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Cole writes: "That didn’t take long. The Georgia GOP rushed into law an ‘open carry’ provision in April allowing people to tote around guns in bars and churches (apparently these are felt to be complementary institutions in Georgia) and schools (these are apparently felt to be full of expendable if short people in Georgia)."

Rancher Cliven Bundy. (photo: Jim Urquhart/Reuters)
Rancher Cliven Bundy. (photo: Jim Urquhart/Reuters)


GOP Backs Bundy, Open Carry; Sovereign Citizen Shoots Up Courthouse

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

08 June 14

 

hat didn’t take long. The Georgia GOP rushed into law an ‘open carry’ provision in April allowing people to tote around guns in bars and churches (apparently these are felt to be complementary institutions in Georgia) and schools (these are apparently felt to be full of expendable if short people in Georgia).

Then the national GOP and Fox Cable News (the “Josef Goebbels Commemorative Propaganda Division of the American Right Wing”) backed Cliven Bundy in his “sovereign citizen” claims that he doesn’t have to pay Federal grazing fees.

So on Saturday a sovereign citizen and former Transportation Department employee (who made his money from the Federal government he hates) showed up outside a Georgia courthouse armed to the teeth with automatic weapons and other munitions and with the clear intent of taking hostages inside the courthouse. He was open carrying, you see, and standing up against big government. Or rather standing overtop it with a gun to its head.

This was a clear act of terrorism, but since it was committed by a white person, no one brought the word up.

A brave policeman confronted the sovereign shooter, trading volleys of gunfire with him. The brave deputy was shot twice in the leg but will survive. He slowed down the shooter long enough to allow SWAT to get to the scene. Dennis Marx, the shooter, was killed in the exchange of gunfire that ensued.

It is tragic that a law enforcement officer was wounded, and that others had their lives put in danger, all because the NRA insists that all Americans, including the unstable ones, have semi-automatic weapons and all because the Republican Party now supports racist criminal tax deadbeats as a knee-jerk reaction.

But, if you encourage crazy people and hand out guns like candy, the courthouse incident is what you get back.

Another lesson about the NRA hatred for gun regulation (a hatred stoked by contributions from the gun manufacturers) and GOP attempts to recruit white racists of a terrorist bent can be learned from Seattle last week. There, a crazed person with an obsession with Columbine and school shootings killed one student and wounded others.

The shooter at a Seattle Christian college was using a shotgun. They need to be broken and reloaded, unlike semi-automatic weapons. While he was reloading a brave student tackled him and others piled on. If Aaron Ybarra, the shooter, had been using a semi-automatic, the student who tackled him would be dead, along with likely large numbers of others slated to be killed.’

You get what you lobby for, GOP.


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-143 # wolf 2014-06-08 13:08
"It is tragic that a law enforcement officer was wounded, and that others had their lives put in danger, all because the NRA insists that all Americans, including the unstable ones, have semi-automatic weapons and all because the Republican Party now supports racist criminal tax deadbeats as a knee-jerk reaction.

But, if you encourage crazy people and hand out guns like candy, the courthouse incident is what you get back"

"Unstable?"

"Crazy people?"

You sir, are no better than Clive Bundy and the GOP for your bigotry towards those who suffer from mental illness. This is especially true in light of the FACT that most mental illness in the United States and other industrialized society is no more than a confused brain reacting to an irrational society and its illogical paradigm.

Contribute to the solution by recognizing the true problems and addressing them. Blaming them on "mental cases" does no more than create further problems. Those people are acting rationally when you consider the irrationality of the system which destroys their lives and deprives them of their inate freedoms.

The truly insane people in America are the ones that, for example, blame shootings on the mentally ill; rather than say, taking some responsibility for playing a part in the madness that facilitated their actions in the first place.
 
 
+118 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2014-06-08 15:08
Uhhhhh, no. There's a difference between even the GOP'S infantile political tantrums and insanity. The irrational and illogical machinations of the world are infuriating, but they are not the CAUSE or even the trigger of insanity — antisocial outrage and reflexive violence, perhaps, but not insanity.

