically peopled by economic-ecolog ical life-threatened refugees from brutal regimes who fled for their very lives. Few left Europe whimsically. All left because of the ecological, economic & war destruction of life support systems, which made life difficult & death for those remaining likely.

Thus we don't blame refugees but given 'exogenous' (Latin 'other-generate d') terminal destruction of the earth, it is time to learn again how to live in 'indigenous' (L 'self-generatin g') harmony, peace & abundance. Perhaps can you join us at Indigene Community in rediscovering how to live again on earth together with all life? https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/8-economic-democracy
 
 
-7 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-20 01:30
So true. Thank you for trying to educate the ignorant.
 
 
+11 # wrknight 2014-07-20 13:03
Quoting arquebus:
Pray tell....what would the US, do if someone was raining rockets down on New York or even Maine. Are the Israel haters on here actually going to say they would support doing nothing if the US was subjected to such an attack.


Actually, we did retaliate for the attack against us on 9/11. And like the Israelis, we attacked and killed nearly 100 people for each American killed in the 9/11 attacks, none of whom had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks - they were just collateral damage.

Doesn't that make you proud?
 
 
-5 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-22 05:42
Quoting arquebus:
Pray tell....what would the US, do if someone was raining rockets down on New York or even Maine. Are the Israel haters on here actually going to say they would support doing nothing if the US was subjected to such an attack.
To date, more than 5,000 rockets have been fired into Israel.
What should Israel do... Remember there is nothing Israel can do to appease Hamas other than the whole population marching into the sea per Hama's charter (wouldn't that be genocide?).

[quote name="arquebus"]
I think it's useless to reason with most of these people; their minds are closed shut.
 
 
0 # John S. Browne 2014-07-23 15:53
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And of course your mind and the minds of your fellow-Zio-fasc ists aren't "closed shut", completely. LOL! What a "joke", you and all those racists like you who are complicit in the mass-murder of mostly-civilian s! You are all absolutely disgusting, monstrous, inhuman(e), merciless, animalistic cretins!

#
 
 
+15 # hydroweb 2014-07-19 16:03
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result...
 
 
+9 # KDI 2014-07-19 16:59
Barbara Honegger: Behind the Smoke Curtain

NeoCons Wolfowitz, Prince of Darkness Pearle, Chalabi, Khalilizad, etc . . . are all students and followers of NeoCon founder Leo Strauss who taught at the University of Chicago
• Strauss was even more extreme than his mentor and sponsor Carl Schmitt in Germany who was Hitler’s Legal Theorist.
• The Schmitt-Strauss doctrine is that the State needs enemies and must fabricate lies for the many while its leaders embrace the darkness
• Shadia Drury ; Leo Strauss and the American Right ; 1997 ; Quote: Strauss taught that those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right which is the right of the superior to rule over the inferior


• Seymour Hersh ; Internationally Acclaimed Journalist ; Quote: . . . we have been taken over by eight or nine in a NeoNazi cult. They somehow grabbed the US government by managing to overcome the bureaucracy and the Congress and the press with apparent ease which is testimony about how fragile our democracy is.

So, why is it that Israel Invades Gaza Because It Can? Well, another way to look at NeoNazis is: ZioNazis. Proof positive that terror like Nazism produces a terror backlash that's even worse.
 
 
+15 # jimmythelark 2014-07-19 18:21
We the people of the U.S.A.and especially the Israeli lobby are RESPONSIBLE for the MURDER happening in Gaza-we give the Israelis money (3 or 4 billion each year plus BILLIONS in military aide.The US Senate Unanimously Passed Resolution 498 Supporting the Israeli Assault on Gaza- our SCUM politicans support the genocide of the Palestinian people (NO Dessenting vote was cast) we elected them -we are responsible !! Remember the USS Liberty- The ISRAELIS intentionally killed our own AMERICAN sailors !!!
Israel intended to sink the USS Liberty and blame Egypt for it, thus dragging the United States into a war on Israel's behalf) Go to USSLIBERTY.org and talk to the remaining survivors - their telephone #'s are online- Why is it that no one in our government will talk about the incident ?? The Israeli government used unmarked planes to SLAUGHTER our American Servicemen and our president colluded with the Israel to KILL our own TROOPS!! WHY !! Our own president recalled the jet fighters sent to rescue the USS LIBERTY and left our AMERICAN SERVICEMEN to be slaughtered by "our friend " Israel. STOP using our AMERICAN boys to fight other country's WARS !! STOP sending our money to ISRAEL !! Use our money to take care of our injured SERVICEMEN !!! and help the AMERICAN people !! Prosecute ISRAEL for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY !!! and our SCUM politicians !! Does anyone out there KNOW WHY ISRAEL got away with KILLING our MEN?
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+5 # Eliz77 2014-07-19 18:43
I thought this poem I wrote in 2009 might still be appropriate here.

