RSN Fundraising Banner
FB Share
Email This Page
add comment
Print

Parry writes: "Last August, the Obama administration lurched to the brink of invading Syria after blaming a Sarin gas attack outside Damascus on President Bashar al-Assad's government, but new evidence � reported by investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh � implicates Turkish intelligence and extremist Syrian rebels instead."

President Obama and National Security Advisor Susan E. Rice, left, meet in the Oval Office to discuss the Syria situation with Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham in 2013. (photo: Pete Souza/White House)
President Obama and National Security Advisor Susan E. Rice, left, meet in the Oval Office to discuss the Syria situation with Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham in 2013. (photo: Pete Souza/White House)


Was Turkey Behind Syrian Sarin Attack?

By Robert Parry, Consortium News

07 Apri 14

 

ast August, the Obama administration lurched to the brink of invading Syria after blaming a Sarin gas attack outside Damascus on President Bashar al-Assad�s government, but new evidence � reported by investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh � implicates Turkish intelligence and extremist Syrian rebels instead.

The significance of Hersh�s latest report is twofold: first, it shows how Official Washington�s hawks and neocons almost stampeded the United States into another Mideast war under false pretenses, and second, the story�s publication in the London Review of Books reveals how hostile the mainstream U.S. media remains toward information that doesn�t comport with its neocon-dominated conventional wisdom.

In other words, it appears that Official Washington and its mainstream press have absorbed few lessons from the disastrous Iraq War, which was launched in 2003 under the false claim that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was planning to share hidden stockpiles of WMD with al-Qaeda, when there was no WMD nor any association between Hussein and al-Qaeda.

A decade later In August and September 2013, as a new war hysteria broke out over Assad allegedly crossing President Barack Obama�s �red line� against using chemical weapons, it fell to a few Internet sites, including our own Consortiumnews.com, to raise questions about the administration�s allegations that pinned the Aug. 21 attack on the Syrian government.

Not only did the U.S. government fail to provide a single piece of verifiable evidence to support its claims, a much-touted �vector analysis� by Human Rights Watch and the New York Times � supposedly tracing the flight paths of two rockets back to a Syrian military base northwest of Damascus � collapsed when it became clear that only one rocket carried Sarin and its range was less than one-third the distance between the army base and the point of impact. That meant the rocket carrying the Sarin appeared to have originated in rebel territory.

There were other reasons to doubt the Obama administration�s casus belli, including the irrationality of Assad ordering a chemical weapons strike outside Damascus just as United Nations inspectors were unpacking at a local hotel with plans to investigate an earlier attack that the Syrian government blamed on the rebels.

Assad would have known that a chemical attack would have diverted the inspectors (as it did) and would force President Obama to declare that his �red line� had been crossed, possibly prompting a massive U.S. retaliatory strike (as it almost did).

Plans for War

Hersh�s article describes how devastating the U.S. aerial bombardment was supposed to be, seeking to destroy Assad�s military capability, which, in turn, could have cleared the way to victory for the Syrian rebels, whose fortunes had been declining.

Hersh wrote: �Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into �a monster strike�: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed.

��Every day the target list was getting longer,� the former intelligence official told me. �The Pentagon planners said we can�t use only Tomahawks to strike at Syria�s missile sites because their warheads are buried too far below ground, so the two B-52 air wings with two-thousand pound bombs were assigned to the mission. Then we�ll need standby search-and-rescue teams to recover downed pilots and drones for target selection. It became huge.�

�The new target list was meant to �completely eradicate any military capabilities Assad had�, the former intelligence official said. The core targets included electric power grids, oil and gas depots, all known logistic and weapons depots, all known command and control facilities, and all known military and intelligence buildings.�

According to Hersh, the administration�s war plans were disrupted by U.S. and British intelligence analysts who uncovered evidence that the Sarin was likely not released by the Assad government and indications that Turkey�s intelligence services may have collaborated with radical rebels to deploy the Sarin as a false-flag operation.

Turkey�s Prime Minister Recep Erdogan sided with the Syrian opposition early in the civil conflict and provided a vital supply line to the al-Nusra Front, a violent group of Sunni extremists with ties to al-Qaeda and increasingly the dominant rebel fighting force. By 2012, however, internecine conflicts among rebel factions had contributed to Assad�s forces gaining the upper hand.