It's also interesting to note that as the GOP glorifies this racist criminal tax deadbeat seditious traitor, it demonizes U.S. Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, a tortured, imprisoned American soldier, AND his family without due process, and therefore without just cause — except, IN THEIR EYES, for the fact that Obama had the courage to bring him home.
 
 
+29 # jon 2014-06-08 15:24
Excuse me for saying so, but you sound quite deranged yourself.
 
 
-22 # wolf 2014-06-08 22:38
I will not excuse you, for there is no excuse.

You are neither a qualified medical professional trained to make a diagnosis, nor are you in possession of sufficient fact to make such judgment.

And you have exemplified the problem with Americans, and have quite accidentally demonstrated why people continue to die in gun violence; supposedly at the hands of "mental cases."

The problem is, you fail to understand your contribution to the problem. You, like all Americans, have been trained to bully others who do not think as you think. And you think irrationally. You buy gasoline and burn it in a car, failing to recognize it is destroying your own planet's ability to support itself. You buy from corporations who want no more than to enslave you. And you vote for psychopathic candidates for a government that has proven time and time doesn't give a shit about the citizens who elect them or the Constitution that binds their actions.

Americans are irrational, and the "mentally ill" are the rational ones who are on occasion driven to irrational behavior.

Why don't you try speaking do homeless people and "mental cases" and get their story, find out what drives them to the edges of society. Ask questions, instead of blindly judging based on assumptions derived solely from your own mind; not the minds of the people you so callously judge.

Or, continue to ignore your contribution to the problem until it affects you directly.
 
 
+21 # bmiluski 2014-06-09 09:58
"You, like all Americans, have been trained to bully others who do not think as you think."

It seems to me that you are perpetuating your accusation with exactly the same method.

Also, this article IS NOT about mental-illness of the shooter but about the insanity of the Georgia republicans for rushing into law the open-carry provision which allowed the shooter to legally show up on the steps of a government building armed to the teeth with automatic weapons and ammo.

UNLESS, you're saying the Georgia republicans are insane.
 
 
+41 # Reyn 2014-06-08 15:53
I'm sorry - I have to bluntly say that mental illness is what it is - the public perception of it is what IT is - and the murder of the innocent is not acceptable. No excuses are acceptable as a stand in for the truth. Call them insane or call them crazy - I do NOT believe that sane people kill others and then commit suicide - regardless of problems OR who causes them. There is no robust evidence that the willingness to commit suicide, either by self or by other (forcing others to kill you - when you know that is what you are doing) is other than insane. Therefore, while you can argue that gentler words can be used, his premise is correct.

Regards.
 
 
-10 # wolf 2014-06-08 22:52
Go talk to homeless people and "mental cases" and see what they are being driven to. Go to rest areas, parks, the streets where homeless people are forced to try to survive; their livelihood taken from them by petty thieves who have business licenses; told by cops that it's a "civil matter" and to hire a lawyer with money they obviously don't have to access a justice and civil court system that does not want them to access it.

Stop taking this country for granted, and stop believing the lies universally told to you by politicians whom you KNOW damn well are lying to you.

You don't get to pick and choose what lies you want to believe just because they appeal to your ego. You have to disbelieve everything and find out for yourself.

Your ignorance of the true nature of the problems of this country mean they will continue to grow worse until one day you find yourself staring down the barrel of a gun wielded by a man or woman who lost everything to a corrupt city, cop, business, or other American entity or citizen and just happens to chose you as the target for their wrath: because that is precisely how these shootings happen.

Having spoken to many homeless people, including a woman in Salinas only yesterday whose only belongings were stolen by a storage business, I can tell you quite confidently that these shootings are going to get worse, and that any ideas you or anyone else like you has to solve them are pure folly, that the problem IS you.
 
 
+1 # BKnowswhitt 2014-06-09 21:10
Mentally healthy or stable people are capable of deciphering today's societal problems. The Wacko's that lack of education along with right wing talk radio and the GOP in general perpetuate the mantra that feeds the Idiots like this prick in Georgia. I don't condone killing but i'm glad they got the prick ...
 
