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Kucinich writes: "The Iraq War was not a 'mistake' - it resulted from calculated deception. The painful, unvarnished fact is that we were lied to. Now is the time to have the willingness to say that."

Former congressman Dennis Kucinich. (photo: Getty Images)
Former congressman Dennis Kucinich. (photo: Getty Images)


Stop Calling the Iraq War a 'Mistake'

By Dennis Kucinich, Reader Supported News

17 June 14

 

s Iraq descends into chaos again, more than a decade after "Mission Accomplished," media commentators and politicians have mostly agreed upon calling the war a "mistake." But the "mistake" rhetoric is the language of denial, not contrition: it minimizes the Iraq War's disastrous consequences, removes blame, and deprives Americans of any chance to learn from our generation's foreign policy disaster. The Iraq War was not a "mistake" -- it resulted from calculated deception. The painful, unvarnished fact is that we were lied to. Now is the time to have the willingness to say that.

In fact, the truth about Iraq was widely available, but it was ignored. There were no WMD. Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. The war wasn't about liberating the Iraqi people. I said this in Congress in 2002. Millions of people who marched in America in protest of the war knew the truth, but were maligned by members of both parties for opposing the president in a time of war -- and even leveled with the spurious charge of "not supporting the troops."

I've written and spoken widely about this topic, so today I offer two ways we can begin to address our role:

1) President Obama must tell us the truth about Iraq and the false scenario that caused us to go to war.

When Obama took office in 2008, he announced that his administration would not investigate or prosecute the architects of the Iraq War. Essentially, he suspended public debate about the war. That may have felt good in the short term for those who wanted to move on, but when you're talking about a war initiated through lies, bygones can't be bygones.

The unwillingness to confront the truth about the Iraq War has induced a form of amnesia which is hazardous to our nation's health. Willful forgetting doesn't heal, it opens the door to more lying. As today's debate ensues about new potential military "solutions" to stem violence in Iraq, let's remember how and why we intervened in Iraq in 2003.

2) Journalists and media commentators should stop giving inordinate air and print time to people who were either utterly wrong in their support of the war or willful in their calculations to make war.

By and large, our Fourth Estate accepted uncritically the imperative for war described by top administration officials and congressional leaders. The media fanned the flames of war by not giving adequate coverage to the arguments against military intervention.

President Obama didn't start the Iraq War, but he has the opportunity now to tell the truth. That we were wrong to go in. That the cause of war was unjust. That more problems were created by military intervention than solved. That the present violence and chaos in Iraq derives from the decision which took America to war in 2003. More than a decade later, it should not take courage to point out the Iraq war was based on lies.

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+233 # PCPrincess 2014-06-17 10:51
Thank you Mr. Kucinich. Unfortunately, I just don't have faith whatsoever in our current legislative branch to make truth a priority. Save for a few ethical individuals such as Sanders, Wyden, Grayson, & Warren, most current elected officials are concerned only with preserving their job and bringing in contributions. Our current system is corrupt to the core and I'm not even sure it can be repaired.
 
 
+95 # indian weaver 2014-06-17 12:14
The corruption is endemic and systematic. The government is no longer salvable in its present form. The country will deteriorate and implode into civil war. No other option exists. It'll take awhile yet for the government to start massacring the population of civilians en masse, but it's coming. Look at the armament being deployed nationwide among all law enforcement agencies, public and private militias, plus the FBI / CIA / Homeland Security now sweeping up populations en masse (immigrants, blacks, trivial drug offenders, protesters, etc.). No other way to destroy this government than to let it destroy itself at this point. And We The People will be destroyed, as targets and as collateral damages.
 
 
+22 # WestWinds 2014-06-18 06:33
Quoting indian weaver:
The corruption is endemic and systematic. The government is no longer salvable in its present form. The country will deteriorate and implode into civil war. No other option exists. It'll take awhile yet for the government to start massacring the population of civilians en masse, but it's coming. Look at the armament being deployed nationwide among all law enforcement agencies, public and private militias, plus the FBI / CIA / Homeland Security now sweeping up populations en masse (immigrants, blacks, trivial drug offenders, protesters, etc.). No other way to destroy this government than to let it destroy itself at this point. And We The People will be destroyed, as targets and as collateral damages.


--- I agree, indian weaver, the current administration has never seen fit to rescind posse comitatus or restore habeas corpus, in spite of being constantly hounded over these last many years to do so. I can only deduce from this that they knew and know they are going to be doing terrible things, just like Bush43 removing the ability of students to declare bankruptcy in a jobless market that they created.
 
 
+10 # Firefox11 2014-06-18 18:13
Quoting indian weaver:
The corruption is endemic and systematic. The government is no longer salvable in its present form. The country will deteriorate and implode into civil war. No other option exists. It'll take awhile yet for the government to start massacring the population of civilians en masse, but it's coming. Look at the armament being deployed nationwide among all law enforcement agencies, public and private militias, plus the FBI / CIA / Homeland Security now sweeping up populations en masse (immigrants, blacks, trivial drug offenders, protesters, etc.). No other way to destroy this government than to let it destroy itself at this point. And We The People will be destroyed, as targets and as collateral damages.

Think you are correct; wondering how the truth is going to set us free in this case. Free from the earth; free to die; free to suffer. Maybe Buddhas was right; to be born is to suffer. Instead of making a difference, the U.S. is contributing to the suffering of the world.
 
 
+25 # WestWinds 2014-06-18 06:29
Quoting PCPrincess:
Thank you Mr. Kucinich. Unfortunately, I just don't have faith whatsoever in our current legislative branch to make truth a priority. Save for a few ethical individuals such as Sanders, Wyden, Grayson, & Warren, most current elected officials are concerned only with preserving their job and bringing in contributions. Our current system is corrupt to the core and I'm not even sure it can be repaired.


--- It can be repaired, all right. In fact the system needs a personnel overhaul. But this can only happen when people stop tolerating the insanity.
 
 
+12 # ritawalpoleague 2014-06-18 06:57
And, thank you also, PCPrincess. Yes, indeed, how dreadful this 'politican puppet clown' mess is. And, yes, reward the few ethical, true people v. villainaire serving pols. we must. My reward to Sen. Bernie Sanders, while urging him to run and end the corrupt pol. dreams of Hillary (Hill the Shill) is the truth based logo:

SANDERS PANDERS NOT, TO THE 1%
 
 
+9 # Cdesignpdx 2014-06-19 00:31
Please add Oregon senator Jeff Merkley to your list. He and Ron Wyden are doing a great job representing Oregon priorities–prio rities that are globally beneficial.
We need more representatives who stand up for the future on an shared and endangered planet.
 
 
+14 # dyannne 2014-06-19 22:36
Don't forget Congresswoman Barbara Lee, the ONLY representative in the House, who voted against the war.
 
 
+5 # dquandle 2014-06-20 20:38
I equally have absolutely no faith in our executive or "judicial" branches. The thoroughly despicable Obama recently tried, appallingly, to defend the US actions in the atrocity that was the invasion of Iraq:

From Huffington post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/obama-iraq_n_5036771.html

"We did not claim or annex Iraq's territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain," Obama argued. In fact, the U.S. forced Iraq to privatize its oil industry, which had previously been under the control of the state, and further required that it accept foreign ownership of the industry. The effort to transfer the resources to the control of multinational, largely U.S.-based oil companies has been hampered in part by the decade of violence unleashed by the invasion.
 