The role of Islamic radicals � and the fear that advanced U.S. weapons might end up in the hands of al-Qaeda terrorists � unnerved President Obama who pulled back on U.S. covert support for the rebels. That frustrated Erdogan who pressed Obama to expand U.S. involvement, according to Hersh�s account.

Hersh wrote: �By the end of 2012, it was believed throughout the American intelligence community that the rebels were losing the war. �Erdogan was pissed,� the former intelligence official said, �and felt he was left hanging on the vine. It was his money and the [U.S] cut-off was seen as a betrayal.��

�Red Line� Worries

Recognizing Obama�s political sensitivity over his �red line� pledge, the Turkish government and Syrian rebels saw chemical weapons as the way to force the President�s hand, Hersh reported, writing:

�In spring 2013 US intelligence learned that the Turkish government � through elements of the MIT, its national intelligence agency, and the Gendarmerie, a militarised law-enforcement organisation � was working directly with al-Nusra and its allies to develop a chemical warfare capability.

��The MIT was running the political liaison with the rebels, and the Gendarmerie handled military logistics, on-the-scene advice and training � including training in chemical warfare,� the former intelligence official said. �Stepping up Turkey�s role in spring 2013 was seen as the key to its problems there. Erdogan knew that if he stopped his support of the jihadists it would be all over. The Saudis could not support the war because of logistics � the distances involved and the difficulty of moving weapons and supplies. Erdogan�s hope was to instigate an event that would force the US to cross the red line. But Obama didn�t respond [to small chemical weapons attacks] in March and April.��

The dispute between Erdogan and Obama came to a head at a White House meeting on May 16, 2013, when Erdogan unsuccessfully lobbied for a broader U.S. military commitment to the rebels, Hersh reported.

Three months later, in the early hours of Aug. 21, a mysterious missile delivered a lethal load of Sarin into a suburb east of Damascus. The Obama administration and the mainstream U.S. press corps immediately jumped to the conclusion that the Syrian government had launched the attack, which the U.S. government claimed killed at least �1,429� people although the number of victims cited by doctors and other witnesses on the scene was much lower.

Yet, with the media stampede underway, anyone who questioned the U.S. government�s case was trampled under charges of being an �Assad apologist.� But we few skeptics continued to point out the lack of evidence to support the rush to war. Obama also encountered political resistance in both the British Parliament and U.S. Congress, but hawks in the U.S. State Department were itching for a new war.

Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a bellicose speech on Aug. 30 amid expectations that the U.S. bombs would start flying within days. But Obama hesitated, first referring the war issue to Congress and later accepting a compromise brokered by Russian President Vladimir Putin to have Assad surrender all of his chemical weapons even as Assad continued denying any role in the Aug. 21 attacks.

Obama took the deal but continued asserting publicly that Assad was guilty and disparaging anyone who thought otherwise. In a formal address to the UN General Assembly on Sept. 24, 2013, Obama declared, �It�s an insult to human reason and to the legitimacy of this institution to suggest that anyone other than the regime carried out this attack.�

Suspicions of Turkey

However, by autumn 2013, U.S. intelligence analysts were among those who had joined in the �insult to human reason� as their doubts about Assad�s guilt grew. Hersh cited an ex-intelligence official saying: �the US intelligence analysts who kept working on the events of 21 August �sensed that Syria had not done the gas attack. But the 500 pound gorilla was, how did it happen? The immediate suspect was the Turks, because they had all the pieces to make it happen.�

�As intercepts and other data related to the 21 August attacks were gathered, the intelligence community saw evidence to support its suspicions. �We now know it was a covert action planned by Erdogan�s people to push Obama over the red line,� the former intelligence official said. �They had to escalate to a gas attack in or near Damascus when the UN inspectors� � who arrived in Damascus on 18 August to investigate the earlier use of gas � �were there. The deal was to do something spectacular.

��Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey � that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support. The Turks also provided the training in producing the sarin and handling it.�

�Much of the support for that assessment came from the Turks themselves, via intercepted conversations in the immediate aftermath of the attack. �Principal evidence came from the Turkish post-attack joy and back-slapping in numerous intercepts. Operations are always so super-secret in the planning but that all flies out the window when it comes to crowing afterwards. There is no greater vulnerability than in the perpetrators claiming credit for success.��

According to the thinking of Turkish intelligence, Hersh reported, �Erdogan�s problems in Syria would soon be over: �Off goes the gas and Obama will say red line and America is going to attack Syria, or at least that was the idea. But it did not work out that way.��

Hersh added that the U.S. intelligence community has been reluctant to pass on to Obama the information contradicting the Assad-did-it scenario. Hersh wrote:

�The post-attack intelligence on Turkey did not make its way to the White House. �Nobody wants to talk about all this,� the former intelligence official told me. �There is great reluctance to contradict the president, although no all-source intelligence community analysis supported his leap to convict. There has not been one single piece of additional evidence of Syrian involvement in the sarin attack produced by the White House since the bombing raid was called off. My government can�t say anything because we have acted so irresponsibly. And since we blamed Assad, we can�t go back and blame Erdogan.��

Like the bloody U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, last year�s near U.S. air war against Syria is a cautionary tale for Americans regarding the dangers that result when the U.S. government and mainstream media dance off hand in hand, leaping to conclusions and laughing at doubters.

The key difference between the war in Iraq and the averted war on Syria was that President Obama was not as eager as his predecessor, George W. Bush, to dress himself up as a �war president.� Another factor was that Obama had the timely assistance of Russian President Putin to chart a course that skirted the abyss.

Given how close the U.S. neocons came to maneuvering a reluctant Obama into another �regime change� war on a Mideast adversary of Israel, you can understand why they are so angry with Putin and why they were so eager to hit back at him in Ukraine. [See Consortiumnews.com�s �What Neocons Want from Ukraine Crisis.�]


e-max.it: your social media marketing partner
Email This Page

 

Comments  

We are concerned about a recent drift towards vitriol in the RSN Reader comments section. There is a fine line between moderation and censorship. No one likes a harsh or confrontational forum atmosphere. At the same time everyone wants to be able to express themselves freely. We'll start by encouraging good judgment. If that doesn't work we'll have to ramp up the moderation.

General guidelines: Avoid personal attacks on other forum members; Avoid remarks that are ethnically derogatory; Do not advocate violence, or any illegal activity.

Remember that making the world better begins with responsible action.

- The RSN Team

 
+64 # guomashi 2016-02-29 14:14
We rush to our doom.

Something is drastically wrong with an educational system that equates war with strength.
 
 
+45 # Merlin 2016-02-29 14:35
 
 
+57 # Anne Frank 2016-02-29 14:41
The problem resides in the monopoly of the warmongers over the media, which enables them to determine the information the people receive, and therefore their fears of the real and imaginary boogeymen the warmongers identify.
 
 
+21 # REDPILLED 2016-02-29 15:30
Effective and affective education DOES address the emotions as well as the intellect.

I write as a retired public secondary school teacher of literature and writing who, for more than 32 years, expected and encouraged my students to get emotionally as well as intellectually involved with the characters, themes, and moral as well as social and political issues we discussed in class, from 7th grade through 12th grade.

This kind of education can be, and IS being, done in thousands of public schools all across the U.S.

All it needs is a supportive school board and community.
 
 
+14 # economagic 2016-02-29 16:17
I couldn't agree more. I retired recently as an economics teacher (don't trust anything any economist tells you, including me), but until about 20 years ago I mostly made my home in various aspects of "STEM." I don't regret any of that time, as it was interesting, useful, and entirely responsible for my livelihood until the past eight years, when it was only partly responsible.

But the one thing I would change if I had a do-over would be to study more of the humanities in the broad sense, but especially the written arts of literature, drama, and poetry, because I think the people who produce works in those fields are the ones with the clearest insights into the human condition -- which is ultimately what it's all about.

As for economics, I'm recommending the graphic narrative, "Economix" (economixcomix. com). The author is NOT an economist but a journalist, self-taught in economics, and he gets it right, as in "how it REALLY works." The book includes an excellent account of how the academic field got to its present hideous state.
 
 
+12 # Douglas Jack 2016-02-29 17:45
Steve Weissman, Good article but Hillary & US militarism Is more than a short term 'political' issue.
AFRICA's RICHEST NATION
Hillary Clinton, "We came, we saw, he died!" for her financing, arming & murder of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi over Libya's universal-medic are (is Bernie next?), education, employment, housing & Africa's highest standard of living. Libya was #1 financier of development-aid & investor in Africa's essential service infrastructure. Hillary's slave to world trillionaire OLIGARCHs who couldn't stomach Muammar's (Jewish mother) implementation of the gold-based African Dinar for all oil & commodity trading.