 
+155 # Third_stone 2014-06-08 13:27
Bundy is clearly a thief who cheated us all out of the rent to be paid for public grazing land. When fools stand up to support his cause, gun play is encouraged. When men like Dick Cheney get clean away with torturing other men, gun play is encouraged. We are hurtling toward a new age of the fast gun for hire.
 
 
+107 # tswhiskers 2014-06-08 13:45
Once again, this nation's lawmakers have shown themselves incapable of governing for the public good. The idea that family restaurants like Chili's should have to ASK people to enter unarmed is so absurd as to be nearly unbelievable. The Dems. should be shouting from the rooftops the irresponsible, incompetent behavior of both the Reps. and the NRA in not only allowing, but encouraging ANYONE who wants to carry firearms, no matter how lethal, whenever and wherever they want to; the wanton shooting of bystanders, children or adults, is perfectly fine with these guys. wolf has it right as to who are the truly insane in this country. The 2d Amendment makes it clear that the Founders intended only those involved in a local (govt.-run) militia to freely own firearms: even hunting was not mentioned in the 2d Amendment. We are licensed to drive cars because cars can kill people; funny how that reasoning is irrelevant to gun owners.
 
 
+4 # wwway 2014-06-09 10:03
Not all lawmakers are incapable! If this is a subject that matters to you then identify and give credit to those who are capable of governing for the public good. Lumping all together is not helpful!
 
 
+91 # Barbara K 2014-06-08 13:47
I hope they lock this thief up soon. He should not be allowed another day of freedom. If any of the rest of us did what he has done, they would have locked us up and thrown away the key. These terrorist segments of our society should not be carrying guns around and should not be threatening government officials, that is a crime. Lock up the entire bunch of them. Get this rabbel rouser first and it should make it easier to get the rest.

..
 
 
+48 # jstick 2014-06-08 14:58
Firearms and bars are not a good mix either:

http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/police-beat/victim-in-may-shooting-at-a-tucson-bar-dies/article_b5c63228-ee7d-11e3-8d69-0019bb2963f4.html
 
 
+48 # NAVYVET 2014-06-08 19:32
In about 1914, my dad (a railroad sharpshooter for bounty jackrabbits (money went to the railroad) and fireman (stoker), and his best pal, another fireman, were ambling down a street in Cheyenne, Wyoming when a gun-toting drunk went berserk inside a saloon and began firing at random just as they walked past. Dad's friend was shot in the head ans killed instantly. Both were 15 years old. Dad buried his rifle, never again touched a gun, and wouldn't allow one in the house. In the late 1940s dad confronted a gun-wielding robber with soft, kind words, asking why he was so desperate. The man lowered the pistol and began crying. Dad asked him for the pistol, gave him a little money and sent him on his way--then took apart the pistol and threw away the parts. I didn't even know that story till mom told me after dad died in 1977. They were afraid it might upset me at age 11 or 12, but I wish I'd known. I was proud of him anyway--and that would have made me prouder.
 
 
-126 # dick 2014-06-08 14:59
Lazy thinking lefties love to carp at "gun nuts." But as long as every law enforcement agency in America FLAT OUT REFUSES to effectively address violent crime, people will want to have the capacity to defend themselves. With all our high tech tools, and funded "security" positions, how can "gangs" of KIDS control large parts of our cities? How can illiterate peasants from South America defeat our so called war on drugs? Our govt would rather eavesdrop on you than on THEM! Get yourself a gun.
 
 
+59 # Reyn 2014-06-08 15:59
Again, honesty dick - interesting combination that - honesty -- I don't know where you live - but I have lived in large cities, including our largest. When we lived in NYC we lived in Cobble Hill Brooklyn, an upwardly mobile area full of Yuppies and Guppies (we are of the latter persuasion I suppose, at least technically). Crime in our neighborhood was treated very seriously and instantly. To the point where, honestly, there was none. In all the years we lived there, no one in our compound was ever robbed. ONE violent crime was committed within a 10 square block radius in 7 years. Why? Hmmm... could it be that the reason youth gangs control the South Bronx but are barred from areas like Cobble Hill is because Capitalism only protects the wealthy? I'm not saying its right, in fact I think its very wrong - but I think its the real answer. I also think many people don't care if others (middle class and poor) all kill each other. Jonathan and I are Leftists, many of our friends are as well - but we know enough Right Wingers to know that the wealthier Right Wingers don't care about the middle class and poor - even their political allies. That's it, short and sweet. You want legal protections? Get rich then.
 