EYELESS IN GAZA
Ichabod is not a funny name

A glamor of violence
is thrown over all our days.
Even the blind in Gaza
wonder how
freedom will rise
out of all this pain.

Hate is a terrible teacher.
Generations survived from Warsaw
remember the lesson
too well.
What must we do
when brothers and sisters
kill each other
without apology.
"He started it,"
they protest,
pointing rockets at each other.

Sarah, will your heart be
forever hard
to keep Hagar’s children
outcast always?
Death is unforgiving
and leaves only room for sorrow.
Silence will not save us,
the moat of distance is a lie.

Elizabeth Barger, 1/5/09
 
 
-2 # John S. Browne 2014-07-20 00:52
#

Thank God for the sane other side of the story, as we're being deluged, and many RSN readers are being deluded, by articles of false Israeli propaganda defending and supporting this latest mass-murdering incursion into Palestine!

Not that I care for Kucinich, due to his absolute sellout of "true-healthcar e-for-all", and/or "single-payer" healthcare for all Americans, and his cowardly capitulation to "Odrona" for the monstrosity that is "Odrona-'care'".

But, nevertheless, thank God that he is completely telling it like it is on this subject matter!

Go truth!

#
 
 
+1 # A_Har 2014-07-22 20:32
Quoting John S. Browne:
#Go truth!#

Yes, and this is the truth:

Palestinians kept second-class citizens in Israel with bureaucratic, legal matrix
http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/books/palestinians-kept-second-class-citizens-in-israel-with-bureaucratic-legal-matrix

"Israel’s meticulous battle over nationality is plainly distilled on the state ID card. Israeli ID cards have long listed whether one is an Arab, Jew or otherwise, with no recourse to the seemingly natural option of “Israeli” nationality.

Life has been defined along these strict religious and ethnic binaries to establish clear parameters between the privileged class and others. ID cards, the physical embodiment of this policy, allow security officials to perform frequent “random” ID checks around bus stations, in airports and busy pedestrian areas.

For many Palestinian citizens of Israel, their ID cards simply invite unnecessary harassment from security officials."

Israel is a Zionist-Fascist state who has flooded the media of the USA with its own self serving justifications for the occupation imposed on the Palestinians. To find out the real story, you have to go outside of the MSM which slavishly promotes the Israeli line.

The Palestinians have no rights in their own country--therei n lies the problem. Pro Israel posters support a regime that practices APARTHEID.
 
 
+1 # A_Har 2014-07-22 20:37
The article is a review of a scholarly book on the conflict. The name of the book is *Citizen Strangers: Palestinians and the Birth of Israel’s Liberal Settler State* written by a scholar who did some good research.
http://www.amazon.com/Shira-Robinson/e/B00E8LX7PW/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1405995672&sr=8-1-fkmr0

I would take this investgations of an associate professor of history and international affairs at the George Washington University in Washington as being far more legitimate than opinions people here garnered from TeeVee news which is grossly distorted by the corporate media.
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2014-07-22 20:40
If you bother to read the article based on the review, you might learn something. Here is the link again: http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/books/palestinians-kept-second-class-citizens-in-israel-with-bureaucratic-legal-matrix

"The book’s most striking revelation for any observer of the Middle East is how Israel’s current matrix of control over Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza originated in the early 1950s. For example, Robinson presents a detailed discussion of the permit structure, which originated in late 1948. All aspects of life, from employment to food rationing, were delineated by permits for both Palestinians and Jews. While Israeli Jews were first to receive new national ID cards as early as 1949, Palestinians were subjected to a humiliating battle to secure permits for travel between villages and towns, as well as working privileges. Those Palestinians who were unable to acquire the necessary permits were quickly dispatched to Israel’s military justice system and their property was, in some cases, available to be expropriated by the newly formed state. Shockingly, Robinson notes that in some villages and towns, Israeli officers had to meet monthly quotas for the numbers of Palestinians they arrested for permit violations and were even rewarded for exceeding the quotas."