 
0 # Joe Bob 2014-06-22 12:44
This article makes me think of Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars that tell them"
 
 
+94 # RMDC 2014-06-17 10:52
The criminal invasion of Iraq is over. The past can't be changed and there is no justice system in the US capable of bringing war crimes charges against anyone in the Bush regime. They got away with one of the great crimes of human history.

But it is not too late to tell the truth about what is happening now. If only Obama would do it. The truth is most likely something along the lines that the CIA with partners in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel have created a mercenary army out of remnants of al Qaeda and new extremist fighters who have been given the mission of destroying the remaining progressive Muslim states -- Libya, Syria, and last vestiges of Iraq.

All of this is in prep for an invasion of Iran. The lies about Iran's nuclear program have failed. No one in the world (other than US media) believes anything the US regime says. So the CIA is taking the direct approach -- creating a mercenary army to sweep through the middle east and destroy the nations that don't submit to US, Saudi, and Israeli domination.

Obama is responsible for allowing the CIA to create this mercenary army. He has the power to stop it. but he lacks the moral courage.
 
 
-26 # indian weaver 2014-06-17 12:15
Obama lacks moral courage? Obama lacks courage, period. That is why he has a big mouth full of hot air, and why he constantly lies.
 
 
+30 # jcdav 2014-06-17 20:11
Unfortunately, You are correct..I worked to get this man elected- the first time, by the second run I could not back him ( i did vote for him as the lesser of two evils) this time unless there is a progressive candidate I may, for the first time ever, not vote. BO is an intellect and a mouth and that is about all, he has zero leadership and has sold out his alledged principles. What a bitter disappointment.
 
 
+2 # dquandle 2014-06-20 20:45
Hes not an intellect. Don't call an architect of mass murder and intellect. His "intellect" nearly marched us into a hellish war in Syria. He's a mouthpiece for an agenda of murder and empire for plutocratic profit.
 
 
+9 # NAVYVET 2014-06-18 06:29
Obama constantly shilly-shallies and often lies. But we all could be concerned for two innocents, his children, and I suspect that more than once after his handlers had read his draft of a speech and saw something to offend the Oligarchs, someone came out of the dark and said, "If you say this publicly, can you be absolutely sure. . . ?" From now on, let's support pols at least 60 years old--like Sanders, Warren and Kucinich. Alan Grayson will be 60 in 4 years but some of his kids are still in school--so wait. The miltary kept gays out because of the possibility of blackmail. As long as nuts are swaggering around with loaded pistols and semiautomatics, as long as the CIA/NSC rule, we should deny the presidency to anyone with schoolkids. It's elder time.
 
 
+1 # WestWinds 2014-06-18 06:37
Quoting indian weaver:
Obama lacks moral courage? Obama lacks courage, period. That is why he has a big mouth full of hot air, and why he constantly lies.


--- I agree. BHO is a terrible liar.
 
 
+6 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-06-19 16:09
How about recognition for The Affordable Care Act? Not perfect. Republicans have tried to gut this Act many times. By the the simple fact that we now have a much,much better heath care system, we can now say with integrity, "the U.S. no longer believes in mass murder of its citizens." That is what we had with the Republicans at the wheel and a few Democrats. What other country in the world spends more in its military budget than the next 16 countries combined and let their citizens die due to inadequate doctor and hospitalization when needed. I have a wife in China. She is a retired school teacher. We are working on her Visa. She can buy a health care plan from her government for a single payment of approximately $2,000. How long will she be covered? for life.
 
 
+21 # ptalady 2014-06-17 13:28
In theory Obama has the power to stop the CIA, but in fact...I have my doubts. Is it really true that the CIA bows to the will of the president? I imagine they have some very convincing approaches to keep him from calling the question. A recent thought I had was that election fraud, either by him or I think more likely by others acting to get him elected, may have something to do with it.
 
 
+58 # theshift 33 2014-06-17 15:05
I think President Obama is scared $#i^less of the CIA although he does have
HR1540 to protect himself, sort of. It's probably one of the reasons he put it in place. Our most sensitve and important agences are compromised from the inside out. The abuses are so systemic and pervasive it would take years to reverse it. The Office of the
President of the U.S. does not have the
power it once did (if it ever did).
In the big global picture this position
has become a mid-level management slot,
with PR skills, all the while the progenators and orchestrators behind the scenes carry on, planning, and controlling from inside the tent.
 
 
+66 # Nel 2014-06-17 15:45
Obama is well aware of the "John F. Kennedy factor".
 
 
-19 # Darwin26 2014-06-17 20:55
Obama-Crypto-fa scist IS a part of the CIA ~ he and his entire family all worked for the CIA ~ see at least the reviews on the recent book by Andrew Kreig "Presidential Puppetry" ~ in there you will find the source and proof.
 
 
+2 # dquandle 2014-06-20 20:49
He's certainly a fascist. Not so much crypto, and has happily worked hand in glove with the CIA/NSA since he entered into office, supporting and defending them and each atrocity committed. As to working for the CIA, this is neither obvious , nor necessary, to make extraordinarily pointed arguments against the man and his despicably criminal regime.
 
 
+36 # Jim Rocket 2014-06-17 13:42
It's chilling to realize that you're probably correct.
 
 
+46 # Caliban 2014-06-17 14:21
There is one true and logical statement in "RMDC"'s comment, and it is important: "The past can't be changed and there is no justice system in the US capable of bringing war crimes charges against anyone in the Bush regime." All the criticism of Obama because he can't do the impossible are wasted print.

And it is probably "not too late to tell the truth about what is happening now". However, the fantasy "truth" RMDC offers--and others like it floating around the internet--will not help. They will, in fact, keep us from recognizing the truth even when it is presented to us.

Is the truth about the current fighting in Iraq being presented now? Probably Yes. ISIS, the army of extremist Sunnis currently kicking the al-Maliki army's butt is NOT something created by the CIA and Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Israel. Not only is such an alliance absurd on its face, it is unnecessary to explain the three way civil war between Kurds, Sunnis, & Shiites. Bush's all-Shia al-Maliki malfeasance was built to collapse, ISIS or not.

What should the US do now? 1. Ignore the Bushite Neo-Cons, especially jealous losers McCain & Romney 2. Learn to work WITH the Iranians on this & other matters. 3. Give Kurds and Moderate Sunnis enough authority in the government to make it truly representative & 4. Suppress ISIS. Can Obama achieve such goals? I don't know. But he can try, and that would send a positive message of moderation and true reform.
 
 
+29 # Pikewich 2014-06-17 15:48
That the funding for ISIS is coming from the Saudi's is very likely. Apparently they have liberated $429 million for a banking system, and got a lot of their funding through extortion. They are the wealthiest terror organization on the planet. I bet there will be proof in the short term they were funded by

"A report from the Council on Foreign Relations says that many believe supporters in Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia provide “the bulk of past funding.”" - according to the International Business Times

It is also likely the cause of this quick take over of northern Iraq is the failure of Al Malaki's government to include the Sunni's.

If that is the case, that is where the solution lies, not in more killing.
 
 
+12 # Caliban 2014-06-17 22:54
ISIS appears to be a militant Sunni religious group, and most of its funding undoubtedly comes from well-heeled Sunni backers across the region--includi ng some Saudi Arabians. This does not mean "the Saudi's" (which to me implies the Saudi government) are doing the funding. Plus ISIS does seem quite adept at classic organized crime activities such extortion and bank-robbery.