 
+34 # tabonsell 2014-06-08 16:10
Quoting dick:
Lazy thinking lefties love to carp at "gun nuts." But as long as every law enforcement agency in America FLAT OUT REFUSES to effectively address violent crime, people will want to have the capacity to defend themselves.


If United States law-enforcement agencies in the US "refuse" to address crime, why is it that the United States incarcerates 707 persons for every 100,000 population? That's the highest in the world, tied with Seychelles.

Columbia, the crime-ridden Latin American country that is behind much of our drug problems, jails only 244. Venezuela, a nation the US political right lambastes as a lawless society, imprisons 174. Mexico, a nation that is constantly in the news for its drug-related gang crimes, jails 211. Liechtenstein and The Central African Republic both jail 19. Australia, a nation that clamped down on gun ownership after a massacre in the 1990s, jails133 fellow Aussies and has not had a gun-related mass murder since while its crime rate has continued to decline.

So, either the United States takes jailing of criminals more seriously than does the rest of the world, or the US is so ridden with crime that it must hold a significant amount of the population in prison. Which is it?

A third possibility is that too many Americans possess guns and are not shy in using them on other people.
 
 
+20 # NAVYVET 2014-06-08 19:40
Maybe the "illiterate peasants" just want to be free of the BIG drug lords, who are from the U.S. and include some famous very rich men. Funny how intelligent "illiterate peasants" often are, and how stupid are those who swagger around, scream hatred and use a firearms display as a substitute for teensy genitalia.
 
 
+17 # Majikman 2014-06-08 21:46
As Bill Maher calls then...Ammosexuals.
Quite fitting.
 
 
+5 # CoyoteMan50 2014-06-09 11:53
You shouldn't talk about Republicans that way. It's not nice but it's funny. lol
 
 
+54 # born1929 2014-06-08 15:20
no thank you dick (pretty good name)...
(signed) Korean war veteran and one of those lazy thinking lefties you are referring to
 
 
+15 # AndreM5 2014-06-08 16:55
He REALLY sounds afraid doesn't he?
 
 
+33 # thekidde 2014-06-08 17:05
Vietnam for me and I believe the "gun nuts" have never been faced with an actual enemy who was armed and ready to kill them, unlike the vast majority who wish they would take their guns and overblown egos and shove 'em where the sun don't shine.
 
 
+29 # banichi 2014-06-08 15:23
It is interesting that the first comment by 'Wolf' had more to do with calling sane people irresponsible because they have not done "anything" about the conditions that brought about the "insane" people shooting innocent people, than in recognizing that giving mentally deficient persons access to the means to commit murder is insane and, yes, criminal act in itself.

It also ignores that fact that allowing the lobbies with the most money to spend on buying politicians to get laws passed to benefit their backers is considered a protected right. But though everyone deplores and is shocked by the gun-assisted violence in the US, the shock and media attention dissipates after the event, and the gun lobby spends money on denying restrictive gun laws and wins because ordinary citizens are not organized and don't have the money to counter the insidious lies of the NRA and gun lobbyists.

In this, as in many other areas of the law and Congress, I think "Wolf" may have a point - and he seems a bit irrational about it. Wonder if he has a gun?

Congress is made up of people, and Republicans and TPers won't understand that they should be listening to the needs of people rather than lobbies until some angry citizen with a semi-automatic weapon shows up in the House kills a bunch of GOP legislators. Whose 'fault' will it be then, 'Wolf?'
 