HIllary's record of approving CARPET-BOMBING of no-Afghani-hija ckers-Afghanist an, no-weapons-of-m ass-destruction -Iraq & her determinative role as Secretary of State of Libya. Hillary's State-departmen t operatives finance, arm & supply foreign mercenaries in Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt etc. because she worships oligarch wealth & Israel 1st.

THE DEEP STATE
Greater-Israel's Oded-Yinon-Plan OYP & its US daughters Project-for-a-N ew-American-Cen tury PNAC & New-World-Order NWO advanced by Netanyahu (supported by Hillary) for these destabilization , arming of our-perceived-e nemy's-enemy, bombing campaigns are clearly scheduled. General Westley Clarke describes being informed of the US role in OYP's taking out 7 countries. http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-02-29 19:00
Merlin! LTNS.

How are you doing?
 
 
+8 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-03-01 11:35
Yes! I am sick of the constant war. We can't afford it and neither can the rest of the world we keep bombing. Make Levees, Houses and affordable healthcare instead of War!
 
 
+41 # thekidde 2016-02-29 14:27
Can't wait to see Hill and Bill in uniform carrying assault weapons as they put themselves in harm's way for their country...oh, wait....
 
 
+58 # danireland46 2016-02-29 14:31
HRC, never saw a war she didn't like. Made a mess out of Libya while Sec. of State - now she wants to double down??? look at this woman, she's not presidential. Spend on infrastructure, not the MIC!
 
 
+40 # tedrey 2016-02-29 14:33
Get the word out to anyone in the military or government who might still have a conscience . . . if there's another killing fields shaping up in our name, leak, whistleblow, give the American people a chance to say NO before it's too late!
 
 
+6 # lorenbliss 2016-02-29 22:25
The real danger here is not only a new war but how Hillary will use it to suppress dissent -- including quite probably slandering the Sanders candidacy as "aid and comfort to the enemy."

As to how this might be facilitated, consider 9/11 as the U.S. version of the Reichstag Fire, then think of the impact of another 9/11-type event.

In which context also reflect on the probability what the Democrats are really doing by nominating Hillary -- this given the fact both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of the One Percent -- is helping usher in overt fascism in the person of Trump, the newest incarnation of der Fuehrer.
 
 
-3 # Caliban 2016-03-02 01:05
I haven't seen any evidence that Clinton and Trump are collaborating to turn the US into the new Nazi Germany. If you have facts to support such an accusation, please state them clearly.
 
 
+37 # jdd 2016-02-29 14:41
The blockbuster NYT article, running more than three entire pages, confirms that Hillary dragged the US into the Libyan war to avoid a perception of weakness and that the resulting bombing campaign turned a modernizing nation into a tragic failed state and a terrorist haven. The Times has given Bernie a gift opportunity. Rather than simply repeating her record on the vote for the Iraq invasion, he can now impune her so-called "experience" as Sec. of State by showing her to be a continuing and incurable warmonger, with callous disregard for human life or "unintended consequences." Will he take advantage, or simply punt, as with the Goldman Sachs transcripts?
 
 
+3 # Hey There 2016-02-29 15:47
The Goldman Sacks leaked transcript was filed under SATIRE.It does look like what she's really thinking.
Read it again and enjoy
 
 
-6 # dquandle 2016-02-29 18:05
He'll punt. His record on support for imperial wars has been almost as bad as hers.
 
 
+29 # Anne Frank 2016-02-29 14:43
She is not satisfied that she turned the most prosperous nation in Africa into a bucket of blood! Her appetite for murder is insatiable.
 
 
+37 # grandlakeguy 2016-02-29 14:50
Why would anyone expect anything different from Hillary the Hawk? She supported Bush's criminal war on the innocent Iraqi populace while millions worldwide were marching in the streets against the impending attack. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders rejected the Bush/Cheney lies and delivered an impassioned speech on the Senate floor against the worst foreign policy debacle in our country's history!
Hillary Clinton will always overcompensate for being a woman
by trying to be tougher than any man out there in foreign policy and military matters.
She is more dangerous than John McCain!
 