However, Pikewich is certainly correct that al-Maliki's refusal to allow Sunnis a significant place in the national government is a big cause of the current problem. Sadly, he was encouraged and aided in this by the Bush administration when the post-Saddam Iraqi government was formed.

Nor do they appear to intend to change this exclusionary policy--hence the mass recruitment of Shiite youth into large but ill-trained militias. Indeed. it is now hard to see how a full civil war--perhaps lasting decades--can be avoided, to the great harm of millions of ordinary, non-militant citizens of the region.
 
 
+3 # dquandle 2014-06-20 20:54
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain... heinous dictatorships all, responsible for countless atrocities against their own people , and maximum supporters of terrorism. Best buddies with the Clinton/Bush/Ch eney/Obama regime from the get-go
 
 
+3 # Darwin26 2014-06-17 21:00
Obama-Crypto-fa scist will never call out the War Criminals of 9/11 and Yes the ISIS was originally armed by the Isreali's and the CIA ~ and just like the Taliban in Afghan it is coming back ~ what part of this pattern don't you get? and you can ck Libya out and other US State Dept / Statagon actions for that insidious pattern.
 
 
+3 # dquandle 2014-06-20 20:55
Yup. More blowback from an absolutely failed "foreign policy" fro decades.
 
 
+25 # harleysch 2014-06-17 14:52
"Obama is responsible for allowing the CIA to create this mercenary army. He has the power to stop it but he lacks the moral courage."

It is worse than that. Obama's closest adviser on counter-terrori sm is Brennan, his drone buddy. Brennan is extremely close to the Saudis, who have been the funders of jihadists since the creation of the Afghan "freedom fighters" -- i.e., Al Qaeda and Taliban -- during the fight to throw the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Have people forgotten Obama's recent pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia?

Dennis knows well that Obama won't do what he has suggested, as Obama has engaged in an unconstitutiona l war in Libya, and continues to aid the anti-Assad thugs in Syria -- which is where the ISIS has gotten its training.

As to lies leading to war, look at the administration' s definitive statements on Assad's use of chemical weapons -- which has now been discredited; and the administration' s lies about its role in the coup which overthrew the democratically- elected Yanukovic regime, and subsequent efforts to demonize Putin.

The great tragedy is that those who were right and, at times courageous, in exposing the Blair/Bush/Chen ey lies, which led to the destruction of Iraq, must stand up and attack the present gang of liars in the White House. Both parties are led by corrupt liars, whose lies have led to great loss of lives.

These liars must be punished.
 
 
+35 # Working Class 2014-06-17 17:10
[quote name="RMDC"]The criminal invasion of Iraq is over. The past can't be changed and there is no justice system in the US capable of bringing war crimes charges against anyone in the Bush regime. They got away with one of the great crimes of human history.

US Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson – Nuremberg Trial Opening Statement: " The common sense of mankind demands that law shall not stop with the punishment of petty crimes by little people. It must also reach men who possess themselves of great power and make deliberate and concerted use of it to set in motion evils which leave no home in the world untouched...The very minimum legal consequence of the treaties making aggressive wars illegal is to strip those who incite or wage them of every defense the law ever gave, and to leave war-makers subject to judgment by the usually accepted principles of the law of crimes...And I further suggest that it is the general view that no political military, economic, or other considerations shall serve as an excuse or justification for such actions; but exercise of the right of legitimate self-defense, that is to say, resistance to an act of aggression, or action to assist a state which has been subjected to aggression, shall not constitute a war of aggression." If the same standards of law were applied today the majority of the Bush Neo-Con war machine would be in the docket at Nuremberg.
 
 
+6 # ikhadduri 2014-06-18 06:37
[quote name="RMDC"]The criminal invasion of Iraq is over. The past can't be changed and there is no justice system in the US capable of bringing war crimes charges against anyone in the Bush regime. They got away with one of the great crimes of human history. "

Why was 9/11 "justice" meted on Iraqis and Afghanis? Why was Auschwitz not forgotten? You are right. Therei is NO JUSTICE SYSTEM in the US to prosecute and hold accountable AMERICAN war criminals. Are you promoting DEMOCRACY throught the world?
 
 
+2 # dquandle 2014-06-20 20:40
Its not over. The horrific repercussions continue to be felt, and Obama and his neocon/neolib cabal are itching to start up the US involvement again.
 
 
+90 # Billy Bob 2014-06-17 11:45
This is one of the best things Kucinich has written.

This can't be so much, up to Dennis Kucinich, to be the only one telling the truth. Other politicians and pundits won't. So, it's important that all of us be as vocal as possible about the truth now.
 
 
+89 # dsepeczi 2014-06-17 12:06
Thank you, Dennis Kucinich. You were always one of the rare congressional representatives I respect. The reason Obama won't tell the truth about Iraq is that our horrid foreign policy is still active all around the world. We're not getting the truth about our involvement in destabilizing Ukraine to provoke Russia. We're not getting the truth about our involvement in Syria or our reasons for being involved at all. We're still being lied to about Fukishima and the TPP agreements. Need I mention the lies surrounding the NSA ? I could write forever about all the lies our government is spreading to us through a thoroughly owned and operated corporate media but most readers here know the score ... Iraq is just one of thousands of lies our government still continues to tell us. We, like you, are working to inform anyone who will listen about all of the things that our corrupt government is responsible for. May we all succeed some day in getting the truth out for all to hear so that we can work together to bring the USA closer to the country that I was born and raised in and not the entirely corrupt entity that the world, through a recent Gallup poll, has correctly identified as the biggest threat to world peace.
 
 
+20 # indian weaver 2014-06-17 12:44
I consider, and wonder how, to form a worldwide organization to plan the international celebration of dumdum dubya's death (and may be expanded to include dick the prick cheney, and Obama too, at this point). I want it to be publicized worldwide, constantly, non-stop even while dumdum is on his sick bed, dying and dies. If he can't be hanged in public at The Hague's War Crimes Tribunal for his Crimes Against Humanity, the least humanity can do it celebrate the day of dumdum's death that we all anticipate with glee, because the public humiliation of dumdum and his family and friends is our only good option, until he dies a "natural death" (does evil really ever die?). Celebrating the good in the world is a no-brainer when it is the death of evil incarnate.
 
 
-2 # scumbag 2014-06-19 08:06
WOW!!!What a damn great idea.Should we do it in the glorious WOODSTOCK-style ,planetwide? Concerning Super-B.Ob.,the drone-master:If I was politically incorrect,I could ask the fellow murkin' voters the following question:How drugged(by whatever sort of stuff)can you get to believe,a black foreskin would change the f.....g system??? Okay,I'm just kiddin'.Coz any smart pilgrim bloody well knows,mutilated Muslims do NOT sport hoodies.To the major extent,I put the blame on your national disease called delirious optimism,that comes with the notorious "American-Dream ";therefore somehow occupational.Me ssin' accomplished??? F.....g funny,we ain't seen nuthin' yet.But it's allright.If you don't think about it.We're mostly trapped in faint.And Homo Erectus'PROGRES S turned him into the one and only true World Champion of denial.Our pathetical end is probably closer than we all dare to hope.To interrupt our daily exercise in that Krautland-Popul ar-Sport called "Ugly Yankee Bashing",I boldly repeat the quote I borrowed from a recent reader comment:"Drone yourself and frack the rest"!!!What else do I have to say? Take care and don't worry,die happy!
 