 
+11 # indian weaver 2014-06-08 16:05
I expect assassinations of our legislators any day. I have been expecting that to happen for a few years now. The legislators who cause these massacres are going to face the barrel of a gun or ied sooner or later, and along with the guilty party, most likely innocent bystanders and witnesses will also be shot. I expect extreme violence against our "lawbreakers" to happen immanently. That's what always happens worldwide when the government collapses into fascist terrorism, like the Amerikan government has done - implode into insanity.
 
 
+7 # wolf 2014-06-08 22:59
You are ignoring the true nature of the problem.

Why don't you try talking to people who are driven to such things.

I'm available, and I'm the kind of person everyone who is interested in solving these shootings should be talking to; as I have been bullied heavily, so heavily that I am considering calling myself the most bullied American in history - having been bullied continuously for 42 years that I know of (I have no memory of my life before 4 thanks to brain damage part 1.)

I am not someone to fear, I am someone you could learn a thing or two from. I tried to help Americans understand these shootings and the ignorance of most Americans is so complete that my efforts will likely never succeed. The American ego rules the roost and cannot be persuaded to accept anything as truth which does not serve its needs.

And as long as the American Ego rules the roost, these shootings will continue.

And unless and until the media is willing to actually talk to people, or people are willing and do make an effort to talk to the homeless and others forced out of their homes and lives by this society; these shootings will continue and will grow in frequency.

I make no apologies for my analyses. I am a genius, who unfortunately suffers from Dysexecutive Syndrome. It doesn't mean I'm going to shoot anyone, it means I'm a target of arrogant, egotistical people who have nothing better to do with their time than to make themselves feel better by stepping on others.
 
 
+1 # Malcolm 2014-06-10 19:16
"It doesn't mean I'm going to shoot anyone". Thanks for clarifying that, Wolf.
 
 
0 # Malcolm 2014-06-11 11:04
Wolf, I'm still concerned about your mental health, as it relates to some sort of violent breakdown. The very fact that you said, "Why don't you try talking to people who are driven to such things.

I'm available, and I'm the kind of person everyone who is interested in solving these shootings should be talking to; as I have been bullied heavily, so heavily that I am considering calling myself the most bullied American in history - having been bullied continuously for 42 years that I know of."

These sound like classic calls fo help of the nature found in writings of "shooters". What are the chances that you could go start killing people, Wolf? Please answer honestly, ok?
 
 
+11 # Malcolm 2014-06-08 15:54
If that's Bundy's building in the photo, they oughta raid the idiot's house, and do a building inspection. There are THREE obvious code violations, just showing in this one photo!

That'll learn him!
 
 
+8 # Malcolm 2014-06-08 15:56
While I believe a lot of building codes are really, really stupid, each of THESE three violations are seriously hazardous to occupants and guests.
 
 
+9 # Working Class 2014-06-08 16:22
stairway with no handrail
 
 
+1 # Malcolm 2014-06-10 18:59
Bingo. Also stair rise and run too steep for residential, and no landing at top, which can easily cause falls when exiting building. Hopefully the door at top of stairs doesn't open OUT, or one of the Bundies is gonna respond to a visitor's knock by bowling him over backwards when the door is opened.

If it's one of Bundy's supporters knocking, maybe code violations have their place ;-)
 
 
+1 # wolf 2014-06-08 23:06
And we wonder why these shootings happen?

Yes, good job Mr. Troll (not an attack - Malcom has a documented history of trolling this site), thank you for demonstrating one of the major contributors to the problem of shootings in this country: using law enforcement to bully each other.

The system is corrupt and we all know that. Yet we will use that corruption when it advantages or suits us; such as revenge against people we don't even know for things we don't even know they did or otherwise based on rumor and innuendo.

You've never met Clive Bundy. Yes, he is misguided in his beliefs and actions, but that doesn't make him a bad person, it just means he has made some bad decisions.

I have worked with ranchers in my work in wolf recovery (http://www.wolveswolveswolves.org - yeah, the work of a real lunatic, huh folks?) The vast majority are simultaneously ignorant, but also the most friendly people I've ever come across. They are truly stewards of the land and have a keen sense of reality. But they live in a different world from yours, and are not always the beneficiaries of a decent education, especially not when those institutions are so underfunded in rural areas.