The exclusion of the Palestinians from having any rights was a deliberate POLICY of the Israeli government FROM THE BEGINNING.
 
 
0 # John S. Browne 2014-07-23 16:03
#

Yo, dude, did you misunderstand my comment; because I made it obvious that I'm on the Palestinian's side? But your last comment in this string makes it sound like I'm supposedly "pro-Zio-fascis m", which I'm NOT. I "might learn something", as if I don't already understand the grave and dire injustice that the Israeli government and military Zio-fascists are inflicting on the Palestinians, and have for time immemorial? If you misunderstood my comment(s), please read them more carefully. Thank you.

#
 
 
-19 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-20 00:59
Poor Mr. Kucinich seems unable to distinguish the forest from the trees. Mr. Kucinich, and your fan club, perhaps you can all educate yourselves and escape the burden of your anti-Semitism by reading Brandon O"Neill's brilliant analysis of the double standard by which Israel is judged:

There’s something very ugly in this rage against Israel | Brendan O’Neill | spiked
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2014-07-22 20:45
Quoting Brooklyn Basics:
There’s something very ugly in this rage against Israel | Brendan O’Neill | spiked


The so called ugly "rage" is based on the fact that the situation is a violation of a people's human rights, and we fear that the Israelis are running a Pogrom on the Palestinians. That is the real ugly part to me. Too bad you can't understand it.
 
 
-18 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-07-20 01:28
What is happening in Gaza is a tragedy, make no mistake. But equally tragic is the outpouring of Jew-hatred in response to Israel trying to protect it's citizens from constant rocket attacks, kidnappings, and the constant threat of extinction, both stated and implied. This is after Israel withdrew from Gaza and turned it back to the Palestinian people. American Jews donated expensive green houses to help jump start a Palestinian produce industry. It was destroyed, Hamas took over Gaza, and rockets started flying at Israeli cities.
So many people judge Israel by a double standard because Israel is a Jewish state, and so many are still infected with the virus of anti-Semitism.
Read Brandon O'Neill's brilliant editorial, "There’s something very ugly in this rage against Israel | Brendan O’Neill | spiked"
 
 
+1 # keenon the truth 2014-07-20 21:14
@Brooklyn Basics

About the greenhouses. You have (deliberately?) misrepresented this incident.

See The Hasbara Effect

http://thehasbarabuster.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/gaza-greenhouse-effect.html
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2014-07-22 21:40
Israeli mass demo calling for mass killings of Arabs
http://www.scottishpsc.org.uk/index.php/zionism/current/rise-and-rise-of-the-fascist-right/923-israeli-mass-demo-calling-for-mass-killings-of-arabs

"Mass demonstration of Israeli Jewish youth calling for the mass murder of Palestinians, Arabs. Many of the Whiteshirts are serving soldiers with power of life and death over Palestinians.

The demonstration was to celebrate the "reunion of Jerusalem", by spitting at Arabs, by standing in front of a mosque and chanting "Death to Arabs", " Muhammad is dead", " Butcher the Arabs", " I hate all Arabs" and " Listen well you Arabs ! we don't want any making-up ! the refrain will always continue, May your village burn down, May your village burn down !"
If an equally vile mass demonstration had taken place anywhere in the world chanting "Butcher the Jews!", we would have known about it.

A Nazi is a Nazi is a Nazi - these young men are the Israeli equivalent of Nazis, who are put in ISraeli Army uniforms and given power over Palestinians in occupied Palestine."

http://youtu.be/x9Qsapnz_n4
 
 
-9 # peacetrain 2014-07-20 08:47
Dennis, The Hamas who started shooting the 1,000's of rockets at Israel even if they are being shot down or missing their targets want very very much to hit Israeli populations and kill as many people as they can. How can you ignore this? if by chance a missile hit right on target in Telviv for example and killed 1,000 people in an apartment complex, then what would you say? Until Hamas stops shooting rockets what can Israelis do? Turn the other cheek?
 
 
+7 # tm7devils 2014-07-20 09:31
Hamas doesn't own a rocket that can kill a thousand people.
 
 
-11 # arquebus 2014-07-20 14:58
No, they don't....and short of a nuke, neither does Israel. But, the Arabs do have rockets the equivalent of 10" artillery shells with a range of 120 miles and shorter range missiles the equivalent of 3" artillery.
 
 
-12 # peacetrain 2014-07-20 08:55
Dennis ignores entirely the still continuing rockets aimed at killing Israelis. Without addressing this his arguements are one sided and lacks credibility.
 