 
+72 # universlman 2014-06-17 13:21
The members of Congress willing to speak out at all on important matters is a small club. Kucinich, Sanders, Franken, Warren - I know there are others, but why is courage so hard to find in our leadership?
 
 
+62 # Gooshlem 2014-06-17 13:29
For the same reason Kucinich is no longer there!
 
 
+47 # bmiluski 2014-06-17 14:23
universlman... you are so right. However, the more of US that speak out the more it will get out from under that rock and into the sunshine. The bush/cheney administration lied, lied, and then profited.
 
 
+1 # Jingze 2014-06-18 13:35
Money.
 
 
+14 # MidwesTom 2014-06-17 13:43
When Saddam started selling oil for EUROs, which was a BIG No No. If the PetroDollar were to be replaced by the PetroEuro, we would be forced to operate with a balanced budget; think 40% cut in Federal Government spending.
 
 
+40 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-17 14:48
Tom, Yes!, To complete your sentence, "When Saddam started selling oil for EUROs, USA began our invasion within weeks." When Muammar Gaddafi started selling oil in the African Dinar, westerners began our invasion within weeks. When Russia-China began selling oil in a Euro-Asian currency, the US destabilization of Ukraine was immediately ramped up to massacres & false-flag events such as elements within Maidan 'protesters' firing on their own people in the street from a building which they completely controlled.

Petro-Currency denomination is the real issue here. As long as USA, Canada, NATO & Israel have the Petro-Dollar power to 'PRINT-MONEY', then economic deficiencies or debit side never reveals itself. 40% of our export economy is based on war. Westerners are not contributing to the world & its productive biosphere but allowed to constantly degrade it with extractive 'exogenous' (Latin 'other-generate d') theft of resources from the 3rd world & everywhere.

Its essential that; we stop fixating on puppets like George W or Barack O as determining or controlling policy. There are far bigger 'trillionaire' (# of seconds in 32,000 years) figures behind the Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Legislative -Complex. Its not a matter of protesting or competing in fixed elections. It's a matter as 1st Nations advise us & Gandhi/India correctly identify of recapturing our essential economy & stop feeding them. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/2-mutual-aid
 
 
+12 # MidwesTom 2014-06-17 16:23
Jack, I agree with you. The only problem is that most civilian things we buy are made, and now even, designed somewhere else where labor is less expensive. The one plus for war items is that they are relatively unique---you cannot buy a Tow missile from Vietnam (at least not yet). Consequently, to keep people employed at decent wages the war industry is it. It is either that or drastically cut our wages to be able to compete on the ward stage making cell phones, shirts, and toys. Thirty to forty years of debt buildup may be coming home to roost sooner than most think.
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-17 17:57
250 "years of debt buildup". What is missing totally from the western economy is recognition & channelling of individual & collective-inte lligence. With monetary-capita l, 3rd generation inheritors are making self-destructiv e business decisions top-down so the contributions, experience, expertise & decision-making acumen from the bottom up go unnoticed & untapped. Today's so-called capitalism is synonymous with 'a-chicken-running-around-with-its-head-cut-off'.

Strange because 'capital' (Latin 'cap' = 'head' = 'wisdom') in its 'indigenous' (L 'self-generatin g') origin, is supposed to be a method of enabling Founder, Worker, Supplier & Consumer stakeholders to invest their expertise, resources, labour, goods, services & patronage & in the process generate collective wisdom.

Its past time to follow Mohandas Gandhi & India's 'Swadeshi' (Hindi 'self-sufficien cy'). In 1919 upon Gandhi's return from S. Africa to India activists began organizing to support Indian businesses & individuals to begin producing essential goods & services. This procott / mutual-aid provided a significant portion of nation needs. A subsequent Boycott with only a portion of the population fully participating brought the inefficient British empire corporations many bankruptcies & India independance in 1949, after 30 years. This become the change you want to see in the world movement did not rely upon 'protest' but upon manifestation. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/2-satyagraha
 
 
+3 # dsepeczi 2014-06-19 07:55
Quoting MidwesTom:
Jack, I agree with you. The only problem is that most civilian things we buy are made, and now even, designed somewhere else where labor is less expensive. The one plus for war items is that they are relatively unique---you cannot buy a Tow missile from Vietnam (at least not yet). Consequently, to keep people employed at decent wages the war industry is it. It is either that or drastically cut our wages to be able to compete on the ward stage making cell phones, shirts, and toys. Thirty to forty years of debt buildup may be coming home to roost sooner than most think.


Killing others as a means to prop up our local economy is a really bad way to view the world, Tom. Here's a different thought. Instead of cutting our wages, raise them. When the middle class has been restored, they will buy more. When they buy more, they will force businesses to create more jobs to handle the load. Yes, this might encourage multinational corporations to pack up and leave for another country but I have an answer for that too. Introduce an expatriate tax ... a sort of punitive import tax for companies that leave the country to avoid new wages. That way, we don't discourage true foreign investment, which our economy needs, but we discourage corporations from leaving. Because once our middle class has been restored by higher wages, Americans will buy just about any piece of shit you put out there. If corporations don't want a piece of that spending, they're nuts
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-19 21:25
Midwest Tom, dsepeczi In order to achieve fair wage packages, companies can provide avenues for all Founder, Worker, Supplier & Consumer stakeholders to invest. Without working capital every company can provide 'share-compensa tion' in addition to salary, social-security etc to employees & other stakeholders based on competitive wages & evaluations for other contributions of expertise, resources, labour, goods, services & patronage.

With stakeholders motivated & properly compensated for their contributions in shares etc. as well as their decision-making knowledge, then such participatory companies outperform all others in efficiencies, innovation, design, profitability & environmentally . Each stakeholder group is organized into an association with representatives to the Company Board of Directors. Ownership is progressive over the course of a lifetime. Humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') peoples all were based in Economic Democracy with Political Democracy as a subset. Peace is as well a direct benefit of multistakeholde r investment because stakeholders care more about their neighbours, environment, energy conservation & foreign countries than our present spoiled stock-market managers & 3rd generation trillionaire oligarchs & their bevy of billionaires. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/8-economic-democracy
 
 
+33 # ptalady 2014-06-17 13:47
Very nice work! One question jumped out at me immediately, which is: well, what were the reasons that the liars wanted the war in Iraq? That would be telling the truth about the war, beyond just saying it was based on lies, which is well established. But the reason for wanting the war is murkier, in my mind.

I remember hearing on NPR many years ago, like in the 80s, about shale oil in Canada, and how it could provide independent energy for North America for another century, except for the sad fact that it would be too expensive to refine it for the market, so we were stuck relying on imported oil. In other words, the selling price did not exceed the production price. In other words, if only the price of oil could skyrocket, all that oil could be produced and profited by. That was when gas was about a dollar a gallon. So I noticed that one of the effects of the war(s) in Iraq was that the price of oil skyrocketed. And now we have the pipeline (proposed) to bring that very same shale oil for refinement down south. Many have stated that the reason for the war was to "get" Iraqi oil for cheap. However, the war very predictably interrupted production, which very predictably raised (not lowered) the cost of said Iraqi oil. So I wonder whether the real reason for the war was to get just the result we got: skyrocketing middle east oil prices, which have made it economical to bring that shale oil in Canada to market.
 