 
+16 # jsluka 2016-02-29 15:45
And yet it appears that Hillary WILL be the Democratic presidential candidate. Why do so many people on the left who think of themselves as liberal and progressive - including,unfor tunately, many black and Latino Americans - support Hillary and the status quo? I'm boggled.
 
 
+13 # economagic 2016-02-29 16:19
Don't send your Bernie shirt and mug to the Salvation Army quite yet.
 
 
+14 # angryspittle 2016-02-29 15:37
Send Chelsea to the front lines.......... bitch.
 
 
+10 # jcdav 2016-02-29 15:47
Yes, let THEM put some skin in the game. I'll go again when the chickenhawks and their kin are walking point.
 
 
+5 # dquandle 2016-02-29 18:02
yup!
 
 
-14 # Robbee 2016-02-29 15:39
says - # danireland46 2016-02-29 14:31 HRC never saw a war she didn't like...

unlike rump, crud and rabidio - hill and bernie endorse obama's treaty with iran

GOP candidates all prefer to bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb, iran, back to the stone age!

dan, you are unable to draw rational distinctions between parties, candidates or warmongers = you lack judgment - so i'm not supporting your bid for comment of the year!

- go bernie!
 
 
+2 # warrior woman 2016-02-29 19:14
Of the candidates, she's the only one with experience in war.
 
 
+10 # reiverpacific 2016-02-29 19:58
Quoting warrior woman:
Of the candidates, she's the only one with experience in war.


Aye -some of which she was the causative element.
So do YOU think the US of Armaments should continue to invade nations in which it's no welcome, thereby making more increasingly fanatical, dedicated enemies?
And do YOU believe in "American exceptionalism"?
Then go ahead a vote for she who represents this self-perpetuati ng war machine!
 
 
+17 # wrknight 2016-02-29 15:46
 
 
+14 # REDPILLED 2016-02-29 15:48
 
 
+8 # Salimlone 2016-02-29 15:49
Steev Weisman undercuts his entire argument with his astounding assertion that the US did not intervene in Syria! It has been arming rebels to overthrow the Assad regime, has prolonged the butchery by insisting it cannot end until Assad departs, and in addition has been bombing ISIS in Syria. Surely Steve knows all that???
 
 
+9 # Clovis 2016-02-29 15:58
I think you misinterpret Weissman's language and irony. He means "intervene" literally, as in "boots on the ground." His implication is that even in proxy wars, Murca still screws things up royally. Of course he knows "we" have intervened.
 
 
+14 # diamondmarge7 2016-02-29 15:52
Hillary Clinton is a MENACE to the civilized world; she ruined Libya, voted for the Iraq War, ruined Hait & Honduras, tried to ruin Ukraine--for all our sakes, ELECT BERNIE SANDERS. I am so sorry, dear BERNERS, that there are so many uninformed Africa Americans here in SC--that THINK HRC is their friend. She's nobody's friend-IMHO she'
s a pathological liar and warmonger. FEEL THE BERN. Please go to www.citizensagainstplutocracy.org and take the pledge: BERNIE or Green. Give our BERNIE leverage @ the July convention!
 
 
+9 # Clovis 2016-02-29 15:59
Good piece from Steve. Killary needs to bite the dust. This sh*t's gotta stop.
 
 
+7 # PABLO DIABLO 2016-02-29 16:09
Gotta keep the war machine well fed so they can continue to buy politicians who vote for war, i.e. Hillary Clinton.
 
 
+10 # Radscal 2016-02-29 16:21
One of the interesting tidbits from HRC's emails is she was coordinating with France in February, 2011 to CAUSE the protests that were sold to us as the "Arab Spring" in Libya.

It's also clear they and we were supplying weapons and training to these "protesters" from day one. JUST like Syria.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/libya-gadhafi-french-spies-rebels-support.html#
 
 
+12 # dquandle 2016-02-29 17:58
This is, of course, why she wants to hide the emails form the American public, and why she kept them on a private server to begin with, so she would not have to answer for the deaths and atrocities, and the danger that she put the American people in, which her policies initiated
 
 
+14 # economagic 2016-02-29 16:29
 
 
+16 # Shades of gray matter 2016-02-29 16:57
So far the Clinton emails seem not to reveal her real motives in Libya & Syria. Perhaps we should start with why were the whacky French trying to depose a leader who was HELPING US fight terror? I don't believe the crap about Hillary wanting to save lives. MANY thousands have been murdered since her fake humanitarian intervention. The French & British were ready go it alone, for nefarious reasons, unstated, and the Sec argued that we should jump to the head of that parade. WHY? Gaddafi was displacing French influence in W.Africa. Too bad. Hillary always wanted to run as a WARTIME SECRTARY. She touts her military acievements over her diplomatic ones. Blind ambition. Obama enabled her.
 