 
-14 # Hard Look 2014-07-20 08:57
In reality, it is Mr. Kunichich, and those to whom he is shamelessly pandering here, who bear responsibility for the senseless destruction and misery in Gaza. Just as Hamas made a choice to attack Israel in response to Israel's withdrawal in 2005, so Mr. Kucinich and his ilk have made a choice to ignore this historic wrong against Palestine and to side with the perpetrators instead of the victims. As the world wakes up to the senselessness of the ongoing tragedy of Gaza, it will be time to hold Hamas and its international supporters to account for their cynicism and hypocrisy. The civilian population of Gaza are people for whom freedom and better lives were briefly within reach. To whitewash Hamas's brazen theft of that future, as Mr. Kucinich does here, is to use human beings as pawns for no other reason than that they happen to be Palestinian.
 
 
+7 # Pikewich 2014-07-20 21:04
"Just as Hamas made a choice to attack Israel in response to Israel's withdrawal in 2005"...

Bulpucky.

More revisionist history.

Withdrawal? sure, not counting that they built a wall around Gaza so they no longer had to occupy in person. They just turned Gaza into a concentration camp and controlled the gates into it. Then they put the Gazaans on a "diet". remember that. the intention is to slowly starve them to death. Hamas is not a nice touchy feely group, but it is hard to blame them. If I were in an open air prison, being starved slowly, I would hate my jailers just as much as the Gazaans.

So Israel is the victim while they "shoot fish in a barrel?" Over 500 Gazaans dead, 2000 injured, 80% of them civilians, women and children. What is right about that?

1 Israeli dead from "rocket" attacks. Many Israeli soldiers dead now that they have started a ground assault, is that the fault of the Gazaans?

The people in Gaza have no army, navy, or police corse. Very few weapons. They can not flee the bombs and missiles.

They are "Fish in a Barrel".
 
 
+1 # A_Har 2014-07-22 21:07
An Nabi Samuel: “We are living inside of a prison"
http://www.unrwa.org/galleries/photos/nabi-samuel-%E2%80%9Cwe-are-living-inside-prison

"Isa Barakat, also known as Abu Majid, is from An Nabi Samuel and has lived there his entire life. In 2009, Israeli authorities demolished his house due to a lack of building permit. For Palestinians, the process of acquiring a building permit is often prohibitively expensive and uncertain with very few permits being granted. Homes and animal shelters that are without a permit are regularly demolished, a practice which has left thousands of Palestinians destitute."

A short 3 1/2 minute video on the Goldstone report:
The Goldstone Commission Report, Hina Jilani: What we found in Gaza (June 2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkgsa3wdF4

"Gaza is like a Prison."
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2014-07-22 21:02
Quoting Hard Look:
The civilian population of Gaza are people for whom freedom and better lives were briefly within reach.


They were NEVER in reach. The laws of Israel stacked the deck against them from its inception. The Israeli Zionists rigged the game to make them forever second class citizens in their own country. The whole thing was set up to take away everything they had.

Here it is again: http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/books/palestinians-kept-second-class-citizens-in-israel-with-bureaucratic-legal-matrix

"The book’s most striking revelation for any observer of the Middle East is how Israel’s current matrix of control over Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza originated in the early 1950s. For example, Robinson presents a detailed discussion of the permit structure, which originated in late 1948. All aspects of life, from employment to food rationing, were delineated by permits for both Palestinians and Jews. While Israeli Jews were first to receive new national ID cards as early as 1949, Palestinians were subjected to a humiliating battle to secure permits for travel between villages and towns, as well as working privileges."

Work privileges--the y *had to have a permit to be able to WORK* for chrissake and it wasn't easy to GET. Learn just a little more before you spout this BS!
 
 
+14 # elizabethblock 2014-07-20 10:46
Israel warns Gazans to leave. Where are they supposed to go? and how are they supposed to get there?
By air? Gaza had an airport; Israel destroyed it ages ago.
By sea? Gaza had a port; Israel destroyed it ages ago, and Israeli ships are off the Gaza coast waiting to blow Gazan boats out of the water. (They do it regularly to fishing boats.)
By land? Israel, and their Egyptian catspaws, control the borders.
 
 
+10 # elizabethblock 2014-07-20 10:47
Israel has been Goliath, not David, for decades now.
 
 
-13 # arquebus 2014-07-20 15:00
200 million Arabs vs 6 million Jews (and don't forget a few million Persians) and Israel is Goliath. ROTFLMAO. Surely you jest.
 