 
+15 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-17 15:29
ptalady, Yes war is a major cost to our energy balance. However, what you are calling "oil" is thick 'tar' deeply impregnated with sand almost as solid as earth. Cost of transforming Tar-sands to oil is prohibitive except in economy which can write-off the costs through massive accounting 'externalities' (unaccounted factors) in environmental (water, soil, air, biosphere & human health) degradation. Colonial humans are at a point in our extractive exploitive relations with each other & the earth, when the wall we are hitting is visible. When was the last time you went down to your river & drank & swam directly?
INNUMERACY (the inability to calculate)
We've a situation of innumeracy, where enough people in our system are institutionally indoctrinated or 'dumbed-down' so as not being able to do the essential math of the equation. Factors include:
- a completely controlled press, which doesn't allow info contrary to its Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Legislative -Complex mission.
- hierarchies in every business & institution, which don't allow for honest formal debate or feedback of any sort by stakeholder workers, suppliers or consumers.
- 'education' (Latin 'to lead forth from within') contrary to Socrates' original conception in the garden of Academus, allows for no debate on relevant issues to student, teacher or community.
The built environment has huge untapped complementary energy.
https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/9-complementary-energy
 
 
+15 # moonrigger 2014-06-17 16:56
Thanks for the link. Canadian organizations like this and the Etcgroup have done a lot to educate and reverse some of the damage. Re this article, I've always felt that Mr. Kucinich was the only candidate that walked his talk, which is why he had my vote. Others were claiming to be against the war in Iraq, but he alone had the balls to campaign on it. We'd be lucky to have a president like Dennis Kucinich.
 
 
+2 # ptalady 2014-06-19 11:53
i agree with the problems you highlight. however, i am thinking you may have misunderstood my point. i was not talking about the cost of war; i was talking about using war to shift the market so that resources owned by American interests can turn a profit. Not that I think they should own it, of course, or be allowed to externalize all the societal/enviro nmental costs that are brought about by the production. But they are allowed to do so and I am just proposing that all of that contributes to effective use of war to shift the market so they can sell stuff for a profit. And maybe that is the real reason they started the war in Iraq (again).

Using war to create or control markets is not a new strategy as far as i know. Thinking of the textile issues during the US civil war, and I guess when you think about it, market forces were a large part of the momentum for the revolutionary war too, for instance.
 
 
+9 # Nel 2014-06-17 15:52
The "reason" was to de-stabilize Iraq, same for other countries in the area.Thus the intervention has been a great success.
 
 
+2 # ptalady 2014-06-18 23:23
OK, but why would the powers that be want to destabilize Iraq and other countries in the area? I am suggesting that it might be in order to profitably produce and sell north american petroleum--oil sand, shale oil, coal oil, tar sands, black gold, whatever it is called, that burnable stuff in Canada that they want to send down the pipeline for refinement.
 
 
+26 # Pikewich 2014-06-17 15:58
Very possible. One problem. The tar sands "oil" is really more like liquified coal, and it is destined for the open market to the highest bidders, like China.

It has been a disingenuous statement that the Canadian tar sands oil would benefit the US. It only benefits the investors.

That does not address the environmental impact of the refining process, which is far more destructive than refining crude.
 
 
+2 # ptalady 2014-06-19 12:05
"Only benefits the investors" -- for sure. That is all I was saying -- that to turn that liquified coal into money, the price they could sell it at had to go waaaay up. How to get it to go waaay up? how about interrupting the other guys' supply. That oughtta drive up demand. Sure 'nuff. Now we can sell that liquified coal or whatever and make beaucoup bux -- "just business." Nothing new at all about getting folks to think of one's product as "helpful" or "necessary" for what US folks (say they) want most: independence. Doesn't matter that it was a lie; that the "people" believed it and voted to act in ways (i.e. going to war) that caused the price to go waaay up, that is the salient piece for profiteers.
 
 
-55 # jojo5056 2014-06-17 13:51
However, President Obama did start the Libya invasion.Just proves Obama is another warmonger of many USA Presidents.
If Obama was President in 2001, he'd have orchestrated the Sept 11 2001 bombings and used the event to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. 911 planning was a long time operation during Chilton's term.No way G.W. being in office 9 months could have set up the whole operation and media cover.
Both parties are to blame. They take orders from Israel--Saddam, Gadaffy, Saddam must go.
I like to remind folks--in 1937 Germany had every right to attack Poland.Because of this conflict, In 1938 France and England declared war and fire bombed German cities.On the sidelines USA was Germany's alley. But USA can invaded countless countries and kill millions and no country has declared war on USA.Sad :^(
 
 
+13 # bmiluski 2014-06-17 14:20
jojo..........P lease give me the reason that Germany had the right to invade Poland in 1939. I'm betting you won't because you're too much of a coward to admit that you're being spoon fed this misinformation.
 
 
+19 # irvingwood 2014-06-17 15:08
Germany had no right to attack Poland. It was yet another false flag operation where the Germans planted it's own troops at the border to first simulate then react to a 'attack' by Polish troops. Germany did all the shooting.
 
 
+19 # Pikewich 2014-06-17 16:06
Disregarding the WWII Germany thing which others have addressed, you are correct that: "No way G.W. being in office 9 months could have set up the whole operation and media cover."

That was taken care of during the Clinton years though PNAC (The Project For A New American Century) with the usual suspects who were recycled back into government When little george was appointed king.

BTW, Big brother Marvin Bush was in charge of security at the WTC buildings for many years leading up to the "attacks" of 911.
 
 
+30 # Rollie 2014-06-17 14:01
What a stunning display of ignorance combined with high ideals.
This is the same quality of thinking that underlaid the decision to invade Iraq and is now by the Sunni insurgents in Iraq. It is called 'Dogma'. Bush was about as ignorant as is indian weaver.
Calling others by hate filled names is a Republican weakness.
Don't mimic it.
 
 
+6 # EternalTruth 2014-06-17 16:35
Is this a response to the article or to one of Indian Weaver's comments? Either way, if you are claiming that someone is ignorant, your comment is useless unless you can explain how they are ignorant and give us the facts which they are supposedly lacking.
 
 
+14 # Radscal 2014-06-17 14:06
North Dakota Treasurer, Kelly Schmidt introduced General Petraeus to the ND National Guard by specifically stating that the war was for the oil.

Here's a comedian showing the relevant sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNnaS9qKcVk

Here's the entire 1 hour presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l3k1YT-uc0
 
 
+5 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-17 21:36
Radscal, I'm watching these "comedians". They truly are 'intellectual-c owards' unable to engage their perceived opponents in fair open public dialogues. How sickening to hear state terrorists celebrate their violence! The psychology of individuals & nations taking up weapons & assuming guilt against a people based on false propaganda indoctrinated by the Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Complex can only be understood in the context of 250 years of colonial intellectual-co wardice & brutality. When are we going to have some honest brave engagement of perceived enemies in 'debate' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight')? There is no human situation in which both-sided, equal-time, recorded & published debates widely circulated can not better address the human issues before us as a people, a biosphere & as a planet. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
 
 
+2 # Radscal 2014-06-17 22:37
Hi Douglas. I don't understand. Are you calling Lee Camp a coward or are you referring to the political and/or media establishment?
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-18 08:29
Radscal, Following the e-links you gave (same recording), listened to State Secretary Kelly Schmidt introduce General David Petraeus & Gen. David Sprynczynatyk. I'm listening to them at 45 minutes now with audience questions. Where does Lee Camp come on?