 
+12 # Dale 2016-02-29 17:23
 
 
+10 # dquandle 2016-02-29 17:55
Hillary initiated the growth of ISIS in Libya. ISIS would not be there if it were not for her and the policies pushed by her vicious State Department. She is a war criminal and a stunningly stupid war criminal, at that.
 
 
+13 # angelfish 2016-02-29 17:43
Anyone who votes for Hillary must accept the fact that their eligible sons and daughters WILL be used as Cannon Fodder. Give me a Peace-Maker over a War Monger ANY day of the Week! Bernie is more interested in rebuilding this Country and HELPING the people than sending them to disabling injury and death in Libya! I'll stand with Bernie!
 
 
-11 # Robbee 2016-02-29 17:47
 
 
-11 # Robbee 2016-02-29 18:00
whistling in the dark! says - # REDPILLED 2016-02-29 15:48 "There is also Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party candidate, whose platform is even more progressive and sensible than Sanders, but who has no chance at even being allowed into the debates, let alone in the election."

milk producers are gonna hate # REDPILLED!

- stein is a 3rd-party candidate for national office, like nader in 2000 - the only thing a green candidate can accomplish in federal elections is to siphon progressive votes from the dem candidate!

didn't stein run in 2012? how did that work out for greens? greens are like a guy who goes to the frig, takes out the milk, opens the top, smells it's yeck!, spoiled, puts it back, and every four years takes it out again, just to see if it's fresh!

the irony is that stein is a competent candidate - like bernie, she should run for office as mayor, do a good job, run for office as senator or governor, as bernie proved a 3rd party candidate can win, and then and only then, run for prez as a dem! - before she prances around spoiling dem prez candidacies!

the greens' mission is to ruin dem candidacies because they maintain that there is ABSOLUTELY no difference between dems and zomblicans, which only shows inability to judge, lack of critical thought - when you believe in things that you don't understand, you're gonna suffer! - stevie wonder

greens haven't pulled a nader yet, but they won't quit trying! - go bernie! - and, in the general election, go dem!
 
 
-4 # pbbrodie 2016-03-01 10:53
What is with the thumbs down!!!
Robbee, please keep posting these!
 
 
+14 # Archie1954 2016-02-29 19:07
She has proven time and time again that she is a warmonger. She is the female version of Cheney!
 
 
+12 # Billy Bob 2016-02-29 19:16
THIS is the article where we should be hearing from the Hillary-bots. They're so busy worrying about the horse-race they can't be bothered with any details about what the candidates actually stand for.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2016-03-01 20:21
Quoting Billy Bob:
THIS is the article where we should be hearing from the Hillary-bots. They're so busy worrying about the horse-race they can't be bothered with any details about what the candidates actually stand for.


Way to CALL 'em ! Well observed. The Hillary Trollsters are not here,
of course, because there is *NO* way to defend THIS stuff.

Beyond that, however, they are not PAID to raid the policy pages. They are ONLY paid to sow fear, panic, hate and discontent relative TO the horse race.

Their job is to discourage Sanders supporters EARLY ON, and to get them to support the PRECISE sh*t we see above, but hopefully (on the part of the Trolls) without having the *SLIGHTEST* idea of what we ARE underwriting and personally approving with a vote for Clinton.
 
 
-2 # lewagner 2016-02-29 20:03
Which country are these Middle Eastern wars for the benefit OF?
Are "Bernie" or Trump or ANY of the approved candidates likely to risk offending that country by actually voting to stop funding that country and the wars for its benefit?
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2016-02-29 23:19
Not "which country".

Which "INDUSTRY".

hint: oil
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2016-02-29 23:35
Israel
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2016-02-29 23:46
Israel only gets to play the "stability" card because the oil industry wants a non-Arab nation there as a virtual military base.
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2016-03-01 12:44
Israel is world's #1 arms conduit for US, Canada & NATO manufactured weapons, munitions & security systems to Africa & Middle-east. Israeli oligarch-run corporations & government don't care who they're arming, can-&-do-arm voraciously their very enemies & war-criminals, simply to create hell. When you're arming all your enemies, its easy to provide them dated-technolog y & limited supply. Its called making-a-killin g. 60% of Israel's export economy is based in war-trade.