It's quite easy for you to throw rocks from your seat behind that plastic and glass monitor, just as it is for every American to judge situations by what the pathetic media tells them is "truth."
 
 
+2 # tpmco 2014-06-08 23:58
Who did YOU call a troll?
 
 
+10 # ericlipps 2014-06-08 16:01
Quote:
hat didn’t take long. The Georgia GOP rushed into law an ‘open carry’ provision in April allowing people to tote around guns in bars and churches (apparently these are felt to be complementary institutions in Georgia) and schools (these are apparently felt to be full of expendable if short people in Georgia).
"Short people got no reason to live . . . "

And apparently no right to, either, once they've actually been born, if they get in the way of some cuckoo with a gun.
 
 
+13 # ericlipps 2014-06-08 16:07
Oops. Guess the block "T" didn't quote properly. Obviously, it's "That didn't take long." and it didn't.

And what idiot drafted a law legalizing the brandishing of guns in bars? Never mind churches--too many NRA members seem to belong to the Church of Jesus Christ, Gunman anyway.
 
 
+15 # Regina 2014-06-08 16:09
The freedom to carry -- and discharge! -- is extremist-right wing population control. They claim that any other means is a variant of abortion, which is a far worse crime in their creed than gun-fired murder..
 
 
+1 # wrknight 2014-06-08 21:15
Quoting Regina:
The freedom to carry -- and discharge! -- is extremist-right wing population control. They claim that any other means is a variant of abortion, which is a far worse crime in their creed than gun-fired murder..


The reason they oppose abortion is that those babies are needed for future targets.
 
 
+2 # RODNOX 2014-06-09 19:41
just thought about carry and discharge---see ms kind of like premature ejaculation.... ...sorry but it fits in so many ways
 
 
+14 # indian weaver 2014-06-08 16:13
I want to see Mindless Cliveness to get hammered by the powers that be, any day now, the sooner the better. I hope he's blindsided with a vicious FBI like so many innocent parties have been and are daily. The FBI can terrorize this asshole 6 ways from Sunday for the rest of his life, if they so choose, including his arrogant jackass gang. The FBI is now Amerika's goon squad. Here we have the goon doode in their crosshairs - Bundy the Clueless. Stay tuned. The FBI will never walk away humiliated for long. I wonder if Cliven worries at all about what's happening right now behind the stage curtain - with all of the government's guns aimed at him. How long will they hold their fire when they themselves are Cliven's target? Not very long. Act II of this sickening tragi-comedy is overdue to begin. I need some good news for a change.
 
 
+7 # ganymede 2014-06-08 18:45
It's a real shame that more people are going to have to be shot before we get some humane action from our corrupt politicians, but it's clear that these demented gun-worshippers have shot their load. The vast majority of people are not going to tolerate people walking the streets and going into restaurants and other businesses and public places carrying heat. Enough of our seemingly spineless Congresspeople are going to have to buck the NRA or they will be kicked out of office.

I live in NYC and the thought of these morons walking down our streets with long guns is ludicrous and wouldn't be tolerated for a nanosecond, and this applies to most large cities outside of the Confederate States and some wild west venues.

The rightwingers have gone much too far and stand a good chance of losing control of Congress this fall. Liberals and Progressives should hold their noses and vote for anyone with a 'D' after their names. We must get rid of all the sub-humans who call themselves Republicans. At least we can deal with the Democrats.
 
 
+4 # Majikman 2014-06-08 19:24
Hmmmm expansion of open carry, increases in mass shootings, no prosecution of Bundy & Co., increased police militarization, the crumbling of our social safety nets. Does anyone else see this as a planned set up for the imposition of martial law when the country explodes?
 
 
0 # wolf 2014-06-10 19:28
My gawd, someone else with a brain that works.

Did you read the story about rural law enforcement getting military surplus - weapons and armored vehicles mind you.


Start talking to your local law enforcement. Engage them. Align them as best as you can with the citizenry.