These puppets & whole military start with the assumption that; the government which they are working for has some kind of legitimacy to command them to kill & now in perpetual war. They believe the Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Legislative -Complex propaganda. They believe that our invasion of the America's is god-given, benefitted the "savages" or some such nonsense as well as every one of 100s of invasions since.

I come from a family debate background since my grandfather as well as extensive communications work since. As a child, whenever there was a fight my father or mother would intervene to ask each child of the conflict, "What happened from your point-of-view?" or "Lets hear from both-sides." As well our family would sit down for formal equal-time debates around the dining room table.

Since then I have come to expect that both-sides have merit & should be heard. Mohandas Gandhi used a method called 'Satyagraha' (Hindi = 'truth-search') sitting all parties (including the violent British who had committed massacres) down together & asking, "What are your best intentions & how can we help you fulfill these?" https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/2-satyagraha
All violence is unnecessary.
 
 
+1 # Radscal 2014-06-18 13:50
Lee Camp is the professional comedian in the first video link I posted. He was the one who brought to my attention Schmidt's acknowledgment that the Iraq war was for the oil, which led me to search for the full video in the second link.

When you commented about "comedians" I wondered if you were referring to him, as he's the only professional comedian in either link. Our views on the immorality of this perpetual war are in agreement.

I would concur that all aggressive violence is unnecessary and wrong, but I do believe that self-defense is necessary and right.
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-18 20:36
Thanks for the distinction, When I opened the 1st video it went a few minutes seemingly like the 2nd which I've watched in full now.

We're AGREED on self-defence. In the course of everyday human relations we have an obligation to 1st meet with what Socrates calls Dialectic-Right s or be open to meeting. At any point all of us including our governments should be willing to meet in debate over any issue & especially issues of violence & war. 'Debate' must include equal-time, recording & widely distributed publishing. At that point with all cards on the table then self-defence or even war is possible but unlikely. The court of worldwide & national 'public-opinion ' is stronger than violence or war.

We unfortunately have a situation of massive parts of our war indoctrinated population like: Barack Obama, most politicians, North Dakota state treasurer Kelly Schmidt, Generals Petraeus & Sprynczynatyk & millions of soldiers who are 'intellectual-c owards' unable to meet their perceived opponents in dialogue.

Dennis Kucinich & Ron Paul are welcome exceptions to this rule. Kucinich takes it further by being willing to live his values & solidarity with all people in his everyday lifestyle such as his vegan diet. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/design/responsable-health
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-19 11:03
I did finally get to the right link & thoroughly enjoyed Lee Camp comedic treatment of this intolerably paradox, "war for oil" described unashamedly by N. Dakota State Secretary Kelly Schmidt.
 
 
0 # ptalady 2014-06-19 12:29
What a great clip! I looked at the comedian version at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNnaS9qKcVk .

I have pondered that. Probably military folk are not interested in going out to kill and be killed in order for "corporate" to make a zillion bucks while they themselves are getting their heads and their friends' heads blown off and they are away from their suffering families; they are interested in going out to kill and be killed in order to preserve the folks back at home in their current way of life. So I can imagine a general admitting that he would go to war to secure oil -- and being told and believing that that was the reason for the war ("shh it's a secret"). But I cannot imagine many soldiers at any level going to war believing the purpose is for "corporate" to make a few (or a zillion) bux, while spending the whole time in their tassled shoes in climate-control led comfort! The fact that the tar sands oil will not particularly serve North America, but will be sold on the open market like all the rest of the world's oil, proves it was a lie, which, in my view, proves my point all the more: The purpose of the war was not to *get more oil for America;* it was to get more North American oil to market, sold by American interests at a huge profit. Doesn't matter to the profiteers that it was a lie. Lie to the generals, lie to the ground soldiers, lie to congress whatever: make the money, that is where it's at in the profiteer's mind. This was also NAFTA's purpose.
 
 
+22 # angelfish 2014-06-17 14:15
The SAME bunch of Snake Oil salesmen are hard at work burnishing their lies about their rush to ILLEGAL War and trying to place ALL the blame for it on THIS President! If Americans don't WAKE up and Vote ALL the miscreants OUT in November and 2016, NOTHING will EVER remove the stink of mendacity and evil from this Country!
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2014-06-17 16:36
It is ignorant partisanship to blame Obama for Iraq War II, or even for "ending the war" in a way that left the door open for the current situation. After all, he was following the same time line for troop withdrawal that Bush II signed. Yes, he tried to get Iraq to let him keep the troops in, but only if he could extend the deal where our troops (and especially our contractors) could not be charged with crimes by Iraq, but Bush II was trying to do that, too.

Of course, it is also partisanship to defend Obama for the war crimes under his watch in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Ukraine, etc.
 
 
+38 # janie1893 2014-06-17 14:23
There is still time to call Cheney, Bush and cohorts to account for this global disaster--crime s against the earth.
 
 
+36 # bingers 2014-06-17 14:28
Quoting janie1893:
There is still time to call Cheney, Bush and cohorts to account for this global disaster--crimes against the earth.


There is no statute of limitations on war crimes. Why do you think the Bush family bought a huge ranch in Paraguay?
 
 
+23 # AMLLLLL 2014-06-17 14:48
Uhh, I thought it was so they could be next door neighbors with Dick Cheney... #NoExtradition
 
 
+7 # Group_Capt_Lionel_Mandrake 2014-06-18 00:09
They bought the ranch in Paraguay to top off their purchase of the water underneath it-- in the largest aquifer on earth. The Bush family wanted to buy the water rights. But then the Paraguayans voted in a government antagonistic to the neo-liberals and wouldn't let the deal go through.
 
 
+1 # Henry 2014-06-19 12:51
So they don't own the land OR the water rights?
 
 
+24 # giraffee2012 2014-06-17 15:04
Until we get the $ out of politics, we'll continue to be MORE corrupt - it's like a cancer that just keeps spreading until it kills the body.

#1 - Find a way to overturn Citizens United which allowed the complete control of government by big $.

There is no #2.

RATS: Resign or ask somebody to remove u from the Supreme Court - physically or otherwise
 
 
+13 # Radscal 2014-06-17 16:39
I'm signed on with the campaigns to overturn Citizens United, but frankly have little hope that it will be meaningfully overturned.

Almost every member of Congress got into office by taking bribes, so getting them to vote to end the bribery is unlikely.

If we could agree to only vote for candidates who promise to end all the forms of bribery, then we might get it done.
 
 
+22 # unitedwestand 2014-06-17 15:09
I doubt that our elected officials can be as affective in stopping further involvement in Iraq than WE THE PEOPLE will be. That is why I write the President, sign every petition, post on blogs to say: STAY THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ, AGAIN!!

There is no amount of time or war machinery that will help that country at this point, they will have to figure their own way out of this.
 
 
+10 # Pikewich 2014-06-17 16:14
Alexander Haig said something like "Let them march all they want, as long as they continue to pay their taxes."

Signing petitions and calling you government officials will do nothing. They are sold out.
 