Greater-Israel's Oded-Yinon-Plan & its US daughters Project-for-a-N ew-American-Cen tury PNAC & New-World-Order NWO are based in massive destabilization through arming foreign mercenaries religious madmen in conjunction with key oligarch-servan ts such as Hillary documented in French media & Hillary's emails. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/libya-gadhafi-french-spies-rebels-support.html#

While it takes all 7 billion of us contributing, in diverse ways to create the world economy, western colonial nations such as US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, NATO & Israel are willing to take the gifts of others, when western main contribution to world economy is hidden ownership, command, control & war.

Westerners are raised in glorification of 'colonial-settl er', our highest ideal, yet we're unable to openly or publicly dialogue through issues in debate or to employ nature's livelihood gifts. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2016-03-02 01:07
Quoting Douglas Jack:
Israel is world's #1 arms conduit for US, Canada & NATO manufactured weapons, munitions & security systems to Africa & Middle-east. Israeli oligarch-run corporations & government don't care who they're arming, can-&-do-arm voraciously their very enemies & war-criminals, simply to create hell....



Damn ! Absolutely the *BEST* post I have seen all week.

KUDOS - Multiple KUDOS, Douglas Jack, thank you for such a highly informative, impeccably analyzed, and deeply well-thought-th rough contribution.
 
 
+8 # Nominae 2016-03-01 06:24
@ lfeuille

@ Billy Bob

Boldly Stated, both.

Unassailably accurate, both.
 
 
+4 # Salus Populi 2016-03-01 13:25
"Lesser of two evils" strategizing *always* leads to greater and greater evil.

We've been fed the same tired line since 1968, when Humphrey, who supported LBJ's serial escalations of the Vietnam-Southea st Asia War Crime right up until a couple of weeks before the election, and who didn't even enter the primaries lest the unpopularity of the war lead to his defeat wherever he contested the peace candidates, presided over the Chicago police riots.

Ever since, we have been given ever-more reactionary and bloodthirsty candidates from both parties, with the exception of George McGovern, who was abandoned by the national party and the corrupt union leadership for being too pacifistic, and then blamed for losing to Nixon, whose dirty tricks were only exposed to get rid of detente.

It is true that the Rethuglicans have always led the way toward genocidal imperialism abroad and police-state fascism at home, but it is also true that the DemocRats have been panting in their wake every election -- and insisting, like Margaret Thatcher did for the UK, that progressives and genuine liberals have no choice but to go along lest the Evil Republicans nominate a Scalia to the Court. Which, you may or may not recall, resulted in every Senate Democrat voting in support of him, as well as of Anthony Kennedy, presented for approval in the last year of Reagan's presidency.

Well, without taking any pledge in re Bernie, I am not about to vote for a blood-dripping war hog. Sorry.
 
 
-3 # Robbee 2016-03-01 16:33
 
 
+2 # Salus Populi 2016-03-01 23:35
Bernie is certainly entitled to his opinion of Hillary, but that doesn't require me to share it.

Some of the same people who now call for unconditionally supporting whomever the Democrats nominate called, likewise, for unconditional support for Obama [or, earlier in the season, for Hillary] in 2008. Those who bothered to research, or who had more than a nodding acquaintance with the history of the last few decades, and thus were less enthusiastic about "change," were pilloried then as now for being purists and the like.

As Noam Chomsky, who incidentally supports electing Democrats on the at least arguable point that minor differences between the parties may, given the immense power of the USan empire, lead to major differences in the lives of those outside our borders, has said, every one of the post war presidents since Nuremberg would, if we as Justice Robert Jackson pledged held ourselves to the standards we invoked in hanging the Nazi high command, have been hanged for crimes against humanity.

I'm afraid that any minor differences that still existed during the Reagan-Bush years have, with the Clintons and Obama, faded to insignificance. Hillary is a warmonger and a neo-con, and has never expressed any regret for the horror show she insisted on inflicting on Libya.

Sanders is also not free of the tentacles of the Zionist state, but at least he is not looking for places to change regimes in, and favoring military action to effect those overthrows.
 

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.

RSNRSN