The world is now at war - well, it has been for some time. The wealthy elites, the oligarchs of every nation, are actively engaged in efforts to suppress the rest of us, to take our resources, and to control our lives.

The first step in fighting back is to recognize that we are at war.

This might help: http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-100614.html



Not only are we being set up for marshal law; but they are instigating all the precursors themselves. Look at how they demonized and villified Occupy - a peaceful protest.

Their success depends upon American ignorance. And with that said, I direct you to my article entitled "Why I am Leaving America."

I do still have three openings on my ship...
 
 
-11 # Gerardo 2014-06-08 19:26
What a laugh some of these comments are. ganymede for instance? He or she claims that anyone who calls themselves a Republican is "sub-human"? Vote Democrat, solve the gun problem in America! Sure pal, sure. Every redneck and gun freak in the country is just going to say, "Ah shoot, I gotta turn my guns in"? Dream on. We reap what we sow, and at this very moment a government official is figuring out how to arm Islamic fundamentalists (terrorists) with guns and ammo. Ever wondered why we suffer so much? Spread the hate, spread the pain, spread the agony, spread the death. I fear that we are seeing just the beginning, far from near the end as dreamer commenters here would like to believe. Hollywood, where every problem has a solution, most of them involving guns, bullets, and death.
 
 
+6 # babalu 2014-06-08 21:29
Agreed that Ganymede did not treat her sister citizens with respect. But you folks are busy calling Liberals and women Nazi's day in and day out! You can dish it out but not take it!
As for Reaping what is sowed: your ignoring the plain words of the constitution and laughably interpreting the 2d Amendment as carte blanche to buy any and all possible weapons and then stoking the paranoia is inducing more and more disaffected white males to shoot it up-that's reaping what you sow! These stories are all the same! Because that is the RIGHT WING PROGRAM.
We can count on one hand the number of Islamic fundamentalists causing problems in the US, mostly tutored by undercover cops.
The real terrorists are the open-carry nuts who are happy walking around armed to the teeth and scaring and scattering women and children. Then their teeny weeny egos get bent out of shape if someone dares to criticize them - terrorists is the word for this immature behavior. If you do it, own it! But Republicans cannot look far enough ahead to see consequences beyond their current slap-dash action. I felt sorry for Romney because I think he was genuinely surprised at people dying of cancer after cancelling their health insurance and halving their pay. No think, no consequences!
 
 
+2 # andya27 2014-06-09 08:56
The last government official that I can remember arming Islamic fundamentalists with guns and ammo was President Reagan - for whom I voted (twice). Had I known then what I know now, I might have voted otherwise. I'm not sure I know the government official giving guns to Islamic terrorists. Which one is it?
 
 
+2 # RODNOX 2014-06-09 19:44
yes--Reagan.... ..may he rot in hell just for the coke he brought in this country and the WMDs he gave out and/or sold
 
 
+12 # Citizen Mike 2014-06-08 19:45
What Bundy and his supporters have done fits the definition of terrorism, the use of violence or the threat of violence to influence public opinion and produce political change. It is violence or the threat of violence in the cause of an ideology.

Our present law allows such a person to be arrested by the military and held without trial indefinitely. Our custom is presently to send such a person to Guantanamo for enhanced interrogation.

Our genuine domestic terrorist threat does not come from foreign islamists, but from the lunatic fringe of our homegrown the political right. Any Department of Homeland Security worthy of its name should make a priority of aggressively investigating this sort of person and defending the public against those who promote this behavior.
 
 
+6 # wrknight 2014-06-08 21:17
Quoting Citizen Mike:
What Bundy and his supporters have done fits the definition of terrorism, the use of violence or the threat of violence to influence public opinion and produce political change. It is violence or the threat of violence in the cause of an ideology.


Isn't that what GWBush did?
 
 
0 # robcarter.vn 2014-06-08 21:21
Well USA is broke the more heads they roll specially young the less stimulus Krugman will need?

More guns in every school, chirch, home, kindergarten even the sooner USA population can shrink to the jobs available after 1%'ers exceptionalize Banks for themselves with more machines sacking more living bodies. Dead they don't ned jobs?
 
