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Pierce writes: "We put a terrorist on trial in New York - And not just any terrorist, either. Dead Osama bin Laden's living son-in-law! - and we convicted him and nobody sent fleets of jihadi bat-missiles into Manhattan."

Lindsey Graham speaks during a press conference last March about the reported arrest of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, who was convicted Wednesday in federal court in Manhattan. (photo: Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images)
Lindsey Graham speaks during a press conference last March about the reported arrest of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, who was convicted Wednesday in federal court in Manhattan. (photo: Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images)


Lindsey Graham Pines for the Bush Days of Torture

By Charles Pierce, Esquire

29 March 14

 

ey, what do you know? We put a terrorist on trial in New York -- And not just any terrorist, either. Dead Osama bin Laden's living son-in-law! -- and we convicted him and nobody sent fleets of jihadi bat-missiles into Manhattan armed with nuclear weapons and frickin' laser beams on their heads. So, scoreboard, right?

Ummm, no.

One critic of Mr. Holder's decision to prosecute Mr. Abu Ghaith in federal court, Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, said after the verdict that the defendant should have been held as an enemy combatant and interrogated for intelligence gathering purposes. On Thursday, Mr. Graham said in a telephone interview, "I applaud the judge and the jury; they did their job," but added, "We're not fighting a crime here; we're fighting a war." "This guy is so connected to the organization," he said. "He was a treasure trove of potential information, and we blew it."...After being advised of his rights and waiving them, he answered questions for hours. An F.B.I. summary of the interrogation runs 21 pages. Mr. Abu Ghaith described his time in Afghanistan, his interactions with Bin Laden, his imprisonment in Iran and other topics. But Mr. Graham said, "It should have been a 200-page statement, taken over weeks or months." He added, "We lost an opportunity here with this guy."

I may simply be dense, but it sure seems to me that Huckleberry J. Butchmeup is pining for thumbscrews here, and waxing nostalgic over black sites and packing crates at Bagram. He was first to the fainting couch when the possibility of trying Khalid Sheikh Muhammad in New York City was raised, and worked to make that trial impossible, because of his fear of jihadi bat-missiles and KSM's well-known hypnotic powers which would be used to Muslimize everyone in the tri-state area. And we have now passed into the period in which many of the criminals of the late Avignon Presidency are being more open about the pride they take in their history of governmental sociopathy.

If I would have to do it all over again, I would," Cheney said. "The results speak for themselves." Many consider the use of waterboarding to be torture, with many people calling the former Vice President a war criminal for his endorsement of the technique, but Cheney disagrees. "Some people called it torture. It wasn't torture," Cheney told AU's television station ATV.

Waterboard the sick sonuvabitch and see what he thinks then.

And here comes another accessory before the fact...

ERROL MORRIS: What about all these so-called torture memos?

DONALD RUMSFELD: Well, there were what? One or two or three. I don't know the number, but there were not all of these so-called memos. They were mischaracterized as torture memos, and they came not out of the Bush administration, per se; they came out of the U.S. Department of Justice, blessed by the attorney general, the senior legal official of the United States of America, having been nominated by a president and confirmed by the United States Senate overwhelmingly. Little different cast I just put on it than the one you did. I'll chalk that one up.

You don't go to war with the psycho you want, you go to war with the psycho you have.

(Also, and not for nothing, Condi Rice, the worst National Security Advisor ever, is out beating the war drums again. Talk about getting the band back together.)

And all of this fond nostalgia for the good old days of war crimes is taking place against the backdrop of the fight between the Senate and the CIA about the release of the report on the Agency's involvement in torturing people. This is what happens when the country is morally unmoored from its conscience by people with none of their own. This is what torture does to a democracy. It inevitably, and permanently, corrupts everything it touches.

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+78 # Barbara K 2014-03-29 09:27
This bunch of warmongers belongs in prison, not on Television or radio making speeches or giving advice about anything. This is scum at its worst.

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+60 # Sunflower 2014-03-29 09:54
This is why Obama should have prosecuted the whole lot of them. Instead he joined
them...
 
 
+13 # Barbara K 2014-03-29 13:58
Actually, it would have had to start in the House, and well, you know how the House is now.

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+52 # reiverpacific 2014-03-29 10:40
If you really want something to grind yer teeth on, check out Condosleazy Rice strutting about at the upcoming Masters Golf Tournament in Augusta Georgia, the first of two women to be admitted into that elite, all-male good ol' boys club as her reward for being the "worst National Security Advisor ever", instead of shoveling shit in Abu Grahib with the rest of the Dimwits' club of cold - hearted cowards who never served a day in action themselves but sent so many youth as cannon-fodder to slaughter, suicide or madness, especially Mr "Seven deferments" (from Vietnam -another needless war) Cheney, on whom I'd actually PAY to see Jesse Ventura carry out -preferably in public, his promise, "You Give Me A Water Board, Dick Cheney And One Hour, And I'll Have Him Confess To The Sharon Tate Murders" having been subjected to this procedure during his own SEAL training.
And you can add that social-climbing , born again Catholic Holy-Rolling hypocrite Tony Blair to the pile of human detritus.
I'm not hateful or vengeful normally but as the late Gore Vidal once said to Amy Goodman, "I'm against the Death penalty but not for this crowd"! What better grand finale to it's abolition than by trotting these ghouls out to mount the gallows Nuremberg-style , shitting themselves and howling with fear as they are strung up -and invite a selection of relatives and friends of the thousands who perished for their lying connivance as witnesses!
I know, I know -dream on but sometimes it helps.
 