 
+2 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-18 08:44
Unitedwestand, Yes "Stay the hell out . . ." but WAR REPARATIONs in the trillions of dollars must be paid by the USA just in Iraq as well as in many (over 80) dozens of other nations worldwide including even more in the sovereign 1st Nations of the area (all) illegally controlled by the USA. www.indigenecommunity.info
 
 
+9 # mgwmgw 2014-06-17 15:11
Bush and friends were convicted of war crimes in Malaysia: http://www.globalresearch.ca/bush-adminstration-convicted-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity/5336860

This accomplishment was at best symbolic, as was the accusation of Obama and friends of similar crimes: http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-biden-are-war-criminals-under-un-charter-analyst/5316112

I have no way to verify the accuracy of the information or the applicability of the charges, but even assuming that all is valid there, calling for such people to be held accountable seems unlikely to amount to anything.
 
 
+24 # dbrize 2014-06-17 15:14
Well said Dennis Kucinich!

You must know that if you keep this up you will be dismissed as a crackpot, nutcase or the ultimate putdown...a conspiracy theorist.

You will not be featured on the nightly news. You are unlikely to be invited to any beltway/media/t alk shows.

There is zero desire by anyone in Congress or elsewhere in government to touch any of this. For good reason.

As you well know, anything but a carefully controlled, narrow version of "truth telling" will lead to discovery of a web of deception, malfeasance and crimes including and beyond Bush/Cheney. There will be bipartisan heads to roll if the "truth" ever comes out. Past and present.

Which is why it never will.
 
 
+16 # Radscal 2014-06-17 16:46
Kucinich was already delegitimatized by the Democratic Party (even calling him a "conspiracy theorist") in the 2004, and especially in his 2008 Presidential Campaigns.

During the debates, he was largely ignored, and openly mocked by both the debate moderators, and the more acceptable DNC candidates.
 
 
+4 # dbrize 2014-06-17 17:01
As was his friend and counterpart on the the other side.
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2014-06-17 22:38
I assume you mean Ron Paul? Are they friends?

At any rate, yes, Paul got much the same sort of treatment.
 
 
+1 # Henry 2014-06-19 12:53
He WAS ignored and put down, and I hated them for it. That idiot Larry King was the most obvious.
 
 
+27 # ganymede 2014-06-17 15:46
Thank you Dennis Kucinich, and thanks to you and the 145 other Congresspeople who voted against the war. Let's make this the start of exposing and bringing to justice Bush/Cheney and the whole cabal of scoundrels. In 2002-3, we all knew that the Iraq venture would be a disaster. When I say 'we all', I mean anyone with half a brain and some commonsense, both morally and politically. Now, with Iraq descending into total chaos and destruction, is the opportune and exact moment to do all we can to inform our fellow citizens of the true history of Iraq. We must jam all the media outlets, networks and politicians with the obvious fact, that what we've done to Iraq and the Middle East, is illegal, criminal and immoral. Those responsible must answer for what they have done, otherwise, we will continue to sink, yet faster, into more wars and chaos.
 
 
+4 # Darwin26 2014-06-17 20:39
We are protesting the presents of one Dick Cheney in Billings, Montana June 25th 5pm at the Metra ~ What sign of the kajillions that come to mind would you carry to show the 4000 pl audience ~ anything to leave a bad taste in their mouth before dinner
 
 
+15 # Divided.Conquered 2014-06-17 16:00
I see a pattern here - we have been colonized! High School history books covered this, those who colonized simply divided to conquer, drawing lines around opposing populations, getting them to argue and/or fight, then controlling them for personal gain. We and our politicians have been divided, we are fighting amongst ourselves - it's working beautifully. We are so focused on the false issues that our puppet masters have infected us with that we are not able to follow the evidence to uncover the puppet masters. They know we are too distracted to bother to ask the tough questions and that we are emotionally too confused to stop fighting in the heat of battle, to realize what is happening. The press is no help either, they speak of Bi-Partisan solutions - 2Partisans - do not be fooled. We need Non or 0Partisan solutions. The only way to get them is to stop fighting each other. A soldier stands up for a "whole" country, not the part that is a reflection of self. We are great because we are diverse, but that diversity is being used against us! We need to ask the tough questions, pull the curtain back, stop attacking each other, vote for what is good for the "whole" country, and share the truth with everyone. A soldier sacrifices self for the "whole" country. As Spock said, "Logic dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one." Be productive, stop attacking each other and focus on a "Whole" country, not just you!
 
 
+2 # ptalady 2014-06-19 12:48
I believe you have hit the nail squarely on the head! The defunding of public education is all part of this plan as well. Declining educational outcomes is not an unfortunate by-product of our unfortunate economic downturn. It is so predictably the outcome of reduced funding that it must have been the purpose -- to create uninformed, low-skilled workers to make and buy all the crap that the profiteers sell and become economic slave-like serfs. Oh, and let's make a profit while we're at it by privatizing said education in order for the Bush dynasty to sell more educational crap and reduce educators' pay to a sweet profit point for corporate educational interests (especially "publishers" of educational crap) -- shift education money from salary to buying more educational crap.
 
 
+1 # Henry 2014-06-19 13:52
Yes, and privatize the prisons! And privatize the Post Office, with its mail carriers who are the eyes and ears off all the neighborhoods – one of the few remaining examples of "Town Square togetherness." These and other insidious actions seem meant to demoralize the populace.
 
 
+16 # Beckmesser 2014-06-17 16:07
Bravo, Mr. Kucinich. Your comments are spot on. How will we ever get beyond self delusion without prosecuting those who hoodwinked the nation into wars of aggression? What was it the US said at the Nuernberg trials? BTW, what the hell were the Nuernberg trials, anyway?
 
 
+12 # Radscal 2014-06-17 16:49
When candidate Obama and soon-to-be House Speaker Pelosi both said that investigating the Bush/Cheney crime family was "off the table," the die was cast.
 
 
+1 # Darwin26 2014-06-17 20:36
Cast in a form that perpetuates the actions of the Statagon over and over wherever whenever ~ we are doomed. Isn't Capitalism lead by Neo-libs like Obama-Crypto-fa scist grand?
 
 
+6 # Douglas Jack 2014-06-18 08:56
Radscal & Darwin, Obama, Bush, Cheney & Pelosi are only puppet figures which is led in the western world by hidden trillionaires & a bevy of compliant billionaires who pull their strings. The few trillionaires are intellectual-co wards, paranoid, pathological, schizoid & recklessly pursuing both genocide & suicide in the present financing, arming & training NAZI attacks in Ukraine, Venezuela, Syria & over 80 nations worldwide. These trillionaires now 3rd generation inheritors falsely believe that; they can start & survive nuclear war with Russia-China where billions are to be murdered in strikes & more in the nuclear-winter which follows. Its time for all humanity to join economically in mutual aid then boycotting / not-buying any packaged multinational product. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/2-mutual-aid
 
 
+1 # motamanx 2014-06-20 21:08
Right on, Radscal!
 
 
+2 # Pikewich 2014-06-17 16:13
Alexander Haig said something like "Let them march all they want, as long as they continue to pay their taxes."

Signing petitions and calling you government officials will do nothing. They are sold out.
 
 
+3 # Pikewich 2014-06-17 16:13
Alexander Haig said something like "Let them march all they want, as long as they continue to pay their taxes."

Signing petitions and calling you government officials will do nothing. They are sold out.
 