 
+4 # ishmael 2014-06-08 23:48
Just some quick and dirty math but a good estimate is that in the roughly 8 hrs people have been posting on this particular thread there have been roughly 33 deaths by gun including homicide, suicide etc.

Bring the six degrees of separation into it and ...

Nice place to live, huh?
 
 
+5 # brenda 2014-06-09 00:43
I like my gun for all to see.
When people I don't like, bother me,
I can brandish or I can shoot,
Because of freedom by the GOPee.
 
 
+1 # ishmael 2014-06-09 07:11
Your thinking is in the wrong countree.

Perhaps the fifteenth centuree?

You might fit in well in Somalee...

Where pirates think much like thee ....
 
 
+1 # brenda 2014-06-09 14:53
Come on...Can't you see the poem was a satire !!!!
 
 
+3 # Caliban 2014-06-09 15:58
Let's have some music along with these cute lyrics.
 
 
+4 # andya27 2014-06-09 08:48
Perhaps the best sarcasm I've seen here in a while. At least I hope this is sarcasm.
 
 
+2 # Skeeziks 2014-06-09 05:01
Even if...
Even if everyone has a weapon to carry for self protection, everyone has the opportunity to lose it and take others to the grave along side him/her.

Simple...as is the GOP.
 
 
+2 # brenda 2014-06-09 15:12
That's just what happened in the old western towns. It got so bad that sheriffs had to force all guns get checked into the Sheriff's Office before any one could stay or visit in the town. That was their reason for gun control. Made a lot of sense then.
 
 
+5 # ishmael 2014-06-09 07:26
A student's right to safely attend classes trumps your right to own a homicidal device outside of a "well regulated militia".
 
 
+3 # andya27 2014-06-09 08:43
I'm in my mid-50s. Been voting since 1976. I cannot remember a time when our country has been more polarized along ideological issues.

I do believe that the hard right has become far more accepting of violence as a means to solving problems. Where this came from, I have no idea. For over 30 years I was a Republican. But in 2012 I had to change my affiliation to Democrat, as I could no longer support a party of anger, racism, misogyny, homophobia, and fear mongering.

This past weekend's murders in Nevada, the association with Cliven Bundy, the draping of Tea Party flags over the bodies of the victims, and the shouting of "This is the beginning of the revolution" all portend some bad bad times to come for our country.

I believe we have passed the point of no return. we will see more violence like this. The vast number of guns available, the anger that is felt (whether rational or not), and the willingness of some to kill for their ideology has brought down what once was, I believe, the greatest nation on earth.

Perhaps entropy works within society as it does within all other systems. And then perhaps there is hope - but I do not see any hope. Only more division and anger.
 
 
0 # ishmael 2014-06-09 09:19
More cowardice by the gun-wielding right:

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27767197
 
 
0 # vt143 2014-06-09 10:02
WE get what what the GOP lobbies for.
 
 
+3 # wwway 2014-06-09 10:04
Irrational reasons for owning a gun are sure to result in irrational reasons for using the gun.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2014-06-09 10:05
I find it amusing that the so-called "civilized" towns of the wild west were the ones that did NOT allow guns. Anyone coming into town had to turn his gun into the sheriff.
 
 
+1 # CoyoteMan50 2014-06-09 11:51
Don't reasonable people see what loons like the Clive Bundy crowd, Tea Party/GOP Right Wingers are doing to this country? Just because there is a black president they are on a killing spree.
They didn't give him a chance to do anything and they fought tooth and nail to stop whatever he did or insulted what he tried.
If we had done that to Geo. W Bush the loons would be at our doors to shoot us. Just like the Gestapo.
We must form up to reject any Tea Partyer/GOP Right Wing loon in November 2014.
If they are soundly defeated they will wither away in time.
 
 
+5 # brenda 2014-06-09 14:59
There's so many teabaggers, birthers, gun nuts, radical right wing nuts, and their simple minded supporters out there, that I'm always getting pissed off when the FOX and CNN media give them the microphone. I mean WTF.
 

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