 
+3 # Curatica 2014-07-20 14:43
Mr. Kucinich tells the truth, as he always did.

But America will not shift from supporting the Zionist state, because American politics is based on interests not on principles, and because virtually all the American politicians rely on Jewish money to reach and maintain their positions of power. Let alone the controlling power of the Jewish controlled media.

As far as the "drift towards vitriol", blame the hasbara trolls for that.
 
 
-6 # Hard Look 2014-07-20 21:03
This time, the vitriol comes from the dawning realization among anti-Israel exhibitionists that they've exposed themselves to criticism for their cynical use of the Palestinian cause. The naked pandering, the convoluted rhetoric, the fierce temper tantrums--all serve to enable Hamas to keep victimizing the people it rules.
 
 
+8 # Pikewich 2014-07-20 20:50
Israel "defends" itself in much the same way our forefathers "defended" themselves against the indigenous populations of North America.

Genocide.
 
 
+7 # raydar878 2014-07-21 00:46
The soiled creation of Zion
The fact shall always remain that countless European Ashkenazi Jews who have no cultural or historical association with Palestine have lost their lives to realise a fantasy-driven, hyper-supremaci st ideal that has no basis in Judaism whatsoever! That countless more Palestinians have perished, been displaced, never to return home with house keys and deeds still in their hands is just a price they had to pay for people like Theodore Herzl, David Ben Gurion and the original keeper of the Zionist gate, Mr Balfour. Yes, you may have your Jewish only (supremacist) state and flourish as a beacon of hope and prosperity, but at what and whose expense? The stain of ethnic cleansing and the vile act of identicide will forever be the bedrock upon which it was built and its name thus etched in infamy for generations to come.
 
 
-9 # Fraenkel.1 2014-07-21 09:57
Sorry your bigotry is showing. At least show both sides. If Mexico started throwing rockets over the border imagine how US would respond.
 
 
-7 # mmcmanus 2014-07-21 10:19
It is the stated objective of Hamas to destroy Israel, hence the offensive (as opposed to defensive) tunnels and the rockets. If the people of Gaza want peace they must get rid of Hamas, otherwise the Israelis have no choice, ans should be supported to defend themselves in any manner.You can't let Hamas provoke Israel, use you as a shield, and then complain that you're being shot at.
 
 
+3 # Firefox11 2014-07-22 10:51
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Similarly, John Dean was removed from contention in 2004, for what? Because of a "pep rally cheer?" I think now. Again, the corporate media and his Democratic opponents destroyed his campaign chances.
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Agree with you; however, the candidate was Howard Dean in '04. John Dean was the former White House counsel for Richard Nixon who testified during the Watergate hearings. He has written an excellent book, The Authoritarian Personality, which explains a lot of what is going on within the U.S. vis-a-vis this issue.
 
 
+1 # mclaire12 2014-07-22 22:16
pathological leaders and generals go to war-that is what they do best. Watch who you give power to. Bibi is not all israel. Putin is not all Russia. Hamas is not all Gaza. flopping into palestine in 1947 without a strategy was a gamble and a great risk. when you are gambling you have to be shrewd, Israel wasn't shrewd, isn't shrewd today. the entire Reform movement questioned the manner of "right of return" this is not judaism.
 
 
+1 # mclaire12 2014-07-22 22:19
Please study the great Reform Movement of the 19th Century
in America especially the writings of the great Isaac Mayer Wise.
Classic Reform was/is the true Judaism. I am heartbroken at
its inexcusable demise in favor of this War that Rabbi Wise predicted.
 
 
+1 # chellamia 2014-07-23 11:57
There is a huge difference between American Jews and Israeli's for one thing. I was at the mall and getting a hard sell for some cosmetics from the Dead Sea and got into a political discussion and was stunned by comments by the salesman who was unabashedly saying how much he liked to fight and kill Palestinians who he felt totally threatened by. I felt like I was talking to someone who was totally brainwashed by a far right agenda and yet when a Muslim woman brought him some food, he was all cozy up to her. The Jewish friends I've had always seem very intelligent and educated so I was totally unprepared for this type of mentality and it left me feeling just numb and cold.
 
 
0 # tellmemore 2014-07-25 17:21
If Mexico or Canada were to lob hundreds of rockets into Texas or Ohio, what should the US government do? Not put an end to the lobbing of the rockets?
 

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