 
+1 # Henry 2014-06-19 13:53
Not all of them.
 
 
+9 # carp 2014-06-17 18:27
Of course it was not a mistake. It was an unmitigated success for the war profiteers. Isn't profit the prime motivator for the neo cons? sure seems like it.
 
 
+8 # CharleenDotyRoberts 2014-06-17 19:24
Before we went into Iraq one could look at Bush's advisors and see their agendas. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz each had a personal reason for going into Iraq. They neither knew of or cared for for the Iraqi culture. They did not have a logical reason for actions after the "war" was over. Catastrophe was written in large letters that they did not read.
 
 
-3 # Darwin26 2014-06-17 20:33
Good Evening, if it weren't for DK we might all still be waiting for at least one to stand up for what is Right... sorry to see him forced out by the Blue half of that Capitalist coin.
However even alluding to Obama-Crypto-fa scist giving a rodents rectum about Justice is at first pathetic and next it's stoopid.
Let me direct your attn to the fact that Obama-Crypto-fa scist is CIA. He is intrensically connected to the Insider.
Obama-Crypto-fa scist and his whole family are/were CIA Agents: You can read it in the recent book by Andrew Kreig "Presidential Puppetry" for sure look at the book reviews on Amazon etc.
Obama-Crypto-fa scist will never look back for Justice (it's always hind sight BHO idiot)because he is intregal to the equations of our US State Dept/Statagon.
On June 25th 5 pm i'm fostering a Protest of Dick Cheney coming to Billings, Montana ~ i hope we can show this mendacious, pernicious, rapacious PoS what we feel.
 
 
0 # Henry 2014-06-19 13:54
This is dumb talk and does nothing to help anything.
 
 
+6 # robcarter.vn 2014-06-17 21:22
Besides Saddam Hussein Executed American Ally of 1980-88 Iran/Iraq War, and the gas WMD's USA gave him.

Rob Carter Commented to Juan Cole, in the press photo your face records your extreme anger so little wonder you neglected to mention the Human Casualty Statistics so evil as they are
Official :- USA Dead 4,486 between 2003 & 2012. Iraqi deaths by that war most favored USA Rhetorical 500,000 Lancet says 654,965 but "Opinion Research Business survey" 1,033,000 estimated the final tally of that war. VA claim 500 American amputees and up to 250,000 VA claimants for the various after effect syndrome invalids. For Iraq no figures stated.
 
 
+3 # futhark 2014-06-17 22:20
Let's go back a bit further than the invasion of Iraq, all the way to the event that prompted it: the 2001 September 11 attacks. Were they also a "mistake"? The dust had not yet completely settled in New York City before George W. Bush was warning people to not embrace "outrageous conspiracy theories" and his administration actively opposed and obstructed any impartial consideration of the evidence. By making it socially taboo to entertain alternative scenarios, he, along with the total backing of mainstream media, was able to pull off an unprecedented coup against democracy, liberty, and Constitutional government.

My question is: "What did he and Cheney have to hide, that they went to such lengths to make their hypothesis a political dogma?" The success of these actions was also unprecedented, so that even the Bush Administration' s strongest critics largely still back his "outrageous conspiracy theory".
 
 
+3 # Radscal 2014-06-17 23:46
This 45 minute documentary is well worth watching. Rather than getting hung up on all the theories about how it happened, this video simply explores who the people were who were connected to 9/11, how they were connected and what they did before, during and after the attacks: Not much speculation, just documented facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n_fp5kaVYhk
 
 
+5 # ishmael 2014-06-17 22:30
Oil might be a fringe benefit but warmaking itself is hugely lucrative. There may not be just one single reason for the lies that led the gullible into supporting the disastrous Iraq campaign.
 
 
+7 # Group_Capt_Lionel_Mandrake 2014-06-18 00:05
"The Iraq War a mistake." Yup. I remember "surfing" the t.v. channels. On Fox News I'd see Bush telling, "Saddam Hussein won't allow the weapons inspectors into Iraq." Surfing to another channel, I'd see Scott Ritter, weapons inspector, in Baghdad saying, "There are no WMD here. We've checked." I remember the Gulf War and Ambassador Gillespie telling Saddam it was okay to invade Kuwait. Americans are always being led down some Primrose Path or other. Wake up and smell the coffee, Mrs. Bueller.
 
 
+3 # FDRva 2014-06-18 03:43
My biggest problem here--is that Barry Obama was Wall Street's guy from the day he announced.

Follow the money.
 
 
-1 # FDRva 2014-06-18 03:45
And follow the Banker bailouts and wars.
 
 
0 # FDRva 2014-06-18 03:50
Barry Obama is last Republican presidential candidate I will ever for.
 
 
-1 # FDRva 2014-06-18 04:01
Barry Obama has Wall Street corruption issues, DUH???

How do you spell Goldman Sachs?

If the GOP attacked about that obvious matter they might win a few more elections


But apparently the GOP hierarchy prefers to lose to Wall Street's Obama. Hmm?
 
 
0 # FDRva 2014-06-18 04:07
Sorry for the typos,

Barry Obama is the last Republican masquerading as as Dem that I will ever vote for.
 
 
+2 # Jingze 2014-06-18 13:39
There is no cure for the current form of federal government. A third party might be a solution, but I don't think help will ever come through the ballot box. The system is too corrupt. Serious change is only going to come from a direct uprising of the people, who will have reached a point when they will have to take action or bow down to their serfdom. The political class has failed US citizens.
 
 
+2 # Nosir 2014-06-20 07:10
We need to take back the electoral process through campaign finance reform through an Article V Constitutional Convention of the States. Vermont legislature has ratified a resolution calling for Vermont's participation in the Convention. California is about to pass a resolution along with 10 other states.
 
 
+1 # Lucretius 2014-06-20 23:50
Dennis Kucinich forgot something important in his article which most commentators have missed.

Pelosi stopped impeachment proceedings against George Bush. She thought it would hurt the chances of a democrat becoming president. Instead, it stopped the chances of the truth becoming known and continued the deception and lies under a different corporatist label, namely the Democrats.

We shouldn't be afraid to impeach any president including Obama for their war crimes. But this is something the democratic, liberal, faux progressive anti-war movement doesn't want to reckon with. And so we have more reckless wars, and wholesale destruction of countries around the world now like Libya, Syria and now the Ukraine.

Under Obama, 113 black op operations run out of the Oval Office. More totalitarian measures passed. This was a deal made with the devil. Democrats thought they could stop struggling and no longer have to engage in class warfare. They wanted their politicians to take care of them. Well, they are and willing. Getting ready to put them under martial law. The Democrats have reaped what they sowed. The rest of the world hasn't though. And the hands of the base of the Democratic blood are now stained with the blood of people around the world because of the deal they made with their Democratic devil, Pelosi.
 
 
-1 # Lucretius 2014-06-20 23:53
And Merkley, he's a blabbing mediocrity who talks mainly about GMO's which are hardlyt the central point of struggle. HIm and that other nonentity Elizabeth Warren who believe they can ignore the central struggle of the US warfare state which must feast on the blood and guts of people around the world to sustain profits. They don't want to tackle this so they are all useless. The student loan is a side issue. Derivatives are now more out of control than ever before with the latest housing price rise and inflated stock market. The US is going to crash bigtime and Wyden and Merkley and Warren and Sanders don't talk about any of this.
 

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