 
+29 # AndreM5 2014-03-29 10:42
Pierce is right. The W Brand tools of war are appearing on their usual friendly propaganda channels to pre-empt the release of embarrassing and potentially criminal details in the CIA report. Spin, spin, spin.
 
 
+16 # PABLO DIABLO 2014-03-29 11:26
Barak Obama is just another "corporate hack" serving the military /industry complex. We shouldn't be surprised, it's been going on for A LONG TIME. How many times has an illegal government operation been told to stop, but somehow it keeps getting worse. We need to know who is behind this. I'm sure they really spy mostly for corporate interests. We (the people) need to take back "our" government. First and foremost, we need to get the "neocons" out of government. Second,
"splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds." --- John Kennedy
Guess why that didn't happen? How long are we going to tolerate their mistakes? Oh, and lies. The CIA is beyond "out of control". Evidently they are running/ruining our government. George Tenet should be held accountable for allowing 9/11 to happen. He saw Zacarias Maussaoui's computer with the plan in July 2001
 
 
+15 # mozartssister 2014-03-29 14:21
Just to set the record straight, there are hundreds of documents, and many dozens of memos; many of them were secret, some are still redacted. I wrote my dissertation on the first 39 key documents identified by Torturing Democracy and the National Archives, and found a wealth of textual evidence--what a shock--for the authoritarian mindset that continues carrying on with this bullshit.

These are slimy, sleazy, murdering scumbags to the last man and woman, also looking at you, Colin Powell. Seeing them in the Hague would have been a fine measure of justice. But actual justice has never been our history, and I doubt it ever will be.

Here, a bit of actual evidence:
http://www.torturingdemocracy.org/
 
 
+8 # wrknight 2014-03-29 14:52
What's really sad is that Obama's poor performance is enabling these morons to come back.
 
 
+9 # jsluka 2014-03-29 15:35
Quoting wrknight:
What's really sad is that Obama's poor performance is enabling these morons to come back.

The truth of your point hurts so many so much, that too many are still in denial about this.
 
 
0 # harleysch 2014-03-31 10:21
It"s even worst than you say. The Obama administration is covering up the Cheney torture docs, while unleashing the CIA on the investigators on Sen. Feinstein's subcommittee. Why is Obama covering up for Dirty Dick?
 
 
+12 # walt 2014-03-29 15:40
Graham and cohort McCain are a pair of war hawks who need to be ignored. There aren't any wars they don't like and want to get the USA into.

McCain was apart of the most failed war in US history and ought to know better, yet he rattles sabers at every opportunity. Graham is a USAF Reserve warrior lawyer who also loves the chance to scream that war and attacks are needed, not peaceful, rational solutions.

Someone needs to give Graham a weapon and send him off to some real combat. Nah, forget that. He'd probably shoot himself in the foot as he has so often done in the Senate!
 
 
+3 # thehodges1 2014-03-29 22:39
Mr. Regan gave a wonderful performance and the USA and the state of California are still suffering from that great performance Obama is not a King or Dictator and he cannot move without a Congress that want this country survive but they are too rich and lazy and they knew that if the next president was a Repub
 
 
+4 # thehodges1 2014-03-29 22:41
the party could not survive
 
 
+9 # Blackjack 2014-03-29 23:55
The Good Mr. Graham is one of my senators (the other one is actually worse!) and though he has a war chest in excess of $7M, he now has 5 other contenders in the primary race. Because they're Repukes, who don't mind eating their young, one of them may finally expose his closet secret. He hitched his star to Sen. McCain years ago. Like Scalia is Thomas' brain (what there is of it), McCain is Lindsey's and they just love to rattle sabers. Graham hasn't had a real Dem opponent since Alex Sanders, but just yesterday one appeared on the ballot--SC Sen. Brad Hutto. I'm holding out hope that this jerk may finally be sent packing!
 
 
0 # barbaratodish 2014-04-01 22:18
Maybe we all should consume less salt(optional salt that is- most food has salt already). Maybe then we would NEED to drink less fluids, so if any of us ever do get water boarded there may be less sense of our own water "drowning" us! If I ever get water boarded I would (try, at least to ) say "You may think you are waterboarding me, but you are really water boarding yourself!" Or maybe I would say something like: At least there IS a me TO torture, because instead of DOING the torture, the torture is DOING YOU!" What is the difference after all, though, of being tortured and what we call "living" in the so called "SOCIAL " ha! CONTRACT HAHA! (Some "CONTRACT"). We are ALL being tortured, or we torture ourselves! It's just a matter of degree! The only anti("e" and uncle lol ) dote may be subjecting the torture gouls,etc., to what torturers and tortured selves are more afraid of than even death: HUMOR!
 

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